October 1, 2025 • 24 mins
The group recaps the Giants vs Chargers game, previews this week’s matchup against the New Orleans Saints, blind ranks some of the best Giants rookie performances of all time, and do some Giants vs Saints trivia.
:00 - Chargers review
3:25 - Saints preview
6:25 - Whaddayaknow, whaddayasay?
12:35 - Blind ranking rookie performances
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone? Welcome to Week five Giants Hangout, brought
to you by Crestrawn. My name is Madeline Burke, joined
as always by Brnnan London, Jonathan Casias and Russ Salzburg.
The Giants are going out to New Orleans for road
game against the Saints. But first we got to talk
about the week four win. Russ Giants got the dub
over the Chargers at home in Jackson Dart's first start.
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What stood out to you about that one?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I'll tell you clearly. What stands out obviously was
Jackson Dart. I mean, the team responded, there was a
lot of energy, there was a.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Lot of emotion.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But the thing that stood out to me the very most, unfortunately,
when Malik Neighbors went down, he was being carted off.
This stood out more than anything, and nobody spoke about it.
He was carted off. All the players were on the field,
and you know what, you lose your best player, your
best defensive player that could take the wind out of
your sales. It's a gut punched the air out of
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the balloon. All the cliches you want, and you know what,
that team did not miss a beat. They feel bad
for what happened to their guy, the teammate, but they
went right back to business, took care of business, and
that was the attitude after the game to me. That
told me that the culture of this team is really
in the right spot and they're headed in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, and that's such a good point, Russ, because where
Malik went down was on the opposite side of the
field of the Giants bench. So, as you mentioned, not
just the players on the field, but the players on
the bench walked across the field to be over there
to surround Malik as he was getting onto the cart.
But Brandon, as a wide receiver, losing Malik neighbors is
a big blow for this offense. How did you see
them kind of adjust in the rest of that game.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, you know, it was a game where you wouldn't
you wasn't going to expect, where you had to manage
your expectations when it came to your numbers or how
much you were.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Going to be involved.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's just one of those things where it was like,
all right, Malik goes down, next man up. You got
to make the play that comes your way. And you
kind of slowly saw wan Dell and Darius Slayton do
that when you're one of these Giants receivers and you
realize you have a rookie quarterback that there's going to
be stages in his developed development. You don't play for
fantasy points. You played for real points. And that's exactly
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what these guys did. They stepped up and made the
play that.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Came their way.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Absolutely, but the Giants don't get this win because he's
without the performance of this Giants defense. We saw some
excellent effort from that pass rush too.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Absolutely all game. Look, I don't know why the Chargers
decided to throw so much, especially when they were getting
so much early pressure from everyone. Burns was involved, Thibodau
was involved. I mean, I do Carter anywhere they put him,
he was beating tackles, guard, centers, no matter who it was.
I loved Shane Bowen's way that he stunted the defensive
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line early in the game. It gave a lot of
problems for the Chargers up front, and they just stayed
after him the whole game. Like I said, I don't
know why they willingly passed the ball when they were
running the ball pretty efficiently against the Giants defense. But
they was able to pin their ears back and they
was able to get pressure on a really good quarterback
and kind of made him look average. And that's what
you expect out of this type of defensive front that
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that is out there. They put abdu Carter out there.
I don't know the number is the stap count, but man,
any play he was out there, he was in that
backfield man getting pressure on Herbert.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Right, especially when the Chargers offensive line is missing three starters,
including starting left tackle Joe Alt who left the game
in the first quarter. But stunton is a habit when
you've got that kind of a matchup right there. But
Giants coming off a win, turning the page to New Orleans,
a team that is zero to four to start the season.
But RUSS despite their record, it's still a matchup in
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a National Football League game? What's the key to this one?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
As far as I'm concerned, This business of a team
being oh and four was the same thing when the
Giants were zero and three. Every game is a tough
game in the National Football League. You have if you
asked me what the key is, the key is to
do what just what you would do in last week.
Stay focused, make sure your quarterback has protection and your
defense has to be ferocious, as they were this past week.
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If they do that, they should take care of this team.
But again, don't give me this zero to four business.
Treat them as if they're four or zero and you're
on the road. And when you're on the road anyway,
especially in that building, it's not the easiest road to be.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
At, right and especially Russ You mentioned the defense, talking
about the defense in the run game the Saints can
offer with Alvin Kamarica sees how does this defense approach
that matchup?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I truly think that, Like when you watch the film.
I just finished watching the all twenty two of the game.
It's very alarming this Giants defense and how poorous they
are against the run. And if you're watching the film
as a New Orleans Saint, you're going to give the
ball to your best player in Alvin Kamara. You're going
to see what he can do against his defense. Because yes,
they can get can pin your you know, their ears
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back and get after the quarterback. But against the run, man,
they're really poorous. A lot of times they give up tackles,
they give up yards, a lot of defensive backs trying
to make one on one tackles. It's very hard to
do against Amario on Hampton. Again to Alva Kamara, these
backs are talented. The Giants have to show up their
run defense because if I was in New Orleans Saints
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going against this defense, I wouldn't send back and try
to call fifty pass plays and let Chain Bowen just
feast off my offensive line. No, I'm going to run
the football and tell the Giants to make us stop
running the ball and make us pass the ball. The
Giants have to do a better job against the run
this week.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
One thing that we did see that was a positive though,
The Giants defense did get the offense in a good
position with a couple of takeaways inside the red zone.
But Brandon, the offense has got to figure out a
way to capitalize more on those red zone looks. How
do they do that?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yeah, you use the word capitalize.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's about the Sea's culture, complementary football compete. I got
all that, But if you're asking me, it's about locking in,
you know, It's about locking in, scheming up a couple
plays for.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Your best player.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Love the way they use Jackson Dart's legs in the
red zone, and that opening drive. Now, let's see if
there's some sort of counterpiece to that to maybe there's
another shuttle pass, THEO, some sort of backside screen.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Who knows what it's going to be.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But you're gonna have to be creative, not cute in
the red zone to punch it in, because you're going
to knee six this week, not three.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Creative, not cute. All the seas right there to capsize
on the culture cultured athlete Brandon London with the seas Listen,
this is gonna be a fun game. We've got the
matchup in the books, and we've got a lot of
analysis on what's on paper for this game. But Russ,
I know you've got a little something interesting for us
in terms of trivia.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh you're talking about what do you know?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, all right, we'll do that right now. And okay,
and Jonathan, you should jac you should be aware of
this because you were there back on November first, two
thousand and fifteen, in New Orleans. The Saints defeated the
Giants by the score of fifty two to forty nine.
In that game, Eli threw six touchdowns. Drew Reese won
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better through seven four different Giants. Four different Giants scored
touchdowns in that game. Two of the players had multiple touchdowns.
Can you name three of those four players? Three of
those four players?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Twenty fifteen, twenty fifth.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I got obij I got Obijhen.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You are not going to remember, and it's right here
on my hand.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Rashad Jennens. Who did you say, Rashad Jennens?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, nope, uh, I will say this. You got Odell.
The other one was There's one other receiver, one was
a running back and one was a.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Defense severe Shaneverine very good.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Dwayne Harris, Dwayne Harris.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Dwayne Harris, Bingo.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Defensive back, defensive back against Rogers, Camardi. Do you see no, No,
jors Jenkins.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Jack Rabbit, No, No, what that's is that?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was a sixty three yard touchdown interception return.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Tom Beeson, No.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Damn, this is bad. I should definitely know this.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Fifteen the game Brandon and I started. Casus was on
the field.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You were there, loud, you were there.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Give me something, will YEA. His initials are TM, Casius, TM.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh my god, this is bad.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
T m mm hmmm five four three Tim Tom Tim Tremaine.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm thinking safe tonight he played corner that. Oh my gosh,
that's so bad. Yes, it is bad, that's really bad.
I was on the field. I was literally on the field,
like the whole game.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, you were there. This was your teammate. Twenty fifteen.
That was the year right before Brandon London and I
started with the Giants broadcast team.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
MS Burke. This is the reason why I don't remember
it because we gave up fifty two points, so I
deleted it from my memory bank. That game doesn't exist
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, like defensively, yeah, I mean clearly it doesn't exist
because y'all clearly didn't play if you gave up fifty
two one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So bad.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Saints Giants is like the Casias Bowl, though, because these
are two teams you played with. You won Super Bowl
with New Orleans. What are your memories about being a
part of that organization?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Jac Man, Listen, this is five years after Katrina, right
when we won the Super Bowl, and you could feel
that you're not only just playing for yourself and of
course your family and your coach and the guy next
to you, but you're not only just playing for New
Orleans as well. You're playing for a region and they
made you feel that. And as the season progressed in
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two thousand and nine and we went on a thirteen
to o run and ended up you know, in the
Super Bowl, you can just feel not just the city,
but the state the region behind us, man and man.
It was such a surreal feeling. And you know, they
celebrated us as like superheroes for like to this day.
Like New Orleans does a great job and I think
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encapsulating like the Saints and what they mean to the
city and what they mean to the region. And they
got really great fans, really passionate fans, different than Jersey,
different than New York. You know, they'll these guys in
New York could tell you, you know, when you're wrong,
and they tell you when you suck. Not New Orleans.
They're gonna pick you up. They're gonna lift you up.
So they have the support even though if they're owing
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for they have the support because they understand what the
franchise means to the city.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and there's so much culture in New Orleans with
the music and the food and Russ and Brandon. I
know you guys have spent significant time out there to
covering the league. What do you think of when you
think of New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I think of the gumbo. Oh go ahead, rous, go ahead, rush.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh well, I think of let me tell you the
first time I was there, going down on the Bourbon Street,
that the jazz and everything. That's the coolest place in
the world. But we don't want it to be cool
on this Sunday. You don't want to be cool on
this side. But it really is just as you say,
the food and the jazz. But I just going down
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from place to place, and it doesn't have to be
a marquee musician. That just everybody's just together. It's like
a big family atmosphere in that music community. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I mean the people who are busking on the sidewalk
are musicians you've ever heard with the here and like
Brandon said, the gumbo.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
But one thing I do remember about the atmosphere at
the super Dome. It was the year of preseason. Year
I was with the Miami Dolphins. It was a preseason
game and it was so.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Loud in there.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I remember Pat White being our quarterback at the
time for the Dolphins. We couldn't hear him in the
huddle and it was a preseason game. So it's gonna
if it's not, you can say, oh and four Saints,
but knowing the atmosphere, you're going to walk into the
hair on the back of your neck going to stand
up for a lot of these guys, it's like it's
it's it's a perfect football environment, not only for the Saints.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Before the Giants going in trying to win two back
to back games.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We saw great debut the Week four from the rookie
Jackson Dart. He's going to have another incredible matchup for
himself on Week five with the Saints. But talking about
rookie performances and rookie debuts, we got to get into
some blind rankings, right, guys, I want to hear your
take on some rookie performances. We've seen some great ones
this year so far between Jackson, dark Ham, Scataboo abdul
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Car to name a few, so all time Giants' rookie debuts,
we're going to blind rank them. I'm going to go
through there's five totals, so pick a spot one through
five where this is going to land on your all
time list of rookie performances. Starting with David Wilson in
twenty twelve, he sprinted ninety seven yards on a kickoff
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return for one touchdown, ran for one hundred yards and
two more scores, and piled up a team record three
hundred and twenty seven all purpose yards in a fifty
two to twenty seven win over the Saints. So twenty still, So.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I was a part of that game too.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
You remember that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'll tell you what. Hey see, there was a lot
of fifty point games against you and your defense.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I'm like embarrassed, guys.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The constant here, No, right, all right, So twenty twelve,
David Wilson, where does that land one through five for
you guys?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That was a great performance. I'm gonna give him number three.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Number three, Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I'm gonna go ahead and give him number four because
there have been some great rookie performances by the Giants,
So I give them four.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, Russ, you know, I'll give him.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'm trying to come up with the other ones that
I just can't remember, So I'm gonna give him four also.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Okay, all right. Next one on the list a mod Bradshaw.
In two thousand and seven in a snow game, Bradshaw
ran for one hundred and fifty one yards in the snow,
including an eighty eight yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter,
helping defeat the Bills thirty eight twenty one and clinch
the Giants a playoff spot. Two thousand and seven, rookie
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running back A Mod Bradshaw. Where does that land in
your blind rankings one through five?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I'm gonna go with two on that one because he
had does our rookie year we came in together that year.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
He caught it because they were going to give them
more carries that game.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And I always remember so nors Moss was supposed to
go on IR that game, so I was supposed to
be bumped up to the fifty three man roster. Bought
a new suit and everything, Russ and Jonathan. Then they
told me, no, he's not going on IR.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I had to go home.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I cried in the car, but I felt great because
when they got back with me and my the rookies, we.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Hit the city that night and I would just keep
it there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Did you wear the suit out?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I did not wear that. I didn't wear that.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I didn't wear that suit to the Super Bowl. I
didn't wear it till we went out there, you go,
j C. He gonna cry in the car.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
He's gonna cry in the car. I know that was rough,
be but I'm gonna put this right where you put
it at. I'm putting that number two for the significance
of the game. First of all, doing it in the
snow is one thing, but then doing it, you know,
basically for that playoff spot, that's a whole other thing.
And of course Bradshaw is a friend of all of
ours and we would just sign up some autographs at
the women's tailgate last game. So that's my guy, and
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I'm putting at number two.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, shout out to Maud Bradshaw for showing up for
the ladies. We respect it. Russ, what about you? Where
are you putting him?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know what, for some reason, I'm drawing a blank
on this is rookies' first games. Just a rookie performance
in his rookie year.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Rookie year, so big performance in the rookie year.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know what. I'm gonna have to say Bradshaw number
one simply because simply because of what we said. It
was in the snow, it was buffalo, and it was
getting into the playoffs. I mean it doesn't get much
better than that. Yeah, you can do whatever you're doing,
but I mean it was getting his team into the playoffs.
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I'm giving a mod Bradshaw number one.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I like it. I like it. I mean, yeah, the
steaks in that woe definitely moved the needle, all right.
The next one on our blind rankings Carl Banks in
nineteen eighty four. Banks recorded two sacks in the giants
nineteen to seven win over the Atlanta Falcons. And this
was his very first start for the Giants. That comes
in famous fifty eight gets rached the quarterback not once,
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but twice. Where are we putting this on our blind rankings?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, I'm gonna say number three. Okay, I'm gonna say, listen,
great performance, but I'm gonna have to I'm gonna say number.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Three for Carl.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
We love all of course, I'm gonna go I'm go ahead,
go ahead, Jase.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I said, I'm gonna go four. I feel like there's
there's there's probably one performance out there that Russ probably
knows that it's probably significantly better than these, And that's
saying a lot from what Bradshaw did, h and Wilson.
But I gotta go forth because I think there's better
performances out there.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I'm with you doing that one.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So I'm gonna have to go five because I've already
used four and I believe too already. I'm gonna I'm
gonna have to go five on this one. I love
the fact that it was his his first game as
a rookie, and that's like a coming out party right there,
and you're kind of introducing your so with the linebackers
and the defense that they already had. So that's a
rookie stepping up, showing up that he belongs in that
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in that defensive unit.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
But I'll go five with that.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
One, especially considering who was alongside him on that defense
as well. You got Harry Carson, you got like talented
players out there, Lawrence Taylor, and so you're coming in
getting two sacks eaten amongst those guys. Is an incredible
performance from the rookie. Carl Banks. All right, next one
on our blind rankings, we're going to reach back like
one three. Odell Beckham Junior. In twenty fifteen, Week twelve
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against the Dallas Cowboys. Beckham had two receiving touchdowns, ten
receptions one hundred and forty six receiving yards, but it
wasn't enough. The Giants did lose the game twenty eight
thirty one or thirty one twenty eight, I should say
it's a final score against the Cowboys. But Odell Beckham
Junior against Dallas, where does that fall on your blind rankings?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I'm gonna go with three.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I think I only have I have three and one left,
so I'll put him at three because they've lost the game.
But when you're thinking about it, what that did for
the Odell Beckham junior brand really put him on the map.
And then after that catch, we started to see grown
men dye their hair blonde. You talking about impact. That
was like Alan Iverson type impact off the field. So
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the next like, we saw years of grown men with
mohawks and blonde hair, and it was just like, Wow,
you're immlating a twenty three year old kid.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
So that catch still one of the greatest.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It's one thing to see a grown man wear another
man's jersey. It's another thing to see a grown man
wear another man's haircut Like that is.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Impressed yet kind of crazy. So if we talking about
rookie year performances, not just one game, I would probably
give it to OBJ because of the impact that he had,
not just with the grown fans, but with the grown men.
He was going getting gets on the football field. He
was a great, great wide receiver when he was young
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and healthy. But the performance, because they lost, we lost.
I got to put at number five. Guys.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I put it at number two because it's a
great performance. But like I said, one was tied up
in Bradshaw, so I gotta make him number two.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
All right, that's fair. And now the last one in
our blind rankings nineteen eighty one Lawrence Taylor. Any game, literally,
any game from Lawrence Taylor. Where's this ball on your
blind rank games?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Let me go first? So because I saved the number
one spot, and I'm like, I know it's gonna be lthy.
I missed the New York City one a couple of
weeks ago, so I was like, let me go ahead
and serve that spot because I know this is the
Eli Manning Laurence says, somebody's going to be on that
list that I don't want to skip out on. So
Lawrence Taylor number one, Like you said, any game, I
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wasn't even alive in eighty one. I was born in
eighty seven. But we know how much he means, and
not just this franchise, but the organ the whole NFL
in general. He is a generational talent. He changed the
way football was played. So that goes my number one,
Lawrence Tailor, Baby.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well you argue not to me, it's not even an argument.
You know, he's regarded by many as the greatest and
greatest defensive player ever to play the game. And that
is saying a whole a whole bunch. And maybe if
I just drew a blank on him, maybe if I
would have thought of him, I would have left him
for the number one, because I'm sure there were a
lot of number ones.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But now he's your five.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think I only have five. That's not bad for
a five. How about that? No, No, no, for five
for us?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
That's that's my number one right there and then.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And it's because of again, like we said LT the
other the other night at the Sunday night football game
where they did the other Chiefs the other Tailor cam
and then they switched to LT. I'm sinding right next
to him because I'm waiting to do my hit with
Barber and just to see the crowd go absolutely crazy.
And him just sitting there smoking Stogee a cigar and
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him getting that love. You don't get that love JC
and Russ unless you really you wore that logo from
start to finish, and you played the way that that
New York wants you to play. So, I mean, whenever
he did rookie year, I'm sure it was great because
he had the Giants rookie sack record until I believe
oziz O Jalari kind of broke that.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
But Lawrence Taylorman anything LT sign me up for.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
They weren't even keeping sacks as an official stat when
Lawrence Taylor was rookie, and I feel probably he was
a part of the reason that they started to because
they're like, this's getting there so much, we got to
record this.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's LT, Like, come on, everybody, Brandon, come on, like,
it's not just it's not a regular guy that played
for the Giants and retired in the Hall of Fame. No,
it's freaking LT. Guys.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
He's not only freaking LT, but he's LT. And you know,
regarded as the greatest defensive player ever and you were
part of the defenses that gave up fifty plus points
on the occasion, so he probably would have spatched.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
You ahead, oh from the top.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
In twenty sixteen, we were the number two overall defense,
all right, and we swept Dallas that year when they
went fourteen and two.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What happened with some respect on.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
My team, we're not even talking about Dallas now, all right, got.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Up two games in this episode alone. It was on
a defense that gave up fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
That is a that is impressive for the two separate teams.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
You're like the Jamal Crawford of defense putting up fifty
for multiple teams. For the other two, I don't know anyway.
All Right, Giants taking on the Saints of Week five
in New Orleans. It's a one pm kickoff Sunday, and
that's a wrap for our Week five Giants Hangout, brought
to you by Cresturant. Thanks for hanging out with us
this week. We'll see you next week. For Brandon London,
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Russ Salsburg, and Jonathan Casillas, I'm Madelene Burke.
What's up everyone? Welcome to Week five Giants Hangout, brought
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as always by Brnnan London, Jonathan Casias and Russ Salzburg.
The Giants are going out to New Orleans for road
game against the Saints. But first we got to talk
about the week four win. Russ Giants got the dub
over the Chargers at home in Jackson Dart's first start.
(00:20):
What stood out to you about that one?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, I'll tell you clearly. What stands out obviously was
Jackson Dart. I mean, the team responded, there was a
lot of energy, there was a.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Lot of emotion.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But the thing that stood out to me the very most, unfortunately,
when Malik Neighbors went down, he was being carted off.
This stood out more than anything, and nobody spoke about it.
He was carted off. All the players were on the field,
and you know what, you lose your best player, your
best defensive player that could take the wind out of
your sales. It's a gut punched the air out of
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the balloon. All the cliches you want, and you know what,
that team did not miss a beat. They feel bad
for what happened to their guy, the teammate, but they
went right back to business, took care of business, and
that was the attitude after the game to me. That
told me that the culture of this team is really
in the right spot and they're headed in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, and that's such a good point, Russ, because where
Malik went down was on the opposite side of the
field of the Giants bench. So, as you mentioned, not
just the players on the field, but the players on
the bench walked across the field to be over there
to surround Malik as he was getting onto the cart.
But Brandon, as a wide receiver, losing Malik neighbors is
a big blow for this offense. How did you see
them kind of adjust in the rest of that game.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, you know, it was a game where you wouldn't
you wasn't going to expect, where you had to manage
your expectations when it came to your numbers or how
much you were.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Going to be involved.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's just one of those things where it was like,
all right, Malik goes down, next man up. You got
to make the play that comes your way. And you
kind of slowly saw wan Dell and Darius Slayton do
that when you're one of these Giants receivers and you
realize you have a rookie quarterback that there's going to
be stages in his developed development. You don't play for
fantasy points. You played for real points. And that's exactly
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what these guys did. They stepped up and made the
play that.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Came their way.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Absolutely, but the Giants don't get this win because he's
without the performance of this Giants defense. We saw some
excellent effort from that pass rush too.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Absolutely all game. Look, I don't know why the Chargers
decided to throw so much, especially when they were getting
so much early pressure from everyone. Burns was involved, Thibodau
was involved. I mean, I do Carter anywhere they put him,
he was beating tackles, guard, centers, no matter who it was.
I loved Shane Bowen's way that he stunted the defensive
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line early in the game. It gave a lot of
problems for the Chargers up front, and they just stayed
after him the whole game. Like I said, I don't
know why they willingly passed the ball when they were
running the ball pretty efficiently against the Giants defense. But
they was able to pin their ears back and they
was able to get pressure on a really good quarterback
and kind of made him look average. And that's what
you expect out of this type of defensive front that
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that is out there. They put abdu Carter out there.
I don't know the number is the stap count, but man,
any play he was out there, he was in that
backfield man getting pressure on Herbert.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Right, especially when the Chargers offensive line is missing three starters,
including starting left tackle Joe Alt who left the game
in the first quarter. But stunton is a habit when
you've got that kind of a matchup right there. But
Giants coming off a win, turning the page to New Orleans,
a team that is zero to four to start the season.
But RUSS despite their record, it's still a matchup in
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a National Football League game? What's the key to this one?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
As far as I'm concerned, This business of a team
being oh and four was the same thing when the
Giants were zero and three. Every game is a tough
game in the National Football League. You have if you
asked me what the key is, the key is to
do what just what you would do in last week.
Stay focused, make sure your quarterback has protection and your
defense has to be ferocious, as they were this past week.
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If they do that, they should take care of this team.
But again, don't give me this zero to four business.
Treat them as if they're four or zero and you're
on the road. And when you're on the road anyway,
especially in that building, it's not the easiest road to be.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
At, right and especially Russ You mentioned the defense, talking
about the defense in the run game the Saints can
offer with Alvin Kamarica sees how does this defense approach
that matchup?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I truly think that, Like when you watch the film.
I just finished watching the all twenty two of the game.
It's very alarming this Giants defense and how poorous they
are against the run. And if you're watching the film
as a New Orleans Saint, you're going to give the
ball to your best player in Alvin Kamara. You're going
to see what he can do against his defense. Because yes,
they can get can pin your you know, their ears
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back and get after the quarterback. But against the run, man,
they're really poorous. A lot of times they give up tackles,
they give up yards, a lot of defensive backs trying
to make one on one tackles. It's very hard to
do against Amario on Hampton. Again to Alva Kamara, these
backs are talented. The Giants have to show up their
run defense because if I was in New Orleans Saints
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going against this defense, I wouldn't send back and try
to call fifty pass plays and let Chain Bowen just
feast off my offensive line. No, I'm going to run
the football and tell the Giants to make us stop
running the ball and make us pass the ball. The
Giants have to do a better job against the run
this week.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
One thing that we did see that was a positive though,
The Giants defense did get the offense in a good
position with a couple of takeaways inside the red zone.
But Brandon, the offense has got to figure out a
way to capitalize more on those red zone looks. How
do they do that?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yeah, you use the word capitalize.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's about the Sea's culture, complementary football compete. I got
all that, But if you're asking me, it's about locking in,
you know, It's about locking in, scheming up a couple
plays for.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Your best player.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Love the way they use Jackson Dart's legs in the
red zone, and that opening drive. Now, let's see if
there's some sort of counterpiece to that to maybe there's
another shuttle pass, THEO, some sort of backside screen.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Who knows what it's going to be.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But you're gonna have to be creative, not cute in
the red zone to punch it in, because you're going
to knee six this week, not three.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Creative, not cute. All the seas right there to capsize
on the culture cultured athlete Brandon London with the seas Listen,
this is gonna be a fun game. We've got the
matchup in the books, and we've got a lot of
analysis on what's on paper for this game. But Russ,
I know you've got a little something interesting for us
in terms of trivia.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh you're talking about what do you know?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, all right, we'll do that right now. And okay,
and Jonathan, you should jac you should be aware of
this because you were there back on November first, two
thousand and fifteen, in New Orleans. The Saints defeated the
Giants by the score of fifty two to forty nine.
In that game, Eli threw six touchdowns. Drew Reese won
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better through seven four different Giants. Four different Giants scored
touchdowns in that game. Two of the players had multiple touchdowns.
Can you name three of those four players? Three of
those four players?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Twenty fifteen, twenty fifth.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I got obij I got Obijhen.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You are not going to remember, and it's right here
on my hand.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Rashad Jennens. Who did you say, Rashad Jennens?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, nope, uh, I will say this. You got Odell.
The other one was There's one other receiver, one was
a running back and one was a.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Defense severe Shaneverine very good.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Dwayne Harris, Dwayne Harris.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Dwayne Harris, Bingo.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Defensive back, defensive back against Rogers, Camardi. Do you see no, No,
jors Jenkins.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Jack Rabbit, No, No, what that's is that?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was a sixty three yard touchdown interception return.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Tom Beeson, No.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Damn, this is bad. I should definitely know this.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Fifteen the game Brandon and I started. Casus was on
the field.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You were there, loud, you were there.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Give me something, will YEA. His initials are TM, Casius, TM.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh my god, this is bad.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
T m mm hmmm five four three Tim Tom Tim Tremaine.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm thinking safe tonight he played corner that. Oh my gosh,
that's so bad. Yes, it is bad, that's really bad.
I was on the field. I was literally on the field,
like the whole game.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, you were there. This was your teammate. Twenty fifteen.
That was the year right before Brandon London and I
started with the Giants broadcast team.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
MS Burke. This is the reason why I don't remember
it because we gave up fifty two points, so I
deleted it from my memory bank. That game doesn't exist
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, like defensively, yeah, I mean clearly it doesn't exist
because y'all clearly didn't play if you gave up fifty
two one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So bad.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Saints Giants is like the Casias Bowl, though, because these
are two teams you played with. You won Super Bowl
with New Orleans. What are your memories about being a
part of that organization?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Jac Man, Listen, this is five years after Katrina, right
when we won the Super Bowl, and you could feel
that you're not only just playing for yourself and of
course your family and your coach and the guy next
to you, but you're not only just playing for New
Orleans as well. You're playing for a region and they
made you feel that. And as the season progressed in
(10:18):
two thousand and nine and we went on a thirteen
to o run and ended up you know, in the
Super Bowl, you can just feel not just the city,
but the state the region behind us, man and man.
It was such a surreal feeling. And you know, they
celebrated us as like superheroes for like to this day.
Like New Orleans does a great job and I think
(10:40):
encapsulating like the Saints and what they mean to the
city and what they mean to the region. And they
got really great fans, really passionate fans, different than Jersey,
different than New York. You know, they'll these guys in
New York could tell you, you know, when you're wrong,
and they tell you when you suck. Not New Orleans.
They're gonna pick you up. They're gonna lift you up.
So they have the support even though if they're owing
(11:02):
for they have the support because they understand what the
franchise means to the city.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and there's so much culture in New Orleans with
the music and the food and Russ and Brandon. I
know you guys have spent significant time out there to
covering the league. What do you think of when you
think of New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I think of the gumbo. Oh go ahead, rous, go ahead, rush.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh well, I think of let me tell you the
first time I was there, going down on the Bourbon Street,
that the jazz and everything. That's the coolest place in
the world. But we don't want it to be cool
on this Sunday. You don't want to be cool on
this side. But it really is just as you say,
the food and the jazz. But I just going down
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from place to place, and it doesn't have to be
a marquee musician. That just everybody's just together. It's like
a big family atmosphere in that music community. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I mean the people who are busking on the sidewalk
are musicians you've ever heard with the here and like
Brandon said, the gumbo.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
But one thing I do remember about the atmosphere at
the super Dome. It was the year of preseason. Year
I was with the Miami Dolphins. It was a preseason
game and it was so.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Loud in there.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I remember Pat White being our quarterback at the
time for the Dolphins. We couldn't hear him in the
huddle and it was a preseason game. So it's gonna
if it's not, you can say, oh and four Saints,
but knowing the atmosphere, you're going to walk into the
hair on the back of your neck going to stand
up for a lot of these guys, it's like it's
it's it's a perfect football environment, not only for the Saints.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Before the Giants going in trying to win two back
to back games.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We saw great debut the Week four from the rookie
Jackson Dart. He's going to have another incredible matchup for
himself on Week five with the Saints. But talking about
rookie performances and rookie debuts, we got to get into
some blind rankings, right, guys, I want to hear your
take on some rookie performances. We've seen some great ones
this year so far between Jackson, dark Ham, Scataboo abdul
(12:59):
Car to name a few, so all time Giants' rookie debuts,
we're going to blind rank them. I'm going to go
through there's five totals, so pick a spot one through
five where this is going to land on your all
time list of rookie performances. Starting with David Wilson in
twenty twelve, he sprinted ninety seven yards on a kickoff
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return for one touchdown, ran for one hundred yards and
two more scores, and piled up a team record three
hundred and twenty seven all purpose yards in a fifty
two to twenty seven win over the Saints. So twenty still, So.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I was a part of that game too.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
You remember that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'll tell you what. Hey see, there was a lot
of fifty point games against you and your defense.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I'm like embarrassed, guys.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The constant here, No, right, all right, So twenty twelve,
David Wilson, where does that land one through five for
you guys?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That was a great performance. I'm gonna give him number three.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Number three, Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I'm gonna go ahead and give him number four because
there have been some great rookie performances by the Giants,
So I give them four.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, Russ, you know, I'll give him.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'm trying to come up with the other ones that
I just can't remember, So I'm gonna give him four also.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Okay, all right. Next one on the list a mod Bradshaw.
In two thousand and seven in a snow game, Bradshaw
ran for one hundred and fifty one yards in the snow,
including an eighty eight yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter,
helping defeat the Bills thirty eight twenty one and clinch
the Giants a playoff spot. Two thousand and seven, rookie
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running back A Mod Bradshaw. Where does that land in
your blind rankings one through five?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
I'm gonna go with two on that one because he
had does our rookie year we came in together that year.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
He caught it because they were going to give them
more carries that game.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And I always remember so nors Moss was supposed to
go on IR that game, so I was supposed to
be bumped up to the fifty three man roster. Bought
a new suit and everything, Russ and Jonathan. Then they
told me, no, he's not going on IR.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I had to go home.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I cried in the car, but I felt great because
when they got back with me and my the rookies, we.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Hit the city that night and I would just keep
it there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Did you wear the suit out?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I did not wear that. I didn't wear that.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I didn't wear that suit to the Super Bowl. I
didn't wear it till we went out there, you go,
j C. He gonna cry in the car.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
He's gonna cry in the car. I know that was rough,
be but I'm gonna put this right where you put
it at. I'm putting that number two for the significance
of the game. First of all, doing it in the
snow is one thing, but then doing it, you know,
basically for that playoff spot, that's a whole other thing.
And of course Bradshaw is a friend of all of
ours and we would just sign up some autographs at
the women's tailgate last game. So that's my guy, and
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I'm putting at number two.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, shout out to Maud Bradshaw for showing up for
the ladies. We respect it. Russ, what about you? Where
are you putting him?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know what, for some reason, I'm drawing a blank
on this is rookies' first games. Just a rookie performance
in his rookie year.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Rookie year, so big performance in the rookie year.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know what. I'm gonna have to say Bradshaw number
one simply because simply because of what we said. It
was in the snow, it was buffalo, and it was
getting into the playoffs. I mean it doesn't get much
better than that. Yeah, you can do whatever you're doing,
but I mean it was getting his team into the playoffs.
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I'm giving a mod Bradshaw number one.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I like it. I like it. I mean, yeah, the
steaks in that woe definitely moved the needle, all right.
The next one on our blind rankings Carl Banks in
nineteen eighty four. Banks recorded two sacks in the giants
nineteen to seven win over the Atlanta Falcons. And this
was his very first start for the Giants. That comes
in famous fifty eight gets rached the quarterback not once,
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but twice. Where are we putting this on our blind rankings?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, I'm gonna say number three. Okay, I'm gonna say, listen,
great performance, but I'm gonna have to I'm gonna say number.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Three for Carl.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
We love all of course, I'm gonna go I'm go ahead,
go ahead, Jase.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I said, I'm gonna go four. I feel like there's
there's there's probably one performance out there that Russ probably
knows that it's probably significantly better than these, And that's
saying a lot from what Bradshaw did, h and Wilson.
But I gotta go forth because I think there's better
performances out there.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I'm with you doing that one.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So I'm gonna have to go five because I've already
used four and I believe too already. I'm gonna I'm
gonna have to go five on this one. I love
the fact that it was his his first game as
a rookie, and that's like a coming out party right there,
and you're kind of introducing your so with the linebackers
and the defense that they already had. So that's a
rookie stepping up, showing up that he belongs in that
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in that defensive unit.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
But I'll go five with that.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
One, especially considering who was alongside him on that defense
as well. You got Harry Carson, you got like talented
players out there, Lawrence Taylor, and so you're coming in
getting two sacks eaten amongst those guys. Is an incredible
performance from the rookie. Carl Banks. All right, next one
on our blind rankings, we're going to reach back like
one three. Odell Beckham Junior. In twenty fifteen, Week twelve
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against the Dallas Cowboys. Beckham had two receiving touchdowns, ten
receptions one hundred and forty six receiving yards, but it
wasn't enough. The Giants did lose the game twenty eight
thirty one or thirty one twenty eight, I should say
it's a final score against the Cowboys. But Odell Beckham
Junior against Dallas, where does that fall on your blind rankings?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I'm gonna go with three.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I think I only have I have three and one left,
so I'll put him at three because they've lost the game.
But when you're thinking about it, what that did for
the Odell Beckham junior brand really put him on the map.
And then after that catch, we started to see grown
men dye their hair blonde. You talking about impact. That
was like Alan Iverson type impact off the field. So
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the next like, we saw years of grown men with
mohawks and blonde hair, and it was just like, Wow,
you're immlating a twenty three year old kid.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
So that catch still one of the greatest.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It's one thing to see a grown man wear another
man's jersey. It's another thing to see a grown man
wear another man's haircut Like that is.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Impressed yet kind of crazy. So if we talking about
rookie year performances, not just one game, I would probably
give it to OBJ because of the impact that he had,
not just with the grown fans, but with the grown men.
He was going getting gets on the football field. He
was a great, great wide receiver when he was young
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and healthy. But the performance, because they lost, we lost.
I got to put at number five. Guys.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I put it at number two because it's a
great performance. But like I said, one was tied up
in Bradshaw, so I gotta make him number two.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
All right, that's fair. And now the last one in
our blind rankings nineteen eighty one Lawrence Taylor. Any game, literally,
any game from Lawrence Taylor. Where's this ball on your
blind rank games?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Let me go first? So because I saved the number
one spot, and I'm like, I know it's gonna be lthy.
I missed the New York City one a couple of
weeks ago, so I was like, let me go ahead
and serve that spot because I know this is the
Eli Manning Laurence says, somebody's going to be on that
list that I don't want to skip out on. So
Lawrence Taylor number one, Like you said, any game, I
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wasn't even alive in eighty one. I was born in
eighty seven. But we know how much he means, and
not just this franchise, but the organ the whole NFL
in general. He is a generational talent. He changed the
way football was played. So that goes my number one,
Lawrence Tailor, Baby.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well you argue not to me, it's not even an argument.
You know, he's regarded by many as the greatest and
greatest defensive player ever to play the game. And that
is saying a whole a whole bunch. And maybe if
I just drew a blank on him, maybe if I
would have thought of him, I would have left him
for the number one, because I'm sure there were a
lot of number ones.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But now he's your five.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think I only have five. That's not bad for
a five. How about that? No, No, no, for five
for us?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
That's that's my number one right there and then.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And it's because of again, like we said LT the
other the other night at the Sunday night football game
where they did the other Chiefs the other Tailor cam
and then they switched to LT. I'm sinding right next
to him because I'm waiting to do my hit with
Barber and just to see the crowd go absolutely crazy.
And him just sitting there smoking Stogee a cigar and
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him getting that love. You don't get that love JC
and Russ unless you really you wore that logo from
start to finish, and you played the way that that
New York wants you to play. So, I mean, whenever
he did rookie year, I'm sure it was great because
he had the Giants rookie sack record until I believe
oziz O Jalari kind of broke that.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
But Lawrence Taylorman anything LT sign me up for.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
They weren't even keeping sacks as an official stat when
Lawrence Taylor was rookie, and I feel probably he was
a part of the reason that they started to because
they're like, this's getting there so much, we got to
record this.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It's LT, Like, come on, everybody, Brandon, come on, like,
it's not just it's not a regular guy that played
for the Giants and retired in the Hall of Fame. No,
it's freaking LT. Guys.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
He's not only freaking LT, but he's LT. And you know,
regarded as the greatest defensive player ever and you were
part of the defenses that gave up fifty plus points
on the occasion, so he probably would have spatched.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
You ahead, oh from the top.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
In twenty sixteen, we were the number two overall defense,
all right, and we swept Dallas that year when they
went fourteen and two.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What happened with some respect on.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
My team, we're not even talking about Dallas now, all right, got.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Up two games in this episode alone. It was on
a defense that gave up fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
That is a that is impressive for the two separate teams.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
You're like the Jamal Crawford of defense putting up fifty
for multiple teams. For the other two, I don't know anyway.
All Right, Giants taking on the Saints of Week five
in New Orleans. It's a one pm kickoff Sunday, and
that's a wrap for our Week five Giants Hangout, brought
to you by Cresturant. Thanks for hanging out with us
this week. We'll see you next week. For Brandon London,
(23:58):
Russ Salsburg, and Jonathan Casillas, I'm Madelene Burke.
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