July 18, 2025 • 16 mins
Shaun O'Hara is joined by Giants Running Backs Coach, Ladell Betts, and Giants Cornerbacks Coach, Jeff Burris, to discuss their respective position groups and the expectations for the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time to get inside the Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let's go. Giants. Dunt like it.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (00:05):
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of the Giants podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Let's roll, Coach Burris.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How we doing.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I have fantastic in yourself.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I'm doing great well man, listen, welcome to the g men.
You look green and blue.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh for sure, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
What's it what's it been like for you? I know
it probably feels a little bit a little bit of
a blitz with the with the whole off season and
now the draft, now you guys are on the field.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Yeah, it's been fast faced, to say the least. We've
we've been busy, just obviously with the draft and now
with the OTAs. But you know, it's it's it's like
drinking through water holes, as people talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's been fun. You know. The good thing about it,
Sean is you know, when you're around.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Good people, it makes it a lot easier, you know,
when you deal with our people in the transition and
things of that sort. Uh, It's it's been fantastic from
that to that point.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So all right, I mean specifically, you.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You spend a lot of time with the corners, right
obviously you played corner in the league a long time.
When you're looking at a corner, like, what are some
of the things the core values that you feel like
they have to have to be a good corner.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
One Length, you know, that's one of the things. Obviously
we can all talk about length. That's most people talk
about height, fight. That's not necessarily the things that you
always want is to length on length. But the other
thing that I enjoy I like to find guys that
are playmakers, you know, guys that are not afraid to
tack the ball and former receivers you think of guys
(01:30):
like Richard Shrumman back in the day with as a
receiver that became a corner. But guys that want to
make plays on the ball and just just that competitive edge.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, that's the one thing.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
That we can't We can talk about the intangible, which
we talk about high weight, speed and all those things,
but the want to the desire to want to be great,
that want to compete at a high level.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's the thing that makes the difference at the end
of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So if you've got a guy that has great length.
Typically do you want him doing more man and man
and more press covers?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
So we can use that without a doubt, without a doubt,
and it also gives you some somewhat an advantage at
the at the top of the route when you're let's
say you're talking about defending the deep ball.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know you got receivers nowadays you look at the
leak and you know his catch rate is unbelievable. But
would you need someone with some type of arm link
that can be able to compete and the balls in
the air and go attack the ball in the air.
So at the top of the route is when those
things really come into play.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know, I feel like that always ends up being
a big conversation during the game. Is you know those
one on one, those those the fade route, you know
the back shoulder throws, like now everybody does.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It with doubt, How how do you defend the back
shoulder throw?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Well, the bit you hope it's not a quarterback that
can throw it first and the foremost right, that helps
a great deal. But the one thing we talk about,
we've talked about it with our guys, is to make
sure you stay chess to chess and if you get
you can't try to play necessarily to make could play
on the ball in the sense of trying to get
in an interception, you're trying to defend the body position.
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The receivers are going to body position, and he's going
to The biggest thing is he's going to try to
fade away from you. And that's where the link comes
to play, right because now when he fades away from you,
guys that have the link, they can defend it with
the long arm and be able to get their.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Arm in there and bath the passes away.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Now, obviously the big corner of emphasis is your leverage,
uh and where you are on the defender. If you're
high on it, it gives you a better chance to
see through the receiver back to the ball, and those
things may make a huge difference. But if you're behind,
it's tough to defend. And the quarterbacks that becoming very
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precise about how they're throwing any thing, and.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's been impress of the watch.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
But you know, we're comfortable, we'll get guys ready and prepared,
and then you know the quarterbacks that can throw it,
and you know the quarterbacks that hopefully you get a
chance to make a playoff.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, I know you you got some physical corners, right,
Taybank's a physical guy.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Paulson the debo comes over, he's he's a lengthy guy.
You know, he's he's a ballhawk as well. What is
a debo brought to this secondary?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I just think right now his professionalist, just how he's
been approaching in and he and Jon, both of men
are very professional about their business, but more and more importantly,
they're trying to lead by example. And sometimes, as you know, Sean,
you dealt with this guy's coming in, they want to
be more vocal in a sense. They are going out
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and they're going to compete. They're going to let their
work ethic, their preparation, their mental focus, their details, and
those are the things that were making a difference for
a debo. Right now, he's coming in with the professionalism
of you know, you see him every day. I got
to stress this old body out before I go to
practice as well. But cut joking, but he is thirty
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minutes before and he's doing ball drills. He's doing small
things and those type of things that as you know,
veteran leadership, you learn from that and that's how guys
grow and that's how guys get to the next level.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We all come into this league learning from.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Someone, right.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Heck, I'm learning from Mark Kwan right now. Yeah, he's
doing a heck of a job. And every day is
a new day for us myself, Pops, and we're learning
every second.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But if you're not learning, you're not growing.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
And so he has shown that leadership from that just
being the preparation aspect of it, which has been great.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, when you got a guy doing that, then you know,
all of a sudden, now the young guys see it,
they start doing it. So what does that meant for
a guy like Drew Phillips, you know who who is
kind of playing a little bit of a different role is
the nickel slot, Like that's a little bit of a
different different position. But how has he kind of absorbed
some of the things he's learned from an evil.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
You can see he's more he's more relaxed. I mean
he is, and that slowing the game down is the
biggest part for you guys in that transition from year
one a year two.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But you can see a debo.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
When he goes out he is very calm and relaxed,
and I think that's kind of criculaid down through to
to Drew as well, and and and even even tell
you they're they're learning to slow the game down and
understand processing things as opposed it's just going to be
an athlete on the field at some at some point
in time, the talent level is going to eat well. Yeah,
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and you better have something. You better have something from
a middle standpoint that will allow you to to be great.
And that's the one thing that I think the guys
are starting to see from a preparation standpoint. Uh, And
Devo is going his approach is trying to slow the
game down. Meletley, we talk through formations, we talk the splits,
We talked through the small things, which.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Gives him a chance to go out and play fast.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So you mentioned Javon Holland coming over and you know
him being a veteran and and a and a good leader.
And then you've got your Tyler Newban who's still kind
of learned some things coming in his second year. How
does having both sides of the spectrum on that, how
does that help you guys as a coach in terms
of just being able to do different schemes, different you know,
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different packages.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
From a cover standpoint, well, you got guys that one
that are one of physical both are physical, and one
have the athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But I was just hardb on what I've seen from
Tyler Nuban.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I mean, this young man has been impressive, like from
a leadership standpoint, from a work ethics standpoint, and well,
you got two guys that understand football. They're trying to
expand themselves beyond just the simplicity of the game. They're
trying to expand to being a four dimensional football player.
And when you have two guys that have the ability
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to cover, to tackle in space, and to do the
things and to process the game in the manner that
they both do, it definitely gives you a chance to
go be successful.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Well, I'll tell you what I think. The Giants are
excited to have you here. Yeah, I know you got
a lot of knowledge, and of course you know it
always helps to have an another Golden domer.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, coach, I appreciate it. Thanks
you having the time.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
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Speaker 1 (08:36):
You doing doing all right?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Welcome to the Giants, one man.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Glad that you We had some good battles when you're
down ninety five in Washington.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
Uh huh, yeah, man, that was that was some good
times eight years down there.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, well, you look good in Blue man.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I appreciate it. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
So what's it been like coming to the Giants and
now kind of getting to know some of the guys
in the running back room and some of the guys
on offense.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
You know, it's been a good experience for me, you know,
coming back from college, getting back to the NFL, kind
of getting back to where it all started, at least
for me, being back in this division where it's familiar
territory and getting to know the guys in the room.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's a good group of guys. So it's been great
so far.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
How did you get into coaching, Like, when did you decide,
you know what, this is what I want to do
and where did you get your first start?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So?
Speaker 8 (09:24):
I started off doing NFL prep camps. Troy Vincent, who
was with NFL PA at the time, was doing camps
across the country. I jumped in with him and started
doing I was offensive coordinator for him, and that's kind
of really what sparked it. I really just got into
it because he needed some help and I got in
there and it took off from there, started doing high
school ball and then finally made the jump up to
college and now here I am.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So you had a little oc position there and that probably,
you know, helped you now as you're you know, kind
of moving in and learning different offenses, right as a
former running back yourself. How is it hard to coach
guys on certain things that came easy to you.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Well, the good thing about it is most of the
guys this level are pretty talented already. I think it
was a little bit more challenging, especially in college, because
you're kind of teaching some guys and nuances of the
game that maybe don't.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Know the ins and outs of running back, right.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
But to answer your question directly, yeah, a lot of
these guys kind of kind of know the ins and
out a little bit more so now it's about refining
those skills, making sure they know the finer details of
the position, which, like I said, it's a good group
a couple veteran players, so makes the transition easy.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, you got some vets, got some fresh legs too.
But Tyron Tracy, you've actually known him a long time.
You guys were in Iowa together, correct.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
We were my first year when I went back to
Iowa to coach, Tracy was there. He was playing receiver
at the time, so I was around him for a year.
Never worked directly with him other than kickoff returner, you know,
but saw him in practice all the time. He was
still a receiver. Got to know him a little bit,
but you know, he wasn't in my position room.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know you were surprised when he moved
the running back after and receiver throughout his career. What
when you're when you look at running backs, like, what
are things that you really look for when you're trying
to figure out like, all right, this guy has these
special skills.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Well, I look for vision, you know, a guy that
has natural instincts because to me, you have to have
the vision. You have to be able to see the cut,
and then from there it's the agility. Can you put
that that the vision that you see? Can you make
those cuts actually happen? So can a guy make a
guy miss? You know how tough is he?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Does?
Speaker 8 (11:30):
He break tackles? All those things? So again I'm looking
at vision. I'm looking at natural instincts, feel for where
the hole is going to be, and can you make
something more than what is blocked for you?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So when you say vision, you know, just so you know,
for for fans, it's not just you know, hey, twenty
twenty vision, it's right, all right?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Can you read the defense exactly? See where the alignment is?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Because pre snap, there's pre styn vision, right and then
post snap. So how do you help somebody get better
at that?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
What one?
Speaker 8 (12:03):
You have to be able to understand the intent of
the play. Are we trying to get outside? Are we
trying to get inside? And if we're trying to get
back inside, how are we setting that up? You know,
you have to set up your offense alignment. So to me,
the vision starts with understanding where the intent of the
play is supposed to be. And then from there, once
they understand where it's supposed to be, can you make
it happen? Do you have the natural instincts to make
it happen? And set your your blockers up? And if
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you do, now what do you do with it once
you once you see what you need to do?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Are you able to make a guy missed? Are you
able to break the tackles? You know? So on and
so forth. So those are kind of the progression of
what I look at.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, and you mentioned breaking tackles, So what is the
what are the art behind breaking tackles?
Speaker 8 (12:41):
There's no art behind that to me, that that comes
with the with the runner. I mean, you have to
have good pad level, good leg drive. You know, there
has to be some natural you know, ability that you
were born with. But other than that, it's just sheer
one two. A guy that's got good contact balance and toughness.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, since we're talking about breaking tackles, we've got to
bring right. I mean, he's he's already a fan favorite.
I can already hear the cheers when he comes out
for his first trading camp practice. The first time he
breaks the tackle, they're going to go nuts. Right, Well,
what did you like about Cam coming out?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
The contact balance, you know, the ability to break tackles.
To me, a guy that doesn't concede the fact that
he's going to get tackled. You know, just because a
guy is there doesn't mean he's going to make the play.
And to me, those are usually the best guys that
are in terms of breaking tackles. Those are guys that
are better at it that just they just don't concede
the run. They're not They're not going to accept that
you're going to tackle me. You have to go actually
tackle me. And I think he's that kind of a runner.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, I know, giants fans can't wait to see him,
you know, run somebody over. I think they'd rather see
him truck somebody that score touched. I think he said
it himself, right, But I know one of the biggest
challenges and you know, look, even you know back when
we were playing too it was like, look, third down
is a totally different beast, Like that's a different animal.
How do you get them ready when you're a young
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player likes Catabo, how do you how do you prepare
him to be ready to pick up all of the
blitzes and handle all of the mental aspects that you
have to on third down.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
A lot of it starts in the classroom. One you
have to know who to block, you have to understand
what our protection schemes are. And then two you have
to go out there and practice and do it because
you have to hear the calls from the offensive line,
whether the quarterback switching the calls at the line of
scrimmage based on the defensive front that he's seeing. So
a lot of it is repetition, but it initially starts
in the classroom, like understanding who my responsibility is. And
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then from there we have to go out on the
field and again repid like I said, but they also
got to work on the technique.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So you come to the Giants, obviously it's probably a
new offense for you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yes, completely.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
What was that like for you to have to all
of a sudden, I've got to learn a new offense
so that I can regurgtitate it and teach it to
the guys who have already been doing it for the
last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's challenging.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
But if you've played football as long as long as
I haven't been around the game as long as I have,
I've been in multiple offenses. I had three four different
head coaches I was an NFL player. I mean I
had a high school offense. I had a college offense,
four different offenses in the pros. I've coached and implemented
my own offenses as a high school coach. Had more
when I got the iowas so it. You know, you
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learn eventually that there's only so many plays that you
can run for all. It's just a matter what do
you call it versus what.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Do I call it?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, And when you are looking at kind of your
running backs and you're watching film from last year and
kind of what they've done in the past, do.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You recognize like, Okay, you know what, this guy is
a better downhill runner.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He's better at hitting the front side a gap or
cutting back to the backside of a gap, whereas this
guy's more of a slasher.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I got to get him on outside zones.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
You do you get a feel for that by watching
the tape, And to me, I think you get even
better field once you start working with these guys in person,
which I've had the ability to do over the last
what for four weeks. You get out there and practice,
see him move around, see him do some drills, and
you get a better feel for what they're more capable
of it. And I don't worry about what a guy
can't do. I worry about what he can do.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
All right, let's talk about points of pressure. What's our
what's our coja point.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
We got some young fans that are going to be
watching this, some young ball carriers.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
What do they have to know about keeping that ball
hind tight?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Okay, we preached five points of pressure. Really it starts
with four and then the fifth is always double in trouble.
But the first one is we call the tip, you know,
fingertips on the tip of that football. The second one
is forearm flush on the forearm, third is bicep in
and across the chest on the rib cage is number four.
And then fifth we always double in trouble, double in trouble.
I like that, So we secure the ball and double
in trouble for the fifth one. Yeah, keep that rock
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hind tight until it's silly time. Right, Absolutely, you can't
score without the football.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Right, No amen, amen to that. Coach Betts appreciate the time. Man,
absolutely good luck this year.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Thank you,
It's time to get inside the Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let's go. Giants. Dunt like it.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (00:05):
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of the Giants podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Let's roll, Coach Burris.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How we doing.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I have fantastic in yourself.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I'm doing great well man, listen, welcome to the g men.
You look green and blue.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh for sure, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
What's it what's it been like for you? I know
it probably feels a little bit a little bit of
a blitz with the with the whole off season and
now the draft, now you guys are on the field.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Yeah, it's been fast faced, to say the least. We've
we've been busy, just obviously with the draft and now
with the OTAs. But you know, it's it's it's like
drinking through water holes, as people talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's been fun. You know. The good thing about it,
Sean is you know, when you're around.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Good people, it makes it a lot easier, you know,
when you deal with our people in the transition and
things of that sort. Uh, It's it's been fantastic from
that to that point.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So all right, I mean specifically, you.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You spend a lot of time with the corners, right
obviously you played corner in the league a long time.
When you're looking at a corner, like, what are some
of the things the core values that you feel like
they have to have to be a good corner.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
One Length, you know, that's one of the things. Obviously
we can all talk about length. That's most people talk
about height, fight. That's not necessarily the things that you
always want is to length on length. But the other
thing that I enjoy I like to find guys that
are playmakers, you know, guys that are not afraid to
tack the ball and former receivers you think of guys
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like Richard Shrumman back in the day with as a
receiver that became a corner. But guys that want to
make plays on the ball and just just that competitive edge.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, that's the one thing.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
That we can't We can talk about the intangible, which
we talk about high weight, speed and all those things,
but the want to the desire to want to be great,
that want to compete at a high level.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's the thing that makes the difference at the end
of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So if you've got a guy that has great length.
Typically do you want him doing more man and man
and more press covers?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
So we can use that without a doubt, without a doubt,
and it also gives you some somewhat an advantage at
the at the top of the route when you're let's
say you're talking about defending the deep ball.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know you got receivers nowadays you look at the
leak and you know his catch rate is unbelievable. But
would you need someone with some type of arm link
that can be able to compete and the balls in
the air and go attack the ball in the air.
So at the top of the route is when those
things really come into play.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know, I feel like that always ends up being
a big conversation during the game. Is you know those
one on one, those those the fade route, you know
the back shoulder throws, like now everybody does.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It with doubt, How how do you defend the back
shoulder throw?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Well, the bit you hope it's not a quarterback that
can throw it first and the foremost right, that helps
a great deal. But the one thing we talk about,
we've talked about it with our guys, is to make
sure you stay chess to chess and if you get
you can't try to play necessarily to make could play
on the ball in the sense of trying to get
in an interception, you're trying to defend the body position.
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The receivers are going to body position, and he's going
to The biggest thing is he's going to try to
fade away from you. And that's where the link comes
to play, right because now when he fades away from you,
guys that have the link, they can defend it with
the long arm and be able to get their.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Arm in there and bath the passes away.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Now, obviously the big corner of emphasis is your leverage,
uh and where you are on the defender. If you're
high on it, it gives you a better chance to
see through the receiver back to the ball, and those
things may make a huge difference. But if you're behind,
it's tough to defend. And the quarterbacks that becoming very
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precise about how they're throwing any thing, and.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's been impress of the watch.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
But you know, we're comfortable, we'll get guys ready and prepared,
and then you know the quarterbacks that can throw it,
and you know the quarterbacks that hopefully you get a
chance to make a playoff.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, I know you you got some physical corners, right,
Taybank's a physical guy.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Paulson the debo comes over, he's he's a lengthy guy.
You know, he's he's a ballhawk as well. What is
a debo brought to this secondary?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I just think right now his professionalist, just how he's
been approaching in and he and Jon, both of men
are very professional about their business, but more and more importantly,
they're trying to lead by example. And sometimes, as you know, Sean,
you dealt with this guy's coming in, they want to
be more vocal in a sense. They are going out
(04:34):
and they're going to compete. They're going to let their
work ethic, their preparation, their mental focus, their details, and
those are the things that were making a difference for
a debo. Right now, he's coming in with the professionalism
of you know, you see him every day. I got
to stress this old body out before I go to
practice as well. But cut joking, but he is thirty
(04:56):
minutes before and he's doing ball drills. He's doing small
things and those type of things that as you know,
veteran leadership, you learn from that and that's how guys
grow and that's how guys get to the next level.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We all come into this league learning from.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Someone, right.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Heck, I'm learning from Mark Kwan right now. Yeah, he's
doing a heck of a job. And every day is
a new day for us myself, Pops, and we're learning
every second.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But if you're not learning, you're not growing.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
And so he has shown that leadership from that just
being the preparation aspect of it, which has been great.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, when you got a guy doing that, then you know,
all of a sudden, now the young guys see it,
they start doing it. So what does that meant for
a guy like Drew Phillips, you know who who is
kind of playing a little bit of a different role is
the nickel slot, Like that's a little bit of a
different different position. But how has he kind of absorbed
some of the things he's learned from an evil.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
You can see he's more he's more relaxed. I mean
he is, and that slowing the game down is the
biggest part for you guys in that transition from year
one a year two.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But you can see a debo.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
When he goes out he is very calm and relaxed,
and I think that's kind of criculaid down through to
to Drew as well, and and and even even tell
you they're they're learning to slow the game down and
understand processing things as opposed it's just going to be
an athlete on the field at some at some point
in time, the talent level is going to eat well. Yeah,
(06:22):
and you better have something. You better have something from
a middle standpoint that will allow you to to be great.
And that's the one thing that I think the guys
are starting to see from a preparation standpoint. Uh, And
Devo is going his approach is trying to slow the
game down. Meletley, we talk through formations, we talk the splits,
We talked through the small things, which.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Gives him a chance to go out and play fast.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So you mentioned Javon Holland coming over and you know
him being a veteran and and a and a good leader.
And then you've got your Tyler Newban who's still kind
of learned some things coming in his second year. How
does having both sides of the spectrum on that, how
does that help you guys as a coach in terms
of just being able to do different schemes, different you know,
(07:06):
different packages.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
From a cover standpoint, well, you got guys that one
that are one of physical both are physical, and one
have the athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But I was just hardb on what I've seen from
Tyler Nuban.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I mean, this young man has been impressive, like from
a leadership standpoint, from a work ethics standpoint, and well,
you got two guys that understand football. They're trying to
expand themselves beyond just the simplicity of the game. They're
trying to expand to being a four dimensional football player.
And when you have two guys that have the ability
(07:39):
to cover, to tackle in space, and to do the
things and to process the game in the manner that
they both do, it definitely gives you a chance to
go be successful.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Well, I'll tell you what I think. The Giants are
excited to have you here. Yeah, I know you got
a lot of knowledge, and of course you know it
always helps to have an another Golden domer.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, coach, I appreciate it. Thanks
you having the time.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, er hang will you.
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Speaker 3 (08:19):
Puddle up, get in here.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the
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Speaker 2 (08:25):
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Speaker 4 (08:27):
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how are.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You doing doing all right?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Welcome to the Giants, one man.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Glad that you We had some good battles when you're
down ninety five in Washington.
Speaker 8 (08:47):
Uh huh, yeah, man, that was that was some good
times eight years down there.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, well, you look good in Blue man.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I appreciate it. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
So what's it been like coming to the Giants and
now kind of getting to know some of the guys
in the running back room and some of the guys
on offense.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
You know, it's been a good experience for me, you know,
coming back from college, getting back to the NFL, kind
of getting back to where it all started, at least
for me, being back in this division where it's familiar
territory and getting to know the guys in the room.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's a good group of guys. So it's been great
so far.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
How did you get into coaching, Like, when did you decide,
you know what, this is what I want to do
and where did you get your first start?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So?
Speaker 8 (09:24):
I started off doing NFL prep camps. Troy Vincent, who
was with NFL PA at the time, was doing camps
across the country. I jumped in with him and started
doing I was offensive coordinator for him, and that's kind
of really what sparked it. I really just got into
it because he needed some help and I got in
there and it took off from there, started doing high
school ball and then finally made the jump up to
college and now here I am.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So you had a little oc position there and that probably,
you know, helped you now as you're you know, kind
of moving in and learning different offenses, right as a
former running back yourself. How is it hard to coach
guys on certain things that came easy to you.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Well, the good thing about it is most of the
guys this level are pretty talented already. I think it
was a little bit more challenging, especially in college, because
you're kind of teaching some guys and nuances of the
game that maybe don't.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Know the ins and outs of running back, right.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
But to answer your question directly, yeah, a lot of
these guys kind of kind of know the ins and
out a little bit more so now it's about refining
those skills, making sure they know the finer details of
the position, which, like I said, it's a good group
a couple veteran players, so makes the transition easy.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, you got some vets, got some fresh legs too.
But Tyron Tracy, you've actually known him a long time.
You guys were in Iowa together, correct.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
We were my first year when I went back to
Iowa to coach, Tracy was there. He was playing receiver
at the time, so I was around him for a year.
Never worked directly with him other than kickoff returner, you know,
but saw him in practice all the time. He was
still a receiver. Got to know him a little bit,
but you know, he wasn't in my position room.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know you were surprised when he moved
the running back after and receiver throughout his career. What
when you're when you look at running backs, like, what
are things that you really look for when you're trying
to figure out like, all right, this guy has these
special skills.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Well, I look for vision, you know, a guy that
has natural instincts because to me, you have to have
the vision. You have to be able to see the cut,
and then from there it's the agility. Can you put
that that the vision that you see? Can you make
those cuts actually happen? So can a guy make a
guy miss? You know how tough is he?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Does?
Speaker 8 (11:30):
He break tackles? All those things? So again I'm looking
at vision. I'm looking at natural instincts, feel for where
the hole is going to be, and can you make
something more than what is blocked for you?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So when you say vision, you know, just so you know,
for for fans, it's not just you know, hey, twenty
twenty vision, it's right, all right?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Can you read the defense exactly? See where the alignment is?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Because pre snap, there's pre styn vision, right and then
post snap. So how do you help somebody get better
at that?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
What one?
Speaker 8 (12:03):
You have to be able to understand the intent of
the play. Are we trying to get outside? Are we
trying to get inside? And if we're trying to get
back inside, how are we setting that up? You know,
you have to set up your offense alignment. So to me,
the vision starts with understanding where the intent of the
play is supposed to be. And then from there, once
they understand where it's supposed to be, can you make
it happen? Do you have the natural instincts to make
it happen? And set your your blockers up? And if
(12:25):
you do, now what do you do with it once
you once you see what you need to do?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Are you able to make a guy missed? Are you
able to break the tackles? You know? So on and
so forth. So those are kind of the progression of
what I look at.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, and you mentioned breaking tackles, So what is the
what are the art behind breaking tackles?
Speaker 8 (12:41):
There's no art behind that to me, that that comes
with the with the runner. I mean, you have to
have good pad level, good leg drive. You know, there
has to be some natural you know, ability that you
were born with. But other than that, it's just sheer
one two. A guy that's got good contact balance and toughness.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, since we're talking about breaking tackles, we've got to
bring right. I mean, he's he's already a fan favorite.
I can already hear the cheers when he comes out
for his first trading camp practice. The first time he
breaks the tackle, they're going to go nuts. Right, Well,
what did you like about Cam coming out?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
The contact balance, you know, the ability to break tackles.
To me, a guy that doesn't concede the fact that
he's going to get tackled. You know, just because a
guy is there doesn't mean he's going to make the play.
And to me, those are usually the best guys that
are in terms of breaking tackles. Those are guys that
are better at it that just they just don't concede
the run. They're not They're not going to accept that
you're going to tackle me. You have to go actually
tackle me. And I think he's that kind of a runner.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, I know, giants fans can't wait to see him,
you know, run somebody over. I think they'd rather see
him truck somebody that score touched. I think he said
it himself, right, But I know one of the biggest
challenges and you know, look, even you know back when
we were playing too it was like, look, third down
is a totally different beast, Like that's a different animal.
How do you get them ready when you're a young
(13:56):
player likes Catabo, how do you how do you prepare
him to be ready to pick up all of the
blitzes and handle all of the mental aspects that you
have to on third down.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
A lot of it starts in the classroom. One you
have to know who to block, you have to understand
what our protection schemes are. And then two you have
to go out there and practice and do it because
you have to hear the calls from the offensive line,
whether the quarterback switching the calls at the line of
scrimmage based on the defensive front that he's seeing. So
a lot of it is repetition, but it initially starts
in the classroom, like understanding who my responsibility is. And
(14:29):
then from there we have to go out on the
field and again repid like I said, but they also
got to work on the technique.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So you come to the Giants, obviously it's probably a
new offense for you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yes, completely.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
What was that like for you to have to all
of a sudden, I've got to learn a new offense
so that I can regurgtitate it and teach it to
the guys who have already been doing it for the
last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's challenging.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
But if you've played football as long as long as
I haven't been around the game as long as I have,
I've been in multiple offenses. I had three four different
head coaches I was an NFL player. I mean I
had a high school offense. I had a college offense,
four different offenses in the pros. I've coached and implemented
my own offenses as a high school coach. Had more
when I got the iowas so it. You know, you
(15:11):
learn eventually that there's only so many plays that you
can run for all. It's just a matter what do
you call it versus what.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Do I call it?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, And when you are looking at kind of your
running backs and you're watching film from last year and
kind of what they've done in the past, do.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You recognize like, Okay, you know what, this guy is
a better downhill runner.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He's better at hitting the front side a gap or
cutting back to the backside of a gap, whereas this
guy's more of a slasher.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I got to get him on outside zones.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
You do you get a feel for that by watching
the tape, And to me, I think you get even
better field once you start working with these guys in person,
which I've had the ability to do over the last
what for four weeks. You get out there and practice,
see him move around, see him do some drills, and
you get a better feel for what they're more capable
of it. And I don't worry about what a guy
can't do. I worry about what he can do.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
All right, let's talk about points of pressure. What's our
what's our coja point.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
We got some young fans that are going to be
watching this, some young ball carriers.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
What do they have to know about keeping that ball
hind tight?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Okay, we preached five points of pressure. Really it starts
with four and then the fifth is always double in trouble.
But the first one is we call the tip, you know,
fingertips on the tip of that football. The second one
is forearm flush on the forearm, third is bicep in
and across the chest on the rib cage is number four.
And then fifth we always double in trouble, double in trouble.
I like that, So we secure the ball and double
in trouble for the fifth one. Yeah, keep that rock
(16:31):
hind tight until it's silly time. Right, Absolutely, you can't
score without the football.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Right, No amen, amen to that. Coach Betts appreciate the time. Man,
absolutely good luck this year.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Thank you,
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