Draft Season | PFF’s Big Board

John Schmeelk and Tony Pauline are joined by Trevor Sikkema, a PFF Draft Analyst, to discuss his top prospects at each position in the NFL Draft and whether the premium positions are as deep as draft years of the past.

:00 - Ohio State vs Michigan

7:07 - Georgia vs Georgia Tech

9:09 - Conference Championship weekend

12:25 - Offensive tackles

23:50 - Draft class overall

32:36 - Top non-premium position prospects

34:26 - Individual players

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Draft Season presented by Moodies, a proud partner
of the Giants, Decode, Russ, Unlock Opportunity. Learn more at
moodies dot com. John Shmelt, Tony Pauline from sports Keita.
Another episode of Draft Season our guests. This week, we're
joined by front of the program Trevor Sakamo, who, by
my account, does about two thousand podcasts a week for
Pro Foo Focus. I don't know how you keep track

(00:31):
of the pro and college stuff, man, but it's good
to talk to you two thousand.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
And one here with this show being in number number
two thousand and one, but no, it's always good to
be with you, guys. I appreciate you having me on.
I will say that doing as many shows as I
do definitely forces me to keep up with college and
pro probably more than I ever have. So it's been
fun though to have that full scope, especially knowing that
you get an eye towards the NFL Draft as well.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Absolutely so, trev let's start here. Come big games last week,
none bigger than Ohio State Michigan. And you know, we
all joke last year that all these Ohio State kids
that could have went day two, maybe even late day
one for some of them. All went back to school
just to be Michigan didn't happen in a very ugly,
ugly game. And I'm not gonna say the bloom is

(01:15):
off the rows for some of these Ohio State players.
But I don't really think any of them have improved
their stock going back to school this year.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
No I would agree with you. I don't. I don't
know if you know they're worse per se, but it's
not like well, I mean, it's been a tough year.
I'll say for Denzel Burke, the cornerback from Ohio State,
you know, he I know had first round aspirations and
he really just not has not put out first round tape.
In my opinion, there are a couple of players so
I do think are on the up leythan Ransom and
their safety. I think he is having his best year

(01:42):
of his career, so him coming back and even though
it's a stronger safety class, I think that he is
playing well. JT. Towoey Moloau. He didn't take that massive
leap that we thought that he was going to at
some point throughout his college football career, but he now
has multiple years of tape out there where he's just
a really solid football player. So maybe he didn't make
that jump into the first round, but I think you
at least feel better about the floor. You just know

(02:04):
what you're kind of getting with a player like him.
Tyler Williams, the interior defensive lineman, really good year run stopping,
but he as well, it's like, okay, well you kind
of come back. We want to see a little bit
more from me as a pass rusher. We still need
to continue to see that from him moving forward along
the offensive line. It's a shame that the two guys
who I think really improved their stock in this team,

(02:25):
if you want me to be honest, are Seth Mclockall In,
the interior offensive lineman, who I saw flashes of while
he was at Alabama. I know the consistency wasn't quite there,
but there are a couple of reps where you know,
I really enjoyed his play when I was watching his
tape at Alabama because he could have went out in
last year's class, transfers to Ohio State, plays well this year,
and then obviously suffers the achilles injury in practice, which
really sucks. And then on the other side of things.

(02:46):
They're left tackle Josh Simmons. He was my OT five
going into this season because I just it wasn't quite
all there yet for him. But the athletic potential how
he moved even last year was really nice, and I
thought he was really starting to put it together this
year before suffering knee injury against Oregon and ending his
season early. So unfortunately it does. It feels like the
guys that have improved their stock the most of those

(03:07):
in two and Tier two offensive linemen who we don't
get to see anymore even in the College Fooball playoff.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Antonio was reported this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Adam Schefter had it that Simmons will be heading into
the NFL draft, as his agent said that, oh, he'll
be ready to go for trading Cam.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
What.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
We were the same thing about Jonathan Brooks last year
at this time, right, and then I think we ten
it took until he got on the field for the Panthers.
So we'll see how that goes with the injury. Your thoughts,
Tony on this game, and you can attack the Michigan
side of things if you want.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Well, I mean Michigan stepped up. I mean I don't
necessarily agree. I think that two of Maola and Sawyer
took a step back. We were expecting big things from them.
I think two in Mayola at this point last year
was maybe a fringe late first round picked. He's not
getting into the top thirty two. I'd be shocked if
he gets into the top thirty two. Conversely to that,
I mean, you look at the game that Mason Graham

(03:54):
and Kenneth Grant played, both guys who I'm told are
going to enter the draft, and I mean they were unstoppable.
Granted they were playing against a readjusted Ohio State offensive line.
Their best guard is now left tackle, they got a
second second stringer center in as Trevor was talking about.
But those guys, they couldn't be stopped. I think that
Ohio State didn't help the situation by consistently running the

(04:16):
ball between tackles rather than coming up with something creative.
But Mason Graham showed why he's going to be an
early pick, and I believe Kenneth Grant also showed why
he's going to be a first round pick. I think
Khalel Mullings, the running back who was a third string
running back last year, has really taken the ball and
run with it. This year, per Se had an outstanding game.

(04:37):
I mean that play where he worked it, he kept
his balance, he kept on his feet. Late in the
fourth quarter, broke the tackle. I believe it was like
a twenty plus yard run that iced the game for Michigan.
And he is the guy who's very very underrated. A
bigger guy, more of a downhill ball carrier. But he's
got some speed, he's got some decent quickness. And I

(04:58):
know that no one talks about full backs anymore, but
you gotta love Max Retson. I mean he is a throwback,
lead blocker. They use him behind behind the quarterback. They
line him up as an h back. I mean he
does the dirty work. He's the type of guy. He's
only a junior when he enters a draft. He's gonna
be a seventh round pick reticin, but he's gonna go

(05:19):
on to have a ten to twelve year career in
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, Travis Fonnie, This is gonna be a boring draft,
I think for people that aren't locked in on it
like we are. But a guy like you know, Mason Graham,
you watch him, you know, I don't know if he
is superstar potential, but he is as safe as a
pick as you can get. And I really feel like,
and I'll kind of get into this more with you
when we get into the big board, guys like Grant,
guys like Graham, teams are going to prioritize I think,

(05:43):
even if it's not a premium position, safer players in
this draft, because I just don't think we're seeing a
lot of guys with a ton of upside. But a
guy like Graham, you pick him in the top ten,
you know exactly what you're getting.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
He's awesome, he really is. I mean, you do know
exactly what you get, and I think you get a
floor with Mason Graham when it comes to what he
is as a undefender. You know how much effort he
will give you all the way to the whistle. But
it's more than that. I mean, you say, like, Okay,
I don't know if he has superstar potential in this class,
I draft him as such like I would take this
dude in the top five. I really do agree on

(06:13):
I think he's one of the best players. And the
thing is really the only thing kind of going against
Mason Graham not that he's a perfect player. But it's
the arm length, right. I think people are gonna look
at the arm length and you could see it on tape,
some of that lack of length there from him on
the interior the defensive line. It's not the worst thing
in the world. We see interior defensive line with shorter
arms have success at the NFL level. But anytime you're
sort of behind the eight ball when it comes to

(06:34):
those NFL measurables and just percentiles that you want to hit,
it gives you a little bit of hesitation. When he
gets to the combine, he think he's gonna have those
shorter arms and think people that's going to be a
discussion point with him. But just turn on the tape man.
I mean just like extremely fast and violent hands, very
strong grip strength. I mean the way that he plays
with leverage and holds the line of scrimmage against double teams,

(06:54):
how he can push Pulman rip guys off of him.
To me, he is a phenomenal pass rusher even without
that length that a lot of other defensive linemen at
the NFL might have. So I think he's a great
run defender, which gives him that high floor. But I
also think he's got a lot of pass rush potential
even for the pro level as well. So Mason Graham
is somebody that I'd feel very comfortable with taking the

(07:15):
top five of this upcoming draft.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Tony, you wanted to touch on the Georgia Georgia Tech game.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Well, I mean, again, we see, you know, Georgia is
sort of Ohio State, a lesser version of Ohio State.
You know, they come into games, they don't seem prepared,
they're playing from behind, but unlike Ohio State, you know,
they end up winning. They find a way to win
where Ohio State is not. I mean, you look at
if you watch that game, you look at Carson Beck.
He continues his fault. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't.

(07:44):
Haynes King of Georgia Tech was the better quarterback and
that game compared to Carson Beck, who a lot of
people not too long ago we're talking about as a
top fifteen selection. So again it seems that Carson Beck
can't get out of his own way at times, didn't
have many bad plays, did have any bad interceptions, but
could not move the Georgia offense, which is disturbing against

(08:06):
the Georgia Tech defense. Which is sort of like Michigan.
I mean, they're, you know, the little train that could.
They don't have superstar talent unlike Michigan, but they get
the job done. I think I thought that was an
interesting dynamic in that game. Jackson Hawes a tight end
that we're going to see at the senior ball. He's big,
he's athletic, he's developing, solid pass catcher, also a real

(08:29):
good blocker. They use him on the line of scrimmage,
they put him in motion on the second level. If
you watch that game, Jackson Hawes was one of the
reasons why Georgia Tech was able to move the ball
down the field because he did such a good job
as a blocker.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, Hawes reminds me a
little bit right now of of sort of what we
thought about Tip Ryman last year from Illinois. He was
sort of that same mold of just this bigger He's
got a little bit of athleticism to him, but the
reason why you're going to you're going to draft him
is as a blocker. Now, him going in the third
round was kind of a I was surprised that the
Cardinals drafted him as high as they did. But you know,

(09:04):
I think that for Hawes that's sort of what you want,
like that that's the ideal pathway. And I think that
his agents are probably going to be pumping up, you
know that that tip Ryman selection and the things that
he's been able to do in his rookie season with
the Cardinals, because his scouting report's going to read pretty similarly.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Trev, What has you excited about Conference Championship weekend coming
up here?

Speaker 4 (09:22):
What do you have your eyes on.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean, look, it's it's gonna be great with the
SEC Championship game. I mean because really we're going to
see two fantastic rosters. You know, it's quarterbacks that I agree,
like didn't really take that next step that we wanted
them to for Carson Beck and for Coen Ewers. But
there's a lot of talent on both sides of the ball.
I'm excited to see George's defensive line and especially a
guy like Jalen Walker, who sort of that hybrid off

(09:43):
ball linebacker edge rusher type of a player. Him getting
to go up against guys like Cameron Williams and Kelvin
Banks Junior on Texas side of things is going to
be round two of that getting to see j Day Baron,
who has I believe he's still tied for the interception
lead in the SEC. First he started at safety, then
he was a slock cornw now he's an outside corner
throughout his career at Texas, and so that there's just
so much NFL talent on both sides of the ball,

(10:06):
even independent of those quarterbacks. So I'm looking at the
SEC this week and I'm really excited about that. I'm
also excited to see what ash and Genty's gonna do
this week, right, because like he's close, right, he's close
to some of those crazy records, and his boise stage
just gonna say, we are going to feed this man
the football no matter what. It's so funny, you know,
I was watching it, and you know the debates between

(10:27):
him and Travis Hunter for Heisman Trophy and all of that,
and we don't have to get into that, but every
week I would make sure if I didn't get to
see these games live, I'd at least look up some
of the statistics in the PFF grades about how these
guys did. And it's funny. There was one week that
I had a realization of just how good Ashton Genty is.
And I cannot remember the exact opponent, but I looked
up his stats after the game because I wasn't able

(10:48):
to catch the game, and I go, oh, he only
had twenty two carries for a buck ninety five. Only
old like to say, you just all yeah, only a
buck ninety five in this game just goes to show
you how dominant that guy has been.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
How about you, Tody, what are you watching this weekend?

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah? I want to see because that that asked Ashton
Genty as well, because that un l D team and
the defense is feisty. Yeah, they don't have great talent,
but I mean they are. They come to play and
they are prepared. Ashton Genty always finds a way to
get it done. I think Oregon versus Penn State is
an interesting game. Drew a Lar sort of like the
Carson back sometimes, you know, very streaky, doesn't have a

(11:25):
lot of bad turnovers. How does he do against that
Oregon defense, which is really solid from the front line
through the secondary, a lot of good players. You know,
A Lar's got to get that Penn State the offense
off hot to stay in that game to have a
chance to win. That game, I think a Laar who
I'm told is going to enter the draft. I don't
think there's a questionable decision, but that's where that's the

(11:47):
way I'm told he's leaning. This is a big game
for a law against a very tough Oregon team.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, and then that Penn State game as well. You know,
a Duel Carter who's had a great year as a
full time edge rusher for the first time this year,
He's gonna up against Josh Connelly Junior and a John
I Cordelias, the two offensive tackles for Oregon. And I
know there are a lot of people who really like
what Connerley Junior could be at the pro level. And
you'll see some people who go, oh, man, he could

(12:13):
be a top fifty pick. And there's some people who
are kind of looking at more as sort of what
he is right now and saying, ah, he's got a
little bit of ways to go. So how he fares
against Abdul Carter could actually mean a lot. I know
it's one game, but sometimes NFL scouts nflgms, when you
play great against an laite opponents, sometimes that's the thing
that can really push you into the top fifty because
they believe in what you can be. So that's gonna

(12:33):
be a big matchup to the Moodies.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
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Learned more of Moodes dot com. Well, Tony, that was
a great segue by Trevor there. But if you want
to talk to about the offensive tackles, including Josh Connelly
on PFS big board, So Tony wants to lead us
off here?

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, Well, you know, we looked at your big board.
You got six offensive tackles in the top twenty five,
which cond of gale goes against the grain. A lot
of people have a lot of question, including myself, about
this tackle class. You know, how do you do you
rate the tackles based on the film now or what
you see now and their projection?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So I would say that it is more of of
of what I see now generally with a lot of
these players, because I do think that sometimes we get
a little too caught up. And I have had this before,
certainly as a scout in former draft classes, where I
get a little bit too caught up with yeah, but
look at what he could be, look at what he
could be, and sometimes you really just need to see

(13:32):
it from these players. And so even though there are
players on my big board, you know, even at the
very top with the offensive line class, Will Campbell, maybe
he's a guard instead of a tackle, I would try
him at guard, or I would try him at tackle
before I kick him inside the guard. I wouldn't quite
go the Peter Skronski, you're playing him at guard right
away strategy. I'd go more towards the you know, JC

(13:52):
Latham or Talise Fuanga, where you're giving these guys a
chance to offensive tackle before maybe you kick him into guard.
But Will Campbell could very well be guard. Maybe even
Kelvin Banks is the guard. We've seen that with why
Milam as well. So there's a lot of different offensive
tackles that even if you're kicking him inside. With this
class in particular, I still like who they are as players.

(14:12):
So a little bit of a debate there, but I
do like a lot of the offensive linemen, I'll just
say overall, when it comes to them versus the rest
of the guys that would be in the twenty twenty
five class.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
No, you either reading my mind or John his feet
fed you.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Him nothing.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Because my first two guys I was going to talk
about was Will Campbell and Kelvin Banks. Guards your tackles.
I agree with you about Will Campbell. People talking about
him at guard. I disagree. Put him at tackle until
he prus you can't play tackle, then you kick him
inside the guard. Kelvin Banks does kind of concern me
because I'm told, you know, he may not even be
six foot four. He's probably gonna be six to three

(14:49):
in change when he measures. Now, I mean, do you
have a problem with the guy that's, you know, six '
three and a half playing left tackle in the NFL,
assuming he has thirty four inches arms.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Right, and I think the arm length is gonna be
a big deal. But I also will factor in just
his overall athleticism, right, and I think that that means
a lot too, especially when it comes to defending the
outside shoulder. If you have the mobility, the flexibility, the
explosiveness to really get out of your stands, sometimes you
can mitigate being a little bit shorter of a player,
and a lot of times with height, obviously, you want

(15:23):
your offensive tackle to kind of be as big as possible, right,
I mean, like you want him to be a mountain.
They got to move well, of course, but you want
him to be a big guy. But the height part
of an offensive tackle, when we talk about thresholds, really
you're talking about armlinks. You want the arm length to
sort of match the higher heights. So when you see
an offensive tackle and he lines up and you go, okay,
he's six foot six, six foot seven, it's not really

(15:44):
the height part of it. It's more of the length
part of it. So as long as the arm link
checks out, which I think he's got decently long arms
for a player who I agree probably gonna show up
a shade under six foot four, he's then got the
foot speed, the balance, and the athleticism the kind of
mitigate that and make up for it as well. So
the arm length is gonna be big for me because

(16:05):
if he's got shorter arms, now we're talking about a
player who, man, Okay, he really is built much more
like a guard. He might have some extra quickness to him,
but you might just have a really damn good guard
who can move well, who can block on his own
blocking concepts to be great as a poler out into space.
Things like that. He's still somebody who I haven't gotten
to final evails for him yet. I still feel like

(16:27):
he can survive at offensive tackle at the NFL level,
but probably have a better answer once we get a
couple of months down, get these final evails on these guys.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
I'm gonna jump around a little bit. Number twenty two
is his teammate Cameron Williams. You talk about a mountain
of a man. Yeah, but he shows a little bit
of inflexibility. The mobility isn't there. He's a bit heavy footed.
Does that a concern to you or do you do?
You see those things in him? I should say no, I.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Do, and I see the struggles. And it's a great
you know question sort of coming off of asking, you know,
how do you judge these players? And Williams is more
one of those guys where I go, okay, one year
starter right at the right tackle spot, and he is
one of the younger players in this draft class if
he were to declare, But there's so much there to
like about him. It was like Amarus Mims, right, Amarius

(17:15):
Mims when he was coming out of last year's draft.
If you just looked at the tape of Amarius Mims.
There is some things that you would certainly worry about,
the penalties, hand not being exactly where he's and that's
the same thing with Cam Williams. Cam Williams got a
lot of penalties this year, whether it's holding or you know,
he's just a step behind and he's got to grab
a guy instead of being able to really shuffle and
stay in front of him. So there's a lot of

(17:35):
those issues with Cam Williams, but I do think a
lot of his issues are fixable. Sometimes the feet do
look a little heavy, and to your point, I think
it's a really good point by you. That's one of
the things that you look at and go, Okay, that
needs to get a little bit better. You do need
to be a little bit lighter on your feet here,
But it is something that you can mitigate a little bit.

(17:57):
Some guys are able to do it better than others. Cam,
though again in a class where it's not as rich
or I should say it's not as hyped or sure
thing if there is such a thing about that with
NFL drafts, as maybe last year's class, Cam is one
of those players where I go, yeah, I'd probably still
take a flyer on him, especially in an offensive tackle class.
Like we just said, there's a lot of guys who

(18:18):
you go, all right, does he a tackle? Is he guard?
You don't have to worry about whether Cam Williams is
a tackle a guard. I mean like that dude can
play offensive tackle. He's got the body type, he's got
the strength for it. The flashes are there, so that
in and of itself is also I think a reason
why you'd probably take him in the first round.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
I'll go back to Marius Mims. One of the concerns
about Mariusmis was I believe he played eight games before
he entered the draft. Right, Josh Simmons is ranked as
your number fifteen player now coming into the season, I
thought that Josh Simmons had first round potential. I like
what I saw early early in the game, before early
in the season, before he went down with that knee injury,
and that knee injury happened early. I believe the Roberg

(18:54):
game was the fourth game of the season. Obviously, why
do you have him ranked as the fifteenth player overall
player on the board?

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Honestly, footspeed, mirrorbility, that's what I like the most about him, truly,
it's that lower body athleticism with him. And the thing
that I would watch with him last year is even
when he wasn't even when it wasn't quite perfect with him,
you could tell that he was trying to process things
at a very high level. Like you could tell even

(19:22):
the reps where he might lose where ah, maybe he
just overset a little bit, gave up the inside shoulder
something like that. You could tell in his head that
he was thinking about all the things that he should
be thinking about, the foot speed, the first step exactly
where it needed to be, hitting his landmarks, making sure
his hands were up, winning with a certain punch. But
then a defensive lineman maybe just hit him with a
really good counter. And it's the way that I sort

(19:44):
of watched him process things while the play was going
on that I go, man, I like the size, I
like the movement ability, and I think that you're approaching
the game the right way. At that point in time,
I go, if you give me more snaps, if you
give me more reps. Now I think we got something
that to agree with you. You got first round potential.
And again in a class where I think offensive linemen

(20:07):
and defensive linemen are really going to own the first
round of this draft. This is somebody who if the
knee at least checks out. When we get to the
combine and we're doing rechecks and that, you know, everybody
goes like, hey, yep, you know what it's coming along, Well,
everything's going great, no complications, nothing like that. Even if
he's not ready for week one, they're week one thing.
I agree with you, I think it's a little overblown.

(20:27):
It's like, make sure the guy is good to go
and ready to go, because I think just the way
that he approaches pass blocking in particular is a really
good skill set that we see with his tape.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Already a lot of people like this player. I'm on
the outside looking and maybe I'm wrong. We'll see Wyatt
Millimum of West Virginia to tackle. What do you like
about him? He's your eighteenth rated player.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I think that he is like Will Campbell, but I
don't even want to say like a Will Campbell light
but it's sort of that same archetype where these are
bigger players but might lack a little bit of arm length,
and I don't think his feet move quite as quick
as Will Campbell's do. But I think the guy just
knows how to play offensive line. I really do. He's
got one of the highest pass blocking and run blocking

(21:09):
grades that we've got in PFF so far this season
dem near elite as a PFF pass blocker, has not
given up many pressures. I don't know if he's given
up a single sack of this season. I can't remember
off the top of my head. Haven't checked it in
a couple of weeks. But I mean he has been
a stone wall there for them. And so just again,
the way that he approaches pass blocking to me, is
so advanced in what he is able to do. I

(21:30):
think that he's if you want to kick him in
guard into guard, I think that he'd be a fantastic
guard at the NFL level. And again we talk about
guys having higher floors. You know, John mentioned, are teams
going to gravitate towards higher floors this year as opposed
to maybe taking the chances of flyers with players with
maybe a little bit higher ceiling. To me, Milam is
going to resonate with a lot of teams that might say, hey,

(21:52):
it's not the best draft class in the world, let
me go get a guy that I know is going
to be a starter for me in my opinion. Why
Milam is that because of how how he processes things
and how smart he is with how he's attacking those
pass rushers, even with maybe a little bit of physical
limitations to him.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
A guy you mentioned earlier that we're going to disagree
on Josh Connelly of Oregon. I love Josh Connelly. I
think he's got first round potential. I think his top
fifteen fifty pick, top forty five pick, you got him
ranked as one hundred and fourteen. I see a lot
of Kelvin Banks and Josh Connelly. I see the mobility.
I see the agility. I see the ability to slide
out in pass protection, get out on the second level.
I think he's going to be guard like Kelvin Banks.

(22:29):
It's going to be his own blocking guard. What is
it about Josh Connelly that you don't like that you
have him outside your top one hundred.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
So I did not love him coming into the season
because last year's tape I thought was really raw, you
know where. I looked at Kelvin Banks and I said, Okay,
he's got some rawness to his film. But I think
he was a little bit even further along certainly, I
shouldn't even say a little bit. He was quite a
bit more further along, in my opinion in somebody who
I felt better about his NFL projection than Connory. He
has been better as of late. I think he was

(22:57):
off to a little bit of a slow start to
this season and sort of when we get back to
offensive tackle reviews, I think he could certainly make a
jump into my top one hundred, maybe even top seventy five.
But I just had some concerns with him about how
he was processing path strushes coming at him. I felt
like he would give up his inside shoulder a little
bit too much. Sometimes I felt like he struggled with strength,
you know, sometimes a little bit. I feel like that

(23:18):
with Calvin Banks two, they're a little bit too finesse.
And when you're a little bit too finess as a
as an offensive tackle man, that just it gives me
a little cause for concern. Because it's a powerful players
game at the NFL level. We are seeing that you
have there is a prerequisite for power at the NFL level,
and going into this season, and even at the beginning
of the season, I didn't feel like Connorley was playing

(23:41):
with that power that I wanted to see him play with.
So I think just looking at the grades and his
performances over the last couple of weeks, it feels like
he's playing better in that regard. But we'll get to
his tape in the final reviews. But that's ultimately why
he has been lower for me than others is I've
got a little bit of concerns that he might be
a little bit too finesse for the NFL level A.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Right, Trevor, I want to ask about this class overall, and.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
This is what I threw this through this year earlier
this week's to be ready for the question if you
take last year's class combined with this year's class of
the top twenty picks, how many of those guys would
come from the twenty twenty five draft class.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's a fantastic question, right,
And it's one of the questions that it's sort of
one of the first ones that we get dassed every
year because people want to have a good idea of like, Okay,
you're talking to me about this guy being good, this
guy being good, but how good like compared it to
last year's class. I think there are six or seven
players I would say that I would take from this
year's class to last year's class. Travis Hunter is one

(24:38):
of them, Mason Graham is another. Ashton Genty is another
Abdual Carter. So that's four that I think we would
get into the top forty. Then I think we're talking
about Will Johnson and Tetro McMillan as the six. Tetro
McMillan is probably the one that you know the more
I kind of watch of him. I like him a lot. Obviously,
it was a star studded wide receiver class last year,

(24:59):
so maybe that skews where I might have put him
in the top twenty. But I looked at my top
twenty big board from last year and then I compared
it with this year, and I started to put these
guys a little bit in the list, and so I
would say six or seven players from this year that
I would get into the top twenty of last year.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And I think it's telling you did not mention a
quarterback in your list of players, and that's where I
want to take you next. You have Jilan Milroe as
your number one quarterback, and now you can work closing quick.
I think he's right next to him on the board right,
and then you have Shodor Standers a few spots back.
When you look at this quarterback class, we had Dan
Bruglan a couple weeks ago he said he'd have this
year's class in that Pennix Knicks area time to time

(25:35):
of that range.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I know you were a big Knicks guy last year.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
You must love watching the Broncos as you must be
patting yourself in the back all day long. But why
Milroe ahead of those other two guys? And I know
this is your big board. They're gonna get picked higher
than that, That's just the way they go. But what
are your concerns with this class in general? And why
do you have Milray ahead of those other two guys
right now?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah? Overall? I mean if you were asking me, like, hey,
which quarterbacks go in the first round as of right
now will recording this obviously early December, I would tell
you that Shadur Sanders and cam Ward are going to
be the two quarterbacks that I think go in the
first round. I don't know if we get any other
quarterbacks in the first round. I like Milroe a lot,
and I would say that I like Milroe's potential a lot,
and in a quarterback class where I feel like I've

(26:14):
got to bet on potential because that's how you got
to set up these conversations with these quarterbacks. None of
them are, like you said, the guys from last year's class,
Jade and Caleb Williams, Drake may like, none of them
are those guys in a lot of ways. They're not
even Pennix and Nicks and how established those players were
coming out of college to the NFL level. So if
you know that none of these quarterbacks have that type

(26:37):
of hype, well then at that point you got to
sort of look at what they are and what they
could be. Cam Ward, it's been fantastic this year with
the big time throws, but the turnover worthy plays and
just those crazy throws, those Jameis Winston or will Levis
type decisions from him. They have existed throughout his entire
college football career, from Incarnate Word to Washington State to
even now with Miami. Now the good is outweighing the

(26:59):
bad still with cam Ward this season, I want to
make that very clear. And he gives you that big
game hunter mentality to play the quarterback position the way
you need to to win games in the NFL. But man,
there is still that drawback for him of thinking that
he can get away with passes that you just absolutely
cannot at the NFL level. If he improves in that regard, okay,
but that's still when you look at that's been his

(27:19):
nature the whole time. It's tough to really get that
out of somebody. Shador Sanders and I'm just comparing these
guys before I get the Milrow. Shador Sanders, I think
he operates the pocket pretty well, but his pressure to
sack ratio has been really high over the last couple
of years. I think he handles pressure well. I think
he's got a handful of big time throws. He understands
how to play that quarterback position, especially in the biggest moments.
But I don't think that Chudor has the best arm.

(27:42):
I really don't. I mean my comfer Shudor coming out
is Teddy Bridgewater right now. And I love Teddy like
Teddy was great. When Teddy was coming out of Louisville,
he was a nails thrower. I mean when his back
was against the wall, I mean he could make the
big time throw for you. He'd take the hint he'd
delivered the throw, and if that's sort of what you
want from the quarterback position, obviously should gives you the
ability to do that. But Teddy in not the best

(28:04):
arm in the world. You know, is more of a
step down, maybe a Tier three arm for the NFL level,
And I think that that's kind of where we're at
with Shador Sanders. He might be a little bit limited
when it comes to that overall arm talent. Milroe I
think is the biggest project of the three quarterbacks that
we're talking about here. He is the most inconsistent right now.
But if I'm going to take a bet on a guy,
Milroe is somebody who won. He gives you the dual

(28:25):
threat ability of where the game is going, getting more
dual threat ability from the rush from the from the
quarterback position. When it comes to utilizing their legs, I
don't worry about his arm talent. I think the guy's
got a cannon of an arm, you know, when it
comes to distance and velocity, which I think is very
very important. And I just think that, you know, when
I've this is a big part of it too, And
this is the part of the puzzle that is often

(28:48):
the most clouded when we sort of on this side
of things go through the draft process, you don't really
get to sit down with these guys and get to
know them as much as you would And for the
quarterback position, it's paramount that you have to get to
know who these players are. From getting coached by Nick
Saban to the things that I've heard from Jalen Milroe
this season, he seems like somebody who is just incredibly focused,

(29:08):
incredibly team centric human. He does what he wants, what
he needs to do for the team to win, and
he just seems like somebody who is going to strive
to be the best version of themselves at all times.
And that work ethic is so important for having a
franchise caliber quarterback. And everything that I have heard and
read and watched the Jalen Milroe when it comes to

(29:29):
when the helmet comes off, tells me that he is
going to work to get to that point. So now
I feel a little bit safer in saying, all right, well,
I need him to get better, but I think he's
got the mentality to want to get better as well.
So it's a lot of those things. Milroe, I understand,
is sort of the biggest wild card of all of this.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Now, Tony loves It's not just you. Tony loves him some.
Jalen Milroe, He's on board with you.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
But I'm saying, like, if I've got a bet on
one of these guys, give me the guy who I
don't have to worry about when it comes to arm talent.
Gives you the dual threat of Bill and somebody who
has been saying a lot of the right things over
the last couple of years to give you that perseverance,
that work ethic that you need to be a franchise
quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Well, let me ask you about Milroe because it's John
Tolly's From our first show this season, I was all
over him. I thought he had the ability to make
a Jaden Daniels type of jump to the top of
the draft. That's not going to happen. But watching in
the past couple of weeks, there's a concerning that he
seems to be relying more on his running ability than
his passing ability. I mean, his running numbers are great,
his passing numbers is stagnant. And I agree with you,

(30:30):
he is an incredible leader and everything you hear about him.
But my concern is, you know, on a Sunday afternoon,
if the arm's not there, if he's not into a groove,
he realizes more on his running ability, which is nice,
but when that is predominant, or that is your main
avenue of gaining yardage as a quarterback, that could lead

(30:51):
to disaster.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
No, I do agree with you there. I mean probably
the working comp right now for him is justin fields
right where you have a flow of how good you
are as a rushing threat as a quarterback. But there's
no doubt about it. You have to be able to
throw the ball in the NFL to be a successful quarterback,
and you have to be able to get to that point.

(31:12):
So it does worry me, and that's sort of why
I have. I have more reservations now which Jaylen Milroe
towards the end of the season than I did at
the beginning. I mean, the Georgia game was incredible. I
watched the Georgia game and even the Vanderbilt game after that.
They lose that Vanderbilt game, but Milroe was fantastic. And
it's those two games that you watch him put throw
after throw together and you go, okay, well again, if

(31:33):
you give me the rushing ability this guy has, and
you give me this type of passing ability. Now we're
talking about a QB one type of a guy. But
over the last couple of weeks, you know, the Oklahoma game,
the last few games, you're right where he's relied much
more as a runner to be successful. It does worry
me a little bit. Now I'm curious to see. It
looks like they're gonna make the college football Playoff, So
it looks like we're gonna get at least one more

(31:55):
game out of him. What does that look like in
what is the biggest game of the year. And more important,
I think this is this is a this is a
key part of it too. You talk about him being
more of a rushing threat. I wonder if that's the
game plan, right. I wonder if the coaches are saying, hey,
maybe behind the scenes, you know, maybe you don't just
you don't say this to him outright, but you go like, hey,

(32:16):
we need to run the ball more with Jalen, then
we need to throw the ball with him. And I
think that could be you know, a little bit of
an indictment as well. What's the game plan look like
with Jalen Milroe if they end up getting into the
college football Playoff and playing one of those games, because
he needs if he's gonna be QB one in this class,
in my opinion, he needs another game where he can
show you what he can do with his arm. And

(32:37):
if he doesn't get that in whatever this next college
football playoff opportunity is, I don't know if he's going
to have enough team to go number one to be
the first quarterback off the.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Board, Final one, Krev.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
And then Tony has a bunch of individuals he wants
to get to really fast. Last one for me, we
talked about kind of maybe looking for higher floor rather
than higher ceiling. I think this might also be the
all right, maybe we will take a safety in the
top ten. All right, maybe we will take a running
back in the top ten. You know, xt year's class
was littered with premium players at premium positions, right, whether
we're wide receiver, quarterback, offensive tackle. You don't see that

(33:07):
this year, So I do won their teams are just
gonna say, you know what, I'm gonna get a good player,
even if it's not a premium spot. At least I
know this guy is going to be very good.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah. No, I think that that could absolutely be the case.
And you got two great examples in ash Gent, which
we've already talked about, and Malchi Starks from Georgia as safeties.
And you often see those guys and you go, okay, well,
safety is running backs. You can kind of get them
whenever you don't need to draft him in the first round.
I think that both of those guys are going to
be first round picks when it's all said and done,
because of not only how talented they are. But you're right,
it's not exactly littered with all sorts of premium positions.

(33:36):
I'll tell you this too. I mean, we might get
two tight ends in the first round. You know, we
might get Kolston Loveland and Tyler Warren. They might make
it in the first round.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And then defensive tackles too, that that's an un sexy position,
but there's gonna be a.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Lot of DT's picked, a lot of DT's picked. I mean,
Mason Graham, we talked about Kenneth Grant, you know, Walter Nolan.
Whether you view him as more of an odd front
defensive end or you view him as a true interior
defensive tackle for an even front, you know, like he is.
Somebody who's on the rise as well, Derek Harmon from Oregon,
who I'm a little bit lower on, but it's certainly
having a phenomenal year. He can get himself very high
into the top fifty. There's no doubt about that with

(34:07):
how we hear conversations. But even beyond round one, with
the tight end class, I think it's a great year.
You need a tight end, and a lot of people
just sort of think about that position as an afterthought.
But Gunner, Helm Eli Stowers, Mason Taylor, Harold Fannin Like,
there is a lot of tight ends to really like
in this class, so it feels like a pretty good
year to need. Like a running back. It's a very
deep running back class beyond gent, but tight end as well.

(34:29):
Maybe a lot of those quote unquote unsexy positions he
can get those throughout rounds two and three.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
I agree with you on Harmon. I mean, some people
talking about him his top fifteen pick. He's nice, but
I just don't see it go through a couple of
individual players for you. Mecchabuke, the wide receiver from Ohio State,
he is your number sixteen player. I just don't see it.
I thought maybe last year going through the year, he
could be a potential first round pick with second fiddle

(34:56):
to Marvin Harrison, last year with second fiddle to his
second fid ol to Jeremiah Smith. This year at loses
out to Carneal Tate. I think he's a nice complementary
receiver in a bouquet what what what does he show? Well,
what does he have that you have that gives you?
Gives him that fifteenth ranking for you.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
There's too many times I watch Agbuka where I can't
help but think of either Dj Moore or Amon Ross
Saint Brown. There's just too many times that I watch
him where I think of those two receivers for me
to have him too much lower. And you know, DJ
Moore obviously is somebody who was drafted a lot higher.
But you know, a'man Ross Saint Brown, somebody who's drafted
a lot lower who has certainly become one of the

(35:35):
best wide receivers in the NFL. And if Buka is
somebody who sort of your your your point in your evaluation,
not to discredit it at all, like he doesn't quite
blow you away in really any category, but I feel
like he just he is somebody who understands how to
win at the position so well, and if he continues
to have that sort of work ethic, because let's be
very clear, i'mon Ross Saint Brown is very talented, but

(35:57):
just like Puka Nakua, the reason why he is this
productive he is is because he wants it more than
anybody else. It feels like he has worked so hard
to get every single ounce out of his talent that
he has had in the NFL, and we're obviously seeing
an unbelievable, unbelievably productive player if Buca sort of has
that sort of mentality. In my opinion, he does so
many things well. He's got the quick feet, he's got

(36:18):
the good route running savviness, he knows how to sit
in zone, he's got reliable hands, and he's a little
bit bigger than Amaras Saint Brown is as well. Is
he the twitchiest guy, Is he the fastest guy? Is
he the biggest guy? No, but I do think he
has really well rounded games. Sometimes that can end up
in a very productive player, like I'm on Ross Saint Brown.
Sometimes it can make you jag ad just a guy,
as they we'll say in the scouting world. But I

(36:41):
think at BUCA very clearly, with him being in my
top twenty is more towards that. I'm on Ross Saint
Brown type of archetype.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
You got Shann ARVELI cornerback from East Carolina at number
thirty five. The guy's got incredible size, speed numbers. I
thought he showed a lot of development in his game
of progress in his ball skills early on before he
went down with that knee injury in practice. Is the
thirty five thirty fifth ranking based on the fact that
he only played a short amount of games this season.

(37:10):
I agree with it, but you know, it's sort of
like Josh Simmons. I think if Ravel had a full
season behind him and kept progressing, we're talking about him
as a top twenty player in this draft.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's hard for corner right one. He's coming off an
ACL injury, and ACL obviously means a lot for a
position that demands athleticism, and he's incredibly athletic. I watched
him over the summer and I was like, Okay, all right,
we got something here. I mean, this dude has the size,
he's got the fluidity, he's twitched up, he's got that
overall athleticism. I mean when you watch him, though it's
not like his game is totally perfect right now, I

(37:43):
still think he at times is reacting in state of
anticipating and he's relying on that athleticism that size to
sort of make up for it. Like Tarik Wooland is
a player like that. At the NFL level, Well, Tarik
Woolman will give you some incredible plays because of how
big and how fast and how athletic he is. But
there are other times where we've seen, even this season,
some games where Rulings really struggling because he's failing to

(38:04):
anticipate and instead he's just reacting and saying, well, I'm
big and fast enough to be able to react to
this guy and make a play on the ball. At
the NFL level, it's not always a guarantee. I like
how Revel started this season, there's no doubt about it.
But it's hard for me to look at how he
played in his first couple of games and say, okay,
get well, if we just project out a full season

(38:26):
of that, because as you guys both know, Horner is
so up and down naturally. I mean, we're looking at it,
look at Sauce Gardner right was the best corner in football,
it felt like for two straight years and now this
year fully healthy. Nonehing wrong with him, just a down year.
It's just hard to play the position that consistently, and
for Chavon Revel, he gives you a lot of what

(38:46):
you would want. But I still think that anticipation part
of his game is something that needs to improve, and
I just haven't seen it consistently from him him being
that dominant player with all of that athletics. So that's
why I think he certainly if you told me, hey,
I'm gonna take a bet on him in the first round,
I'd go, Okay, totally, I get it. But that's why

(39:07):
he stacks up more as that early second, late first
round fringe type of a player, where I've also seen
him much higher on big bars from other people that
I respect.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Ashton Jillette, the defensive lineman from Louisville. You have number
forty five. I thought top forty five coming into the
season was an absolute possibility for him. But he's fallen
off the face of the earth, it seems. I mean,
his production has you know, it is a fraction of
what it was a year ago. What is it this year,
especially compared to last year that keeps in your mind,

(39:37):
keeps him as the forty fifth best player in the draft.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Going back to what we were talking about with offensive
tackle play, when you play in the trenches, power is
a prerequisite, and nobody plays with more power, it feels
like consistently than this dude. I mean, his legs, his
butt are tree trunks. He has got this low leverage.
He knows how to keep his pad level low and
when he fires off the line of scrimmage. Something that
I noted with his scouting when we were doing summer

(40:01):
scouting is I'm like, Okay, I love that you play physical.
Sometimes you're more focused on hitting the offensive lineman than
you are getting to the quarterback as quickly as possible.
But it's one of those things where it's like, all right, well,
I still like that about you, that you're able to
do something like that. But the bull rush, the stack
and shed ability, I mean just the power, the speed
of power that this guy has. He's not Jared Verse,

(40:22):
but we're seeing right now, like when you have a
powerful profile to you at that type of a level,
we're seeing what a Jared Verse could be in the NFL.
And again, I'm not saying that Julotti is the exact
same as Jared Verse, but it is sort of. He
approaches the game the same way that Verse does in
that I just want to run straight through your chest
at all times. He's never afraid to be physical, and so, yeah,

(40:44):
the production is down a little bit, but I've still
got faith in who the player is and how much
power he plays with.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Go back to Ohio State. Why Jack Sawyer over JT
two and Melowa.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Over the last couple of years, he's just been a
lot more productive system like, He's just been a much
higher passers win percentage player. He's been a better run defender,
he's got more solo stops. He's somebody who I just
think has a little bit better hand usage. Although I
will say I feel like Tom Miloaa has had a
little bit better hand usage. He's been able to stay
clean a little bit more this year. And so Touey Moloaw,
I agree with you. I don't think that he's going

(41:18):
to be a first round pick. He's solidified himself somewhere
within day two. But Jack Sawyer to me is somebody
who I still think he's got that shot to be
a first round pick because of how well he has
graded on a play by play basis throughout this season.
Six five, two hundred and sixty five pounds. I mean,
he's got the NFL size to play as that four
to three defensive end. He's not the tweitchiest dude. He's

(41:39):
not the bendiest dude. But he's very scheme versatile in
what you would want him to do. Some teams are
going to love that. Some teams are going to want
more of a streamline sort of position for him. But
to me, just that versatility and that floor of how
well he has played over the last two years. Almost
an elite overall grade in our system over these last
two years because of how consistent he has been. That's
why I've got swayer over Toymlow.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Talk about two small school offensive linemen that are in
your top one hundred, is Abel of North Dakota State
to tackle and Charles Grant of william and Mary the
offensive tackle college offensive tackles. Are they going to be
offensive tackles on Sunday or are they going to be guards?

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Probably not you. I think that Zabels to me is
going to follow the gram Barton path and I don't
know if that means specifically at center, but when I
watch him, it's so hard to not see Graham Barton
because they play the game the same way. And the
first couple of things that you would write down for
the strengths of their scouting report is vice grips four hands.
When Zabel gets his hands on you up and inside,

(42:37):
which he often does, he ain't letting go. I mean
he's got a great course strength to him as well.
He comes from and I know that teams are gonna
love this. He won three straight championships when he was
in high school, goes to an incredibly successful program in
North Dakota State, and is able to develop into a
starting offensive lineman there. Winner in high school, successful in
high school, winner in college, successful in college. So the

(42:57):
NFL is going to love that part of him that
he just knows how to win at the trench spot.
You mentioned he plays left tackle right now, I don't
think he's going to be an offensive tackle at the
NFL level. I think he's going to be a guard,
perhaps the center. But I think the same with with
Charles Grant from William and Mary as well. He is
very clearly. You turn on his tape. Basically any game
you watch, you go, Okay, that's an NFL player playing

(43:20):
against the guys that probably aren't going to make it
at a pro level. And it's just very easy to
see that he's got the ideal build. He's got that
ideal I think movement skills at the at the offensive
tackle position for where he is playing right now, but
I think those movement skills also translate inside. I've heard
I didn't think about this, but I've heard people talk
about him at center, and he's going to the Senior Bowl.

(43:41):
We're going to get to see him at the Senior Bowl.
And like we've seen with you know, like guys like
like Cody Mack and and and and Graham Barton and
like players like that, Like they will play these guys
at a bunch of different positions, and I think that
Grant is going to be one of those guys that
you want to key on because where are they putting him?
And I think he's going to be able to get
a chance to play center. And I'm really curious as

(44:02):
to what he's gonna be like a center, because as
a polar as a zone blocker, like I think he
moved super well. And if he was in the middle
of that offensive line and he's good with snapping the football,
I think that again, that's just those movement skills are
very enticing to me with him as an interior player,
perhaps even in the center.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yeah, the lack of size is an issue for granted.
I'll tell everybody if you can go back and watch
that North Dakota State Colorado game, because Zabel was outstanding
in that game. I mean, he really stepped up. Final
guy for me, somebody I really like a lot talked
about him over the summer. No one was paying attention
to him. Transfer from New Mexico State to Vanderbilt. Eli Stowers,
I mean, a real athletic move sort of tight end

(44:44):
who catches the ball. Well, it's under the radar. Guy
he is going to trying game. I'm glad to see
you had him in your top eighty. Is he a blocker?
Is he move tight end? Is he guy you're gonna
line up the slot, you're gonna put motion? Can you
do all those things with them? But what do you
think about.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I think he could be really flexible with him, but
where he's gonna you know, butter his bread, if you will,
is going to be as a receiver and as an athlete.
You know, his story is funny. You know you mentioned
that he comes over from New Mexico State. You know,
so did Diego Pavia, the quarterback who is at Vanderbilt.
And when both of those guys were at New Mexico State,
Eli Stowers was actually a quarterback at first and Diego
Pavia beat him out for the quarterback job. And it

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was then at that point that Stowers is like, Okay,
well I want to get on the football field. They
try him out at tight end and he plays very
well at tight end while he was there. Both of
those guys transfer over to Vanderbilt, and very clearly the
chemistry is there. And even in some of Pavia's biggest
games in the early parts of this season, he continually
praised Stowers and said, dude, that dad is an NFL player,
Like that is the dude who helps me make the
offense go. And I agree with him as when it

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comes to yards after catch and matching up against safeties
and linebackers, like normally, he's just too quick, he's too athletic,
he's got great hands, and when you can play the
quarterback position. You normally you're coming from a high school
background where you're the best athlete on the field, and
they probably just want to get you the ball in
your hands as much as possible. That was probably still
the case when he was at New Mexico State. He
just loses the job out to Diego Pave and then

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they go, dude, you're so athletic, we got to get
you on the field. Let's put you a tight end.
And we talk about that with quarterbacks sometimes, but this,
to me is an actual success story. This is somebody
who has embraced what it's like to play tight end.
And he's only been playing full time tight end for
a couple of years. So you think he gets into
the NFL really starts to get his feet solidified and
cemented into the position. I think he could be a

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really nice receiving tight end for some team at the
NFL level.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Again, the main those guys transferring to Vanderbilt, which Jerry
killed a coach who was in.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yep, surev You're awesome at this. You're a gentleman.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Appreciate the time my friend tell us about some of
those thousands of podcasts you're doing over at PFF, so
people know where to find you.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, all day, every day, it feels like. Over on
the PFF YouTube channel, you can see all the preview
and review shows. We're previewing every single game, We're reviewing
every single game. We've got a couple of specialized shows,
a Quarterback Specialized Show with Seth Galina and the Trenches
Show with Ali Conley, a rookie review with John Ledyard
that we do every single week, and those shows are
a lot of fun. And then, of course, if the
NFL Draft is your is your main focus, the NFL

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Stock Exchanged Podcast with myself and Connor Rogers for having
a lot of fun doing that. And we're just about
to dig into these early position rankings where we're starting
to do a lot of the final film evous now
that the regular season is done in college football, so
that's coming a little bit later this month and as
we get up to All Star weekend, when we get
to the end of January, d.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I have enjoy the holidays, enjoy the new year, and
we'll catch up back with you once the season's over,
my friend.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Thank you, appreciate it.

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Guys anytime.

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Speaker 4 (47:41):
Everybody,