October 2, 2025 • 33 mins
Charlie Weis joins the show to talk about Jaxson Dart’s first start, what kind of mindset he plays with, and how he can improve over the course of the season.
:00 - Jaxson Dart
8:40 - Play calling for Dart
14:30 - The pieces around Dart
22:45 - College vs the pros
27:50 - Rookies quarterbacks in general
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
I am John Schmelk.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
He is Charlie Weiss. Charlie, what's going on? Man? How
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning? And I guess things are a little bit
better up there in New Jersey. Uh after last week's win.
So let's get wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, absolutely, Charlie and Troy Weiss's son is the offensive
coordinated at Ole Miss. He coached Jackson Dart down there
calls the plays with Trolly on in the offseason.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
He gave us some invaluable insight about Jackson.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
He spent time in the meeting room with him down there,
has an intimate knowledge of the player and how he plays.
I thought it was appropriate to have him on after
Jackson Dart's first start. So, Troy, I'm gonna start the
basic one. I'm sure you watch the game, you watch
the tape. What do you think of Jackson Dart's first start?
I know you weren't surprised by how well he did.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
No, I wasn't surprided at all. I've been telling people
all along, but this is what they should expect. I mean,
it wasn't perfect. He knows it wasn't perfect. There were
some there were there were things that he liked to
do better. But me, he showed who he is. I mean,
he's a natural leader. He's got the it factor. And
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in addition to his physicality and using his legs and
his accuracy. You saw how the tea he's like the
pipe piper. And even though he's a rookie, you know,
people like playing with him. You know, people you know
he's infectious and I think that, you know, I've watched
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the Giants over the last month, actually in the preseason,
and I saw it a little bit with Skataboo, you know,
where he was a little and you could see why
Jackson and the Scatterboro were boys. You could see why
they hang together because it seems like their personalities are
very similar.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, absolutely, right, charl And you talk about how he's
the pied piper, and I think that has to do
with the first thing you said, right, how he plays
his willingness to be a football player, not a quarterback, right,
his physicality, the way he runs. I think that all
kind of works together, which is why he's so magnetic
and why guys follow him and want to believe in him.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, I mean there's good in bad with that physicality,
as we know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean I was gonna ask about that too.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
They're putting yourself that rest. But I say, out the
entire game, the play I like the most was a
play that didn't count. It was the short yardage play
where he gets stuffed with an unblocked d B gets
linebacker whoever it was stucked, bounces off of him. He said, no, no, no, no, no,
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that's not how and ends up bouncing it to the left.
Ends would have had the first down if it weren't
for the fact that they were the defense was off
sides on the play. Out of all the players in
the game, and you know, you're not supposed to talk
about a quarterbacks run, is the number as your favorite
play in the game, but I think that that was
my favorite play that he made the game. My favorite
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play of the game was obviously Dexter Lawrence is a
fair close to a touchdown, But my favorite Jackson Dark
play of the game was that shortyard drive.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Ironically, Charlie, the next playing that to ask you about
is another play that didn't count because John Michael schmidz
s clinted a hold on the play. And that was
Jackson Dart's long run as a coach. You get into
the meeting afterwards, what do you tell him about that
very violent steff arm that he threw with his throwing
hand at the opposing teams a DB's face mask.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Is that one of the.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Things where you're like Jackson, you got to toe it
down with your throwing hand a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, you can tell them all you want luck on that, okay,
I mean, I mean yeah, Hell, for three years I
listened to Charlie and Lane say get down, get down,
get down, get down, get down. And I'm sure he's
getting the same thing from the head coach, the offensive
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coordinator at a quarterback coach, and probably the players too. Well,
he is you know, we're in college, the players weren't
telling him to get down. Now, I'm sure he's got
teammates that are saying, hey, you're more important to us.
You know that you're healthy than you know than putting
yourself at rest. I'm sure he's going to hear that
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a bunch of times. Slowly, he'll evolved, I mean, and
I'm not saying he's Josh Allen. When Josh Allen started,
you couldn't tell him to get down, right, And he's
evolved years of experience, and you know, vicious hits and
things like that. You know, you pick and choose those times,
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those critical times where you go ahead and risk yourself,
and you try to minimize those hits as much as
you possibly can.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, absolutely, right, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm with you, and I think you don't want to
try to pull them back too much because that's what
that's what makes them special, too, right, is that competitiveness
wanting to always make a play. So I think there's
a balance you have to draw there, right in terms
of you know how much you want to can It's
kind of like Baker Mayfield, right, Like Baker plays like
like a maniac.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But that's also what makes them special.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Right well, I think right now the Giants need that, righted.
They That's one of the reasons why they made it
switch your quarterback because he brings a different element, you know,
your run game. The Giants run game look totally different
with that quarterback in there because now on every single play,
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that defense has to depend the quarterback run on every play.
And it's true on pass rush too. So I promised
you as a Saints or practicing this week, you know,
as their pass rushing on third and long, they're worried about, Okay,
what's gonna happen if we let this quarterback three? And
that's not necessarily outside. As you notice he steps up inside,
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his eyes are downfield and if he sees a hole,
he goes ahead and tention.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Absolutely, Charlie, And I think what impressed me the most
in the game, And again this didn't surprise me either,
because I think this was all over his tap ital
and miss when when when we were all studying for
the draft, his pocket presence and ability to stay calm
even when maybe guys are closing in or the pocket's
collapsing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He had two plays where he stepped up you.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Know, in the middle of the pocket, up the pocket
and found two players in the middle field for the catch.
He the other played a Darius Slayton in the shadow
of his own goalpost, where he rolls to the right
with his off hand. He's waving the Slaton to run
the little comeback on a little off schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
He completes a pass there.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There was no panic when there was some pressure, and
I just thought his poison those situations was excellent.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He does something rare for a young quarterback, you know,
for a rookie twenty two year old, is when he
steps up in the pocket from pressure, his eyes are
still downfield. Now, he obviously not afraid to run it.
But most of those guys on once once it hits
the fan, I mean they're running, they're not even thinking
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about throwing the ball. Where Jackson's still looking to throw
it first before he goes ahead and takes off and run.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, and look that that's going to serve him well,
because you're not going to win games consistently week the week,
Charlie in the National FOOTB League with the quarterback running
a ton. But if you can scramble to throw I
think that can be an extremely valuable weapon. And again
that is something that I think we saw him do
a a ton at Penn State, where if you can
challenge the run, other teams have to keep a spy
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in there or just their their coverages in the back
end to account for the scrambling quarterback, and then you
can throw off of that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's when it becomes a really dangerous weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
One correction, you mean what he did at all? Messed?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He did it against Penn State? He didn't. You said
you said Penn State?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Did I say Penn State? Yeah? Sorry, I don't miss.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I find it comical because that's one game who is
going against that vaunted Penn State defense and he just
tore them up in the ball game. I enjoyed that tremendously.
You have to admit it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,
you gotta go over the middle with it. The score great.
How do we make that happen?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
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Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
As we move ahead now here, Charlie, I thought it
was very important for the Giants in Week one, the
way they got that lead early and that was a
big right at the Jackson with the way the Giants
able to run the ball in that opening drive he
completed two passes for twenty one yards and being able
to play from the lead. With the lead, I think
it allowed Brian dable to keep that favorable game script
run the football not but too much on Jackson moving
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forward here, and I think just having that lead with
a young quarterback at the helm. And I'd love to
get your comment on this can be so helpful for
a play caller to kind of control the game, trust
script and control the game so you can use them
exactly the way you want.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's true. Let me add one more positive. Do you
notice how much pressure Carvert was under all day long?
Would you like to know one little tidbit that no
one's talking about?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Because the Giants played with the lead and they Chargers
had to throw the football to the lead.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So now all of a sudden, pass rushers can be
pass rushers because when you're playing from behind, I mean
those offenses are run the ball a lot more. I
mean Chargers barely ran the ball the whole game. They
hardly ran the ball, so you have those dynamic pass
rushers that can stop worrying about having to play a
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run and a pass on an equal basis. Okay, it
makes it makes good pass rushers even better.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, it absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And how does it help a young quarterback and a
play color coach when you're able to look the Giants
the running backs.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
They averaged a ton of yards per carry, but the
volume was there.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They had thirty the running backs themselves, I'm gonna ta
Jackson out of it, had thirty two rushes for one hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And seven yards.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
How does that help a quarterback, especially a young one
in their first game? And moving forward here, if that
run game can at least give you the volume and
consistent yards on first and second down to keep you
in good downs and distances.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, believe it or not, my philosophy was always it's
the volume of runs. It's not the yard that you gain,
because when if you're trying to play a complimentary game
where you can run and pass. And I was a
big play action guy. So the more time you run
the ball, the more times they have the defender run,
the easier play action pass ends up getting. That's where
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you get your chunks. You don't get your chunk you
don't get your chunks, you know, very often unless you
get defenders misplaced. And how do you get a miss
place you get a misplaced in play action? And why
does play action become effective because of the volume of runs.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
One hundred percent And the other thing I want to
throw out there too, Charlie, which was impressive for a
young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
No turnovers in the game for Jackson.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
A big reason the Giants won is because there were
plus two the defense that the offense up twice inside
the five yard line, but the Giants did not turn
the ball over. And it's not like there was a
drop pick or you know, the one fumbled snap that
Andrew Thomas are covered, which is a huge play. But
Jackson never put the ball in danger over the course
of this game against by the way, a defensive secondary
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and the Chargers who disguise very well and are really
good at taking the football away.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He I'm not comparing the college opponents to the Chargers.
You know, what were his stats? You know, he's a
ten to one touchdown interception guy. I mean, it was
some phenomenal some phenomenal stat And when you look at
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guys who learn to take care of the football, okay.
That is a great redeeming quality the quarterback can have
is taking care of taking care of the football. The
difference is even though he was sacked five times. Sometimes
taking the sack is the right thing to do, believe
it or not. You know, because people say we'll throw
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it away, Well, sometimes you can't throw it away, depending
on where that pressure is coming from. And sometimes a
guy's coming unlocked or unimpeded to you. Sometimes taking the
sack is the right thing to do. I'm not encouraging
taking secks on you, okay, because offensive line coaches get
a big case of ojia when when sacks are being recorded,
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offensive line coaches taking you very defensively when that ends
up happening. But I think that. I mean I watched
the Giants play a complimentary football game. And for all
those years of teams, when I've been on winning teams,
complimentary football has been the key. Even on one side
of the ball was better than the other side, you
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played to that. I played on teams where the defense
was better than the offense. You played to your defense.
I've been on teams where the offense was better than defense.
You played to your offense. In that game, this week
the Readon won. The Giants beat the Chargers that because
their whole team played played it played a good game,
because if one facet wouldn't have played a good game,
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they would have won that game. And right now, I mean,
obviously you lose a guy like Lague Neighbors said, you know,
that's gonna be a big blow. But if the Giants
play complimentary football, they're gonna be in every game. There's
not one game on the schedule, and that includes the
so called world champion Eagles. I mean, the Eles are
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not the Eagles are not unbeatable. If you play a
complimentary football game, okay, but you have to be playing
a complimentary football game. I think that's what the Giants
got this past week.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And we'll talk about Neighbors and now what Jackson has
to do moving forward.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Trolie last one on this game, and that's exactly what Ticky,
Barbara and I said on the pregame show before that
game on Sunday. You're not going to ask your rookie
quarterback to come in here and be a savior for you.
You're not gonna ask any one player, a quarterback to
be a savior for you.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He needs no, not yet. You need help from the
offensive line.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I thought the Giants offensive line probably played their best
game of the year this week. We talked about the
running game, we talked about the defense. You needed to
put the stuff around the quarterback to give him a
good chance to succeed. And really, for the first time
this year, Charlie, and again, you want to connect that
to Dart, we can. I thought most facets of this
Giants team played good, solid football, which allowed them to
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beat a pretty darn good team in the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, and right now, Jackson's more a comp memory player,
you know, that's what he is at this point. But
remember I remember a few years ago, going back, you know,
we had a we had a quarterback change due to
injury back in New England, and this young guy came
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in named Grady and when he first started playing, we
hardly did anything with him. We hand the ball off, okay,
we threw a lot of short passes, play through, a
little bit of play action, and by the end of
the year, he's running a two minute drive to win
the Super Bowl. I mean, so that's how much changes.
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I mean, we're talking you've only played a quarter of
the season. They don't played four games. I mean, you
got a long long way to go in this year,
and I think that you're going to watch him, watch
the Giant offense evolve as Jacksony falls, and I think
that the defense, I think that, I mean, this is
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no disrespect to Russell Wilson, but I think the defense,
you know, kind of got a jump jump start because
they know they're playing with a rookie quarterback and they
had it. They had to step up a little bit
more because the rookie quarterback was in there.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
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Weiss and coach, you talked about expanding the palette. Now
as you move forward with Jackson Dart as a coach,
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when do you know when you can start giving him more?
How do you kind of to start putting more in?
How do you expand that menu for him as you
now move along in the season.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Depends on who you're playing, I mean, because football is
really a lot more simple than fans like to think.
It is. Every week you shit there those coaches by
Sunday night, Okay, by Monday night, for sure, you're sitting
there studying the next opponent. You know, sometimes you do
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it Sunday night where you know, you get home, you
know they'll you know, celebrate your.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Mom with you, with your family a little bit, and
the game's over. Then you already you're already in your
mind onto the next game. But you're sitting there where
coaches are in. Their money is not on game day.
Coaches earn their money.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
From money, you know, from Monday to Saturday night, when
they're creating a game plan and implementing the game plan
and getting it and then teaching the game and getting
it ready to go. And I think that each week
it's his own separate andity. I mean, this week it's
New Orleans. So what are their strengths? What are their weaknesses?
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And I think that as you put more stuff in
which they will, I think it has to be opponent specific.
You know, you have the nuts and bolts of the
era offense in now it's opponents specific. What things that
Jackson does well fits this upon it this week, let's
put them in.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, I was talking to your former broadcast partner, Bob Papa,
and you know you talked about the sacks that that
Jackson took over the course of that game. In three
or four weeks or five weeks, coach, he's probably not
gonna be taking those sacks, right, He's going to either
make a quicker decision, get the ball out things like that,
you know. And we saw a couple of plays in
the game, or maybe held it to a couple guys
open down the field.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
He didn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
As you move along here, how do you help him
see that stuff? Or is that something that is he
rewatches the game on tape with the coaches. The next
couple of days, things will slow down for him and
he'll start maybe seeing the stuff that he doesn't see
in that first game out there.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well, let me just clarify one thing to you, just
so you understand. Sometimes when you see a guy wide open,
that's not where to play was designed to go. Sure,
absolutely a lot of times people, why did you throw
it to so and so Because he wasn't in the
read That's why I didn't throw it to him. Like
if you have if you have a progression read or
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you have a coverage read, and it tells you to
go to a specific spot. Well, that's where you should
be looking, right, I mean, you shouldn't be looking at
that guy who's running wide open just because if that's
not in the read, if it gets to him, fine, Okay,
But I think that the answer to that, I just
wanted to clarify that one.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I even watch the games last night, and then, well,
I don't know why you didn't throw it to so
and so. Were they sitting in the game plan? But
did they know where to play was designed to go?
Did they watch if there was any pressure on the play?
Did they watch if somebody ran the wrong route? I mean,
you don't know those things when you're watching the game.
But that all that being said, I think that the
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more I think that he was more inclined to be
conservative than risque in those situations. Okay, And I think
that ended up playing out. He ended up winning the game.
I think that I think that the more, I mean,
look at this is not a conservative kid, No, that's
his nature. Okay. I think he played very, very, very smart.
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But I think that as he becomes more confident and
has more freedom. You know, I think that some of
those things you talked about will indeed happen.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You mentioned the Lague Neighbors injury. How does that now
impact how you get him ready and instruct him for
these games, Charlie beause, you know, if you're playing a
team that plays heavy man, it's easy to say, well,
you see man defense, you know where you're going to
the ball, you're throwing them Eleak Neighbors. Right, That's not
the easy answer that he's going to have now. So
as a coach, you lose your top wide receiver, you're
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talking to your rookie quarterback. How do you have that discussion?
What do you tell Jackson about his approach now without
that easy answer of Malik Neighbors and maybe some of
those one on one situations.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, two things you're still the last time I checked,
this high guy is one of the fastest guys in
the league. Now. I don't know if he can catch
a cold, okay, but I know he can run by people.
So what you do is you take different players that
you have and give them some of the responsibilities that
Malik had. That's number one. Number two, you can get
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people open versus man coverage. Yep, just you have to
use formations in motion. I mean, who's said a rule
that you can't go ahead and then create situations by
coaching to kick guys open versus man coverage. Now, if
you just detach them and go four open and have
me vertical down the field, shame on you. I mean
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that's a coach's fall, that's not the player's fault. But
you use in some cases, you use players that have
specific skill sets to take off some of the load
and the other ones you could, you know, use formations,
formations and motions to get people open. If you want
to know how to manage two minutes of crunch time football,
I'm your man.
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Speaker 2 (22:48):
The full answer. How about that for a simple answer?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Now, I think that's I think that makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And this goes back to my question then that was
about to ask you watch a ton of college you
watch a ton of pro how much more of you
seen some college concepts and stuff like that leaking into
the pro game. As we get further and further along
is as you get coaches kind of mixing and matching
coming in and out of college and the pros and
basically trying to use these young players as quickly as
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possible and maybe using some of the concepts that they
used in college.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, I find it comical when you get around draft
time and people start, well, he'sing a college offense. I mean,
are you kidding me? Those college coaches are getting paid
a lot of money now too. I mean, in case
you haven't noticed, I mean that become big business. The
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players are getting paid, the coaches are getting paid. I mean,
they're not getting paid as much as they are in
the NFL, but you know there's some serious it's a
big business. And why wouldn't you study the best offenses
both in the pro and in college. I mean, I
know that Charlie looks a lot of that motion and
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stuff that Andy Reid does with the Chiefs. I know,
I know for a fact he does that. And for example,
Ole Miss has a quarterback from from a Division two
quarterback from Parish State. That's lighted it up. Well, not
only did they recruit him and sign him, but they
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took someone a place that they were running at that
school because they like the concepts. It's a trickle up effect,
not a trickle down effect. Why wouldn't you use concepts
that good offenses or good defenses are used to your back?
It just would make no sense.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, Two final questions for you.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
What are the things that you think that Jackson does
really well from a throwing perspective, you know, is downfield stuff?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Do you like crossers?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What are some of the things that you think the
Giants can really lean into that he showed a lot
of success with at Ole miss that as Giant fans
look forward to what might look like as you move
forward down the line. Here Charlie, that you think Jackson
early in his career could really succeed at at the
NFL level.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, he was the best deep ball thrower in college
football last year. Okay, you didn't see very many deep
balls in that game. Okay, you already know ex accurate,
short and intermediate, but people that have not seen the
deep ball yet, and you know, as the year goes on,
you'll see some home run shots, I promise you.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And by the way, Charlie, I only did give Jackson
credit to your point. He's an aggressive kid. He wants
to throw the deep ball, right. But the fact that
he was able to temper himself, knowing that the Chargers play,
you know, two safeties deep most of the game and
they try to eliminate that from the offense, I was
pretty impressed. And look, he tried to throw a cup
early in the game, but then he realized, look, this
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probably is not going to work. And for him to
temper that tendency for him, which I think is a
good one in the face of what the opponent was showing.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I thought showed a pretty big bit of maturity. To
be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, one thing you saw as you watch the game,
if you leave a hole a short intermediate.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
It's going to be on the numbers. He's going to
hit you right in the chest. I mean, he is
dead on accurate when it comes to those things. So
once you now you start to establish a little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Of a running game. That makes the offensive lineman happy
because the offensive linemen just aren't past luck in the
whole game. Now they can be aggressive and get off
the line of scrimmage. That helps the offensive linemen. I mean,
now all of a sudden, your running backs are happier.
Now your tight end's going to get become happier because
in play action pass, the easiest got to get open,
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and play action pass actually is the tight end the
easiest got to get open because the linebackers step up.
He's behind him, I mean, and that's where a lot
of the windows are. That's why teams use playacks and
throw the bowl in the tight end a whole bunch.
I'm really excited to see how this he follows and
look at I obviously know Brian very well. You know
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I don't know as well. I mean, I know Brian
very well, and even though Kap is calling the plays,
I know I know Brian's involved during during the week
on game planning, he'll say, well they think about this,
what do you think about that? And that's what that's
what he should be doing anyway. But at the end
of the day, I think the Giant offense is going
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to look a lot different. And you got to pick
up the slack when somebody, when you lose a player,
you got to pick up the slack and you got
to figure out how you're going to exactly you're going
to do that. I think that it's I think it's
being understated. The return and help of number seventy eight.
I think it's being understated. I don't think enough people
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are talking about that. And it isn't just to recover fumble,
which was a huge play in the game, okay, just
the fact that he's out there. These are the best
offensive linement and all of a sudden he's out there playing,
you know, playing the majority of the game.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And he pitched the shutout. He didn't give him one
pressure in the whole game. He was going the run
game was he played the heck of a game? All right,
Final question, Charlie. As Giant fans moved forward, he or Jackson,
Darthur all very excited, what message would you send to
them about maybe the trials and tribulations of rookie quarterbacks.
You talked about how you had tom as As when
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he was a young player, the ups and downs, and
maybe some of the patients that should be exercised as
Jackson starts to figure things out at the pro level.
It's not just going to be like a linear line
going up right. It's gonna be a little choppy here there.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, you're asking the wrong guy because you're asking You're
you're talking to the guy that before anyone was saying,
this is the guy. I mean, I haven't saying it
all along. I watched him for three years. I watched
him evolved, and I can't tell you how many teams
I told I, go, this is the guy. Now. No
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disrespect to camp Ward. I thought he was a great player.
He probably was the most talented player. He probably but
he wasn't a guy that I would have wanted. That
doesn't mean he's not the most talented. Because I was
around Jackson personally not a lot. You know this is
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I'll look at I'm not Charlie Junior, and I'm not Lean.
I was around like them, But he has that special
something that you look for, and I can't tell you
how valuable that it factor really is. So when you're
asked me to temper the giant fans down, you're talking
to the wrong guy. Okay, I'm not tempering it down
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one bit.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, I guess the question wasn't specifically to Jackson, just
in terms of dealing with young players and young quarterbacks
specifically in the National Football League as great as you
think he's going to be. Obviously there's going to be
learning experiences along the way. That's where I was trying
to go with that one, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
He want to know his biggest weakness. He blames everything
that goes wrong on himself. When they lost a couple
of games last year, he blamed He's gotten front of
the media, blamed himself for everything. I mean, and let's
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face it, the quarterback gets the glory when you win, Okay,
get to blame when you look. There's two people will
get it, the head coach and the quarterback. When things
go well, everyone says good things about the head coach
and the quarterback. When things don't go well, every new
one bad. Now it's the head coach and the quarterback.
It's you know, it's universal. It happens everywhere. But I
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think that he has to understand that he's got to
do his part and that's all he can do. But
the one thing, I promise you. Within teen minutes the
end of that game on Sunday, he was talking to
Elik Neighbors. I promise you. I know the kid, I
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promise you. He was talking to Milik neighbors. You know,
I don't know. I don't know how that how that worked.
I don't know where he was, but I promise you,
whether whether he was in the hospital or whether he
was in the locker room, regards where he was, he
was looking for Molik neighbors after they got through the
little locker room celebration, which I'm sure with a welcome
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change after being h and three, I'm sure that was
the first thing on his mind. It wasn't go find
his parents and all his family that he had there.
It was Milik neighbors. That's who the kid is.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Jolly, you're the best. This was awesome. I really appreciate
the time. Anything you want to let the fans know
that you're up to, that you're doing. The floor is yours.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, I lived my carriage Lee through my kid, you know,
I just I just root for all men. I was.
You know, Jackson on Saturday afternoon wasn't studying the game plan,
by the way. He was watching his beloved rebels up
on LSU as their offense went against their vaunted defense
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at LSU and just tore them up for four hundred
and eighty yards. So I promise you that Jackson on
Saturday night was talking a lot of trash and elite neighbors.
I'm sure that that was going on. But you know,
this is a good week for me. It's a bye week,
you know, for Ole Mess, so you know, I can fly.
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I'm actually flying up to New Jersey this week to
go to a wedding on Friday night, you know, So
Alex will be in Jersey for the weekend. But I
will be watching the Giants Saint game on Sunday because
now Mike, I already had kind of a rooting interest
for the Giants. You know, I don't really root for
an NFL team. I only root for ol Mess, you know,
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because that's my blood. But with Jackson there, you know,
Jackson and Charlie were like brothers. Lane was like his
second dad. Well, Charlie was like his older brother, you know.
So you know, I obviously have a lot of a lot,
a lot of investors in the Jackson and I'm I wishing,
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I'm wishing the best for him.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Charlie, thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it,
all right, take care of now.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
He is Charlie Weiss. Charlie, what's going on? Man? How
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning? And I guess things are a little bit
better up there in New Jersey. Uh after last week's win.
So let's get wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, absolutely, Charlie and Troy Weiss's son is the offensive
coordinated at Ole Miss. He coached Jackson Dart down there
calls the plays with Trolly on in the offseason.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
He gave us some invaluable insight about Jackson.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
He spent time in the meeting room with him down there,
has an intimate knowledge of the player and how he plays.
I thought it was appropriate to have him on after
Jackson Dart's first start. So, Troy, I'm gonna start the
basic one. I'm sure you watch the game, you watch
the tape. What do you think of Jackson Dart's first start?
I know you weren't surprised by how well he did.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
No, I wasn't surprided at all. I've been telling people
all along, but this is what they should expect. I mean,
it wasn't perfect. He knows it wasn't perfect. There were
some there were there were things that he liked to
do better. But me, he showed who he is. I mean,
he's a natural leader. He's got the it factor. And
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in addition to his physicality and using his legs and
his accuracy. You saw how the tea he's like the
pipe piper. And even though he's a rookie, you know,
people like playing with him. You know, people you know
he's infectious and I think that, you know, I've watched
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the Giants over the last month, actually in the preseason,
and I saw it a little bit with Skataboo, you know,
where he was a little and you could see why
Jackson and the Scatterboro were boys. You could see why
they hang together because it seems like their personalities are
very similar.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, absolutely, right, charl And you talk about how he's
the pied piper, and I think that has to do
with the first thing you said, right, how he plays
his willingness to be a football player, not a quarterback, right,
his physicality, the way he runs. I think that all
kind of works together, which is why he's so magnetic
and why guys follow him and want to believe in him.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, I mean there's good in bad with that physicality,
as we know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean I was gonna ask about that too.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
They're putting yourself that rest. But I say, out the
entire game, the play I like the most was a
play that didn't count. It was the short yardage play
where he gets stuffed with an unblocked d B gets
linebacker whoever it was stucked, bounces off of him. He said, no, no, no, no, no,
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that's not how and ends up bouncing it to the left.
Ends would have had the first down if it weren't
for the fact that they were the defense was off
sides on the play. Out of all the players in
the game, and you know, you're not supposed to talk
about a quarterbacks run, is the number as your favorite
play in the game, but I think that that was
my favorite play that he made the game. My favorite
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play of the game was obviously Dexter Lawrence is a
fair close to a touchdown, But my favorite Jackson Dark
play of the game was that shortyard drive.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Ironically, Charlie, the next playing that to ask you about
is another play that didn't count because John Michael schmidz
s clinted a hold on the play. And that was
Jackson Dart's long run as a coach. You get into
the meeting afterwards, what do you tell him about that
very violent steff arm that he threw with his throwing
hand at the opposing teams a DB's face mask.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Is that one of the.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Things where you're like Jackson, you got to toe it
down with your throwing hand a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, you can tell them all you want luck on that, okay,
I mean, I mean yeah, Hell, for three years I
listened to Charlie and Lane say get down, get down,
get down, get down, get down. And I'm sure he's
getting the same thing from the head coach, the offensive
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coordinator at a quarterback coach, and probably the players too. Well,
he is you know, we're in college, the players weren't
telling him to get down. Now, I'm sure he's got
teammates that are saying, hey, you're more important to us.
You know that you're healthy than you know than putting
yourself at rest. I'm sure he's going to hear that
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a bunch of times. Slowly, he'll evolved, I mean, and
I'm not saying he's Josh Allen. When Josh Allen started,
you couldn't tell him to get down, right, And he's
evolved years of experience, and you know, vicious hits and
things like that. You know, you pick and choose those times,
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those critical times where you go ahead and risk yourself,
and you try to minimize those hits as much as
you possibly can.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, absolutely, right, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm with you, and I think you don't want to
try to pull them back too much because that's what
that's what makes them special, too, right, is that competitiveness
wanting to always make a play. So I think there's
a balance you have to draw there, right in terms
of you know how much you want to can It's
kind of like Baker Mayfield, right, Like Baker plays like
like a maniac.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But that's also what makes them special.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Right well, I think right now the Giants need that, righted.
They That's one of the reasons why they made it
switch your quarterback because he brings a different element, you know,
your run game. The Giants run game look totally different
with that quarterback in there because now on every single play,
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that defense has to depend the quarterback run on every play.
And it's true on pass rush too. So I promised
you as a Saints or practicing this week, you know,
as their pass rushing on third and long, they're worried about, Okay,
what's gonna happen if we let this quarterback three? And
that's not necessarily outside. As you notice he steps up inside,
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his eyes are downfield and if he sees a hole,
he goes ahead and tention.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Absolutely, Charlie, And I think what impressed me the most
in the game, And again this didn't surprise me either,
because I think this was all over his tap ital
and miss when when when we were all studying for
the draft, his pocket presence and ability to stay calm
even when maybe guys are closing in or the pocket's
collapsing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He had two plays where he stepped up you.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Know, in the middle of the pocket, up the pocket
and found two players in the middle field for the catch.
He the other played a Darius Slayton in the shadow
of his own goalpost, where he rolls to the right
with his off hand. He's waving the Slaton to run
the little comeback on a little off schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
He completes a pass there.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There was no panic when there was some pressure, and
I just thought his poison those situations was excellent.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He does something rare for a young quarterback, you know,
for a rookie twenty two year old, is when he
steps up in the pocket from pressure, his eyes are
still downfield. Now, he obviously not afraid to run it.
But most of those guys on once once it hits
the fan, I mean they're running, they're not even thinking
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about throwing the ball. Where Jackson's still looking to throw
it first before he goes ahead and takes off and run.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, and look that that's going to serve him well,
because you're not going to win games consistently week the week,
Charlie in the National FOOTB League with the quarterback running
a ton. But if you can scramble to throw I
think that can be an extremely valuable weapon. And again
that is something that I think we saw him do
a a ton at Penn State, where if you can
challenge the run, other teams have to keep a spy
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in there or just their their coverages in the back
end to account for the scrambling quarterback, and then you
can throw off of that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's when it becomes a really dangerous weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
One correction, you mean what he did at all? Messed?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He did it against Penn State? He didn't. You said
you said Penn State?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Did I say Penn State? Yeah? Sorry, I don't miss.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I find it comical because that's one game who is
going against that vaunted Penn State defense and he just
tore them up in the ball game. I enjoyed that tremendously.
You have to admit it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,
you gotta go over the middle with it. The score great.
How do we make that happen?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know, but Citizen does makes sense of your
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Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
As we move ahead now here, Charlie, I thought it
was very important for the Giants in Week one, the
way they got that lead early and that was a
big right at the Jackson with the way the Giants
able to run the ball in that opening drive he
completed two passes for twenty one yards and being able
to play from the lead. With the lead, I think
it allowed Brian dable to keep that favorable game script
run the football not but too much on Jackson moving
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forward here, and I think just having that lead with
a young quarterback at the helm. And I'd love to
get your comment on this can be so helpful for
a play caller to kind of control the game, trust
script and control the game so you can use them
exactly the way you want.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's true. Let me add one more positive. Do you
notice how much pressure Carvert was under all day long?
Would you like to know one little tidbit that no
one's talking about?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Because the Giants played with the lead and they Chargers
had to throw the football to the lead.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So now all of a sudden, pass rushers can be
pass rushers because when you're playing from behind, I mean
those offenses are run the ball a lot more. I
mean Chargers barely ran the ball the whole game. They
hardly ran the ball, so you have those dynamic pass
rushers that can stop worrying about having to play a
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run and a pass on an equal basis. Okay, it
makes it makes good pass rushers even better.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, it absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And how does it help a young quarterback and a
play color coach when you're able to look the Giants
the running backs.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
They averaged a ton of yards per carry, but the
volume was there.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They had thirty the running backs themselves, I'm gonna ta
Jackson out of it, had thirty two rushes for one hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And seven yards.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
How does that help a quarterback, especially a young one
in their first game? And moving forward here, if that
run game can at least give you the volume and
consistent yards on first and second down to keep you
in good downs and distances.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, believe it or not, my philosophy was always it's
the volume of runs. It's not the yard that you gain,
because when if you're trying to play a complimentary game
where you can run and pass. And I was a
big play action guy. So the more time you run
the ball, the more times they have the defender run,
the easier play action pass ends up getting. That's where
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you get your chunks. You don't get your chunk you
don't get your chunks, you know, very often unless you
get defenders misplaced. And how do you get a miss
place you get a misplaced in play action? And why
does play action become effective because of the volume of runs.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
One hundred percent And the other thing I want to
throw out there too, Charlie, which was impressive for a
young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
No turnovers in the game for Jackson.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
A big reason the Giants won is because there were
plus two the defense that the offense up twice inside
the five yard line, but the Giants did not turn
the ball over. And it's not like there was a
drop pick or you know, the one fumbled snap that
Andrew Thomas are covered, which is a huge play. But
Jackson never put the ball in danger over the course
of this game against by the way, a defensive secondary
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and the Chargers who disguise very well and are really
good at taking the football away.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He I'm not comparing the college opponents to the Chargers.
You know, what were his stats? You know, he's a
ten to one touchdown interception guy. I mean, it was
some phenomenal some phenomenal stat And when you look at
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guys who learn to take care of the football, okay.
That is a great redeeming quality the quarterback can have
is taking care of taking care of the football. The
difference is even though he was sacked five times. Sometimes
taking the sack is the right thing to do, believe
it or not. You know, because people say we'll throw
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it away, Well, sometimes you can't throw it away, depending
on where that pressure is coming from. And sometimes a
guy's coming unlocked or unimpeded to you. Sometimes taking the
sack is the right thing to do. I'm not encouraging
taking secks on you, okay, because offensive line coaches get
a big case of ojia when when sacks are being recorded,
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offensive line coaches taking you very defensively when that ends
up happening. But I think that. I mean I watched
the Giants play a complimentary football game. And for all
those years of teams, when I've been on winning teams,
complimentary football has been the key. Even on one side
of the ball was better than the other side, you
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played to that. I played on teams where the defense
was better than the offense. You played to your defense.
I've been on teams where the offense was better than defense.
You played to your offense. In that game, this week
the Readon won. The Giants beat the Chargers that because
their whole team played played it played a good game,
because if one facet wouldn't have played a good game,
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they would have won that game. And right now, I mean,
obviously you lose a guy like Lague Neighbors said, you know,
that's gonna be a big blow. But if the Giants
play complimentary football, they're gonna be in every game. There's
not one game on the schedule, and that includes the
so called world champion Eagles. I mean, the Eles are
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not the Eagles are not unbeatable. If you play a
complimentary football game, okay, but you have to be playing
a complimentary football game. I think that's what the Giants
got this past week.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And we'll talk about Neighbors and now what Jackson has
to do moving forward.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Trolie last one on this game, and that's exactly what Ticky,
Barbara and I said on the pregame show before that
game on Sunday. You're not going to ask your rookie
quarterback to come in here and be a savior for you.
You're not gonna ask any one player, a quarterback to
be a savior for you.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He needs no, not yet. You need help from the
offensive line.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I thought the Giants offensive line probably played their best
game of the year this week. We talked about the
running game, we talked about the defense. You needed to
put the stuff around the quarterback to give him a
good chance to succeed. And really, for the first time
this year, Charlie, and again, you want to connect that
to Dart, we can. I thought most facets of this
Giants team played good, solid football, which allowed them to
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beat a pretty darn good team in the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, and right now, Jackson's more a comp memory player,
you know, that's what he is at this point. But
remember I remember a few years ago, going back, you know,
we had a we had a quarterback change due to
injury back in New England, and this young guy came
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in named Grady and when he first started playing, we
hardly did anything with him. We hand the ball off, okay,
we threw a lot of short passes, play through, a
little bit of play action, and by the end of
the year, he's running a two minute drive to win
the Super Bowl. I mean, so that's how much changes.
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I mean, we're talking you've only played a quarter of
the season. They don't played four games. I mean, you
got a long long way to go in this year,
and I think that you're going to watch him, watch
the Giant offense evolve as Jacksony falls, and I think
that the defense, I think that, I mean, this is
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no disrespect to Russell Wilson, but I think the defense,
you know, kind of got a jump jump start because
they know they're playing with a rookie quarterback and they
had it. They had to step up a little bit
more because the rookie quarterback was in there.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
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Weiss and coach, you talked about expanding the palette. Now
as you move forward with Jackson Dart as a coach,
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when do you know when you can start giving him more?
How do you kind of to start putting more in?
How do you expand that menu for him as you
now move along in the season.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Depends on who you're playing, I mean, because football is
really a lot more simple than fans like to think.
It is. Every week you shit there those coaches by
Sunday night, Okay, by Monday night, for sure, you're sitting
there studying the next opponent. You know, sometimes you do
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it Sunday night where you know, you get home, you
know they'll you know, celebrate your.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Mom with you, with your family a little bit, and
the game's over. Then you already you're already in your
mind onto the next game. But you're sitting there where
coaches are in. Their money is not on game day.
Coaches earn their money.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
From money, you know, from Monday to Saturday night, when
they're creating a game plan and implementing the game plan
and getting it and then teaching the game and getting
it ready to go. And I think that each week
it's his own separate andity. I mean, this week it's
New Orleans. So what are their strengths? What are their weaknesses?
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And I think that as you put more stuff in
which they will, I think it has to be opponent specific.
You know, you have the nuts and bolts of the
era offense in now it's opponents specific. What things that
Jackson does well fits this upon it this week, let's
put them in.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, I was talking to your former broadcast partner, Bob Papa,
and you know you talked about the sacks that that
Jackson took over the course of that game. In three
or four weeks or five weeks, coach, he's probably not
gonna be taking those sacks, right, He's going to either
make a quicker decision, get the ball out things like that,
you know. And we saw a couple of plays in
the game, or maybe held it to a couple guys
open down the field.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
He didn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
As you move along here, how do you help him
see that stuff? Or is that something that is he
rewatches the game on tape with the coaches. The next
couple of days, things will slow down for him and
he'll start maybe seeing the stuff that he doesn't see
in that first game out there.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well, let me just clarify one thing to you, just
so you understand. Sometimes when you see a guy wide open,
that's not where to play was designed to go. Sure,
absolutely a lot of times people, why did you throw
it to so and so Because he wasn't in the
read That's why I didn't throw it to him. Like
if you have if you have a progression read or
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you have a coverage read, and it tells you to
go to a specific spot. Well, that's where you should
be looking, right, I mean, you shouldn't be looking at
that guy who's running wide open just because if that's
not in the read, if it gets to him, fine, Okay,
But I think that the answer to that, I just
wanted to clarify that one.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I even watch the games last night, and then, well,
I don't know why you didn't throw it to so
and so. Were they sitting in the game plan? But
did they know where to play was designed to go?
Did they watch if there was any pressure on the play?
Did they watch if somebody ran the wrong route? I mean,
you don't know those things when you're watching the game.
But that all that being said, I think that the
(20:18):
more I think that he was more inclined to be
conservative than risque in those situations. Okay, And I think
that ended up playing out. He ended up winning the game.
I think that I think that the more, I mean,
look at this is not a conservative kid, No, that's
his nature. Okay. I think he played very, very, very smart.
(20:42):
But I think that as he becomes more confident and
has more freedom. You know, I think that some of
those things you talked about will indeed happen.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You mentioned the Lague Neighbors injury. How does that now
impact how you get him ready and instruct him for
these games, Charlie beause, you know, if you're playing a
team that plays heavy man, it's easy to say, well,
you see man defense, you know where you're going to
the ball, you're throwing them Eleak Neighbors. Right, That's not
the easy answer that he's going to have now. So
as a coach, you lose your top wide receiver, you're
(21:15):
talking to your rookie quarterback. How do you have that discussion?
What do you tell Jackson about his approach now without
that easy answer of Malik Neighbors and maybe some of
those one on one situations.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, two things you're still the last time I checked,
this high guy is one of the fastest guys in
the league. Now. I don't know if he can catch
a cold, okay, but I know he can run by people.
So what you do is you take different players that
you have and give them some of the responsibilities that
Malik had. That's number one. Number two, you can get
(21:49):
people open versus man coverage. Yep, just you have to
use formations in motion. I mean, who's said a rule
that you can't go ahead and then create situations by
coaching to kick guys open versus man coverage. Now, if
you just detach them and go four open and have
me vertical down the field, shame on you. I mean
(22:13):
that's a coach's fall, that's not the player's fault. But
you use in some cases, you use players that have
specific skill sets to take off some of the load
and the other ones you could, you know, use formations,
formations and motions to get people open. If you want
to know how to manage two minutes of crunch time football,
I'm your man.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
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go ahead, I apologize.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
The full answer. How about that for a simple answer?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Now, I think that's I think that makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And this goes back to my question then that was
about to ask you watch a ton of college you
watch a ton of pro how much more of you
seen some college concepts and stuff like that leaking into
the pro game. As we get further and further along
is as you get coaches kind of mixing and matching
coming in and out of college and the pros and
basically trying to use these young players as quickly as
(23:15):
possible and maybe using some of the concepts that they
used in college.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, I find it comical when you get around draft
time and people start, well, he'sing a college offense. I mean,
are you kidding me? Those college coaches are getting paid
a lot of money now too. I mean, in case
you haven't noticed, I mean that become big business. The
(23:39):
players are getting paid, the coaches are getting paid. I mean,
they're not getting paid as much as they are in
the NFL, but you know there's some serious it's a
big business. And why wouldn't you study the best offenses
both in the pro and in college. I mean, I
know that Charlie looks a lot of that motion and
(24:01):
stuff that Andy Reid does with the Chiefs. I know,
I know for a fact he does that. And for example,
Ole Miss has a quarterback from from a Division two
quarterback from Parish State. That's lighted it up. Well, not
only did they recruit him and sign him, but they
(24:22):
took someone a place that they were running at that
school because they like the concepts. It's a trickle up effect,
not a trickle down effect. Why wouldn't you use concepts
that good offenses or good defenses are used to your back?
It just would make no sense.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, Two final questions for you.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
What are the things that you think that Jackson does
really well from a throwing perspective, you know, is downfield stuff?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Do you like crossers?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What are some of the things that you think the
Giants can really lean into that he showed a lot
of success with at Ole miss that as Giant fans
look forward to what might look like as you move
forward down the line. Here Charlie, that you think Jackson
early in his career could really succeed at at the
NFL level.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, he was the best deep ball thrower in college
football last year. Okay, you didn't see very many deep
balls in that game. Okay, you already know ex accurate,
short and intermediate, but people that have not seen the
deep ball yet, and you know, as the year goes on,
you'll see some home run shots, I promise you.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And by the way, Charlie, I only did give Jackson
credit to your point. He's an aggressive kid. He wants
to throw the deep ball, right. But the fact that
he was able to temper himself, knowing that the Chargers play,
you know, two safeties deep most of the game and
they try to eliminate that from the offense, I was
pretty impressed. And look, he tried to throw a cup
early in the game, but then he realized, look, this
(25:50):
probably is not going to work. And for him to
temper that tendency for him, which I think is a
good one in the face of what the opponent was showing.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I thought showed a pretty big bit of maturity. To
be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, one thing you saw as you watch the game,
if you leave a hole a short intermediate.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
It's going to be on the numbers. He's going to
hit you right in the chest. I mean, he is
dead on accurate when it comes to those things. So
once you now you start to establish a little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Of a running game. That makes the offensive lineman happy
because the offensive linemen just aren't past luck in the
whole game. Now they can be aggressive and get off
the line of scrimmage. That helps the offensive linemen. I mean,
now all of a sudden, your running backs are happier.
Now your tight end's going to get become happier because
in play action pass, the easiest got to get open,
(26:44):
and play action pass actually is the tight end the
easiest got to get open because the linebackers step up.
He's behind him, I mean, and that's where a lot
of the windows are. That's why teams use playacks and
throw the bowl in the tight end a whole bunch.
I'm really excited to see how this he follows and
look at I obviously know Brian very well. You know
(27:05):
I don't know as well. I mean, I know Brian
very well, and even though Kap is calling the plays,
I know I know Brian's involved during during the week
on game planning, he'll say, well they think about this,
what do you think about that? And that's what that's
what he should be doing anyway. But at the end
of the day, I think the Giant offense is going
(27:25):
to look a lot different. And you got to pick
up the slack when somebody, when you lose a player,
you got to pick up the slack and you got
to figure out how you're going to exactly you're going
to do that. I think that it's I think it's
being understated. The return and help of number seventy eight.
I think it's being understated. I don't think enough people
(27:45):
are talking about that. And it isn't just to recover fumble,
which was a huge play in the game, okay, just
the fact that he's out there. These are the best
offensive linement and all of a sudden he's out there playing,
you know, playing the majority of the game.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And he pitched the shutout. He didn't give him one
pressure in the whole game. He was going the run
game was he played the heck of a game? All right,
Final question, Charlie. As Giant fans moved forward, he or Jackson,
Darthur all very excited, what message would you send to
them about maybe the trials and tribulations of rookie quarterbacks.
You talked about how you had tom as As when
(28:22):
he was a young player, the ups and downs, and
maybe some of the patients that should be exercised as
Jackson starts to figure things out at the pro level.
It's not just going to be like a linear line
going up right. It's gonna be a little choppy here there.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, you're asking the wrong guy because you're asking You're
you're talking to the guy that before anyone was saying,
this is the guy. I mean, I haven't saying it
all along. I watched him for three years. I watched
him evolved, and I can't tell you how many teams
I told I, go, this is the guy. Now. No
(28:58):
disrespect to camp Ward. I thought he was a great player.
He probably was the most talented player. He probably but
he wasn't a guy that I would have wanted. That
doesn't mean he's not the most talented. Because I was
around Jackson personally not a lot. You know this is
(29:19):
I'll look at I'm not Charlie Junior, and I'm not Lean.
I was around like them, But he has that special
something that you look for, and I can't tell you
how valuable that it factor really is. So when you're
asked me to temper the giant fans down, you're talking
to the wrong guy. Okay, I'm not tempering it down
(29:43):
one bit.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, I guess the question wasn't specifically to Jackson, just
in terms of dealing with young players and young quarterbacks
specifically in the National Football League as great as you
think he's going to be. Obviously there's going to be
learning experiences along the way. That's where I was trying
to go with that one, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
He want to know his biggest weakness. He blames everything
that goes wrong on himself. When they lost a couple
of games last year, he blamed He's gotten front of
the media, blamed himself for everything. I mean, and let's
(30:22):
face it, the quarterback gets the glory when you win, Okay,
get to blame when you look. There's two people will
get it, the head coach and the quarterback. When things
go well, everyone says good things about the head coach
and the quarterback. When things don't go well, every new
one bad. Now it's the head coach and the quarterback.
It's you know, it's universal. It happens everywhere. But I
(30:46):
think that he has to understand that he's got to
do his part and that's all he can do. But
the one thing, I promise you. Within teen minutes the
end of that game on Sunday, he was talking to
Elik Neighbors. I promise you. I know the kid, I
(31:08):
promise you. He was talking to Milik neighbors. You know,
I don't know. I don't know how that how that worked.
I don't know where he was, but I promise you,
whether whether he was in the hospital or whether he
was in the locker room, regards where he was, he
was looking for Molik neighbors after they got through the
little locker room celebration, which I'm sure with a welcome
(31:31):
change after being h and three, I'm sure that was
the first thing on his mind. It wasn't go find
his parents and all his family that he had there.
It was Milik neighbors. That's who the kid is.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Jolly, you're the best. This was awesome. I really appreciate
the time. Anything you want to let the fans know
that you're up to, that you're doing. The floor is yours.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, I lived my carriage Lee through my kid, you know,
I just I just root for all men. I was.
You know, Jackson on Saturday afternoon wasn't studying the game plan,
by the way. He was watching his beloved rebels up
on LSU as their offense went against their vaunted defense
(32:15):
at LSU and just tore them up for four hundred
and eighty yards. So I promise you that Jackson on
Saturday night was talking a lot of trash and elite neighbors.
I'm sure that that was going on. But you know,
this is a good week for me. It's a bye week,
you know, for Ole Mess, so you know, I can fly.
(32:37):
I'm actually flying up to New Jersey this week to
go to a wedding on Friday night, you know, So
Alex will be in Jersey for the weekend. But I
will be watching the Giants Saint game on Sunday because
now Mike, I already had kind of a rooting interest
for the Giants. You know, I don't really root for
an NFL team. I only root for ol Mess, you know,
(33:00):
because that's my blood. But with Jackson there, you know,
Jackson and Charlie were like brothers. Lane was like his
second dad. Well, Charlie was like his older brother, you know.
So you know, I obviously have a lot of a lot,
a lot of investors in the Jackson and I'm I wishing,
(33:21):
I'm wishing the best for him.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Charlie, thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it,
all right, take care of now.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
That's Charlie Wise and the Johnson Podcast, brought to you
by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants and the Hackensack.
When you hell the podcast, do you keep getting better?
We'll see you next time on the Johnson Podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
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