September 26, 2025 • 38 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk sits down with Giants wide receiver, Darius Slayton, to talk about gelling with Jaxson Dart. Paul Dottino chats with Charger play-by-play announcer, Matt “Money” Smith, about the matchup with the Los Angeles Chargers, and Bob Papa has his weekly sit down with Giants Head Coach, Brian Daboll.
:00 - Darius Slayton
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're back here on another episode of the Giants Little Podcast,
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I am John Schmouth. Thank you so much for being
with us today. Everybody, a fun show coming to you today.
The Giants announced this week that Jackson Dart is going
to be their starting quarterback against the Chargers on Sunday.
So I had a chance to talk to Giants veteran
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wide receiver Darius Slayton about Jackson Dart and that change.
We are also gonna hear from Matt Muddy Smith. Paul
Deatino interviews him, gives us a good preview of the Chargers,
and then Bob Papa, the Voice of the Giants, talks
to Brian Dable, the Giants head coach, about the Jackson
Dart move and everything else about the matchup on Sunday.
We're gonna lead things off with our player interview, as
you do every week. Here's my talk with Giants wide
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receiver Darius Slayton, joined by Giants veteran wide receiver Darius
Slayton right here in the Hackensack of Britney Health podcast video.
Keep getting Better, Darius, Let's go on, man, how are
you Nothing much?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just chilling?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, slow week, not a lot of news or anything
like that. When you guys got the news on Tuesday
that there was going to be a quarterback change, what
was kind of your gut visceral reaction when you heard yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I mean, obviously to us came as came as a surprise,
So you know, surprise was the first one reaction. I
feel like, you know, me personally hadn't. Probably a lot
of guys had, but you know, decision they made and
we're gonna roll with.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It absolutely, and I think, you know, I'm not surprised
by it. But the way Russell has handled it has
been you know, class and you know first class. And
you know, this is a guy that has come here
and really helped set the culture in the offseason, right
and everyone's rally behind him. How important was it for
him to handle the way he does. He's supporting Jackson,
he's the backup for this thing, trained to kind of
move and down the tracks the way it is.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think it's huge, you know, I think obviously somebody
who's had a success he had in a career, in
the career that he's had, you know, very easily. You know,
this could have been something that he could have, you know,
handled in a nasty fashion or in a in an
unclassy fashion. But you know, it just kind of shows
the person he is the way that he's handled it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Now, you were here and you mentioned this when you
talk to the media on the Monday Zoom call. Right,
you were here when they made this change from Eli
to Daniel. That was week three, this is week four.
What did you see from there and did you learn
anything that either you guys can do as wide receivers.
You could talk to Jackson about to try to make
this transition smooth so there isn't aren't any hitches in
the offense as you make switch from one quarterback to another.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I think you know, the best way you can
kind of try to try to mitigate that is to,
you know, make sure you're where you're supposed to be
exactly when you're supposed to be there, you know, and
be predictable, unpredictable to the defense, were predictable to Jackson.
You know, it's how I'd like to word that, but
you know, obviously you know also he's a he's got
more a little bit more in the run game, you know,
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as far as like quarterback design, runs things like that.
So you have to be aware of those types of things.
But other than that, you know, like I said, just
being on top of your assignments and being clear and
easy for him.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You mentioned the quarterback run game. In one area where
I think the offense as a whole struggle a little
bit this year has been the red zone, right, how
much can that added additional quarterback run factor help a
team be more successful in that red area?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, I think anytime you can add an element to
your offense, I think it makes it harder to defend,
especially down the red area, you know, and have to
worry about the quarterback pulling it or throwing it or
handing it to the running back. You know, it's a
lot for defence to try to stay on top of.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, and this is me talking. I don't want to
put words in your mouth, but you know, we do
our call and show and everything like that every day.
And the point I've tried to make is that it's
an eleven man offense and no one should rely on
a rookie quarterback, especially to come in and be some
type of savior. Right, And I'm sure you guys aren't
having that conversation specifically, but this has to be an
eleven man unit thing, right, Like Jackson's going to do
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is his part, but he needs help for everybody around
them in order to be successful.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
For sure. I mean, I think as much as everybody
makes of the quarterback, but just in the NFL, and
it is important, and certainly you know they have big impact.
You know, the first thing everybody runs to holler at
if a quarterback doesn't do well as well, they need
to get them some weapons. Well, if that's the case,
you know, the supporting cast is pretty important. And you know,
we feel like we have a pretty good supporting cast
here and obviously, you know, if we live up to
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our billion and that'll make Jackson's job easier.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, And obviously you talk about the weapons, your wide
receiver group, you talk about being where you are when
you're supposed to be. You haven't had a ton of
snaps to Jackson. He did a bit with the ones
in the spring, didn't do a lot during the summer,
but obviously Malik wasn't on the field in the spring,
So have you what kind of things have you done
this week to try to get on the same page
with him, just in terms of the timing physically on
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the field.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean, we know we have portions of practice
where you know, you have routes on air, which sometimes
that helps a lot like not having to obviously you
have the elephant element of the defense when you're really playing,
but sometimes just helps just for timing and spacing, just
to get a feel, you know, the velocity of his
ball and for him for us it's you know, it
has speed of each of us individually, how we come
out of breaks individually. Those type of things help you
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to get on the same page faster in that regard.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And that's the physical part of it. I think the
other part is getting on the same page mentally with
the quarterback. Right, this quarterback see plays differently. Russell might
see and read one play differently than Jackson. And how
do you guys use that now extra meeting time with
Jackson to try to make sure you're seeing things the
same way that he does. You react to maybe a
wrinkle in a defense the same way he does. So
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you're on the same page. From a mental.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Perspective, yeah, I think, you know, watching film is important
and conversations are important, picking his brain, him picking our brain.
She last night he called me, it was, you know,
not that late, but too late for me. I was,
I was, I was already sleep and I answered the phone.
I screened. I wasn't sleeping. I was going to bed
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and he was up. You know, I had his iPad
out and actually, first thing he said to me, he's like,
he's like, you going to bed. He's like, dang year old.
I was like, all right, let's not too much, but
what are you looking at? And uh, you know, he
had you know, one of the concepts we had up.
But I mean, I think conversations like that are important,
you know, help us get on the same page.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's funny. I love that when you talk about how
a quarterback and his strengths. You always wanted to some
extent customize the game plan for the quarterback, right, it
might be one different one quarterback than the other. Obviously,
I'm not going to ask you how they're customizing and
give away trade secrets, but how much can that change?
You know, what an offense looks like? When you're changing
the person that is behind center based on their strengths
and weaknesses.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, it can be depending on who it is.
You know, it could be dramatic in our case, not
that dramatic, you know, I think a little bit, you know,
because you try to do things that your quarterback is
comfortable with, they're familiar with. What did that be? You know,
somebody like Russo has been in the NFL for a
long time. There's things he's done other places that he's
familiar with that you try to implement a little bit.
In Jackson's case, you know, you're trying to from it,
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you know, stuff from He's just out of college, so
maybe he has a comp set or two here or
there that he likes, or a run scheme that he likes,
and you try to do those things, but also to
remain within the offense that you already have established.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What is it about Jackson the person and the player
you can hit both that gives you in the locker
room the confidence that you have in him that he
can come in and get the job done as a rookie,
which we talked about can be really tough.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's nothing scary than when
somebody doesn't believe in themselves. And I think that that
scenario that he thrives in. You know, he presents that
he believes in himself a lot. He has a lot
of self confidence, which gives people around you confidence. And
you know, I think that's something that it's maybe not
necessarily something you show, but it's something that you can feel.
You know, if you're around a person, you listen to
why they speak, how to go about their business, you
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can feel. And I think everybody feels that he has
as self confidence and swagger about him.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And I imagine understanding that there's going to be a
need for patients as he learns things, and you can
only learn things when you go through them on the field, right.
Have you seen him doing that already though, And I'm
not even talking about just this week, but seeing things
during the summer in the spring, where all right, well
he made the mistake, he are he's not making it again.
Have you seen him kind of learn and improve as
you've experienced this with him since.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
He's been here, Yeah, for sure. I mean I think
you know, he's kind of from his college agent he's
always kind of played a physical to where he's brand
of football. But you know, you know, I think in
the preseason, you know, he try to a guy over
something like that, and you know we were just like, hey, man,
like you know all your life, you know, you're playing
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football back when you get to the NFL, like you're
playing quarterback now. So uh, it's a little different. You know,
you don't need to take those big shots. If you
got the first down, get down. But uh, you know,
I think I think he's done a good job making,
you know, slight adjustments as he learns along the way.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, recording on Thursday was rating this was the
perfect thing. They go out there and do like the
like full slipping slides slide that you gotta get down
there and go like ten yards at a time.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, today they've been a good get some shots up.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Absolutely all right, real quick on the opponent match up.
You book at the way the Chargers play defense, and
you know last week you guys saw a ton of
umbrella to safeties deep like they were not gonna let
you get behind them in coverage. I think that's what
we've seen from the Chargers for most of the season
as well. So how does that change for you as
a wide receiver when you have a defense that always
wants to try try to keep a cover over the
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top of the defense.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously it's receives. You know,
we want to make big plays down the field. We
want to we want to get shots up because you know,
who doesn't love the long bow. But at the same time,
you know, I think that that's a good good thing
for offense. You know, if they want to stay deep
like that, then you know, motor and Scad and Tracy
and other backs, you know, they'll have a field day.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think that at the end of the day, when
you're trying to win a football game, it doesn't really
matter who's who's the person that's you know, making the
big plays or going off. It just matters if we're
as an offense rolling and being efficient.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And I guess for you that's the impact of the
run game, right for the receiver, you know, if they're
going to have light boxes or early downs, if you
can run the ball, that changes the whole calculation of
the game for a wide receiver. Right, all right, final question.
When people talk about a team playing zone, I think
they feel it's like, oh, you know, when I was
playing street football as a kid, and everyone has an
area and that's what they're playing. But a lot of
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times the zone defense is basically like a match, right,
and then it just turns into man defense on the outside. Right,
Can you just explain to fans how different type of
zones really are different and it'll dictate how what plays
are effective against it and kind of how you operate
as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yes, so almost every zone nowadays has some form of
principles to it that are not just you drop over
here at five yards, you drop back here, ten, you
drop in between the hash and numbers at six, you know,
almost everything. There are certain defenses that do do that
that and they call it spot drop. You know, we're
just dropping to a spot.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Cowboys do a lot of that. Actually we just aways too, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But most other defenses that play zone they have some
type of match principles where if number two goes out
or number two goes vertical, that elicits a response from
the corner, from the safety, so on and so forth.
So you know, a lot of times, you know, you
might see a shell in a game and you know
you might be like watching it and be like, oh, man,
they're playing you know whatever, Cover four, like, why don't
they just do this? But you know, in a lot
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of cases, especially Cover four like basically plays out like
manna man against a lot of concepts. So you know,
those type of things are the type of things that
you know, as an offense obviously to try to combat.
But you know, at the same time, still like Cover
three has similar weaknesses even with the match principles as
it would just spot drop, and so does Cover too,
and so on and so forth. But you know a
lot of times, you know, people probably don't realize that nowadays,
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defenders have great awareness in space and so when they
drop into their zone or whatever, they're looking they're feeling, you know,
they're they're watching bodies and seeing people go by them.
So you know, those things you have to be mindful of.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's exactly type of detailed answer. I know we get
out of you slay good stuff, man, I appreciate it.
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had a chance to talk with him, so bad.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I guess first thing I want to ask you about
the Chargers is that in looking at their offensive line
this week, and I don't know how banged up they'll
be in the next day or two, but it does
seem as though the right side of the line from
Bozeman over the right tackle looks like they're a bit
nicked up. How much of a factor do you think
that might be.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
In the game? I think huge, you know, with this
Giants defensive line. We saw it against Denver and Justin Herbert,
you know, it's the most pressured regular season game of
his career fifty four percent against Denver, and I think
you'd say that that Giants defensive front is every bit
as good is what Denver had to offer. And then
when you go back and look at the film, you
notice left side is stout, it's solid. You know, Joe
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Alton Zion played great and it really all came from
that right side. So if kaya Becton can't get out
of concussion protocol, if Trey Pipkin's going to continue to
work through that knee and that ankle, it's gonna be
a major issue. I think what you end up could see,
what you could end up seeing is a lot of
Tucker Fisk on that side, the blocking tight end, a
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lot of Scott Mattlock shaded that way. Amarian Hampton, even
though he's a rookie, has been pretty darn good in
pass pro. So I think what you'll end up seeing
is that right side just kind of accounting for the
fact that Jamari saw yeer and banged up Trey Pipkins,
you know, really really got run over quite a bit
by Denver.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Now, one guy in particular, and you mentioned the Denver game.
I know there were five sacks all out in that game,
but one guy he used to be on the right
was Joe Alt, the former Notre Dame pick and then
number one first rounder. Him and Johnson both first rounders.
Alt is now playing left tackle because Slater got hurt,
and I see he's only allowed one sack. I did
happen to get a look at that video, but it
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looks like he's done a really nice job despite flopping
to the other side.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I think he's in the conversation. Is you know
now that they got a Protector of the Year, he
very well could win that inaugural award. They ended up
moving him to the right side six or seven snapps
as well for run plays when Beckton was in there,
and man, that was something to watch. So not only
is he protecting Herbert's blind side and that one Saki allowed,
Benito just got a killer jump. I mean, he timed
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that thing up perfectly. Nobody would have had a chance.
But then you're asking the guy to flip back to
the right side to clean some guys out in the
run game. He's been y I'll tell you it's funny
because you guys have you know, it's not funny, it's
interesting you guys have Melik Neighbors. But that was the
debate out here, and when they took all everyone was
quite upset. They wanted to see Malik Neighbors and Justin
Herbert makes some magic together. And I think now that
we're a year removed, they're pretty darn happy that they
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got Joe Alt up front, because man, he has been invaluable,
I think is the word I would use.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, you know it's funny. I'm sure that your quarterback,
Justin Herbert is also very happy that he's got that
tackle because quite frankly, the top three wide receivers on
this Chargers roster not exactly a switch.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Geez yeah, I'll tell you. And that's kind of the
way I presented it to the fans that I get it.
Malik is incredible, right, But I said, you got Joe Walton,
Lad McConkey. Now flip that take Malik Neighbors and what
left tackle are you getting at pick thirty five. It's
it's not even close when you kind of measure it
like that, as it's not just one player it's a
draft as a whole, and obviously lad last year broke
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every Chargers rookie record in the book. So it's that
was a really productive draft for Joe Hortiz and his staff.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
How much has the Niger Harris injury impacted Hampton? We
had talked a moment ago about Hampton doing a nice
job as being one of the you know, the high
picks this year, certainly a first rounder, but I'm not
so sure that they necessarily wanted to get him as
many snaps as they're getting him now that Harris is out.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. I think, you know, to
his credit, he was pressed into that, and you know,
because Naje went down and the only other back they
had they only have three backs up, was Hassan Haskins.
And you know, Hassan's more of a special team season
core four guy there. He'll do a little bit short yardage.
He's solid and pass pro, but he's not a guy
you're going to give ten fifteen care too. So I
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think we'll see this week with Kamani Bydell getting pulled up,
you know, someone they relied on quite a bit last year.
If he's you know, maybe taken a step. I think
his pass pro was a little leaky last year and
that's why he didn't make the initial fifty three, got
signed to the practice squad. But if that doesn't kind
of show that this this staff is really good about
giving guys on the roster and opportunity. It's like, hey,
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before we go out and sign someone or claim someone
off waivers, we're going to give you the chance to
fill that and give you that opportunity. So I think
that's what this is for Kamani. Can you sees it?
If he can, I think you're going to see them
go out and sign someone or make a trade for someone,
because they You're right, they do not want Amario Hampton
taking eighty five percent of the snaps at running back
for a full season.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now, what's interesting when I watch some of the video.
I went back and I looked at some of the
stuff from the first three games, and you know, one
of the things that you notice with the points, we
see twenty seven, then we see twenty and then we
see twenty three. And I think everybody always thinks of
Herbert and the explosiveness and the fact that, oh, you know,
they it could be a thirty point offense on any
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given Sunday, but it hasn't maybe been quite as explosive.
We're quite as consistent as some people would think. Why
first of all, is that assessment accurate? And if so, why, Yeah,
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You know, I think part of it is, you know,
the Chiefs defense is really good, and the Broncos defense
I think has a chance to maybe be the best
in the league just front to back how good they are.
So I think they've played two good defenses. But then
you look at the Raider game and it felt like
they left some out there. You know, a couple couple
players were left out there on the field. I think
it could be a thirty point offense. I think it
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just needs to find its rhythm. And by that I
mean I think that offensive line is kind of got it.
They're not quite on the same page yet. You know,
you had Makai Beckton miss almost all a training camp.
You've got Joe Walt moving from the right to the
left side. Trey Pipkins was your swing. So I just
feel like if they can get that front to cole As,
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the plays are there. It's just like it seems like
every every time it's there, something's breaking down up front,
whether that's the way they're blocking the backside on the
run and you can just see it wide open in
front of end. Then some backside defenders coming to blow
that thing up when it might have gone for an explosive.
I feel like they're closed, especially a Marion. I feel
like he is really close to busting one of those
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thirty forty yarders that's going to go to pay dirt.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It looks to me like they would predominantly like to
get the ball out of Herbert's hands quickly, at least
that's what it looks like. But then when they go
for the deeper routes, the line seems to be having
some trouble holding up, and then Herbert seems to hold
the ball a little too long. I graded four of
the ten sacks that the charges have given up on
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Herbert holding the ball and kind of almost forcing the
sack to happen because he just didn't get rid of it.
What do you think they want to do, because we
all know that Harball is a guy who wants to
he won the ball, But I'm just not sure I
know the philosophy of what they're trying to get done.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, I think I don't know if I necessarily agree
with that in whole. I do think you're right. There
are some sacks that he's taken. The one that Joe
Walt gave up. I think he could have climbed that
pocket and moved to the left, but the right side
got so leaky. I'm guessing in his periphery he just
saw that and took that and ate it. Herbert's been
pretty good about that. I think there's some quarterbacks that
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don't want to hold onto it because they don't want
the sack, they don't want to get hit, they don't
want to wait that extra beat for it to develop.
And I think, because you know, I think you saw
it in that touchdown to Keenan, right, how many quarterbacks
would have taken that sack instead of being able to
extend the play to throw that touch I think Herbert's
just that kind of quarterback, right. He's he's committed to
seeing it through and if that means he takes a sack,
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or if that means even look, last year only threw
three interceptions. But I think he's willing to put the
ball in harm's way in trying to make a play,
And so I just think that's how he's been wired
in terms of explosives and trying to push the ball downfield. Man,
that's a tough one because I do think they're there,
but at the same time, I don't necessarily feel like
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Lad and Keenan and Q are really the three guys
that are running nine routes. And that's what you're waiting for,
you know, things to develop. I think that the big
one last week, I'll tell you, is the emergence of
the rookie of Ronde Gadston. Is that's something that's been missing. Yeah,
the Syracuse kid, obviously his pops you know, played down
there in Miami, but he really added something to this
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offense that was missing, just that seam route and sort
of the explosive seam route right fifteen twenty yards down
the field. I'm anxious to see how that that can
work in this game game two, after kind of getting
through that feel out process. I mean, he had I'll
tell he had two huge catches on that game winning drive,
those drive starters to get it going, and I think
that's something you might see develop a little more and
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that could lead to what you're talking about, getting rid
of that ball a little bit quicker and getting that
route to kind of flash a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I saw the tight end distally also listed on the
injury report. I thought, now again, I could be wrong
with this. I thought I saw him doing a lot
of blocking stuff earlier when I looked at the video.
What would it mean to them if he's unable.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
To go, Well, you didn't go last week, and so
that's where you got Tucker Fisk. Yeah, will Is Look,
Will got pressed into duty last year because Hayden Hurst
got hurt and then really gave him nothing. Last year's
tight end room was a real struggle, and I tipped
my cap to Will. He's a blocking tight end, you know,
and he's going to give you two catches a game,
maybe three k And last year he ends up getting
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most career catches, most career yards, most career He was
the number one yacht guy on the team. And they
kind of found a little sweet spot with these tight
end screens with Will. But you know Will, Will should
be blocking, you know, Gadsden should and Conklin should be
your receiving tight ends. Will and Fisks should be your
blocking tight ends. If Will doesn't go, just kind of
answer your question directly, Tucker fiscal slide into that spot.
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He's and he's been exceptional. I mean, heck, I almost
want to put a put a number sixty something on
him and let him play right guard. He's been so
good at block and just let that thing go.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
All right, Let's flop it to the other side and
talk about this defense for a minute, because in all
the key categories they are I think top not only
top ten, but like top eight, I mean fourth fewers
points allowed per game, I think seventeen a game. They're
doing this without having a full three games out of Mac,
out of Perryman. And you know, if there's one thing
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I can say for Jackson Dart this week making his
first NFL start, thank goodness that he doesn't have to
face those two guys.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
In the lineup.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah, I'll tell you. The one thing I would say, though,
is just be aware of number three. Derwin is having
a defensive Player of the Year kind of start to
the season. He has been sensational. The loss of Mac
is huge, and I think depending on how that elbow
is trending, if he's going to be out a while,
I think you'll see them go get someone they need.
They need a guy that can win one on one
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up front, Tuley has stepped into that vacuum, I think,
and done a pretty darn good job. He's got sixteen thrushers.
Now it's not flashy because he doesn't have any sacks,
But we joked when he was a rookie that he
was the ultimate hockey assist guy. He probably got Joey
and Khalil and sex between them. He's just so good
at throwing bodies around and making the quarterback uncomfortable. So
forty five is the number to watch up front. And
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I think you know, Mike Elston's their defensive line coach.
He's sensational. You lose poonifour poonifoor was so good for
this team last year. Yeah, and they just threw numbers
at it. They went out and signed may Kwan Jones
and Deshauan Hann and they drafted Jamari Caldwell. All three
of those guys have been great. Jamari Caldwell, the third rounder,
was considered a reach, and I think people forget that.
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You know, you're drafting guys for coaches, and it's not
about your draft board and how you have these players ranked.
It's how the coaches think the player fits into what
they do, and man Caldwell has been massive for this
team as a rookie. So I think the interior of
the line is a and you know, kind of based
if Andrew Thomas going to play a full game probably
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works out okay for the Chargers that you want to
attack that interior a little more than that edge. But
I think the interior the line is really what's kind
of led to some of the block destruction, moving quarterbacks
out of the pocket, making them uncomfortable, and that's probably
where I put my focus. Tier Tart has got as
good a get off as anybody in the game inside,
and he's he's really kind of been the straw that
stirs the drink. So they're making up for Khalil. It's
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not where you'd think it come from. But I give
Jesse Minner a lot of credit. He's really done a
heck of a job whatever hand he's been dealt.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
See should it raise a red flag to me that
you did not mention Bud Duprey, who's been in this
league for over a decade and had his better years
earlier in his career, But the fact that you didn't
mention him right there in that answer tells me he's
been quiet.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So I think the one thing about you know, it's
very similar to Baltimore, right where you don't necessarily have
these speed rushers. You know, like there's no Brian Burns
on this team. You know, you don't have that too
on hundred and fifty pounds guy with a ton of
bend that's gonna just come flying off the edge. It's
very similar to Baltimore where these guys are big, they
set the edge, they're really good against the run, and
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if they get a sack because you know, the back
end held up, that's it's almost back end to front.
Is kind of how this thing has been working. So
I think for them, that's what they've asked from Bud.
Can you set the edge and you be physical at
the point of attack, and if the quarterbacks getting flushed
your way because you know Tier or Tully is busting
up that middle, then make that that sack. And I
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just I think that's kind of but it's it's yeah,
you're right, you know, I think if Khalil goes down
and Bud drops in, we're talking about Bud with two
or three sacks, and that's just not what Bud is, right, now,
I think Bud's more of us set the edge, protect
the you know, just kind of keep it contained and
let the other guys make plays.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Dante Jackson been around this league for a while. He's
been on what three teams, This might even be his
fourth team. Never really in my mind, separated himself from
the pack. I just thought he was a guy. But
from what I understand these first three games, he's played
extremely well.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, Steve klint Scale is the secondary coach, and much
like last year it was Christian Fulton, right, it was
a guy that was sort of an afterthought and he
ends up playing here for a year and getting a
big contract. Yeah, in Kansas City, I think you could
see the same sort of thing with Dante. You know.
My big concern with Dante, and going back and watching
his film from last year, was just didn't really tackle,
you know, and corners in this defense that's almost their
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primary responsibility is you better be able to tackle. And
I'll tell you their second year rook their second year
player out of Maryland, fifth round of tar Heed. Still
he's become one of the best tackling owners in the league.
He is exceptional. I think Dante probably took note of
that in training camp, and I think because he's improved
at that part of his game so much, it seems
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from what we saw last year. In the three games
that I've watched this year, it's just kind of led
to you, I think led to me at least saying, oh, yeah,
he can he can do this because you know, the
hand have always been there. I mean, he can get
the ball now. It was just a matter of can
you make plays, you know, not mistackles and let explosives
happen on your watch. And so I think he's been
really good about that.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Man, what do you suppose they're going to do with
Molik Neighbors. We'll assume that Neighbors will play. He seems
to get load management days off during the week of
practice all the time. So we'll assume he's going to play.
Based on what you've seen the first three weeks of
how the Charges have played the ace receiver on the
other team, how might you predict they would deal with Neighbors.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You'll see a bunch of different things. One it's you know,
Jesse Minner is always going to keep a lid on it.
They play more too high and they play more zone
than any other team in the league, and so everything's
going to stay in front of you. Tony Jefferson, the
old man they call him Monk, was out of football,
you know, scouting for the Ravens. I don't ever want
to see him off the field. I just you know,
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he was on the practice squad to start the season. Man,
he's so good and smart about making sure nothing it's
behind him. I think you could see some Saint juice.
Even though he did not have a good year in
Washington last year, he's been really good. He's kind of
their press man. I think you could see him try
to use that a little bit to see if they
can get physical with them on a couple snaps. But
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for the most part, I think it's it'll probably be
less about Malik and more about Dart. You know. It's
more about can we can we make that picture cloudy
for him? And can we make him think he's seeing
something that's not there. I think that's probably It's almost
like they're really good at baiting. They're very good at
at making quarterbacks think. Look they did it to Mahomes,
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they did it to Gino, who was coming off that
monster game, you know, against the Patriots, and ends up
throwing three interceptions. They really did a number on him.
So I think that's a little bit more of how
they'll try to control They look make sure no matter what,
that safety is always high enough that it cannot get
behind you. And on top of that, I think it's
just try to focus on the quarterback side of that.
That connection.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, it's interesting you talk maybe the disguising and some
of the baiting and stuff that might go on in
the back end of the defense, because a lot of
folks will say, if you've got a rookie quarterback, and
certainly one making his first start, best thing you could
do is just throw a ton of pressures at him.
But that's not the Charger's way. They're not a heavy
blitz team. So now that would be going against their
own grain if they were to try to take that philosophy.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, And I think also, you know, it's you know,
dark played, I'm out here, I'm you know, do a
ton of college football too. So we got to see
him a little bit at SC and ended up following
his career because he left when Lincoln came in. And
what you see and you know better than I do,
but you know, he's so thick down low, and he's
so strong and he is explosive, and I think Jesse
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Minner does not like And that's the one thing he's
done really well with Patrick Mahomes. It's like, I'm not
letting these guys get out of there, and if I blitz,
I got a chance for them to get out of
there and get after with their legs. So I think
you'll probably see that continue. You're absolutely right, instead of
blitzing him and they do blitz, don't get me wrong.
They'll bring that extra guy. They'll bring two extra guys
from time to time. You just don't really know. What
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he does really well is is disguising the front. Is
he'll have six on the line of scrimmage and you
don't quite know where the four coming from. And he
did a lot of that to Gino and it really
affected him. It really affected Geno, And so I think
you'll probably see some of that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You would not anticipate any kind of spy usage, correct,
because Dark to this point has improven that he can
necessarily do a great amount of damage with his legs.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah. I think you know we've seen dayon now in
a couple of different games as the Spy had that
huge sack on Mahomes in week one, just Spy and
Patrick over and over, and I think last week he
spied Nicks quite a bit. But you know, Nick's put
that on film, so I think you could see a
little bit of it. If that's what what coach da
Ball wants to do and how he wants to run,
you know, if he wants to get a little bit
of that Philadelphia sort of scataboo and Dart let's get
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physical and have kind of this guessing game of who's
going to have the ball. I think you could see that.
And Dayon has been exceptional. You know, he's kind of
that new breed linebacker. He's two hundred and thirty five
pounds and can flies, you know, probably sniffing a four high,
four to four kind of guy. So if you do
see Spy, just look for number zero. He'd be the
guy that'll that'll be doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, Well, certainly the game has changed over the years.
Those linebackers, man, they are nothing like they word back
in the day. No, not appreciate your time, my friend,
Thank you so much, and we'll see you this weekend.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
All right, you got it, looking forward to it.
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Speaker 5 (32:14):
We're joined as usual by the head coach of the
New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach obviously taken on
the Los Angeles Chargers undefeated team. The News earlier this week,
Jackson Dart is gonna make his first NFL start. What
are some of the things that have been impressive by
what you've looked at the way he's handled all of
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this this week.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yeah, we've just we've tried to make it a normal
week for him, Bob. I know it's it's his first
career start. Been around some young guys I've had their
first career start. All you do, all you can do
is is just take it day by day, get into
your routine, which you know he had a routine leading
up to this when he was the backup. He's put
a lot of hard work into it. You know, he's
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practiced the right way, he's prepared the right way, and
you know, all we're asking him to do is go
out there and do his job. And you know we
got to help him do that along with all the
other guys.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
I remember when we were in Buffalo getting ready for
the preseason opener and you came into our TV production meeting.
He said, you know, he's chomping at the bit. He
couldn't wait to like play for the first time. Obviously
he's super excited, but now that it's in a regular
season mode, is he is he just sort of managing
the exuberance and the fired up that he has because
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this is a regular season game.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
And it started all the way back, you know, when
we told him, and we've just we've had a process
relative to our preparation of getting ready, you know, whether
it's the third down tape, we're studying in the red zone,
early down stuff. You know, you meeting extra with his position,
coach or the coordinator leading up to this point so
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that he feels as comfortable as he can feel to
go out there and play.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Let's talk about the defense that you have to deal with,
because since Harbaugh has gotten there and with Jesse Minter,
this is one of the best scoring defenses in the
National Football League over the last year. They're really good
in the red zone, they're really good on third downs.
What makes this defense so efficient and so effective.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I think they're fundamentally sound. They play tough, and they
have some good players. But this is a tough unit
in terms of the defensive line, the style that they
play with, the toughness, the technique, Derwin James is all
over the field every game and he's a difference maker.
And really the run and the pass game, they don't
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give up a lot of big plays. And like you said,
they play good situational football, which you can play really
good situational football third down, make them punt and red zone,
make them kickfield goals. That usually leads to a good
scoring defense.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
When when you take a look at what they have,
especially up front, and they're they can be hard to
run on. But you guys, have you guys found a
little something last week and you know, before Tyrone Tracy
got hurt, it looked like the combination was very productive
in the game. What were some of the positives that
you took out of last week that you need to
see this team build upon against a really good front.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean it starts in run game, starts with
getting a hat for a hat and covering up their
defenders and then getting movement at the line of scrimmage,
and then the backs are in sync with the blocking
schemes of the front, the tight ends when to make
their cut, when to press the ball, and then ultimately
the backs got to run well, you know, the tackles
to be broke yards to be had, and you know,
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the perimeter guys got to do their part and block
their correct force players and it all works together.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Let's go to the other side of the ball where
they have been very efficient offensively, justin Herbert's playing lights out.
Obviously they lost Nage Harris, but let's start with Herbert
and what you've seen in his game in this system.
He's been a fantastic talent. He's a good player, but
it's it seems like everything is kind of falling into
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place for him as far as this offense is concerned.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Yeah, I would say that he's he's physically gifted, big, strong, accurate,
athletic and mace loose plays. He's got a lot of
confidence in his skill players. I'd say, particularly those three
receivers that he distributes the ball to, you know, seventy
percent of the time, and they're all a little bit different.
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You know, he's played for a while, he has experience,
and he's got a lot of talent. This guy's are
really good. Good quarterback coach.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
In the in the game last week against the Broncos. Now,
obviously you coach Josh Allen and I'm not saying that
Herbert is at that level yet. But the touchdown pass
that he threw to Keenan Allen late in that game,
there's not a lot of guys in the league that
could actually make that throw where he's under pressure scrambling
and then across his body throws a pinpoint pass. It's
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not like it was a four yard pass either. You
talk about that athleticism. Is that something that with your team,
It's like the play's never over with this guy because
if you're not paying attention, he can really beat you
from anywhere.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yeah, And it seems like that's there's something like that
every week with these guys qbs that can extend plays,
make them with their legs, scramble, make them with their arm.
He's got good vision down the field. The guys, a
guy like Keenan Allen knows exactly where he needs to
be there on the same page. And it's you know,
it's not just defending the first play. You have to
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defend the second and sometimes the third play, depending on
how long the play goes relative to the quarterback moving around.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Coach, we appreciate a couple minutes. Best of luck on Sunday.
I know it's going to be a fired up stadium
and we appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Thanks Bob, great stuff there from coaching Bob, and we
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The Giants announced this week that Jackson Dart is going
to be their starting quarterback against the Chargers on Sunday.
So I had a chance to talk to Giants veteran
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wide receiver Darius Slayton about Jackson Dart and that change.
We are also gonna hear from Matt Muddy Smith. Paul
Deatino interviews him, gives us a good preview of the Chargers,
and then Bob Papa, the Voice of the Giants, talks
to Brian Dable, the Giants head coach, about the Jackson
Dart move and everything else about the matchup on Sunday.
We're gonna lead things off with our player interview, as
you do every week. Here's my talk with Giants wide
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receiver Darius Slayton, joined by Giants veteran wide receiver Darius
Slayton right here in the Hackensack of Britney Health podcast video.
Keep getting Better, Darius, Let's go on, man, how are
you Nothing much?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just chilling?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, slow week, not a lot of news or anything
like that. When you guys got the news on Tuesday
that there was going to be a quarterback change, what
was kind of your gut visceral reaction when you heard yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I mean, obviously to us came as came as a surprise,
So you know, surprise was the first one reaction. I
feel like, you know, me personally hadn't. Probably a lot
of guys had, but you know, decision they made and
we're gonna roll with.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It absolutely, and I think, you know, I'm not surprised
by it. But the way Russell has handled it has
been you know, class and you know first class. And
you know, this is a guy that has come here
and really helped set the culture in the offseason, right
and everyone's rally behind him. How important was it for
him to handle the way he does. He's supporting Jackson,
he's the backup for this thing, trained to kind of
move and down the tracks the way it is.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think it's huge, you know, I think obviously somebody
who's had a success he had in a career, in
the career that he's had, you know, very easily. You know,
this could have been something that he could have, you know,
handled in a nasty fashion or in a in an
unclassy fashion. But you know, it just kind of shows
the person he is the way that he's handled it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Now, you were here and you mentioned this when you
talk to the media on the Monday Zoom call. Right,
you were here when they made this change from Eli
to Daniel. That was week three, this is week four.
What did you see from there and did you learn
anything that either you guys can do as wide receivers.
You could talk to Jackson about to try to make
this transition smooth so there isn't aren't any hitches in
the offense as you make switch from one quarterback to another.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I think you know, the best way you can
kind of try to try to mitigate that is to,
you know, make sure you're where you're supposed to be
exactly when you're supposed to be there, you know, and
be predictable, unpredictable to the defense, were predictable to Jackson.
You know, it's how I'd like to word that, but
you know, obviously you know also he's a he's got
more a little bit more in the run game, you know,
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as far as like quarterback design, runs things like that.
So you have to be aware of those types of things.
But other than that, you know, like I said, just
being on top of your assignments and being clear and
easy for him.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You mentioned the quarterback run game. In one area where
I think the offense as a whole struggle a little
bit this year has been the red zone, right, how
much can that added additional quarterback run factor help a
team be more successful in that red area?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, I think anytime you can add an element to
your offense, I think it makes it harder to defend,
especially down the red area, you know, and have to
worry about the quarterback pulling it or throwing it or
handing it to the running back. You know, it's a
lot for defence to try to stay on top of.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, and this is me talking. I don't want to
put words in your mouth, but you know, we do
our call and show and everything like that every day.
And the point I've tried to make is that it's
an eleven man offense and no one should rely on
a rookie quarterback, especially to come in and be some
type of savior. Right, And I'm sure you guys aren't
having that conversation specifically, but this has to be an
eleven man unit thing, right, Like Jackson's going to do
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is his part, but he needs help for everybody around
them in order to be successful.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
For sure. I mean, I think as much as everybody
makes of the quarterback, but just in the NFL, and
it is important, and certainly you know they have big impact.
You know, the first thing everybody runs to holler at
if a quarterback doesn't do well as well, they need
to get them some weapons. Well, if that's the case,
you know, the supporting cast is pretty important. And you know,
we feel like we have a pretty good supporting cast
here and obviously, you know, if we live up to
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our billion and that'll make Jackson's job easier.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, And obviously you talk about the weapons, your wide
receiver group, you talk about being where you are when
you're supposed to be. You haven't had a ton of
snaps to Jackson. He did a bit with the ones
in the spring, didn't do a lot during the summer,
but obviously Malik wasn't on the field in the spring,
So have you what kind of things have you done
this week to try to get on the same page
with him, just in terms of the timing physically on
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the field.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean, we know we have portions of practice
where you know, you have routes on air, which sometimes
that helps a lot like not having to obviously you
have the elephant element of the defense when you're really playing,
but sometimes just helps just for timing and spacing, just
to get a feel, you know, the velocity of his
ball and for him for us it's you know, it
has speed of each of us individually, how we come
out of breaks individually. Those type of things help you
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to get on the same page faster in that regard.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And that's the physical part of it. I think the
other part is getting on the same page mentally with
the quarterback. Right, this quarterback see plays differently. Russell might
see and read one play differently than Jackson. And how
do you guys use that now extra meeting time with
Jackson to try to make sure you're seeing things the
same way that he does. You react to maybe a
wrinkle in a defense the same way he does. So
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you're on the same page. From a mental.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Perspective, yeah, I think, you know, watching film is important
and conversations are important, picking his brain, him picking our brain.
She last night he called me, it was, you know,
not that late, but too late for me. I was,
I was, I was already sleep and I answered the phone.
I screened. I wasn't sleeping. I was going to bed
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and he was up. You know, I had his iPad
out and actually, first thing he said to me, he's like,
he's like, you going to bed. He's like, dang year old.
I was like, all right, let's not too much, but
what are you looking at? And uh, you know, he
had you know, one of the concepts we had up.
But I mean, I think conversations like that are important,
you know, help us get on the same page.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's funny. I love that when you talk about how
a quarterback and his strengths. You always wanted to some
extent customize the game plan for the quarterback, right, it
might be one different one quarterback than the other. Obviously,
I'm not going to ask you how they're customizing and
give away trade secrets, but how much can that change?
You know, what an offense looks like? When you're changing
the person that is behind center based on their strengths
and weaknesses.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, it can be depending on who it is.
You know, it could be dramatic in our case, not
that dramatic, you know, I think a little bit, you know,
because you try to do things that your quarterback is
comfortable with, they're familiar with. What did that be? You know,
somebody like Russo has been in the NFL for a
long time. There's things he's done other places that he's
familiar with that you try to implement a little bit.
In Jackson's case, you know, you're trying to from it,
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you know, stuff from He's just out of college, so
maybe he has a comp set or two here or
there that he likes, or a run scheme that he likes,
and you try to do those things, but also to
remain within the offense that you already have established.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What is it about Jackson the person and the player
you can hit both that gives you in the locker
room the confidence that you have in him that he
can come in and get the job done as a rookie,
which we talked about can be really tough.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's nothing scary than when
somebody doesn't believe in themselves. And I think that that
scenario that he thrives in. You know, he presents that
he believes in himself a lot. He has a lot
of self confidence, which gives people around you confidence. And
you know, I think that's something that it's maybe not
necessarily something you show, but it's something that you can feel.
You know, if you're around a person, you listen to
why they speak, how to go about their business, you
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can feel. And I think everybody feels that he has
as self confidence and swagger about him.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And I imagine understanding that there's going to be a
need for patients as he learns things, and you can
only learn things when you go through them on the field, right.
Have you seen him doing that already though, And I'm
not even talking about just this week, but seeing things
during the summer in the spring, where all right, well
he made the mistake, he are he's not making it again.
Have you seen him kind of learn and improve as
you've experienced this with him since.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
He's been here, Yeah, for sure. I mean I think
you know, he's kind of from his college agent he's
always kind of played a physical to where he's brand
of football. But you know, you know, I think in
the preseason, you know, he try to a guy over
something like that, and you know we were just like, hey, man,
like you know all your life, you know, you're playing
(08:06):
football back when you get to the NFL, like you're
playing quarterback now. So uh, it's a little different. You know,
you don't need to take those big shots. If you
got the first down, get down. But uh, you know,
I think I think he's done a good job making,
you know, slight adjustments as he learns along the way.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, recording on Thursday was rating this was the
perfect thing. They go out there and do like the
like full slipping slides slide that you gotta get down
there and go like ten yards at a time.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, today they've been a good get some shots up.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Absolutely all right, real quick on the opponent match up.
You book at the way the Chargers play defense, and
you know last week you guys saw a ton of
umbrella to safeties deep like they were not gonna let
you get behind them in coverage. I think that's what
we've seen from the Chargers for most of the season
as well. So how does that change for you as
a wide receiver when you have a defense that always
wants to try try to keep a cover over the
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top of the defense.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously it's receives. You know,
we want to make big plays down the field. We
want to we want to get shots up because you know,
who doesn't love the long bow. But at the same time,
you know, I think that that's a good good thing
for offense. You know, if they want to stay deep
like that, then you know, motor and Scad and Tracy
and other backs, you know, they'll have a field day.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think that at the end of the day, when
you're trying to win a football game, it doesn't really
matter who's who's the person that's you know, making the
big plays or going off. It just matters if we're
as an offense rolling and being efficient.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And I guess for you that's the impact of the
run game, right for the receiver, you know, if they're
going to have light boxes or early downs, if you
can run the ball, that changes the whole calculation of
the game for a wide receiver. Right, all right, final question.
When people talk about a team playing zone, I think
they feel it's like, oh, you know, when I was
playing street football as a kid, and everyone has an
area and that's what they're playing. But a lot of
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times the zone defense is basically like a match, right,
and then it just turns into man defense on the outside. Right,
Can you just explain to fans how different type of
zones really are different and it'll dictate how what plays
are effective against it and kind of how you operate
as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yes, so almost every zone nowadays has some form of
principles to it that are not just you drop over
here at five yards, you drop back here, ten, you
drop in between the hash and numbers at six, you know,
almost everything. There are certain defenses that do do that
that and they call it spot drop. You know, we're
just dropping to a spot.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Cowboys do a lot of that. Actually we just aways too, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But most other defenses that play zone they have some
type of match principles where if number two goes out
or number two goes vertical, that elicits a response from
the corner, from the safety, so on and so forth.
So you know, a lot of times, you know, you
might see a shell in a game and you know
you might be like watching it and be like, oh, man,
they're playing you know whatever, Cover four, like, why don't
they just do this? But you know, in a lot
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of cases, especially Cover four like basically plays out like
manna man against a lot of concepts. So you know,
those type of things are the type of things that
you know, as an offense obviously to try to combat.
But you know, at the same time, still like Cover
three has similar weaknesses even with the match principles as
it would just spot drop, and so does Cover too,
and so on and so forth. But you know a
lot of times, you know, people probably don't realize that nowadays,
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defenders have great awareness in space and so when they
drop into their zone or whatever, they're looking they're feeling, you know,
they're they're watching bodies and seeing people go by them.
So you know, those things you have to be mindful of.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
That's exactly type of detailed answer. I know we get
out of you slay good stuff, man, I appreciate it.
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by a play man is Matt Muney Smith. Paul Deatino
(12:04):
had a chance to talk with him, so bad.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I guess first thing I want to ask you about
the Chargers is that in looking at their offensive line
this week, and I don't know how banged up they'll
be in the next day or two, but it does
seem as though the right side of the line from
Bozeman over the right tackle looks like they're a bit
nicked up. How much of a factor do you think
that might be.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
In the game? I think huge, you know, with this
Giants defensive line. We saw it against Denver and Justin Herbert,
you know, it's the most pressured regular season game of
his career fifty four percent against Denver, and I think
you'd say that that Giants defensive front is every bit
as good is what Denver had to offer. And then
when you go back and look at the film, you
notice left side is stout, it's solid. You know, Joe
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Alton Zion played great and it really all came from
that right side. So if kaya Becton can't get out
of concussion protocol, if Trey Pipkin's going to continue to
work through that knee and that ankle, it's gonna be
a major issue. I think what you end up could see,
what you could end up seeing is a lot of
Tucker Fisk on that side, the blocking tight end, a
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lot of Scott Mattlock shaded that way. Amarian Hampton, even
though he's a rookie, has been pretty darn good in
pass pro. So I think what you'll end up seeing
is that right side just kind of accounting for the
fact that Jamari saw yeer and banged up Trey Pipkins,
you know, really really got run over quite a bit
by Denver.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Now, one guy in particular, and you mentioned the Denver game.
I know there were five sacks all out in that game,
but one guy he used to be on the right
was Joe Alt, the former Notre Dame pick and then
number one first rounder. Him and Johnson both first rounders.
Alt is now playing left tackle because Slater got hurt,
and I see he's only allowed one sack. I did
happen to get a look at that video, but it
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looks like he's done a really nice job despite flopping
to the other side.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I think he's in the conversation. Is you know
now that they got a Protector of the Year, he
very well could win that inaugural award. They ended up
moving him to the right side six or seven snapps
as well for run plays when Beckton was in there,
and man, that was something to watch. So not only
is he protecting Herbert's blind side and that one Saki allowed,
Benito just got a killer jump. I mean, he timed
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that thing up perfectly. Nobody would have had a chance.
But then you're asking the guy to flip back to
the right side to clean some guys out in the
run game. He's been y I'll tell you it's funny
because you guys have you know, it's not funny, it's
interesting you guys have Melik Neighbors. But that was the
debate out here, and when they took all everyone was
quite upset. They wanted to see Malik Neighbors and Justin
Herbert makes some magic together. And I think now that
we're a year removed, they're pretty darn happy that they
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got Joe Alt up front, because man, he has been invaluable,
I think is the word I would use.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, you know it's funny. I'm sure that your quarterback,
Justin Herbert is also very happy that he's got that
tackle because quite frankly, the top three wide receivers on
this Chargers roster not exactly a switch.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Geez yeah, I'll tell you. And that's kind of the
way I presented it to the fans that I get it.
Malik is incredible, right, But I said, you got Joe Walton,
Lad McConkey. Now flip that take Malik Neighbors and what
left tackle are you getting at pick thirty five. It's
it's not even close when you kind of measure it
like that, as it's not just one player it's a
draft as a whole, and obviously lad last year broke
(15:14):
every Chargers rookie record in the book. So it's that
was a really productive draft for Joe Hortiz and his staff.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
How much has the Niger Harris injury impacted Hampton? We
had talked a moment ago about Hampton doing a nice
job as being one of the you know, the high
picks this year, certainly a first rounder, but I'm not
so sure that they necessarily wanted to get him as
many snaps as they're getting him now that Harris is out.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. I think, you know, to
his credit, he was pressed into that, and you know,
because Naje went down and the only other back they
had they only have three backs up, was Hassan Haskins.
And you know, Hassan's more of a special team season
core four guy there. He'll do a little bit short yardage.
He's solid and pass pro, but he's not a guy
you're going to give ten fifteen care too. So I
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think we'll see this week with Kamani Bydell getting pulled up,
you know, someone they relied on quite a bit last year.
If he's you know, maybe taken a step. I think
his pass pro was a little leaky last year and
that's why he didn't make the initial fifty three, got
signed to the practice squad. But if that doesn't kind
of show that this this staff is really good about
giving guys on the roster and opportunity. It's like, hey,
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before we go out and sign someone or claim someone
off waivers, we're going to give you the chance to
fill that and give you that opportunity. So I think
that's what this is for Kamani. Can you sees it?
If he can, I think you're going to see them
go out and sign someone or make a trade for someone,
because they You're right, they do not want Amario Hampton
taking eighty five percent of the snaps at running back
for a full season.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now, what's interesting when I watch some of the video.
I went back and I looked at some of the
stuff from the first three games, and you know, one
of the things that you notice with the points, we
see twenty seven, then we see twenty and then we
see twenty three. And I think everybody always thinks of
Herbert and the explosiveness and the fact that, oh, you know,
they it could be a thirty point offense on any
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given Sunday, but it hasn't maybe been quite as explosive.
We're quite as consistent as some people would think. Why
first of all, is that assessment accurate? And if so, why, Yeah,
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You know, I think part of it is, you know,
the Chiefs defense is really good, and the Broncos defense
I think has a chance to maybe be the best
in the league just front to back how good they are.
So I think they've played two good defenses. But then
you look at the Raider game and it felt like
they left some out there. You know, a couple couple
players were left out there on the field. I think
it could be a thirty point offense. I think it
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just needs to find its rhythm. And by that I
mean I think that offensive line is kind of got it.
They're not quite on the same page yet. You know,
you had Makai Beckton miss almost all a training camp.
You've got Joe Walt moving from the right to the
left side. Trey Pipkins was your swing. So I just
feel like if they can get that front to cole As,
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the plays are there. It's just like it seems like
every every time it's there, something's breaking down up front,
whether that's the way they're blocking the backside on the
run and you can just see it wide open in
front of end. Then some backside defenders coming to blow
that thing up when it might have gone for an explosive.
I feel like they're closed, especially a Marion. I feel
like he is really close to busting one of those
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thirty forty yarders that's going to go to pay dirt.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It looks to me like they would predominantly like to
get the ball out of Herbert's hands quickly, at least
that's what it looks like. But then when they go
for the deeper routes, the line seems to be having
some trouble holding up, and then Herbert seems to hold
the ball a little too long. I graded four of
the ten sacks that the charges have given up on
(18:46):
Herbert holding the ball and kind of almost forcing the
sack to happen because he just didn't get rid of it.
What do you think they want to do, because we
all know that Harball is a guy who wants to
he won the ball, But I'm just not sure I
know the philosophy of what they're trying to get done.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, I think I don't know if I necessarily agree
with that in whole. I do think you're right. There
are some sacks that he's taken. The one that Joe
Walt gave up. I think he could have climbed that
pocket and moved to the left, but the right side
got so leaky. I'm guessing in his periphery he just
saw that and took that and ate it. Herbert's been
pretty good about that. I think there's some quarterbacks that
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don't want to hold onto it because they don't want
the sack, they don't want to get hit, they don't
want to wait that extra beat for it to develop.
And I think, because you know, I think you saw
it in that touchdown to Keenan, right, how many quarterbacks
would have taken that sack instead of being able to
extend the play to throw that touch I think Herbert's
just that kind of quarterback, right. He's he's committed to
seeing it through and if that means he takes a sack,
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or if that means even look, last year only threw
three interceptions. But I think he's willing to put the
ball in harm's way in trying to make a play,
And so I just think that's how he's been wired
in terms of explosives and trying to push the ball downfield. Man,
that's a tough one because I do think they're there,
but at the same time, I don't necessarily feel like
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Lad and Keenan and Q are really the three guys
that are running nine routes. And that's what you're waiting for,
you know, things to develop. I think that the big
one last week, I'll tell you, is the emergence of
the rookie of Ronde Gadston. Is that's something that's been missing. Yeah,
the Syracuse kid, obviously his pops you know, played down
there in Miami, but he really added something to this
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offense that was missing, just that seam route and sort
of the explosive seam route right fifteen twenty yards down
the field. I'm anxious to see how that that can
work in this game game two, after kind of getting
through that feel out process. I mean, he had I'll
tell he had two huge catches on that game winning drive,
those drive starters to get it going, and I think
that's something you might see develop a little more and
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that could lead to what you're talking about, getting rid
of that ball a little bit quicker and getting that
route to kind of flash a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I saw the tight end distally also listed on the
injury report. I thought, now again, I could be wrong
with this. I thought I saw him doing a lot
of blocking stuff earlier when I looked at the video.
What would it mean to them if he's unable.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
To go, Well, you didn't go last week, and so
that's where you got Tucker Fisk. Yeah, will Is Look,
Will got pressed into duty last year because Hayden Hurst
got hurt and then really gave him nothing. Last year's
tight end room was a real struggle, and I tipped
my cap to Will. He's a blocking tight end, you know,
and he's going to give you two catches a game,
maybe three k And last year he ends up getting
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most career catches, most career yards, most career He was
the number one yacht guy on the team. And they
kind of found a little sweet spot with these tight
end screens with Will. But you know Will, Will should
be blocking, you know, Gadsden should and Conklin should be
your receiving tight ends. Will and Fisks should be your
blocking tight ends. If Will doesn't go, just kind of
answer your question directly, Tucker fiscal slide into that spot.
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He's and he's been exceptional. I mean, heck, I almost
want to put a put a number sixty something on
him and let him play right guard. He's been so
good at block and just let that thing go.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
All right, Let's flop it to the other side and
talk about this defense for a minute, because in all
the key categories they are I think top not only
top ten, but like top eight, I mean fourth fewers
points allowed per game, I think seventeen a game. They're
doing this without having a full three games out of Mac,
out of Perryman. And you know, if there's one thing
(22:31):
I can say for Jackson Dart this week making his
first NFL start, thank goodness that he doesn't have to
face those two guys.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
In the lineup.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah, I'll tell you. The one thing I would say, though,
is just be aware of number three. Derwin is having
a defensive Player of the Year kind of start to
the season. He has been sensational. The loss of Mac
is huge, and I think depending on how that elbow
is trending, if he's going to be out a while,
I think you'll see them go get someone they need.
They need a guy that can win one on one
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up front, Tuley has stepped into that vacuum, I think,
and done a pretty darn good job. He's got sixteen thrushers.
Now it's not flashy because he doesn't have any sacks,
But we joked when he was a rookie that he
was the ultimate hockey assist guy. He probably got Joey
and Khalil and sex between them. He's just so good
at throwing bodies around and making the quarterback uncomfortable. So
forty five is the number to watch up front. And
(23:22):
I think you know, Mike Elston's their defensive line coach.
He's sensational. You lose poonifour poonifoor was so good for
this team last year. Yeah, and they just threw numbers
at it. They went out and signed may Kwan Jones
and Deshauan Hann and they drafted Jamari Caldwell. All three
of those guys have been great. Jamari Caldwell, the third rounder,
was considered a reach, and I think people forget that.
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You know, you're drafting guys for coaches, and it's not
about your draft board and how you have these players ranked.
It's how the coaches think the player fits into what
they do, and man Caldwell has been massive for this
team as a rookie. So I think the interior of
the line is a and you know, kind of based
if Andrew Thomas going to play a full game probably
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works out okay for the Chargers that you want to
attack that interior a little more than that edge. But
I think the interior the line is really what's kind
of led to some of the block destruction, moving quarterbacks
out of the pocket, making them uncomfortable, and that's probably
where I put my focus. Tier Tart has got as
good a get off as anybody in the game inside,
and he's he's really kind of been the straw that
stirs the drink. So they're making up for Khalil. It's
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not where you'd think it come from. But I give
Jesse Minner a lot of credit. He's really done a
heck of a job whatever hand he's been dealt.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
See should it raise a red flag to me that
you did not mention Bud Duprey, who's been in this
league for over a decade and had his better years
earlier in his career, But the fact that you didn't
mention him right there in that answer tells me he's
been quiet.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So I think the one thing about you know, it's
very similar to Baltimore, right where you don't necessarily have
these speed rushers. You know, like there's no Brian Burns
on this team. You know, you don't have that too
on hundred and fifty pounds guy with a ton of
bend that's gonna just come flying off the edge. It's
very similar to Baltimore where these guys are big, they
set the edge, they're really good against the run, and
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if they get a sack because you know, the back
end held up, that's it's almost back end to front.
Is kind of how this thing has been working. So
I think for them, that's what they've asked from Bud.
Can you set the edge and you be physical at
the point of attack, and if the quarterbacks getting flushed
your way because you know Tier or Tully is busting
up that middle, then make that that sack. And I
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just I think that's kind of but it's it's yeah,
you're right, you know, I think if Khalil goes down
and Bud drops in, we're talking about Bud with two
or three sacks, and that's just not what Bud is, right, now,
I think Bud's more of us set the edge, protect
the you know, just kind of keep it contained and
let the other guys make plays.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Dante Jackson been around this league for a while. He's
been on what three teams, This might even be his
fourth team. Never really in my mind, separated himself from
the pack. I just thought he was a guy. But
from what I understand these first three games, he's played
extremely well.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, Steve klint Scale is the secondary coach, and much
like last year it was Christian Fulton, right, it was
a guy that was sort of an afterthought and he
ends up playing here for a year and getting a
big contract. Yeah, in Kansas City, I think you could
see the same sort of thing with Dante. You know.
My big concern with Dante, and going back and watching
his film from last year, was just didn't really tackle,
you know, and corners in this defense that's almost their
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primary responsibility is you better be able to tackle. And
I'll tell you their second year rook their second year
player out of Maryland, fifth round of tar Heed. Still
he's become one of the best tackling owners in the league.
He is exceptional. I think Dante probably took note of
that in training camp, and I think because he's improved
at that part of his game so much, it seems
(26:50):
from what we saw last year. In the three games
that I've watched this year, it's just kind of led
to you, I think led to me at least saying, oh, yeah,
he can he can do this because you know, the
hand have always been there. I mean, he can get
the ball now. It was just a matter of can
you make plays, you know, not mistackles and let explosives
happen on your watch. And so I think he's been
really good about that.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Man, what do you suppose they're going to do with
Molik Neighbors. We'll assume that Neighbors will play. He seems
to get load management days off during the week of
practice all the time. So we'll assume he's going to play.
Based on what you've seen the first three weeks of
how the Charges have played the ace receiver on the
other team, how might you predict they would deal with Neighbors.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You'll see a bunch of different things. One it's you know,
Jesse Minner is always going to keep a lid on it.
They play more too high and they play more zone
than any other team in the league, and so everything's
going to stay in front of you. Tony Jefferson, the
old man they call him Monk, was out of football,
you know, scouting for the Ravens. I don't ever want
to see him off the field. I just you know,
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he was on the practice squad to start the season. Man,
he's so good and smart about making sure nothing it's
behind him. I think you could see some Saint juice.
Even though he did not have a good year in
Washington last year, he's been really good. He's kind of
their press man. I think you could see him try
to use that a little bit to see if they
can get physical with them on a couple snaps. But
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for the most part, I think it's it'll probably be
less about Malik and more about Dart. You know. It's
more about can we can we make that picture cloudy
for him? And can we make him think he's seeing
something that's not there. I think that's probably It's almost
like they're really good at baiting. They're very good at
at making quarterbacks think. Look they did it to Mahomes,
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they did it to Gino, who was coming off that
monster game, you know, against the Patriots, and ends up
throwing three interceptions. They really did a number on him.
So I think that's a little bit more of how
they'll try to control They look make sure no matter what,
that safety is always high enough that it cannot get
behind you. And on top of that, I think it's
just try to focus on the quarterback side of that.
That connection.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, it's interesting you talk maybe the disguising and some
of the baiting and stuff that might go on in
the back end of the defense, because a lot of
folks will say, if you've got a rookie quarterback, and
certainly one making his first start, best thing you could
do is just throw a ton of pressures at him.
But that's not the Charger's way. They're not a heavy
blitz team. So now that would be going against their
own grain if they were to try to take that philosophy.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, And I think also, you know, it's you know,
dark played, I'm out here, I'm you know, do a
ton of college football too. So we got to see
him a little bit at SC and ended up following
his career because he left when Lincoln came in. And
what you see and you know better than I do,
but you know, he's so thick down low, and he's
so strong and he is explosive, and I think Jesse
(29:43):
Minner does not like And that's the one thing he's
done really well with Patrick Mahomes. It's like, I'm not
letting these guys get out of there, and if I blitz,
I got a chance for them to get out of
there and get after with their legs. So I think
you'll probably see that continue. You're absolutely right, instead of
blitzing him and they do blitz, don't get me wrong.
They'll bring that extra guy. They'll bring two extra guys
from time to time. You just don't really know. What
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he does really well is is disguising the front. Is
he'll have six on the line of scrimmage and you
don't quite know where the four coming from. And he
did a lot of that to Gino and it really
affected him. It really affected Geno, And so I think
you'll probably see some of that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You would not anticipate any kind of spy usage, correct,
because Dark to this point has improven that he can
necessarily do a great amount of damage with his legs.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah. I think you know we've seen dayon now in
a couple of different games as the Spy had that
huge sack on Mahomes in week one, just Spy and
Patrick over and over, and I think last week he
spied Nicks quite a bit. But you know, Nick's put
that on film, so I think you could see a
little bit of it. If that's what what coach da
Ball wants to do and how he wants to run,
you know, if he wants to get a little bit
of that Philadelphia sort of scataboo and Dart let's get
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physical and have kind of this guessing game of who's
going to have the ball. I think you could see that.
And Dayon has been exceptional. You know, he's kind of
that new breed linebacker. He's two hundred and thirty five
pounds and can flies, you know, probably sniffing a four high,
four to four kind of guy. So if you do
see Spy, just look for number zero. He'd be the
guy that'll that'll be doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, Well, certainly the game has changed over the years.
Those linebackers, man, they are nothing like they word back
in the day. No, not appreciate your time, my friend,
Thank you so much, and we'll see you this weekend.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
All right, you got it, looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
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me for that interview. Now we're gonna turn to the
head coach of the NYG Brian Dable. He talks with
our voice of the Giants, Bob Papa.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
We're joined as usual by the head coach of the
New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach obviously taken on
the Los Angeles Chargers undefeated team. The News earlier this week,
Jackson Dart is gonna make his first NFL start. What
are some of the things that have been impressive by
what you've looked at the way he's handled all of
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this this week.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yeah, we've just we've tried to make it a normal
week for him, Bob. I know it's it's his first
career start. Been around some young guys I've had their
first career start. All you do, all you can do
is is just take it day by day, get into
your routine, which you know he had a routine leading
up to this when he was the backup. He's put
a lot of hard work into it. You know, he's
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practiced the right way, he's prepared the right way, and
you know, all we're asking him to do is go
out there and do his job. And you know we
got to help him do that along with all the
other guys.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
I remember when we were in Buffalo getting ready for
the preseason opener and you came into our TV production meeting.
He said, you know, he's chomping at the bit. He
couldn't wait to like play for the first time. Obviously
he's super excited, but now that it's in a regular
season mode, is he is he just sort of managing
the exuberance and the fired up that he has because
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this is a regular season game.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
And it started all the way back, you know, when
we told him, and we've just we've had a process
relative to our preparation of getting ready, you know, whether
it's the third down tape, we're studying in the red zone,
early down stuff. You know, you meeting extra with his position,
coach or the coordinator leading up to this point so
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that he feels as comfortable as he can feel to
go out there and play.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Let's talk about the defense that you have to deal with,
because since Harbaugh has gotten there and with Jesse Minter,
this is one of the best scoring defenses in the
National Football League over the last year. They're really good
in the red zone, they're really good on third downs.
What makes this defense so efficient and so effective.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I think they're fundamentally sound. They play tough, and they
have some good players. But this is a tough unit
in terms of the defensive line, the style that they
play with, the toughness, the technique, Derwin James is all
over the field every game and he's a difference maker.
And really the run and the pass game, they don't
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give up a lot of big plays. And like you said,
they play good situational football, which you can play really
good situational football third down, make them punt and red zone,
make them kickfield goals. That usually leads to a good
scoring defense.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
When when you take a look at what they have,
especially up front, and they're they can be hard to
run on. But you guys, have you guys found a
little something last week and you know, before Tyrone Tracy
got hurt, it looked like the combination was very productive
in the game. What were some of the positives that
you took out of last week that you need to
see this team build upon against a really good front.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean it starts in run game, starts with
getting a hat for a hat and covering up their
defenders and then getting movement at the line of scrimmage,
and then the backs are in sync with the blocking
schemes of the front, the tight ends when to make
their cut, when to press the ball, and then ultimately
the backs got to run well, you know, the tackles
to be broke yards to be had, and you know,
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the perimeter guys got to do their part and block
their correct force players and it all works together.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Let's go to the other side of the ball where
they have been very efficient offensively, justin Herbert's playing lights out.
Obviously they lost Nage Harris, but let's start with Herbert
and what you've seen in his game in this system.
He's been a fantastic talent. He's a good player, but
it's it seems like everything is kind of falling into
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place for him as far as this offense is concerned.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Yeah, I would say that he's he's physically gifted, big, strong, accurate,
athletic and mace loose plays. He's got a lot of
confidence in his skill players. I'd say, particularly those three
receivers that he distributes the ball to, you know, seventy
percent of the time, and they're all a little bit different.
(36:28):
You know, he's played for a while, he has experience,
and he's got a lot of talent. This guy's are
really good. Good quarterback coach.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
In the in the game last week against the Broncos. Now,
obviously you coach Josh Allen and I'm not saying that
Herbert is at that level yet. But the touchdown pass
that he threw to Keenan Allen late in that game,
there's not a lot of guys in the league that
could actually make that throw where he's under pressure scrambling
and then across his body throws a pinpoint pass. It's
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not like it was a four yard pass either. You
talk about that athleticism. Is that something that with your team,
It's like the play's never over with this guy because
if you're not paying attention, he can really beat you
from anywhere.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yeah, And it seems like that's there's something like that
every week with these guys qbs that can extend plays,
make them with their legs, scramble, make them with their arm.
He's got good vision down the field. The guys, a
guy like Keenan Allen knows exactly where he needs to
be there on the same page. And it's you know,
it's not just defending the first play. You have to
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defend the second and sometimes the third play, depending on
how long the play goes relative to the quarterback moving around.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Coach, we appreciate a couple minutes. Best of luck on Sunday.
I know it's going to be a fired up stadium
and we appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Thanks Bob, great stuff there from coaching Bob, and we
thank both of them. We thank Paul Detino, we thank
Matt money Smith, and of course we thank our player
into be this week, Darius Slayton for joining us on
this episode of the Giants Huddle Podcast. Thank you so
much for being with us. It was all brought to
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Do you keep getting better? We will see you next time.
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