Giants Draft Reaction Show

John Schmeelk, Paul Dottino and Shaun O'Hara break down everything you need to know about the Giants draft picks Penn State Edge Abdul Carter and Ole Miss Quarterback Jaxson Dart. Presented by Crestron.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome the Giants Draft Reaction Show presented by Crestron. I
am John Schmelk. Join my compatriots here, Paul Detino, Super
Bowl Champion Sean O'Hara. Guys, we're gonna do a lot
of talking about who the Giants selected. A third overall
pick they pick is in. As soon as we have it,
we will give it to you. We are coming to
you live from the Hackensack and Britany Health podcast studio.

(00:21):
Keep getting better, and then we will take your calls
at two A, one nine, three nine four five one
three and get your reaction to whoever the Giants pick
here with the third overall selection, We've already had some
excitement tonight boys, cam Ward going one. That's chalk, but
a humongous trade with the Jaguars, moving from pick number
five up the pick number two with the Browns. I
won't get into all the details, but the theme of it.

(00:43):
They give up their second round pick this year. They
swap two and five, also giving the Browns their first
round pick next year. As the Browns clearly going into
a little bit of a rebuild mode here considering what
happened with the Shawn Watson and trying to get future capital.
But the Giants are up here at number three. Sean O'Hara,
where is your head at right now?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, look, I think when you're looking at right now
with Hunter off the board, with cam Ward as everybody expected,
Abdul Carter right now as a game wrecker, I think
that's who the Giants are locked in on. And I
think when you look at what he brings to the table,
he's a guy that you can't miss on.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And the Giants do select Abdul Carter out of Penn State.
They showed the edge player, they showed the Giants war room.
Once I saw Charlie Bowen there, the Giants had outside
linebackers coach. That was a bit of a clue as
they were going to pay fall exactly. Abdul Carter guys
three year player out of Penn State six or eight,
two hundred and fifty four pounds. Keep in mind he
did not weigh in at the Combine this year because

(01:40):
of the injury that he suffered with the foot. This
is going off Bruce Feldman's freaks list from the preseason,
which is usually as accurate as you can get. Six three,
two fifty four. According to Penn state, a four four
eight forty yard dash, a four to three five shuttle,
a ten to seven broad, thirty five inch vert max
velocity on the field is showing of twenty two miles
per hour last year, number one in the FBS and

(02:04):
tackles for loss with twenty three and a half, number
seven in sacks with twelve and a half, and number
two in pressures with sixty six. According to Dan Brugler's
b SO, this guy is a fast up the field
edge rusher with a variety of moves speed, quickness, speed
to power, dip, bend flexibility. This guy is a terror.

(02:25):
I've had multiple people on the Johns Little podcasts that
have come on compare him to Von Miller, which speaks volumes.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, Von Miller was you know, Super Bowl MVP, super
Bowl fifty. When you look at at what Abdua Carter
brings to the table, you just rattle off a bunch
of statistics. And I was told there'd be no math today.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I wasn't asking you to do, man.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think stats on it phenomenal and it tells you
on paper what this guy looks like. When you turn
on the film and you watch this guy, what comes
to mind is if you've ever seen that movie Takeing
Liam Neeson. So this guy has a special set of skills.
He just has a knack for after the quarterback. Now, look,
a lot of people can beat offensive linemen at the
line of scrimmage. They can't always finish the play, they

(03:06):
can't always take the quarterback down. When he gets in
the backfield, he doesn't miss. He explodes through the quarterbacks
when he sacks him.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
When he hits them, that's just ended burst right to
get around the attack.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, that burst. His get off number one is I mean,
it's extraordinary. And I go back to a guy I
play with Ocu Minyora. That was his gift. His gift
was the getoff. Now, he had a couple of off
sides last year, I think four or five where he's
jumping that count.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
You live with that.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
That, Yeah, you absolutely live with that because when he's right,
he's in the backfield and he's wreaking havoc. So I
mentioned before, I think he's a game wrecker. When you
get a chance to add a guy like that, with
Keveon Thibodeau, with Brian Burns, with Dexter Lawrence, I think
this is a no brainer. And this was probably one
of Joe Shane's easiest picks since he's been the general
manager for the New York Giants.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, well, you think for the third overall pick, you're
going to stress add about it a lot, But we've
talked about it this entire process. There were only a
couple of blue chip prospects in this draft. Lass cam
Moore the consensus number one quarterback. Then you had Travis Hunter,
who was already off the board. You have Ashion Genty
who's a running back, and then you had Abdul Carter,
the edge rusher who if you believe all the people
out there that talk about this, those were the blue

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chip players that were on the board this show.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And as Joe Shane said, those are the kinds of
guys you really are gonna be sorry about if you
pass on them. So it's really not a surprise. He
pretty much telegraphed everybody what their philosophy was going to be. Now,
for those of you who remember some of the Giants
championship days, we're talking about Abdul Carter, who had six
three round two fifty.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
That's the same frame and body type as Pepper Johnson,
but he's got Downhill's speed, quickness, and agility far more
than just an inside linebacker. He is an edge guy.
So think about that. Think about the combination of speed
and quickness in Pepper Johnson's body. That's the kind of
guy you're looking at Downhill doing everything he can to

(04:56):
get into the backfield.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Now, Paul cand I give him in one. In comparison
for Giant fans, oce U Minuro was six four, two
fifty five. He's OC That's what he is. That's his
play style too. He's oc Uman Yoke except Oc wasn't
a linebacker. He was a defensive vent technically, but he
played defensive end for Penn State with his hand in
the dirt.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Last.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, but this guy's gonna be a linebacker now, No,
he's gonna be an edg dresser on the edge, rushing
the passer. He'll be a stand up. He's gonna be
a lineback.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Okay, that's fine. Is he rushing the passer? Is he
playing about?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
He's gonna He's gonna run. He will be somewhat of
a hybrid. I do think you're right, Sean, because we've
discussed many times over the course of the last few
months how if the Giants did take him and John
you pointed out the math last night on wfa N.
The truth is twenty five percent of the time, right,
If Thibodeaux is resting twenty five percent of the time
Burns is resting, well, that's fifty percent of the snaps

(05:45):
right there. And then on top of that, there's gonna
be snaps when all three of them play, because he's
got two years of experience as an All Paul linebacker.
So there's no reason why all three can't get on
the field. I know some people were scared about that.
It's not a problem. No, absolutely, Shane Bowen.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
You know, look we saw him earlier on in the building,
like he's got to be ecstatic. Right, last year, you
trade and you get Brian Burns. Now you get this guy.
Now it's Shane Bowen's opportunity to say, you've got this
awesome gift, you've got this toy, find a way to
make him work. And I think that's where I don't care.
If you're a four to three scheme defensive coordinator, all right,
you're gonna find a way to get this guy in

(06:22):
a stand up position. You're gonna have some three four
defense I remember talking to Steve Spagnolo. He was a
four to three disciple. He was Jim Johnson from down
in Philadelphia. Yeah, that was his scheme when he got
fired from the Saint Louis Rams. I remember he said,
I spent an entire year just trying to learn a
three four scheme because I wanted to add that to
my repertoire. And he basically morphed, and he said, I

(06:43):
instead of just being a four to three defense, I
became a hybrid and I run some three four stuff.
Now Shane Bowen can do that too. So now you
could have Kevon Thibodau on one side, you could have
Abdall Carter on the other in that stand up three
four kind of look and still be a four to
three base. But three four is a part of that scheme.
And I think having those two guys on that side,
and then you're also putting you know, Brian Burns in

(07:05):
there next to came On Thibodeau or next to Abdul Carter.
I mean, that's a heck of a defensive front with
Dexter Lawrence pushing the pocket in the middle right there.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
And to Ball's point, he did line up as a
stand up joker rusher, which the beds that don't understand
a joker rusher is a stand up rusher behind the
line of scrimmage. We see Michael Parsons day got a movie.
When they're on the field together in those passers situations,
then he can play. That's absolutely That's what he did
his first two years in Penn State as an off
ball linebacker. He only played the edge one year for

(07:35):
the Nitley Lions this past year when he racked up
all those sacks. Before that, he wasn't inside linebacker, which
to me makes the fact that his pass rush repertoire
is so advanced even more impressive given he's only done
it for a year.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, he's still got a lot to learn.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
To your point on the Micah Parsons thing, that was
Dan Quinn, who was who is a four to three
cover three defensive coordinator. Yes, he found a way to
get Micah Parsons in on third down, involved in off
the ball blitzing, and involved in stunts. So I think, uh,
that's a that's really his forte. And I think when
you look at this guy as an athlete like OCU,
when you are was a phenomenal athlete that built himself

(08:10):
into a great pass rusher. This guy played wide receiver
in high school, Abduel Carter. So this guy can run.
He can flat out run. I will say this, Give
me a guy who's maybe a little bit lighter than
you would like, but can fly, has grease, lightning speed.
I can always put weight on that guy. You can't
always make a heavy guy faster, so it's very hard.

(08:32):
I think that he's young, he's twenty one years old.
He's gonna come and leave, he's gonna bulke up, and
he's gonna be just fund.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Just sure, and just try to block him. Dexter Lawrence
and Brian Burns and Cavan on the field at the
same time, where are you going to double especially if.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
You don't know which gap they're gonna be shooting.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
All right, we're gonna get to your calls in a second.
A two on one nine three nine four five one
three right here on Giants Draft Reaction brought to you
by Creshtron. But first you want to bring in the
voice of the Giants, Bob Pappa, who wants to give
his take on the Giant selecting Adduel Carter. Of course, Bob,
You've been talking about this pick a lot on your
Serious XM showing of course our giant platforms as well.
And Abdul Carter certainly fits the stereotype of a Giants

(09:10):
pass rusher from yesteryear. This guy's going to be a
heck of a defender.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
You know, when Jacksonville made that trade, I was thinking,
you know, would they draft did they move up to
get gent and add a running back to the mix.
But you know, once I heard Travis Hunter's name, I
was like, all right, Carter has got to be the pick. Look,
the Giants need help in the pass rush game. Cavon
Thibodau missed five games last year. It's not like he
played in every game. And the more the merrier to

(09:37):
the party. I mean, whether it was in the eighties
with the linebackers then guys coming off the bench that
could get to the quarterback, or in the two thousand
Shawn's team in twenty eleven, they were able to come
in waves and we saw Philadelphia win a Super Bowl
doing it that way. Teams that can get after the
quarterback usually have a chance to win. So I think

(09:57):
it was a great pick by the Giants.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
To your point, the Giants have built strength on strength
before they Adam Matthias Kiwanuku to do a great pass
rush before Super Bowl forty two. Then you add Jason
Pierre Paul you brought up Justin Tuck adding to a
strength in terms of pass rush. To your point, look
at how the Eagles do with their waves and waves
of guys, and the Dallas Cowboys in the Division another team.
They've done that too over the years upfront with their
waves of pass rushers. It's a tried in two formula

(10:22):
that works.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, I mean, in adding competition to the room, I
don't think Cayvon Thibodeau has produced to the level that
you would have hoped as the number five overall pick.
Not saying that he's not a good player, but you know,
I'd still pick up his fifth year option if I
was the Giant, because he hasn't been any Pro Bowls,
So his fifth year option number, by way of people

(10:46):
that produce on his level, is going to be cheap,
so you might as well pick it up, and you'll
worry about his extended deal or whatever you're gonna do,
or God forbid, somebody gets hurt, like you'll worry about
that down the road, and I think, you know, I
think people are jumping to conclusion saying that if the
Giants take card to the Giants will decline the fifth
year option of Thibodeau. From a dollars and cents standpoint,

(11:10):
it makes sense to, you know, to pick up that
fifty year option, just on what his cost will be
and what the market is for good edge rushers. And again,
I think he can't have enough. He's played off the
ball linebacker. He's an incredible athlete, and as Sean said,
I was just listening to you guys before I came on.
You know, it's hard to get big guys to be

(11:31):
able to run fast. But he's twenty one. Just human nature,
he's gonna put on some weight, he's gonna fill out
as he grows into a man, and that footspeed is
something that you can't teach.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well. Will Campbell, by the way, goes forth overall to
the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
You know, Bob Joe Shane had told us after the season,
and quite frankly, John marisaid the same thing. I was
tired of seeing people run up and down the field
against our defense. Well look at what the Giants have done.
They got Golston, they got Holland, they got a depot,
now they've got they've got this guy in Carter. They
have made four very big, important, impactful acquisitions on that

(12:10):
side of the ball. I'd say this Giants defense is
looking a whole lot better than it did in January.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Well, yeah, I mean it's good right now. It's the
strength of the team because I'm not sure where we
stand offensive line wise. You know how much better it is.
I think the quarterback will help. I still think they
have to address the running back room and all that
other stuff, but yeah, I think they're gonna lean on
their defense. And look, I think a dual Carter is

(12:37):
going to be one of these players that wins and
wins early and wins often.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
And the Giants need listen, the Giants need somebody that
will when when the Giants play against good offensive lines
and good quarterbacks, they needed they need a rusher that's
gonna win too many times. You know, they've had these
situations where against bad quarterback battle lines, guys get numbers,
but they're no shows and games that are important. Well,

(13:06):
based on what you got in your division and the
schedule that you play this year, you need somebody that's
gonna win against good competition, and I think Duel Carter
is the recipe. Now, I'm just wondering what number he's
gonna wear, because I don't think I don't think eleven
is coming.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Out of it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
He's eleven, and he's not wearing fifty six, so he's
got something else.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
He's not wearing ninety two tens ten's taking as well. Yeah,
just for those if you're watching a home for we've
got the first crier of the draft. Will Campbell tears
legitimate tears.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
The offensive lineman too, Sewan are Ye are a little disappointed.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, I don't know, I don't really know how
to think about this right now because I like the kid.
I think he's a tough kid. But here's an expect
him to be the first crier of the draft?

Speaker 6 (13:49):
Does it?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Does it almost count? That Travis Hunter's interview on NFL Network,
he admitted that he was so excited, but he wanted
a CRS.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
So he admitted that he.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Wanted to cry, and he felt like crying at that moment,
but he was so amped that he couldn't cry yet. Yeah,
did he gets to half a cry?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I definitely would have put it on a receiver or
a cornerback. He checks both those boxes. But uh, just
to kind of put a ball on what you were saying, Bob.
When you think back at the Super Bowl, the Philadelphia
Eagles took down the Kansasity Chiefs. How did they do that?
They got home with a four man rush.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
You have to have guys that can win one Giants fans,
for our Giants fans out here, can we just refer
to the seven Giants and how they did it with
a four man rush repeatedly and beating the undefeated Patriots
and Tom Brady beating the Giants fans over the head
about the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And and Justin Tuck, you know,
drafting him and everybody was like, well you already ask
Tran and Osi, why are you drafting this guy? Justin Tuck?
They had him, you know, with the first grade talent,
first round talent, it was a grade and they got
him in the third round and we moved him inside
and the guards couldn't block them. So that type of player,
a guy that can win one on one, you cannot

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pass up on. And you have a guy like that
now all of a sudden. Look, there's two ways to get
to the quarterback and get pressure. You can scheme it
via blitz, or you have guys that could just kick
ass up front and get to the quarterback one on one.
That's what abdul Carter brings. And to your point, the
Eagles won the Super Bowl. It's painful to say that.
It's painful to here it again, but guess what if
we want to get back into that competition. We got

(15:25):
to win in the division. Well, guess what, we got
to have somebody that can take down Jayson Daniels. You
can't just get to him, right, We had a chance
to sack them multiple times. He got out of it.
We've got a closer. We need to take down Jane Daniels.
We got to get pressure on Dak Prescott and we
got to get pressure on Jalen Hurts. You want to
win the division, you've got to get after those guys,
and I think abdul Carter fits that bill.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
All right, Bob, I ask question.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
I have just a quick question for you guys. Yeah,
do you think Jackson Dart will get picked here in
the top ten by the New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Bob, you stold the question I was going to ask you,
because I think that's the debate now, right, And guys,
we are gonna get your calls in a second to
two A one nine three nine four five one three.
So now the pivot points you're looking for if the
Giants are in fact going to dry the draft a quarterback.
To Bob's point, you're looking at the Saints at nine,
You're looking at the Steelers at twenty one, and then
any other teams that might want to trade up and
pick a quarterback. Based on everything I've heard, Bob from

(16:18):
people around the league, doesn't sound like the Saints are
in the quarterback business in round one. I would not
be shocked if the Saints were in the quarterback business
in round two. And then it's kind of a game
of turkey, right Bob, where you're trying to figure out
are the Browns going to move up? How far do
you have to move up? Do you want to get
ahead of the Steelers if they want the quarterback that
you want. So this is now kind of almost like

(16:39):
an espionage game for the Giants. They have to pull
out their CIA tactics and try to figure out what
these other teams are going to do, which you'll dictate
how much of their draft asset pool they have to
give up to move up to perhaps get one of
these quarterbacks. If they like one enough to move up
to get them.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Exactly, and if they believe that there's a quarterback that
could be the franchise quarterback, you do everything you can
to get ahead of Pittsburgh and jump back into the
first round. And I believe that even if you had
to surrender next year's first round draft pick, I'm good
with it because you're probably going to be using that

(17:16):
first round draft pick next year on a quarterback in
next year's class. So if you have a conviction about
a guy, the heck with it, go get him.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
All right, Bob, we appreciate it. Thanks for joining us,
my friend. Anything you want to add before we say goodbye, No,
but I'm.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Gonna you know, I'm assuming when Joe Shane addresses the media.
I know last year he told everybody, you guys could
shut it down for the night that the Giants were
kind of done maneuvering.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Don't think that's the case.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's going to be late, Bob.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
I guess my guess is he's not saying that to
the media assembled at the facility tonight.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think that is probably true. That's Bob pop a
voice of the Giants joining us on Giants Jeff reaction
presented by We're up to Bob, presented by Crushing. I'm
I'm gonna give Sean a pass there. I've known him
a long time for bringing up the Eagles last year.
But one thing I know about Sean he hates talking
about the two thousand and seven Super Bowl team. He
never brings them up ever in our conversations or in

(18:10):
football comparison. So you have to understand that's where he's
coming from.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
The Birds.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I'm talking about seven I've just had I'm making the joke.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, all right, I can't even remember what happened what
happened there exactly?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, folks, Let's get to the calls. Two on
one nine three nine, four five one three. The Browns
got their picking very quickly. They did not continue to
trade back like we were considering. That was an option
to try to get a more draft capital. There were
rumors teams won the trader for Ashton genty, who is
still on the board now because after Will Campbell went
to the Patriots at four Mason Graham, the defensive tackle
out of Michigan, went to the Cleveland Browns at pick

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number five. All right, let's get to the calls now
at two on one nine three nine four five one three.
Let's go to Sosa in California. Sosa, you're up, first
year on the Giants Draft Reaction Show. What's up, Sosa?

Speaker 5 (18:58):
What's going on today?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
We're good?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (19:02):
All right?

Speaker 6 (19:03):
I want to give a shout out to Pully Dots
because I feel like he called it. I feel like
he called it because because Jaguars, they traded up to
go get Travis Hunter, and I, honestly, low key, I
feel like Travis Hunter is the the number one player
in the draft if you're going best of it, I mean,
like overall, you know what I mean. So I think

(19:24):
he kind of proved that. So I just wanted to
give a shout out to Pully Dots.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
On that one.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, to be fair, to be fair, I would have
you know, I told people that I thought Hunter and
Carter were one and two on my personal list of picks,
not who I predict the Giants would take, and Hunter
got taken, so Carter was the guy left. So that's
kind of the way it fell into my lap, if
you will, so.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
That you did good.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
But yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, and I really liked
the Carter pick. I'm glad we didn't force anything. I
would have to be honest, I would have I would
have liked to see us potentially trade back too, But
I get it, you know, for us to go get Carter,
you know that that makes a lot of sense. Lastly,
I'm I'm gonna leave it after this. I've really want

(20:10):
us to go get one of these quarterbacks. I think
we're probably gonna have to trade up until the end
of the first go get one. But I think we
could see how it plays out because we never know.
Like we were assuming that New Orleans is gonna go
for a quarterback, but we don't know that for sure.
We're assuming that the Steelers are gonna get one.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, I'm gonna cut you off. I don't think we
I don't think we do. Think New Orleans is just
picking a quarterback. No, I mean I don't think. I don't.
I don't think they are. So I think the next.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Quarterback I mean the general public. Yeah, the general public,
at least from what I've been here, and a lot
of people think the Saints. Sorry, but yeah, I hope.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
We go get one of those guys.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
My purpose would be Milroe, to be honest, just with
the intangibles, the tools, I think cash them up with
Dave Ball. I think it'll work out really well. But yeah,
great pick.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
I give it an a.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Plus so far. So let's keep you going, Joe, Shane
and Staff.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I appreciate you, thank you appreciate.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
It so so yeah, I mean, honestly, based on everything
we were hearing the last couple of days, another quarterback
unlikely to go in the top ten based on what
we've heard. But again you got the Steelers saying there
were twenty one. There's a chance they take a quarterback,
and then maybe someone could move back in from the
second round to select one. Based on what we're hearing,
Ashton genty off the board of number six to the Raiders.
If there's one truth in life, if Pete Carroll's coaching

(21:23):
a team, they're going to draft a running back and
they got the best one in Ashton Jenky. So that
actually worked out pretty well for this.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Is he not remind you of Beast Mode Part two?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
It does?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Wat Marshall, Lynch and Seattle All those years, and it
was Pete that was feeding them until they got to
the one yard line.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I need to throw another team into this possible quarterback mix.
Who's behind tu in Miami Zach Wilson. Do you really
think Miami is so thrilled with a tur who's been
often injured and Zach Wilson, who has not done much
in this league.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I think that team needs to win now. I think
they paid two a lot of money, and I think
they need a lot of players because their cap.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
He's probably one hit away from retirement.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I understand, but I don't think anyone you're drafting there
is helping you right away anyway.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
So and I get the point. I just think that
if you want to take a long shot, yeah, I
think Miami might be on the fringe of that convery.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, that connection really hasn't been made. You know, they
could surprise I guess, but that can actually know I
said a long shot. Yeah, absolutely, all right, two one, nine, three, nine,
four five one through. It's good at Daniel and Edgewater.
He's up next, Hi, Daniel g Man.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
Our defense is backed.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
I am so pumped up.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
We finally have a linebacker with.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
Speed and agility. You can put him in the middle,
you can put him on the.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
End, you can spy him.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Oh, Sean, aren't you in love? I'm in low. I
know you. Look.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I think it's great. Look. And every time you're in
met Life Stadium you see those banners hanging up. Every
single one of the championship teams had a guy like
Abduel Carter at least one.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
Oh it's crazy, you know.

Speaker 9 (22:56):
And me and Sean go back to Rutgers.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
So I love, Are you wrong? Are you raw?

Speaker 7 (23:04):
Are you baby?

Speaker 5 (23:05):
DJs and bell Mare.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Rutgers, on the other hand, has not had a lot
of players.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Djshunka bunka. Where are we going to Seaville?

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, this is doctor Dan for better anyway.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
I am so pumped up.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Listen, Paul John, you guys are the best.

Speaker 9 (23:22):
I listened, Thank you religiously. Even when I'm seeing patients,
I kind of sneak you guys in sometimes and appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Make my day.

Speaker 9 (23:30):
Appreciate it, man.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
No, I appreciate Daniel. Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Dan the man.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I was gonna make jokes about if he plays his
patients from Paul Datino to like either get him excited
or to calm him down. I'm not sure what they do, but.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
They would probably play clips of me to get people
out of a coma. Actually it's better than the smelling salt.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Like the Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Don't worry about that big adrenaline shot, all right, just
bring in, Just just put up BVK and start playing.
Paul two A high three and nyed four five to
one three. Back to the phone. Let's go to Manny
in California. Manny, you're on Giant's draft reaction shows that
a buy C Restaurant.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
John. You've done such a great job educating everybody and
getting us ready for the draft.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Paul. Will remember about a month ago I was I
went on a rant and said I was having a
nightmare that we were going to end up with Aaron
Rodgers and Shador Sanders.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I told you not to worry, didn't I? I told
you you were worried too. I mean that was a
per of concern.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
That was my nightmare.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
So now now I have my new nightmare because of
the of Cleveland trade. They've now got two second round
picks and they can move up and get the quarterback
that perhaps of Joe Shane and Brian dable want at
almost any place, and I don't want us to be
a panic that we give up this extra draft capital

(24:59):
that we have to do it. I hope we can
be lucky enough to get past whatever Cleveland does and
the Steelers and hopefully only have to, you know, maybe
use the second the later third round pick or a
fourth round pick to move up just a couple of spots,

(25:21):
or if they're gutsy enough to sit tight.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Now many many I think you bring up a really
good point and appreciate the call. The Browns now do
have a lot of ammunition if they really want a quarterback.
They have a lot of picks. I need to look
at their total pick number. I don't have it in
front of me here, but they have a ton of picks.
I know they've reduced a number by a couple with
that odd trade they made with the Texans earlier today

(25:45):
where they've traded a couple of sixes for a five
and a seven.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But you know this is what they had.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
They have, so now they have two two's, two threes,
a five, a six, and I think two seven.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So that second round pick is the first pick of
the second.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Round, correct, So I believe I believe they have eleven
or twelve picks. We don't have an updated list here
with with after the two trades they made, but they
have a lot of ammunition and if there's a guy
that they want, they will have the pick capital necessary
to move up and get that guy. So I'm not
saying the Giants aren't gonna be able to do that,
but they're gonna have to be aggressive in their posture.
If the Browns are in fact in that conversation, maybe

(26:24):
the Browns are okay just sitting there and picking. I
think that's a possibility too. If they like a core,
maybe they like two quarterbacks and they're happy to have
one of them fall to them. I don't know what
their thought processes here. Maybe they don't need a quarterback
this year. Maybe they're going into a long term rebuild.
I don't know what their thought process is, but that
does make the competition and move up a little bit tougher.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, there's no doubt about that. And John, we discussed
during the course of the Big Blue Kickoff Live show
during the day twelve thirty pm, one hour every weekday.
By the way, right here on giants dot Com, we
have talked about the fact that there are probably three
or four teams who after the first round may want
to be interested to move back back into the bottom
of the for and they're one of them. And now

(27:02):
they got, like you said, the capitol to.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do it and the teams to keep an eye on
that might trade back. Daniel Jeremiah had the Seahawks and
his final mock trading back the Broncos, who are looking
for a running back. This is a deep running back class.
They could always talk about moving back, though Sean Payne's
been always been more of a move up guy than
a move back guy when he was with the Saints.
The Minnesota Vikings have very few picks at twenty four.
They can move back. By the way, I know everyone
expect the Steelers might pick a quarterback. They don't have

(27:25):
a second round pick from the DK Metcalf trade, so
they could always want to trade back too if they're
not looking for a quarterback in that spot. The Rams
are always a team that likes to move and collect
extra picks, and then the Washington Commanders are a team
that's short a third round pick because of the Deebo
Samuel trade, So all those teams could use extra selections
between picks eighteen and thirty two. So those are the

(27:46):
slots I would keep an eye as potential trade partners.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah. Yeah, going back to the Cleveland thing, they do
have a lot of AMO. So they have the thirty
third pick, which is the first pick of the second round,
and then with that trade they also got the thirty
six pick, so they've got two picks well, you know,
within four picks of the draft. So look, they could
sit there and after the first round say, look we
got a shot at getting another stud quarterback in the

(28:10):
second round and getting another player too, so you know,
I mean, look, who knows where they have chadur out there.
But even if it's like Tyler Schuk or someone one
of these.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Other guys who knows of their second quarterback.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
They can end up just sitting standing pat and not
using any of that currency to move back up. But
uh yeah, the Pittsburgh thing is a little bit interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I need to get to the calls here because we
got to wrap up in a minute. Let's go to
the phones at two oh one nine three nine four
five one three. Let's go to Steven and Boulder. He's
up first, Steven, what's going on, man?

Speaker 9 (28:40):
How are you guys, we're gonna do a great job.
And I have a quick question. I know you're on time.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, we're okay, So okay.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
Well, first of all, Sean, I thank you for your
Super Bowls and a lot of enjoyment. When I lived
in Syracuse, Newark, I always enjoyed watching the Giants, and
now I'm the giant guy in Boulder. And here's my question.
Calvim Cord was essentially thrown out of a high Io state
despite the fact he didn't look bad and went to
Syracuse with a lot less talent and really put that

(29:07):
team on his shoulders and did tremendously. My question is,
given the fact that none of these other quarterbacks are
really sure things, and you're taking a chance anyway, what
about either the late third round pick, the later third
round picks, or the fourth for McCord.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I know'll Paul, you're a fan president of the Kal
McCord fan club. I think he is the sleeper quarterback
in this raft. I think ninety nine or one O
five would be really good value there for him. And
I'll be frank with you, he turned out better than
Will Howard, but that's based on what happened this year
when he was at Ohio State, there were some things

(29:44):
about him that weren't as good. He kind of busted up,
busted out of that and polished it up with Syracuse.
But I'm with you. I think he'd be a great
sleeper quarterback later on in the draft.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
All right, Anthony and Florida will wrap us up. Anthony,
what's up.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Hey, guys, Cup.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
I don't know if you remember I called like three
months ago about mil Roe when you guys were doing
dude talking about the draft. But so now like it's
very realistic. So now I'm back on this that I
think it's possible that it could happen tonight, maybe even
if they trade up. But my main thing is, like
I wanted to try to talk to Paulie because I

(30:23):
don't know. There was a Pat Kirwin has a show
and he like brought up mil Roe and everything, and
he was talking about like how how he's a totally
different quarterback than the Richardson guy and how much better
he is, and I just want to see if Paulie
listened to that conversation.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I did not hear that particular episode. I love Pat
Kerwin on serious NFL radio, but I did not hear
that particular conversation. I think anybody who talked to us
at the combine John and I were both out there
for a week, pretty much told us that that's a
guy who you can maybe get him on the field
initially is a part time gadget quarterback and do some
things with him, but that he's going to need some

(31:04):
long term development, which, of course, if you're the Giants,
that should not be an impediment because you've got guys
already who can play this year. So that's about the
only thing I'll say there. But he's certainly more of
a legs quarterback than he is a pocket guy.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
All r each you guys got about twenty seconds for
final thoughts, Shun.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think it's for the Giants right now to get
a guy like Abdul Carter and not have to move
up to get him, not have to give anything up.
I think this was a slam dunk with that third pick.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Overall, Paul, they were assertive, they saw a guy, they
felt strongly about him. They didn't play games, they didn't
mess around. They just took the best guy on the board.
How do you argue with that?

Speaker 1 (31:38):
And they got one of the few blue chet prospects
in this class. It is hard to argue with that.
And now they look ahead to the next pick at
thirty four. Will they stick, will they trade up? Will
they take a quarterback? Will they pass on a quarterback?
Where could they trade up? Will stay tuned. All the
Giants social media platforms will keep you updated throughout the draft.
If they do move back up into the first round
to make a selection, we will be back with you

(31:59):
at some point. It might be right after the draft,
if it's late, if it's a little bit earlier than that,
we'll figure it out again. Just stay tuned to our
Twitter feeds, the Giants app. Giants YouTube channel will go
live again if the Giants do make another pick tonight.
At some point, the quarterbacks to keep an eye on
Jaylen Morrow, Shador Sanders. I would say Tyler Shooks in
that conversation out of court Jackson Dart are the guys

(32:21):
that have been mentioned by the draft community as potential
options in that next group of quarterbacks. Who knows the
Giants have somebody else in that mix, you don't know.
You could also look for one of the other Giants
needs on the fronts on the defense of the offensive
line or weapon on offense too. So a lot of
things as possibilities for the Giants here, but they walk
away with the third overall pick with one of the

(32:41):
defensive stars in this draft, Abdul Carter, edge player out
of Penn State. That's all the time we have for
the Giants. Jeff Reaction Show presented by Crush John from
the Hackensack Meridian Health podcast studio. Keep getting better once again,
Stay tuned. If the Giants do trade back into around
the world. Will be with you again at some point tonight.
Stay tuned to all of our platforms for that information.
For Sean, I'm John, Thanks for being with us. The

(33:02):
Giants select Abduel Carter out of Penn State. Welcome to
the Draft Reactions though Pardue brought to you by Kreshtron.
The Giants trade back into the first round and they
select Jackson Dart quarterback out of Ole, miss with the
twenty fifth pick in round number one in a trade
with the Houston Texans. Hello, everybody, I am John Schmelk,
joined again by Paul Latino and Super Bowl champion Sean

(33:24):
O'Hara will take your calls at two h one nine, three, nine,
four five one three if you want to get on
the phones and react to the Giants selection of Jackson Dart.
Of course at third overall, they selected Abdul Carter a
bit earlier in the draft. Now the details of the
trade first. In order to move and get this selection,
the Giants traded their second round pick, which is picked
thirty four overall, their second third round pick. That was

(33:48):
the compensatory pick that they got for losing the combination
of Zavira McKinney and Saquon Barkley in last offseason, which
every those guys was not canceled out. That was pick
ninety nine, and they all still had to send a
third round pick in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft
next year's draft, so it was a three for one trade.
But they move up with the Houston Texans to twenty

(34:09):
five and select Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss. I'll
go through some of the numbers, but first sean your reaction.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I feel like this was destiny has a Jackson Dart
kind of been. This has been in the works. I
feel like for so long now, everybody's been talking about
there's been whispers, there's obvious connections there with him playing
in ole Miss and Eli being and ole Miss. I
think when you look at Jackson Dart, he fits Brian
Dables offense to a tee. And what he did down

(34:37):
in ole Miss. Look, it was a very quarterback friendly, pass, pass,
frenzied offense, but it also had a lot of RPOs
in it. Charlie Weis junior the offensive coordinator, and Lane
Kiff and the coach the head coach there. Look was
this offense was obviously built around Jackson Dart, but I
think a lot of the things he did that with
ole Miss are some of the same things that Brian

(34:59):
David wants to do in his offense. So I think
that fits like a glove. But Jackson Dark, he's an
impressive thrower, and I think he's just got a natural gift.
He Look, he doesn't have the rocket arm. He's not
throwing missiles left and right. He's got a lot of touch.
He's got great ability with the layered throws.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I would say inn above average NFL arm.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I think he's got a stronghold yeah, Like I'm not
like a Josh Allen rocket Yeah cannon for an arm
like that. That's not the first thing that you say
about him. He can make all the deep throws. Look,
he led the FBS and throws over twenty twenty yards so.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
And ten yards seventy four.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, you know. I mean, he took a lot of
shots down the field. But he's got he's got a
knack for throwing a very catchable ball. Like I played
with a guy in college at Rutgers, Mike McMahon. He
threw heaters all day long. He actually split the fingers
on a wide receiver because he threw the bastile hording
really well and it was almost like the receivers like, dude,
it's it's uncatchable because the ball is sore. He throws

(35:53):
a very catchable ball, and I think he's he's exactly
what the Giants needed. Obviously, they need a quarterback for
the future, but he's not a guy that they're gonna
have to come in and play right away. He can
mature a little bit, he can learn the ropes a
little bit. He's got to learn about going through some progressions,
something that he didn't do a whole lot of them

(36:14):
in college. So I think that's something that he's gonna
really have to work at. But I think he's a
competitor I think he's he's the type of quarterback that
every team wants to have because he's one of those
guys that kind of galvanizes the locker room and brings
everybody together, and you know, he he's somebody that wins
the locker room before he has before he even goes out,

(36:34):
and wins the football game.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
And if Sean has to run out at some point
during the show, folks, we're trying to get Jackson Dart
on a zoom call. So if Sean just disappears and runs,
he doesn't find this objectionable, at least not so much
that he's leaving. He might still find us objectionable. But
if that's if he leaves, that's why Paul Jackson Dart
just over six to two hundred and twenty three pounds, right,
big kid, sturdy frame. He's not a runner per se,

(36:58):
but he did have fifteen hundred rushing yards over the
court over the course of his college career. Last year
he ran for four hundred and ninety five yards his
forty one starts. He started one year at USC where
he played in six games, I think started three of them,
and then he started the last few years at all Miss,
so he has a lot of experience, and he's a

(37:19):
pretty darget athlete too.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
He's tough, he's physical, he's strong, he is not afraid
to take it down and run, and quite honestly, he's
what you call a football player. Coaches will say about
some quarterbacks. They're football players because they're gritty and they've
got that blue collar work ethic, and they're not afraid
to take a hit and they're not afraid to take
a defensive player on when they run downfield. Some guys

(37:42):
are looking for that sideline and they want to take off.
You guys know that he doesn't do that. He's going
to try to make a play. Here's what I love
about him the most, though, John. If you look at
his career right in his four years of college football experience,
each and every season, his completion percentage went up every year.

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His yards per attempt passing went up every.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Year, and he led by the way last year the
FBS and yards per attempt.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And his yards per catch reception or completion went up
every single year, So not just attempts, but completions as well,
and lifetime in the NCAA touchdown interception ratio of eighty
one to twenty seven, which is three to one, and
every coach will drool over a three to one ratio right.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
There, sixty nine percent completions last year. I'm going to
give you two quotes about the guy very quickly that
I got from DAMEE Brugler's Beast. The fact I was
with Dane when he asked these questions of this guy
at the NFL combine. I was there when he asked
the question. So two defenders on the team, JJ Pegeese,
who's a defensive tackle. The quote from him about Dart
He's the most competitive guy I've ever seen from a

(38:53):
defensive player. And then prince lye Uman Mialen, who's going
to be a Day two pick likely Pigeeze a Day
three pick. Backs. Of my previous schoals kept to themselves
or only talked to the offensive guys, but Jackson connected
with everyone on the team. So I think those two
quotes from guys that play in the trenches on the
defensive line are important.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Sean, Yeah, I think that speaks volumes about what kind
of guy he is. And you know, I think one
of the great things about Eli when he came in
number one pick overall in the draft. You know, there
was a lot of speculation about what kind of kid
are we getting with Eli? He refused to play for
the Chargers. Is this kid like a spoiled brat? What
are we getting? Eli immediately came in and he was

(39:33):
not above anybody. He wanted to be just one of
the guys. He wanted to hang out with everybody, and
he did that. He spent time with everybody, and I
think that's what endeared all the players to Eli. I
get the same sense with Jackson, and I know he's
got a relationship with Eli. I know he knows the
Manning family. I think he understands the role as a quarterback. Look,
you're the face of the franchise and you're the face
of the team, but you can't win without everybody in

(39:56):
the locker room being behind you and being next to you.
So I think he understands that. And to your point, Paul,
like he has started everywhere he's been. He started as
a freshman in high school, he started on varsity, and
he has been that kind of leader throughout his entire career.
So he knows how to how to get guys together,
he knows how to motivate guys. He knows how to

(40:17):
bring guys in and I love that competitive spirit in him.
And look, you couldn't go to any football team and
you want to know what the quarterback is like, go
ask the dbs because quarterbacks and defensive backs are always
drawing on each other and seven on seven, because they'll
always tell you if you had a if they got
the best of you that today, hey man, we took
your money today like they're dawn at you. And then

(40:39):
if you throw a couple of touchdown paths on him,
you're giving it right back to him, So I can.
I know Eli had some banter with with some of
the guys, and you know that was always something in
training camp and OTAs that. You know, Bruce arians used
to put a dollar bill up in the offensive media
room and if the defensive guys took god us that day,
they would come in and take the dollar and put
it in their defense to me room and then it

(41:01):
was kind of like a back and forth. But there's
that competition that you get, and I think that tells
a lot about a quarterback if he's got that kind
of relationship with the defensive guys.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
We're in the Hackenzach Mariney Hill podcast studio, keep getting
better and now we welcome back in the Voice of
the Giants, Bob Papa Bob Acourse hosted a radio show
with former Giants assistant coach Charlie Weiss for a long time.
His son is the offensive coordinator Ole Miss. So, Bob,
I know you've talked to Charlie a lot about Jackson
Dart and what he brings to the table. So what

(41:31):
have you learned about him in your interaction to Charlie
talking about the player.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Well, I think one of the things that Jackson Dart
won a lot of these teams over is what Sean
was talking about. I mean, I know for a fact,
through Charlie Weiss and via his son, that Jackson Dart
is the guy that you want as your face of
your franchise because he embraces it and he also is

(41:59):
someone that brings everybody together. Hey, let's face it with
this nil and the transfer portal, Jackson Dart was out
there for Old Miss recruiting players from other schools and
people wanted to come play at Old Miss, which is
why they had all these transfers. He was getting on

(42:19):
the blower with people. The point that you made about
the defensive players. They love Jackson Dark. Jackson Dart is
a bring everybody together type leader. He's going to handle
being in the building and not have this attitude about him.
He's a hard worker. He's gotten better and better over

(42:41):
the course of time. And I know there's a lot
of people out there that say, hey, you know, the
Giants really reached here Jackson Dark going into the first round. Look,
it's not a coincidence that the minute the Giants traded
to twenty five, the Rams traded out of twenty the
Rams were going to take Jackson Dart as the heir

(43:05):
apparent to Matthew Stafford to be his understudy. McVeigh loved
everything that Jackson Dart brought to the table, So that
should be enough for Giant fans out there who are
sitting there saying why did they give up this and why.
That's how highly regarded he was by people that understand
the game, understand what leadership is, Understand what being the

(43:29):
quarterback is, because it's more than just playing a position.
It's unlike any other position. Sean knows this, he verbalized
it before, and I think he's going to be a
really good fit. And you know, to have Eli Manning
in the building, and I know Eli does not get
involved in the football stuff, but to have another old

(43:50):
miss guy there to just kind of be a steadying hand,
I think is going to be great. And then we'll
see how this quarterback room winds up shaping out as
far as how they go into the season. But right
now they got four on our roster, Bob, I think.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
One of the really important things to remember here is
that so many first round quarterbacks, especially when they're drafted higher,
they're expected to play right away. They get thrown into
the deep end of the pool. The benefit that Dart's
going to have is not only does he have great intangibles,
great leadership skills and a terrific demeanor to melt into
a locker room, but he doesn't have to play a

(44:25):
snap this year. If everything goes right, he's a red shirt.
That should be a great advantage to him when he
finally gets the opportunity to take over this offense.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Well, Paul, that is true in principle, okay, but Sean
lived it. He knows what it looks like. I mean,
it depends on how the season's going. If the Giants
are a sub five hundred team, more than halfway through,
and it looks like they're prospects of making the playoffs
aren't looking good. You know what the cry is going

(44:55):
to be when just like when the Giants were five
and Eli's rookie season, but they had suffered. I think
Straighthan got hurt. They had a whole bunch of injuries
on the defensive side of the ball, and the feeling was, well,
our chances of really doing anything are pretty limited because
we got all these defensive guys hurting out for the year.

(45:19):
Now it's time to get the kid in there. So
Jackson Dart may get a red shirt. Ear It really
depends on how the team performs. If the team is
in the playoff mix, he'll get that true red shirt.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Ear Bob, I want to ask you about that offense.
Do I know Charlie Weiss talks a lot about the
scheme down there and there are a lot of college
elements that on offense with you know, they set a
lot of things up for the quarterback. They make the
decisions easy. But if you listen to the thing we
did with Phil Simms on the Johnson podcast other day,
he said, look a little bit more than that, and
I think people saw some West Coast elements get put

(45:53):
into that offense towards the end of the year. So
give me the inside scoop from Charlie, from his son,
how that offense that he operate at Ole Miss will
help translate to the National Football League.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
It's a pro style offense. I mean, yes, they incorporate
other things into it to fit into the college game,
but it's they're running a pro style offense. There's a
lot of elements to the pro game that are in
there because Charlie Wise Junior is using a lot of
the principles that he learned from his father as far
as the offense, and Lane Kiffin has been in the

(46:25):
National Football League, so it's not like it's one of
these Chip Kelly you know, exotic wide open, you know,
all this fast break stuff. There's a lot of elements
to the pro game and that you know, before you
interviewed Phil Simms yesterday, before that awesome Sponsors Breakfast happened.

(46:46):
You know Phil Simms, you know he likes to go
on these ramps. He can't stop still and he's like,
I can't believe these people are talking about it's not
a pro offense. Nick, Yeah, it's a pro offense, and
he like gave me all the reasons why, and he's like,
that's one of the few offenses in college football that
actually does look like a pro offense. So I don't

(47:07):
think there'll be any issues with that. Davill obviously had
success mentoring Josh Allen as a young player. He'll know
what to do. And hey, look, if you're a Giants
fan right now, you have to be a static. I'm
a static, you know. And you didn't lose your first
round draft pick next year. I know you lost a

(47:28):
third in a second and they do have another third
round pick, but if you got the guy, I mean,
how many of those third round picks actually pan out
on average? I mean even second round picks don't always
pan out. But if this guy is going to turn
out to be what you think he can be, heck,
you'd give it that'll you give that up every day
of the week.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
No doubt about it. And Bob, I think you're spot
on right now. If you're a Giants fan right now,
if you're listening, if you stayed up and you stayed
with us, we appreciate you. But the fact that we
just got Abdul Carter and now Jackson Dark all in
the first round, and we didn't have to give up
a future first round pick to do any of that.
I mean, that's a double win right there, and impact

(48:11):
players for the next four to five years on both
sides of the ball. And by trading back up in
the first round, you know we're talking about do they
play him in the first year? Does he red shirt
by getting him in the first round. You signed him
a five year contract, so if you got him in
the second round, it would just be a four year contract,
so you can afford to not play him in that

(48:32):
first year. So there is value in trading back into
the first round and getting him from that standpoint, But
I think with the offense of what you're talking about scheme, like,
I just want to go back to Brian Dable was
with the Patriots for a long time, won a bunch
of Super Bowl rings with the Patriots. Then he went
to Alabama and was the offensive coordinator, won a national
championship there in the college game, and he piled for
a lot of that college scheme, that style, the RPO,

(48:56):
the quarterback design runs and all that stuff. He pilled
for a lot of that brought that with him to Buffalo,
used that with Josh Allen, and that's some of the
similar stuff that we're talking about that he was that
Jackson Dart was doing down with Lane Kiffin and with
Charlie West Junior in Ole Miss. So, you know, Brian
Dabele can he can adapt his offense to all of
those things because he's already been doing it. He has
already done it, he's already seen it. So I think

(49:19):
this is a great fit on both on both sides
of it for Jackson, for Dable, And I think you know,
to your point, Bob, about Jackson Dart, the type of
guy he is, Like he's the type of guy that's
gonna gonna step up to the podium, windows or draw
and he's gonna handle himself accordingly, which is not easy
to do here in New York.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
He's going to be a pro and I think people
are gonna recognize that right out of the gate. There's
not going to be Shenanigans with him. You know, he's
you know, you know these old ourselves guys like you
know Weiss and all these guys first in the building,
last one out, Like he's that guy. So I think
you're getting what you needed to get at this point

(50:01):
in time, and you got Russell Wilson as your starter.
We'll see what happens as far as the backup quarterback
situation is concerned moving forward. And then you have DeVito,
who's still a developmental player who they really like, and
you know they'll let it all sort itself out. But
you know, if you take one of these quarterbacks at three,

(50:22):
he's got to play. When you take them where you
took him, and you sign Russell Wilson, you can really
slow the role and they could be successful as a
team with Russell Wilson a quarterback and what they've done
to become potentially a dynamic defense. So I think, if
you're a Giants fan and I've been getting texts all night,

(50:43):
Charlie Weiss is like over the moon. He wanted to
see Jackson Dart go to the Giants. He really believed
that the Giants would be a great fit for Jackson Dart.
And the text I'm getting, you know from people who
are not Giants fans. These are people from around the league, like, damn,
they did well, they did really well and can't wait

(51:05):
for it to get started. By the way, can I
just Fini out, Well, can I go back to my
first time I came out with you guys. You know,
I gave the Thibodeau thing about why they should pick
up the fifth year option in my opinion, and literally
one minute later saying and his pressors announced that they
were picking it up. I had no inside intel. But
if you just think about it logically, it makes all

(51:25):
the sense in the world. Because his number is he
hasn't been to a Pro Bowl, So his fifth year
option number is what is it, like fifteen million dollars?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yeah, about fourteen and a half, you're right, Bob, Yeah,
very reasonable.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
I think it's fourteen point seventy five or something. So
it's like that that's nothing in this especially because we
know this the salary cap is going to go up
this ten percent or whatever for the next couple of
years because of all these games being put on Christmas
and they're selling games to Amazon and Netflix and all

(52:00):
all this other stuff, and the growth of the game internationally,
the CAP's going to keep going up. So a cavon
Thibodeau at fourteen point seven million on a fifth year
option is going to be a bargain. And if he
produces We'll worry about that problem when you get to it.
As far as whether you're going to give him a
second contract.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Bob, always a pleasure, my friend. Good talking to you,
And if you want, we're going live tomorrow after they pick.
The Giants have left a sixty five your mother, welcome
to calling if you want, Buddy.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Bring all right, I'll let you. I'll let you know
if I'm avel I got a golf tournament to work.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
All right, God, that will be on the nineteenth streen Baby,
all right, Bobby Tucky land of my.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
FRIENDSVP always ahead of the curve.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
That that's a voice of the Giants, Bob, Papa Jodias Uh.
The Giants Draft Reaction Show brought to you by Chris
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Let's go to the phones. If you had a couple
other picks come in, by the way, James Piers Junior
to the Falcons, Malachi Starks to the Ravens. To go
with Kyle Hamilton, Lions took Tyleek Williams, the big defensive
tackle at of Ohio State. So basically all the targets

(52:57):
that the Giants still had that thirty fourth pick Sewan,
you better go now they require you.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I'll be back in a flash.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Have fun, ask some good questions of mister dark that yes,
please enjoy Josh Connolly to the commanders to go with
Laomy Tunso bookend for Jaydon Daniels, Happy joy, and then
Maxwell Harriston the quarterback out of Kentucky to the Buffalo Bills.
All right, let's go to the phones at two one
nine nine four five one three. Kyle in New Jersey

(53:24):
is up. First year Kyle, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Hi?

Speaker 10 (53:29):
I just don't think that the Giants that have drafted
Jackson Dart, I honestly think Shuldary Sanders.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Was the right choice.

Speaker 10 (53:34):
Why well, he had higher completion percentage. He also had
a three to one TD two interception ratio. He threw
for almost the same amount of yards as Jackson Dart.
And honestly, like he started to build a relationship with
Elik Neighbors, I just think that he would be in
a better He would have been a better uh quarterback
for the Gimes.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
And and and I got you fair opinion. Other people,
I'm sure think the same thing. I will throw a
couple of things to to rebut a couple of your points.
I think should Or Sanders and Jackson Dart were very
close in terms of how a lot of teams viewed them.
So I'm sure there are people around the league that
also thought like you do, and that's fine. But should
Or Sanders through about twenty percent of his passes. I

(54:16):
think we're screen passes, which artificially boosted his completion percentage
a little bit, and it was still only slightly above
what Jackson Dart was at sixty nine percent last year,
and Dart had more downfield completions than Sanders did. And
Dart also played against much tougher competition in the SEC
than Sanders did playing in the Big twelve. So those
would be my rebuttals to your point. They'll I understand

(54:39):
your opinion, and I'm sure other Giant fans fear that
way too. That's fine. The Giants obviously preferred.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Dark, a sturdier build, and more mobility as well. Yeah,
I think he's a slightly more mobile player.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I agree with that. I think there are I think
Dart probably is a little bit of a better arm,
but it's comparable. I would say close. Yeah, two one nine, three,
nine four five one three. Let's go back to the
phones and say what's up to each and Patterson EJ.
You're on Giant's draft reaction. How are you.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
How's it going over here?

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
We're great, man, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Well?

Speaker 7 (55:08):
I just if I could take a quick quick shout
out to uh, thank everybody at the MetLife Stadium. I
actually just got out of the draft party with you guys.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Nice.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
I drove all the way from Rhode Island to attending
with my brother and family out there, so really really excited.
I just want to give a shout out to all
the people who helped out in the good time there.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
It was fun, it was amazing.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
It was amazing. Got to hang out with Brandon London
up there. I know that Bob Papa hangs out with
him too, So a lot of fun. Thank you guys.
Just want to kick shout that.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
But pull off to the side of the road. If
you're going to be talking to us on the phone,
please don't get yourself in trouble.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
You know, Paul, there are all these things in cars
now you can get the phone call into the cars.
You don't have to hold the fun I know that
might be beyond your technical contes.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I have one of those and I use it. Thank
you safe travels. All right, EJ, what do you got for.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Us on the pick?

Speaker 7 (55:54):
So I apologize if anybody else said this beforehand, Like
I said, I know that's okay, you're going to jump
in here. But yeah, so kind of going off with
the last two callers, I won't say that statistically I
would have preferred Shad or Sanders. I'm really happy with
the Jackson Dart pick. But I think that Shador just
would have brought a type of just grits, a type

(56:16):
of attitude like a lot of people obviously we're not
a fan of and we're seeing that nobody's wanting to
pick that up, and you can kind of understand why
they don't want to do that. But I just think
that with just I feel like we've had a meh
culture recently in the last few years, that if he
would have been picked up and he would have came
in with the like I'm the new guy in the room,

(56:38):
with just a finesse and with a type of just
again attitude about him, I just think that it would
have invigorated everybody else and just been like, yeah, we
are the guys to be obviously in such a stacked
NFC East conference that we have or division, excuse me,
I just feel like that could have been like something
to just kind of put us over the edge, something

(56:58):
to kind.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Of look look forward to.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
Although I am very happy with the Jackson Dart pick.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I appreciate the call and look based on everything I've
heard about Jackson Dart is that he blew it out
of the water in all of his interviews. Yes, and
this is if you guys listen to our draft content
on the Johnsontle podcast. It's something that guests have said
to me over the course of the last month. This
is not me saying it, and that he has really
done a good job in these interviews with his personality.

(57:23):
I talked about how his defensive players on this team
at all missially respect him as a tough player and
a leader. This is a guy that will run, put
his shoulder down and try to run over dude.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Talk about grit. He's got it. He is a blood
and gut Scot like a blue collar quarterback.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
You're sand This is a tough player too. He took
a million his is years hip can back up, but
so was Jackson Dart and dark.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Dart is the kind of guy who, as you say,
he's gonna lay the pain on a defensive player on
occasion when he takes off. That's not that's not true.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
So you're telling me we're not gonna stop having the
starting quarterback, please slide when you're scrambling conversations.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I don't know about his baseball skills, but we will
find out if he.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
He actually was a high school baseball player.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
See that's something I did not know.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yes, I believe he was. I will double check.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Even though he was my favorite quarterback in the draft,
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yes, second favorite quarterback in the draft.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Right, well, we we also disqualified Ward becauseybody.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
But he was he was still a quarterback in the draft. Yes, yes,
all right, let's go back to the phone. Let's go
Jamie in New York. Jamie, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (58:25):
How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Were good man? How are you good?

Speaker 5 (58:28):
Things?

Speaker 11 (58:30):
So I was just I was trying to expect them
to go with Milroe. As one of you guys said,
Darry is the guy who can who can lay down
hates on the defense. But I think milrowe would have
been more of a projects guy for Gable because we
know how good he is with with you know, working

(58:53):
with quarterbacks, and I just think you know his his
running skills I think are the best in the draft.
And I just want to know what you guys think
about that, passing up on Milroe as a project guy
for Dayble to work with and then just taking Dark instead.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
You need to take this on a field.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Paul Milroe has two advantages over Darn. One is he's
got the best quickest, fastest legs of any quarterback in
this draft. Okay, that he has.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
And he probably has a better arm than Dark. That's
number two.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
He's got the better long ball than probably anybody else
in the draft in terms of being able to unleash
it and throw the darn think sixty five to seventy
yards every other box. Jackson Dark checks over Milroe. It's
really quite that simple. It's kind of a one sided argument.

Speaker 11 (59:44):
So you don't think Milro would have been a more
since we have Wilson and we have Winston and Russell,
that he would have been a project got to work
with for Dabel for a few years.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Well, you must understand something, and it's pretty unanimous when
you talk to anybody around in the league. That Dart
is not a just ad warter quarterback who you would
expect him to start Week one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Dart is also a developmental quarterback, but he's further along
as a passer than Millie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
He is possibly a year away from being ready to
play in the pro rather than two rather than two.
Because we've had guests on this program who have said
Milroll is going to be at least a two year
work working project.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
And I think that's what Chris sims on the Johns
Little Podcast, and that's how we put it that he
saw Dart as kind of a one year guy, and
I think he actually put standers in the category two
and he put Milroll into a two year project. Guys,
guys that you want to, you know, let marinate a
little bit and figure things out. Because look, as much
as you know Phil Simms loves the old miss stuff
as a pro offense, there is a lot of program
stuff in there. There is where you set up plays

(01:00:42):
with one specific guy to get open and you try
to get them the football that's in there when you
when you watch all Missus offense, So it isn't as
much of that full field. He flashes it. He shows
that point that he can make those full field reels,
he just doesn't have to make them consistently every play.
And I learned this talking to Kurt Warner last year
when I was asking him about Jay and Dana. I said,
you know, Kurt, I watched Jason Daniels as a million

(01:01:04):
slot fades. He's not throwing the ball over the middle.
And he said to me on the Johnsondtle podcast, John,
don't blame a quarterback for not doing something when you
don't know if he's asked to do it or not.
And we don't know what Jackson Dart was asked to do.
So if he's not being asked to make full fuel reads,
and we don't see that all the time, we only
see it in spurts, maybe when he's asked to do

(01:01:25):
more on a different offensive the pro level, he's going
to be able to do it very quickly. But there
is going to be and appreciate the call. There is
going to be a developmental process with him too, even
though it's not maybe as long of a process as
Milwer Now as.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
A footnote and to the caller, and I'm not in
the business of promoting other people's programs, but the John
Gruden Quarterback School, which he has with all of the
quarterback prospects going into the draft. His show with Jackson
Dart may have been the most impressive of all of
the quarterback shows that were taped over the last couple

(01:01:57):
of months. Go back and watch that, because you know
were you're just talking about a second ago, about plays
that maybe didn't go right, and you need to find
out why. That's what Gruden did and Gruden went deep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I have not watched that yet. I'm gonna watch it
tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
He goes deep with Dart about what did you see?
What are you doing? What do you want to do
in this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
This?

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
And this happens? And Dart blew Gruden away and you
will be blown away. If you watch that program, you
will understand why Jackson Dot is a whole nother level ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
All right, final call. The show is keenan New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Keen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (01:02:32):
John?

Speaker 12 (01:02:33):
Thanks for taking my call. I want to give you
a shout out because I listen to your draft podcast
every day.

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:02:38):
Great guests and great conversations and it helps fans like me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
You learn a lot.

Speaker 12 (01:02:43):
Two quick questions, One, why do you think there's a
big discrepancy. And how come like kind of phone network
guys they think Jason Dart's more of like a Day
two or even Day three pick. And why do you
think pro scouts are different? And why the Giants selected
in the first round? And second question didn't quickly? Uh,
there are like a lot of rumors yesterday that the

(01:03:06):
Giants are going to trade up for Jackson Dart. Do
you think something got leaked or how the Giants are
usually you know, keep cards close to the vest and everything.
So just one of your thoughts and how this leaked
out and how come the news got out that were
really interested interested in dark.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, key, good question. I don't have a good answer
for you. I don't know where that came from. It
could have came from the agent side too, if you
know those conversations happened. Who knows. There's really no idea.
I do know Brian Dable and Joshan aren't gole and
telling people what they're gonna do, So I'm not sure
where that came from. But you know, maybe they were
having early conversations about moving up for a player and
they told the team what player it was, and that
teams that there's a million different things ways these things

(01:03:45):
can get out there at times, so there's really no
way to know. What was his first question.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Well, he was saying that some of the TV people
that's thought that Dart was a second or third day pick.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I don't think anyone say third day. I never heard that.
Well I think I don't think. I think I think
day two, PA, third day night. And look, here's the
bottom line, guys, we don't know where the Giants had
dealt are on their board. But we talked about how
in this draft class, and Tony Pauline said on a wfancho,
there was a team in the league that just had
twelve first round grades in this class. So you're picking
it pick fifteen or later, you're already drafting guys with

(01:04:18):
second round grades. So maybe the Giants had a first
round grade on Maybe the Giants had a second round
grade on I don't know the answer to that. They're
not going I mean, maybe they did in the press conference.
We weren't there, but I doubt they're gonna tell you
what grade round grade they had on the player. But
there's a possibility the Giants had a second round grade
on them. But in order to get him because a
bunch of second round graded players are going off the

(01:04:38):
board in the second half of the first round. Because
of the nature of the draft class itself, you have
to move up and get the player. So in the quarterbacks,
you always have to elevate the value of his. Teams
are gonna go after those players, and you don't want
them to get taken out from underneath you. As Bob
Papa pointed out, there was a good chance the Rams
could be looking for a backup to staff at the
end of the first round. So these are all the
things you had to consider when you're looking at at

(01:05:01):
a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Well, you could also worried about Cleveland possibly trying to
straight back into the bottom of the first round and
Joe Shane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
We're just picking him at thirty three.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Sure, yea. Now in the media availability that Joe Shane
just had earlier tonight after they made the first pick
of Abdul Carter, he flat out told the media we
had calls about moving up and moving down, and people
asked him about a quarterback and what about the second round,
and he said, hey, we are close enough to the
bottom of the first round where you know, maybe we

(01:05:30):
could do something there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
And they said, I mean, this was obvious. I mean,
this shouldn't be a surprise given he was a second
quarterback taken obviously, But apparently Joe Shane did say during
his press conference today that Dart was the second quarterback
on their board, which makes sense because why would you
pick the third quarterback on your board if only if
one of the ones has been taken already. So, I mean,
he was their next guy they wanted. They wanted to
try to find a quarterback that they could believe in
and move forward with. And you do what you can

(01:05:52):
to get that player if you believe in him, and
that's what the Giants did.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
I think ultimately the bottom line for the Giants is
that they're feeling really good about the two guys they're
coming away with tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
And now tomorrow is gonna be a little less exciting.
There's only gonna be one picket sixty five, so we're
gonna have to wait a little bit. So we spend
all this time the last three weeks talking about what
the Giants do with thirty four, and well, we've got
to talk about they did with the thirty fourth pick,
just not who they picked. At thirty four, so but
we do have a pick tomorrow. The Giants will select
once at sixty five and then again at the top

(01:06:22):
of the fourth round one pick one oh five, So
those are the giants next two picks. Will be with
you tomorrow after the Giants select. Right when the Giants
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(01:07:08):
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Enjoy your night, Giant fans. Hopefully you have your franchise quarterback.
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(01:07:28):
will be here either tomorrow the next day, and we'll
get to meet him in person. That'll be a lot
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