September 30, 2025 • 37 mins
The guys discuss the wild weekend of college football and talk about which players stood out in the biggest games.
:00 - Ohio State vs Washington
9:42 - LSU vs Ole Miss
17:22 - Alabama vs Georgia
25:25 - Oregon vs Penn State
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's now officially open.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to an episode of the Draft Season. I am
John Schmelk. Thank you so much for being with us.
So I record an episode with Tony Pauline and Dave
Sivertson from our Lads dot Com. We went around an
hour and fifteen minutes, so that's too long for one
episode to be quite frank with you, so we've decided
to split into two parts.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The first part is what you're gonna hear today.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's talking about the great weekend of college football that
happened on September twenty eighth and a couple of days
before that.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And then the second half of.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
The show we talked about ranking the best position groups
in the draft. We won another forty minutes or so
on that. So that's gonna air in a week or two,
depending on when we want to air it. So that's
the two episodes we're gonna lead off again. Draft Season
is brought to you by Moodis, a prat sponsored the
New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We're gonna talk about this week's games. There are so
many good ones.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Again, we go like thirty forty minute that'll be these
week's episode, and then you stay tuned either next week
when the Giants played the Eagles of the week after
that will air the other episode talking about and ranking
the top position groups in this year's draft. So here's
part one of our conversation Tony Pauline and Dave Sivertson.
Welcome to another edition of Draft Season, presented by Moody's,
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a proud sponsor of the New York Football Giants. I
am John Schmelk. Tony Pauline is always some sports keeter
with us, and we welcome in a guest this week,
second straight week Dave Sivertson. He covers the draft and
does the Hour Lads Draft Guide.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Dave, Welcome, How are you man?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Ray, guys really really pumped to see you guys do
some of the best work out there with the draft coverage.
I'm so glad to see you guys are starting out
this early because it really is it's a twelve month process.
It does not sleep. A lot of people play catch
up in January, and it's kudos to you guys for
putting that out there now for these people to watch.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, for first year, Tony, I think we started in
like November, right something like that, and then we decided,
you know, what. There's enough content every week to kind
of track it. You do show and it really because
the the draft analysis process is really like a journey,
right Tony, where you see where the guy is, where
he starts, and how the season goes.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And I think it's good to track it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And it gives you a much better feel for these
guys when you get to, you know, the All Star
games in January.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
They only I disagree with you use the word season.
I use seasons because I usually have the years of
notes on the guys, just just track them throughout their
college career. One of those players we're going to talk about,
but you know, I gotta pass on a funny story.
Our Lads was actually the first draft publication that I
bought in my life in the mid to late eighties
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when they Hepplers used to run the used to run
the guy. I absolutely enjoyed it, and to this day
I still use the Our Lads depth charts when I'm
watching film. I have my tablet. I don't have an
ipaty Samsung. I got my tablet from me with the
depth chart for Buffalo or Cincinnati or you know whoever,
and you know, the guys I'm watching I'm under the
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guys want to maybe keep an eye on they got
exes next to them, the guys who are none of
my database getting checked. So it's been ongoing process and
our ledge has been a large part of it for
as far as I'm as far as my journeys concerned.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
How do you track all those depth charts? Si?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean to me, I can't imagine the amount of
work that goes into that, especially for some of these
smaller programs that As someone that called FCS games on
on on TV for a while, I know sometimes the
media sites and the notes don't exactly give you the
most accurate depth charts.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So how do you How do you guys get those
things straight?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's really impressive.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, I was sort of said, I mean they're they're
forty forty five years old now, and it just it
takes a team, and we have some some really smart
techy guys in the background helping us out create some data.
But it really does. I'll tell you what. It comes
down to fans sometimes reaching out to us saying like hey,
this guy is actually the second string left tackle and
this guy is the third string right guard. I mean,
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we get it right, I would say ninety five percent
of the time. Uh, but we actually have really crowdsource
a lot of the information. We cross check everything we do,
and we have a great team of guys that we
know our roles and we it's it's twenty four seven,
three sixty five, but it's if there were twenty five
hours in the day, we would put twenty five hours
into it this time of year.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
All right, No, that's sure because I know with the
late transfer portal, I missed out a couple of guys.
Hey he's not on Maryland anymore, he's not on Arborn.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So they'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh yeah, oh they will absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, guys, just an unbelievable weeknd of college football.
Week one was great this year, but this one probably
topped it. A lot of great games. When we gets
to a lot of them, and then our second half
of the episode today, folks will be ranking the quality
of the position groups, so we're not too and we'll
mention some players in the groups obviously, but what position
groups the best, and then go down from best to
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maybe the one that we think has some players that
still has to prove themselves in it. So that's what
we're gonna do on today's episode, But let's start it off,
guys with Ohio State and Washington Tony. This was game
we talked about with Dame Brugler last week. Ohio State
really handles Washington twenty four to six. And I know
you have one offensive player on your list you want
to get to, but to me, this was really about
the Ohio State defense and especially their defensive front. You
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had a bunch of sacks, Kaden Curry, Kayden McDonald, Kenyatta Jackson.
They all played well who'd you like in this game
for Ohio State?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And it didn't start off like that because if you
watch the game, the Washington offensive line actually moved the
ball for the first quarter and a half. They just
couldn't convert. But I mean you watched CJ. Donaldson, the
transfer from West Virginia who came into the season with
late round bridge. I mean, that guy's a hammer. He's
not Quinn Shawn Jenkins. But if you're looking for a
late round, short yardage ball carrier that can pick it
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up on third and two or in goal line situations,
will also show himself to be a decent receiver out
of the backfield. I think he's established or is establishing
himself well at Ohio State. And then you mentioned those
three defensive linemen. I think we're seeing the coming of
age of those guys, especially the two underclassmen Kenyatta Jackson
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and Kayden McDonald. These are guys who really didn't get
a lot of playing time last year because that Ohio
State defensive line was so talented, and they're now all
on NFL rosters. These guys are getting there, getting their
playing time, and you're seeing them elevate their game. Cayden Curry,
he's the Jack Sawyer type, if you will, had a
great game against Washington. These guys are gonna be fun
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to track. Kenyana Jackson, I think a lot of people
knew about coming into the season. We talked about him
in August. But these other guys, as they're getting more
and more playing time after being substitutes and rotational guys
last year, are really starting to seat their own level
and gain the notice of scouts.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Sy what what jumped out to you in this game?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You can kind of double up on Tony's guys or
if anyone else you want to touch on as well.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, well, I like how Tony he noted the receiving
skill set, natural pass catching of CJ. Donaldson six two
thirty two. He was a high school tight end. He
didn't make the transition full time running back until he
was at West Virginia and he was the number two
guy there a couple years in a row. Did not
fumble twenty three, twenty twenty sorry, twenty twenty three to
twenty twenty four until the very last game the Bowl
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game last year. Put it on the ground twice. Big
power guy. He doesn't do a lot after contact for
a guy with this build and lack of agility, So
I wonder if he could be anything more than a
late day three pick. But he's a guy that you feel.
I think there's an intriguing upside to him because of
that tight end background that has translated to his tape
so far in college. And I mean he hit the
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nail on the head of the defensive line. Kennetta Jackson
to me six five, two sixty five. Defensive line coaches,
you'll you call it right now. When those guys get
involved in the scouting process after the season, they're going
to start drooling over him. He's got tools for days,
he's he's long, he's strong, he's thick, he can bend,
just has not really developed the wide arsenal pass rush moves.
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But at the very least he can play with that
high floor. He's of the power. But the guy I
am intrigued with the most it is Kadi McDonald six
three three twenty six. Larry Johnson, best defensive line coach
in college football right now. He's recently put in tidek Williams,
Ty Hamilton, Davon Hamilton, Mike Halt into the NFL. This
guy will be next. I don't know if he'll come
out this year, but if the Washington game is an
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indicator that you see a six three to three twenty
six guy that can penetrate and change direction in a
defensive tackle class right now, that is a little little uneven.
Even the top guys have not played well this year.
He could probably bring something to the table and then say, hey,
I might be the top de tackle the nation right now.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
All right, I want to show some love for one
player on Washington and this is someone Tony that we
talked about last week heading into the game.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Jonah Coleman. They're a nice job in this game.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Man thirteen carries seventy yards Obviously, this game was tighter
than maybe the final score might have indicated.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It was just fourteen to six through three quarters.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Washington was able to stick with the run game, and
I thought, Jonah Coleman and you just mentioned how good
this Ohiose defensive front. Look, tony thirteen carries seventy yards.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But if you look early in that game, I thought
the Washington offensive line actually played well. That that was
the thirty four yards runn he had. There was some
beautiful blocking up front, the lane whage player. Yet Colman
played well. It's just that I think eventually the Ohio
State defensive line just overwhelmed the Washington offensive line, who
was playing well early in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Syving Coleman.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Jonan Coleman a lot twitchier than I thought. I did
watch his tape coming into this year, and it did
seem like he was a little sluggish with some of
his lateral movement. That was not the case early in
this game. I mean, he gets his feet off the
ground and I'll tell you what he can get drafted
for his pass protection alone. I mean, this is a
complete back. He's very physical. Nine twenty eight. We're skiing
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it right, now with Kim Scataboo that that build, it
translates to the next level. These guys are just hard
to get to the ground, They're hard to square up,
and he brings that mentality that you need with that
build as well.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So obviously the next game we're going to touch on here, guys.
LSU Ole Miss obviously a big topic of discussion the
Giants locker room this week. I'm sure between Jackson Dart
and the Leak Neighbors, two guys that obviously from rival
programs that played each other in college and obviously terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What happened the Bleak Neighbors this week. It's awful, just sucks.
But Ole Miss.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I ran to Jackson Dort in the cafeteria this morning.
I asked him, Hey, Jackson, I know you're getting ready
for the game. You have a chance to watching Ole
Miss LSUS. Got this big smile, he goes, yeah, I
did so, Jackson Dart a pretty good week Ole Miss
beating LSU twenty four to nineteen in that game. But Tony,
you want to start out with the LSU quarterback Garren
nuss Meyer, who I know some people have as a
number one quarterback. I'm not sure he's played to that
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so far this year. I'm a fan of his two.
What do you think enough in this game?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I think all the red flags about nus Meyer you
saw on Saturday. He doesn't have the great arm, he
doesn't have the great physical skills. Sometimes he's off the market.
He has receivers adjusting to eric Ros or leaving their feet.
He throws the ball into double or triple coverage at times,
as you saw consistently on Saturday. I mean there was
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one instance where early in the third quarter where it
looked like LSU was going to get back in the game.
The intercept the past, they bring it down to old
missus thirty one yard line. Nus s Meyer couldn't convert.
So you know, there's a lot of love out there
for nus Meyer outside the scouting community, in the Twitter
draft world. I just think that all the red flans
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onnus Myer we saw on Saturday, and it's a major concern.
He tries to throw himself out of trouble times, but
he doesn't have the arm string to throw himself out
of trouble. And that's going to be I think the
talking point, as you know Si said, I talked about
how many people get involved in the draft in January
when all the talking heads get involved, you know, does
Nusmeyer have the arm string? Does he have the physical
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skills to be started to be an early pick in
the first round come April.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I mean, I'm a huge was a huge nuts Meyer
fan heading into the year. I did think that if
he came out last season, he could have been QB one.
That was my projection of him at this time last year,
at the end of the twenty twenty four seas. But
even I he's been terrible this year in relation to
that projection. He's not been that guy. In my scouting nose.
Coming into the season, I said, hey, you got you
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got to get rid of the what are you doing
moments like these, these head scratching moves, these you know,
eye opening bad decisions. And that's exactly what happened at
Ole Miss. I mean Kelly, he comes out the sideline
and Kelly looks at me and goes, what are you doing?
With an extra explicity in there, and you know, for
a fifth year senior coach's son that knows the game
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like the back of his hand, these are red flags
because the mind game is where he can make up
for the lack of tools. He's not big, he's not
fast as armors average. But at the end of the day,
he's six and four against the SEC with twenty touchdowns
fifteen interceptions, and I mean I circle back to the
to the the interception in the third quarter. They're up
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by ten. It's third and twenty seven against Florida, and
he throws the ball as he's running out of bounds
into the middle of field and it ends up getting
picked off. Now, I saw cam Moore to make that
same exact throw against Duke lash Year, similar situation. But
sometimes these guys they need to understand game situation decisions.
We know he's smart, we know he knows the game
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and grow up around it. But when you're in the
heat of the moment, you have to take what the
defenses gives you and stop trying to force the ball
into windows that your arm cannot handle.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Tony inside, Tony, you go first inside, you can build
on it. Who else from this game jumped out of chick.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Well dickque we'rewide of Mississippi. I mean, he's six 'y three,
he's two hundred and forty five and fifty pounds. He
runs in the four to sixes. He's a terrific athlete
at the tight end position. Four receptions for sixty six yards.
I wish they would use him more in that Mississippi
offense of the lane Kiffin seems adverse at times they're
using the tight end. But this is a guy who
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has all the physical skills to play on Sunday. He
needs to polish his game. I don't know that he's
going to get that opportunity at Mississippi in this offense.
And I think what's going to happen is as we
get closer to the draft, people are going to start
to talk about his tools, start to talk about his
straights when the ball has drawn to him. The tape
is pretty good, but the opportunities just have not been there.
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He was good last year, He's shown the ability. He's
shown some improvement this year. He's more of a moved
tight end, a bad block in Atlants on the block
that much. He's had his fourtape, They get him out
in the space, have moved around. I use him as
a receiver at the tight end position. This guy's got
a lot of upside and it's what teams really are
looking for these days. In the NFL at that position.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Incredibly soft hands six four to two fifty five, and
like you said, that offense is not set up to
give him the opportunities on tape to project the NFL.
I mean, he hasn't had a contested target yet this year,
but when he does get the ball in his hand,
he is dangerous. You're not going to find many two
hundred and fifty pound tight ends that can move like him.
I mean, we're just a few weeks since the season.
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He's got catches of twenty six, thirty eight, fifty three
and sixty four yards already. The thirteen point The thirteen
point yards after catch per reception is second in the
nation wide receiver and tight end with guys over ten catches.
That list is three hundred and seventy five players d
He's second in the country behind Branch from Georgia in
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terms of what he's doing after the catch. Those big
chunk plays have kind of weighed that a little bit.
But you know, he's also six in the country in
that group with twenty three point three yards per catch.
As a tight end that's not two hundred and twenty pounds.
This guy's a legitimate tight end. And I did. I
watch a lot of his blocking tape and he's not
a difference maker there, but he stays on his man,
he moves his feet, and he tries hard. I mean
that that's where you just want to start. So that
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program they think he's going to be a first round pick,
I'm not there. But he is definitely qualified to be
labeled a starting caliber prospect, which to me is day two.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Put him on, you put him on. It seemed like
Missouri that uses the tight ends. Even Miami, it's probably
a different story.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you what. The other guy
from miss Mississippi that I liked is this linebacker soun
Reen Perkins. He's an edge defender in their scheme. But
it's funny, same last name, reminds me of Harold Perkins.
Just not big enough to play on the outside of
the next level. But all he does is produce. I mean,
he's been a rock solid player. He was all over
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the field. He plays fast, he plays stronger than his
side suggests. I think we're looking at six three, two thirty.
I've really highly tauted to recruit Alabama, wanted them, Lsu, Georgia,
organ all those teams were going hard after him. He
was thirteen All SEC last year, fourteen and a half
tackles for loss. He gets like Harold Perkins. He finishes
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when he gets near the action, he gets behind, he
can slitherer through blocks, He's great at locating the football
and he finishes. And I think there's a spot for
him somewhar at the next level as a Day two,
maybe early Day three prospect.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Dan Olmoss wins that game twenty four to nineteen and
by the way, he's not gonna get drafted, but give
the ole Miss quarterbacks some credit Division two trans for
a Fairris State right, If I remember correctly, Trinidad chamber
is twenty three to thirty nine, three hundred and fourteen
yards in a tight against a LSU defense, specifically a
secondary that has a lot of players in it. So
I just want to tim my cat to that guy
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did a really nice job.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Tony absolutely did. And there are some people in the
league that actually like him. I mean on Friday they said,
you know, and I small. You know, he's an R.
EO type quarterback and these smaller, shorter quarterbacks have not
worked out. But there were some people in the league
that actually like him. I found that out last week
Thursday and Friday talking to people. They said, watch out
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for this guy because he's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
All right, let's go to the next game, Alabama and Georgia.
Alabama wins that game twenty four to twenty one. Action
packed first half. Not a lot going on in the
second half of that game, Tony, you want to lead
off with Caden Proctor or someone that we've talked about
a lot here. You know in your notes, I'm a
little disappointed in you. I'm not gonna lie. You mentioned
great job picking up stunts and twists. No mention of
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the one run for eleven yards when he's running over
like four dudes on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Man, Come on, you know there.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Were three games on that and I saw I'm going
back and forth between three games. I do remember that
play that you talked about. But here's the thing is,
when we spoke about Caden Procter at the beginning of
the year, I said, I think he's a left tack
college left tackle who projects to the right side. After
watching him against Georgia, although the Georgia defense is not
what it's been, I'm not so sure. Maybe this guy
can play left tackle on Sunday. You know, he's bigger
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than I would prefer in the left tackle. He's got
great mass, but I love this fundamentals. But he did
a terrific job and pass protection really nobody got buying
stouted holds, the point of attack, controls his man. You
mentioned the ability to block in motion, picking up the
stunts and twists. I was just I liked Procter coming
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into the season, coming into the game. He just further
impressed me with his performance against Georgia.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
ZI, what do you think about Procter? Do you think
he's a top ten level pick.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
If he catapults from this performance against Georgia. I mean,
look at what he has coming up on his schedule, Missouri,
two NFL dns on that team, Tennessee, who has an
ascending edge defender, And Joseph said, I think we're all
going to be talking about as a first round prospect
South Carolina, who has a top ten kid from in
next year's group LSU than Oklahoma. I mean that that's
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five of the next six games he's going to be
facing off real NFL pass rushers, and if he can
use this performance and apply it to those games, there's
no question. In my mind, he's OT one in this class.
I did not have him as OT one coming into
the year. I'm a Spencer Fano guy from Utah. But
you can't argue against six to seven, three sixty with
that kind of movement trait. And I'll tell you what,
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The Evan Neil comparisons are inevitably going to come up,
whether you think they're fair or not. And Evan Neil
got a lot of attention for the Bruce Feldman Freak List,
one of my favorite reads of the year. But at
the end of the day, that list does not translate
to the NFL that well, because that's more structured, controlled
workouts and jumping on boxes without pads on that we
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get a little too excited about in summer when there's
no football. Proctor, he's an actual He's a better football athlete.
He stays square, he stays on his feet a little
bit better. There are some top heaviness clips to his tape.
But if Proctor plays at this level over the next
four to five weeks, signed sealed, deliver OT one next April.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the Neil stuff because you're right.
And the one thing I regret when I did my
evaluation of him, he never did any of the athletic
testing at the Combine or anything like that. He didn't
do any of the drills, but he was on the
freaks list, right, so you're like, oh, well, you don't
worry about him as an athlete, and now you've seen
some of that stuff kind of pop up and you're like, oh,
that's why he didn't want to do offensive line drills
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at the Combine.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Now I understand.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
So it just kind of funny because when we have Bluceveldnon,
I've asked him if he thinks that sometimes guys that
are on his freaks list prevent them from working out
before the draft. Who was the defensive tackle that the
Cowboys took out of Michigan?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And yeah, yeah, he run down.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
To a bus and if you remember, he was one
of the I think he was the top of Bruce's
list one year. And I said, Bruce, do you think
that these guys see what you write about him and
they don't work out before the draft because they're not
going to hit these numbers and it's going to be
a disappointment where he've written about well, you know, Bruce
Felman said he was supposed to run a six 't
eight to nine in the three cone and he ran
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a seven to one.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's not doing well. So it's an interesting dynamic there
as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
No, it is, it is, and you know, the expectations
with those workouts are always huge.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Tony.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
A couple of defensive players who want to touch on
in this game too, one for Georgia, one for Alabama.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I like lt Overton. He had that big play late
in the game. He's quick, he's explosive. As we talked
about lt Overton in Alabama, where is he going to
play at the next level? Six two sixty three two
hundred and seventy pounds. Is he a defensive end that
they use him as a three technique tackle. He's a
good defensive lineman who makes plays. And I don't know
that George is gonna have a first round pick this year,
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as they've had so many previous years. But if there's
one player that could sneak into the first round, I
think it's gonna be cj Al. I'm a linebacker, an
off the ball linebacker who can blitz Win asked, but
he's usually used in space. I know it's a bit
depreciated now in the NFL draft, but he's explosive. He
goes sideline to sideline, covers a lot of area on
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the field, just really starting to hit his stride as
he moves into the starting lineup on a full time basis.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
How about you sid Jeremy Bernard, the wide receiver from Alabama.
I try to avoid making myself put a pro comparison
on it. I let them come to me and if
it's there, it's there. If it's not, I don't make
one up. Chris Godwin's name comes to name every single
time I watched this kid play football again. Didn't have
a massive game, did have a touchdown, but the ability
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to be a big slot I think that's gonna be
his future of the next role because he's not the
most explosive downfield route runner on the outside, but his
route running his savinus. He's got a two percent drop
rate and the guy does not put the ball on
the ground, and he's actually showing a little bit more
juice after the catch than I thought he had using
prior your tape. And Isaiah Horton, a second year transfer,
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I believe from Miami. He had a big game from Alabama,
and that guy has He's the one that I think
could be a real vertical threat, more of a day
through type, Day three type prospect. But this wide receiver group,
overall the general draft classes, it's very unstable. At the
top the draft class itself very unstable. But I'm not
sure what to make of the wide receivers yet. But
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I'll tell you what, Jeremy Bernard, you can just pencil
him in for a top forty five pick next year
because I think he's that safe, reliable, big, physical six
one two ten catches everything makes some things happen after
the catch. I liked his game, and I liked what
he's done so far this season.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, And it's funny we talked about that last week side,
where at this time last year, you probably knew four
or five guys that were definitely gonna be top ten
picks this year.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Maybe you're a two, maybe something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So they just are not a ton of guys that
did you know are going to go in the top ten.
I want to ask you about one player in this game,
both of you guys. Jam Miller got his first act
running back this year for Alabama. Tony we haven't talked
about him at all. It's a pretty good running back class.
What are your thoughts on him?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Didn't have great numbers, but I think he settled that
Alabama offense down. I think with the Simpson the quarterback
there actually was able to take another step or really
improve his game after a couple of after a couple
tough weeks, because Miller's there. He's a tough interior runner.
He shows some ability to bounce with the outside. He's strong.
He also has the ability to create and make defenders miss.
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It wasn't a great stats game, but I think just
him being on the field for the first time this
season really helped settle that Alabama offense. Looking forward to
seeing what he can do moving forward. I have him
as a potential late Day two pick. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
How about you say your thoughts on Miller.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Just glad that he's back early in the year because
I want to see as close as we can to
a full season's worth of tape. He's your classic Alabama
running back, the ones that we just see every other year.
On average, thick lower body, can take a lot of contexts,
stay square to the line, protects the ball, at a
high level. Caught three passes his only three targets.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Of the day.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Also a nasty special teamer early in his career. I
think he was second or first on the team in
special teams tackles. And that's a really fast route to
kind of breaking a tie. In the pre draft process,
it's like, hey, I'm more than just a backup running back.
I don't project him as a starter. I'm thinking more
of an early Day three type. But again, he's alibet
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running back. It's very rare that an Alabama running back
with some status behind him does not, at least, you know,
give you a solid number two or number three row
at the NFL.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
All right, let's go to the game of the week guys,
Oregon and Penn State and Tony. We want to start
with Oregon tight end Kenyon Sadek. We talked about it
with Dane last week. Dane so told us last week
he was a number one tight end in the draft.
He did not disappoint in this game. Six catches forty
nine yards. Now in the season, fifteen catches two hundred
and four yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And it's r I mean, he did the job as
a blocker as well. I think he's If he's tight
end number one, it's because it's you know, tight end
class is probably worse than the receiver class. He could
be there. I don't think he's there yet. I think
he has that potential to maybe develop into a top
forty five, maybe top thirty two pick. You see the athleticism,
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you see the well rounded game. You know that that
Oregon offense is in a bit of a transition. After
Dylan Gabriel moved on last year. You gotta like what
you saw came back even after hurting his ankle late
in the game, was a major factor. Love his upside.
Just don't know that he's there yet.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I'm I'm very high on Sadik to the point
where I'm kind of put my eggs in this basket
a little late to the party. It's from I think Idaho.
Idaho falls Idaho. You don't see a lot of prospects
come from there. He ran eleven four, one hundred meter.
He was a two hundred and five pound wide receiver recruit.
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Incredibly violent, active, physical kid. They almost put him on
the defensive side of the ball in high school. Odd
they didn't because that just goes to show how physical
it is. And we saw this last year when I
was watching his tape over the summer. He put Abdul
Carter through the floor in their late season matchup, and
he let him know about it, and you just know
he's got that switch in his head. He's a physical dude.
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Right now, among the draftable tight ends I have in
our stack, he is either the best or second best blocker,
and I mean that all draftable tight ends. And then
I think he has a brock Bowers type potential after
the catch, and that's what made him special. That's what
made him a high first round pick. And I think
Sadik is a better athlete. I think he's a better blocker.
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The play of the game, the play of the game
by Kenna Cidek had nothing to do with offense over time.
Dennis Sutton makes the interception, he's about to break free
first score. Sadek comes out of nowhere, he makes the tackle,
he forces the fumble, he scoops it up, and then
then he makes the second penn State scoops it up,
and then he makes a second tackle right after. It's
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at the end of the game. Something that you might
not have made watch because you're so into the game.
But the guy is a classic blue collar football player,
elite athlete number eleven on the Bruce Bruce Helman Freaklist.
By the way, I mean, he just checks every single box.
I'd like it to see him produce a little bit
more as a downfield pass catching thread. But I'm telling
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this right now. Our lads are the way we make
our top initial top thirty two stack, which comes out
in a week or two. I believe it's not one guy,
it's not two guys. It's our team. We kind of
come up with an equation to make it so it's
not just one person. I'm going to put him in
my top ten.
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let's go to the offensive side of the ball. Here.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Tony will stick with Oregon first, Isaiah World, their offensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I know you're big fan of his.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Transfer from Nevada. I thought he did a good job
holding up at left tackle. I mean, did a solid
job against Danny Dennis, Danny Sutton, who you know at
times you wish you he would just shut up and
play football rather than all the history onics out on
the field. But I mean, World, he looks athletic, he
moved well. This was a major test for him, at
least the first major test. I think he sets with
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a bit of a narrow base at times, you'd like
to see him spread his speed a little bit further
apart and sick as But but I thought, you know,
you saw a lot of the athleticism. You saw a
lot of the past blocking skills. You saw why Oregon
went out and signed into a big nil deal, you know,
to clamp down that left tackle position after losing their
left tackle in the first round last year. I thought
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it was a good showing for World. He's got long arms,
uses them well, needs to polish his game. But you
can you consider the that moment, you consider that game
playing at Penn State and what that game meant. I thought,
he came out, they're looking really good.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
First true test for him this season, and it was
his best tape of the season. I actually didn't love
what I saw early in the year. I watched a
lot of his tape from Nevada. He started thirty five
games there over the past three seasons prior to that transfer,
and obviously he looked at there. I think he could
kind of one hand how many times he faced off
against the future NFL defender and what he did on
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this Penn State, I mean, unbelievably explosive and violent. The
pop that he played with. I didn't see that early
in the year, and it seemed like he really rose
to the occasion. He took that environment head on. And
it's not just Dennis Sutton. They have a freshman pass
rusher that we're all gonna be talking about in a
couple of years. He dominated him. I mean, he was
getting a lot of push in the run game. I mean,
we're programmed when we watch tackles to watch their pass
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sets and their footwork and their balance. He was a
difference maker in the run game. And that's where Oregon,
in my opinion, that's where they won the game. They
were able to really move the ball on the ground
and they ran behind him a lot, and he was
getting two three yards of movement NonStop. So that was
a really important game. Tape for him one that we're
gonna be talking about in the pre draft process, and
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the greade for him on that one was without a
doubt in a all.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right, Tony, let's go to Drew aller At someone we've
talked about now for a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And again.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Just the potential, the size, the traits, it hasn't shown
up in production. He does that that one nice d
pass in that game for a touchdown to help bring
Penn State back, but overall just fourteen of twenty five,
one hundred and thirty seven yards, two touchdowns, that one pick,
and there were some of the things in this game
that you did not like from what you saw from Aler.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, it was almost a Carson Beck type performance Carson
Beck at Miami. You know, he didn't kill the team,
but he really didn't hurt the team and couldn't push
the ball into the end zone. He keeps keeps you
thinking that there's so much more that he can deliver.
And there was one point after Oregon scored that second
touchdown in overtime, camera pan to Drew Law on sidelines
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and a Laura looked like I got to go out
there again. It was almost like he was hoping that
the defense, the Penn State defense, would win the game
for him. He goes out there, he throws the pick
in overtime game over. The body language was just horrible.
You know, he didn't seem chomping at the bit. Let's
get out there, let's kick their butts, let's get the
ball in the ends on, let's get the two point
score and win this game. He almost looked like he
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didn't want to go out there like the defense. He
wanted the defense to win the game for him. You
look at that game tying drive, he was one to five.
That one completion was the seven yard touchdown pass, But
it seemed that last drive and even that first drive
in overtime, Penn State took the ball out of his
hands and said, we're just gonna run the ball and
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if we want Drewelo to do something, we're gonna have
him run the ball rather than to throw the ball,
which showed me just a complete lack of confidence in him,
which I mean this is three years ago, three years
running now. I mean, he was phenomenal as a freshman
allah Christian Hackenberg. We thought he was all going to
be the next coming and it's been nothing but you know,
the same jewelrd, if not in reverse the past couple
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of years. It was not a good Warmans. It was
not the performance that he needed. It was not the
performance to Penn State needed.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Same page with him, Tony. He's played seven games over
his career against top ten teams. He's one in six.
His completion percentage is barely above fifty percent. He's got
eleven touchdowns, and I believe that one win was against
Boise State. This is a guy, this is a program,
This is a head coach that when they face their
toughest tests, when they really need to rise to the occasion,
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it almost never comes through. And like you said, it's
almost like a scared football. And that's the vibe I
get when I watch him. I don't know if he
completely knows what he's seeing or he completely trusts himself.
There's a lot of heavy, clunky movement with his footwork.
He misses layups and then he makes a three pointer.
That's kind of been his career where you just don't
know if he's the kind of guy that you can
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trust drive to drive week to week. It'd be one
thing if he would ten starts under his belt. Put
he's going to enter the NFL with probably forty starts
to his name, and we have not seen I mean,
when we look at quarterbacks, you don't have to be
a finished product in college. We know that, but we
do want to see progress. We want to see improvement
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both him and Garrett and Usmyer. We haven't seen that
this year, and in a quarterback class that there are
some guys knocking on the door that are playing better
than that. Both alar and us Meyer. Their draft status,
their draft grade can disappear pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Hi, Tony, one more guy in this game. You wanted
to talk about Amury Washington.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah, we talked about the coming of age. If some
of these Ohio State defensive lineman can get a joshly
and Caden Donald Kat McDonald, I think you can say
the same thing from Maury Washington at ark and who
basically was a situational guy, came in off the bench
last year. You're starting to see him hit his stride,
very explosive, tremendous first step off the step. I mean,
he just has the opposing offensive lineman playing back on
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their heels. Oregon thinks he's gonna be a fresh round pick.
I'm gonna take away and see approach. Let him get
a body of work going before gonna scamp him as
a first rounder. Would like to see him play with
better pend levels. Tends to get a little bit high
as the play goes on, but yeah, he looks like
he can be a difference maker up front. You gotta
like what you see and you gotta expect that it's
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only going to get better as he gets more and
more playing time.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Say you could touch on him, or you get anyone
else in this game that jumped out at you.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I'm gonna try to say the name one more time.
I thought I was down saying this one, But Mateo,
you a Galiley defensive end. I'm just gonna call him Mateo,
or I'll call him DJ's brother. But I'll tell you
what man I mean. I had a top fifteen kind
of projection on him if he made progress like we
said in the season, and that progress has been made,
I mean six five, two seventy five. He plays like
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his his hair's on fire, seventeen pressures so far this season,
but also an elite run defender, and it stems from
a couple of different things. He's learning how to use
his length in his hands, but the effort is just
out of control. I mean, he is just all over
the place. And I think when you when you look
at this edge group, in particular, very strong group, you
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have a lot of guys that are playing like this,
where hey, if they don't reach that high ceiling upside
as a pass rusher, their floor as a run defender
is so high that at the very least you know
you're gonna get some usage out of him. I think
this guy live, he lived in the Penn State backfield.
He knows he's making progress year to year, and you
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do a little bit of background check on him and
just who he is as a person, you know he's
gonna work his butt off. Really interesting backstory if you
guys want to read up on it. But I think
the turns and the timing and just the angles that
he's taking towards a quarterback, it's what I wanted to
see last year when I was watching his tape. And
we're still early in the year. He's a very young kid.
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I think that's a kid that we're going to be
talking about as a first round the next spring.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to an episode of the Draft Season. I am
John Schmelk. Thank you so much for being with us.
So I record an episode with Tony Pauline and Dave
Sivertson from our Lads dot Com. We went around an
hour and fifteen minutes, so that's too long for one
episode to be quite frank with you, so we've decided
to split into two parts.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The first part is what you're gonna hear today.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's talking about the great weekend of college football that
happened on September twenty eighth and a couple of days
before that.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And then the second half of.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
The show we talked about ranking the best position groups
in the draft. We won another forty minutes or so
on that. So that's gonna air in a week or two,
depending on when we want to air it. So that's
the two episodes we're gonna lead off again. Draft Season
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
We're gonna talk about this week's games. There are so
many good ones.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Again, we go like thirty forty minute that'll be these
week's episode, and then you stay tuned either next week
when the Giants played the Eagles of the week after
that will air the other episode talking about and ranking
the top position groups in this year's draft. So here's
part one of our conversation Tony Pauline and Dave Sivertson.
Welcome to another edition of Draft Season, presented by Moody's,
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a proud sponsor of the New York Football Giants. I
am John Schmelk. Tony Pauline is always some sports keeter
with us, and we welcome in a guest this week,
second straight week Dave Sivertson. He covers the draft and
does the Hour Lads Draft Guide.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Dave, Welcome, How are you man?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Ray, guys really really pumped to see you guys do
some of the best work out there with the draft coverage.
I'm so glad to see you guys are starting out
this early because it really is it's a twelve month process.
It does not sleep. A lot of people play catch
up in January, and it's kudos to you guys for
putting that out there now for these people to watch.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, for first year, Tony, I think we started in
like November, right something like that, and then we decided,
you know, what. There's enough content every week to kind
of track it. You do show and it really because
the the draft analysis process is really like a journey,
right Tony, where you see where the guy is, where
he starts, and how the season goes.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And I think it's good to track it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And it gives you a much better feel for these
guys when you get to, you know, the All Star
games in January.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
They only I disagree with you use the word season.
I use seasons because I usually have the years of
notes on the guys, just just track them throughout their
college career. One of those players we're going to talk about,
but you know, I gotta pass on a funny story.
Our Lads was actually the first draft publication that I
bought in my life in the mid to late eighties
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when they Hepplers used to run the used to run
the guy. I absolutely enjoyed it, and to this day
I still use the Our Lads depth charts when I'm
watching film. I have my tablet. I don't have an
ipaty Samsung. I got my tablet from me with the
depth chart for Buffalo or Cincinnati or you know whoever,
and you know, the guys I'm watching I'm under the
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guys want to maybe keep an eye on they got
exes next to them, the guys who are none of
my database getting checked. So it's been ongoing process and
our ledge has been a large part of it for
as far as I'm as far as my journeys concerned.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
How do you track all those depth charts? Si?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean to me, I can't imagine the amount of
work that goes into that, especially for some of these
smaller programs that As someone that called FCS games on
on on TV for a while, I know sometimes the
media sites and the notes don't exactly give you the
most accurate depth charts.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So how do you How do you guys get those
things straight?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's really impressive.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, I was sort of said, I mean they're they're
forty forty five years old now, and it just it
takes a team, and we have some some really smart
techy guys in the background helping us out create some data.
But it really does. I'll tell you what. It comes
down to fans sometimes reaching out to us saying like hey,
this guy is actually the second string left tackle and
this guy is the third string right guard. I mean,
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we get it right, I would say ninety five percent
of the time. Uh, but we actually have really crowdsource
a lot of the information. We cross check everything we do,
and we have a great team of guys that we
know our roles and we it's it's twenty four seven,
three sixty five, but it's if there were twenty five
hours in the day, we would put twenty five hours
into it this time of year.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
All right, No, that's sure because I know with the
late transfer portal, I missed out a couple of guys.
Hey he's not on Maryland anymore, he's not on Arborn.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So they'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh yeah, oh they will absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, guys, just an unbelievable weeknd of college football.
Week one was great this year, but this one probably
topped it. A lot of great games. When we gets
to a lot of them, and then our second half
of the episode today, folks will be ranking the quality
of the position groups, so we're not too and we'll
mention some players in the groups obviously, but what position
groups the best, and then go down from best to
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maybe the one that we think has some players that
still has to prove themselves in it. So that's what
we're gonna do on today's episode, But let's start it off,
guys with Ohio State and Washington Tony. This was game
we talked about with Dame Brugler last week. Ohio State
really handles Washington twenty four to six. And I know
you have one offensive player on your list you want
to get to, but to me, this was really about
the Ohio State defense and especially their defensive front. You
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had a bunch of sacks, Kaden Curry, Kayden McDonald, Kenyatta Jackson.
They all played well who'd you like in this game
for Ohio State?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And it didn't start off like that because if you
watch the game, the Washington offensive line actually moved the
ball for the first quarter and a half. They just
couldn't convert. But I mean you watched CJ. Donaldson, the
transfer from West Virginia who came into the season with
late round bridge. I mean, that guy's a hammer. He's
not Quinn Shawn Jenkins. But if you're looking for a
late round, short yardage ball carrier that can pick it
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up on third and two or in goal line situations,
will also show himself to be a decent receiver out
of the backfield. I think he's established or is establishing
himself well at Ohio State. And then you mentioned those
three defensive linemen. I think we're seeing the coming of
age of those guys, especially the two underclassmen Kenyatta Jackson
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and Kayden McDonald. These are guys who really didn't get
a lot of playing time last year because that Ohio
State defensive line was so talented, and they're now all
on NFL rosters. These guys are getting there, getting their
playing time, and you're seeing them elevate their game. Cayden Curry,
he's the Jack Sawyer type, if you will, had a
great game against Washington. These guys are gonna be fun
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to track. Kenyana Jackson, I think a lot of people
knew about coming into the season. We talked about him
in August. But these other guys, as they're getting more
and more playing time after being substitutes and rotational guys
last year, are really starting to seat their own level
and gain the notice of scouts.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Sy what what jumped out to you in this game?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You can kind of double up on Tony's guys or
if anyone else you want to touch on as well.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, well, I like how Tony he noted the receiving
skill set, natural pass catching of CJ. Donaldson six two
thirty two. He was a high school tight end. He
didn't make the transition full time running back until he
was at West Virginia and he was the number two
guy there a couple years in a row. Did not
fumble twenty three, twenty twenty sorry, twenty twenty three to
twenty twenty four until the very last game the Bowl
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game last year. Put it on the ground twice. Big
power guy. He doesn't do a lot after contact for
a guy with this build and lack of agility, So
I wonder if he could be anything more than a
late day three pick. But he's a guy that you feel.
I think there's an intriguing upside to him because of
that tight end background that has translated to his tape
so far in college. And I mean he hit the
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nail on the head of the defensive line. Kennetta Jackson
to me six five, two sixty five. Defensive line coaches,
you'll you call it right now. When those guys get
involved in the scouting process after the season, they're going
to start drooling over him. He's got tools for days,
he's he's long, he's strong, he's thick, he can bend,
just has not really developed the wide arsenal pass rush moves.
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But at the very least he can play with that
high floor. He's of the power. But the guy I
am intrigued with the most it is Kadi McDonald six
three three twenty six. Larry Johnson, best defensive line coach
in college football right now. He's recently put in tidek Williams,
Ty Hamilton, Davon Hamilton, Mike Halt into the NFL. This
guy will be next. I don't know if he'll come
out this year, but if the Washington game is an
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indicator that you see a six three to three twenty
six guy that can penetrate and change direction in a
defensive tackle class right now, that is a little little uneven.
Even the top guys have not played well this year.
He could probably bring something to the table and then say, hey,
I might be the top de tackle the nation right now.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
All right, I want to show some love for one
player on Washington and this is someone Tony that we
talked about last week heading into the game.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Jonah Coleman. They're a nice job in this game.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Man thirteen carries seventy yards Obviously, this game was tighter
than maybe the final score might have indicated.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It was just fourteen to six through three quarters.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Washington was able to stick with the run game, and
I thought, Jonah Coleman and you just mentioned how good
this Ohiose defensive front. Look, tony thirteen carries seventy yards.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But if you look early in that game, I thought
the Washington offensive line actually played well. That that was
the thirty four yards runn he had. There was some
beautiful blocking up front, the lane whage player. Yet Colman
played well. It's just that I think eventually the Ohio
State defensive line just overwhelmed the Washington offensive line, who
was playing well early in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Syving Coleman.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Jonan Coleman a lot twitchier than I thought. I did
watch his tape coming into this year, and it did
seem like he was a little sluggish with some of
his lateral movement. That was not the case early in
this game. I mean, he gets his feet off the
ground and I'll tell you what he can get drafted
for his pass protection alone. I mean, this is a
complete back. He's very physical. Nine twenty eight. We're skiing
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it right, now with Kim Scataboo that that build, it
translates to the next level. These guys are just hard
to get to the ground, They're hard to square up,
and he brings that mentality that you need with that
build as well.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So obviously the next game we're going to touch on here, guys.
LSU Ole Miss obviously a big topic of discussion the
Giants locker room this week. I'm sure between Jackson Dart
and the Leak Neighbors, two guys that obviously from rival
programs that played each other in college and obviously terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What happened the Bleak Neighbors this week. It's awful, just sucks.
But Ole Miss.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I ran to Jackson Dort in the cafeteria this morning.
I asked him, Hey, Jackson, I know you're getting ready
for the game. You have a chance to watching Ole
Miss LSUS. Got this big smile, he goes, yeah, I
did so, Jackson Dart a pretty good week Ole Miss
beating LSU twenty four to nineteen in that game. But Tony,
you want to start out with the LSU quarterback Garren
nuss Meyer, who I know some people have as a
number one quarterback. I'm not sure he's played to that
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so far this year. I'm a fan of his two.
What do you think enough in this game?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I think all the red flags about nus Meyer you
saw on Saturday. He doesn't have the great arm, he
doesn't have the great physical skills. Sometimes he's off the market.
He has receivers adjusting to eric Ros or leaving their feet.
He throws the ball into double or triple coverage at times,
as you saw consistently on Saturday. I mean there was
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one instance where early in the third quarter where it
looked like LSU was going to get back in the game.
The intercept the past, they bring it down to old
missus thirty one yard line. Nus s Meyer couldn't convert.
So you know, there's a lot of love out there
for nus Meyer outside the scouting community, in the Twitter
draft world. I just think that all the red flans
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onnus Myer we saw on Saturday, and it's a major concern.
He tries to throw himself out of trouble times, but
he doesn't have the arm string to throw himself out
of trouble. And that's going to be I think the
talking point, as you know Si said, I talked about
how many people get involved in the draft in January
when all the talking heads get involved, you know, does
Nusmeyer have the arm string? Does he have the physical
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skills to be started to be an early pick in
the first round come April.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I mean, I'm a huge was a huge nuts Meyer
fan heading into the year. I did think that if
he came out last season, he could have been QB one.
That was my projection of him at this time last year,
at the end of the twenty twenty four seas. But
even I he's been terrible this year in relation to
that projection. He's not been that guy. In my scouting nose.
Coming into the season, I said, hey, you got you
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got to get rid of the what are you doing
moments like these, these head scratching moves, these you know,
eye opening bad decisions. And that's exactly what happened at
Ole Miss. I mean Kelly, he comes out the sideline
and Kelly looks at me and goes, what are you doing?
With an extra explicity in there, and you know, for
a fifth year senior coach's son that knows the game
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like the back of his hand, these are red flags
because the mind game is where he can make up
for the lack of tools. He's not big, he's not
fast as armors average. But at the end of the day,
he's six and four against the SEC with twenty touchdowns
fifteen interceptions, and I mean I circle back to the
to the the interception in the third quarter. They're up
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by ten. It's third and twenty seven against Florida, and
he throws the ball as he's running out of bounds
into the middle of field and it ends up getting
picked off. Now, I saw cam Moore to make that
same exact throw against Duke lash Year, similar situation. But
sometimes these guys they need to understand game situation decisions.
We know he's smart, we know he knows the game
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and grow up around it. But when you're in the
heat of the moment, you have to take what the
defenses gives you and stop trying to force the ball
into windows that your arm cannot handle.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Tony inside, Tony, you go first inside, you can build
on it. Who else from this game jumped out of chick.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Well dickque we'rewide of Mississippi. I mean, he's six 'y three,
he's two hundred and forty five and fifty pounds. He
runs in the four to sixes. He's a terrific athlete
at the tight end position. Four receptions for sixty six yards.
I wish they would use him more in that Mississippi
offense of the lane Kiffin seems adverse at times they're
using the tight end. But this is a guy who
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has all the physical skills to play on Sunday. He
needs to polish his game. I don't know that he's
going to get that opportunity at Mississippi in this offense.
And I think what's going to happen is as we
get closer to the draft, people are going to start
to talk about his tools, start to talk about his
straights when the ball has drawn to him. The tape
is pretty good, but the opportunities just have not been there.
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He was good last year, He's shown the ability. He's
shown some improvement this year. He's more of a moved
tight end, a bad block in Atlants on the block
that much. He's had his fourtape, They get him out
in the space, have moved around. I use him as
a receiver at the tight end position. This guy's got
a lot of upside and it's what teams really are
looking for these days. In the NFL at that position.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Incredibly soft hands six four to two fifty five, and
like you said, that offense is not set up to
give him the opportunities on tape to project the NFL.
I mean, he hasn't had a contested target yet this year,
but when he does get the ball in his hand,
he is dangerous. You're not going to find many two
hundred and fifty pound tight ends that can move like him.
I mean, we're just a few weeks since the season.
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He's got catches of twenty six, thirty eight, fifty three
and sixty four yards already. The thirteen point The thirteen
point yards after catch per reception is second in the
nation wide receiver and tight end with guys over ten catches.
That list is three hundred and seventy five players d
He's second in the country behind Branch from Georgia in
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terms of what he's doing after the catch. Those big
chunk plays have kind of weighed that a little bit.
But you know, he's also six in the country in
that group with twenty three point three yards per catch.
As a tight end that's not two hundred and twenty pounds.
This guy's a legitimate tight end. And I did. I
watch a lot of his blocking tape and he's not
a difference maker there, but he stays on his man,
he moves his feet, and he tries hard. I mean
that that's where you just want to start. So that
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program they think he's going to be a first round pick,
I'm not there. But he is definitely qualified to be
labeled a starting caliber prospect, which to me is day two.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Put him on, you put him on. It seemed like
Missouri that uses the tight ends. Even Miami, it's probably
a different story.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you what. The other guy
from miss Mississippi that I liked is this linebacker soun
Reen Perkins. He's an edge defender in their scheme. But
it's funny, same last name, reminds me of Harold Perkins.
Just not big enough to play on the outside of
the next level. But all he does is produce. I mean,
he's been a rock solid player. He was all over
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the field. He plays fast, he plays stronger than his
side suggests. I think we're looking at six three, two thirty.
I've really highly tauted to recruit Alabama, wanted them, Lsu, Georgia,
organ all those teams were going hard after him. He
was thirteen All SEC last year, fourteen and a half
tackles for loss. He gets like Harold Perkins. He finishes
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when he gets near the action, he gets behind, he
can slitherer through blocks, He's great at locating the football
and he finishes. And I think there's a spot for
him somewhar at the next level as a Day two,
maybe early Day three prospect.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Dan Olmoss wins that game twenty four to nineteen and
by the way, he's not gonna get drafted, but give
the ole Miss quarterbacks some credit Division two trans for
a Fairris State right, If I remember correctly, Trinidad chamber
is twenty three to thirty nine, three hundred and fourteen
yards in a tight against a LSU defense, specifically a
secondary that has a lot of players in it. So
I just want to tim my cat to that guy
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did a really nice job.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Tony absolutely did. And there are some people in the
league that actually like him. I mean on Friday they said,
you know, and I small. You know, he's an R.
EO type quarterback and these smaller, shorter quarterbacks have not
worked out. But there were some people in the league
that actually like him. I found that out last week
Thursday and Friday talking to people. They said, watch out
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for this guy because he's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
All right, let's go to the next game, Alabama and Georgia.
Alabama wins that game twenty four to twenty one. Action
packed first half. Not a lot going on in the
second half of that game, Tony, you want to lead
off with Caden Proctor or someone that we've talked about
a lot here. You know in your notes, I'm a
little disappointed in you. I'm not gonna lie. You mentioned
great job picking up stunts and twists. No mention of
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the one run for eleven yards when he's running over
like four dudes on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Man, Come on, you know there.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Were three games on that and I saw I'm going
back and forth between three games. I do remember that
play that you talked about. But here's the thing is,
when we spoke about Caden Procter at the beginning of
the year, I said, I think he's a left tack
college left tackle who projects to the right side. After
watching him against Georgia, although the Georgia defense is not
what it's been, I'm not so sure. Maybe this guy
can play left tackle on Sunday. You know, he's bigger
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than I would prefer in the left tackle. He's got
great mass, but I love this fundamentals. But he did
a terrific job and pass protection really nobody got buying
stouted holds, the point of attack, controls his man. You
mentioned the ability to block in motion, picking up the
stunts and twists. I was just I liked Procter coming
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into the season, coming into the game. He just further
impressed me with his performance against Georgia.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
ZI, what do you think about Procter? Do you think
he's a top ten level pick.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
If he catapults from this performance against Georgia. I mean,
look at what he has coming up on his schedule, Missouri,
two NFL dns on that team, Tennessee, who has an
ascending edge defender, And Joseph said, I think we're all
going to be talking about as a first round prospect
South Carolina, who has a top ten kid from in
next year's group LSU than Oklahoma. I mean that that's
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five of the next six games he's going to be
facing off real NFL pass rushers, and if he can
use this performance and apply it to those games, there's
no question. In my mind, he's OT one in this class.
I did not have him as OT one coming into
the year. I'm a Spencer Fano guy from Utah. But
you can't argue against six to seven, three sixty with
that kind of movement trait. And I'll tell you what,
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The Evan Neil comparisons are inevitably going to come up,
whether you think they're fair or not. And Evan Neil
got a lot of attention for the Bruce Feldman Freak List,
one of my favorite reads of the year. But at
the end of the day, that list does not translate
to the NFL that well, because that's more structured, controlled
workouts and jumping on boxes without pads on that we
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get a little too excited about in summer when there's
no football. Proctor, he's an actual He's a better football athlete.
He stays square, he stays on his feet a little
bit better. There are some top heaviness clips to his tape.
But if Proctor plays at this level over the next
four to five weeks, signed sealed, deliver OT one next April.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the Neil stuff because you're right.
And the one thing I regret when I did my
evaluation of him, he never did any of the athletic
testing at the Combine or anything like that. He didn't
do any of the drills, but he was on the
freaks list, right, so you're like, oh, well, you don't
worry about him as an athlete, and now you've seen
some of that stuff kind of pop up and you're like, oh,
that's why he didn't want to do offensive line drills
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at the Combine.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Now I understand.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
So it just kind of funny because when we have Bluceveldnon,
I've asked him if he thinks that sometimes guys that
are on his freaks list prevent them from working out
before the draft. Who was the defensive tackle that the
Cowboys took out of Michigan?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And yeah, yeah, he run down.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
To a bus and if you remember, he was one
of the I think he was the top of Bruce's
list one year. And I said, Bruce, do you think
that these guys see what you write about him and
they don't work out before the draft because they're not
going to hit these numbers and it's going to be
a disappointment where he've written about well, you know, Bruce
Felman said he was supposed to run a six 't
eight to nine in the three cone and he ran
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a seven to one.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's not doing well. So it's an interesting dynamic there
as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
No, it is, it is, and you know, the expectations
with those workouts are always huge.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Tony.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
A couple of defensive players who want to touch on
in this game too, one for Georgia, one for Alabama.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I like lt Overton. He had that big play late
in the game. He's quick, he's explosive. As we talked
about lt Overton in Alabama, where is he going to
play at the next level? Six two sixty three two
hundred and seventy pounds. Is he a defensive end that
they use him as a three technique tackle. He's a
good defensive lineman who makes plays. And I don't know
that George is gonna have a first round pick this year,
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as they've had so many previous years. But if there's
one player that could sneak into the first round, I
think it's gonna be cj Al. I'm a linebacker, an
off the ball linebacker who can blitz Win asked, but
he's usually used in space. I know it's a bit
depreciated now in the NFL draft, but he's explosive. He
goes sideline to sideline, covers a lot of area on
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the field, just really starting to hit his stride as
he moves into the starting lineup on a full time basis.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
How about you sid Jeremy Bernard, the wide receiver from Alabama.
I try to avoid making myself put a pro comparison
on it. I let them come to me and if
it's there, it's there. If it's not, I don't make
one up. Chris Godwin's name comes to name every single
time I watched this kid play football again. Didn't have
a massive game, did have a touchdown, but the ability
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to be a big slot I think that's gonna be
his future of the next role because he's not the
most explosive downfield route runner on the outside, but his
route running his savinus. He's got a two percent drop
rate and the guy does not put the ball on
the ground, and he's actually showing a little bit more
juice after the catch than I thought he had using
prior your tape. And Isaiah Horton, a second year transfer,
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I believe from Miami. He had a big game from Alabama,
and that guy has He's the one that I think
could be a real vertical threat, more of a day
through type, Day three type prospect. But this wide receiver group,
overall the general draft classes, it's very unstable. At the
top the draft class itself very unstable. But I'm not
sure what to make of the wide receivers yet. But
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I'll tell you what, Jeremy Bernard, you can just pencil
him in for a top forty five pick next year
because I think he's that safe, reliable, big, physical six
one two ten catches everything makes some things happen after
the catch. I liked his game, and I liked what
he's done so far this season.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, And it's funny we talked about that last week side,
where at this time last year, you probably knew four
or five guys that were definitely gonna be top ten
picks this year.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Maybe you're a two, maybe something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So they just are not a ton of guys that
did you know are going to go in the top ten.
I want to ask you about one player in this game,
both of you guys. Jam Miller got his first act
running back this year for Alabama. Tony we haven't talked
about him at all. It's a pretty good running back class.
What are your thoughts on him?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Didn't have great numbers, but I think he settled that
Alabama offense down. I think with the Simpson the quarterback
there actually was able to take another step or really
improve his game after a couple of after a couple
tough weeks, because Miller's there. He's a tough interior runner.
He shows some ability to bounce with the outside. He's strong.
He also has the ability to create and make defenders miss.
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It wasn't a great stats game, but I think just
him being on the field for the first time this
season really helped settle that Alabama offense. Looking forward to
seeing what he can do moving forward. I have him
as a potential late Day two pick. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
How about you say your thoughts on Miller.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Just glad that he's back early in the year because
I want to see as close as we can to
a full season's worth of tape. He's your classic Alabama
running back, the ones that we just see every other year.
On average, thick lower body, can take a lot of contexts,
stay square to the line, protects the ball, at a
high level. Caught three passes his only three targets.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Of the day.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Also a nasty special teamer early in his career. I
think he was second or first on the team in
special teams tackles. And that's a really fast route to
kind of breaking a tie. In the pre draft process,
it's like, hey, I'm more than just a backup running back.
I don't project him as a starter. I'm thinking more
of an early Day three type. But again, he's alibet
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running back. It's very rare that an Alabama running back
with some status behind him does not, at least, you know,
give you a solid number two or number three row
at the NFL.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
All right, let's go to the game of the week guys,
Oregon and Penn State and Tony. We want to start
with Oregon tight end Kenyon Sadek. We talked about it
with Dane last week. Dane so told us last week
he was a number one tight end in the draft.
He did not disappoint in this game. Six catches forty
nine yards. Now in the season, fifteen catches two hundred
and four yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And it's r I mean, he did the job as
a blocker as well. I think he's If he's tight
end number one, it's because it's you know, tight end
class is probably worse than the receiver class. He could
be there. I don't think he's there yet. I think
he has that potential to maybe develop into a top
forty five, maybe top thirty two pick. You see the athleticism,
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you see the well rounded game. You know that that
Oregon offense is in a bit of a transition. After
Dylan Gabriel moved on last year. You gotta like what
you saw came back even after hurting his ankle late
in the game, was a major factor. Love his upside.
Just don't know that he's there yet.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I'm I'm very high on Sadik to the point
where I'm kind of put my eggs in this basket
a little late to the party. It's from I think Idaho.
Idaho falls Idaho. You don't see a lot of prospects
come from there. He ran eleven four, one hundred meter.
He was a two hundred and five pound wide receiver recruit.
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Incredibly violent, active, physical kid. They almost put him on
the defensive side of the ball in high school. Odd
they didn't because that just goes to show how physical
it is. And we saw this last year when I
was watching his tape over the summer. He put Abdul
Carter through the floor in their late season matchup, and
he let him know about it, and you just know
he's got that switch in his head. He's a physical dude.
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Right now, among the draftable tight ends I have in
our stack, he is either the best or second best blocker,
and I mean that all draftable tight ends. And then
I think he has a brock Bowers type potential after
the catch, and that's what made him special. That's what
made him a high first round pick. And I think
Sadik is a better athlete. I think he's a better blocker.
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The play of the game, the play of the game
by Kenna Cidek had nothing to do with offense over time.
Dennis Sutton makes the interception, he's about to break free
first score. Sadek comes out of nowhere, he makes the tackle,
he forces the fumble, he scoops it up, and then
then he makes the second penn State scoops it up,
and then he makes a second tackle right after. It's
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at the end of the game. Something that you might
not have made watch because you're so into the game.
But the guy is a classic blue collar football player,
elite athlete number eleven on the Bruce Bruce Helman Freaklist.
By the way, I mean, he just checks every single box.
I'd like it to see him produce a little bit
more as a downfield pass catching thread. But I'm telling
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this right now. Our lads are the way we make
our top initial top thirty two stack, which comes out
in a week or two. I believe it's not one guy,
it's not two guys. It's our team. We kind of
come up with an equation to make it so it's
not just one person. I'm going to put him in
my top ten.
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let's go to the offensive side of the ball. Here.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Tony will stick with Oregon first, Isaiah World, their offensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I know you're big fan of his.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Transfer from Nevada. I thought he did a good job
holding up at left tackle. I mean, did a solid
job against Danny Dennis, Danny Sutton, who you know at
times you wish you he would just shut up and
play football rather than all the history onics out on
the field. But I mean, World, he looks athletic, he
moved well. This was a major test for him, at
least the first major test. I think he sets with
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a bit of a narrow base at times, you'd like
to see him spread his speed a little bit further
apart and sick as But but I thought, you know,
you saw a lot of the athleticism. You saw a
lot of the past blocking skills. You saw why Oregon
went out and signed into a big nil deal, you know,
to clamp down that left tackle position after losing their
left tackle in the first round last year. I thought
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it was a good showing for World. He's got long arms,
uses them well, needs to polish his game. But you
can you consider the that moment, you consider that game
playing at Penn State and what that game meant. I thought,
he came out, they're looking really good.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
First true test for him this season, and it was
his best tape of the season. I actually didn't love
what I saw early in the year. I watched a
lot of his tape from Nevada. He started thirty five
games there over the past three seasons prior to that transfer,
and obviously he looked at there. I think he could
kind of one hand how many times he faced off
against the future NFL defender and what he did on
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this Penn State, I mean, unbelievably explosive and violent. The
pop that he played with. I didn't see that early
in the year, and it seemed like he really rose
to the occasion. He took that environment head on. And
it's not just Dennis Sutton. They have a freshman pass
rusher that we're all gonna be talking about in a
couple of years. He dominated him. I mean, he was
getting a lot of push in the run game. I mean,
we're programmed when we watch tackles to watch their pass
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sets and their footwork and their balance. He was a
difference maker in the run game. And that's where Oregon,
in my opinion, that's where they won the game. They
were able to really move the ball on the ground
and they ran behind him a lot, and he was
getting two three yards of movement NonStop. So that was
a really important game. Tape for him one that we're
gonna be talking about in the pre draft process, and
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the greade for him on that one was without a
doubt in a all.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right, Tony, let's go to Drew aller At someone we've
talked about now for a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And again.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Just the potential, the size, the traits, it hasn't shown
up in production. He does that that one nice d
pass in that game for a touchdown to help bring
Penn State back, but overall just fourteen of twenty five,
one hundred and thirty seven yards, two touchdowns, that one pick,
and there were some of the things in this game
that you did not like from what you saw from Aler.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, it was almost a Carson Beck type performance Carson
Beck at Miami. You know, he didn't kill the team,
but he really didn't hurt the team and couldn't push
the ball into the end zone. He keeps keeps you
thinking that there's so much more that he can deliver.
And there was one point after Oregon scored that second
touchdown in overtime, camera pan to Drew Law on sidelines
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and a Laura looked like I got to go out
there again. It was almost like he was hoping that
the defense, the Penn State defense, would win the game
for him. He goes out there, he throws the pick
in overtime game over. The body language was just horrible.
You know, he didn't seem chomping at the bit. Let's
get out there, let's kick their butts, let's get the
ball in the ends on, let's get the two point
score and win this game. He almost looked like he
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didn't want to go out there like the defense. He
wanted the defense to win the game for him. You
look at that game tying drive, he was one to five.
That one completion was the seven yard touchdown pass, But
it seemed that last drive and even that first drive
in overtime, Penn State took the ball out of his
hands and said, we're just gonna run the ball and
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if we want Drewelo to do something, we're gonna have
him run the ball rather than to throw the ball,
which showed me just a complete lack of confidence in him,
which I mean this is three years ago, three years
running now. I mean, he was phenomenal as a freshman
allah Christian Hackenberg. We thought he was all going to
be the next coming and it's been nothing but you know,
the same jewelrd, if not in reverse the past couple
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of years. It was not a good Warmans. It was
not the performance that he needed. It was not the
performance to Penn State needed.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Same page with him, Tony. He's played seven games over
his career against top ten teams. He's one in six.
His completion percentage is barely above fifty percent. He's got
eleven touchdowns, and I believe that one win was against
Boise State. This is a guy, this is a program,
This is a head coach that when they face their
toughest tests, when they really need to rise to the occasion,
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it almost never comes through. And like you said, it's
almost like a scared football. And that's the vibe I
get when I watch him. I don't know if he
completely knows what he's seeing or he completely trusts himself.
There's a lot of heavy, clunky movement with his footwork.
He misses layups and then he makes a three pointer.
That's kind of been his career where you just don't
know if he's the kind of guy that you can
(33:48):
trust drive to drive week to week. It'd be one
thing if he would ten starts under his belt. Put
he's going to enter the NFL with probably forty starts
to his name, and we have not seen I mean,
when we look at quarterbacks, you don't have to be
a finished product in college. We know that, but we
do want to see progress. We want to see improvement
(34:09):
both him and Garrett and Usmyer. We haven't seen that
this year, and in a quarterback class that there are
some guys knocking on the door that are playing better
than that. Both alar and us Meyer. Their draft status,
their draft grade can disappear pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Hi, Tony, one more guy in this game. You wanted
to talk about Amury Washington.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah, we talked about the coming of age. If some
of these Ohio State defensive lineman can get a joshly
and Caden Donald Kat McDonald, I think you can say
the same thing from Maury Washington at ark and who
basically was a situational guy, came in off the bench
last year. You're starting to see him hit his stride,
very explosive, tremendous first step off the step. I mean,
he just has the opposing offensive lineman playing back on
(34:53):
their heels. Oregon thinks he's gonna be a fresh round pick.
I'm gonna take away and see approach. Let him get
a body of work going before gonna scamp him as
a first rounder. Would like to see him play with
better pend levels. Tends to get a little bit high
as the play goes on, but yeah, he looks like
he can be a difference maker up front. You gotta
like what you see and you gotta expect that it's
(35:13):
only going to get better as he gets more and
more playing time.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Say you could touch on him, or you get anyone
else in this game that jumped out at you.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I'm gonna try to say the name one more time.
I thought I was down saying this one, But Mateo,
you a Galiley defensive end. I'm just gonna call him Mateo,
or I'll call him DJ's brother. But I'll tell you
what man I mean. I had a top fifteen kind
of projection on him if he made progress like we
said in the season, and that progress has been made,
I mean six five, two seventy five. He plays like
(35:42):
his his hair's on fire, seventeen pressures so far this season,
but also an elite run defender, and it stems from
a couple of different things. He's learning how to use
his length in his hands, but the effort is just
out of control. I mean, he is just all over
the place. And I think when you when you look
at this edge group, in particular, very strong group, you
(36:04):
have a lot of guys that are playing like this,
where hey, if they don't reach that high ceiling upside
as a pass rusher, their floor as a run defender
is so high that at the very least you know
you're gonna get some usage out of him. I think
this guy live, he lived in the Penn State backfield.
He knows he's making progress year to year, and you
(36:25):
do a little bit of background check on him and
just who he is as a person, you know he's
gonna work his butt off. Really interesting backstory if you
guys want to read up on it. But I think
the turns and the timing and just the angles that
he's taking towards a quarterback, it's what I wanted to
see last year when I was watching his tape. And
we're still early in the year. He's a very young kid.
(36:45):
I think that's a kid that we're going to be
talking about as a first round the next spring.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's all the time we have for draft season.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
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