December 11, 2025 • 28 mins
Phil Simms, Ottis Anderson, Mark Collins, and Carl Banks swap stories from their Super Bowl championship seasons, presented by Tommy’s Tavern
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're here at Tommy's Tavern and tap. We got a
little legends roundtable talking eighty six ninety and who better
to have to talk about it than Super Bowl MVP
Phil Simms, Super Bowl MVP Otis Sanderson, two times Super
Bowl champion Mark Collins, and two times Super.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Bowl champion Carl Banks.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, we got a lot of rings here, and
we got a lot of stories between these guys.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
All start with you.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You guys went ten to zero in nineteen ninety in
route to win in Super Bowl twenty five. You were
dominant fourteen and two in nineteen eighty six, best team
in the National Football League. What was the similarity between
the two teams and the differences in those two teams?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The similarities that toughness was one thing big teams. I
think the Giants all the years we were there, we
were one of the bigger teams in the NFL because
we had this coach really to believed in that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
So those similarities are there.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
But I think the eighty sixteen was more wide open
than the ninety team was. Ninety it became I held
out that year hoping to get a new contract. Didn't work,
But ninety team, I remember Bill par Sales calling me, Sims,
you gotta get the camp this run game and our
offensive line, we're gonna mush people. To me, that was
the big difference the ninety team. It was about we're
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just gonna work you over and beat you down, and
it was two different ways to win. The offense in
nineteen ninety was well, they say ground and pound, but
I would say grind it out.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
That's what it was about.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I can't tell you how many times I'd walk on
the field to get ready to certain games playing the Dolphins,
Great Dan Marino all that, and I'd be walking out
the field in Parsilico Simms, and I knew what he
was gonna say, and I'd turn around and go what
he'd go?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Kill the clock.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So my most important job was to stay in the
huddle long enough so we snapped the ball with one
or two seconds ago, and you guys, it played to you. Yeah,
played in the defense big time. I may we had
low scoring games, but dominant games. Dan Marino, I think
that day we did a great job.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Bob.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He found a way to get three points for the Dolphins,
and it was the fastest game maybe an NFL.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
History in eighty six we knew we were better than everyone,
and if you look the way Joe performed, marsh that
is it was just a great season. So it was
easier to say that we will probably get to the
Super Bowl. Plus, George Martin said to me when I
walked into the locker room, he said, you're the mist
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apiece that we need me behind Joe. Pushing Joe to
be the best he could be made us a better
running team. And then the versatility was me playing fullback
as well as halfback, so you can have Joe and
I both on the field at the same time.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
So that was the strategy. I think we were good
because we made each other better. Yeah, and I thought
that was kind of the hallmark of our eighty sixteen
That's why we believed in each other and how we
became so dominant. Mark.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
What was it like coming into this mix of you're
not going to a bad team, You're going to a
team that's feeling championship.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I just wanted to come in and fit in, and
I played a pretty big role on the eighty sixteen.
One thing about being a rookie, I'm a second round pick,
so expectations are on me.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Are pretty hit high, so.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I gotta range that my game up to match that.
You gotta know what the hell you're doing, because you're
trying to impress the coaches. But more so what I
was doing was trying to compress these guys, because the
coach is going to ask these guys, Hey, what's this Collins?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
How's he looking? How's he looking?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Philis throwing the ball? Me, I'm knocking the ball down,
all that kind of stuff. Hey, that guy can play.
Once you win your ranking file over, the rest is easy.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
You just gotta go out there and play.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
Collins takes it at the two, the fifteen.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He's got rooms.
Speaker 9 (03:45):
Collins to the.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
Thirty, Collins to the forty Collins, Big go all the
way they chasing get pretty high to thirty Collins. Doll
twenty puts.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Down the rookie from Pullerden State mart Yards.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Our eighty sixteen we cared about each other. But one
thing that made us good our strength and aditioning coach Johnny.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Parker was awesome.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We were physically stronger than a lot of teams. Our
eighty sixteen was we were expected to win. Our nineteen
ninety team. We were not expected to be that good.
But damn we were good. Yeah, we were. We were
really really good. We started ten and o that year. Yeah,
and no one mentioned we did even mention it.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
It was a ten and oh and every week it
was day one, but day one. But make sure we
knew that. Yeah. Yeah. He kept saying, stop reading the clippings.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
You ain't good as you think you are.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Yeah, said to us, Yeah, doesn't sound like Bill.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
What I remember Banks that we drafted Rodney, you remember, yeah,
eighty nine. I'm like you, Sam, I just go over
a thousand yards, right, I'm feeling myself. I'm thinking, you know,
I'm about to get paid now, you know, you know,
and I'm trying to whole out.
Speaker 9 (05:01):
Like you do.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
A training camp helped out two days right. Bill Parcells
called Maurice. He said, you have O Jay's number, Marcia. Yeah,
co He said, you tell him he ain't here, my son.
That don't even come.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Right. So Maurice caught me up.
Speaker 9 (05:18):
He said, I know how you want to take this,
but just talked to Bill.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I said, yeah, man, they gonna pay me.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
He said no. Bill told me if you were here
bout it don't come.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Well, you know, Bob, I was there for a way here. Yeah,
and never got But you know that whole season in
eighty nine was a blessing because I think Joe got
hurt and Bill didn't believe in playing rookie. So we
had Maggot and he had Louis Tillman and he went
with me because of my seniority. And uh eighty nine,
the super Bowl was in the state of Florida. I'd said,
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come out of Miami if it wasn't the state of Florida.
I was the feature running back. I win MVP. We
were playing Flipper Anderson, which is the RAM, you know,
and then we lose on the Philip Adison play it.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I go in the locker room. I'm sitting like the.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
See like god, man, I can't believe my prediction never
gonna come true. And Maurice said to me, well, you know,
the super Bowl is in Tampa. I said, Tampa, Florida.
He said yes, I said we are going. I said
we are going And he said why do you figure that?
Said it's my destiny.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
You know, you think about all these teams and all
these facilities that they have, and there's ping pong tables
and pool tables, and there's video game stations and all
that other stuff. Obviously, you guys didn't have any of
that stuff, obviously, But do you think that they're missing
out a little bit on kind of what you guys
in your your hat as far as team camaraderie.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Here's what they miss on a different level. They miss
a single chair in the middle of a damn locker room.
And the first guy you see when you walk through
the door is the head coach. No matter how early
he got there, no matter how.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Early he he was always there.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Sitting in that little orange chair, just waiting for a
guy to come in. And he says, come sit.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
Down, somebody he could talk to it, which was Maurice caughthor.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I yeah, says about the chair. I got this story,
so I come in. I was always early because I
wanted to get ahead of everybody. So I get in
there early. There's Bill sitting in that thing at the time.
He had a couple of coffee smoked cigarettes, I think,
and he sees me. He said, Sims, come here, and
I can already hear it in his voice, Oh here
we go, And I go, Yeah, what's going on, coach?
And I'm trying to like walk away already he goes,
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how many passes you complete in practice yesterday?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I go, I don't know. He goes, I'll tell you
how many? Not many? And then so I'm not saying anything.
He goes.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I tossed him turned all night. My wife said, Bill,
what's the matter. He goes, My f and quarterback can't
complete a pass. That's my problem. So this is how
my days start. That's life with Bill Park. I don't
know what he did to all you guys. That's what
he did to so many players. He put you on
edge well as much as he could.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
He would tell the story about Old Red or Old
Yellow the doll.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
And he was saying that, you know, I guess I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Wait, he's saying you were old yeller.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Yeah yeah. He said, I'm gonna tell you a little story.
I said, come try that.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
He said, Well, this farmer had this dog called Old Yellow. Now,
when he was young, the farmer would get up and
Old Yellow, I run to the door.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
You want to get outside? He want to get outside, okay.
And then the farmer.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Got a pump after Old Yellow got old because he
would come to the door and Old Yellow wouldn't get up.
He would just lay there and just look at him,
and he said, no, worry about I got the pup.
So when the pup get up and run out the door, oh,
Yellow will get up and look. So he said to me,
he said, I just want you to know that you're
old Yellow and Ridney.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's the new pup.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
So either you get up and follow him out there,
or you stay on the porch and.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
We'll see you next year.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I had to watch film with him one day and
Mark Bavarl's running down and running to the corner and
he goes, why don't you throw the mavar here? Sims,
you know, like I go because he's covered, like real,
like I'm just but he goes, Sims, that's what's wrong
with you. You just don't understand. When he's covered, he's open.
That was this big thing. And I just went, Okay,
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you're right, I got you because it was true. That's
where it all started. Just throw it tomorrow, catch it.
Bill Parcells to me, is the greatest game mannerder I've
ever witnessed or been around.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
In the eighty six championship game in the wind the
Giants City.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
How about just that game, he says, Nope, we want
to take the wind behind us, because I want to
get on you said it to me. I want to
get on top of him. And because then they got
to chase this. He was so big, and we make
them chase this. We got them and man, thank god
Washington could not handle the wind.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I mean, come on, the duke. He was one of
a kind.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
But all I can say is, I've never seen anybody
kick a damn ball like him.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
In my life to this day.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And you know, I think he's a Hall of Fame guy.
It's like a bomb going off when.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
He kicked it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Florence Taylor says, can you believe it? We might have
won the game because of our brank punter.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
When you win the championship, you know you're going to
the super Bowl. It's the greatest feeling in sports.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
What did you tell the story in Indy with the
halftime the tip ball?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think we were up I told you nineteen or
twenty to nothing because Indy was the great team that
was upsetting people on Monday nights in the Dome. Yep,
so that's all we heard all week. Cloned do you remember? Yeah,
this team and whatever. So we're killing them and I
throw a passing the right flat Maurice Carthon is wide open,
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and Maurice, as I've said, you know, instead of being.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Right here, I threw it right there because the ball
was tipped and Maurice picked it up in the air. Yeah.
And then I walked down and says, come on, Sims,
you got to hit that, and I go, yeah, the
ball was tipped.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
He goes, don't be making excuses. I'm not making no
dimn excuses of fact. Whatever we blow up, we cursed
each other, we say a lot of things all that.
But after the game, getting on the plane, mostly linemen,
they would come up and go, how.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Did it feel?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It feels great. I wish I could do that.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, And all of a sudden, which I was very
embarrassed about the whole thing, I became a folk hero
for a little bit.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
I was surprised that that's the first time I saw
anybody say anything back to Parcels. I mean, Parcels would
say things and you were mamlo on your voice, bludd
you would anything.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
We did it one time and he kind of pulled back, goes, ooh,
Simps is mad at me, and he says, do you
want to hit me, and I go, man, something is
wrong with you.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Fakes.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
You remember when uh LT and and him got into
it at LT they stopped talking for a couple of days.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so because they were so tight.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
Yeah, father and son, father and son.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
And it was so dramatic the fact that they weren't buddy.
But you know, you come out to practice and it's
you know, somebody's joking on somebody. But Lawrence made a
concerted effort to stay away from Bill, didn't want to
talk to him. And you could just see Bill, you know,
because he's wearing these little tight sweat pants walk around
and his feet go like this, right, like yeah, the
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fan and he walking and he stops and he just
folds his arms and he just looks at Lawrence, and
Lawrence's you know, mumbles something under his breath. And it
was the best breakup ever. It was soap opera level
breakup for what was a couple of days? Anydays?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Some of these guys got to get their head out
of their ass around here.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So Philip obviously super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well not obviously. You know this guy over there.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
As I watched the Super Bowl one day, I went
it was about five years ago, one of my grandchildren said, well,
i'll watch it with you. We watch and he goes,
you know, Karl Banks is really good.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And I goes that you took out of that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And then when I saw the game, I went, damn,
Carl had an unbelievable game, one of the greatest games
the defensive players ever had in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
I think over the long run, Carl Banks is going
to be the best player in this giant defense. Like
he's going to be there for a long time. I mean,
he could do it all. I mean he can cover,
he can run, he can tackle, he can do everything.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, the Super Bowl, the MVP. Everybody makes a
big deal of it.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It's just not right.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Because I know the quarterback has an extreme advantage of
everybody else. But they got to start giving an MVP
to the defensive player. I think that's fair and I
think it would be great for.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
The game, adding a defensive MVP of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
That's what I mean. Yeah, I wont an MVP of
the game. Yeah, besides the offense, make one on each side, right, But.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Other than the Super Bowl where you won the MVP.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Is there one game that when you think back is
just like a Phil Simms favorite game.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Oh yeah, it's Minnesota. They turned my life around. It's
that game and for many reasons why I like it.
We won, it started to run where we just ran
the rest out the whole year. Only we played some
close games and I never felt like they were close
even then. But I think it just gave me confidence
and the fact that we found a way to win there.
What it did it was that opened up our offense
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and we played much better for the rest of the
year in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
One thing I always wanted to know from Ufield was
you notice the MVPs they always awarded a car.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
What kind of car? Did they give you?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
A Super ru The bad thing is when I want
I was fortunate enough to win the MVP of the
Pro Bowl and the games are said, what kind of
car do I get? And they go there's no car.
And then the following year they give away Cadilloc.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Bad things, but it took me a minute to get
in it.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
They're not really big cars. So for you, what about
other than winning?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Choose bulls? Like one game and you're like, man, I
was just like sewing the zone.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
That was a bunch of games, but I'm gonna bring
this one up because I thought it was. It was
a classic of how we worked on defense. So we're
playing Dallas and Carl is known to jam the tight
end before he gets a fill this particular play because
Lawrence always rushing, he's on all right, they took the
tight end from our left side defensive left over to
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the right. And I'm going, oh, because I know what
he's gonna do. He's gonna go. But Dallas didn't know that.
Oh Danny White, Yeah, so I'm going, holy, is bother happened?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
And you can see Carl lower his shoulder.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
White back coming in a ball throw a giant haddock,
white or hammer.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
All I knew is Tony Dorsett was back there. He's
either gonna step into the line and he gonna get me. Well,
I'm gonna go one hundred out.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It was beautiful.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He broke his wrists and it was a fumble.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
Well, Carl Banks is coming seat right in his face.
He hit them square, the ball pops out, Jim Burt
jumps on it. I don't know who you're playing my
neck because no one blocked Carl Banks. You give a
shot like that where that guy comes straight at you,
no one blocks him. You have to add the doctor
check after a play like that.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna just hit you
with some like associations right now when you think about
that framework of those teams.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Best dressed teammate.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Wow, oh no, No, Maurice Carthon.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Maurice Carthon would wear all these new things, and he
talking about going to the club the night before or something.
I said, well, did y'all dance and have a good time?
He goes, Man, I will go sweat this thing up.
Maurice loved his clothes.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I came from Saint Louis dressing pretty good. And I
even hip sims up to the police on Norrie's.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Yeah. Yeah, this was had to toe. And the guy
who had the best ties ever was Phil and he
used to keep it a secret until I'm in the
mall and I see him walking out. Phil was always
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dressed in press and then and then it was the
rest of us.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Funniest teammate, well, the one I probably the funniest teammate
probably Mark was always up there one. But Lawrence was
funny in his own way, you know, because I mean,
one day I went to get a pair of shoes
out of his locker that were mine, and I went
and I found a gold encrusted diamond watch at the
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bottom of it. So I let a couple of days
pass and then finally said, Lawrence, you know, I remember
you used to wear that watch.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I loved it.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He goes, he don't know where that watch was.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So how about a most underrated teammate? I mean, played
with a lot of great players, but maybe someone that
isn't remembered as much, you know, but were part of
the great teams but played an important role for you guys.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
I would say big Dog William Robert Roberts, Big Dog,
big Doll was another jokes to right, yeah, oh yeah,
but William would always come in with something all every day,
either something from Miami music wise.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
For me, it would be Maurice Carfine. Oh yeah, okay.
I thought most valuable teammate across the board was Maurice
because he would get you ready for a game. But
he'll get your special teams guys ready for a game,
and if the special teams guy's not doing it, he'll
go in and do it right. And I just think
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for what he meant to our team as a teammate
was incredible because you take the best guy and it
didn't take much. Because that's probably why him and Bill
were so tight. Always had a guy that needed to
be he's taken care of in past protection or in
run in your run, skied, don't worry about it. MO
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would figure out how to get the guy on the
ground and it would be violent.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
I was.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I would say my guy would probably be Perry Williams.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He rock Perry.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Me and Perry were left right corners for seven years,
probably the longest tenure of any.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Giant corner duo.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah, so I mean, and Perry never never gets the
credit because I played left corner. That's like playing third
base for the Yankees or goalieue for the Rangers. That's
that's the hot corner and that's well you get. And
Perry played the opposite. So h he's a guy who
doesn't get enough credit. And that's a guy that always
rely on.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Man, he was the guy that you took somebody else's
fastest guy and said Perry, Yeah, you know Perry. You
know he was a world class printer where I was too.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He's a good dude from It was all my linemen.
Bartos was great, Brad Benson.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
You know what were they called? You remember what part?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Perfect?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You know what it was?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh wait, come on, Chris, my right guards. Miss Godfrey. Well,
he his name was tunnel because if here's where you're
supposed to line up or whatever, he would it had
to be perfect. If he oh, here's the guy in
front of me, I got to block him. But if
he was moved one inch, he's not quite in front
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of me. Coach, what do I do?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's how I got the name tunnel tunnel vision, tunnel vision.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Alright, so we're gonna do a little thing here called
blind rankings.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
One is the best, five is the fifth best.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
There's no bad when we're going one to five from
nineteen eighty six. All right, Bert hit on Montana Giants Stadium.
Where do you put that?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Well, I'm let's play it. I would say I'll go three.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, call Montana weigh one hundred and seventy five pounds
that game.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Well, quietly in ascended, he goes down down the money
and foots down.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
See see how it goes? Were good with three?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Give me a little leeway, both sides three. All right,
flea flicker versus Denver times.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The cockey comes in motion to the right hand side
pitch mars, but turns around back to SAMs on the
fleet flicker.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Sims is looking way down.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
Fails.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
You gotta receive it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Cut fleet out of the ten, fine, cut down.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
I believe I know the pocket at the one.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Tell them the pocket of the one yard line. Complete ten,
it's over. Yeah, we're kicking the ass anyway, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Fine, Uh George Martin interception against the Ronco.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Whoa wow, that's kind of up there that there's gotta
be two.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I'm gonna say too.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Let's go to the motion toward the middle by fans
Johnson Elway is looking for a talk.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
It goes after the right side.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It is nothing, joy clicking Tody forty five at the
forty five A wait, taker and break the tackle.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Forty thirty five thirty.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Martin parting to the tunny frighten to the ten. He
did run, So.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We have that is number two. Number three is birds
hit on Montana. Number five is the flee flicker against
Denver right start of the third quarter or down seventeen
to nothing. San Francisco, Monday night, football Bavara.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, god damn you know what, that's almost a historic
play that I still see it today all the time
during NFL coverage or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
One, that's work one. Yeah, that's a motivational Yeah. That great.
Oh that was only a roadway.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, come pat the Bavar down to the thirty five
showing us peak to the thirty, down to the twenty five,
down to the twenty. He's got four minutes in his
back hack us down at the seventeen.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, because oh he was dragged.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah right, oh yeah, we saw it on it on
the defensive Sidelde.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
We saw it. Yeah, Dragon running a lot like it was.
That was really impressive.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Great, this is classic and vintage Bavarro. This is what
he does the best. He is just one tough cookie.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
He just carries forty nine ers all the way inside
the twenty, carry them for ten yards to get.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
The first down and set up a possible drift score.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So that means number four is fourth and seventeen. Botam
seventeen there his favorite left them drop back to the
horny jam.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
B completely in.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yes, that's a thirty yard line put down.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
What I catch by Johnson?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I mean, listen, it was a routine throw for Seal.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
It wasn't like.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Again bakes it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So let's go to nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Since all four of you are two times Super Bowl champions,
we're gonna play the same game. Blind rankings, SIMS and
lot square off.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Monday night football, San Francisco. That's good. That long's good.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
That's fine.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
What did you say? I don't know? It was no.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He looked at me on the silent ca't believe. He said,
what the hell you looking at me for? And so
we started. I was like, it's shade your way. I'll
tell you why. Yeah, it was Jim Burt.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Yeah, was over.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Bert was on the other side.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
You got them.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Of course I never said.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Whatever I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, Bert stirred the.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Did Yeah, all right, Gary, reason again, fake punt put
in San Francisco, in the NFC Champ, fake.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Punt, and it's gonna work.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
It's Reasons Raisons striking down to it inside the twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Five first down, and much much more.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
That's the call they needed, that's the play they needed.
They needed something to get.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Him out of this.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Three three three, the fake punts going down his number
threee number three.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, that's right, all.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Right, keeping that game, Eric Howard forcing the fumble of
Roger crack hither.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Behind the line of screamings and the Giants had the
ball al tailor out of the pack with the.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Ball, and you knew that the Giants were going for it.
And that's what Bill Parcells is saying.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yep, we need it. I was saying too.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
Yeah, that gave us.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
That was a game winner on the clock out at
the time.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Could it couldn't watch?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, okay? Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Leonard Marshall sack on Montana.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Oh my game, tainly hit from behind the balls loose
and he really took a shot in that back.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
Leonard Marshall coming from the backside.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Boy, that is a real shot. I thought your brook
is back.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I mean, come on, I'm gonna tell you that. And
a part that really career.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Going to Kansas City because what's the next year young became.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Right, But the effort that Leonard gave on that play
kind of symbolized the type of team we were because
he literally had to get off the ground. Twe that
was under the spirit of what our defense was like though.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right, So that puts at number four, mark ingram
third and thirteen oh all, Yeah, the most incredible efforts.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
He might be a first pride to play.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yes, he's got it.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
What effort?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
What effort?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
This is a lot of fun talking about that era.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So I have one last question for all of you
that parcells little speech he gave to you after the game,
after Super Bowl twenty one.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
The rest of your life, man, nobody can ever tell
you that you couldn't do it.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Because you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
As time has gone on, what does that messaging now
mean to you?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well, it was right, and I think winning the Super
but it's something that can, like you say, you can
never take it away, and I just thank god that did.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I was part of two super Bowl winning teams.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
We can have conversations about it with a dynasty we
could have been, but I don't know what it's like
to lose. Good point.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Absolutely listen. I I played from four teams. I went
to three Super Bowls. I lost one in Green Bay
with the Packers. But hey, listen with these guys, this
is family to me, and winning two super Bowls on
my on my my license plates, it's two time champ?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Does it really?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah? It's the two time champ. I'm damn proud of
what I've done, and these guys here are that I
want a championship with. I love these.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Guys about for you. It's time, you know.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
It's uh, it's kind of what everybody's saying. It's to
be in in two Super Bowls and win both Super
Bowls and having a chance to score and both bowl
you know.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Well, you know, o Jay, I can still year.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Your play gets you running out there and giving I
mean that thing is the first play that almost comes
up besides the game.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, well by far, you know, just having it.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, we want to thank Tommy's tavern and tap.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
What you know we're gonna do next year? Boys, what
we're gonna celebrate the fortieth.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
There we go. Love it, I love it.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Forty ye more, getting more stories to come here
Speaker 6 (28:09):
And we got them.
We're here at Tommy's Tavern and tap. We got a
little legends roundtable talking eighty six ninety and who better
to have to talk about it than Super Bowl MVP
Phil Simms, Super Bowl MVP Otis Sanderson, two times Super
Bowl champion Mark Collins, and two times Super.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Bowl champion Carl Banks.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, we got a lot of rings here, and
we got a lot of stories between these guys.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
All start with you.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You guys went ten to zero in nineteen ninety in
route to win in Super Bowl twenty five. You were
dominant fourteen and two in nineteen eighty six, best team
in the National Football League. What was the similarity between
the two teams and the differences in those two teams?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The similarities that toughness was one thing big teams. I
think the Giants all the years we were there, we
were one of the bigger teams in the NFL because
we had this coach really to believed in that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
So those similarities are there.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
But I think the eighty sixteen was more wide open
than the ninety team was. Ninety it became I held
out that year hoping to get a new contract. Didn't work,
But ninety team, I remember Bill par Sales calling me, Sims,
you gotta get the camp this run game and our
offensive line, we're gonna mush people. To me, that was
the big difference the ninety team. It was about we're
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just gonna work you over and beat you down, and
it was two different ways to win. The offense in
nineteen ninety was well, they say ground and pound, but
I would say grind it out.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
That's what it was about.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I can't tell you how many times I'd walk on
the field to get ready to certain games playing the Dolphins,
Great Dan Marino all that, and I'd be walking out
the field in Parsilico Simms, and I knew what he
was gonna say, and I'd turn around and go what
he'd go?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Kill the clock.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So my most important job was to stay in the
huddle long enough so we snapped the ball with one
or two seconds ago, and you guys, it played to you. Yeah,
played in the defense big time. I may we had
low scoring games, but dominant games. Dan Marino, I think
that day we did a great job.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Bob.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He found a way to get three points for the Dolphins,
and it was the fastest game maybe an NFL.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
History in eighty six we knew we were better than everyone,
and if you look the way Joe performed, marsh that
is it was just a great season. So it was
easier to say that we will probably get to the
Super Bowl. Plus, George Martin said to me when I
walked into the locker room, he said, you're the mist
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apiece that we need me behind Joe. Pushing Joe to
be the best he could be made us a better
running team. And then the versatility was me playing fullback
as well as halfback, so you can have Joe and
I both on the field at the same time.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
So that was the strategy. I think we were good
because we made each other better. Yeah, and I thought
that was kind of the hallmark of our eighty sixteen
That's why we believed in each other and how we
became so dominant. Mark.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
What was it like coming into this mix of you're
not going to a bad team, You're going to a
team that's feeling championship.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I just wanted to come in and fit in, and
I played a pretty big role on the eighty sixteen.
One thing about being a rookie, I'm a second round pick,
so expectations are on me.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Are pretty hit high, so.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I gotta range that my game up to match that.
You gotta know what the hell you're doing, because you're
trying to impress the coaches. But more so what I
was doing was trying to compress these guys, because the
coach is going to ask these guys, Hey, what's this Collins?
Speaker 6 (03:30):
How's he looking? How's he looking?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Philis throwing the ball? Me, I'm knocking the ball down,
all that kind of stuff. Hey, that guy can play.
Once you win your ranking file over, the rest is easy.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
You just gotta go out there and play.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
Collins takes it at the two, the fifteen.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He's got rooms.
Speaker 9 (03:45):
Collins to the.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
Thirty, Collins to the forty Collins, Big go all the
way they chasing get pretty high to thirty Collins. Doll
twenty puts.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Down the rookie from Pullerden State mart Yards.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Our eighty sixteen we cared about each other. But one
thing that made us good our strength and aditioning coach Johnny.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Parker was awesome.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We were physically stronger than a lot of teams. Our
eighty sixteen was we were expected to win. Our nineteen
ninety team. We were not expected to be that good.
But damn we were good. Yeah, we were. We were
really really good. We started ten and o that year. Yeah,
and no one mentioned we did even mention it.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
It was a ten and oh and every week it
was day one, but day one. But make sure we
knew that. Yeah. Yeah. He kept saying, stop reading the clippings.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
You ain't good as you think you are.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Yeah, said to us, Yeah, doesn't sound like Bill.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
What I remember Banks that we drafted Rodney, you remember, yeah,
eighty nine. I'm like you, Sam, I just go over
a thousand yards, right, I'm feeling myself. I'm thinking, you know,
I'm about to get paid now, you know, you know,
and I'm trying to whole out.
Speaker 9 (05:01):
Like you do.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
A training camp helped out two days right. Bill Parcells
called Maurice. He said, you have O Jay's number, Marcia. Yeah,
co He said, you tell him he ain't here, my son.
That don't even come.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Right. So Maurice caught me up.
Speaker 9 (05:18):
He said, I know how you want to take this,
but just talked to Bill.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I said, yeah, man, they gonna pay me.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
He said no. Bill told me if you were here
bout it don't come.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Well, you know, Bob, I was there for a way here. Yeah,
and never got But you know that whole season in
eighty nine was a blessing because I think Joe got
hurt and Bill didn't believe in playing rookie. So we
had Maggot and he had Louis Tillman and he went
with me because of my seniority. And uh eighty nine,
the super Bowl was in the state of Florida. I'd said,
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come out of Miami if it wasn't the state of Florida.
I was the feature running back. I win MVP. We
were playing Flipper Anderson, which is the RAM, you know,
and then we lose on the Philip Adison play it.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I go in the locker room. I'm sitting like the.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
See like god, man, I can't believe my prediction never
gonna come true. And Maurice said to me, well, you know,
the super Bowl is in Tampa. I said, Tampa, Florida.
He said yes, I said we are going. I said
we are going And he said why do you figure that?
Said it's my destiny.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
You know, you think about all these teams and all
these facilities that they have, and there's ping pong tables
and pool tables, and there's video game stations and all
that other stuff. Obviously, you guys didn't have any of
that stuff, obviously, But do you think that they're missing
out a little bit on kind of what you guys
in your your hat as far as team camaraderie.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Here's what they miss on a different level. They miss
a single chair in the middle of a damn locker room.
And the first guy you see when you walk through
the door is the head coach. No matter how early
he got there, no matter how.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Early he he was always there.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Sitting in that little orange chair, just waiting for a
guy to come in. And he says, come sit.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
Down, somebody he could talk to it, which was Maurice caughthor.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I yeah, says about the chair. I got this story,
so I come in. I was always early because I
wanted to get ahead of everybody. So I get in
there early. There's Bill sitting in that thing at the time.
He had a couple of coffee smoked cigarettes, I think,
and he sees me. He said, Sims, come here, and
I can already hear it in his voice, Oh here
we go, And I go, Yeah, what's going on, coach?
And I'm trying to like walk away already he goes,
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how many passes you complete in practice yesterday?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I go, I don't know. He goes, I'll tell you
how many? Not many? And then so I'm not saying anything.
He goes.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I tossed him turned all night. My wife said, Bill,
what's the matter. He goes, My f and quarterback can't
complete a pass. That's my problem. So this is how
my days start. That's life with Bill Park. I don't
know what he did to all you guys. That's what
he did to so many players. He put you on
edge well as much as he could.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
He would tell the story about Old Red or Old
Yellow the doll.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
And he was saying that, you know, I guess I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Wait, he's saying you were old yeller.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Yeah yeah. He said, I'm gonna tell you a little story.
I said, come try that.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
He said, Well, this farmer had this dog called Old Yellow. Now,
when he was young, the farmer would get up and
Old Yellow, I run to the door.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
You want to get outside? He want to get outside, okay.
And then the farmer.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Got a pump after Old Yellow got old because he
would come to the door and Old Yellow wouldn't get up.
He would just lay there and just look at him,
and he said, no, worry about I got the pup.
So when the pup get up and run out the door, oh,
Yellow will get up and look. So he said to me,
he said, I just want you to know that you're
old Yellow and Ridney.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's the new pup.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
So either you get up and follow him out there,
or you stay on the porch and.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
We'll see you next year.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I had to watch film with him one day and
Mark Bavarl's running down and running to the corner and
he goes, why don't you throw the mavar here? Sims,
you know, like I go because he's covered, like real,
like I'm just but he goes, Sims, that's what's wrong
with you. You just don't understand. When he's covered, he's open.
That was this big thing. And I just went, Okay,
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you're right, I got you because it was true. That's
where it all started. Just throw it tomorrow, catch it.
Bill Parcells to me, is the greatest game mannerder I've
ever witnessed or been around.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
In the eighty six championship game in the wind the
Giants City.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
How about just that game, he says, Nope, we want
to take the wind behind us, because I want to
get on you said it to me. I want to
get on top of him. And because then they got
to chase this. He was so big, and we make
them chase this. We got them and man, thank god
Washington could not handle the wind.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I mean, come on, the duke. He was one of
a kind.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
But all I can say is, I've never seen anybody
kick a damn ball like him.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
In my life to this day.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And you know, I think he's a Hall of Fame guy.
It's like a bomb going off when.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
He kicked it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Florence Taylor says, can you believe it? We might have
won the game because of our brank punter.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
When you win the championship, you know you're going to
the super Bowl. It's the greatest feeling in sports.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
What did you tell the story in Indy with the
halftime the tip ball?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think we were up I told you nineteen or
twenty to nothing because Indy was the great team that
was upsetting people on Monday nights in the Dome. Yep,
so that's all we heard all week. Cloned do you remember? Yeah,
this team and whatever. So we're killing them and I
throw a passing the right flat Maurice Carthon is wide open,
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and Maurice, as I've said, you know, instead of being.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Right here, I threw it right there because the ball
was tipped and Maurice picked it up in the air. Yeah.
And then I walked down and says, come on, Sims,
you got to hit that, and I go, yeah, the
ball was tipped.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
He goes, don't be making excuses. I'm not making no
dimn excuses of fact. Whatever we blow up, we cursed
each other, we say a lot of things all that.
But after the game, getting on the plane, mostly linemen,
they would come up and go, how.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Did it feel?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It feels great. I wish I could do that.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, And all of a sudden, which I was very
embarrassed about the whole thing, I became a folk hero
for a little bit.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
I was surprised that that's the first time I saw
anybody say anything back to Parcels. I mean, Parcels would
say things and you were mamlo on your voice, bludd
you would anything.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
We did it one time and he kind of pulled back, goes, ooh,
Simps is mad at me, and he says, do you
want to hit me, and I go, man, something is
wrong with you.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Fakes.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
You remember when uh LT and and him got into
it at LT they stopped talking for a couple of days.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so because they were so tight.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
Yeah, father and son, father and son.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
And it was so dramatic the fact that they weren't buddy.
But you know, you come out to practice and it's
you know, somebody's joking on somebody. But Lawrence made a
concerted effort to stay away from Bill, didn't want to
talk to him. And you could just see Bill, you know,
because he's wearing these little tight sweat pants walk around
and his feet go like this, right, like yeah, the
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fan and he walking and he stops and he just
folds his arms and he just looks at Lawrence, and
Lawrence's you know, mumbles something under his breath. And it
was the best breakup ever. It was soap opera level
breakup for what was a couple of days? Anydays?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Some of these guys got to get their head out
of their ass around here.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So Philip obviously super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well not obviously. You know this guy over there.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
As I watched the Super Bowl one day, I went
it was about five years ago, one of my grandchildren said, well,
i'll watch it with you. We watch and he goes,
you know, Karl Banks is really good.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
And I goes that you took out of that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And then when I saw the game, I went, damn,
Carl had an unbelievable game, one of the greatest games
the defensive players ever had in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
I think over the long run, Carl Banks is going
to be the best player in this giant defense. Like
he's going to be there for a long time. I mean,
he could do it all. I mean he can cover,
he can run, he can tackle, he can do everything.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, the Super Bowl, the MVP. Everybody makes a
big deal of it.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It's just not right.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Because I know the quarterback has an extreme advantage of
everybody else. But they got to start giving an MVP
to the defensive player. I think that's fair and I
think it would be great for.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
The game, adding a defensive MVP of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
That's what I mean. Yeah, I wont an MVP of
the game. Yeah, besides the offense, make one on each side, right, But.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Other than the Super Bowl where you won the MVP.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Is there one game that when you think back is
just like a Phil Simms favorite game.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Oh yeah, it's Minnesota. They turned my life around. It's
that game and for many reasons why I like it.
We won, it started to run where we just ran
the rest out the whole year. Only we played some
close games and I never felt like they were close
even then. But I think it just gave me confidence
and the fact that we found a way to win there.
What it did it was that opened up our offense
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and we played much better for the rest of the
year in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
One thing I always wanted to know from Ufield was
you notice the MVPs they always awarded a car.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
What kind of car? Did they give you?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
A Super ru The bad thing is when I want
I was fortunate enough to win the MVP of the
Pro Bowl and the games are said, what kind of
car do I get? And they go there's no car.
And then the following year they give away Cadilloc.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So I'm not saying.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Bad things, but it took me a minute to get
in it.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
They're not really big cars. So for you, what about
other than winning?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Choose bulls? Like one game and you're like, man, I
was just like sewing the zone.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
That was a bunch of games, but I'm gonna bring
this one up because I thought it was. It was
a classic of how we worked on defense. So we're
playing Dallas and Carl is known to jam the tight
end before he gets a fill this particular play because
Lawrence always rushing, he's on all right, they took the
tight end from our left side defensive left over to
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the right. And I'm going, oh, because I know what
he's gonna do. He's gonna go. But Dallas didn't know that.
Oh Danny White, Yeah, so I'm going, holy, is bother happened?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
And you can see Carl lower his shoulder.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
White back coming in a ball throw a giant haddock,
white or hammer.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
All I knew is Tony Dorsett was back there. He's
either gonna step into the line and he gonna get me. Well,
I'm gonna go one hundred out.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It was beautiful.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
He broke his wrists and it was a fumble.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
Well, Carl Banks is coming seat right in his face.
He hit them square, the ball pops out, Jim Burt
jumps on it. I don't know who you're playing my
neck because no one blocked Carl Banks. You give a
shot like that where that guy comes straight at you,
no one blocks him. You have to add the doctor
check after a play like that.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna just hit you
with some like associations right now when you think about
that framework of those teams.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Best dressed teammate.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Wow, oh no, No, Maurice Carthon.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Maurice Carthon would wear all these new things, and he
talking about going to the club the night before or something.
I said, well, did y'all dance and have a good time?
He goes, Man, I will go sweat this thing up.
Maurice loved his clothes.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I came from Saint Louis dressing pretty good. And I
even hip sims up to the police on Norrie's.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Yeah. Yeah, this was had to toe. And the guy
who had the best ties ever was Phil and he
used to keep it a secret until I'm in the
mall and I see him walking out. Phil was always
(17:19):
dressed in press and then and then it was the
rest of us.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Funniest teammate, well, the one I probably the funniest teammate
probably Mark was always up there one. But Lawrence was
funny in his own way, you know, because I mean,
one day I went to get a pair of shoes
out of his locker that were mine, and I went
and I found a gold encrusted diamond watch at the
(17:44):
bottom of it. So I let a couple of days
pass and then finally said, Lawrence, you know, I remember
you used to wear that watch.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I loved it.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He goes, he don't know where that watch was.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So how about a most underrated teammate? I mean, played
with a lot of great players, but maybe someone that
isn't remembered as much, you know, but were part of
the great teams but played an important role for you guys.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
I would say big Dog William Robert Roberts, Big Dog,
big Doll was another jokes to right, yeah, oh yeah,
but William would always come in with something all every day,
either something from Miami music wise.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
For me, it would be Maurice Carfine. Oh yeah, okay.
I thought most valuable teammate across the board was Maurice
because he would get you ready for a game. But
he'll get your special teams guys ready for a game,
and if the special teams guy's not doing it, he'll
go in and do it right. And I just think
(18:45):
for what he meant to our team as a teammate
was incredible because you take the best guy and it
didn't take much. Because that's probably why him and Bill
were so tight. Always had a guy that needed to
be he's taken care of in past protection or in
run in your run, skied, don't worry about it. MO
(19:07):
would figure out how to get the guy on the
ground and it would be violent.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
I was.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I would say my guy would probably be Perry Williams.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He rock Perry.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Me and Perry were left right corners for seven years,
probably the longest tenure of any.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Giant corner duo.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah, so I mean, and Perry never never gets the
credit because I played left corner. That's like playing third
base for the Yankees or goalieue for the Rangers. That's
that's the hot corner and that's well you get. And
Perry played the opposite. So h he's a guy who
doesn't get enough credit. And that's a guy that always
rely on.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Man, he was the guy that you took somebody else's
fastest guy and said Perry, Yeah, you know Perry. You
know he was a world class printer where I was too.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He's a good dude from It was all my linemen.
Bartos was great, Brad Benson.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
You know what were they called? You remember what part?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Perfect?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You know what it was?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh wait, come on, Chris, my right guards. Miss Godfrey. Well,
he his name was tunnel because if here's where you're
supposed to line up or whatever, he would it had
to be perfect. If he oh, here's the guy in
front of me, I got to block him. But if
he was moved one inch, he's not quite in front
(20:33):
of me. Coach, what do I do?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's how I got the name tunnel tunnel vision, tunnel vision.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Alright, so we're gonna do a little thing here called
blind rankings.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
One is the best, five is the fifth best.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
There's no bad when we're going one to five from
nineteen eighty six. All right, Bert hit on Montana Giants Stadium.
Where do you put that?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Well, I'm let's play it. I would say I'll go three.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, call Montana weigh one hundred and seventy five pounds
that game.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Well, quietly in ascended, he goes down down the money
and foots down.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
See see how it goes? Were good with three?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Give me a little leeway, both sides three. All right,
flea flicker versus Denver times.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The cockey comes in motion to the right hand side
pitch mars, but turns around back to SAMs on the
fleet flicker.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Sims is looking way down.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
Fails.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
You gotta receive it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Cut fleet out of the ten, fine, cut down.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
I believe I know the pocket at the one.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Tell them the pocket of the one yard line. Complete ten,
it's over. Yeah, we're kicking the ass anyway, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Fine, Uh George Martin interception against the Ronco.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Whoa wow, that's kind of up there that there's gotta
be two.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I'm gonna say too.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Let's go to the motion toward the middle by fans
Johnson Elway is looking for a talk.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
It goes after the right side.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It is nothing, joy clicking Tody forty five at the
forty five A wait, taker and break the tackle.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Forty thirty five thirty.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Martin parting to the tunny frighten to the ten. He
did run, So.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We have that is number two. Number three is birds
hit on Montana. Number five is the flee flicker against
Denver right start of the third quarter or down seventeen
to nothing. San Francisco, Monday night, football Bavara.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, god damn you know what, that's almost a historic
play that I still see it today all the time
during NFL coverage or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
One, that's work one. Yeah, that's a motivational Yeah. That great.
Oh that was only a roadway.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, come pat the Bavar down to the thirty five
showing us peak to the thirty, down to the twenty five,
down to the twenty. He's got four minutes in his
back hack us down at the seventeen.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, because oh he was dragged.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah right, oh yeah, we saw it on it on
the defensive Sidelde.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
We saw it. Yeah, Dragon running a lot like it was.
That was really impressive.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Great, this is classic and vintage Bavarro. This is what
he does the best. He is just one tough cookie.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
He just carries forty nine ers all the way inside
the twenty, carry them for ten yards to get.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
The first down and set up a possible drift score.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So that means number four is fourth and seventeen. Botam
seventeen there his favorite left them drop back to the
horny jam.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
B completely in.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yes, that's a thirty yard line put down.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
What I catch by Johnson?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I mean, listen, it was a routine throw for Seal.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
It wasn't like.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Again bakes it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So let's go to nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Since all four of you are two times Super Bowl champions,
we're gonna play the same game. Blind rankings, SIMS and
lot square off.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Monday night football, San Francisco. That's good. That long's good.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
That's fine.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
What did you say? I don't know? It was no.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He looked at me on the silent ca't believe. He said,
what the hell you looking at me for? And so
we started. I was like, it's shade your way. I'll
tell you why. Yeah, it was Jim Burt.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Yeah, was over.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Bert was on the other side.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
You got them.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Of course I never said.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Whatever I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, Bert stirred the.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Did Yeah, all right, Gary, reason again, fake punt put
in San Francisco, in the NFC Champ, fake.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Punt, and it's gonna work.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
It's Reasons Raisons striking down to it inside the twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Five first down, and much much more.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
That's the call they needed, that's the play they needed.
They needed something to get.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Him out of this.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Three three three, the fake punts going down his number
threee number three.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, that's right, all.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Right, keeping that game, Eric Howard forcing the fumble of
Roger crack hither.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Behind the line of screamings and the Giants had the
ball al tailor out of the pack with the.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Ball, and you knew that the Giants were going for it.
And that's what Bill Parcells is saying.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yep, we need it. I was saying too.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
Yeah, that gave us.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
That was a game winner on the clock out at
the time.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Could it couldn't watch?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, okay? Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Leonard Marshall sack on Montana.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Oh my game, tainly hit from behind the balls loose
and he really took a shot in that back.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
Leonard Marshall coming from the backside.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Boy, that is a real shot. I thought your brook
is back.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I mean, come on, I'm gonna tell you that. And
a part that really career.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Going to Kansas City because what's the next year young became.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Right, But the effort that Leonard gave on that play
kind of symbolized the type of team we were because
he literally had to get off the ground. Twe that
was under the spirit of what our defense was like though.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right, So that puts at number four, mark ingram
third and thirteen oh all, Yeah, the most incredible efforts.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
He might be a first pride to play.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yes, he's got it.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
What effort?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
What effort?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
This is a lot of fun talking about that era.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So I have one last question for all of you
that parcells little speech he gave to you after the game,
after Super Bowl twenty one.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
The rest of your life, man, nobody can ever tell
you that you couldn't do it.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Because you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
As time has gone on, what does that messaging now
mean to you?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well, it was right, and I think winning the Super
but it's something that can, like you say, you can
never take it away, and I just thank god that did.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I was part of two super Bowl winning teams.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
We can have conversations about it with a dynasty we
could have been, but I don't know what it's like
to lose. Good point.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Absolutely listen. I I played from four teams. I went
to three Super Bowls. I lost one in Green Bay
with the Packers. But hey, listen with these guys, this
is family to me, and winning two super Bowls on
my on my my license plates, it's two time champ?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Does it really?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah? It's the two time champ. I'm damn proud of
what I've done, and these guys here are that I
want a championship with. I love these.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Guys about for you. It's time, you know.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
It's uh, it's kind of what everybody's saying. It's to
be in in two Super Bowls and win both Super
Bowls and having a chance to score and both bowl
you know.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Well, you know, o Jay, I can still year.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Your play gets you running out there and giving I
mean that thing is the first play that almost comes
up besides the game.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah, well by far, you know, just having it.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, we want to thank Tommy's tavern and tap.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
What you know we're gonna do next year? Boys, what
we're gonna celebrate the fortieth.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
There we go. Love it, I love it.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Forty ye more, getting more stories to come here
Speaker 6 (28:09):
And we got them.
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