October 29, 2025 • 31 mins
The group recaps the Giants loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, looks ahead to the game against the San Francisco 49ers, puts together the greatest Giants defense of this century, and does some Giants trivia.
:00 - Eagles recap
5:30 - 49ers preview
14:50 - Whaddayaknow? Whaddayasay?
17:40 - Giants quarter century defense
25:20 - Overs/unders
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone. Welcome to Week nine Giants Hangout, brought
to you by Crestrawn. My name is Madeline Burke, joined
as always by Russ Salzberg, Matt Sytek, and the Super
Bowl champ Jonathan Cassius. Guys, Before we get into Week
nine Giants Niners, we got to recap a little bit
of Week eight. It was a heartbreaker, but one of
the biggest heartbreaks was, of course, losing Giants rookie running
back Cam Scataboo to an ankle injury. A heartbreaker of
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an injury, Russ, how much of an impact is losing
scat not just to that game, but to this team
right now?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well, we were just talking about it off the air
amongst us.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It was a devastating loss.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And what really struck me, and I'm not saying teammates
don't care about rookies, but when this rookie went down,
you would think a ten year veteran who is the
heart and soul of the team for a decade went down.
That's how much he could arguably be the spiritual leader
of the Giants. And he went down, and the air,
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you know, using the oak cliche, came right out of it.
A balloon win that of the Sales. It was terrible,
devastating loss. But as coach Dabos said after the game,
next man up and you gotta move on.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You gotta regroup.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, you got to move on. And you know, for
Jackson Dart two, that was really tough for him. I mean,
that's one of his besties. We saw Dark go over
and give him a little headbutt on the cart getting
carved off the field. But you know, when you look
at what the offense is able to do, Matt from
that perspective, losing Malik Neighbors a few weeks ago, losing Scataboo, Now,
how do you evaluate this Giants offense now?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean, look, things are going to get even
tougher now with the loss of those two. I mean,
it's the best wide receiver on the team, one of
the best wide receivers in the league, and the rookie
running back who had been the best rookie running back
in the NFL, and a talented group of running backs.
So it's going to be tough. It's gonna, you know,
require Jackson to to spread the ball out even more
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than he was already doing. You know, we've seen a
lot of the two tight end sets increased in that
the last couple of weeks could see even more of that.
Luckily for the Giants in this situation, the next man
up is a guy, a second year running back who's
coming off a thousand yard season himself, in Tyrone Tracy,
who's no slouch. You know, he was the starter at
the beginning of the season prior to getting injured himself,
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which paved the way for Skataboo to take over as
the lead back. So it's a devastating injury. I mean, Jackson,
you could see it on the field immediately after his
reaction to Skataboo's injury there. As you said, they're best friends.
They have lockers next to each other. But Tyrone Tracy
is gonna step up now and again thousand yards last year. Like,
this guy is a successful running back in the NFL.
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So hopefully to drop of play. You know, he's not
gonna run guys over like Skataboo, but he's a little
more elusive, so hopefully, you know, we don't really see
much of a drop play in terms of the you know,
the running the backfield.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Luckily the Giants you have depth at running back
now we got to talk about the defensive side of
the ball, be cacies. I feel like in recent weeks
we've seen improved tackling, but you know they're still struggling,
especially that run defense, on that gap integrity and what
have you seen from the Giants defense, especially after giving
up almost three hundred yards on the ground against the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
You know, you see the mistackles and people think like
all mistackles get you beat.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That's not really true.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Misalignments, mental errors, that's what really gets you beat.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
That first play.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Assume me the second play of the game, which was
the first run play, Say Kwon Barkley was sixty five,
and I'm trying to see, like, okay, who's in the
They were misaligned because if that safety Nuban, it looked
like he was a half safety. He's playing so far
back deep. Somebody had to be in that B gap.
There was no one in that BE gap. So when
you see and people are gonna be like, oh, it's
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Nuban's fault. I don't expect my half safety to make
a tackle on a run play. He took a bad angle, yes,
but it was somebody supposed to be in that gap.
That's what I'm seeing on film, guys, I'm seeing a
lot of misalignments, a lot of mental errors, a lot
of guys in the front seven not being where they're
supposed to be. Sometimes it's defensive backs. That play was,
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I think is on a linebacker, and that's what you're
seeing on film. It's not about miss tackling all the time.
You got to put yourself in the right position to
actually make the play before you can even get to
the miss tackles. And that's what I'm seeing from the Giants,
And as the game went on, it just kind of
got away from them.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
It wasn't even about the misalignments and the miss tackles.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
It was about effort.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
And that's the thing that's very concerning to me, is, look,
when you're in a fight right. This game it was
even when you come with turnovers, right, And we thought
that going into this game, the team that made the
most mistakes, the team that turned the ball over more
with the team that's gonna lose a game. It was even.
It was zero zero, no turnovers, no takeaways, but the
Giants basically still got blown out. That's because it was
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a lot of mistakes. It was a lot of mental
errors and of course the scatterable thing was was huge.
And it's not about to play with him. It's about
what of Russ said earlier. It's about the intangibles. This
the spirit, the soul, like the effort that he brings
that he gets everybody fired up, and that is I'm sorry, guys,
(05:06):
it's irreplaceable.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, yeah, that spark is just intangible. That is why,
as russoluted to too, like he felt like a ten
year veteran the way that not just Giants players but
Philly the Philadelphia crowd gave him a standing ovation as
he was card off the field. That's not just what
an impact he's given to this Giants team, but also
to the NFL. And he's so fun to watch and
we're all wishing him a very speedy recovery and you know,
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looking forward to him making it comeback. But we turned
in the page to the forty nine and Strands are
back at Met Life on Sunday, hosting San Francisco Russ.
The big question mark though, is who's going to be
starting at quarterback, Mac Jones brock Purty. Mac Jones has
done well for them in recent weeks. Rock Purty's been
making his way back to practice though, But how do
you prepare to defend against the quarterback with a question
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mark there?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Matt Madeline, I don't
care who's the quarterback. My biggest concern is what the
defense is going to do getting ready for this game.
You know, you guys all discussed and JC, you know,
said it best. I saw alignment and things I didn't
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like that. Really, that's my biggest concern. I'm not concerned
so much about who the quarterback's going to be. I'm
concerned what the defense is going to how they're going
to improve. I gotta tell you you maybe I'm going
a little backwards here, but I just want to bring
out a point and again j C brought it up best,
that alignment on that second play of the game, that hole.
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I'm not taking anything away from Saquon's star ability. Okay,
we know how good he is, but you know what
that wasn't his ability that ran for sixty five yards.
That was the inadequacy of how the Giants were on
that play. The four of us could have held hands
and walked through that hole off the line, And to me,
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that's my biggest concern going into this game. How are
they going to regroup and get ready for the forty
nine ers. If I see a good defense, I think
we're going to take care of business. But I got
to see a major improvement what I've seen, let's say,
for the last five quarters.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right and to that point too. They've got some big
playmakers and Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle who's now back from
injury with the vengeance because he is how do you
zero in on those two?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, this is the thing about McCaffrey, he's only had
one game where he's had over seventy yards rushing. They
give him the ball in the receiving game, they throw
him the ball a lot. He gets twenty five touches
the game, guys, and he's not averaging. His average is
not crazy. He's a little less than four yards. But
that's the thing. They don't care. They're going to give
him the ball anyway. Same thing with Sakuan last week.
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Sakwan going into the game and he had probably his
worst season ever in the NFL. But they don't care
because they understand the talent. They will keep giving them
the ball. And what they're seeing on tape that the
Giants are putting out there. They're going to give the
ball to McCaffrey least twenty five times. They expect them
to get the ball thirty times and given maybe twenty
five rushes, especially if it goes well in that regard.
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And the Giants have to show something on film. They
have to show because it's still long season.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
We're eight games and we got what nine games left.
It's still we're not even at the halfway part yet.
The Giants have to show a better outfit on defense. Yes,
they can rush the passer. We've seen that Brian Burns
is playing tremendous. But if you can't stop the run,
those sack numbers are gonna start dwindling because teams are
just not even gonna pass the football. They're gonna run.
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And as far as the quarterbacks are concerned, you got
one quarterback. It's the same quarterback. They don't have a
different they have the same skill set, you know. So
I expect to see the same type of offense featuring
that running back McCaffrey and now George Kittle. The Giants
have struggled against tight ends historically. This year, my year,
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years pass they have struggled, So expect George Kittle Christian
McCaffrey to be the number one two punch against the Giants.
And honestly, they don't even have to go to nobody
else if the Giants can't stop those guys.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, and it's gonna be tough for the tough opponent
for the Giants defense. Let's talk about the Giants offense, Matt.
You brought this up earlier, how much they've been going
to some two tight end sets, playing a little bit
more twelve personnel on offense, especially after losing the leak Neighbors.
Now without Neighbors, without Scatt going into this game, I
would imagine the tight end would be a point of emphasis.
But sidetek, what does a successful Giants offense look like
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in Week nine?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, just on the subject of tight ends, you know,
we're filming this on Tuesday. Daniel Bellinger suffered a neck
injury this past Sunday and we have no idea yet
what his status is. I mean, hopefully he's good to go,
but there's a chance obviously that he won't be able
to which would obviously throw a wrench in you know,
all this talk about the two tight end sets but well.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You know Fidoni who has been making special teams plays,
who played his way under the roster.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And Chris Manhertz, who's you know, been very you know,
both of them have been prime used on special teams.
Chris Manners is a phenomenal blocker, you know, protection, run blocking,
pass protection great, but neither one of them, at least yet,
have shown the receiving skills that Daniel Bellinger has shown us,
especially these last couple of weeks where he's really kind
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of stepped up with Theo Johnson. You know, with Skataboo
now gone, maybe this offense becomes slightly more pass heavy
than it has been the last couple of weeks. I mean,
Tyrone Tracy, I don't think is you know, not that
they don't feel comfortable giving him twenty twenty five touches.
But he's not the battering ram type of running back
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that Cam Skadboo is, where he can just wear a
defense down. Tracy's skill Set's a little different, So I
don't know if they're gonna, you know, try to ram
him down the throat of the forty nine ers defense
like we've seen them do with Skataboo in the last
month or so. You know, maybe Jackson starts rushing the
ball a little bit more. Again, you know, the last
couple of weeks they've kind of veered.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Away from him.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I'd be a little wary of doing that against this
solid defense because you know they We've seen them supply
some very big hits on opposing players, and I don't
want Jackson in line to take a bunch of big shots.
You know, maybe it's the quick, quick pass game, get
the ball out of his hands quickly. I mean, again,
this Robert solid defense is pretty impressive. You know, they
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kind of picked up right where they left off from
when he left a couple of years ago to go
coach the Jets. So especially in the red zone, this
is a tough defense, the top ten red zone defense.
Giants are gonna offense are gonna have their hands full.
One encouraging note, though, I just want to drop this
little nugget in there. Jackson Dart is the only quarterback
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in the Super Bowl era through where his first five
career starts he has eight or more passing touchdowns, four
or more rushing touchdowns, and less than five turnovers. The
only quarterback in the Super Bowl or do that It's
been an impressive start for Jackson in his rookie year.
The Giants are gonna need a lead on him a
lot more this second half of the season, in with
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some of those playmakers no longer out there.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Can I just add to that with Jackson. One thing
that Jackson that he does very well. He scrambles, he runs,
he gets out of trouble and tries to make plays,
and he tries to make plays for his teammates. And
I'm gonna give you two examples, and listen, I love
these two guys.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
JC.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know how much we've been talking about tight ends.
But THEO Johnson was a ball at their twenty eight
yard line. I mean, Jackson put it right there for
THEO dropped the ball. And an earlier on a third
and sixteen, he threw a bomb that laid it right up,
right up for Darius Slayton, right up. This is the NFL,
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it's not college guys. You gotta make plays. You have
to win the battle for the balls. I'm not saying
they gotta be Molik neighbors. Okay, I'm not saying that,
but they have to. Those were two balls that needed
to be caught. We could talk about officiating and anything.
All we want you need to make plays, and they
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didn't make plays last week.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Hey, Russ, there was a time I think there was
the player you're talking No, it wasn't the player you're
talking about, But there was a play where Jackson Dark
scrambled to the right, then he scrambled back to the left. Yeah,
that play before he threw it was nine seconds. Do
you know how far we got down the field? We
got about six yards. So his ability to create and
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throw the ball, yes, is second to none. The receivers,
the tight ends, they have to do a better job
at number one catching the football more consistently. Number two
go downfield because you know, when I look at Dark,
his eyes are not looking shallow. His ours are looking
down the field. That is a big play. If your
quarterback can extend to play three four, five, six, eight
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nine seconds, that's supposed to be a big play. As
a defense, I'm getting nervous at the play keeps going
on and on and oning. I'm thinking, like, if that
ball goes up, it's going up. You know, That's what
I've always seen. They just have to do a better
job and give him, I think the safety net when
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he extends the plays because extending plays don't happen all
the time, right, that is, you know, off schedule stuff,
big plays happen there, not six yard games. So the
Giants have to take advantage whenever he does do off
schedule things well.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And credit to him though for being able to do that,
because watching it in real time, you're like, oh, okay,
that's where it's over. No, okay, oh he got out again.
It's like watching some like movie where you're like, how
does he keep escaping the bad guy? You know, and
then he keeps finding a way to extend the play,
and to your point, when he has that ability, you
want to see a bigger splash, but at least you know,
live to see another down. All right, I think it's
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time we got to turn the page to have a
little bit fun here, Russ, What do you know? What
do you say? Well?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What do I know? What do I say?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
This is what I say.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
As all of you know, we've had a lot of
great matchups over the years between the classics between the
Giants and the Niners. My favorite happens to be the
nineteen ninety NFC Championship game that took place out in
San Francisco. Of course, it was won by the Giants
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fifteen thirteen courtesy of not one, not two, not three,
not four, but five Matt Barfield goals. All right, the
final one being as time ran out at forty two yarder.
Giants win a game fifteen thirteen.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Now by no means was it easy, all right?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
In that game, late in the game, the Niners were
leading thirteen to twelve with the ball they were driving.
The Giants forced the fumble and they recovered subsequently going
on to win that game. All right, Ladies and gentlemen,
who forced the fumble and who recovered the fumble in
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the fifteen to thirteen NFC Championship game from nineteen ninety
nine and recovered the fumble.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Lt.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Taylor, Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Guess that everybody?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Did he recover or force?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
She recovered it?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
He recovered it, very recovered it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Leonard Marshall force it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, but that that was you remember the crunching hit
on Joe Montana in the back in that game. But no,
on this particular one, it was not Leonard Marshall. Another
member of the defensive.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Line defensive line.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Jordan Martin, does he still playing in the ninety what.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Can we get initials or one initial?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Eh? Eric Howard Bingo. So now we know Old Mattelin
needs his initials and it's a case closed.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like my brain is just not registering.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Can we get in every Coward? Easy?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
No problem, honestly, like we're we're learning, we're growing, we're evolving,
and what do you know what I mean, credits to
his crew were getting lt right off the bat.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I mean that was kind of a given.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually the Lenond Marshall one.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know what, when I first saw the thing, I'm saying,
wait a minute, I wanted to look up because I
was thinking Leton Marshall.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Because that Leton Marshall hit.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I mean, like, look like it paralyzed God forbid Joe Montana.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
It was a crushing shot. Very good people, very good.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I'm going all right, look at us. Go uh. In
other news, producer Pearson's Game of the Week. Last week,
we built an all quarter century Giants offense. This week
we're doing all quarter century Giants defense. So as a
group group project, we're putting together Giants quarter Century Defense
two thousand to two thousand, twenty five. Two inside linebackers,
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two outside linebackers, two D linemen, two safeties, two cornerbacks,
and one more player at any defensive position, which I'm
gonna go ahead and early project that this might be
a D lineman because I feel like that's a deep
spot for us. But let's start with inside linebackers. Who's
your two inside linebackers on the All quarter Century defense.
(18:25):
I'll go with Antonio Pierce. I'll throw him out there
at start.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, it has to be Antonio Piers.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I'm gonna go peers number one.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And you know what, I was racking my brain over this.
I couldn't really come, do you know, Antonio Piers, I
think we all agree is a given?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can I mean Bobby Crent, Michael Barrow, maybe Jonathan Casillas.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You're gonna throw out there, you know Chase Blackburn?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Ooh, Chase, big time super nominee.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I would say, let's let's go Chase Blackburn because he
made that big interception in the Super Bowl. Let's let's
go with him. That's a big time play, right there, guys.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's why I was going with a Jase just Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I couldn't find a second guy. Nail one down.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
After Antonio, but Blackburn made the big play, So I
would say.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Him inside linebackers AP and Chase Blackburn outside linebackers.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I got two. I'm gonna give it. I mean he
was there for a year or two in the decade.
Jesse Armstead would be.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But Jesse arm said, I think of mostly his nineties.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I guess, hold hold on. We said it goes from
two thousand to now. He was there. He was there.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And the other one I will use is he played
defensive end half the time and linebacker half the time.
Matthias Kiwanuka, I like that.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Or Olivia Vernon though Olivia Vernon honorable mention.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna go because the outside linebacker is like
a you know, back then, I would say, back then,
ten years ago, the outside linebacker is basically a defensive end.
Now they're kind of like, I'm not doing six to seven,
but now there they're kind of like back and forth right.
They could be a pass rusher slash linebacker. I gotta
go my guy, JPP. I gotta go Jason Pierre Paul
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because I remember, like a lot of times he was
standing up, not just on the ground.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
So I'm gonna go JPP.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I feel like Michael Straighthan was more of a traditional
defensive lineman, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, yeah, because I would have thought JPP would be
in the D lineman category. But if we put JPP
in the outside linebacker, then it just kind.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Of then you gotta put oc in there too too.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I'm going Jpp. I'm going JPP.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Gains if we're configuring it like how defenses are configured today,
where they D lineman is more you know of like
your Dexter Lawrence type guys, and the OLB is like
you know, obviously right now, Brian Burns, kvon Abduel or
ob right.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Then I feel that's how.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I'm configuring it.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I'm configuring it like that, yeah, because I was an
outside linebacker like I was in the middle.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I was an outside guy, but I was in the
four to three.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
It's the defensive scheme, guys we're kind of playing with,
you know, Samanta, Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I feel like, I mean this get tricky though, all right,
So our outside linebackers, who are we doing? Because that's
the thing we could go like guys like straight hand,
oh C, JPP could go either position. But there's some
guys that could really just only be outside linebackers. So
do we want to give them the hat tip at
the position or do we want to go with the.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well, who are you thinking that's gonna be an outside linebacker?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like Armstead, I feel like those I don't know JP, Yeah,
I don't know Jesse.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Jesse's inside.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Were we already got that. Jesse's inside.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
If we're going to go outside on some real steff,
we're going to go outside, we gotta go with a
guy I think right now that's probably one of the
best outside linebackers in the game at Brian Burns, because
we could take it, could take one current player. Can
we do that?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah, I would do Brian Burns. He's leading the league
in sacks right now. And look the Giants defensively, they
can't really do nothing against the run, but when it
comes to passing, he's top tier in the league by far.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah. I mean, as a Super Bowl champion defensive player.
We're gonna have to go ahead and take your word
on that one, like cause he has spoken. Brian Burns
gets the spots? Who gets the other spot? Side tech Russ?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I mean, if we're gonna not include the sort of
defensive ends from you know, fifteen twenty years ago. Then
I guess Kewanuka since he really did play something.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's why he said, yeah, all right, let's go kiw
and Burns an outsidelinebacker, d lineman.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Now, well, then those guys we just talked about now.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
To me, to me, it's one of three. It's two
of three.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's and they played together Stray, Justin Cook and O
s Island Stray and Justin Tuck.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We can do three because we get one more player
at any defensive that's the three.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
The three.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, that's the three.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
That's as much as I would like to include Dexter
Lawrence in that category the last couple of years, but
those three have the longer you know, track record to show.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, Stray, hann Oc talk our defensive lineman. Two safeties,
Land and Collins, those two of them, and.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
It was good, good gold. Yeah. Two all pro seeds. Yeah,
I like it a lot, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
All right, two safeties, Collins, two corners.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Tory Webster is one, Cory Webb, Jason, Seahorn Jason. Last
year I was going to.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Say d R C.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Of course, you know me, that's my guy, Sea Horn
ended in two. I was looking it up right now
ended too.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He's in He's in the window.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
He's in the window.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
But do we want somebody whose entire career was in
the window or.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
In the window? D r C is good.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
There's a couple of guys.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Sam Madison was good for a period of time, and
so was Terrell Thomas. And you can also talk about
Aaron Ross, you know, but Arry Webster, Corey Webster wins
it to me, hands down. Terrell Thomas would have had
a really good career if he was not hobbled by injuries.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
He had to sit out one year.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
But I'll let you guys pick the rest. Corey Webster
has to be the first guy.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean, Russ, I feel like I think our instinct,
our initial instinct of Corey Webster and DRC off the bat.
I like it our all quarter century Giants defense. At
inside linebacker, we got Antonio Pierce, Chase Blackburn. Outside linebackers,
we got Brian Burns and tys Qanuka, d Lineman, Strahann
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Oc and Tuck Safety's atro role Landing Collins and corners,
DRC and Corey Webster. Let's go, Let's go. It's a
pretty strong, solid defense. Let's see if the Giants this
week can play as well as that defense would. Giants
Niners Sunday at MetLife Stadium. Let's get a little over
under to end the show here, starting with the Giants defense. Uh, sidetack,
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I'll start with you on this one. Giants defense over
under two sacks Sunday against the Niners.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I am gonna go with over even though you know
Mac Jones, since he's been starting, he's only been sacked
more than twice in two of the I believe six
games he's played in, so it hasn't happened too often.
But if the Giants are gonna have any chance at
winning this game, it's gonna you know, they're gonna really
need the defense to step up in a big way,
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and more so in the run game than the past game.
But still, you know, this vaunted defensive line, we still
have not seen them really get like fully unleashed yet
this season. I think they're gonna firing up going over
all right, cas see.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Us, Yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. That's the
one thing that you can take away from this Giants defense.
They figure out a way, somehow, some way to get
to the quarterback. And of course we talked about Brian Burns. Man,
he just I mean, he fell into a sack last week.
But you know, I think that's the consistency with this uh,
with this team, that their defensive line can figure out
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a way to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
All right, Russ, Yeah, I'd have to go over as well.
I mean again, I've said it throughout this hangout. I'm
just concerned about stopping the runs. I'm just concerned stopping
a run. But if they do that, then then whoever's
the quarterback is going to have to drop back and
throw and that's gonna, you know, set them up for
a sack. So I'll go with everybody and go with
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the over.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I'll take the over as well, and I'll sprinkle it
a little extra bonus. I'm gonna give Brian Burns two sacks.
We've seen him do it multiple times this season.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
He's on it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Let's go and get it. His career high is twelve
and a half in a season. He's at ten through
eight weeks. Let's stock him all right over under two
and a half total touchdowns for Jackson Dart that's rushing
or passing. Russ, what he.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Said two and a half. Yeah, I'm over. You said
the numbers two and a half man, I'm gonna go
with over. But as long as it's rushing and passing,
yeah yeah, because.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
He is sake, I gotta go over to. I just
see Jackson man. He's such a playmaker guys man.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
He's he finds the guys man, and you know he's
willing to take the ball.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Down and run it itself too.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
So that gives me the extra like incentive to say,
all right, if he only has two passing, he'll probably
have an additional one rushing too, So especially with Scottaboo
not being there.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Right, yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. I originally
was leading towards under because as impressive as he's been,
he's actually only had more than two and a half
total touchdowns once in his five starts, and that was
that Broncos game. However, as JC just mentioned, no Scataboo,
I think when they get close to the goal line,
it could be Jackson keeping it himself just get into
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the end zone. So I think I agree with jac
completely two passing one on the ground and get to three.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I could see maybe one passing one on the ground
and then maybe another one. He better call Tyrone, you know, Tracy,
let's get get a little rik abad do on the
speakers of MetLife. I don't know who who do we
gotta call to get that in. We'll see, But Tyrone
Tracy I could see getting in the end zone this
week too, making a comeback. Finally, speaking of Tyrone, Tracy
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over under sixty yards rushing for Tyrone because see is
what you got.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I want to go over here. But I do see
Devin Singletary getting in the mix a little bit. You know,
you can't take away from Motor. I've said this to you,
Madden so many times that we spoke about him. I
think he's underrated. I think they can rely on him.
He's been in the league a long time. He's a
career four yard a rush, you know, for his career,
and I just think he might take away a little
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bit of carriage that we think Tracy might get. So
I'm gonna go under side tech.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna go under as well. The forty nine
ers have been pretty strong against the run, you know,
they haven't let too many running backs really go off
against them. As jac just mentioned, I think Singletary is
gonna have a good role. If this was total yards
from scrimmage, I would say all over because I think
he agree with that. Matt three plus receptions, they're gonna
lean on him in the short pass game. But purely
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rushing yards, I think under sixty for Tracy Rush.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
That's a good number. I'm gonna go over.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I just I like, you know, I didn't know what
I was gonna get from Tracy, but I was I pressed.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I think I'll go with the over.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And since we're talking about Singletary, I just want to
give kudos to Singletary because I took shots at people
before for not making plays catching a ball. One guy
who made a big time play catching the ball was
Singletary huge. I mean, behind the guy ball about to
go to the ground.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You gotta win the battle. So let's make sure they
win the battles this week.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yeah like it, Rush, I like it Rush.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
That was a big time play.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Fingertips, And unfortunately for the Giants, with so many other
let's call them storylines from that game, that catch and
that moment was really kind of fell down the total pole.
But Russ, thank you for bringing that up. Because that
is a little bit more attention the way that he
was able, I mean the low point, incredible play from
the vet. I'm gonna though, I'm gonna go with the
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over on sixty yards rushing. I'm gonna give him sixty
one yards. Price is right rules. Let's get Tyrone Tracy
sixty one yards. I think he'll get at least like
one chunk play on the day and then a couple
other you know, little bit here, a little bit there,
stack them, but you got to establish the run, keep
this offense going. Giants Niners Sunday, one pm at MetLife Stadium,
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Week nine. Let's roll. That's a wrap for our Week
nine Giants Hangout, brought to you by Creshtrawn for Matt Sidetech,
Russ Salzburg and the Super Bowl champ Jonathan Casius at
Madeline Burke. Will see you next time.
What's up everyone. Welcome to Week nine Giants Hangout, brought
to you by Crestrawn. My name is Madeline Burke, joined
as always by Russ Salzberg, Matt Sytek, and the Super
Bowl champ Jonathan Cassius. Guys, Before we get into Week
nine Giants Niners, we got to recap a little bit
of Week eight. It was a heartbreaker, but one of
the biggest heartbreaks was, of course, losing Giants rookie running
back Cam Scataboo to an ankle injury. A heartbreaker of
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an injury, Russ, how much of an impact is losing
scat not just to that game, but to this team
right now?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well, we were just talking about it off the air
amongst us.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It was a devastating loss.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And what really struck me, and I'm not saying teammates
don't care about rookies, but when this rookie went down,
you would think a ten year veteran who is the
heart and soul of the team for a decade went down.
That's how much he could arguably be the spiritual leader
of the Giants. And he went down, and the air,
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you know, using the oak cliche, came right out of it.
A balloon win that of the Sales. It was terrible,
devastating loss. But as coach Dabos said after the game,
next man up and you gotta move on.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You gotta regroup.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, you got to move on. And you know, for
Jackson Dart two, that was really tough for him. I mean,
that's one of his besties. We saw Dark go over
and give him a little headbutt on the cart getting
carved off the field. But you know, when you look
at what the offense is able to do, Matt from
that perspective, losing Malik Neighbors a few weeks ago, losing Scataboo, Now,
how do you evaluate this Giants offense now?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean, look, things are going to get even
tougher now with the loss of those two. I mean,
it's the best wide receiver on the team, one of
the best wide receivers in the league, and the rookie
running back who had been the best rookie running back
in the NFL, and a talented group of running backs.
So it's going to be tough. It's gonna, you know,
require Jackson to to spread the ball out even more
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than he was already doing. You know, we've seen a
lot of the two tight end sets increased in that
the last couple of weeks could see even more of that.
Luckily for the Giants in this situation, the next man
up is a guy, a second year running back who's
coming off a thousand yard season himself, in Tyrone Tracy,
who's no slouch. You know, he was the starter at
the beginning of the season prior to getting injured himself,
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which paved the way for Skataboo to take over as
the lead back. So it's a devastating injury. I mean, Jackson,
you could see it on the field immediately after his
reaction to Skataboo's injury there. As you said, they're best friends.
They have lockers next to each other. But Tyrone Tracy
is gonna step up now and again thousand yards last year. Like,
this guy is a successful running back in the NFL.
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So hopefully to drop of play. You know, he's not
gonna run guys over like Skataboo, but he's a little
more elusive, so hopefully, you know, we don't really see
much of a drop play in terms of the you know,
the running the backfield.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Luckily the Giants you have depth at running back
now we got to talk about the defensive side of
the ball, be cacies. I feel like in recent weeks
we've seen improved tackling, but you know they're still struggling,
especially that run defense, on that gap integrity and what
have you seen from the Giants defense, especially after giving
up almost three hundred yards on the ground against the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
You know, you see the mistackles and people think like
all mistackles get you beat.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That's not really true.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Misalignments, mental errors, that's what really gets you beat.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
That first play.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Assume me the second play of the game, which was
the first run play, Say Kwon Barkley was sixty five,
and I'm trying to see, like, okay, who's in the
They were misaligned because if that safety Nuban, it looked
like he was a half safety. He's playing so far
back deep. Somebody had to be in that B gap.
There was no one in that BE gap. So when
you see and people are gonna be like, oh, it's
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Nuban's fault. I don't expect my half safety to make
a tackle on a run play. He took a bad angle, yes,
but it was somebody supposed to be in that gap.
That's what I'm seeing on film, guys, I'm seeing a
lot of misalignments, a lot of mental errors, a lot
of guys in the front seven not being where they're
supposed to be. Sometimes it's defensive backs. That play was,
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I think is on a linebacker, and that's what you're
seeing on film. It's not about miss tackling all the time.
You got to put yourself in the right position to
actually make the play before you can even get to
the miss tackles. And that's what I'm seeing from the Giants,
And as the game went on, it just kind of
got away from them.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
It wasn't even about the misalignments and the miss tackles.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
It was about effort.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
And that's the thing that's very concerning to me, is, look,
when you're in a fight right. This game it was
even when you come with turnovers, right, And we thought
that going into this game, the team that made the
most mistakes, the team that turned the ball over more
with the team that's gonna lose a game. It was even.
It was zero zero, no turnovers, no takeaways, but the
Giants basically still got blown out. That's because it was
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a lot of mistakes. It was a lot of mental
errors and of course the scatterable thing was was huge.
And it's not about to play with him. It's about
what of Russ said earlier. It's about the intangibles. This
the spirit, the soul, like the effort that he brings
that he gets everybody fired up, and that is I'm sorry, guys,
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it's irreplaceable.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, yeah, that spark is just intangible. That is why,
as russoluted to too, like he felt like a ten
year veteran the way that not just Giants players but
Philly the Philadelphia crowd gave him a standing ovation as
he was card off the field. That's not just what
an impact he's given to this Giants team, but also
to the NFL. And he's so fun to watch and
we're all wishing him a very speedy recovery and you know,
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looking forward to him making it comeback. But we turned
in the page to the forty nine and Strands are
back at Met Life on Sunday, hosting San Francisco Russ.
The big question mark though, is who's going to be
starting at quarterback, Mac Jones brock Purty. Mac Jones has
done well for them in recent weeks. Rock Purty's been
making his way back to practice though, But how do
you prepare to defend against the quarterback with a question
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mark there?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Matt Madeline, I don't
care who's the quarterback. My biggest concern is what the
defense is going to do getting ready for this game.
You know, you guys all discussed and JC, you know,
said it best. I saw alignment and things I didn't
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like that. Really, that's my biggest concern. I'm not concerned
so much about who the quarterback's going to be. I'm
concerned what the defense is going to how they're going
to improve. I gotta tell you you maybe I'm going
a little backwards here, but I just want to bring
out a point and again j C brought it up best,
that alignment on that second play of the game, that hole.
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I'm not taking anything away from Saquon's star ability. Okay,
we know how good he is, but you know what
that wasn't his ability that ran for sixty five yards.
That was the inadequacy of how the Giants were on
that play. The four of us could have held hands
and walked through that hole off the line, And to me,
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that's my biggest concern going into this game. How are
they going to regroup and get ready for the forty
nine ers. If I see a good defense, I think
we're going to take care of business. But I got
to see a major improvement what I've seen, let's say,
for the last five quarters.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right and to that point too. They've got some big
playmakers and Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle who's now back from
injury with the vengeance because he is how do you
zero in on those two?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, this is the thing about McCaffrey, he's only had
one game where he's had over seventy yards rushing. They
give him the ball in the receiving game, they throw
him the ball a lot. He gets twenty five touches
the game, guys, and he's not averaging. His average is
not crazy. He's a little less than four yards. But
that's the thing. They don't care. They're going to give
him the ball anyway. Same thing with Sakuan last week.
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Sakwan going into the game and he had probably his
worst season ever in the NFL. But they don't care
because they understand the talent. They will keep giving them
the ball. And what they're seeing on tape that the
Giants are putting out there. They're going to give the
ball to McCaffrey least twenty five times. They expect them
to get the ball thirty times and given maybe twenty
five rushes, especially if it goes well in that regard.
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And the Giants have to show something on film. They
have to show because it's still long season.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
We're eight games and we got what nine games left.
It's still we're not even at the halfway part yet.
The Giants have to show a better outfit on defense. Yes,
they can rush the passer. We've seen that Brian Burns
is playing tremendous. But if you can't stop the run,
those sack numbers are gonna start dwindling because teams are
just not even gonna pass the football. They're gonna run.
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And as far as the quarterbacks are concerned, you got
one quarterback. It's the same quarterback. They don't have a
different they have the same skill set, you know. So
I expect to see the same type of offense featuring
that running back McCaffrey and now George Kittle. The Giants
have struggled against tight ends historically. This year, my year,
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years pass they have struggled, So expect George Kittle Christian
McCaffrey to be the number one two punch against the Giants.
And honestly, they don't even have to go to nobody
else if the Giants can't stop those guys.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, and it's gonna be tough for the tough opponent
for the Giants defense. Let's talk about the Giants offense, Matt.
You brought this up earlier, how much they've been going
to some two tight end sets, playing a little bit
more twelve personnel on offense, especially after losing the leak Neighbors.
Now without Neighbors, without Scatt going into this game, I
would imagine the tight end would be a point of emphasis.
But sidetek, what does a successful Giants offense look like
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in Week nine?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, just on the subject of tight ends, you know,
we're filming this on Tuesday. Daniel Bellinger suffered a neck
injury this past Sunday and we have no idea yet
what his status is. I mean, hopefully he's good to go,
but there's a chance obviously that he won't be able
to which would obviously throw a wrench in you know,
all this talk about the two tight end sets but well.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You know Fidoni who has been making special teams plays,
who played his way under the roster.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And Chris Manhertz, who's you know, been very you know,
both of them have been prime used on special teams.
Chris Manners is a phenomenal blocker, you know, protection, run blocking,
pass protection great, but neither one of them, at least yet,
have shown the receiving skills that Daniel Bellinger has shown us,
especially these last couple of weeks where he's really kind
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of stepped up with Theo Johnson. You know, with Skataboo
now gone, maybe this offense becomes slightly more pass heavy
than it has been the last couple of weeks. I mean,
Tyrone Tracy, I don't think is you know, not that
they don't feel comfortable giving him twenty twenty five touches.
But he's not the battering ram type of running back
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that Cam Skadboo is, where he can just wear a
defense down. Tracy's skill Set's a little different, So I
don't know if they're gonna, you know, try to ram
him down the throat of the forty nine ers defense
like we've seen them do with Skataboo in the last
month or so. You know, maybe Jackson starts rushing the
ball a little bit more. Again, you know, the last
couple of weeks they've kind of veered.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Away from him.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I'd be a little wary of doing that against this
solid defense because you know they We've seen them supply
some very big hits on opposing players, and I don't
want Jackson in line to take a bunch of big shots.
You know, maybe it's the quick, quick pass game, get
the ball out of his hands quickly. I mean, again,
this Robert solid defense is pretty impressive. You know, they
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kind of picked up right where they left off from
when he left a couple of years ago to go
coach the Jets. So especially in the red zone, this
is a tough defense, the top ten red zone defense.
Giants are gonna offense are gonna have their hands full.
One encouraging note, though, I just want to drop this
little nugget in there. Jackson Dart is the only quarterback
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in the Super Bowl era through where his first five
career starts he has eight or more passing touchdowns, four
or more rushing touchdowns, and less than five turnovers. The
only quarterback in the Super Bowl or do that It's
been an impressive start for Jackson in his rookie year.
The Giants are gonna need a lead on him a
lot more this second half of the season, in with
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some of those playmakers no longer out there.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Can I just add to that with Jackson. One thing
that Jackson that he does very well. He scrambles, he runs,
he gets out of trouble and tries to make plays,
and he tries to make plays for his teammates. And
I'm gonna give you two examples, and listen, I love
these two guys.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
JC.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know how much we've been talking about tight ends.
But THEO Johnson was a ball at their twenty eight
yard line. I mean, Jackson put it right there for
THEO dropped the ball. And an earlier on a third
and sixteen, he threw a bomb that laid it right up,
right up for Darius Slayton, right up. This is the NFL,
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it's not college guys. You gotta make plays. You have
to win the battle for the balls. I'm not saying
they gotta be Molik neighbors. Okay, I'm not saying that,
but they have to. Those were two balls that needed
to be caught. We could talk about officiating and anything.
All we want you need to make plays, and they
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didn't make plays last week.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Hey, Russ, there was a time I think there was
the player you're talking No, it wasn't the player you're
talking about, But there was a play where Jackson Dark
scrambled to the right, then he scrambled back to the left. Yeah,
that play before he threw it was nine seconds. Do
you know how far we got down the field? We
got about six yards. So his ability to create and
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throw the ball, yes, is second to none. The receivers,
the tight ends, they have to do a better job
at number one catching the football more consistently. Number two
go downfield because you know, when I look at Dark,
his eyes are not looking shallow. His ours are looking
down the field. That is a big play. If your
quarterback can extend to play three four, five, six, eight
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nine seconds, that's supposed to be a big play. As
a defense, I'm getting nervous at the play keeps going
on and on and oning. I'm thinking, like, if that
ball goes up, it's going up. You know, That's what
I've always seen. They just have to do a better
job and give him, I think the safety net when
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he extends the plays because extending plays don't happen all
the time, right, that is, you know, off schedule stuff,
big plays happen there, not six yard games. So the
Giants have to take advantage whenever he does do off
schedule things well.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And credit to him though for being able to do that,
because watching it in real time, you're like, oh, okay,
that's where it's over. No, okay, oh he got out again.
It's like watching some like movie where you're like, how
does he keep escaping the bad guy? You know, and
then he keeps finding a way to extend the play,
and to your point, when he has that ability, you
want to see a bigger splash, but at least you know,
live to see another down. All right, I think it's
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time we got to turn the page to have a
little bit fun here, Russ, What do you know? What
do you say? Well?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What do I know? What do I say?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
This is what I say.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
As all of you know, we've had a lot of
great matchups over the years between the classics between the
Giants and the Niners. My favorite happens to be the
nineteen ninety NFC Championship game that took place out in
San Francisco. Of course, it was won by the Giants
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fifteen thirteen courtesy of not one, not two, not three,
not four, but five Matt Barfield goals. All right, the
final one being as time ran out at forty two yarder.
Giants win a game fifteen thirteen.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Now by no means was it easy, all right?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
In that game, late in the game, the Niners were
leading thirteen to twelve with the ball they were driving.
The Giants forced the fumble and they recovered subsequently going
on to win that game. All right, Ladies and gentlemen,
who forced the fumble and who recovered the fumble in
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the fifteen to thirteen NFC Championship game from nineteen ninety
nine and recovered the fumble.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Lt.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Taylor, Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Guess that everybody?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Did he recover or force?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
She recovered it?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
He recovered it, very recovered it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Leonard Marshall force it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, but that that was you remember the crunching hit
on Joe Montana in the back in that game. But no,
on this particular one, it was not Leonard Marshall. Another
member of the defensive.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Line defensive line.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Jordan Martin, does he still playing in the ninety what.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Can we get initials or one initial?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Eh? Eric Howard Bingo. So now we know Old Mattelin
needs his initials and it's a case closed.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like my brain is just not registering.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Can we get in every Coward? Easy?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
No problem, honestly, like we're we're learning, we're growing, we're evolving,
and what do you know what I mean, credits to
his crew were getting lt right off the bat.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I mean that was kind of a given.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually the Lenond Marshall one.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know what, when I first saw the thing, I'm saying,
wait a minute, I wanted to look up because I
was thinking Leton Marshall.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Because that Leton Marshall hit.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I mean, like, look like it paralyzed God forbid Joe Montana.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
It was a crushing shot. Very good people, very good.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I'm going all right, look at us. Go uh. In
other news, producer Pearson's Game of the Week. Last week,
we built an all quarter century Giants offense. This week
we're doing all quarter century Giants defense. So as a
group group project, we're putting together Giants quarter Century Defense
two thousand to two thousand, twenty five. Two inside linebackers,
(18:02):
two outside linebackers, two D linemen, two safeties, two cornerbacks,
and one more player at any defensive position, which I'm
gonna go ahead and early project that this might be
a D lineman because I feel like that's a deep
spot for us. But let's start with inside linebackers. Who's
your two inside linebackers on the All quarter Century defense.
(18:25):
I'll go with Antonio Pierce. I'll throw him out there
at start.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, it has to be Antonio Piers.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I'm gonna go peers number one.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And you know what, I was racking my brain over this.
I couldn't really come, do you know, Antonio Piers, I
think we all agree is a given?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can I mean Bobby Crent, Michael Barrow, maybe Jonathan Casillas.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You're gonna throw out there, you know Chase Blackburn?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Ooh, Chase, big time super nominee.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I would say, let's let's go Chase Blackburn because he
made that big interception in the Super Bowl. Let's let's
go with him. That's a big time play, right there, guys.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That's why I was going with a Jase just Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I couldn't find a second guy. Nail one down.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
After Antonio, but Blackburn made the big play, So I
would say.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Him inside linebackers AP and Chase Blackburn outside linebackers.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I got two. I'm gonna give it. I mean he
was there for a year or two in the decade.
Jesse Armstead would be.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But Jesse arm said, I think of mostly his nineties.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I guess, hold hold on. We said it goes from
two thousand to now. He was there. He was there.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And the other one I will use is he played
defensive end half the time and linebacker half the time.
Matthias Kiwanuka, I like that.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Or Olivia Vernon though Olivia Vernon honorable mention.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna go because the outside linebacker is like
a you know, back then, I would say, back then,
ten years ago, the outside linebacker is basically a defensive end.
Now they're kind of like, I'm not doing six to seven,
but now there they're kind of like back and forth right.
They could be a pass rusher slash linebacker. I gotta
go my guy, JPP. I gotta go Jason Pierre Paul
(20:20):
because I remember, like a lot of times he was
standing up, not just on the ground.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
So I'm gonna go JPP.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I feel like Michael Straighthan was more of a traditional
defensive lineman, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, yeah, because I would have thought JPP would be
in the D lineman category. But if we put JPP
in the outside linebacker, then it just kind.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Of then you gotta put oc in there too too.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I'm going Jpp. I'm going JPP.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Gains if we're configuring it like how defenses are configured today,
where they D lineman is more you know of like
your Dexter Lawrence type guys, and the OLB is like
you know, obviously right now, Brian Burns, kvon Abduel or
ob right.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Then I feel that's how.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I'm configuring it.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I'm configuring it like that, yeah, because I was an
outside linebacker like I was in the middle.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I was an outside guy, but I was in the
four to three.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
It's the defensive scheme, guys we're kind of playing with,
you know, Samanta, Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I feel like, I mean this get tricky though, all right,
So our outside linebackers, who are we doing? Because that's
the thing we could go like guys like straight hand,
oh C, JPP could go either position. But there's some
guys that could really just only be outside linebackers. So
do we want to give them the hat tip at
the position or do we want to go with the.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well, who are you thinking that's gonna be an outside linebacker?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like Armstead, I feel like those I don't know JP, Yeah,
I don't know Jesse.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Jesse's inside.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Were we already got that. Jesse's inside.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
If we're going to go outside on some real steff,
we're going to go outside, we gotta go with a
guy I think right now that's probably one of the
best outside linebackers in the game at Brian Burns, because
we could take it, could take one current player. Can
we do that?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yeah, I would do Brian Burns. He's leading the league
in sacks right now. And look the Giants defensively, they
can't really do nothing against the run, but when it
comes to passing, he's top tier in the league by far.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah. I mean, as a Super Bowl champion defensive player.
We're gonna have to go ahead and take your word
on that one, like cause he has spoken. Brian Burns
gets the spots? Who gets the other spot? Side tech Russ?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I mean, if we're gonna not include the sort of
defensive ends from you know, fifteen twenty years ago. Then
I guess Kewanuka since he really did play something.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's why he said, yeah, all right, let's go kiw
and Burns an outsidelinebacker, d lineman.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Now, well, then those guys we just talked about now.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
To me, to me, it's one of three. It's two
of three.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's and they played together Stray, Justin Cook and O
s Island Stray and Justin Tuck.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We can do three because we get one more player
at any defensive that's the three.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
The three.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, that's the three.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
That's as much as I would like to include Dexter
Lawrence in that category the last couple of years, but
those three have the longer you know, track record to show.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, Stray, hann Oc talk our defensive lineman. Two safeties,
Land and Collins, those two of them, and.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
It was good, good gold. Yeah. Two all pro seeds. Yeah,
I like it a lot, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
All right, two safeties, Collins, two corners.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Tory Webster is one, Cory Webb, Jason, Seahorn Jason. Last
year I was going to.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Say d R C.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Of course, you know me, that's my guy, Sea Horn
ended in two. I was looking it up right now
ended too.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He's in He's in the window.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
He's in the window.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
But do we want somebody whose entire career was in
the window or.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
In the window? D r C is good.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
There's a couple of guys.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Sam Madison was good for a period of time, and
so was Terrell Thomas. And you can also talk about
Aaron Ross, you know, but Arry Webster, Corey Webster wins
it to me, hands down. Terrell Thomas would have had
a really good career if he was not hobbled by injuries.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
He had to sit out one year.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
But I'll let you guys pick the rest. Corey Webster
has to be the first guy.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean, Russ, I feel like I think our instinct,
our initial instinct of Corey Webster and DRC off the bat.
I like it our all quarter century Giants defense. At
inside linebacker, we got Antonio Pierce, Chase Blackburn. Outside linebackers,
we got Brian Burns and tys Qanuka, d Lineman, Strahann
(25:04):
Oc and Tuck Safety's atro role Landing Collins and corners,
DRC and Corey Webster. Let's go, Let's go. It's a
pretty strong, solid defense. Let's see if the Giants this
week can play as well as that defense would. Giants
Niners Sunday at MetLife Stadium. Let's get a little over
under to end the show here, starting with the Giants defense. Uh, sidetack,
(25:29):
I'll start with you on this one. Giants defense over
under two sacks Sunday against the Niners.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I am gonna go with over even though you know
Mac Jones, since he's been starting, he's only been sacked
more than twice in two of the I believe six
games he's played in, so it hasn't happened too often.
But if the Giants are gonna have any chance at
winning this game, it's gonna you know, they're gonna really
need the defense to step up in a big way,
(25:56):
and more so in the run game than the past game.
But still, you know, this vaunted defensive line, we still
have not seen them really get like fully unleashed yet
this season. I think they're gonna firing up going over
all right, cas see.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Us, Yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. That's the
one thing that you can take away from this Giants defense.
They figure out a way, somehow, some way to get
to the quarterback. And of course we talked about Brian Burns. Man,
he just I mean, he fell into a sack last week.
But you know, I think that's the consistency with this uh,
with this team, that their defensive line can figure out
(26:34):
a way to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
All right, Russ, Yeah, I'd have to go over as well.
I mean again, I've said it throughout this hangout. I'm
just concerned about stopping the runs. I'm just concerned stopping
a run. But if they do that, then then whoever's
the quarterback is going to have to drop back and
throw and that's gonna, you know, set them up for
a sack. So I'll go with everybody and go with
(26:57):
the over.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I'll take the over as well, and I'll sprinkle it
a little extra bonus. I'm gonna give Brian Burns two sacks.
We've seen him do it multiple times this season.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
He's on it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Let's go and get it. His career high is twelve
and a half in a season. He's at ten through
eight weeks. Let's stock him all right over under two
and a half total touchdowns for Jackson Dart that's rushing
or passing. Russ, what he.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Said two and a half. Yeah, I'm over. You said
the numbers two and a half man, I'm gonna go
with over. But as long as it's rushing and passing,
yeah yeah, because.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
He is sake, I gotta go over to. I just
see Jackson man. He's such a playmaker guys man.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
He's he finds the guys man, and you know he's
willing to take the ball.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Down and run it itself too.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
So that gives me the extra like incentive to say,
all right, if he only has two passing, he'll probably
have an additional one rushing too, So especially with Scottaboo
not being there.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Right, yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. I originally
was leading towards under because as impressive as he's been,
he's actually only had more than two and a half
total touchdowns once in his five starts, and that was
that Broncos game. However, as JC just mentioned, no Scataboo,
I think when they get close to the goal line,
it could be Jackson keeping it himself just get into
(28:21):
the end zone. So I think I agree with jac
completely two passing one on the ground and get to three.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I could see maybe one passing one on the ground
and then maybe another one. He better call Tyrone, you know, Tracy,
let's get get a little rik abad do on the
speakers of MetLife. I don't know who who do we
gotta call to get that in. We'll see, But Tyrone
Tracy I could see getting in the end zone this
week too, making a comeback. Finally, speaking of Tyrone, Tracy
(28:48):
over under sixty yards rushing for Tyrone because see is
what you got.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I want to go over here. But I do see
Devin Singletary getting in the mix a little bit. You know,
you can't take away from Motor. I've said this to you,
Madden so many times that we spoke about him. I
think he's underrated. I think they can rely on him.
He's been in the league a long time. He's a
career four yard a rush, you know, for his career,
and I just think he might take away a little
(29:16):
bit of carriage that we think Tracy might get. So
I'm gonna go under side tech.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna go under as well. The forty nine
ers have been pretty strong against the run, you know,
they haven't let too many running backs really go off
against them. As jac just mentioned, I think Singletary is
gonna have a good role. If this was total yards
from scrimmage, I would say all over because I think
he agree with that. Matt three plus receptions, they're gonna
lean on him in the short pass game. But purely
(29:44):
rushing yards, I think under sixty for Tracy Rush.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
That's a good number. I'm gonna go over.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I just I like, you know, I didn't know what
I was gonna get from Tracy, but I was I pressed.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I think I'll go with the over.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And since we're talking about Singletary, I just want to
give kudos to Singletary because I took shots at people
before for not making plays catching a ball. One guy
who made a big time play catching the ball was
Singletary huge. I mean, behind the guy ball about to
go to the ground.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You gotta win the battle. So let's make sure they
win the battles this week.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yeah like it, Rush, I like it Rush.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
That was a big time play.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Fingertips, And unfortunately for the Giants, with so many other
let's call them storylines from that game, that catch and
that moment was really kind of fell down the total pole.
But Russ, thank you for bringing that up. Because that
is a little bit more attention the way that he
was able, I mean the low point, incredible play from
the vet. I'm gonna though, I'm gonna go with the
(30:51):
over on sixty yards rushing. I'm gonna give him sixty
one yards. Price is right rules. Let's get Tyrone Tracy
sixty one yards. I think he'll get at least like
one chunk play on the day and then a couple
other you know, little bit here, a little bit there,
stack them, but you got to establish the run, keep
this offense going. Giants Niners Sunday, one pm at MetLife Stadium,
(31:13):
Week nine. Let's roll. That's a wrap for our Week
nine Giants Hangout, brought to you by Creshtrawn for Matt Sidetech,
Russ Salzburg and the Super Bowl champ Jonathan Casius at
Madeline Burke. Will see you next time.
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