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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into a Week twelve rapid reaction on the Giants
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react to the Giants Week twelve loss to the Lions
in Detroit thirty four to twenty seven is your final
in overtime, But Sean, that doesn't really tell the story
because the Giants led the entirety of the game. The
Lions didn't have a lead until that overtime touchdown Jamior
Gibbs going sixty nine yards untouched to take a lead.
They wouldn't look back from.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, I think we're all a little bit mad right now, Maddie,
and I think when you look at this game and
nobody expected a shootout like that, Like when you look
at the score and you know both offenses five hundred
plus yards. Look, the Detroit Lions were coming off a
clunker against Philly. The week before they scored nine points.
Their offense was abysmal, and yet their ground game was
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on point. You know, two hundred and nineteen yards rushing
for Jamier Gibbs. That was, you know, a big part
of their production. But this Giants team getting on this
plane right now, they've got to be scratching their heads, like,
what more do we have to do to win a
football game? What more could Jameis Winston have done? I
felt like this game was everything was going right to
your point. They scored the opening drive, they did not
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relinquish the lead until overtime, and they everything worked. The
gadget plays worked. The run game in the second half
started to work, started to have some teeth. Jameis Winston
was painting both sides of the plate like a pitcher
out there with the way he was orchestrating throws over
defenders to the sideline, even catching one himself and mossing
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someone on his way to the end zone. So this
offensive production, you know, when you score twenty seven points
like that, you know it should equate a win. But
again it's the Giants finding a way to lose a
game with in a totally different manner than we've ever
seen before.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right, And I mean you mentioned the offensive production. This
is the first time the Lions have given up three
hundred yards passing all season. Giants put twenty seven points
on the board against a very good Lions team. Hindsight,
of course, is twenty twenty and there's a lot of
moments you could look back thinking if that one had
gone another way. But a big one in this game,
Sean is you know, late in the game, the Giants
up twenty seven to twenty four on fourth down and six,
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Mike Kafka chooses to go for it, trying to get
a touchdown to really extend the lead with about just
under three minutes to play. Instead of kicking a field goal,
they don't convert on fourth down and give the Lions
back the ball with about you know, two point fifty
eight in on the clock and a long field but
again only needing a field goal, and Jake Bates hits
a career long fifty nine yard field goal that ties
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a Lions franchise record to send this one to overtime.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know, Mike Kafka did a great job coaching in
this game. Yeah, I thought everything that he did, the
patients with the run game, finding the right time to
call a flea flicker pass. You know the gadget plays,
you know everything, you know, even the touchdown throw. The
Jamis went and through to Isaiah Hodgins. They called time out.
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It was third and seven. Let's make sure we had
the right play, didn't rush into it. Saved Jamis on
a delay of game penalty later on in the game,
calling time out right before we got that. We should
be celebrating what Mike Kafka, what Jameis Winston, what this
offense did. But because of that one decision, the outcome
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of this game completely got turned upside down. And there
are people that are looking at this as well. That
was an aggressive decision, and Mike cap even said, I'm
going to be aggressive. And there's a difference between being
aggressive and being reckless. And in that situation, I don't
if you're coaching in high school, in college or the NFL,
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if you're up three and your fourth and goal on
the six, take the points. Fourth and goal on the
one or fourth and goal on the two is a
totally different can of worms. And now I think you
being aggressive on fourth and one on the one yard line,
you don't get it now they're on the six inch line,
so now they're backed up. Maybe you get a safety
out of it. So that is a totally different decision.
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But given the Giants struggles in the red zone this
year offensively fourth and sixth, I don't know what the
percentage is of going for that, but you know if
you kick the field goal there, then you completely change
what Detroit has to do when they get their next possession.
Now they can't settle for a fifty nine year field goal.
Now they can't be conservative and just kind of take
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their time as they plod down the field. They have
to find a way to get down into the red
zone themselves and take a shot at the end zone.
So you kind of make them one dimensional in that capacity.
So I will go to the bank on that one.
You have to take the field goal every single time
in that situation.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Get in here, if you're lined up here, you got
to go over the middle with at the score great.
How do we make that happen?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
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Speaker 1 (05:10):
Have to take the points to give them a longer
field and trust your defense in that situation. Now you
know we mentioned the game that Mike Kafka called though,
and he was in his bag with the creativity and
the trick plays, starting with that opening drive a flea
flicker to Wandale Robinson, who had an incredible start to
the game. We also saw, as you mentioned, Jameis Winston
catching not only his first career reception, his first career
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touchdown pass Gunnar Oschewski throwing his first career pass to
give the Giants a twenty seven to seventeen lead late
in the game. But we got to talk about the
way that this one started because the Giants have been
coming out aggressive. They had six opening drive touchdowns so
far this season, and that one on a trick play,
on a gadget play really energized this team and energized
one Dale Robinson, it seemed, who had one hundred and
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six yards in the first quarter alone, not in the game,
the first quarter, one hundred and six yards. No other
offensive player, another player in the National Football League has
had one hundred more yards in the first quarter of
a game, and no Giants player has done it since
December eleventh, twenty eleven, when Hakeem Nicks had one hundred
and five yards in the first quarter of that game.
But the way that this team started out there Sean
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on the offensive side of the ball especially and on defense,
really was electric.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it was a great start, and that's exactly what
you want to do on the road when you're in
an environment like you know, the Detroit Stadium is four field.
You know, look it's loud, and you want to kind
of get him on there on their hands that play call.
There's so many things that have to go right, and
I think Wandell did a great job of selling the
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fact that he wasn't running a route. So it originally
started out as a toss, right, so they tossed to
I think it was Singletary. So they tossed the Singletary
looks like a toss, and he's actually kind of jogging
in like he's going to dig out the safety, and
then when the safety runs by him, that's when he
starts accelerating and running behind the defense. So he did
a great job being an actor and selling that portion
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of it. But those type of plays, you know, you
toss the ball to Singletary, then he's got to make
an accurate throw to Jamis and then John Michael Schmidz
actually did a really good job. He pulled around on
the left on that play, so they tossed it to
the right and JMS kind of snuck back to the
left to be kind of a personal protector for Jamis,
so we get that throw off. He got his hands
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on the defender right as Jamis was stepping aside to
make that throw. So there was a lot of things
in concert that had to work, had to work go
right in order for that play to work. And it did.
And when you get that kind of play, I mean
like it looked like they were in fun like this
Giants offense looked fun from a from a fans perspective,
it looked like they were having a good time play.
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And when you score a touchdown like that, everybody's energized.
Now the defense goes out there like, hey man, you know,
our offense is doing their thing. And I think everybody
was really invested in that the game after that first drive,
and it continued. You know, it wasn't just hey, we
had a good first drive and you know we're to
stop there. So they continued to make big plays. Jamis
continued to make big throws, and you know, I think
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one Dale had. He had a master day, nine catches
for one hundred and fifty six yards. I think THEO
had some really nice catches along the sidelines. Jamis spread
the ball around really well. Hodgens got involved in it.
THEO Wandelle. I think that, you know, the run game,
the patience that Mike Kafka showed with that those runs
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really started to come to fruition. In the second half
and especially in the fourth quarter, you could tell that
they were kind of starting to wear down the defense
a little bit and they were getting some really tough runs.
Devas Singletary and Tyro and Tracy.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Were Yeah, the offense was clicking today, over five hundred
yards offensively, twenty seven points on the board. You know
the defense also that you talk about the way that
the trick plays energized the offense, it energized the defense
as well, because it's just so much fun to see
that kind of stuff happening out there. We saw the
Giants defense getting pressure on the quarterback. Brian Burns, who
came into this game with the second most sacks in
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the league thirteen, didn't get one today. He had an
almost sack, but Golf scored it out of there. But
you had the rookie Darius Alexander getting too you had
Nacho Rakim Nuniaz Roaches getting a sack, and you also
saw Javon Holland having his first interception in a Giant's uniform,
a rare interception for Jared Goff kind of bounced off
the hands of Almon Ross Saint Brown. But there were
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some defensive moments where it seemed like, all right, this
unit is clicking, is thriving. They just couldn't finish once again.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, there was a couple of really good defensive stops
and you know, three of the first four possessions they
forced Detroit to punt, So that's exactly what you want
to do when you have offense that's kind of struggling
like they were coming into the game. So really the
line's offense didn't really start clicking until the end of
the game, you know, and that last couple drives in
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the fourth quarter and then of course the play in overtime.
But I thought the defensive line, when you look at
what the Detroit lines were trying to do, it was
we are not going to let Brian Burns wreck this game.
They had a tight end that was kind of chipping.
There were a couple of times where he had to
go out side of the tight end. He was seven
yards from the quarterback, and there was so much attention
on Burns that it enabled some of those interior guys
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to get some production. And I think Darius Alexander obviously
his two sacks, Nachell getting his sack. But on the
other side, Abdul Carter he had a number of pressures.
He didn't get any sacks, you know, but he was there.
He was he was kind of right at the quarterback.
You could he was kind of at golf's legs a
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couple of times, and you know, he was kind of
making an impact in a different way. But I think
the Giants defense, the ultimate thing that they have struggled
with this entire season is they've given up a lot
of big runs. And look, jimiir Gibbs is a talented guy.
He's one of those running backs where you can't let
him get going like you can't his speed. He's faster
than you think he is, and you can't simulate him
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during the week with your scout team running back because
he's got a different gear. And I think that's kind
of what ended up rearing its ugly head, especially there
in overtime, and those big play runs are things that
the Giants have struggled with all year, and it's really
you know, safety's got to come down with aggression. They
got to come down hard and you can't miss tackles.
Jumior Gibbs ran through a lot of arm tackles today.
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Speaker 1 (11:32):
What an incredible performance by Egremier Gibbs and a tough
one to defend right there for the Giants as they
turned around and once again back on the track for
a Week thirteen game. This one's prime time before the
Giants head into a Week fourteen by but Week thirteen
Monday Night Football at the New England Patriots is the
next one on deck. It's a big opponent right here,
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as a team that you know, last season had their struggles.
This season has turned it around already above five hundred,
Drake May having an mvy Pe candidate caliber season. This
is going to be a tough test for this Giants
team all the time time.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, well coached Patriots team led by Mike Vrabel. You know,
obviously his strength is defense, but they're also their team
that's not going to beat themselves. And Drake May is
having a phenomenal season. He's done a great job taking
care of the football, just six interceptions on the season,
twenty one touchdowns. You know, the ironic thing is matt
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On he leads the NFL in passing yards, but he
has yet to have a three hundred yard game, so
it's not like he's lighting it up. He's just been
very consistent and I think, you know, they just beat
the Cincinnati Bengals. He had a bad interception. He kind
of overthrew Hunter Henry and it was a lob pass.
He was just you know, poorly executed. But he's done
a really good job spreading the ball around Stefan Diggs.
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Their leading receiver. Hunter Henry, as I mentioned, has five touchdowns.
He's their second leading receiver receiver. So they're attacking the
middle of the field with Henry and then they're attacking
the perimeter with Stefan Diggs, and they've got a studrun
running back Tregon Henderson. So offensively, they're definitely they're a handful.
I think the one thing that I'm looking at is
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Drake May gets sacked a lot. He's been sacked thirty
seven times this season already, which is second most in
the league. That's not what you would think when you
think about the production they're having offensively, you wouldn't think
that would be the case, especially not with that offensive line.
So that's one area where I think they can look
to capitalize on it. But yeah, Monday Night Football, Look,
it's always Monday Night Football is kind of that's always
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the special game of the week. You know. I remember
being a kid and listening to John Madden and Pat
Summer all and the Monday Night Football theme music would
come on and you just kind of you get a
little bit geeked, you know. Of course, now we're conflicted
because you've got the Monday Night Football game on ESPN,
and you've also got Elian Payton, so you've got to
have two screens going so you can hear those two
buffoons talk about football option. But yeah, Monday Night Football,
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Giants Patriots. Yeah, this feels you know, this feels like
real good football, even though we're looking at two teams
that wreck wise or on two different ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Right, but the Giants are a very good, two inten team, right,
they have.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Got is that possible? We listen, They're the best too
intent team I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
They are through three quarters so close. They are just
this close, and that's the hardest thing is almost almost
getting there, almost getting the wins. We'll see if they
can close that gap between you know, very good and
excellent on Monday Night football, and if they do on primetime,
that would be great to go into the by with
a win over the Patriots. But again, you know what
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that's is why they play the game. Anything can happen.
All my rowdy friends are here on Monday Night. You,
me and Amani Tumor will be rowdy friends on the
television post game show. And then we'll have another rapid
reaction after that one. But that's concluding your Week twelve
rapid reaction thirty four to twenty seven. The final score
in overtime as the Lions get the win over the
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visiting Giants. For the Super Bowl champion Sean O'Hara, I'm
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