Draft Season | Senior Bowl Preview

John Schmeelk and Tony Pauline discuss every position group at the Senior Bowl, talk about who could rise up draft boards, and make predictions on first round picks.

:00 - Quarterbacks

6:29 - Running backs

11:41 - Tight ends

17:13 - Wide receivers

20:10 - Offensive line

22:58 - Defensive line

31:24 - Defensive backs

33:05 - First round grades

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's now officially open. This is Draft Season. John Smelt
Tony Pauline with you. It's all brought to you by Moody's,
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can find all his work over at sports Kita. Folks,

(00:24):
if you missed it, go back to our previous episode.
We talk about the college football playoffs. We talk about
the players at the Shrine game. We're recording this a
week before it airs. It's gonna air on the last
Monday in January. We were recording it the week prior,
so just note some of the players we talk about
might back out at some point and they might not
be participating. They might be players we don't mention that

(00:45):
come in late and are participating, like those players in
the National Championship Game. So just keep that in mind
moving forward. The video will just be the Senior Bowl preview.
If you're watching this on the Giants YouTube channel. If
you want on the audio version of this podcast over
at the Draft Season Audio podcast feed. Also the Giants Podcast,
network Feed, Giants dot Com, Slash Podcast Giants app. The

(01:05):
audio version is also gonna have something on the back
end of this which will probably be twenty minutes or
so of Tony and I breaking down what we saw
at Shrine Bowl practice over the weekend. That's obviously not
recorded yet because that happens in the future, but we
will add that on to this. We'll record that on
Sunday afternoon, and Tony and I will talk about that,
and that'll be on the audio version of this podcast.

(01:26):
If you guys want to go and check that out,
or if you're on the audio version, just stay tuned
and it'll be with you at the very end of
this episode. But for today, we're gonna preview the Senior
Ball and Tony I think last year, I believe it
was a record ten Senior Bowl participants went in the
first round of the NFL Draft. Given the nature of
this class and how many people are showing up to
the Senior Bowl in order to try to secure their

(01:47):
spot in this draft, I think we might go over
ten this year. To be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot to be excited about.
You look at some of the quarterbacks. You look at
some of the past catchers and tight ends, you look
at the offensive lineman, you look at the defensive lineman.
I mean there is a lot of There will be
a lot of talent on the field that the South
Alabama field. Jim Nagy did a great job this year.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
All right, So for Ben to prepare yourself at the
end of this, Tony, I'm gonna ask you how many
and you're gonna tell me who and which guys from
the Senior Bowl will go in the first round. So
Nike note as we go I will test you at
the end of the podcast with that question. All right,
let's start the quarterbacks, and it's headlined by your guy,
Jamn Milroe out of Alabama. Riley Leonard, Will Howard are

(02:33):
supposed to be there. Just a really good group. You
have Jackson Dark from Ole, miss He's exciting. We talked
about the Louisville quarterback as well, Tyler Show, who is
a lot of talent, is just you know, really an
older prospect, but a really good player. So just doing
Gabriel who was obviously running for the Heisman. So a
lot of really good players at this quarterback position. You know,

(02:55):
a lot of times. Sometimes you get to that third
or fourth quarterback on each team and you kind of
got on out that to Porne to watch this guy.
People are going to be leaning forward and watching every
one of these quarterback reps because a lot of these
guys could be gone by round three or four.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Starting with Jaylen Milroe, who I think could be gone
by the middle of the first round. Remember, you know,
the last Alabama quarterback that went to the Senior Bowl
and knocked out of the park was Mac Jones. And I
would have never thought it, but leaving the Senior Ball,
everyone thought that Mac Jones was the first round picky
and up in the middle of the first round for
better or worse. But that shows you the power of
the Senior Bowl. And I think with Jaylen Miller, it's
gonna be very interesting. He's got to be precise with

(03:30):
his passes. He's got to show downfield accuracy. In my opinion,
he's as talent, physically talented, gifted as any of the
top quarterbacks in Austrail. He's got a great arm. We've
seen him take over games running the ball. We've seen him,
you know, in the early game against Georgia basically destroyed
Georgia early on with his arm and then come back
late in the game and win the game with his arm.

(03:50):
But it's the consistency or the lack therewob that has
really hurt Jaylen Miller. So I think with Milroe, you
want to see consistent accuracy, especially down in the field.
That will be the difference for him being maybe a
late first round pick as opposed to a mid first
round pick. You know, he is a leader, He's a
guy that's got a lot of high character. We talk
about the Senior Bowl, we talk about the combine. One

(04:12):
of the things that's most important about the Senior Bowl
are the interviews. I mean, you go back to Phil
Savage when he ran the Senior Bowl and he set
up that whole interview process to make it combined. Like
that's going to be very important for Milroe as well.
Although I think he's going you'll do a good job there,
Riley Leonard. If he plays, because you know his season
ended so late with the National Talk Game, if he's

(04:34):
not banged up again, you want to see some accuracy.
You want to see him be able to throw the
ball accurately, rolling out on the move. You know, he's
a leader. You know he's athletic, you know he's got
the arm strength. So everything should aligned well for Riley
Leonard in this sort of situation, as it should for
Will Howard of Ohio State, because you know this is
perfect for Will Howard. Will Howard's the biggest problem with

(04:56):
his game as far as I'm concerned, is the fact
that he really doesn't turn his well quick enough from
the primary target. So when he's in those one on ones,
when he's in those five on fives, I mean, he's
got the armstrong to make all the throws. He's got
decent accuracy. The pass catchers are not twisting in the
wind to catch his passes. So these are set up
for perfectly for Will Howard to really show up draft boards.

(05:19):
And then Jackson Dart. I mean, here's a guy a
lot of people didn't talk about too much coming in
the season. As far as an earlier on pick. I
always had him as a Day two pick. He could
go earlier. I think with Jackson Dart, we want to
see his arm strength. We know he's accurate, we know
he put the next to football. Can he drive the
passes downfield with speed? If he does that, I think

(05:41):
there's a chance Jackson Dart could end up his late
first round pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think him and Dylan Gabriel with the two most
in terms of production, right called productive quarterbacks in college.
You mentioned what you want to see out of Dart,
how about Gabriel? What is it the same deal? You
want to see some of those some of those tools
and in quarterback tools, arm strength, Scott's want to see
at him two.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean the question with Dylan Gabriel is
is he a Baker Mayfield type where he could be
a number one quarterback or is he always going to
be a number three quarterback? I think that's what that's
the difference is he's always been super productive and he's
got it going on between the years. He does a
great job running the offense. He always has. He did it,
Oklahoma did it, Central Florida did it, Oklahoma did this

(06:19):
year at Oregon. Doesn't have a big time arm so
you want to see the arms, especially rolling out. You
know when he's rolling out to his right, is he
or left? Is he losing a lot of speed on passes?
Is he losing accuracy on passes? Because a smaller quarterback
like that, he's got to play from the pocket, but
you're also going to roll him outside and have him
throwing the move a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
All right, Tony, You've been doing this a lot longer
than me, But this, to me is easily the best
running back class I've ever seen in an All Star
Game in my time going to these games, and I've
been going on those six seven I got a look
six seven years now something like that. But man, there
are six seven, eight running backs here that are all
legitimate NFL players. I'll let you start wherever you want

(07:02):
to start, my friend.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, I'll start with the You know, it's it's very unusual.
And I've been on the senior ball since two thousand,
so it gives you an idea. How will I him?
It's very unusual for a running back to make a
big move up draft boards off of the Senior Bowl
because you know, there's only so much hitting. You you
look at the pass catching skills and the blocking skills.
But I agree with you. I mean, this is this

(07:24):
is a territoric class. You look at the small school guys.
You got to start off with Marcus Yarns of Delaware.
I mean, if you're looking for a quart atypical third
down type, back, it's Marcus Yarns because he is as
good catching the ball on the backfield as he is
when the ball is handed off to him. He's a
smaller guy, he's creative, and he's only a situational player,

(07:45):
but he's very good in all those situations. Was injured
last year, didn't have the year a lot of people
had expected or hopeful because of an injury, but he
can do a little bit of everything, and he's built
for today's NFL. Then you go to Damian Martinez, in
my opinion, and the most underrated back in this year's draft,
was a monster at Oregon State last year, transferred to

(08:06):
Miami that had three good backs, he being one of
them on the depth chart. Didn't get the carries that
he expected, which means he didn't get the production, which
may not be a bad thing, because you know, you
don't want a running back coming into the draft when
he's had two hundred and fifty three hundred carries a
lot of mileage on the body there. But when you
watch Damian Martinez, he's smart, he's got great vision, he's patient.

(08:31):
He's a bigger two hundred and thirty pound back that
also runs like a two hundred and fifteen pound back
in a sense that he can run over you, he
can run around you, he can make you miss. He's creative,
and he's also a good pass catcher of the backfield,
even though they didn't throw the ball to him that
much at Miami last year. So I love Dan Martinez.
I think I love his overall game. I would want

(08:52):
to watch him catch the house CEO he does catching
the ball in the backfield, see him in those blocking drills.
Also watch how many times he makes defenders miss. And
then the last guy. Last guy was a couple of
the guys you know, Donovan Edwards of Michigan. We were
both very high on him last year. He showed some
incredible talent, kind of really took a step back this year.
I think runs a little bit tall. You want to

(09:12):
see if he's running with good leaning behind his pads
when he marks. The Mississippi State transfer went to USC
I think is underrated. Quick, explosive, creative, also a sensational
pass catcher out of the backfield. The Quin Allen of Syracuse,
He's a phenomenal pass catcher at the backfield. He's not
very creative. He's a really better downhill between the tackles.

(09:33):
When you Troy, when he tries to turn the corner,
he loses a lot of speed and momentum and quickness.
He's not going to make defenders miss, He's not going
to improvise on plays break down, but he is a
master who catches the ball incredibly well. And then Trevor
Atn who spoke about a week ago when we previewed
the underclassroom. I think coming into the season, both of
us were very high on atm very creative, a guy

(09:53):
that you can do a lot of different things with.
Really didn't have the season he was expected to have
it Georgia because of injury, because the suspension surprise, he
entered the draft. He's got a lot on riding on
my mind at the senior ball.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
All right, I want to throw a couple of runnings
out there. Do you think that Edwards' teammate Khlil Mullins
is actually a more highly ranked prospect than Edwards is
right now.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Right right now, absolutely, I mean he had a much
better year. He showed much more improvement in this game.
He's a powerful guy, but also he's got excellent short
area of quickness. I mean Michigan especially in that Ohio
State game, went to him when they needed a big
run and he delivered. So I would say absolutely because
Edwards is not as highly rated as it was a
year ago, whereas his teammate is much higher rated, shown

(10:40):
much more progress in this game.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
All Right. The three other guys I want to touch on,
which I know seems crazy. I Alas, I want to
mention him. You don't touch on it if you want.
Devin Neil, who was just extremely productive at Candas Right,
you watch him on tape. You don't see anything that
jumps out on the spectacular, but just a really solid
all around player. Ali Gordon, I know, was a guy
that some people had in the top three running back
mix before for the year. I was never in that group,

(11:02):
but he I think had a bit of a disappointing year.
And then RJ. Harvey, who you know at es Central Florida, Tony.
I watched him last week. That dude is explosive. He
is fast. He is gonna be a lot of fun
to watch.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Beats defenders into the open field and can take it
to the house and run the day life. He's also
got some creativity in his ball carrying. Good to see
him in this game. You know you mentioned Gordon. Gordon's
a guy that you know, he's a toll running back
who runs to him. He runs with a bit of
an upright style, Yeah, which I think just does not
really project that well to the next level because it

(11:37):
could lead to a lot of crushing blows. I guess I,
like Trevor eighteen atn IST a little bit surprised that
Gordon's in the draft. I don't know if he had
any eligibility left. But again, he's gonna need a big
showing at the senior ball.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
All right, let's go to the pass catches here, Tony
and again it's a and we talked about the trying game, right,
I'm just as excited about this tight end class as
I am the watch receiver class. I mean, Harold Fanning Junior,
who has the numbers of a wide receiver and you
know doesn't plan. You know, I'll be honest with you.
I want to start a fan in individual before he
jump to the guys, because I went in watching and
I assume that he was just going to be a

(12:11):
receiver and that's all he did. And look, he's only
I think he'll probably weigh in like two thirty, Like
he's not going to be a big guy, right, but
he tries to block like there's an effort there. He
puts his body in there. You know how well he's
going to do against NFL sized players, that's another conversation.
But he's a guy that's willing to play physical, Like
he catched the ball. He tries to run through people
despite the fact that he's maybe a little undersized and

(12:34):
profiles is kind of like a move f type of
tight end. He plays the physical brand of the football,
which I was pretty impressed by.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Go back and watch the Penn State game because he
played incredibly well in that Penn State game. He was
basically the offensive threat for Bowling Green and Penn State
couldn't stop him. I think he had six receptions close
to one hundred yards in that game. I think the
thing with fan and is how fast is he? You know,
does he have the speed to get downfield. Is he
a four to seven to five guy, which is basically

(13:00):
to push him to the late part of day two,
or is he a faster guy? Is you play fast?
So he's going to show in those one on ones
that he can beat linebackers consistently down the field or
even better, he can beat those safeties downfield because speed
is also a big question in his game.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well one title that speed is not a question in
his game. Tony is Elijah Royal of Miami. I think
he's probably he might be the fastest tight end in
this class. And he had very little production up until
this year. And boy, there are some plays where you
go all right, as a receiving weapon, this guy's got it.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Rande Gotson a type gy gats and we spoke about
last year week in the Shrine Bowl preview. Is is
he a tight end or is he just an oversize
receiver playing the tight end position. The one thing about
arroy is he catches the ball incredibly well. They line
him up all over the place of Miami. They line
him up the slot, they line him up out of
the flanks, and he'll get down the field and he'll
catch the ball. So again, you know you talked about

(13:56):
Fanning giving effort in that and as a blocker, he
know those one on one blocking your gels, you gotta
watch your Royal. I mean, is he able to hold
his ground? Is he able to stay square or he's
just getting annihilated in those one on one drills by
the linebackers. It's gonna be very big for him.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
All right, who else the tight end juked out of
your tone?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I like Thomas Madone of Nebraska. Here's a guy who
basically the coach told him, look, you should enter the draft.
Matt Will said, you might as well enter the draft
because there's really no place for you here in the
offense that we're gonna run, or a transfer or a
transfer another school. He decided to enter the draft sort
of an unknown, but he's athletic, He's got real good size,

(14:35):
he's a decent blocker. He also moves very well. He's
a real good intermediate pass, intermediate and short range past
catching target. On the other hand, is Jackson Hawes from
Georgia Tech, who's a tremendous blocker. I mean, he's almost
like another offensive lineman out on the field who is
also a real good short range past catching target. So

(14:56):
I think with Dan, you want to see at Hawes,
you want to see the downfield speed for downs and
natural pass catcher. With Halaws, you want to see if
he catches the ball naturally or as well as he
does on film.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
All Right, there's a couple of tight ends. I want
to bring up here to me that you mentioned that
I think are interesting players, all right. One is Mason
Taylor out of LSU. A lot of people are huge
fans of his. I watched him, and I always say,
you know, third round player, you know, something like that.
But you talk to people down that I know that
follow LSU very closely, that are in the business, and
they think that maybe he has a little bit more

(15:29):
juice to his game than maybe what I saw on tape,
and they think he might be like the third tight
end off the board in this class. Just curious what
you're hearing about Mason Taylor and what your thoughts on
him were watching him on tape.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, I would agree with that, I mean third tight
end off the drift. I would agree with the fact
that he's a Day two player. He could, I believe,
potentially be a late second round choice. But he's a
natural pass catcher, he's athletic, obviously has the bloodlines from
whose dad is Jason, and he's still developing at the position.
And I think there's a bit up and down with
that up and down inconsistency with that LSU offenses here.

(16:04):
Despite who they had a quarterback, but he's still developing
at the position. He's the type of guy. You know,
you do this with all the players, but especially guy
like Mason Taylor. You're drafting him in twenty twenty five,
you're expecting him to be a knockout player in twenty
twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, and again he is bigger size. He's two fifty
five at least that's what he's listed at, so we'll
see what he weighs in at. But he could be
a two way tight end too that can block and
catch one of the tight ends. Tony gunner Helm I
watched him last week out of Texas. Another really interesting player,
really good size, good height. He has the size and
frame I think to become a two way player and
a good blocker. He made some really nice plays at Texas.

(16:40):
Good route runner, good hands. You know, I think he
is some real potential too.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Does he have the speed to be a number one
tight end? You know? Is he a number one tight end?
Does he have the athleticism and speed to be number
one tight end? Or is he just a real good
number two? And also depends on the type of scheme
that you run. You know, if you're more reliant on
your wide receivers and you don't want your your tight
ends to get you know, thirty thirty five yards down field.
Then he could be a number one, you know, like

(17:05):
the guy the Jets have Conklin. I like him, right,
but I think he's a Day three pick unless he
kind of tests through the roof much better than I expect.
But that's okay because he's going to have a place
at the next level.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, I'm with you. Not super explosive, but I think
he runs routes well, he catches the ball well. I
think he can be a real solid guy with you
on that all right, wide receivers, Tony, you got a
couple guys in the list that you're excited about, Well.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
You got to start and hopefully he plays with Elik
a ao Manor, the third year sophomore out of Stanford.
Some people have him as a first round pick. I
don't think so after watching him on film. He's got
nice length, he's got natural hands, he's got long arms,
and he looks like he's got big hands. So those
measurement measurements are gonna be interesting. Makes a lot of

(17:49):
really incredibly athletic receptions, not really fast, not really quick
you know a guy who will continually went out for
the contested pest. Now that guy can go first round.
You're looking for that type of receiver. But again, he's
a little bit young, and he's a developed this game.
Doesn't have a big route treat didn't run a lot
of different routes at Stanford. They basically threw him the
ball in the middle of the field, sometimes out of

(18:10):
the flanks. Not a guy that's gonna beat defenders down
the field. It's going to be interesting to watch him.
Watch that quickness. Is he able to separate from the
defenders as he needs to? Ty Felton out of Maryland,
here's a guy who can't separate. Here's a guy who's
got big play potential. Here's a guy who I believe
is very underrated. He's a good pass catcher, he's fast,

(18:31):
he's got big playability. Not the biggest guy in the world,
but someone who is developing and was a much better
receiver in twenty twenty four than he was in twenty
twenty three. And then lastly, Pat Bryant, I mean a
guy who caught everything in Illinois, wasn't considered draftable coming
into the season. Now he's in the senior ball was
major production at the Illinois last year. Was the go
to receiver opponents could not stop. Still think he's a

(18:53):
Day three pick, but you know, if you're looking to
round out your receiver corps, get that fourth or fifth
receiver on the depth. He's a good bet late in
the draft.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
A couple other guys I want to mention Tony We've
talked about Xavier Erstreppo a bunch really classic, tough, yeah,
outrunner slot, not super fast, but he's gonna be a
really good pro Tesz Johnson, who's like the opposite. He's
like the super small, super fast speed guy on the outside.
I think he was listened one hundred and sixty pounds
or something like that. So those two guys, and then
I watched it two Iowa state wide receivers last week,

(19:23):
and I think they're interesting. You know, Jayon Higgins is
that bigger guy, but he's he gets over the middle,
good hands, doesn't drop anything, a lot of hand catches
in there. And then as a slot guy where Jaylen
Nowell played most of the time, He's got some juice. Man,
He's a vertical slot. He's not one of these shifty
like guys. That you know, runs back and forth and
changes direction, but he's got over the top speed. There's

(19:43):
a lot of big plays on that tape for him.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, they work well together, complimentary, you know, sort of
like Johio State running backs. As we talked about in
the past. I love Rispestro from Miami. I mean, here's
a guy who you talk about rout running, you talking
about the hands. He's also on the same page as
his quarterback was with cam Ward last year, so he
basically knew what Camboard was doing, knew when he had
to come back to the ball, knew when he had
to go across the field. Small, not a big guy,

(20:07):
but he's not going to back down the challenge and
always finds a way to separate. See how he does
in those press coverage drills if they do if they
played press coverage, is he able to separate? He's going
to catch everything that's throwing in his direction.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, I'm with him, all right. Let's jump over to
the offensive line. Tony and a lot of guys in
this list that we're gonna play multiple positions and see
where scouts like him.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
A lot of guys that could go first round. I mean,
you talk about Jonash seven, a of Arizona. You talk
about multiple positions. Is he guards, he tackle? He's a
terrific offensive lineman who could go first round. I don't
have him there yet, but we'll see what happens. Emery Jones,
who I mentioned during the under or underclassman preview, a
guy who coming in the twenty twenty four season was

(20:53):
rated right there with Will Campbell.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
But I watched him last week. He had hit a
rough year over there.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right tackle for that absolutely, I mean, has shown the ability,
good pass protection skills, a lot of strengths. Got to
get his game back on track. He's gonna have to
play really well for the Senior Bawl. He'll continue to
tumble down draft boards. Anthony Belton, the athletic left tackle
for North Carolina State. You want to talk about inconsistency.
I mean Belton was a guy who entering the twenty
twenty three season scouts thought was a top sixty pick.

(21:24):
The consistency is not there. He's all over the place.
I mean the decent fundamentals, but lacks balance. He needs
a big week. Josh Connelly, who I've spoken about at length.
I really love his game. Is he a left tackle.
Is he a guard. He's a real good blocker who's
gonna be real good in his own system. We'll see
how he does against those bigger defensive ends, not the

(21:45):
speed guys. And speed guys, I'm not worried about what Connorley.
It's the bigger, stronger guys. Marcus Embo of Purdue, who
is an incredibly athletic right tackle. Think Lane Johnson and
that sort of realm. So the guy who is so athletic,
he's got such good footwork at right tackle, you think
you can put him on the left side. It's got
to improve his strengthen to point of attack. And then

(22:07):
Wyatt Miller, who I not sold on Wyant Milham yet.
A lot of people think he's a first round pick.
Will wait and see what happens. A big week for
him at left tackle when he goes up against those
speed rushers, who will talk about can he shut them down?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
One guy you didn't mention on your list here, Tony
is armand Membo.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm sorry, No.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's okay. I watched him last week, and you know
there are guys where you wonder can he I'm not
sure if he could play tackle. That guy is walk
in right tackle for me that you feel good about.
Playing very solid, you know, no traits that like super
jump off the page to you, to me, but you
just watch him. He blocks everybody. He just doesn't get
beat a lot.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
The thing with Membo is does he have the height
to play tackle, because he's estimated to come at about
six foot three. Now, we'll have to wait and see
what he officially is, you know, at the senior ball.
But I agree with you. I mean, he is powerful,
he's explosive, he's strong. He's also not bad on his feet.
He'll get out to the second level and he shows
some ability, blocking, emotion, a well rounded game regardless of

(23:04):
whether it's tackle or guard. He's gonna be a good
starting NFL offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, I'm with you. All right, let's jump over to
the defensive side of the ball here. But first a
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let's again go to the defensive side of the ball here,
Tony and that offensive line is gonna have their hands

(23:29):
full because I said about the running back class, this
is as good of a defensive front, defensive line class
I think we've had here in a while. I don't
know if you want to separate them tackles and edge guys.
Do this however you want. Because you have I think
eleven on your list, I have another five online. It
is a great, great, great, great group. You might have
four or five first round picks just from this group

(23:50):
of players.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I'm gonna go with the edge guys first. Donovan is
it Ruka of Boston College, who we talked about, an
incredibly high intensity type of defensive lineman, pass rusher to
give his effort against the run, makes plays not just
up the field but laterally.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I mean he's plays like people want to see pressures
in sacks. He's gone him like there's proof of concept there.
He's a productive player.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I think what it was sixteen sacks and twenty one
TFLs this year off the top of my head for him.
You know, the thing with him is can he make
plays in reverse? How does he do? Did they use
him in coverage shields? And how does he do? If
he does well, his draft stock is going to take
off Mike Green, who I spoke about on this podcast
back in October. Another very athletic, probably more athletic than

(24:39):
is isra Ruka from Boston College in the sense that
he's quicker to the sidelines, he's better in space, very explosive,
but a twelve thinner guy. How he holed up in
the one on ones? I mean, is he able to
you know, get penetration in those one on ones or
is he getting obliterated at the point of attack. John Joyner,
who I thought coming into the season had a chance

(25:02):
to be a late first round pick, had an injury,
didn't meet expectations because of an injury. But again light Green,
like Azuruka of Boston College, undersized but very athletic pass
rusher who's fast up the field, can make place out
to the side lines in pursuit and creates a lot
of havoc. And then I know somebody that you really like,

(25:22):
and we spoke about a lot. Nick Scouton who went
from Purdue to Texas A and m had a good season.
I have him in the middle of my I think,
like right in the early twenties, in my first round
the mock. He's a guy who's he's not a small
edge rusher. He's got some size to him. He's got
some stoutness to him, so he can play the round.

(25:44):
But he's very athletic and he's very quick up the field.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
All right, Tony, Before you jump to the defensive tackles,
A couple other edge guys are going to be there. Princely,
the kid out of Ole Miss He's going to be there,
really good edge player, and then Shamar Stewart for me,
who plays up and down the line at Texas. I
don't know if you want to classify him as an edge
necessarily him listened to two hundred and ninety pounds, so
I don't know if that's where he actually is going
to weigh in at. But boy, he is an athletic

(26:09):
freak show at that size. The production hasn't been there,
I know, but some team is gonna fall in love
with his potential. I think as a guy that just
has every tool you want.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
He's got an excellent size. He's got growth potential too,
which means that you know, he's a guy who two
to three years downline in an NFL weight training program.
Not that they have a bad one of Texas a
and m it's gonna be bigger, he's gonna be stronger.
He's got some scheme versatility as well, you know. I
mean he's the type of guy that as he fills out,
you could probably use him as effectively in a three
man line that you can in a foremat line, going

(26:38):
to the one to the different defensive tackles. I mean
started off with ty Robinson and Nebraska spoke about him
multiple times.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I watched him last week and you told me how
good he is. That guy's a fun watch man. He
is just a bowling ball. He's upfield all the time.
His efforts off the charts. That guy is one of
the safest picks in this draft. He is gonna be
a good player.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And all he does is make claims. I mean, they
can't stop him. Like I said, I was at the
Ohio State game when McLaughlin was the center and he
he mclachlam up, I mean, destoryed him. And they line
him up at nose tackle, they line him up on
the outside, they line him up defensive tackle. He's got
excellent length, he's got growth potential, he's athletic. I mean,
he is a terrific player. So I'm gonna be looking
for that. I'm looking for him. And remember, you know

(27:19):
we talk about the quarterbacks. The history of the Senior
Bowl is defensive lineman who go to the Senior Bowl
and have great days of practices can also watch their
draft the draft stock stock skyrocket. I mentioned how you
know in these games you don't really see running backs
move up draft boards. That's not the case with defensive lineman.

(27:39):
You play well in the defensive line, you're making plays,
your draft stock is going to take off. One guy
who I don't think has played all that well this year,
not as much as I expected as Yah Yah blacks
out of Iowa and athletic disclosive guy. He's got a
lot of upside. Dion Walker, Kentucky. Let's hope that we
see him play. He slated plays on the list right now.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I want to see him way in too, Tony. I
want to see what all the way he's in at.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Not only not only not only way in, but how
is he playing? I mean, is he gassed after a
couple of reps? Even if he's three hundred and forty
pounds and he's playing consistently at a high, high intense level,
that's not necessarily bad thing.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I would three forty I'm fine. I don't want him
to pull a Sweat from last year where he's rolling
into like three seventy five, because.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Three seventy five, three seventy five plus fifteen pounds. As
far as Sweat was concerned, That's probably why he never
announced it. But yeah, I mean walk Er, I think
well has the potential if he if he shows well
a practice, if he's not getting gassed, he does well
with the interviews, his draft stock can take off to walk.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I was going to add him a little bit is
coming in. You look at his twenty twenty three tape.
He was dominant consistently. He still had flashes this year,
but there were just too many plays where it's like,
how are you not dominating this guard right now? And
you're just kind of sitting there like what's going on?
So I'm not sure what happened with him this year
because I thought he was significantly better in twenty twenty three.

(29:04):
He's going to be a guy that I think wildly
fluctuates on boards based on the interview process. To your
point and how many people because look, not many people
are born that size that can move that way and
it just didn't show up enough on tape this year,
which I thought was weird.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
And he's not just a big guys you know, you
talk about how he moves well, I mean he is
a playmaker. He's a guy who showed the ability to
rush the passer. Jammery Colwell of Oregon. This is a
guy that people don't talk about but when they talk
about his teammate Harmon, But when you watch the Oregon film,
this guy is incredibly explosive. He's commanding double team blocks,
he's getting penetration, he's making plays. And Nias Peebles of

(29:43):
Virginia Tech another slightly smaller but very explosive interior defensive lineman,
great first step plays without standing leverage, standing pad level
a really a terrific one gap penetrator. See how he
does against those bigger offensive linemans in the one ones.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's gonna be fun.
A couple of other tackles I want to mention. Tony
Walter Nolan is going to be at this game. He
could be a late first early second round pick.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
T J.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Sanders another player than a lot of people are big
fans of. I liked them when I watched them, and
then the other shemar out of Texas A and M
Schamar Stewart, let mean Shamar Turner part of me. We
talked about Stewart Shamar Turner, who I think is gonna
be a pretty good interior defensive one in two and then.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You move to the linebacker spot. I mean, this guy
kind of fits in as both an edge rusher or
a linebacker. David Walker at a Central Arkansas Division two school,
I had a lot of productions as a pass rusher
in college. Now he's gonna have to basically do it
standing over tackle. I'm sure they have him come out
of a three pointsis but he's got to show some versatility.

(30:44):
He's got to show that he's got the ability to
do more to just make plays up the field at
at the size he is, which is about two hundre
and thirty five pounds, because if he can't, his draft
stocks going to drop because you're gonna be basically granted
as a small pool edge rusher that was able to
basically overwhelm the competition that he played against. So it's

(31:05):
a big week for him. I like Nick Martin of
Oklahoma State a lot incredibly explosive three down linebacker. Good blitzer,
good in pursuit, outstanding in coverage. Same thing with Cameron
Schweisinger of UCLA and underclassmen who went there the draft.
More of your traditional three to four weeks side linebacker.

(31:26):
Not a great blitzer, but if it's third and six,
you need somebody to cover the tight end and somebody
covered running back. He does an outstanding job at it.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right, let's jump over to the defensive backs.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Tony Maxwell Harriston of Kentucky. Want to see how tall
he is. He's got terrific ball skills. Cel Toll. See
how he matches up against the toiler toiler receivers. Does
he get his head back around to track the ball
in the er? Or is he doing a lot of
face guarding? Trey Amos of Mississippi. A lot of people
have given him first round of love. I'm not there

(31:58):
yet with Tray almost remember him at Ark Louisiana. Uh
when is Louisiana. He was a good player, transferred to Alabama,
was played in Spurts twenty twenty three. I believe was injured.
A lot of people like him. Big big week for him.
Dante Trader, you a couple of good safeties. Dante Trader,
lacrosse star at Maryland, very explosive, had an injury this year,

(32:20):
so didn't meet the expectations. We'll see if he's there.
But a guy who can play the run, explosive against
the run, can also play the pass. Hunter Waller of
Wisconsin outstanding run defender at Wisconsin. I mean a real
tough you know, sacrifice your body to make the tackle
type of guy. How does he do in those one
on one cover drills? And Malik Verdon. Everyone talks about

(32:41):
Emawari from South Carolina, the big safety, the linebacker sized safety.
Keep an eye on Verdin at Senior Bowl practices. He's
just as big, he's just as explosive, probably doesn't have
the sady ball skills. So with Verdon, how does he
do in those one on ones? Is he able to
flip his hips, stay with receivers and show some cover

(33:02):
skills or is he constantly trailing down the field. If
it's the former, excuse me, he's gonna go Day two
as a safety. If it's the ladder, he's probably gonna
watch this draft stock take a hit and people may
start to look at him as a one gap linebacker.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Ahi Tony, I wanted you give your homework assignment. So
who do you think from this Senior Bowl roster is
gonna be a first round pick in the twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, give me a minute here only because I was
just looking at the list that I have. So I'll
go through the positions with you accepted Senior Bowl invicebly.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
So what do you think will be top ten picks?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
It up?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I'm sorry, who do you think will be first round
picks and this year's draft that are at the Senior Bowl?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, I'm looking at the I don't see anybody from
the defensive back position. People say Trey Amos. I'm gonna
lean off of that right now. So I don't see
any defensive backs right now on this list that I
would consider a first round player. Moved to the defensive line.

(34:11):
Landon Jackson could be a very late first round pick.
We'll say it will say Landon Jackson. Dion Walker could
be a bottom third round, bottom third of the first round.
I'm not sold on Mike Green being a first rounder.
I think he's more of a Day two type of guy.
Uh Walter Nolan I think is going to be a

(34:31):
first rounder, Jordan Birch. I mean, we haven't talked about him,
but Jordan Burch is one of the more interesting players
when he's on his game, when he's on the field,
when he's not injured, he shows all the trades of
being a first round pick. I don't think that's gonna
happen because of the injuries. A lot of people have
Kyle Knard as a first rounder. I do not. Nick Scouton,

(34:55):
I think is going to be a first rounder. I
think between Shamar Stewart and Shamar Turner, one of those
two guys will be first rounders. Linebackers. I don't think
we'll see any linebackers in the first round. You know,
here's the interesting thing about the seniorble offensive offensive line up,
especially the offensive tackle group. Except for Will Campbell, who

(35:17):
didn't want to is not playing the game and Josh
Simmons who can't play in the game or your top
offensive tackles are gonna be in this game. Sevan A
could end up as a first round pick moving down
the line here. But you man Connorley, well, yeah, Erseri
could be a first round pick. I think connor Ley

(35:38):
will be a first round pick. I think Mbo will
be a first round pick. I think Whyaett Millim could
be a first round pick. And rounding it out, Jalen Milroe,
I think is the only first round quarterback that'll be
at the senior Well is gonna be first round selection.

(35:59):
None of the running back, none of the tight ends,
none of the receivers. So I hope you were counting.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I did.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I counted. So I got one, two, three, four, five
on defense. I got four offensive linemen and then two
maybes on the offensive line. Do want me to count
those maybes and make it eleven?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well? No, because so that's that's that's nine. And then
I said Jalen Milrow is going to be a first
round pick.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, I'm sorry, So three offensive, one and I'm sorry
so the offensive I'm not down for you in terms
of making it are seven, AA, Connory and Embo. Is
there anyone else you like to add from that group
into the first into the first round. Ah, you said
you weren't quite buying Millim.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Not yet. No, So yeah, I'll stick to my guns.
I'll be stubborn as I usually am.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Absolutely, you're tough grader, Tony. That's why we love you, man.
So we got nine guys right now is his first
round picks to you. But we'll see how guys do.
And here's what we gonna do, Tony. When we review
the Senior Bowl next Monday, we'll see if you've increased
your number a little bit. Good Stuffy, Tony, this is
always a pleasure. I'll remember, folks, stay with us. If
you're on the audio version of this, or if you're

(37:03):
listening watching this on video, go to the audio version.
We're gonna review the first two days of shrine practice.
Make sure you tune into that. If you're watching this
on video, go to the audio version. You'll have the
Shrine review at the end of this episode. Anything else
told me that you have gone up during Senior Bowl
over at sports key to that you want fans to
keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Not just finishing up the team first round mox. Any
news that may break and it's you know, all geared
towards Uh, it's actually Frisco. It's not Dallas, towards the
Frisco first Shrine Bowl practice next Saturday.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
And by the way, it'll be in North Texas. It
will not be at the Ford Center with the Cowboys.
So something else to keep an eye on. And we'll
see if the coaching carousel has mostly stopped by the
time we're down there over the weekend, or if it's
still spinning. We'll have to see how that winds up.
Guys are getting hired fast and furious. As of this recording,
I don't think Aaron Glenn is interviewing with the Jets.
The reports are that they're not gonna let him leave

(37:52):
the building. We'll see if that's true, and we'll see
how that goes. Tony, so appreciate the toime as always,
my friend, and I will see you in person in
about five days.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Look forward to it all.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Right, As promised, Tony and I recording this from my
hotel room in Firstco, Texas. The Commander's Eagles game just started.
The Commanders too, have received the opening kickoff. Tony and
I are gonna record this. We just finished watching our
second practice here at Shrine, and then we'll grab some food,
watch the games, and then both of us are down
to Mobile tomorrow. So just to set the stage for

(38:22):
you folks out there, that's what's going on right now.
But we've had two fun days of practice. Tony and
I have watched some of it together. We've also roamed
and watched some different things over the course of practice too,
So I think, you know, for the folks that aren't
down here, it's tough. It's just like training camp practice.
A lot of stuff's going on at the same time,
so you can't see everything. So some things that I've
seen that maybe Tony hasn't and vice versa. So something

(38:43):
to keep an eye on here as we move forward
with the end of this draft season episode. Of course,
hope you enjoyed the earlier part previewing the senior bawl.
All right, Tony, I'll let you start. Give me a
player at a position, and then I'll bounce off of
that and then we'll go from there.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
We'll start with the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean, Kyle McCord is hands down the most physically
gifted passer here. He's made some nice throws, but he's
also made some throws that.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Were way off the mark.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I think the one thing that I really liked about
Kyle McCord was I saw him moving his head around,
and he's a guy who kind of walks onto receivers.
He seems to have gotten out of that trend. I
spoke with him at length after Sunday's practice and we
spoke about a season in Syracuse. We spoke about his
experience at Ohio State, and he was very fourth right.
There was no sour grapes, you know, there's no criticisms.

(39:30):
But he talked about what happened in Ohio State, a
team that went on to win the national title. He's
a guy that's got a tremendous amount of upside. I
think he just needs a real good quarterback. Coach Cam
Miller of North Dakota State has made a lot of
nice throws. Doesn't have the same arm as kylein McCord,
doesn't have the same size, but he's accurate. He gets
the ball through the tight spots, great timing. I think

(39:52):
he's done well with basically a bunch of guys he's
never thrown the football to.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, I want to give some credit to Max Brosmer.
Not the most physically imposing guy, but he spent a
lot of time in New Hampshire, went to Minnesota. You'll
hear it later this week on the Johns Little Podcast.
I talked to him for about five or six minutes.
Talked about how very collegiate system in New Hampshire goes
to Minnesota Pro System. He said he is something like
just twenty checks in terms of there being a cover
zero coverage, much different than what he did at New Hampshire.

(40:20):
So I think that's a guy that's a good story.
He has a lot of experience in college, and I
think that transfer to Minnesota should be a big help
for him. And I think he's made some good throws
and I think he's really gotten from one to two
to three when he's dropped back pretty well. I'm gonna
jump to running back tone. I know you haven't done
a lot of watching O the running backs, and at
practice it's hard. These guys don't try to tackle them,
they don't break tackles. But two guys did jump at

(40:42):
it to me at Sunday's practice that I thought, we're
a little bit impressive. One guy that we've talked about
for a couple of years now, Tony is Raheem Sanders,
the running back out of South Carolina, weighed in just
two hundred and twenty pounds, because I think is good.
That means he's keeping his weight down right. But it
runs with power, runs with speed. And then you have
the Arizona running back who I was not familiar with
until I got here a smaller guy Jacory krossky Merritt

(41:05):
who really showed some burst out a couple of big
runs today getting out of the backfield, and I thought
he was really moving.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Where do you want to take us next, Well, let's
look at the tight ends. I think some of the
tight ends have played well. Now. I don't know if
that is just a matter of fact of the quarterbacks
wanting to go to check down receivers or I don't
throw the ball down the field, but I mean Rondre
Gatson off Sarahcuse has had, you know, a good mesh.
Of course they were Cole mccordery played with last season.
I mean he's like an oversized possession receiver, but he

(41:34):
can run and he catches the ball incredibly well. Luke
Lacha of Iowa makes a lot of difficult catches. I mean,
Luke Lasche two years ago was graded as it was
as the next Sam Laporter. He was going to be
Day two pick, but he missed most of the twenty
twenty three season because of an injury. He's not back
yet physically one hundred percent, but he can catch the

(41:55):
ball and he made a lot of difficult receptions.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Real quick, Tony. I talked to Luke Lache yesterday and
I asked him about the injury. He said, yeah, I'm
just trying to explain the teams that I am back now,
that I'm good, that I'm healthy, and don't look at
the numbers, right, I can be more than that. And
he said, Sam Laporta, it's basically his best friend has
been mentoring him through this whole process.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah. Well, I mean a lot's gonna depend on the
testing at the combine and the medicals at the combine.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
He's a good football player.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
If you know, if a team takes him in Day
three and he's able to nurse back to full help,
they're gonna get a steal. I thot Carter running a
thousand played very well today, a former receiver who moved
the tight end. He's got a nice frame, he's got
the ability to get bigger. He made a lot of
nice receptions all over the field. And Revaldo Fairweather revolve Burn,
a smaller tight end who I was not too familiar with.

(42:40):
I'm gonna because I haven't done my sec film work yet,
but I thought he really stood out and showed.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
A lot of next level ability.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah, I thought Fairweather I agree. Today I thought I
was surprised with what I saw at him. I thought
he had a couple nice catchers. All right, I'm gonna
jump to wide receiver there, Tony, and I don't think
we're gonna have any day or Day two, you know,
wide receivers at this game. I think these are probably
more mostly Day three guys. But I think a couple
of players certainly stood out a little bit at a UNLV.
I thought Ricky White showed the ability to consistently separate

(43:07):
and he did a good job catching the football. A
transfer from Alabama, Jacory Brooks, who's in Louisville. I thought
he had a couple of plays that were really nice.
You know you mentioned Ronde Gadson Junior. I thought his
teammate from Syracuse, Jackson Meeks, had a good day today.
He weighed in I think it was two hundred and
seventeen pounds, and you can see it as the Commanders
just convert their second fourth down on the opening drive here.

(43:31):
But he shows strength. There was a play down the
left side line, a DP pass where a guy's grabbing
his jersey. He gets called for defensive pass interference, he
runs right through him and still manages to make the catch.
So I thought Jackson Meeks was the guy that I
thought was pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
A wide receiver, it makes a bigger guy possession guy.
Had great production this year with Kyle McCord, and he's
obviously that sort of that rapport that they built has
carried over to the Shrine Bowl. I agree with you
about Ricky White. Coaches have told me he's the best
receiver here. I think think both of the Colorado guys
Lejonte Webster, he's fast man who and Jimmy Horn have

(44:06):
had real good practices. They're not just good athletes, but
they're good receivers. Absolutely love what I see from Jacobe
George of Miami. I mean, he's a smaller guy, but
he's super quick, he separates, he plays big football. He
competes for the tough catch, and he's caught everything. Two
bigger guys who have shown flashes of ability Caden Prather

(44:28):
of Maryland as well as Nick Nash of San Jose State.
They've made some difficult catches, they've made some touch catch
tough catches, but they've also dropped a few passes.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
They did today. They both had to drop and pray.
Their got behind the defense on that post hit him
right in the hands and he couldn't come down with it.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And the last guy to keep an eye on up
and down. But he's got great potential is Isaiah and
Nyer of Nebraska, former track athlete. Caught a nice deep
catch for a touchdown, but then he also lost out
in the battle in the middle of the field. Again,
you're talking about a late round guy that's got developmental potential.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
And I'll throw out one more receiver that I forgot
that again, I was not familiar with him coming in.
I think he's jumped to me a little bit. Is
can not a Mumpfield out of Pittsburgh, a smaller guy,
but he's I think he's really separated.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
He's shown some juice and he's shown some quickness over
the course of these two days of practice. All right,
let's shows one to the offensive line, Tony, and one
guy that I was really impressed with today, and I'll
start here that we can go back and forth a
little bit. Was a player with some NFL pedigree. His
dad Pete Kendall, former NFL offensive lineman. His son Drew Kendall.
I thought he's six ' four or just under six '

(45:33):
four to three oh five. Boston College did a really
nice job at center today against frankly, two of the
better defensive tackles here in Jordan Phillips out of Maryland
and the Indiana defensive tackle CJ. West. Thank you. He
did a good job against those two guys. In terms
of the interior guys, he might have been my favorite
guy here so far.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Kendall was my number one rated center prospect coming into
the season. And then Kendall put out a two tweet
that he was entering the transfer portal, so but he
was still on the Shrine Bowl roster, so I wasn't
sure whether or not he was actually gonna play because
he said he was going to go into the transfer portal.
But you're right, I mean he is. He's been a
terrific center at the Boston College. I want to talk

(46:16):
about two really big offensive linemen and a too small
offensive small school offensive lineman Gerard Christian Lichtenhan of Oregon
State six ' eight, his arms at thirty five inches long,
but he doesn't play like a big, clumsy offensive lineman.
He can move. He's played left and right tackle, he's
done a terrific job. Good fundamentals, stay, square seals. The

(46:40):
smaller edge rushers from their pass rush angle. Spoke with somebody,
how Christian Lichenhan. They said, because of the quantity of
players in this year's draft, and in fact, you've got so
many fifty six to seven year players in the draft,
he's not going to get a Combine invite, but he
could end up as a fourth round pick. So keep that,
you know, in the back your mind. The other guy

(47:01):
guy local to us, Hollan Pierce of Rutgers. I think
he had like thirty six inch arms. He's also like
six seven and change. Another big tailer guy who's not
very clumsy, good fundamentals. Ben's his knees that doesn't just
you know, try and outsize them, but blocks with tall fundamentals,
good leverage, good hand use. I think he's and he's

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a guy who was basically graded as a street free agent.
I think he's pushed himself into the late rounds. Two
small school offensive linemen that have really impressed me. Gareth
Warren of Lyndon Wood, who's played guard again, great fundamentals, strong,
has not lost out to anybody. And Marcus ware from
Montana State who won the FCS championship, another guard. The

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thing about these small school guys that I like is
they block with great mechanics, great fundamentals, good knee bend,
they stay square, good balance, you know, good hand punch.
And I think a lot of that is because since
these small schools don't have great weight training program, they
practice technique technique technique, and you can see it on
the field. At Gareth Warren, It's not gonna get a

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combining invite, but I'm told these three hundred and twenty
pounds it's gonna run under five seconds in the forty.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
He's gonna test through the roof.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
He is going to be working out at the Missouri
Pro Day, which is huge for him because Missouri has
right tackle Armando Membo there, so there's gonna be a
lot of offensive line coaches there. It's a great opportunity
for Warren. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Absolutely. I was about a couple of the Texas State
small school guy, Nash Jones. I thought he had a
couple of nice reps. Over the course of a couple
of days, he's been impressive. So there have been offensive
lineman and you mentioned lichtenhan Hoo, I agree, he's just
a monster of a man. I think his teammate Joshua
Grays had some decent moments to number sixty seven, So
I think those are some of the offensive linemen you
can keep an eye on here. All right, let's go

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over to the defensive line here, Tony, and you know
two guys that jumped out of me were on the
West team which I watched in the first practice today. CJ.
West that of Indiana, has some really quick wins, really
good hand uses to get a field. And then he
was probably the most explosive defensive lineman here, Jordan Phillips
out of Maryland. Just his burst. He gets on offensive
lineman very quickly. Had a lot of quick wins in

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those one on ones night and day.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
For Jordan Phillips because I watched him yesterday, because I'm
a Jordan Phillips guy coming into the season and he
was getting washed from the plate. Today he dominated. And
he didn't just dominate in the middle line. You watch Maryland,
he's used as a nose tackle to occupy the gaps.
He showed a lot of athleticism today, the ability to
rush the pass from those one on ones. They set
him up on the edge CJ. West the past two days.
No one can move him off the point of attack.

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He's in immovable force. He plays with great leverage. Kent
State Transfer played it Indiana this past season. Indiana had
that great campaign. But a guy who really, even on film,
just dominates the middle of the line of scrimmage. A
couple other guys who stood out to me. Warren Brinson
has had outstanding moments where you're like, wow, he just
takes takes over the plays.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
They could not block him in the final team drills
in practice on Sunday. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
And he's that type of guy.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
JJ Pagis of Mississippi two three hundred and twenty four pounds,
more of a bowling ball type, but he's quick, he's athletic,
he moves well. And Tonka Hemingway of South Carolina has
had a lot of good moments to the past couple
of days.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, I'll stick up front here and I'll even slide
in a couple of edge guys too. As we move
forward here, Tony, I think na Ziero Stackhouse. You know,
he's a bigger guy. He doesn't have the best pass
rush ability, but he's tough to move. He did get
in the backfield one storing team drolls as the Eagles
score a touchdown. I believe on a long sa Quon Parkley.
I think it was their second play from scrimmage after

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they got the kickoff after the Commander's went up three
to nothing. But he's a guy that's impressed me. Amid
hasanin at a Boise State. You know, he came in
I think a two hundred and sixty five pounds tony
and he's not maybe the bendiest and most flexible guy,
but he is such power in his hands. He bull
rushed guys. I think teams are gonna fall in love

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with his power and his strength as a bigger edge rusher.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
And a guy who fits a four man line. We
talked about him to go back to the past shows
through the college football playoffs. Real athletic guy who just
has to grow into his body. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Absolutely, anyone else out on the edge that jumped out of.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
To Rylan Powell of Virginia Tech had his moments. I
like the Deal Digs of Syracuse as well. Sort of
a smaller guy, but he's very athletic, He's explosive, he's
not afraid to go on the inside. He's not just
a wide edge rusher goes on the inside. He's just
got to get a little bit, a little bit bigger.
Has been used in a three point stance as well
as standing over tackle.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'm with you and I throw Elijah Ponder. I like
the small school guys out Kyle Polly. I think he's
had a couple of decent moments over the course of
the week two. And just to note, he might be
wanting to talking about Kenneth Grant out of Michigan. Well,
he was here, but he did not participate in any
of the practices here. Same reason we didn't talk about
you or Sanders who was here but didn't participate in
any of the practices.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Even though Kenneth Grant was here. I mean, that was.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
The kid from the brisk A Huckmacher who was dominant
yesterday took his number, Like, that's not Kansas Grant.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
But no, they do not look alike, not much at all.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But it's interesting that Grant was hearing he didn't participate.
That's that's kind of a bummer.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, too bad. All right, let's go out to the
secondary here. Tony the defensive back. I'll start with the
guy that I think might have been the best defensive
player here so far, and that's Kobe Bryant. That's Kolbe
with one C in two e's by the way out
of Kansas. One of two Kansas defensive backs here. He
had on Sunday's practice. I don't watch the secondary much
on Saturday. He had three pass breakups today, two and

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one on ones, one in team. During one team drill,
there was a pass slightly behind a player on a
little bit of a shallow cross across the middle. He
reaches in front, comes up with the pick. He's aggressive
at the line of scrimmage. He's only one hundred I
think seventy nine pounds. He's skinny, but he's long. He
beats guys up at the line of scrimmage. He's physical.
He even got flag for a pass in the fierence
penalty during one on ones. He's been really good and

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he knows how to play the ball when he gets
to the wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And he lets everybody know about it because he does
not show I mean he's sticking it to the guys
that he's covering. You know, after he makes it play.
He reminds them that he makes play and he says
he's gonna do it again, and then he does it,
so he backs up his bravado. He's a lot of
fun to watch. He backs up his bravado with play.
And he's not just opportunistic. He's got excellent ball skills.

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He's got a great move to the ball, he tracks
the pass in the air, and like you said, I
mean he's very physical. Two other corners that really impressed
me the past couple of days, especially today, Garrett Hollise
of West Virginia, especially in those one on ones, made
a lot of plays when the ball was in the air.
And Elijah Hussey, who had of North Carolina, had a
couple of nice plays, had a nice interception. He's more

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known as a return specialist, is probably gonna be a
dinback on Sunday. But really, the ball skills that he showed,
especially today, I mean, he was very very he was
basically on.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It, yeah out through on one other corner that he
didn't have much ball production, he got called for on
defensive pass interference penalty. But I like his size and
I like the way he approaches the thing. And that's
Zey Frasier out of He's a taller guy. He's long.
He's seen type of body type as Bryant, long and skinny.
He likes to play pressman. He knows that he gets
hand on the football as a smaller school guy. Might
take him some time to figure things out, but I

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think he has some real promise as a potential Day
three peck.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
U Tsa had a great fourth round pick at the
cornerback position a couple of years ago in Woolling Right,
And what I'm told is Fred is gonna basically test
off the roof. He's on the cusp of getting a
combine invite if he gets it, and Willing tested off
the roof if you remember too. Just needed to get
in the right system, which he did in Seattle, which
is able to who does a great job year and

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after year developing cornerbacks. I think it's the same thing
with this former teammate.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Anyone else at safety or any other spots Tony that
that jumped out of Chittle.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
The only guy at safety that I mentioned is Craig
woodson of Cal I mean he's he plays a safety
position like a linebacker, you know, when you hear the
pop of pads. You look up in this ball carrier
laid down on the field, it's usually because Woodson has
laid him out. Doesn't have great ball skills based not
a liability, more of a between the numbers downhill type
of safety. But he's made his mark felt mark here

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a known not only discounts, but on opposing ball handlers.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
All right, Tony and I are off the mobile. We
will have coverage of that over the course of the week.
We'll have our review of everything that happened to the
Senior Bowl next Monday. We'll do it after the games,
do the games, and we'll do the practices all in
one show next Monday. That'll just be all Senior Bowl stuff.
We'll have a lot of really good players down there.
They'll have a chance to talk about all right, that's
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