July 25, 2025 • 20 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk is joined by former Giants offensive lineman, Justin Pugh. He discusses retiring from the NFL as a New York Giant, his thoughts on the current roster, and what his plans for post-football life are.
:00 - Justin’s memorable Giants moments
5:35 - Lessons from football
13:18 - Life after football
14:45 - Giants current roster
18:37 - League trends
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's roll.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought
to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.
Joining me in the Hack and Sack Marine Health Podcast
that You'll keep getting better is a man that just
retired from the National Football League as a member of
the Giants. Justin you, how are you? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, when they give you the Legends Community, let's
get our let's get our mic situation figured it out.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He's it pro.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
When they give you the Legends Community polo, you know
it's time to go. That's when you know it's time
to go. Have you signed it? And they're like, all right,
here's your polo? Today was my day.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So, I mean, I'm not surprised by this because you
were kind of a shrunken version of Justin Peugh when
you showed up here for your last year with the Giants.
But you kind of took the same path as most
offensive lineman where you retire and then like eighty pounds
just melts off of you.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I mean it kind of was progressing towards the
end of my career. Even when I was in Arizona,
we were running an uptempo style offense, so I didn't
need to be three hundred and fifteen pounds. But it
is the one position in all all of professional sports
where you actually have to be like big and almost
out of shape to be good at your job. There's
no three hundred and fifty. Rarely do you see three
hundred fifteen jack guys. Even the guys you think are
in amazing shape and are some of the best left tackles,
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they still could probably benefit from losing a.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Couple paus maybe, like Tyrone Smith is the one example. Yeah,
yes they had no body fat, but everyone else yes, yes, yeah,
and he's built in a lab. And even you know,
I think of your best left tackle, he probably could.
We either get really really.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Big, is what I should say, or we get really
really small. I don't want to pick on left tackles,
all right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So you said today during your retirement, Prescommens, I want
to go here first, that you didn't pick offensive line.
Offensive line kind of picked you. Yeah, it just turned
out to be the position that was right for you.
You start at as a defensive lineman. You did to
make it a switch. Just talk about that and why
you think in the end that was the right position
for you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think any kid really is
like wants to be an offensive lineman. Right. It's one
of those positions where it's like I didn't grow up,
you know, mimicking past setting Aaron Donald to try to
win a game, and that was never something you always
get only on your own on TV when you have
a holding penalty, and so all for all those reasons.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You've had that big William Rofe poster on your wall.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now, Yeah, no I did not. But what I did
find out was like, no one has a room like
the offensive line room. And that's something the community and
bringing the guys together. It's something that I always cherished
and it's something that I try to bring rack and
is still on this team. When I came back two
years ago, it was like a mandatory offensive line dinners.
They're still doing them, which is great, right, And those
are the types of things that I think build culture.
(02:27):
They build the room, and the best teams I've been
on the offensive line has been a very big part
of that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Is this impossible to build that if you're just doing
what's required and what's frankly allowed in the facility, right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, exactly. I mean I think when you look at
OTA's now and they're a little bit different, guys are
scattered in the off seasons, Like I lived here when
I was playing for the Giants, and I really was
in the community, I was around. I would challenge more
guys to continue to train together, be around another, bring
their families together, get dinners together. Like I always said,
if you can't tell me like the names of the
kids you play with, or like they're the school they
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went to, like high school, like where they're from, Like
how are you going to do a douce block with them?
How are you going to pass protect with them? Like
how are you going to communicate when you guys aren't
even speaking the same language from the jump?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I want to get to some football in a little bit.
But looking back at your career at the Giants, is
there a game or moment, a play, anything that that
really kind of sticks out in your head is something
that you'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, I think my first ever game Dallas Cowboys Stadium.
Now we lost the game, but it was I'm out
there against at right tackle and DeMarcus Ware lines up
against me for my first snap in the NFL, and
I'm just saying, yeah, we're here, We're here. And then
obviously the playoff game when we go to Green Bay,
we you know, didn't come out of victorious, but going
to the playoffs, getting experienced that for the first time
and then again later in my career, well, it was
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another major one. I would say, probably one of the
ones that I hang my hat on. It kind of
defines me as a player. Is my last game of
the New York Giants Stint one. We go to play
the Denver Broncos. I was playing left guard that whole season,
getting ready to get a contract extension. Me and Jerry
Reese are deep in talks to get this contact contact
contract done. And we go in a Sunday night football
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and we're going against Von Miller, who plays over the
right tackle. We had some interest at the right tackle spot.
They said, hey, Justin, we need you to play right
tackle this week. And I'm like, guys, like, I'm a
left guard, Like that's where anyone's gonna pay me going
for it. I'm not a right tackle and we're at
this point. I think we're only like we have no
wins at this point, or maybe one win. It's very few.
And I go out there and play right tackle and
have a great game against von Miller. They give me
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the game ball. When's the last time you saw an
offensive line get the game ball on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm walking off the field. I kind of had the
ball in the air and my wife got it painted
and I have it in our room. But I always
look back to that, not of like I had a
great game. It was like the feeling I felt going
into the locker room after it was just a one win.
It was one win the season that was dismal. They
end up drafting Teguon Barkley the next year to show
you how bad the year was. But like every guy
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came up and hugged me from the defense to the
offensive side of the ball, like, hey, you took one
for the team, and you like you you put the
team first, and that's something that I'll always take that
mentality and that kind of resonated with me that like, hey,
you do right by the team, good things will happen
in the long run.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I don't want to bring up a part of this
is a bad memory. Does that twenty sixteen playoff game
still stick in your crawl a little bit?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah? I mean you go into a game like that,
there was a Hail Mary right before halftime. I felt
like there was a lot of things that were going
in our favor. Obviously a lot more outside of a
lot of outside noise during that game, but going against
Aaron Rodgers in lambeau Field, like, that's what you draw
up when you're like, you're in lambeau to win a
playoff game, and I thought there was no doubt we
were winning the Super Bowl. I was just like, if
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you get Eli Manning into the playoffs, you win super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And let me tell you he was dealing that thy No,
that was not Eli's fault. He played a hell of
a game.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's playoff football. Aaron Rodgers is
one of the best ever played this game as well, so.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And losing Dominque Rodgers Camarti on defense, Yes, it was
just rough that yep, yep, yeah, I know. And then
you know the first few years in the Giants that
you mentioned in your pres comments some rough years. Yeah,
what was that like for you as a player, how
much did you deal with losing growing up, coming through
high school and college and was that like a system
shocked for you trying to kind of figure out how
(06:02):
to do that while not having team success on this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I had always been part of rebuilds. Right in my
high school, we weren't very good. Like the last year
we end like we actually never made the playoffs in
high school. But like towards towards the end of my
career or in high school, we're like right on the
costs and they go to the state championship right their
following we set the foundation. Syracuse was the worst team
in college football when I got there. We were Big
East champs when I left, and I brought that same mentality.
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I fully was committed to doing whatever it took to
see the Giants all the way through from you know
us starting out they were they were Super Bowl champions,
but we had fallen we had fallen off, and we
were owing six. And I remember justin tucking in front
of the team and just talking about still doing the
little things right, still being consistent. And I've put that
tool into my toolbox for my whole career. I'm gonna
be that guy you can depend on whether we're owing
six or we're six and oh. And I've been on
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O sixteens, and I've been on six and oh teams,
and I've been the same guy no matter what. You
find out the character of the men in the room
when things aren't going the right way, and I always
prided myself we're owing six, you come in. I'm still
doing the same work on Tuesday. On the off days,
I'm still doing the offensive line dinner. It's not like
things just become less important because you're not winning, and
that's what gets you through. Unfortunately, in this business you
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don't always have the opportunity to see it through. But
it's part of the reason why I came back to
help continually set that foundation. I was talking to Richie
Seibert today, super Bowl winning offensive lineman for the Giants,
and I'm still carrying the traditions that I learned from
those guys from the Christnee of you gotta love the
guy you play next to. You got to have that
connectivity all year long, and that's what builds great teams.
And I'll always battle for that for the Giants and
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for any team. Huddle up get in here. If you're
lined up here, you gotta go over the middle with
at the score right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
How do we make that happen? I don't know, but
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Bank of Eli Manning. You mentioned this as a business.
I know you really enjoyed your time in Arizona, but
do you look back and say, I wish we could
have figured out a way to stay here and be
a giant your whole career.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, that was the goal. I never wanted to leave.
I saw David Dial do it, I saw Chrisney do it,
and I wanted to be mentioned with those guys playing
for eleven years with the same organization. The business comes
into it was a great thing I needed. That I
needed to go to Arizona was me and my wife.
I said it in my conference today. We left his kids.
We came back as parents, we came back as adults.
We had to do with things that we're flying the coop.
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I've never lived outside of the Northeast of my entire life.
It was sad at first. I had resentment towards the
Giants at the time and the GM at the time,
but I realized he had a job to do. He
had a family to take care of and I now
love it. And Joe Shane we we had to negotiat
I remember him saying a little joke about, like, this
is the most negotiating I've had to do with a
practice squad offensive line because I was practice squad when
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I came back to kind of like prove my worth.
And I was like, that's because I'm not a practice
squad olignement. Joe, like, I've been through this before. I
know the business, Like I get where we're going, and
it's something that I enjoyed. I think they're like, man,
you're sick and twisted that you have enjoyed and negotiating
a practice squad deal, But it's the truth. I really did.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So how much did that experience leaving the Giants going
in Arizona? You mentioned the end of the year you
were negotiating before the season was season over motivated you
to get into kind of what you're doing now talking
about the business of sports advising players. You do a
lot of contract evaluations on your Twitter feed stuff like that.
How did those do things kind of you know, one
lead to the other.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I was a finance major in school and I told
you we were the worst recruiting class that Syracuse when
I got there. So I didn't think the NFL was
ever in the cards, right. It was always finance and
I was always going to go work for my uncle
who's in the wealth management space, and through my time playing,
I would just I was. I didn't realize I was
the guinea pig to the solution of a problem I
knew existed and didn't know how to solve. Now there's
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these crazy stats flying out there of NFL players having
financial stress. I don't know what's true what's not, So
I'm not going to mention numbers. I just no guys
struggle post career. And it's not just from cash flow
and not having the money to pay their bills. It's
the purpose of like what do I wake up at
thirty five excited to do every day? We don't have
I put this in quotes, We don't think we have
if this skill set, the transit's in a business, and
(09:50):
I want to show guys that we have everything. You
have all the tools in your toolbox, are ready to
be successful. And there are some tweaks and there's some
things I pulled from guys like Tuck from Eli from
zach Thiassi, who is one of my biggest role models
when I was on this team. From Larry Fitzgerald from
Kelvin Beach. I'm like guys that I played with in
Arizona that showed me how to work off the field.
And that was part of the reason I came back,
because being a New York Giant gives you social equity
(10:15):
that isn't putting into put in a contract. It's put
when you walk into a room and you shake someone's hand,
they tell you that they're the CEO of a company
and they're a New York Giants fan. I remember when
you got drafted, and that's something that I wish I
could tell younger players now, is like, you don't realize
the benefit you have of being in the greatest city
in the world, playing for the greatest franchise in that city.
And it's the reason why I came back. It's the
(10:36):
reason I'm going to be around. But it's it's something
that's near and dear to my heart. So yeah, we
started working with more athletes to try to work through that.
I'm partnering up with the NFL to do programs to
do just that and It's something I'll always do. My
mom was a school teacher, my uncle was in finance,
so maybe both of those folks rubbed off on me.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And then the content part of your post career. You
did some serious last year. You have your own YouTube channel,
the do some stuff for the Giants or she could
tease that if you want as well, just how did
you kind of get into that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So I'll be working with the Giants this year doing
some lifestyle content. So I'm super excited about that, building
off of what I did last year with my Thursday
Night Football series where I went to every game, and
I realized that if you're not playing, you have to
still stay relevant somehow. How do you still hang around
the hoop and media is the best way to do that.
I didn't know what my niche in this was going
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to be, but I've always loved the fans. I've always
loved engaging with the fans. What better way to do
that than to go sit in the stands of them.
So I was a professional football player for eleven years
and then I was a professional fan. Last year I
went and cheered on the home team. So don't get
mad at me, Giants fans I wanted to see what
it was like to be a you know, San Francisco
forty nine Ers fan for the day, and it was
we have some amazing fans. We have some amazing people
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that support these organizations, and that's really the life. Bless
why we're all here. If there weren't fans, there wouldn't
be anything to cheer on. There'd be no reason for
me to have a contract dispute because no one will
be paying the bills to begin with. So I really
do appreciate the fan. I'm excited to go shine a
light on all the great New York Giants fans out there,
So stay tuned for that one. It is coming soon.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
What did you think? What have you learned about football
that maybe you didn't know while you were playing then
now that you have more of a twenty to thirty
thousand foot view, even seeing the business side from a
less biased perspective, is you're not the one in it
right and see it from a fan perspective? What have
you learned about the game that maybe didn't quite click
for you when you were player.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That people love to put everything aside and go support
their team for those four hours. I don't care what
drama's going on, I don't care. Like, and you walk
into a stadium, you have everyone from every walk of life.
If we want to solve world issues, just have them
all become the fans of the same team, right, have
them all become a New York at least, Like if
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we're angry, we're angry about like one common thing. And
that's something that I really learned to cherish to kind
of embody putting myself in those shoes, like, hey guys,
I'm trying to like escape for these four hours. I
have something going on at home. I don't want to worry.
I'm dealing with drama at work or whatever the case
may be. But when I come here, I'm cheering on
the New York Giants and everything goes by the wayside.
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And that was something like the Cleveland Brown's probably were
my biggest shining example of this. I went to the
Browns Steelers Thursday night game, snow game. Jamis Winston was
the quarterback for that game, he remember, and the fans
were like they didn't care. The Browns tod two or
three wins and the season was a disaster. Like they
came together, they were hugging each other in the snow.
And if that isn't a shining example how great this
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game is, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So I feel like, given the questions you got when
you were here, I need to ask this to you
one more time since we're in the building. Do you
think your thirty three and troms might have a negative
impact on your post playing career.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think it's even well if you're gonna do selfie.
If you're doing selfie, but it may impact being able
to put your arms around everybody and bring them in
and bring them in for But I think this is
the one profession where I'm going to be all right
on that. And I always joke with my wife when
I first met her, I said, how long are your arms?
I need to know how long your arms are, so
we'll say my daughter. My daughter's got a good reach
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right now?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
In all serious is do you think eventually you kind
of selled it to guard? Do you think that anything
to do with arm length or not?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
No, because I went out and tackle. It's really more
of like the mental ability to figure out how to
play those different positions. I mean, I know guys that
have super long arms that have gone in the guard
and have success. And I know guys with short arms
that are some of the best. Who's the best left
tackle in football right now?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think, like, I don't know what are there's some
guys that have shorter arm. I Shaan Slater out.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
In me that Tim just got paid. He doesn't have
long arms. He's been starting.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
So I think right now, it's at the offense. You're in,
the scheme you're in. If you can build a guy
in a labby of course you're going to have him
have some longer arm. But this game we know is
not built by players in labs. Just Tyron Smith. As
we mentioned earlier, If you want to know how to
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
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all right, let's talk to the football here justin before
we say goodbye. I know your family's waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
How do you think?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
What do you think of the giants and the in
the off season, bringing in the veteran quarterback Russell Wilson.
Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think this was an a plus offseason. I really do,
and I would be skeptical. I've said things publicly before.
I think it was an a plus offseason. I didn't
want us to reach at three and try to do
something that was mortgaging the future.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And you go off your board for it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Abdul Carter could have gone two, could have gone one
if someone had a quarterback, right, I think you get
the best player in the draft. The defensive line has
always been the scariest part about playing The New York Giants,
Philadelphia Eagles copy that playbook, the Dallas Cowboys. They all
went out and tried to build off of like the
seven and eleven Giants teams that had that NASCAR package.
Put all those guys in the field. Giants are getting
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back to the Giants football, and I think the depth
on the offensive line is the best that it's been
in years. And I feel very confident now we have
quarterbacks that have won Super Bowls that have been very successful.
The number one overall pick we had Jackson Dart, a
young player. They don't have to force into any situation.
Everywhere I look on this team, I'm confident that if
we go out there and fight, we are in every
single game, and with a defensive line like ours, I'm
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gonna make this call right now, Dexter Lawrence will be
Defensive Player of the Year this year. Now, don't tell
him I said this in America. I don't want the
defensive line getting their heads too big right now. Actually,
maybe I want to give some bolletin board material, like
I'll start throwing jabs at them because they need to
have a little fire. You gotta bring it week in
and week out. But I've gone against Dexter when he
was a rookie to where he's at now, and he's
made leaps and bounds. Last year, I think he could
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have been Defensive Player of the Year. I think he
gets over the hump and wins and it's a freaking
nose guard This year, the Giants are gonna set that tone.
They're gonna build off of it, and it's it's I
don't want to say, hey, it's bright and sunny days.
There's gonna be adversity. Things are gonna hit. But I
am so optimistic about this team.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
What does having a veteran quarterback like a Russell Wilson
do for a team. You're here when you showed up,
Eli was here, same deal with Probably they're probably almost
throughout the same age. I'm totally honest with you. So
what is having a guy like Russ that that's been
through it all due for an offense? I had an
offensive line group for that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Match, colms the group. I've been here before. I've been
through the ups and downs. I mean, and look at
his career as of late. People aren't just throwing like
rainbows and butterflies his way. He's going through. He's in
the trenches right now, and if there's something that is
to be said, if he keeps showing back up to work.
My brother and my nephews are just outside. He came
up and met him, and my brother was like, he
was more excited to meet them, I think, and then
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they were to meet him and they were They were
as happy as they could be. To who he has
as a person, how he carries himself, how he handles
that huddle running down the field from elite neighbors, big
big grab today, which is good. To'll be able to
talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
We will.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That is everything. You lead by example, and he's always
done that throughout his career.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I know he has an offensive lineman.
You're still scouting pass rushers. What do you think about
dull quarter seim in person out there on the field today.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I mean, he just he's bigger than I think I
remember him being at Penn stated. I thought he he
might struggle against the run at times, but he looked
like he can be multiple. He can he can being
off the ball linebacker and then how much better that's
going to make? Cave On Thibodeau, Brian Burns. Everyone doesn't
have to put all the pressure on themselves, Dexter, Lawrence
Nacho on the inside, Like we got some guys now,
we just keep rotating, and that's what it's always been.
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If you have eight defensive linemen, that's what. If you
have eight starting defensive lineman, that's enough. If you only
have four, you don't have enough. And that's where I
think now we have the depth there and on the
offensive lineman, I think we're eight deep as well. We
have eight guys that could be a starter on your team,
and that's a good place to be.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
What is Evan Neil going through right now, moving from
tackle to guard.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Your ego takes a little bit of a hit. Like
I've been there before, I've been the starting right now,
I've been a first round pick, and your ego takes
a hit, and then you're go, look what guards are
making right now, Evan, That's all I gotta tell you.
There's a lot worse things that could happen in your
life than to be a guard. The guys closer to
you can get your hands on, and you get quarterback help.
It takes pressure off you mentally. You're not out there
on an island. You're closer to the quarterback. You can
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go through all those different things. I think he's gonna
find success now. Look, we have guys that we paid
to be starting guards. He'll compete for those spots. If
he's not the starter day one, it doesn't mean you
give up on the guy. It means he's probably gonna
at some point play this year.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Absolutely, I'm with you. And you mentioned guys with long robes,
something I do better guard. That would be a perfect example.
All right, give me a you look at the league
from a wide ranging perspective, what's a couple of trends
that you've known the last couple of years that you
think the league is moving towards that you think people
can kind of get ahead of and think about a
little bit as the season starts.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
This year, I'm gonna give kind of one of like
an outside of football and then inside of Polease.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Go ahead, I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
The salary cap manipulation has come into our game. Hello Philadelphia,
Hello Philadelphia Eagles. But like, how good could go wrong?
Hello Cleveland Browns? Correct right?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Saints weren't spending as much cash though they just had
so like they just kept pushing buddy, Yeah, exactly, they
weren't spending as much cash. I mean you look at
some of how that has gone, like the Philadelphia Eagles,
because of the way they manulate the salary cap, have
more talent on the field, more dollars in terms of
who they put on the field. So I think that
is going to come into some I don't know if
that's a CBA and something's gonna happen there because the
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owner is gonna be like we see what they clearly
know what's going.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
On, Like do you limit void years? Like like like
what do you do to try to control.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I think that's something to look at because not everyone
wants to spend money like that, because this is a
business at the end of the day, and not everyone
can just push those dollars out. And now look Howie
Rosemans hit on those players too. But the way that
teams spent cash is a big theme going into this.
And then it's like, I think teams are getting bigger,
We're going back to running the ball, We're going back
to smash mouth gap scheme stuff. Right yeah, I mean,
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look at the Baltimore Ravens, the Philadelphia Eagles, look at
the hardball out out in San Diego. Right now. Teams
are getting bigger, teams are getting stronger, and all of
a sudden, you have a small defensive end or a linebacker,
it might not play as well.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
All right, finally, give via. I don't think you did
this with the presser, so I'm look at the camera.
What's your message for Giant fans as you call quits here?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Giants fans, I thank you for all the support throughout
the years. I love you guys. I will see you
guys very soon. I look forward to highlighting the Giants fans.
How great you guys are I'll see you at MetLife
during games this season. I'm not going anywhere. I got
my little my Ledgens community poll on on now, so
I might just be in a different jersey. So thank
you again.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Can't wait for working to doing your just always a pleasure.
Thank you very much, Giants to the podcast brought you
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought
to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.
Joining me in the Hack and Sack Marine Health Podcast
that You'll keep getting better is a man that just
retired from the National Football League as a member of
the Giants. Justin you, how are you? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, when they give you the Legends Community, let's
get our let's get our mic situation figured it out.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He's it pro.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
When they give you the Legends Community polo, you know
it's time to go. That's when you know it's time
to go. Have you signed it? And they're like, all right,
here's your polo? Today was my day.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So, I mean, I'm not surprised by this because you
were kind of a shrunken version of Justin Peugh when
you showed up here for your last year with the Giants.
But you kind of took the same path as most
offensive lineman where you retire and then like eighty pounds
just melts off of you.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I mean it kind of was progressing towards the
end of my career. Even when I was in Arizona,
we were running an uptempo style offense, so I didn't
need to be three hundred and fifteen pounds. But it
is the one position in all all of professional sports
where you actually have to be like big and almost
out of shape to be good at your job. There's
no three hundred and fifty. Rarely do you see three
hundred fifteen jack guys. Even the guys you think are
in amazing shape and are some of the best left tackles,
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they still could probably benefit from losing a.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Couple paus maybe, like Tyrone Smith is the one example. Yeah,
yes they had no body fat, but everyone else yes, yes, yeah,
and he's built in a lab. And even you know,
I think of your best left tackle, he probably could.
We either get really really.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Big, is what I should say, or we get really
really small. I don't want to pick on left tackles,
all right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So you said today during your retirement, Prescommens, I want
to go here first, that you didn't pick offensive line.
Offensive line kind of picked you. Yeah, it just turned
out to be the position that was right for you.
You start at as a defensive lineman. You did to
make it a switch. Just talk about that and why
you think in the end that was the right position
for you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think any kid really is
like wants to be an offensive lineman. Right. It's one
of those positions where it's like I didn't grow up,
you know, mimicking past setting Aaron Donald to try to
win a game, and that was never something you always
get only on your own on TV when you have
a holding penalty, and so all for all those reasons.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You've had that big William Rofe poster on your wall.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now, Yeah, no I did not. But what I did
find out was like, no one has a room like
the offensive line room. And that's something the community and
bringing the guys together. It's something that I always cherished
and it's something that I try to bring rack and
is still on this team. When I came back two
years ago, it was like a mandatory offensive line dinners.
They're still doing them, which is great, right, And those
are the types of things that I think build culture.
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They build the room, and the best teams I've been
on the offensive line has been a very big part
of that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Is this impossible to build that if you're just doing
what's required and what's frankly allowed in the facility, right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, exactly. I mean I think when you look at
OTA's now and they're a little bit different, guys are
scattered in the off seasons, Like I lived here when
I was playing for the Giants, and I really was
in the community, I was around. I would challenge more
guys to continue to train together, be around another, bring
their families together, get dinners together. Like I always said,
if you can't tell me like the names of the
kids you play with, or like they're the school they
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went to, like high school, like where they're from, Like
how are you going to do a douce block with them?
How are you going to pass protect with them? Like
how are you going to communicate when you guys aren't
even speaking the same language from the jump?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I want to get to some football in a little bit.
But looking back at your career at the Giants, is
there a game or moment, a play, anything that that
really kind of sticks out in your head is something
that you'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, I think my first ever game Dallas Cowboys Stadium.
Now we lost the game, but it was I'm out
there against at right tackle and DeMarcus Ware lines up
against me for my first snap in the NFL, and
I'm just saying, yeah, we're here, We're here. And then
obviously the playoff game when we go to Green Bay,
we you know, didn't come out of victorious, but going
to the playoffs, getting experienced that for the first time
and then again later in my career, well, it was
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another major one. I would say, probably one of the
ones that I hang my hat on. It kind of
defines me as a player. Is my last game of
the New York Giants Stint one. We go to play
the Denver Broncos. I was playing left guard that whole season,
getting ready to get a contract extension. Me and Jerry
Reese are deep in talks to get this contact contact
contract done. And we go in a Sunday night football
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and we're going against Von Miller, who plays over the
right tackle. We had some interest at the right tackle spot.
They said, hey, Justin, we need you to play right
tackle this week. And I'm like, guys, like, I'm a
left guard, Like that's where anyone's gonna pay me going
for it. I'm not a right tackle and we're at
this point. I think we're only like we have no
wins at this point, or maybe one win. It's very few.
And I go out there and play right tackle and
have a great game against von Miller. They give me
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the game ball. When's the last time you saw an
offensive line get the game ball on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm walking off the field. I kind of had the
ball in the air and my wife got it painted
and I have it in our room. But I always
look back to that, not of like I had a
great game. It was like the feeling I felt going
into the locker room after it was just a one win.
It was one win the season that was dismal. They
end up drafting Teguon Barkley the next year to show
you how bad the year was. But like every guy
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came up and hugged me from the defense to the
offensive side of the ball, like, hey, you took one
for the team, and you like you you put the
team first, and that's something that I'll always take that
mentality and that kind of resonated with me that like, hey,
you do right by the team, good things will happen
in the long run.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I don't want to bring up a part of this
is a bad memory. Does that twenty sixteen playoff game
still stick in your crawl a little bit?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah? I mean you go into a game like that,
there was a Hail Mary right before halftime. I felt
like there was a lot of things that were going
in our favor. Obviously a lot more outside of a
lot of outside noise during that game, but going against
Aaron Rodgers in lambeau Field, like, that's what you draw
up when you're like, you're in lambeau to win a
playoff game, and I thought there was no doubt we
were winning the Super Bowl. I was just like, if
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you get Eli Manning into the playoffs, you win super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And let me tell you he was dealing that thy No,
that was not Eli's fault. He played a hell of
a game.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's playoff football. Aaron Rodgers is
one of the best ever played this game as well, so.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And losing Dominque Rodgers Camarti on defense, Yes, it was
just rough that yep, yep, yeah, I know. And then
you know the first few years in the Giants that
you mentioned in your pres comments some rough years. Yeah,
what was that like for you as a player, how
much did you deal with losing growing up, coming through
high school and college and was that like a system
shocked for you trying to kind of figure out how
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to do that while not having team success on this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I had always been part of rebuilds. Right in my
high school, we weren't very good. Like the last year
we end like we actually never made the playoffs in
high school. But like towards towards the end of my
career or in high school, we're like right on the
costs and they go to the state championship right their
following we set the foundation. Syracuse was the worst team
in college football when I got there. We were Big
East champs when I left, and I brought that same mentality.
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I fully was committed to doing whatever it took to
see the Giants all the way through from you know
us starting out they were they were Super Bowl champions,
but we had fallen we had fallen off, and we
were owing six. And I remember justin tucking in front
of the team and just talking about still doing the
little things right, still being consistent. And I've put that
tool into my toolbox for my whole career. I'm gonna
be that guy you can depend on whether we're owing
six or we're six and oh. And I've been on
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O sixteens, and I've been on six and oh teams,
and I've been the same guy no matter what. You
find out the character of the men in the room
when things aren't going the right way, and I always
prided myself we're owing six, you come in. I'm still
doing the same work on Tuesday. On the off days,
I'm still doing the offensive line dinner. It's not like
things just become less important because you're not winning, and
that's what gets you through. Unfortunately, in this business you
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don't always have the opportunity to see it through. But
it's part of the reason why I came back to
help continually set that foundation. I was talking to Richie
Seibert today, super Bowl winning offensive lineman for the Giants,
and I'm still carrying the traditions that I learned from
those guys from the Christnee of you gotta love the
guy you play next to. You got to have that
connectivity all year long, and that's what builds great teams.
And I'll always battle for that for the Giants and
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for any team. Huddle up get in here. If you're
lined up here, you gotta go over the middle with
at the score right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
How do we make that happen? I don't know, but
Citizens does makes sense of your money with Citizens Official
Bank of Eli Manning. You mentioned this as a business.
I know you really enjoyed your time in Arizona, but
do you look back and say, I wish we could
have figured out a way to stay here and be
a giant your whole career.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, that was the goal. I never wanted to leave.
I saw David Dial do it, I saw Chrisney do it,
and I wanted to be mentioned with those guys playing
for eleven years with the same organization. The business comes
into it was a great thing I needed. That I
needed to go to Arizona was me and my wife.
I said it in my conference today. We left his kids.
We came back as parents, we came back as adults.
We had to do with things that we're flying the coop.
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I've never lived outside of the Northeast of my entire life.
It was sad at first. I had resentment towards the
Giants at the time and the GM at the time,
but I realized he had a job to do. He
had a family to take care of and I now
love it. And Joe Shane we we had to negotiat
I remember him saying a little joke about, like, this
is the most negotiating I've had to do with a
practice squad offensive line because I was practice squad when
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I came back to kind of like prove my worth.
And I was like, that's because I'm not a practice
squad olignement. Joe, like, I've been through this before. I
know the business, Like I get where we're going, and
it's something that I enjoyed. I think they're like, man,
you're sick and twisted that you have enjoyed and negotiating
a practice squad deal, But it's the truth. I really did.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So how much did that experience leaving the Giants going
in Arizona? You mentioned the end of the year you
were negotiating before the season was season over motivated you
to get into kind of what you're doing now talking
about the business of sports advising players. You do a
lot of contract evaluations on your Twitter feed stuff like that.
How did those do things kind of you know, one
lead to the other.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I was a finance major in school and I told
you we were the worst recruiting class that Syracuse when
I got there. So I didn't think the NFL was
ever in the cards, right. It was always finance and
I was always going to go work for my uncle
who's in the wealth management space, and through my time playing,
I would just I was. I didn't realize I was
the guinea pig to the solution of a problem I
knew existed and didn't know how to solve. Now there's
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these crazy stats flying out there of NFL players having
financial stress. I don't know what's true what's not, So
I'm not going to mention numbers. I just no guys
struggle post career. And it's not just from cash flow
and not having the money to pay their bills. It's
the purpose of like what do I wake up at
thirty five excited to do every day? We don't have
I put this in quotes, We don't think we have
if this skill set, the transit's in a business, and
(09:50):
I want to show guys that we have everything. You
have all the tools in your toolbox, are ready to
be successful. And there are some tweaks and there's some
things I pulled from guys like Tuck from Eli from
zach Thiassi, who is one of my biggest role models
when I was on this team. From Larry Fitzgerald from
Kelvin Beach. I'm like guys that I played with in
Arizona that showed me how to work off the field.
And that was part of the reason I came back,
because being a New York Giant gives you social equity
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that isn't putting into put in a contract. It's put
when you walk into a room and you shake someone's hand,
they tell you that they're the CEO of a company
and they're a New York Giants fan. I remember when
you got drafted, and that's something that I wish I
could tell younger players now, is like, you don't realize
the benefit you have of being in the greatest city
in the world, playing for the greatest franchise in that city.
And it's the reason why I came back. It's the
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reason I'm going to be around. But it's it's something
that's near and dear to my heart. So yeah, we
started working with more athletes to try to work through that.
I'm partnering up with the NFL to do programs to
do just that and It's something I'll always do. My
mom was a school teacher, my uncle was in finance,
so maybe both of those folks rubbed off on me.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And then the content part of your post career. You
did some serious last year. You have your own YouTube channel,
the do some stuff for the Giants or she could
tease that if you want as well, just how did
you kind of get into that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So I'll be working with the Giants this year doing
some lifestyle content. So I'm super excited about that, building
off of what I did last year with my Thursday
Night Football series where I went to every game, and
I realized that if you're not playing, you have to
still stay relevant somehow. How do you still hang around
the hoop and media is the best way to do that.
I didn't know what my niche in this was going
(11:25):
to be, but I've always loved the fans. I've always
loved engaging with the fans. What better way to do
that than to go sit in the stands of them.
So I was a professional football player for eleven years
and then I was a professional fan. Last year I
went and cheered on the home team. So don't get
mad at me, Giants fans I wanted to see what
it was like to be a you know, San Francisco
forty nine Ers fan for the day, and it was
we have some amazing fans. We have some amazing people
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that support these organizations, and that's really the life. Bless
why we're all here. If there weren't fans, there wouldn't
be anything to cheer on. There'd be no reason for
me to have a contract dispute because no one will
be paying the bills to begin with. So I really
do appreciate the fan. I'm excited to go shine a
light on all the great New York Giants fans out there,
So stay tuned for that one. It is coming soon.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
What did you think? What have you learned about football
that maybe you didn't know while you were playing then
now that you have more of a twenty to thirty
thousand foot view, even seeing the business side from a
less biased perspective, is you're not the one in it
right and see it from a fan perspective? What have
you learned about the game that maybe didn't quite click
for you when you were player.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That people love to put everything aside and go support
their team for those four hours. I don't care what
drama's going on, I don't care. Like, and you walk
into a stadium, you have everyone from every walk of life.
If we want to solve world issues, just have them
all become the fans of the same team, right, have
them all become a New York at least, Like if
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we're angry, we're angry about like one common thing. And
that's something that I really learned to cherish to kind
of embody putting myself in those shoes, like, hey guys,
I'm trying to like escape for these four hours. I
have something going on at home. I don't want to worry.
I'm dealing with drama at work or whatever the case
may be. But when I come here, I'm cheering on
the New York Giants and everything goes by the wayside.
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And that was something like the Cleveland Brown's probably were
my biggest shining example of this. I went to the
Browns Steelers Thursday night game, snow game. Jamis Winston was
the quarterback for that game, he remember, and the fans
were like they didn't care. The Browns tod two or
three wins and the season was a disaster. Like they
came together, they were hugging each other in the snow.
And if that isn't a shining example how great this
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game is, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So I feel like, given the questions you got when
you were here, I need to ask this to you
one more time since we're in the building. Do you
think your thirty three and troms might have a negative
impact on your post playing career.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think it's even well if you're gonna do selfie.
If you're doing selfie, but it may impact being able
to put your arms around everybody and bring them in
and bring them in for But I think this is
the one profession where I'm going to be all right
on that. And I always joke with my wife when
I first met her, I said, how long are your arms?
I need to know how long your arms are, so
we'll say my daughter. My daughter's got a good reach
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right now?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
In all serious is do you think eventually you kind
of selled it to guard? Do you think that anything
to do with arm length or not?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
No, because I went out and tackle. It's really more
of like the mental ability to figure out how to
play those different positions. I mean, I know guys that
have super long arms that have gone in the guard
and have success. And I know guys with short arms
that are some of the best. Who's the best left
tackle in football right now?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think, like, I don't know what are there's some
guys that have shorter arm. I Shaan Slater out.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
In me that Tim just got paid. He doesn't have
long arms. He's been starting.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
So I think right now, it's at the offense. You're in,
the scheme you're in. If you can build a guy
in a labby of course you're going to have him
have some longer arm. But this game we know is
not built by players in labs. Just Tyron Smith. As
we mentioned earlier, If you want to know how to
manage two minutes of crunch time football, I'm your man.
But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,
you should talk to citizens.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to
learn about a Mollia routine. Yes, I knew I could
help make sense of your money with citizens. So Lily,
all right, let's talk to the football here justin before
we say goodbye. I know your family's waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
How do you think?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
What do you think of the giants and the in
the off season, bringing in the veteran quarterback Russell Wilson.
Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think this was an a plus offseason. I really do,
and I would be skeptical. I've said things publicly before.
I think it was an a plus offseason. I didn't
want us to reach at three and try to do
something that was mortgaging the future.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And you go off your board for it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Abdul Carter could have gone two, could have gone one
if someone had a quarterback, right, I think you get
the best player in the draft. The defensive line has
always been the scariest part about playing The New York Giants,
Philadelphia Eagles copy that playbook, the Dallas Cowboys. They all
went out and tried to build off of like the
seven and eleven Giants teams that had that NASCAR package.
Put all those guys in the field. Giants are getting
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back to the Giants football, and I think the depth
on the offensive line is the best that it's been
in years. And I feel very confident now we have
quarterbacks that have won Super Bowls that have been very successful.
The number one overall pick we had Jackson Dart, a
young player. They don't have to force into any situation.
Everywhere I look on this team, I'm confident that if
we go out there and fight, we are in every
single game, and with a defensive line like ours, I'm
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gonna make this call right now, Dexter Lawrence will be
Defensive Player of the Year this year. Now, don't tell
him I said this in America. I don't want the
defensive line getting their heads too big right now. Actually,
maybe I want to give some bolletin board material, like
I'll start throwing jabs at them because they need to
have a little fire. You gotta bring it week in
and week out. But I've gone against Dexter when he
was a rookie to where he's at now, and he's
made leaps and bounds. Last year, I think he could
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have been Defensive Player of the Year. I think he
gets over the hump and wins and it's a freaking
nose guard This year, the Giants are gonna set that tone.
They're gonna build off of it, and it's it's I
don't want to say, hey, it's bright and sunny days.
There's gonna be adversity. Things are gonna hit. But I
am so optimistic about this team.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
What does having a veteran quarterback like a Russell Wilson
do for a team. You're here when you showed up,
Eli was here, same deal with Probably they're probably almost
throughout the same age. I'm totally honest with you. So
what is having a guy like Russ that that's been
through it all due for an offense? I had an
offensive line group for that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Match, colms the group. I've been here before. I've been
through the ups and downs. I mean, and look at
his career as of late. People aren't just throwing like
rainbows and butterflies his way. He's going through. He's in
the trenches right now, and if there's something that is
to be said, if he keeps showing back up to work.
My brother and my nephews are just outside. He came
up and met him, and my brother was like, he
was more excited to meet them, I think, and then
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they were to meet him and they were They were
as happy as they could be. To who he has
as a person, how he carries himself, how he handles
that huddle running down the field from elite neighbors, big
big grab today, which is good. To'll be able to
talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
We will.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That is everything. You lead by example, and he's always
done that throughout his career.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I know he has an offensive lineman.
You're still scouting pass rushers. What do you think about
dull quarter seim in person out there on the field today.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I mean, he just he's bigger than I think I
remember him being at Penn stated. I thought he he
might struggle against the run at times, but he looked
like he can be multiple. He can he can being
off the ball linebacker and then how much better that's
going to make? Cave On Thibodeau, Brian Burns. Everyone doesn't
have to put all the pressure on themselves, Dexter, Lawrence
Nacho on the inside, Like we got some guys now,
we just keep rotating, and that's what it's always been.
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If you have eight defensive linemen, that's what. If you
have eight starting defensive lineman, that's enough. If you only
have four, you don't have enough. And that's where I
think now we have the depth there and on the
offensive lineman, I think we're eight deep as well. We
have eight guys that could be a starter on your team,
and that's a good place to be.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
What is Evan Neil going through right now, moving from
tackle to guard.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Your ego takes a little bit of a hit. Like
I've been there before, I've been the starting right now,
I've been a first round pick, and your ego takes
a hit, and then you're go, look what guards are
making right now, Evan, That's all I gotta tell you.
There's a lot worse things that could happen in your
life than to be a guard. The guys closer to
you can get your hands on, and you get quarterback help.
It takes pressure off you mentally. You're not out there
on an island. You're closer to the quarterback. You can
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go through all those different things. I think he's gonna
find success now. Look, we have guys that we paid
to be starting guards. He'll compete for those spots. If
he's not the starter day one, it doesn't mean you
give up on the guy. It means he's probably gonna
at some point play this year.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Absolutely, I'm with you. And you mentioned guys with long robes,
something I do better guard. That would be a perfect example.
All right, give me a you look at the league
from a wide ranging perspective, what's a couple of trends
that you've known the last couple of years that you
think the league is moving towards that you think people
can kind of get ahead of and think about a
little bit as the season starts.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
This year, I'm gonna give kind of one of like
an outside of football and then inside of Polease.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Go ahead, I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
The salary cap manipulation has come into our game. Hello Philadelphia,
Hello Philadelphia Eagles. But like, how good could go wrong?
Hello Cleveland Browns? Correct right?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Saints weren't spending as much cash though they just had
so like they just kept pushing buddy, Yeah, exactly, they
weren't spending as much cash. I mean you look at
some of how that has gone, like the Philadelphia Eagles,
because of the way they manulate the salary cap, have
more talent on the field, more dollars in terms of
who they put on the field. So I think that
is going to come into some I don't know if
that's a CBA and something's gonna happen there because the
(19:43):
owner is gonna be like we see what they clearly
know what's going.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
On, Like do you limit void years? Like like like
what do you do to try to control.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I think that's something to look at because not everyone
wants to spend money like that, because this is a
business at the end of the day, and not everyone
can just push those dollars out. And now look Howie
Rosemans hit on those players too. But the way that
teams spent cash is a big theme going into this.
And then it's like, I think teams are getting bigger,
We're going back to running the ball, We're going back
to smash mouth gap scheme stuff. Right yeah, I mean,
(20:09):
look at the Baltimore Ravens, the Philadelphia Eagles, look at
the hardball out out in San Diego. Right now. Teams
are getting bigger, teams are getting stronger, and all of
a sudden, you have a small defensive end or a linebacker,
it might not play as well.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
All right, finally, give via. I don't think you did
this with the presser, so I'm look at the camera.
What's your message for Giant fans as you call quits here?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Giants fans, I thank you for all the support throughout
the years. I love you guys. I will see you
guys very soon. I look forward to highlighting the Giants fans.
How great you guys are I'll see you at MetLife
during games this season. I'm not going anywhere. I got
my little my Ledgens community poll on on now, so
I might just be in a different jersey. So thank
you again.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Can't wait for working to doing your just always a pleasure.
Thank you very much, Giants to the podcast brought you
by Citizens Special Bank of the Giants, who thank Justin
Peter for joining us in the Hackensack Britney Hill podcast studio.
Keep getting better. We'll see you next time.
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