July 14, 2025 • 19 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk is joined by the Giants edge rushers. They discuss what they are working on this offseason, what the room can bring to the field, and where they can help improve the run and pass defense.
:00 - Kayvon Thibodeaux
6:55 - Brian Burns
13:55 - Chauncey Golston
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Maybe the best group on this Giants roster, maybe the deepest.
It might even be the best position group in this
entire division. And that's the Giants Edge Rusher group. Now
not just pass rushers. They stop the run as well,
new editions, returning players, a lot of them young, other
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guys in their prime, some vets as well. It'll be
a lot of fun talking to the Edge group right
here on the Giants Little Podcast, and that we're joined
by Giants Ed Rusher Caveon Tibbit.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, what's going on, bro?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm good man, this is the new year. I feel great,
all right?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So I want to talk to about something specific. Last
year you were asked by I think two million I
counted times about comparing you and Brian Burns and how
you comment each other, right, And I think one of
the answers that you gave a couple times that I
want to dig on a little bit is that you
describe the differences in your games that he has made
a little bit more bendy and speed and you will
maybe more of a power guy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Right, did you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Always think of yourself as a power guy or is
that something that you think you've kind of moved into
more of you got into the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think I was. I'm always a speed guy. So
I think speed is you know, the start to both
of you know me, Brian Burns and even hav An
abdual Card now like she's a speed guy as well.
I think once you kind of break down how we
like to execute our moves, that's when a power or
a you know, Burns still use the speed. So you'll
see a lot of spins, You'll see a lot of
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quick jabs, You'll see a lot of you know, different
movements that rely heavily on speed. Right, the same for
a duel, right, a dual spinning, He's dipping and ripping,
he's ghosting, he's flashing, and those are all speed moves.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
For me.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm going to use my speed. Then I'm gonna go long, go,
and I'm gonna raise. I'm gonna do more hand to
hand combat than you know some of the more speed
guys will do.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Did you think about it the same way when you
were in college or is that something you've developed as
you've gone along.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So for me, it was all about developing my technique.
So in college I focused on the hand to hand combat.
When I first got in, it was all speed, it
was get off, and then you start to learn like, okay,
that's not the only thing, right. You can do more
if you're able to. So for me, I started really
working on my technique and working on my hand to
hand combat.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
But making the offensive tackle. I imagine, worry about the speed
is what considered the power.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Nothing else works without setting up the speed.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Because that gets them until you catch.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Them right exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Because if they worried about the speed, they can't anchor
do right exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
If you just got power, that's not enough, right, you
got to have a change up. And for me, speed
is the start and the power is to change up.
And then for other guys, you know, their change ups
are different.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
What was the process for you working on that hand
to hand combat stuff and the long arm and you know,
getting back inside at the starting outside.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Every day, I mean, even whether you know whether you're
on the field or off the field, Like I do
stuff in the room where like I'm literally hand to
hand combat with my brother and we're just kind of fighting.
We're going through things and the different moves and techniques
that I would be in in the game. I do
it at like a low tempo, low impact, So just
talk about like a two hand swipe or like a
long arm, like that long arm placement. I probably do
that literally one hundred times a day a day. So
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and it's just like making sure it's perfect because you know,
in the game you got one time to execute it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I think a lot of people don't realize too. If
you get run around the quarterback, it might look good
on tape, but but but it doesn't help the defense, right,
So talk about the advantage of being a pocket pusher
as much as being a guy that that's gonna threaten
the edge, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's a guy like Dexter Lawrence. I think, you know,
he's a perfect example. He's not gonna get to the
quarterback every time. But if a quarterback can't step into
his throat, you know, quarterbacks have techniques and mechanics, mechanics
as well. So for us putting the offensive linemen on
the quarterback's lap is just as important as actually tackling
or sacking the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Do you get as maybe as much satisfaction is a
little strong, but do you get a level of satisfaction?
Definitely when one of your teammates get the sack, but
they get the sack because you push the pocket and
the quarterback has nowhere to run.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You definitely get the satisfaction. Even if no one gets
to sack, but you know that it was an incomplete
pass or even sometime for me, it's really that one
on one battle, Like I don't even have to see
what happens at the end of the play, but I
get the satisfaction knowing. I know deck's probably a test
to this, but like, just get the satisfaction of just
destroying the guy in front of you. And when you
start to impose your will, you know, you start to
see how they break down.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So now next gen stats and stuff they put together
like pressure numbers and stuff like that, and quarterback gets
do you pay attention or care about those raw numbers
or is it just more of what your line coach
is telling you in the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So for me, it's I really only care about what
my coach tells me in the meeting room. In the film,
I think there's a there's just a big difference between
sports and numbers, you know when you watch certain maybe
like basketball, right, yeah, like a guy put up forty
in the numbers or this and that, and it makes sense,
but like there are a lot of things in a
football game that don't have statistics. Eleven men working together, yeah,
they don't have statistics. So it's like just how you said, like,
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if I put a guy on a quarterback's lap, that's
not a pressure because I didn't touch them, right, Like,
because I'm on the other side and I did it
actually get past the alignment, it doesn't register as a pressure.
So but when you watch it on tape, I'm impacting
the game, right, I'm you know, doing these things. So
to me, even setting the edge right when a run play,
when they're trying to you know, run, and I set
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the edge and then he cuts back and somebody else
makes the tackle. It's like it's not a stat but
on film, that's what you're supposed to do. And that's
why we get you know, paid the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
A r I want to ask you about I'm do Quarnter.
What has it been like having him in the room.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It seems like he is like a real, like serious
kind of edge to him with the way he approaches
Everything's right he is.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He is a little serious. You know, we're gonna we
gonna loosen him up a little bit. He is a
little tight right now. But I mean, I can understand
it when you come into a team like this with
guys already but you know, me, Burns, Decks, you got
guys that kind of have been in league for a while,
and then you're the number three pick. You gotta come
into the big city and people are expecting stuff. Obviously,
you know they're expecting it from all of us. But
you know, now it's his turn to take some of
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that heat. And I try to talk to him and
let him know, just man, go play ball. But he's
definitely gonna keep loosening up. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You have finally, have you seen what this defense might
be able to do in passing situations, second, along, third,
and long when all three you guys are on the
field at the same time and.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Listen passing situations, but even the run game, I mean
when you see the different things we have in store,
and how we're gonna be able to utilize everybody in
the energy and the focus and everything that we have,
you know on the line, it's gonna beautiful.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You feel like Shane's been able to expand the playbook
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk too much.
I'm getting excited, but yeah, you get me excited.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I appreciate it. You, I'll get you sciate that.
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Speaker 3 (06:52):
All right, now we're joined by Giants. Ed Rusher, Brian Burns. Brian,
what's up, bro, what's going on? I'm doing good man?
How are you doing good?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Doing good? All right?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So tell me about this edge. It's loaded, I mean,
what is it to say? Plenty?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I mean, but yeah, now we really we're really talented
in this room I'm planning on this year is having
waves and waves of rushers. Like not only is it
just me and KT, but now we have a duel.
We have Chancey, we have a guy that goes under
the radar a lot. His names Tom Fox. And these
are really guys that can really get out the quarterback.
So I'm really excited.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So can we cut you down to like seventy percent
of the snaps out? Like you don't have to play
ninety percent anymore?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Honestly, would that help you? Let me seriously, honestly.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
As much as I would not like to come out
of the game, it would, honestly, it would help, you know,
just to be able to be a bit fresher, you know,
and to keep my winning I could be even like
I just said, fresher or you know, have more energy
for the fourth quarter, you know, when it really matters.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So I think it really helped for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Do you feel that more in the fourth quarter at
the end of the game, or do you feel that
more when you're playing your eighth or ninth snap in
a row.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
When when is that hits you? When you feel like
you're playing a lot of plays.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So they're really different type of fatigues.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
That eighth and ninth is more temporary as far as
like your legs are fatigued.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
In that moment of breath maybe yeah, because yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
But the fourth quarter fatigue is more so the accumulation
of all the snaps you played throughout the first.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Three maybe not as much burst off something like your
body's actually the muscles are actually tired.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, I think the eighth and ninth player is more
of a mental thing than your actual body.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Okay, So there's something too what the Eagles have always done.
Then we're running guys out there for sixty seventy percent
of the snaps, and when they're rolling in the fourth quarter,
your offensive line is winded, they're still getting you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
There's something to that for sure. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
All right, tell me about U dual Carter. He's been
in your room a little bit. Everyone says he's so serious.
You guys can't keep him the smile? Are you trying?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He's cracked a couple of smiles. Recently he just had
to open up a little bit. But at first, yeah,
he was super serious. Other than that, he's a smart kid.
He's picking the playbook pretty well. He asked questions like
I can really see his IQ shine a little bit
while we're in in the classroom, in the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But what is it about?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Is like Q that jumps out at you.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
It's just it's more so the willingness to learn, you know.
He asked me questions. He asks close questions. He kind
of challenges either one of us as far as like
whatever the scheme is, so he kind of challenges you
to explain it and he picks up on it quick
like a lot of like me coming in as Ricky
and having to deal with the stuff that's on his
plate would have been difficult, and he's handling it well.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So how about him physically athletically?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Does he match everything you would think you would get
out of a third overall?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Pick what got game? What got skills?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Man?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
He got skills?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Uh. We have seen him flash a bit, you know,
in practice and whatnot. The true testament is when we
get the training, can't put the pads on, let's really
see what's up. But I have no doubt that he's
going to be what we expect.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
How important is for him to develop that power quotion,
And like I said, we haven't had a chance to
see that yet because we're not doing power rushers.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
There's no paths or anything like that. So we might
have it, just wait for it to explode.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think we saw when he was in college to
have that power to compliment the speed, So you have
those two weapons as counters to each other right when
you're going to get some of these offensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
It's very important and I'll definitely be a true testament
that just due to the fact that we were similar
coming out as far as like our speed, and I
wish I would have took heed to that power a
lot earlier in my career, So I'm definitely gonna try
to instill that and tell him about it. But yeah,
definitely they have that combo and that balance is very important.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
We don't talk about it because we keep the schemes
on the wraps here, but some of the stuff that
we've seen you guys do with the three of you
on the field together, UKT and Abdul Carter, it's kind
of fun.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting to say the least. Just
not gonna say anything too specific, but just be ready.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Would you like to move off of the edge in
some of those spots or do you like just being
on that edge spot of rusher with the edge, or
would you like the opportunity all right, let me get
one on one with a guard here, let me loop,
let me let me get the center on a te
twist or something like that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Uh yeah, And now I love those those opportunities. And
I like the fact that we have so much versatility
in our room that we're now can everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Can do it? You know?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So and you'll never know where it's coming from or
who's doing what. So that's very like important and it's
really gonna be to our advantage.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Have you won a game lined up as a three tech?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I have. Are you comfortable doing that? Do you like
doing that?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't want to be on the line.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I'd rather be a little bit behind, just to get
a little head start up, getting a little space.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But yeah, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Very good.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
What do you think this defense looks like? Now we
talked about the front already. You had javaon and paulse
It in the back end. You have Bobby still in
his group in linebacker. What does this defense look like
when all said and done, you guys are ready to
go first first weekend of September.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It's gonna be exciting. Like I said, I think we
have studs in every position, so to speak. We have
a great duo in the back end with our safety
young rising star in Nuban and established star in Holland.
Our corners are very man corners, very sticky, and we
got the field generals as far as Mike and Bobby
and our d line is where it's time to feast.
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And like I said before, like we got me a
duel KT and we have a decks, it's kind of
hard to beat. We also have another young Ricky Da
I'm excited to see once he gets out there. So
we got a lot of We got a lot of pieces. Man,
it's a good problem to have.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I would say, yeah, I think the deck's part of it, right,
I mean, just to have that guy that you have
to put four arms, four hands on in the middle,
like you have no choice you have to do otherwise. See,
he's gonna march your guard center into the quarterback's lap.
It almost does that allow you to scheme things up
to really control who's getting one on ones and who's
getting the advantage with your defense, knowing that teams have
to put two guys on decks.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It does.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And that's what I mean when I say like you
got to pick your poison in a sense because you
dex is a non negotiable four hands on him regardless.
Yes you can chip the edges, that's perfectly fine as well,
but somebody's gonna have a one on one.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And with the.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Talent that we have on this D line and in
this room, its just I feel I see us winning
multiple ways, you know what I'm saying, because you could
chip both sides, but nobody has a double.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Team on that three take so multiple ways.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Last guy you mentioned, Chauncey, I think he's really flowing
under the radar. He's been all over this place in
the spring where he's lining up and where he's making
plays for that matter. And he's he's a he's huge,
he's a big dude inside outside. How do you think
he can be utilizing this defense really get the most
out of him?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It goes to us being so versatile, Like you just said,
he play inside and outside, he play all across the line, honestly,
but he could play across the line, pass rush and
stop run blocking. It doesn't really matter. So with the
person that we have, we can do so many different things.
But he's definitely gonna be a key piece to this defense.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I promise you that burns good stuff. Man, Thank you,
appreciate it. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Man. One more person that did not before we turn
this thing, just because uh, he's actually gonna add He's
gonna be a big piece of this as well.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Roy.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
He's huge, huge. That's a huge arms too, as a
huge guy.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
We didn't talk about, but Roy established it. He's gonna
help us a lot, help us out a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I like it for sure, my man. Thank you, briand
up get in here. If you're lined up here, you
gotta go over the middle with at the score great.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
How do we make that happen?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I don't know, Bud.
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I'm just called you a defender, Chauncey golstand. So what
should I call you? Should I call you a defensive lineman?
Shall I quay an edge?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Player. What should I call it? Oh, well, I'm trying
to get more specific, Chauncey. Sometimes general is better, Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Okay, so we'll go general defender. I don't think you're
playing an offense, are you?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Okay? So so okay, so we'll go defender.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What has it been like trying to fit in and
then kind of find your role on this defense?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's been fun.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
It's been fun just seeing where like the abilities that
the coach is seen in me, like where I can
help this defense, and like what the abilities that people
that were already here already have. It was nice seeing that.
It's been nice in that and like those things are
starting to jail. So I'm really liking how this is
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turning out.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, I'll be honest with the end.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Look, in the spring there's no pads, so no, you
don't want to take too much out of what's happening
up front. You've been all over the place in these practices.
You had to pick the other day, you went to
bat the ball down, you ended up catching it. You
were in the backfield a bunch. I just feel like
you've been put in a position to make a lot
of plays in these spring practices.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah, I think the most is well, I think the
biggest thing is just making the most of the reps
that you're getting. And like I want to say, the
first the first part of the first week, I wasn't
that comfortable because like, sure, you know you're coming in
and like there's different speeds, Like there's guys that were
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here last year, so this year two of them and
this defense and then this is my first year. So
just knowing where like my plays are to be made
at and like being comfortable in that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I'm not tracking your location on every play. I
feel like you've been some three tech, right, and you've
been edge of those. Yeah, those have been the two
spots you've been mostly correct.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, so I play yeah three tech for uh yeah,
three technique on.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Out lineing up in and around the offensive tackle area
A right, Imagine there's some five tech in there too, right,
and stuff like that. What has it been like? So
are you taking are you with Dre and you're with Bowen?
Are you splitting time between the two rooms?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
How is that working?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
So I haven't spent that much time with Dre. More So,
the most that we've really talked about is like how
can he create a plan for how I like the rush.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay and uh, but most of my work is.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Done with with Charlie and like there's a help. There's
been a healthy balance in between the two though.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
What has it been like trying to work with these
other edge rushers and what have you kind of picked
up from a guy like Burns, a guy like Thibodeaux
stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Well, with Thibodeaux, I've learned a lot about the like
he's really into like the hands and being a tactician.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He talked to me for six minutes just about hand.
It was great. It was thought, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So yeah, we do a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
We've been getting a lot of work in with like
the hands and being conscious of where they're shooting their
hands so you know what moves is going to work
again too. So I've been liking that Again with Burns,
I'm not gonna lie I low key being in like
in awe of like he's a so he's a defensive end,
like obviously, like I played with Michael last year and
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there was like someone who's always been categorized as like
a defensive outside linebacker and seeing that person work and
like how he works in space and like the responsibilities
like that. It's notice seeing that, especially as a guy,
like we're the same age.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You think he's always on the space kid.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
That's that's nice to jumped.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Out to me when he got here last year for
the first time, because you always had my impression from
the outside, super athlete, super bendy speed.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Then they got here, I'm like, dude, he's big.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, so he was a lot bigger than I thought
he would be when he got here.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm like, he's got thirn to move like that at
that size. Crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Yeah, it's it's when you see a freak athlete you
must definitely know and his play speed, it's yeah, the
recognition he's most definitely a player.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
So now that you're hear and you're seeing the defense here,
I might use you. What do you think this is
going to look like for you? Do you have any
goals that you set after yourself, things that.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You want to achieve this year?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Not any goals that I want to like publicize. I'm
more so internal guy. So but I know that a
big thing in our room is being better than you
were last year. So, like Charlie's always talking about something
if I can, like, I don't really care what happens.
If I can get you, if I can get everyone
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in this room to be better than they were last year,
and I'll feel fulfilled as a coach and like you
can't like as a player. If you're better than you
were last year, you're improving and as you're getting old.
Do you know that's usually not what happens. People tend
to go the other way.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So, without putting a number on it or a metric
on it, what's one area that you want to see
your game take a jump in from last year to
this year.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Get off in pat level.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, that you're tall, guy, makes the pad level stone.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
So just that if I can improve those two areas,
and I can see my game getting better already, so.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That you're playing great, dude, appreciate it. Can't wait to
see it in summer. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Those guys are going to flat out get after the quarterback.
I can't wait to see how they're deployed when they're
all in the field at the same time, how they're
going to be used, and just what production we see
from which guys. And it really has the potential to
be one of the best pass rushing groups in the
National Football League.
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Maybe the best group on this Giants roster, maybe the deepest.
It might even be the best position group in this
entire division. And that's the Giants Edge Rusher group. Now
not just pass rushers. They stop the run as well,
new editions, returning players, a lot of them young, other
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guys in their prime, some vets as well. It'll be
a lot of fun talking to the Edge group right
here on the Giants Little Podcast, and that we're joined
by Giants Ed Rusher Caveon Tibbit.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, what's going on, bro?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm good man, this is the new year. I feel great,
all right?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So I want to talk to about something specific. Last
year you were asked by I think two million I
counted times about comparing you and Brian Burns and how
you comment each other, right, And I think one of
the answers that you gave a couple times that I
want to dig on a little bit is that you
describe the differences in your games that he has made
a little bit more bendy and speed and you will
maybe more of a power guy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Right, did you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Always think of yourself as a power guy or is
that something that you think you've kind of moved into
more of you got into the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think I was. I'm always a speed guy. So
I think speed is you know, the start to both
of you know me, Brian Burns and even hav An
abdual Card now like she's a speed guy as well.
I think once you kind of break down how we
like to execute our moves, that's when a power or
a you know, Burns still use the speed. So you'll
see a lot of spins, You'll see a lot of
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quick jabs, You'll see a lot of you know, different
movements that rely heavily on speed. Right, the same for
a duel, right, a dual spinning, He's dipping and ripping,
he's ghosting, he's flashing, and those are all speed moves.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
For me.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm going to use my speed. Then I'm gonna go long, go,
and I'm gonna raise. I'm gonna do more hand to
hand combat than you know some of the more speed
guys will do.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Did you think about it the same way when you
were in college or is that something you've developed as
you've gone along.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So for me, it was all about developing my technique.
So in college I focused on the hand to hand combat.
When I first got in, it was all speed, it
was get off, and then you start to learn like, okay,
that's not the only thing, right. You can do more
if you're able to. So for me, I started really
working on my technique and working on my hand to
hand combat.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
But making the offensive tackle. I imagine, worry about the speed
is what considered the power.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Nothing else works without setting up the speed.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Because that gets them until you catch.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Them right exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Because if they worried about the speed, they can't anchor
do right exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
If you just got power, that's not enough, right, you
got to have a change up. And for me, speed
is the start and the power is to change up.
And then for other guys, you know, their change ups
are different.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
What was the process for you working on that hand
to hand combat stuff and the long arm and you know,
getting back inside at the starting outside.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Every day, I mean, even whether you know whether you're
on the field or off the field, Like I do
stuff in the room where like I'm literally hand to
hand combat with my brother and we're just kind of fighting.
We're going through things and the different moves and techniques
that I would be in in the game. I do
it at like a low tempo, low impact, So just
talk about like a two hand swipe or like a
long arm, like that long arm placement. I probably do
that literally one hundred times a day a day. So
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and it's just like making sure it's perfect because you know,
in the game you got one time to execute it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I think a lot of people don't realize too. If
you get run around the quarterback, it might look good
on tape, but but but it doesn't help the defense, right,
So talk about the advantage of being a pocket pusher
as much as being a guy that that's gonna threaten
the edge, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's a guy like Dexter Lawrence. I think, you know,
he's a perfect example. He's not gonna get to the
quarterback every time. But if a quarterback can't step into
his throat, you know, quarterbacks have techniques and mechanics, mechanics
as well. So for us putting the offensive linemen on
the quarterback's lap is just as important as actually tackling
or sacking the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Do you get as maybe as much satisfaction is a
little strong, but do you get a level of satisfaction?
Definitely when one of your teammates get the sack, but
they get the sack because you push the pocket and
the quarterback has nowhere to run.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You definitely get the satisfaction. Even if no one gets
to sack, but you know that it was an incomplete
pass or even sometime for me, it's really that one
on one battle, Like I don't even have to see
what happens at the end of the play, but I
get the satisfaction knowing. I know deck's probably a test
to this, but like, just get the satisfaction of just
destroying the guy in front of you. And when you
start to impose your will, you know, you start to
see how they break down.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So now next gen stats and stuff they put together
like pressure numbers and stuff like that, and quarterback gets
do you pay attention or care about those raw numbers
or is it just more of what your line coach
is telling you in the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So for me, it's I really only care about what
my coach tells me in the meeting room. In the film,
I think there's a there's just a big difference between
sports and numbers, you know when you watch certain maybe
like basketball, right, yeah, like a guy put up forty
in the numbers or this and that, and it makes sense,
but like there are a lot of things in a
football game that don't have statistics. Eleven men working together, yeah,
they don't have statistics. So it's like just how you said, like,
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if I put a guy on a quarterback's lap, that's
not a pressure because I didn't touch them, right, Like,
because I'm on the other side and I did it
actually get past the alignment, it doesn't register as a pressure.
So but when you watch it on tape, I'm impacting
the game, right, I'm you know, doing these things. So
to me, even setting the edge right when a run play,
when they're trying to you know, run, and I set
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the edge and then he cuts back and somebody else
makes the tackle. It's like it's not a stat but
on film, that's what you're supposed to do. And that's
why we get you know, paid the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
A r I want to ask you about I'm do Quarnter.
What has it been like having him in the room.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It seems like he is like a real, like serious
kind of edge to him with the way he approaches
Everything's right he is.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He is a little serious. You know, we're gonna we
gonna loosen him up a little bit. He is a
little tight right now. But I mean, I can understand
it when you come into a team like this with
guys already but you know, me, Burns, Decks, you got
guys that kind of have been in league for a while,
and then you're the number three pick. You gotta come
into the big city and people are expecting stuff. Obviously,
you know they're expecting it from all of us. But
you know, now it's his turn to take some of
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that heat. And I try to talk to him and
let him know, just man, go play ball. But he's
definitely gonna keep loosening up. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You have finally, have you seen what this defense might
be able to do in passing situations, second, along, third,
and long when all three you guys are on the
field at the same time and.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Listen passing situations, but even the run game, I mean
when you see the different things we have in store,
and how we're gonna be able to utilize everybody in
the energy and the focus and everything that we have,
you know on the line, it's gonna beautiful.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You feel like Shane's been able to expand the playbook
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk too much.
I'm getting excited, but yeah, you get me excited.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I appreciate it. You, I'll get you sciate that.
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Speaker 3 (06:52):
All right, now we're joined by Giants. Ed Rusher, Brian Burns. Brian,
what's up, bro, what's going on? I'm doing good man?
How are you doing good?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Doing good? All right?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So tell me about this edge. It's loaded, I mean,
what is it to say? Plenty?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I mean, but yeah, now we really we're really talented
in this room I'm planning on this year is having
waves and waves of rushers. Like not only is it
just me and KT, but now we have a duel.
We have Chancey, we have a guy that goes under
the radar a lot. His names Tom Fox. And these
are really guys that can really get out the quarterback.
So I'm really excited.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So can we cut you down to like seventy percent
of the snaps out? Like you don't have to play
ninety percent anymore?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Honestly, would that help you? Let me seriously, honestly.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
As much as I would not like to come out
of the game, it would, honestly, it would help, you know,
just to be able to be a bit fresher, you know,
and to keep my winning I could be even like
I just said, fresher or you know, have more energy
for the fourth quarter, you know, when it really matters.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So I think it really helped for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Do you feel that more in the fourth quarter at
the end of the game, or do you feel that
more when you're playing your eighth or ninth snap in
a row.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
When when is that hits you? When you feel like
you're playing a lot of plays.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So they're really different type of fatigues.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
That eighth and ninth is more temporary as far as
like your legs are fatigued.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
In that moment of breath maybe yeah, because yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
But the fourth quarter fatigue is more so the accumulation
of all the snaps you played throughout the first.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Three maybe not as much burst off something like your
body's actually the muscles are actually tired.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, I think the eighth and ninth player is more
of a mental thing than your actual body.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Okay, So there's something too what the Eagles have always done.
Then we're running guys out there for sixty seventy percent
of the snaps, and when they're rolling in the fourth quarter,
your offensive line is winded, they're still getting you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
There's something to that for sure. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
All right, tell me about U dual Carter. He's been
in your room a little bit. Everyone says he's so serious.
You guys can't keep him the smile? Are you trying?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He's cracked a couple of smiles. Recently he just had
to open up a little bit. But at first, yeah,
he was super serious. Other than that, he's a smart kid.
He's picking the playbook pretty well. He asked questions like
I can really see his IQ shine a little bit
while we're in in the classroom, in the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But what is it about?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Is like Q that jumps out at you.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
It's just it's more so the willingness to learn, you know.
He asked me questions. He asks close questions. He kind
of challenges either one of us as far as like
whatever the scheme is, so he kind of challenges you
to explain it and he picks up on it quick
like a lot of like me coming in as Ricky
and having to deal with the stuff that's on his
plate would have been difficult, and he's handling it well.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So how about him physically athletically?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Does he match everything you would think you would get
out of a third overall?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Pick what got game? What got skills?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Man?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
He got skills?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Uh. We have seen him flash a bit, you know,
in practice and whatnot. The true testament is when we
get the training, can't put the pads on, let's really
see what's up. But I have no doubt that he's
going to be what we expect.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
How important is for him to develop that power quotion,
And like I said, we haven't had a chance to
see that yet because we're not doing power rushers.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
There's no paths or anything like that. So we might
have it, just wait for it to explode.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think we saw when he was in college to
have that power to compliment the speed, So you have
those two weapons as counters to each other right when
you're going to get some of these offensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
It's very important and I'll definitely be a true testament
that just due to the fact that we were similar
coming out as far as like our speed, and I
wish I would have took heed to that power a
lot earlier in my career, So I'm definitely gonna try
to instill that and tell him about it. But yeah,
definitely they have that combo and that balance is very important.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
We don't talk about it because we keep the schemes
on the wraps here, but some of the stuff that
we've seen you guys do with the three of you
on the field together, UKT and Abdul Carter, it's kind
of fun.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting to say the least. Just
not gonna say anything too specific, but just be ready.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Would you like to move off of the edge in
some of those spots or do you like just being
on that edge spot of rusher with the edge, or
would you like the opportunity all right, let me get
one on one with a guard here, let me loop,
let me let me get the center on a te
twist or something like that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Uh yeah, And now I love those those opportunities. And
I like the fact that we have so much versatility
in our room that we're now can everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Can do it? You know?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So and you'll never know where it's coming from or
who's doing what. So that's very like important and it's
really gonna be to our advantage.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Have you won a game lined up as a three tech?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I have. Are you comfortable doing that? Do you like
doing that?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't want to be on the line.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I'd rather be a little bit behind, just to get
a little head start up, getting a little space.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But yeah, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Very good.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
What do you think this defense looks like? Now we
talked about the front already. You had javaon and paulse
It in the back end. You have Bobby still in
his group in linebacker. What does this defense look like
when all said and done, you guys are ready to
go first first weekend of September.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It's gonna be exciting. Like I said, I think we
have studs in every position, so to speak. We have
a great duo in the back end with our safety
young rising star in Nuban and established star in Holland.
Our corners are very man corners, very sticky, and we
got the field generals as far as Mike and Bobby
and our d line is where it's time to feast.
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And like I said before, like we got me a
duel KT and we have a decks, it's kind of
hard to beat. We also have another young Ricky Da
I'm excited to see once he gets out there. So
we got a lot of We got a lot of pieces. Man,
it's a good problem to have.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I would say, yeah, I think the deck's part of it, right,
I mean, just to have that guy that you have
to put four arms, four hands on in the middle,
like you have no choice you have to do otherwise. See,
he's gonna march your guard center into the quarterback's lap.
It almost does that allow you to scheme things up
to really control who's getting one on ones and who's
getting the advantage with your defense, knowing that teams have
to put two guys on decks.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It does.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And that's what I mean when I say like you
got to pick your poison in a sense because you
dex is a non negotiable four hands on him regardless.
Yes you can chip the edges, that's perfectly fine as well,
but somebody's gonna have a one on one.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And with the.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Talent that we have on this D line and in
this room, its just I feel I see us winning
multiple ways, you know what I'm saying, because you could
chip both sides, but nobody has a double.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Team on that three take so multiple ways.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Last guy you mentioned, Chauncey, I think he's really flowing
under the radar. He's been all over this place in
the spring where he's lining up and where he's making
plays for that matter. And he's he's a he's huge,
he's a big dude inside outside. How do you think
he can be utilizing this defense really get the most
out of him?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It goes to us being so versatile, Like you just said,
he play inside and outside, he play all across the line, honestly,
but he could play across the line, pass rush and
stop run blocking. It doesn't really matter. So with the
person that we have, we can do so many different things.
But he's definitely gonna be a key piece to this defense.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I promise you that burns good stuff. Man, Thank you,
appreciate it. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Man. One more person that did not before we turn
this thing, just because uh, he's actually gonna add He's
gonna be a big piece of this as well.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Roy.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
He's huge, huge. That's a huge arms too, as a
huge guy.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
We didn't talk about, but Roy established it. He's gonna
help us a lot, help us out a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I like it for sure, my man. Thank you, briand
up get in here. If you're lined up here, you
gotta go over the middle with at the score great.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
How do we make that happen?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I don't know, Bud.
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I'm just called you a defender, Chauncey golstand. So what
should I call you? Should I call you a defensive lineman?
Shall I quay an edge?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Player. What should I call it? Oh, well, I'm trying
to get more specific, Chauncey. Sometimes general is better, Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Okay, so we'll go general defender. I don't think you're
playing an offense, are you?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Okay? So so okay, so we'll go defender.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What has it been like trying to fit in and
then kind of find your role on this defense?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's been fun.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
It's been fun just seeing where like the abilities that
the coach is seen in me, like where I can
help this defense, and like what the abilities that people
that were already here already have. It was nice seeing that.
It's been nice in that and like those things are
starting to jail. So I'm really liking how this is
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turning out.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, I'll be honest with the end.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Look, in the spring there's no pads, so no, you
don't want to take too much out of what's happening
up front. You've been all over the place in these practices.
You had to pick the other day, you went to
bat the ball down, you ended up catching it. You
were in the backfield a bunch. I just feel like
you've been put in a position to make a lot
of plays in these spring practices.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah, I think the most is well, I think the
biggest thing is just making the most of the reps
that you're getting. And like I want to say, the
first the first part of the first week, I wasn't
that comfortable because like, sure, you know you're coming in
and like there's different speeds, Like there's guys that were
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here last year, so this year two of them and
this defense and then this is my first year. So
just knowing where like my plays are to be made
at and like being comfortable in that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I'm not tracking your location on every play. I
feel like you've been some three tech, right, and you've
been edge of those. Yeah, those have been the two
spots you've been mostly correct.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, so I play yeah three tech for uh yeah,
three technique on.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Out lineing up in and around the offensive tackle area
A right, Imagine there's some five tech in there too, right,
and stuff like that. What has it been like? So
are you taking are you with Dre and you're with Bowen?
Are you splitting time between the two rooms?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
How is that working?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
So I haven't spent that much time with Dre. More So,
the most that we've really talked about is like how
can he create a plan for how I like the rush.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay and uh, but most of my work is.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Done with with Charlie and like there's a help. There's
been a healthy balance in between the two though.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
What has it been like trying to work with these
other edge rushers and what have you kind of picked
up from a guy like Burns, a guy like Thibodeaux
stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Well, with Thibodeaux, I've learned a lot about the like
he's really into like the hands and being a tactician.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He talked to me for six minutes just about hand.
It was great. It was thought, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So yeah, we do a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
We've been getting a lot of work in with like
the hands and being conscious of where they're shooting their
hands so you know what moves is going to work
again too. So I've been liking that Again with Burns,
I'm not gonna lie I low key being in like
in awe of like he's a so he's a defensive end,
like obviously, like I played with Michael last year and
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there was like someone who's always been categorized as like
a defensive outside linebacker and seeing that person work and
like how he works in space and like the responsibilities
like that. It's notice seeing that, especially as a guy,
like we're the same age.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You think he's always on the space kid.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
That's that's nice to jumped.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Out to me when he got here last year for
the first time, because you always had my impression from
the outside, super athlete, super bendy speed.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Then they got here, I'm like, dude, he's big.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, so he was a lot bigger than I thought
he would be when he got here.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm like, he's got thirn to move like that at
that size. Crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Yeah, it's it's when you see a freak athlete you
must definitely know and his play speed, it's yeah, the
recognition he's most definitely a player.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
So now that you're hear and you're seeing the defense here,
I might use you. What do you think this is
going to look like for you? Do you have any
goals that you set after yourself, things that.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You want to achieve this year?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Not any goals that I want to like publicize. I'm
more so internal guy. So but I know that a
big thing in our room is being better than you
were last year. So, like Charlie's always talking about something
if I can, like, I don't really care what happens.
If I can get you, if I can get everyone
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in this room to be better than they were last year,
and I'll feel fulfilled as a coach and like you
can't like as a player. If you're better than you
were last year, you're improving and as you're getting old.
Do you know that's usually not what happens. People tend
to go the other way.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So, without putting a number on it or a metric
on it, what's one area that you want to see
your game take a jump in from last year to
this year.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Get off in pat level.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, that you're tall, guy, makes the pad level stone.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
So just that if I can improve those two areas,
and I can see my game getting better already, so.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That you're playing great, dude, appreciate it. Can't wait to
see it in summer. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Those guys are going to flat out get after the quarterback.
I can't wait to see how they're deployed when they're
all in the field at the same time, how they're
going to be used, and just what production we see
from which guys. And it really has the potential to
be one of the best pass rushing groups in the
National Football League.
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