May 27, 2025 • 20 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk chats with Purdue’s offensive line coach from 2023-2024, Marcus Johnson. He talks about coaching Marcus Mbow, how his technique developed, and how he can fit into the Giants offensive line room.
:00 - Marcus Mbow’s mindset and technique
4:08 - Mbow’s footwork
8:19 - Playing against Abdul Carter
14:00 - Mbow’s development
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
Keep getting better, John Schmulk with you as we continue
to talk to some of the college coaches of the
Giants drafted players this year. And now we're going to
turn our attention to the Giants fifth round pick Marcus Bow.
And we welcome in Marcus Johnson, his offensive line coach
at Purdue in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.
And now we welcome in the offensive line coach for
Purdue in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Now,
(00:38):
as you can see from the red Quarter, Zippi's were
and now an analyst for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He got it. He is Marcus Johnson. Marcus, good to
talk to you about.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
How are you doing well? How about it so doing well?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Very excited to talk to you about about Marcus Bow.
We are inundated with Marcus. This here we got Marcus
to coach. Marcus the player. I talked to Marcus Sadderfield,
who was the coach for Thomas Vedoni in Nebraska yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We've got a bunch of Marcus is runner up in here.
What you like? So tell me about Marcus Bow.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Give me your thumbnail of him as a player in
your experience coaching him on the old line for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
He's the fun guy to coach, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
He's he's a positive, upbeat young man, you know, a
fun spirited guy.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
He's he's he's he's a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Joiner and a pleasure to be here around every day.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You know, he always comes in ready to work, has
the right mindset and the right mentality, you know, and uh,
he wants to get better.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
He wants to be the best of this position, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
So you know he's he's a fun guy to coach.
He's very coachable, you know, he's he's easy to love man.
And one of the reasons I say he's easy to
coach is because when I first got to Purdue, he
was a from a past pro standpoint, he was a
very dominant inside hang guy, and you know, I had
(02:01):
to explain to him about the importance of using his
outside hand and independent hands strikes. And you know, I
think because of the success that he saw with it
early on, he had a great belief in it, Man,
and in which he started relying on a lot in
his past pro fundamentals. And he's an awesome dude to
(02:22):
work with. Man, he's a smart kid, sharp football like
you guy, He's a football guy, even though he has
a basketball background, you know, extremely athletic.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I think he can he can recover and get out
of some bad situations, you know, and do some things
that you that you can't coach.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's just God given the ability in DNA, if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So I love working with both Man tremendous young men
and uh. I think his best days ahead of him,
in my opinion, and.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
We're excited to see him have them here with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
All right, you touched on some offensive line technique stuff,
which I love, So why don't we get into that first,
Mark Marcus, I think that's really a fun thing to
attack here. When you got there, he had started to
guard the previous year at right guard, correct, and then
you moved him out to right tackle. So talk to
me about the type of technique changes you talked about
the inside and outside and stuff. What are the things
(03:17):
that you have to work with him on to make
that move from guard out the tackle.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well, first off, I thought Bo was a really good
guard in my opinion, as a as a red shirt
freshman at that time, you know, and coming to Purdue.
You know, I thought he had a tackle skill set
because of his feet and his athleticism. You know, we
needed that at that position, man. So that was one
(03:42):
of the reasons. One of the reasons that I ended
up moving him outside the tackle was essentially out of necessity,
you know, And it worked out pretty well for him
in my opinion. But I think he did some things naturally.
I think both can do a lot of things naturally.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Again, you meet speak on him being able to recover
and get.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Out of bass situations, which are things you can't coaches,
just god given ability.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So I think the football thing kind of comes to
him naturally, especially with him still being a relatively young
player at the offensive line position.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, absolutely, And you talk about things coming to him naturally, coach,
you mentioned it. He was the starting center on a
state championship basketball team in high school, and you talked
about his feet, like you see that with his feet right,
his ability to get out.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
There and kick.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
He moves his feet really well, which you know, I
think that's one of the reasons why the Giants are
starting him out of tackle here because they think he
can just move his feet so well. How much does
that basketball background you think help build the base for
him as an offensive lineman with those quick feet to
be able to handle some of those speed rushers outside.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well, just like you just said, I think that's part
of that naturalness that comes to him from the basketball
court and bringing it to the football field, because you know,
I explained to guys all the time that's all past
pro is for me from a ground up standpoint. It's
just ladderer movement and sliding your feet and keeping your
hips in front of the defenders hip if you will,
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you know, just standing in front of you guys.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So just like playing defensive basketball, right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
That's exactly what it is, without you know, putting the
hands and all of that stuff into it. That's all
it is, man, is basketball on the football field and.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Just moving and sliding your feet.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And thank God that he had that basketball background, which
is one of the reasons why I think tackle came
pretty naturally to him once I got to Purdue.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then talk about some of the hand stuff. So
some of that technique part of it that that that
you worked with on, worked with him on once you
got him out to tackle.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
So I believe, you know, in training guys and a
lot of ways when it comes to feet, hands right,
and to me, every every old linement is different in
my opinion, and I don't think that you train them
all the same. Here's some things that Bo could do
that I would never ask, you know, our left chapel
(06:11):
to do Purdue at other places, you know what I mean,
because of his ability, his athleticism and his ability. But
you know I trained those guys independent hands. I trained
them two hand strikes. Will work on different hand tea
techniques using independent hand.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know, I'm a big logo puncher, you.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Know what I mean, my outside hand going to the
outside logo, which you see BO does a lot, and
doing inside hand independent working independently as well, whether we
go outside hand logo and inside hand trap outside logo,
inside hand what I call fort lyft or outside hand
(06:55):
logo and inside hand swite, you know what I mean.
And I think you kind of see both mixes up
his technique with his hands a lot, as well as
his past sets a lot, because I'm a big believe
in mixing it up on your past sets, and I
don't think Bow has been one of the better old
lineman that I've been fortunate to coach, and mixing up
(07:16):
his technique and fundamentals in which I think he displays
on tape all the time, because to me, I played
that game as well, and to me, I used to
think and say that the hardest D lineman the block
and one on one pass rush of the guys, that
he got a multitude of movements, right, you don't know
if he's gonna speed you a power or cross shop
or spinning or whatever that technique.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That D lineman made use.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So to me, why not us training the same fashion
as far as old line playing, mixing up our technique
and fundamentals so that that guy doesn't think that I'm
just a one way player if you will, you know,
and I think both did a nice shot of dis
playing that on tapement mixing up his technique and fundamentals,
whether it be his past sets or as a and
(08:00):
technique and fundamentals.
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(08:31):
I think you did a really nice job of that
one hundred percent. Let me go through the year really quickly.
That that that that you guys had to purdue. I'm
I'm taking a look at your schedule here and obviously
you're you're playing in the Big Ten, so you're gonna
have a lot of really really.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Tough pass rushers on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And you know, one team that that you guys did
play over the course of the year was the team
player that the Giants selected with the third overall pick,
and that was Abu A. You guys played them on
November sixteenth on to make sure you got the date right.
I know Carter lines up a lot over the left tackle.
I'm sure he spent some time over Bow as well.
How did you see that match up? And how did
(09:11):
Bow do verse quarter in that matchup?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
In that game?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yep, Carter's phenomenal player. One of the finest defensive ends
I've seen.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
He's really good, man, he is.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Over the last ten years, he's been one of the
top tier defensive end I've seen and my guys gone
and competed against. You know, like you said, he primarily
plays over the left tackle, and even in that game,
he primarily played over our left tackle, in which he
had a hell of a game that game, you know,
(09:43):
and doing enough even with him just god given ability.
You know, his play goes away from him and he's
chasing the ball, you know, fifteen to twenty yards.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Away from him and making the play on it. You know.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But I think he and Bow only had like three
or four reps to gain, you know what I mean.
It wasn't a ton of reps, and I felt like
Bow held his own, but again it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It just wasn't a ton of opportunities.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I guess for those two to go against each other
if you will. But I mean that guy's a phenomenal
player in his own right, you know, one of the
best that I've seen over the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Absolutely, And trust me, the Giants are our throat to
have gotten them when they did. What are some of
the matchups that if fans wanted to go back and
watch one of your games the last couple of years,
you know, line up against a great rusher that you
think fan should tune in and kind of see the
best of Mark.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But I think Bo I think Bow junior year man
before he got hurt. If you look at his first
six games that he started, I thought he was on
track to be one of the best in the country.
If you go back and look at those first six
games from twenty three nice, I thought he had a
really good game against Oregon. I thought was one of
(11:01):
his best games This past year. I thought he played
a really good game against nor the Dame. I think
I think bo Bow had a nice season.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
To be honest with you, I think he belongs in
my opinion, you know, I think he belongs in that league.
I think he wants to be in that league, and
I think he wants to be the best in what
he does.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Where do you think he's gonna fit in? Best in
the NFL? Will be out of tackle? Do you think
he can move and ships could go back to guard.
I've even heard some people talk about him because he's
so smart and he's got such good feet that he
could even play center.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Where do you think his natural fit would be on
the next level?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
To me, it depends on need.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
But I don't know what the Giants need, just like
for us when I first got to Purdue. Uh, I
thought he was a really good guard at that time,
but you know, we needed him to play right that
at that time. So I think I think Bo would
adjustin fit in and and whatever was given the time
to develop and get.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Reps at that particular position.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And for both, it doesn't matter to him wherever you
line him up at. He's gonna do what you ask
him to do. He's a team guy first man. So again,
to me, I think it goes back to where do
you need him man? And I think whatever position because
of that naturalness that he has, and he's still got
a even though he's got a basketball background athleticism, he's
(12:31):
got a football mentality. You know, he's a guy that's
freaking chasing the ball thirty forty yards down field when
the ball breaks the line of scrimmage, trying to go
go ear hold of safety, you know what I mean again,
And that's one of the reasons to me too, why
he's a fun player to work with in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You know, he was a bit We've mentioned it a
couple of times now basketball player in high school. My
understanding that he really didn't start lifting like in Arnist
until like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So how did he developing the weight room? For you?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And do you think he still was a lot more
room to grow in terms of gaining stress?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Dude, I do.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I don't know when he decided to commit himself to
the weight room. I've never asked him that question, but
I do think he does have.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Plenty of room to grow from a weight room standpoint.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, I don't even know his weight room numbers
off the top of my head, but I bet you
his numbers can definitely continue to improve. You know, I've
never seen him maxed out. I don't even know if
they maxed out from a weight room. Because I think
a lot of strength coaches are starting to get away
from that one rep.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Max.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, but I think Bo has plenty of rooms to
grow and develop in the weight room, especially again with
them being so young at the football old line position anyway,
you know, but that he didn't really start playing football
and getting into it until like his junior year in
high school.
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Speaker 3 (14:12):
So speaking of him still still figuring things out and
being a little you know, of a player that can
still develop, what are the next areas that you were
still working with him last years as he left Purdue
that you really think that he can still make an
improvement on to continue to kind of take that next
step in the league.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, I thought he's a pretty good run blocker, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think he's the guy that has some power, some
pop to him, and he can get movement at the
point of attack. One of the things that that I
wanted the team to work with him all.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Was versus tight techniques.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We were a big outside zonal stretch team, just working
against out tight techniques on his body and reaching those
guys just because he was so against our defense. You know,
we played a five down front and they using those
why non techniques. He was so used to running out
and chasing them that in practice we didn't really get
(15:07):
a lot of tight five.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Technique looks on them. You know.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It was just one of the things I wanted to
continue to work with in mong and then from a
pass pro standpoint, one of the things I used to
say to him is I think at times he guessed
on bull rushes and getting his feet back in the
anchoring position versus reacting to the.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Bull rush, you know what I mean, So more.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Reacts versus guessing and assuming that the guy is going
to power rushing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, And I wonder, Coach, and it's funny you bring
that up.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I wonder if that's because as he's still developing his
play strength, he felt maybe he was susceptible to the
bull rush. So he felt like maybe he was trying
to anticipate that a little bit, which which might explain
I think maybe trying to get into that a little
bit too early, right before the player shows it.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Possibly possibly, you know, but to me, football is a
game of reaction, and me, you said, according to your
technique based off his alignment and didn't play ball from there,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's definitely a game of reactions. You know, offense and.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Defense absolutely the one thing. And just a couple of
questions about his personality now talking to him, even right
after he got drafted, we did an interview with him.
That dude was dead ass calm, Like he was so
calm and like just together.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
He didn't even seem like super excited.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is that just kind of the the vibe and personality
he brings where he's kind of always in control and focused.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh, he's locked in, you know when it's time to
lock in, you know what I mean. I think when
when it's time to you know, laugh and giggle a
little bit. You know, he's ready for that. But when
it's time to lock in, you knows it's time to locke,
you know. And uh, I have an action post draft,
(16:59):
but I'm sure there was a slight bit of disappointment
as well, you know, sliding a little bit, if you will,
probably not going where he anticipated going. You know, at
least I know I anticipated him going somewhere around that
sacking round, you know. But like I texted him before
the draft, regardless of where you drafted, whether that the
(17:22):
top pick or free agency, it's not about where you start.
It's more important about how you finished. So once you
get that opportunity, man taking and run with it. So
he know what's up ahead of him and knowing Boe,
I know he's ready to attack this thing. So I'm
sure he went in and freaking attack mode if you will.
Once he once he got picked, he know its time
(17:44):
to work.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It was all fun and games for a minute, but
now now I got to dedicate myself to making this
roster for the next ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You know, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Is he like a vocal, raw raw leader type or
see more of a lead by example type.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I would say more lead by example, but he will
One of the things he used to do a really
good job of his coaching, like coaching the young guys,
you know what I mean, Or if you see things
on't going right, hey man, let's let's get this going.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't think he seeks the attention, but you know
when it's time for it, and I think people listen
to him because he's not a big, huge vocal guy.
You know, he's more of that lead by example guy.
But when it's time to say something, encourage or get
on somebody's ass, he can do that as well.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, I've coach absolutely I hear what you're saying. All right. Finally,
I like to ask all the coaches any.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Anecdotes, funny stories, or anything that that you had personal
experience with the Marcus that you think can really give
giant fans a feel for just like the type of
guy that the giants are getting in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I mean, get getting ready, a hard work a guy.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
The nasty guy that's gonna give you sacking at what
I call sacking and third effort. They you know, once
he takes care of business at the first level, he's
gonna try to make make a sacond and third effort
block you know what I mean, whatever it takes to
get to play strong.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So tremendous motor to.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Him, man, and I'm fired up and excited to watch
him continue to grow and progress.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, Marcus, good luck.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
We can't wait to get Marcus in the house here
to see how he works. I can't believe they let
an offensive lineman with with those feet last until the
fifth round.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I'm thrilled that they did.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Was the Giants manage to draft him there, and I
can't wait to see him play and good book at
Ohio State this year.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We appreciate the time, my friend.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Thank you, thank you appreciation. If you see Bow, please
tell him that I said.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Hello, Absolutely, coach, no problem, that's Marcus Johnson, Perdue offensive
line coach in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.
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Were in the Hackensack and Marine Health podcast studio.
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Keep getting better, John Schmulk with you as we continue
to talk to some of the college coaches of the
Giants drafted players this year. And now we're going to
turn our attention to the Giants fifth round pick Marcus Bow.
And we welcome in Marcus Johnson, his offensive line coach
at Purdue in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.
And now we welcome in the offensive line coach for
Purdue in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Now,
(00:38):
as you can see from the red Quarter, Zippi's were
and now an analyst for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He got it. He is Marcus Johnson. Marcus, good to
talk to you about.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
How are you doing well? How about it so doing well?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Very excited to talk to you about about Marcus Bow.
We are inundated with Marcus. This here we got Marcus
to coach. Marcus the player. I talked to Marcus Sadderfield,
who was the coach for Thomas Vedoni in Nebraska yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We've got a bunch of Marcus is runner up in here.
What you like? So tell me about Marcus Bow.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Give me your thumbnail of him as a player in
your experience coaching him on the old line for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
He's the fun guy to coach, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
He's he's a positive, upbeat young man, you know, a
fun spirited guy.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
He's he's he's he's a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Joiner and a pleasure to be here around every day.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You know, he always comes in ready to work, has
the right mindset and the right mentality, you know, and uh,
he wants to get better.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
He wants to be the best of this position, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
So you know he's he's a fun guy to coach.
He's very coachable, you know, he's he's easy to love man.
And one of the reasons I say he's easy to
coach is because when I first got to Purdue, he
was a from a past pro standpoint, he was a
very dominant inside hang guy, and you know, I had
(02:01):
to explain to him about the importance of using his
outside hand and independent hands strikes. And you know, I
think because of the success that he saw with it
early on, he had a great belief in it, Man,
and in which he started relying on a lot in
his past pro fundamentals. And he's an awesome dude to
(02:22):
work with. Man, he's a smart kid, sharp football like
you guy, He's a football guy, even though he has
a basketball background, you know, extremely athletic.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I think he can he can recover and get out
of some bad situations, you know, and do some things
that you that you can't coach.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's just God given the ability in DNA, if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So I love working with both Man tremendous young men
and uh. I think his best days ahead of him,
in my opinion, and.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
We're excited to see him have them here with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
All right, you touched on some offensive line technique stuff,
which I love, So why don't we get into that first,
Mark Marcus, I think that's really a fun thing to
attack here. When you got there, he had started to
guard the previous year at right guard, correct, and then
you moved him out to right tackle. So talk to
me about the type of technique changes you talked about
the inside and outside and stuff. What are the things
(03:17):
that you have to work with him on to make
that move from guard out the tackle.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well, first off, I thought Bo was a really good
guard in my opinion, as a as a red shirt
freshman at that time, you know, and coming to Purdue.
You know, I thought he had a tackle skill set
because of his feet and his athleticism. You know, we
needed that at that position, man. So that was one
(03:42):
of the reasons. One of the reasons that I ended
up moving him outside the tackle was essentially out of necessity,
you know, And it worked out pretty well for him
in my opinion. But I think he did some things naturally.
I think both can do a lot of things naturally.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Again, you meet speak on him being able to recover
and get.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Out of bass situations, which are things you can't coaches,
just god given ability.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So I think the football thing kind of comes to
him naturally, especially with him still being a relatively young
player at the offensive line position.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, absolutely, And you talk about things coming to him naturally, coach,
you mentioned it. He was the starting center on a
state championship basketball team in high school, and you talked
about his feet, like you see that with his feet right,
his ability to get out.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
There and kick.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
He moves his feet really well, which you know, I
think that's one of the reasons why the Giants are
starting him out of tackle here because they think he
can just move his feet so well. How much does
that basketball background you think help build the base for
him as an offensive lineman with those quick feet to
be able to handle some of those speed rushers outside.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well, just like you just said, I think that's part
of that naturalness that comes to him from the basketball
court and bringing it to the football field, because you know,
I explained to guys all the time that's all past
pro is for me from a ground up standpoint. It's
just ladderer movement and sliding your feet and keeping your
hips in front of the defenders hip if you will,
(05:12):
you know, just standing in front of you guys.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So just like playing defensive basketball, right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
That's exactly what it is, without you know, putting the
hands and all of that stuff into it. That's all
it is, man, is basketball on the football field and.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Just moving and sliding your feet.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And thank God that he had that basketball background, which
is one of the reasons why I think tackle came
pretty naturally to him once I got to Purdue.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then talk about some of the hand stuff. So
some of that technique part of it that that that
you worked with on, worked with him on once you
got him out to tackle.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
So I believe, you know, in training guys and a
lot of ways when it comes to feet, hands right,
and to me, every every old linement is different in
my opinion, and I don't think that you train them
all the same. Here's some things that Bo could do
that I would never ask, you know, our left chapel
(06:11):
to do Purdue at other places, you know what I mean,
because of his ability, his athleticism and his ability. But
you know I trained those guys independent hands. I trained
them two hand strikes. Will work on different hand tea
techniques using independent hand.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know, I'm a big logo puncher, you.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Know what I mean, my outside hand going to the
outside logo, which you see BO does a lot, and
doing inside hand independent working independently as well, whether we
go outside hand logo and inside hand trap outside logo,
inside hand what I call fort lyft or outside hand
(06:55):
logo and inside hand swite, you know what I mean.
And I think you kind of see both mixes up
his technique with his hands a lot, as well as
his past sets a lot, because I'm a big believe
in mixing it up on your past sets, and I
don't think Bow has been one of the better old
lineman that I've been fortunate to coach, and mixing up
(07:16):
his technique and fundamentals in which I think he displays
on tape all the time, because to me, I played
that game as well, and to me, I used to
think and say that the hardest D lineman the block
and one on one pass rush of the guys, that
he got a multitude of movements, right, you don't know
if he's gonna speed you a power or cross shop
or spinning or whatever that technique.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That D lineman made use.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So to me, why not us training the same fashion
as far as old line playing, mixing up our technique
and fundamentals so that that guy doesn't think that I'm
just a one way player if you will, you know,
and I think both did a nice shot of dis
playing that on tapement mixing up his technique and fundamentals,
whether it be his past sets or as a and
(08:00):
technique and fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
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you gotta go over the middle with at the score great.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
How do we make that happen? I don't know, Bud.
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(08:31):
I think you did a really nice job of that
one hundred percent. Let me go through the year really quickly.
That that that that you guys had to purdue. I'm
I'm taking a look at your schedule here and obviously
you're you're playing in the Big Ten, so you're gonna
have a lot of really really.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Tough pass rushers on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And you know, one team that that you guys did
play over the course of the year was the team
player that the Giants selected with the third overall pick,
and that was Abu A. You guys played them on
November sixteenth on to make sure you got the date right.
I know Carter lines up a lot over the left tackle.
I'm sure he spent some time over Bow as well.
How did you see that match up? And how did
(09:11):
Bow do verse quarter in that matchup?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
In that game?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yep, Carter's phenomenal player. One of the finest defensive ends
I've seen.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
He's really good, man, he is.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Over the last ten years, he's been one of the
top tier defensive end I've seen and my guys gone
and competed against. You know, like you said, he primarily
plays over the left tackle, and even in that game,
he primarily played over our left tackle, in which he
had a hell of a game that game, you know,
(09:43):
and doing enough even with him just god given ability.
You know, his play goes away from him and he's
chasing the ball, you know, fifteen to twenty yards.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Away from him and making the play on it. You know.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But I think he and Bow only had like three
or four reps to gain, you know what I mean.
It wasn't a ton of reps, and I felt like
Bow held his own, but again it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It just wasn't a ton of opportunities.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I guess for those two to go against each other
if you will. But I mean that guy's a phenomenal
player in his own right, you know, one of the
best that I've seen over the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Absolutely, And trust me, the Giants are our throat to
have gotten them when they did. What are some of
the matchups that if fans wanted to go back and
watch one of your games the last couple of years,
you know, line up against a great rusher that you
think fan should tune in and kind of see the
best of Mark.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
But I think Bo I think Bow junior year man
before he got hurt. If you look at his first
six games that he started, I thought he was on
track to be one of the best in the country.
If you go back and look at those first six
games from twenty three nice, I thought he had a
really good game against Oregon. I thought was one of
(11:01):
his best games This past year. I thought he played
a really good game against nor the Dame. I think
I think bo Bow had a nice season.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
To be honest with you, I think he belongs in
my opinion, you know, I think he belongs in that league.
I think he wants to be in that league, and
I think he wants to be the best in what
he does.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Where do you think he's gonna fit in? Best in
the NFL? Will be out of tackle? Do you think
he can move and ships could go back to guard.
I've even heard some people talk about him because he's
so smart and he's got such good feet that he
could even play center.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Where do you think his natural fit would be on
the next level?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
To me, it depends on need.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
But I don't know what the Giants need, just like
for us when I first got to Purdue. Uh, I
thought he was a really good guard at that time,
but you know, we needed him to play right that
at that time. So I think I think Bo would
adjustin fit in and and whatever was given the time
to develop and get.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Reps at that particular position.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And for both, it doesn't matter to him wherever you
line him up at. He's gonna do what you ask
him to do. He's a team guy first man. So again,
to me, I think it goes back to where do
you need him man? And I think whatever position because
of that naturalness that he has, and he's still got
a even though he's got a basketball background athleticism, he's
(12:31):
got a football mentality. You know, he's a guy that's
freaking chasing the ball thirty forty yards down field when
the ball breaks the line of scrimmage, trying to go
go ear hold of safety, you know what I mean again,
And that's one of the reasons to me too, why
he's a fun player to work with in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You know, he was a bit We've mentioned it a
couple of times now basketball player in high school. My
understanding that he really didn't start lifting like in Arnist
until like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So how did he developing the weight room? For you?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And do you think he still was a lot more
room to grow in terms of gaining stress?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Dude, I do.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I don't know when he decided to commit himself to
the weight room. I've never asked him that question, but
I do think he does have.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Plenty of room to grow from a weight room standpoint.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, I don't even know his weight room numbers
off the top of my head, but I bet you
his numbers can definitely continue to improve. You know, I've
never seen him maxed out. I don't even know if
they maxed out from a weight room. Because I think
a lot of strength coaches are starting to get away
from that one rep.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Max.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, but I think Bo has plenty of rooms to
grow and develop in the weight room, especially again with
them being so young at the football old line position anyway,
you know, but that he didn't really start playing football
and getting into it until like his junior year in
high school.
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Speaker 3 (14:12):
So speaking of him still still figuring things out and
being a little you know, of a player that can
still develop, what are the next areas that you were
still working with him last years as he left Purdue
that you really think that he can still make an
improvement on to continue to kind of take that next
step in the league.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, I thought he's a pretty good run blocker, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think he's the guy that has some power, some
pop to him, and he can get movement at the
point of attack. One of the things that that I
wanted the team to work with him all.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Was versus tight techniques.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We were a big outside zonal stretch team, just working
against out tight techniques on his body and reaching those
guys just because he was so against our defense. You know,
we played a five down front and they using those
why non techniques. He was so used to running out
and chasing them that in practice we didn't really get
(15:07):
a lot of tight five.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Technique looks on them. You know.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It was just one of the things I wanted to
continue to work with in mong and then from a
pass pro standpoint, one of the things I used to
say to him is I think at times he guessed
on bull rushes and getting his feet back in the
anchoring position versus reacting to the.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Bull rush, you know what I mean, So more.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Reacts versus guessing and assuming that the guy is going
to power rushing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, And I wonder, Coach, and it's funny you bring
that up.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I wonder if that's because as he's still developing his
play strength, he felt maybe he was susceptible to the
bull rush. So he felt like maybe he was trying
to anticipate that a little bit, which which might explain
I think maybe trying to get into that a little
bit too early, right before the player shows it.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Possibly possibly, you know, but to me, football is a
game of reaction, and me, you said, according to your
technique based off his alignment and didn't play ball from there,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's definitely a game of reactions. You know, offense and.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Defense absolutely the one thing. And just a couple of
questions about his personality now talking to him, even right
after he got drafted, we did an interview with him.
That dude was dead ass calm, Like he was so
calm and like just together.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
He didn't even seem like super excited.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is that just kind of the the vibe and personality
he brings where he's kind of always in control and focused.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh, he's locked in, you know when it's time to
lock in, you know what I mean. I think when
when it's time to you know, laugh and giggle a
little bit. You know, he's ready for that. But when
it's time to lock in, you knows it's time to locke,
you know. And uh, I have an action post draft,
(16:59):
but I'm sure there was a slight bit of disappointment
as well, you know, sliding a little bit, if you will,
probably not going where he anticipated going. You know, at
least I know I anticipated him going somewhere around that
sacking round, you know. But like I texted him before
the draft, regardless of where you drafted, whether that the
(17:22):
top pick or free agency, it's not about where you start.
It's more important about how you finished. So once you
get that opportunity, man taking and run with it. So
he know what's up ahead of him and knowing Boe,
I know he's ready to attack this thing. So I'm
sure he went in and freaking attack mode if you will.
Once he once he got picked, he know its time
(17:44):
to work.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It was all fun and games for a minute, but
now now I got to dedicate myself to making this
roster for the next ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You know, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Is he like a vocal, raw raw leader type or
see more of a lead by example type.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I would say more lead by example, but he will
One of the things he used to do a really
good job of his coaching, like coaching the young guys,
you know what I mean, Or if you see things
on't going right, hey man, let's let's get this going.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't think he seeks the attention, but you know
when it's time for it, and I think people listen
to him because he's not a big, huge vocal guy.
You know, he's more of that lead by example guy.
But when it's time to say something, encourage or get
on somebody's ass, he can do that as well.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, I've coach absolutely I hear what you're saying. All right. Finally,
I like to ask all the coaches any.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Anecdotes, funny stories, or anything that that you had personal
experience with the Marcus that you think can really give
giant fans a feel for just like the type of
guy that the giants are getting in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I mean, get getting ready, a hard work a guy.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
The nasty guy that's gonna give you sacking at what
I call sacking and third effort. They you know, once
he takes care of business at the first level, he's
gonna try to make make a sacond and third effort
block you know what I mean, whatever it takes to
get to play strong.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So tremendous motor to.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Him, man, and I'm fired up and excited to watch
him continue to grow and progress.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, Marcus, good luck.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
We can't wait to get Marcus in the house here
to see how he works. I can't believe they let
an offensive lineman with with those feet last until the
fifth round.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I'm thrilled that they did.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Was the Giants manage to draft him there, and I
can't wait to see him play and good book at
Ohio State this year.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We appreciate the time, my friend.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Thank you, thank you appreciation. If you see Bow, please
tell him that I said.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Hello, Absolutely, coach, no problem, that's Marcus Johnson, Perdue offensive
line coach in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.
Thank you for joining us on the Giants Little Podcast,
brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We'll continue to try to talk to more coaches as
we roll through here and.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Get some insight on the Giants entire draft class.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
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