July 11, 2025 • 16 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, Shaun O’Hara chats with the Giants Secondary Coach and Pass Game Coordinator, Marquand Manuel, and Outside Linebackers Coach, Charlie Bullen, about their units and the upcoming season.
:00 - Marquand Manuel
9:00 - Charlie Bullen
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time to get inside the Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let's go Giants. I like it. Out of the Giants, bubbling,
give me some job. Part of the Giants podcast Network's
a long time. We go way back, man, back through
our Battle of Ohio days.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh Man, the Bengals, me with the Browns. Oh Man,
that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, man, lots of change now, lots have changed a
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You're coaching out for the Giants. Welcome to the g Men.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh Man. Appreciate it, Man, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So you've been down the street a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I have, I have, man, but uh but.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I got to ask you titles, right, all right, So
you're a secondary coach, but you're also the past game coordinator, Yes,
so define what does a past game coordinator do and
what like? What are some of your obligations as that coordinator?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well as the coordinator.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Basically, I always talk about it from this standpoint, understanding
all the concepts and things that happened in the passing game,
coordinating with Shane to make everything that he implements come
to life, so that we're all on the same page,
understanding all the small details. That is no conversation that
goes unmissed, no technique that goes unspoken about those things.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So it's really when.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You look at it from that perspective, it's like the
guy that basically puts the glue together with everything, making
sure that everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Right, So you I mean that whole scheme. I mean,
obviously when you were a player, you understood all those schemes.
They've changed a little bit with how they do some things,
but man, I mean, you were with DQ back in Seattle,
in Atlanta, and then obviously you were in Affiliate and
then with the Jets, so you've been you've been really
involved with the zone scheme. Right, How has that evolved
(01:49):
and how is that different than a man's scheme from.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The standpoint of zone.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Again, there's a lot of communication that happens in zone.
So from that perspective, we were, you know, being with
DQ heat all those guys, even with Jim, we understood
or making sure that you know formation recognition, route concepts,
the communications on every adjustment, those checks and those differences
when you're playing man, man is more of understanding the
(02:15):
picks and rubs and the situations that we can possibly
be in, and that communication that has to happen on
understanding what leverage and well.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
My help is and things of those in that nature.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
But I think the biggest thing and now with our
scheme now is that you know them being in year
two me being in year one with it, which is awesome.
It's a piggyback a little bit of what I did
when I was with.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Jim Schwartz and Philly.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
So it was kind of a combination of being able to,
you know, match zone principles that turn into man and
understanding that the verbage and the technique that need to
go along with it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Gotcha. So if a guy comes to you that has
played more man in college than zone, what's the biggest
challenge for him?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
The biggest challenge when he played more man less communication,
it's a little less.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You have your cat, I have my cat. I can
go play ball.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I didn't have to communicate, I didn't understand I didn't
have to understand the if his trips formation. If I
got number one, I didn't have to worry about two
or three. Now I have to understand that I communicate
across the board. If number one disappeared and I now
have the match number two, I'd have to communicate that
and those things I think you know, and it's again
it's always time on task and we have to make it.
(03:28):
It's always ten thousand times to get it right once,
so we have to practice it sort right.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And then that's what you guys going through now, right
cot What has it been like working with obviously you
got a couple of new guys in the secondary with
Javon holland with ad Bo. Having those veteran guys that
have done both. How does that help you?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
That has helped tremendously man, And I say that from
you know you and I know both from being a
players player, having played in multiple schemes with these guys
and you know, me and the Debo talked about it
all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's so funny on their free agent when they visited,
that's the first thing that we started talking about the
all right scheme wise, how we doing it? What are
we doing? What's my responsibilities? What I'm gonna be asked
to do? How detail are we what we need to
get into and where can I start?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And that's been really cool.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
On they've lived in a defense similar you know, both
of them and being having did have different coordinators. That's
been awesome from that perspective, and not the leadership coming
in when I'm in the meeting room and you know
this man when you walk in, like it's like all right,
I could start talking on the board, but they are like,
all right, so what if this happened?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Okay, that's just like this one okay, And they can
relate it to something that they've done and had success.
So it's been really cool man to have it. And
this is the part that you don't get all the time.
Is one at corner and one at safety right, that
are vocal.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you got both categories check.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So now let's talk about the young bucks.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You got Drew Phillips, you know, and Tyler Newban. What
is it been like having those guys that are a
little more impressionable because they're young, but you've also you know,
you kind of got to teach him some new things.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You know what The cool part about it is Nuban
is basically like Javon was when he was younger, so
he's seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I told him when I came here.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
We met previously on the recruiting trail when we all
you know, the draft and when he saw me, he
was like, I came on my interview.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
He was like, you hired.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I was like, yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens, but
I hope it works out.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But no, just excited.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
He loves football and just from that standpoint, it matches
with Holland.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And now they sit next to you.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I called him like, hey, these two guys, right, got
the two quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Sitting in the room, and now you know the things
that he learned in his first year.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know, in your first year, it's a lot that's
being thrown at you, and you know he's a cerebral
guy and he understands it. But now the match you
with Holland's experiences, so he doesn't have to live those.
That's been awesome just from ass projective Drew oh Man,
it's just so awesome because he was thrown into the
fire and now he learned a lot of football in
the first year. But he's still a sponge And that's
(06:03):
the cool part, Like having the debos in the world
that now understanding that you know, this is how I
apply certain techniques at certain times, not to over exert
myself on certain things.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
How to make sure that hey listen, a.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Great play happened, I need to move on to the
next A bad play happened. How do I focus on that?
What technique should I be using at this time? And
understanding situational awareness? That's been really cool on watching his development.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Short term memory, right, that's a must. You mentioned techniques,
so I'm curious, what are some fundamentals that you absolutely
have to have if you want to be a good
safety or kin that's safety.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
The first thing is you have to have great eye control.
I always tell everybody that the eye control. It's almost
like lineman. You guys got to not just the ball. Yeah,
I got to be able to see everything when it's
the opportunity for me to now be first, I'm the quarterback,
so I basically have to basically check the formation to
make sure everybody's aligned. Anything that's not uncovered. Tremendous ball skills.
When I say that here it is anything that possibly
(07:02):
gets on the back end. You gotta have range, but
you got to have ball skills and balls awareness. That's
the other thing that I talk about with safety, the
ability to now now in this new age, not when
we played it was more of the Robert Griffs of
the world that came Downhill and the cam Chancellors of
the world.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But now it's more of.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You have to be able to cover and that's the
other side. You have to be a corner and slash
nickel at safety. So those two things in tackling, like
we forget about it a lot, but that's the really
the biggest part. It gets past the D line. It's
our job to get it down and I always talk
about that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
From that perspective, that corner. What says cat coverage, You
got to own your cat. But you have to be
you have to be cerebral, you have to understand it. Zone. Man,
where's my matchups? You know too? We have guys that
are capable of playing.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Those, but the technique and discipline that it takes every
day to be that guy because the ball's coming at
you every play.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You have to have that mentality.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, and I feel like, you know, the game it's
much more pass oriented now, so it's that you know,
that's even more of a premium.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Now than definitely man, definitely, definitely definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well listen, man, the Giants are are excited to have you.
I know, Giants fans can't wait to see you and
your product out on the field and see your boys bawling.
We're looking for some takeaways.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh Man, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know, I'm sure you guys are working on some
new sellies for all of that. So glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Man, Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Man,
great talking to Thanks.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
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Speaker 3 (09:00):
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Speaker 1 (09:00):
Man, coach bowling? How are we doing doing all right?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
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Speaker 1 (09:04):
So outside linebacker coach right, that's the official title, that
role that is. I feel like it changes based on
the down. Right, So sometimes outside linebacker, you know, you
could be in a two point maybe on third down
you were at a three point though. Yep, right, So
how how has that role changed for you as a coach?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know, it is pretty.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Uh, you know, like we are involved. The great thing
about it is that position, like you said, is involved
with a lot of different parts of the game, from
rushing the passer to setting edges to dropping in coverage.
You can align on the ball, you can align off
the ball. So you know, I've just kind of tried
(09:44):
in my career to take it all in. I've had
experience as an assistant, you know, my earlier days when
I was assisting with the D line, assisting with the
inside backers. So yeah, I feel pretty good, and I'm
fortunate to have had some good training along the way,
and now you know my role as the outside backer
coach where I'm involved in both you know, coaching the
guys on on all those different parts of the game.
(10:06):
The evolution has kind of been natural, you know, and
it's been it's been good. And I've been around good
players and coaches and you know, appreciate the experience along
the way, and you know, here here we are.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well the experience along the way. I mean, this has
been an exciting off season for Giants fans, and but
for you in particular. I mean, when you get a
guy like Abduall Carter and it's kind of gift wrap
for you, all right, and now you got this shiny
new toy you get to go play with. I just
want to go and kind of go back to the
start of that, like where were you in that whole
process and at what point were you sold on? You know,
(10:39):
Abdul Carter is a guy that we got to have.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
There was a there was a it was early on
in the earlier than normal in the process.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Joe Shane actually texted me have you seen Abdul Carter yet?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I hadn't, you know, on.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Our typical uh off season timeline, we really weren't in
the College of valuations yet, you know. But I think
just given where we picked and the caliber player that
Abduel was, Joe just wanted to kind of throw a
shot out there to see if I watched.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Him, and I didn't.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
And that day, I mean this is in January, that
day I did watch him, and within two plays, I
was just wild by the ability and my answer was
an immediate yes, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So that was that was an easy one. To tell
based on the film.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
You know, we had to do our work in terms
of like getting a feel for the person and and
and the learning and all that, which which obviously checked out.
But I mean it's when you watch his tape and
watch him play as a player, like it's it's completely
obvious that he's just an incredible player, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And the one thing I've.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Told the people in the building and then you know,
even a duel as we started working together, is just
you know, before you even get into the skill involved
with him, which he has a lot of his natural
ability to finish as a player and to finish as
a rusher is really a big time separator for him
and something he just has. And you know, the great
(12:05):
ones I've been around have have had that, you know,
and he has it right now.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It was a little different process too during that phase
because he couldn't work out right, so he couldn't see
him at the combine. You couldn't go to a pro
day and watch him actually move. So the first time
you probably saw him live at action was here of practice.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Did everything transfer?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
And it really you know, drills are one thing, you know,
seeing people moving and around bags that can look a
certain way, and it was pretty and it was awesome.
But watching him in OTAs in eleven on eleven reps
playing football was when the biggest wild moment happened for me,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So, no, it's been great. It's been great to watch
him from day one.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well, that's great, and you throw him into the mix now.
You know, we were talking last year about the addition
of Brian Burns and what that was going to do
to that group and and you know with with TIBs
on the other side too, you know, how does bringing
a young guy into the group, how does that make
them better? And vice versa.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
I think young or old that just if you have
good players, that helps everybody, you know, and that's what
a duel is. He's a good player and again part
of just his natural feel for the game is what
makes him who he is. So while he's learning pro
technique and pro scheme and all those types of things,
and that'll take some time.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
There was a process involved with that, but he's.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Already a good player, you know, and that that will
help everybody around him. Burns helped compare, you know, complimenting
or pairing Burns and TIBs together.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Help you got decks out there.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
We had we had a great group last year, you know,
and so now you add another guy to that mix,
and it only amplifies everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, you got to be salivating when
it's when it's third down. You got to be salivating
when it's third day. Got to be salivating when it's
third down. And now it's like, all right, I get
all these guys on the field. This we found, this
is gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
It's fun as a coach to envision all the ways
we can deploy these guys.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
It's also we got to be careful as coaches and
not do too much, you know, at the end of
the day.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Uh, you know, it's got to be efficient form.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
The package has to be tight enough to where they
all can play fast. But no, I mean it's we
have that many good players and that many good rushers.
There's a lot of options. And we've we've we've had
a good time as coaches, you know, putting our best
thoughts together, and then even you know, the players going
out there and doing it, being the ones out there
doing it together. They've they've had success, and they've been
working well together. Their communication level is in a good
(14:43):
place right now. They've had to develop it. They'll have
to continue to develop it, but you know, in the
early stages of it, it's been it's been fun for everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
When you were looking back at Abdul Carter and you
kind of went back and watched him play linebacker, right
because he didn't really play defensive until his lifelast year.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, when you.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Get a guy like that, like, does that almost kind
of make him more athletic the fact that he was
playing in space, Yes, before he went down on the
defensive line.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yes, he has the he has the skills, temperament and
trades to play outside backer right now. But if a
player that can play on the edge has off the
ball training, it only expands their world. It gives him
a whole other level of understanding, a whole nother level
of skill set, you know, and he has that. I
had Hassan Reddick in Arizona and he was the same way,
(15:33):
played on the edge in college, played off the ball
at Arizona. Actually we moved them, you know, back to
the edge and his requisite training off the ball, then
putting them back on the ball helped him immensely, you know,
and that's kind of you know, they're both Philly area,
naturally born and raised, Hassan and Abdul, and I do
(15:54):
see some similarities there. But but yeah, in terms of
him playing off the ball and then now playing on
the edge completely helps him and completely gives Hi another
skill set which in turn, like you said, makes the
athleticism come to life even more.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah. Well, I'm sure you told him part of the
reason why we brought him here is to be Philly.
That's right, there we go.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's right. There's no doubt. He's all in now, he's
New York all the ways.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, thanks so much for
the time, man. Looking forward to seeing you guys on leash,
hell on the rest of the division and all these quarterbacks.
It's gonna be fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Absolutely same here.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I appreciate your brother. Yeah, no doubt.
It's time to get inside the Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let's go Giants. I like it. Out of the Giants, bubbling,
give me some job. Part of the Giants podcast Network's
a long time. We go way back, man, back through
our Battle of Ohio days.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh Man, the Bengals, me with the Browns. Oh Man,
that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, man, lots of change now, lots have changed a
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You're coaching out for the Giants. Welcome to the g Men.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh Man. Appreciate it, Man, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So you've been down the street a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I have, I have, man, but uh but.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I got to ask you titles, right, all right, So
you're a secondary coach, but you're also the past game coordinator, Yes,
so define what does a past game coordinator do and
what like? What are some of your obligations as that coordinator?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well as the coordinator.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Basically, I always talk about it from this standpoint, understanding
all the concepts and things that happened in the passing game,
coordinating with Shane to make everything that he implements come
to life, so that we're all on the same page,
understanding all the small details. That is no conversation that
goes unmissed, no technique that goes unspoken about those things.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So it's really when.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You look at it from that perspective, it's like the
guy that basically puts the glue together with everything, making
sure that everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Right, So you I mean that whole scheme. I mean,
obviously when you were a player, you understood all those schemes.
They've changed a little bit with how they do some things,
but man, I mean, you were with DQ back in Seattle,
in Atlanta, and then obviously you were in Affiliate and
then with the Jets, so you've been you've been really
involved with the zone scheme. Right, How has that evolved
(01:49):
and how is that different than a man's scheme from.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The standpoint of zone.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Again, there's a lot of communication that happens in zone.
So from that perspective, we were, you know, being with
DQ heat all those guys, even with Jim, we understood
or making sure that you know formation recognition, route concepts,
the communications on every adjustment, those checks and those differences
when you're playing man, man is more of understanding the
(02:15):
picks and rubs and the situations that we can possibly
be in, and that communication that has to happen on
understanding what leverage and well.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
My help is and things of those in that nature.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
But I think the biggest thing and now with our
scheme now is that you know them being in year
two me being in year one with it, which is awesome.
It's a piggyback a little bit of what I did
when I was with.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Jim Schwartz and Philly.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
So it was kind of a combination of being able to,
you know, match zone principles that turn into man and
understanding that the verbage and the technique that need to
go along with it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Gotcha. So if a guy comes to you that has
played more man in college than zone, what's the biggest
challenge for him?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
The biggest challenge when he played more man less communication,
it's a little less.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You have your cat, I have my cat. I can
go play ball.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I didn't have to communicate, I didn't understand I didn't
have to understand the if his trips formation. If I
got number one, I didn't have to worry about two
or three. Now I have to understand that I communicate
across the board. If number one disappeared and I now
have the match number two, I'd have to communicate that
and those things I think you know, and it's again
it's always time on task and we have to make it.
(03:28):
It's always ten thousand times to get it right once,
so we have to practice it sort right.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And then that's what you guys going through now, right
cot What has it been like working with obviously you
got a couple of new guys in the secondary with
Javon holland with ad Bo. Having those veteran guys that
have done both. How does that help you?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
That has helped tremendously man, And I say that from
you know you and I know both from being a
players player, having played in multiple schemes with these guys
and you know, me and the Debo talked about it
all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's so funny on their free agent when they visited,
that's the first thing that we started talking about the
all right scheme wise, how we doing it? What are
we doing? What's my responsibilities? What I'm gonna be asked
to do? How detail are we what we need to
get into and where can I start?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And that's been really cool.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
On they've lived in a defense similar you know, both
of them and being having did have different coordinators. That's
been awesome from that perspective, and not the leadership coming
in when I'm in the meeting room and you know
this man when you walk in, like it's like all right,
I could start talking on the board, but they are like,
all right, so what if this happened?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Okay, that's just like this one okay, And they can
relate it to something that they've done and had success.
So it's been really cool man to have it. And
this is the part that you don't get all the time.
Is one at corner and one at safety right, that
are vocal.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you got both categories check.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So now let's talk about the young bucks.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You got Drew Phillips, you know, and Tyler Newban. What
is it been like having those guys that are a
little more impressionable because they're young, but you've also you know,
you kind of got to teach him some new things.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You know what The cool part about it is Nuban
is basically like Javon was when he was younger, so
he's seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I told him when I came here.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
We met previously on the recruiting trail when we all
you know, the draft and when he saw me, he
was like, I came on my interview.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
He was like, you hired.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I was like, yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens, but
I hope it works out.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But no, just excited.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
He loves football and just from that standpoint, it matches
with Holland.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And now they sit next to you.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I called him like, hey, these two guys, right, got
the two quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Sitting in the room, and now you know the things
that he learned in his first year.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know, in your first year, it's a lot that's
being thrown at you, and you know he's a cerebral
guy and he understands it. But now the match you
with Holland's experiences, so he doesn't have to live those.
That's been awesome just from ass projective Drew oh Man,
it's just so awesome because he was thrown into the
fire and now he learned a lot of football in
the first year. But he's still a sponge And that's
(06:03):
the cool part, Like having the debos in the world
that now understanding that you know, this is how I
apply certain techniques at certain times, not to over exert
myself on certain things.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
How to make sure that hey listen, a.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Great play happened, I need to move on to the
next A bad play happened. How do I focus on that?
What technique should I be using at this time? And
understanding situational awareness? That's been really cool on watching his development.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Short term memory, right, that's a must. You mentioned techniques,
so I'm curious, what are some fundamentals that you absolutely
have to have if you want to be a good
safety or kin that's safety.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
The first thing is you have to have great eye control.
I always tell everybody that the eye control. It's almost
like lineman. You guys got to not just the ball. Yeah,
I got to be able to see everything when it's
the opportunity for me to now be first, I'm the quarterback,
so I basically have to basically check the formation to
make sure everybody's aligned. Anything that's not uncovered. Tremendous ball skills.
When I say that here it is anything that possibly
(07:02):
gets on the back end. You gotta have range, but
you got to have ball skills and balls awareness. That's
the other thing that I talk about with safety, the
ability to now now in this new age, not when
we played it was more of the Robert Griffs of
the world that came Downhill and the cam Chancellors of
the world.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But now it's more of.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You have to be able to cover and that's the
other side. You have to be a corner and slash
nickel at safety. So those two things in tackling, like
we forget about it a lot, but that's the really
the biggest part. It gets past the D line. It's
our job to get it down and I always talk
about that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
From that perspective, that corner. What says cat coverage, You
got to own your cat. But you have to be
you have to be cerebral, you have to understand it. Zone. Man,
where's my matchups? You know too? We have guys that
are capable of playing.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Those, but the technique and discipline that it takes every
day to be that guy because the ball's coming at
you every play.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You have to have that mentality.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, and I feel like, you know, the game it's
much more pass oriented now, so it's that you know,
that's even more of a premium.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Now than definitely man, definitely, definitely definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well listen, man, the Giants are are excited to have you.
I know, Giants fans can't wait to see you and
your product out on the field and see your boys bawling.
We're looking for some takeaways.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh Man, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know, I'm sure you guys are working on some
new sellies for all of that. So glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Man, Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Man,
great talking to Thanks.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
How to get in here?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
If you're lined up here, you got to go over
the middle with at the score?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Right? How do we make that happen?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
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Speaker 2 (08:52):
Hey, I can also talk long care.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'd like to learn about Emilia routine.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your
money with Citizens.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Showing what up?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Man, coach bowling? How are we doing doing all right?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
How are you doing great?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So outside linebacker coach right, that's the official title, that
role that is. I feel like it changes based on
the down. Right, So sometimes outside linebacker, you know, you
could be in a two point maybe on third down
you were at a three point though. Yep, right, So
how how has that role changed for you as a coach?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know, it is pretty.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Uh, you know, like we are involved. The great thing
about it is that position, like you said, is involved
with a lot of different parts of the game, from
rushing the passer to setting edges to dropping in coverage.
You can align on the ball, you can align off
the ball. So you know, I've just kind of tried
(09:44):
in my career to take it all in. I've had
experience as an assistant, you know, my earlier days when
I was assisting with the D line, assisting with the
inside backers. So yeah, I feel pretty good, and I'm
fortunate to have had some good training along the way,
and now you know my role as the outside backer
coach where I'm involved in both you know, coaching the
guys on on all those different parts of the game.
(10:06):
The evolution has kind of been natural, you know, and
it's been it's been good. And I've been around good
players and coaches and you know, appreciate the experience along
the way, and you know, here here we are.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well the experience along the way. I mean, this has
been an exciting off season for Giants fans, and but
for you in particular. I mean, when you get a
guy like Abduall Carter and it's kind of gift wrap
for you, all right, and now you got this shiny
new toy you get to go play with. I just
want to go and kind of go back to the
start of that, like where were you in that whole
process and at what point were you sold on? You know,
(10:39):
Abdul Carter is a guy that we got to have.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
There was a there was a it was early on
in the earlier than normal in the process.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Joe Shane actually texted me have you seen Abdul Carter yet?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I hadn't, you know, on.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Our typical uh off season timeline, we really weren't in
the College of valuations yet, you know. But I think
just given where we picked and the caliber player that
Abduel was, Joe just wanted to kind of throw a
shot out there to see if I watched.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Him, and I didn't.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
And that day, I mean this is in January, that
day I did watch him, and within two plays, I
was just wild by the ability and my answer was
an immediate yes, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So that was that was an easy one. To tell
based on the film.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
You know, we had to do our work in terms
of like getting a feel for the person and and
and the learning and all that, which which obviously checked out.
But I mean it's when you watch his tape and
watch him play as a player, like it's it's completely
obvious that he's just an incredible player, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And the one thing I've.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Told the people in the building and then you know,
even a duel as we started working together, is just
you know, before you even get into the skill involved
with him, which he has a lot of his natural
ability to finish as a player and to finish as
a rusher is really a big time separator for him
and something he just has. And you know, the great
(12:05):
ones I've been around have have had that, you know,
and he has it right now.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It was a little different process too during that phase
because he couldn't work out right, so he couldn't see
him at the combine. You couldn't go to a pro
day and watch him actually move. So the first time
you probably saw him live at action was here of practice.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Did everything transfer?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
And it really you know, drills are one thing, you know,
seeing people moving and around bags that can look a
certain way, and it was pretty and it was awesome.
But watching him in OTAs in eleven on eleven reps
playing football was when the biggest wild moment happened for me,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So, no, it's been great. It's been great to watch
him from day one.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well, that's great, and you throw him into the mix now.
You know, we were talking last year about the addition
of Brian Burns and what that was going to do
to that group and and you know with with TIBs
on the other side too, you know, how does bringing
a young guy into the group, how does that make
them better? And vice versa.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
I think young or old that just if you have
good players, that helps everybody, you know, and that's what
a duel is. He's a good player and again part
of just his natural feel for the game is what
makes him who he is. So while he's learning pro
technique and pro scheme and all those types of things,
and that'll take some time.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
There was a process involved with that, but he's.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Already a good player, you know, and that that will
help everybody around him. Burns helped compare, you know, complimenting
or pairing Burns and TIBs together.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Help you got decks out there.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
We had we had a great group last year, you know,
and so now you add another guy to that mix,
and it only amplifies everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, you got to be salivating when
it's when it's third down. You got to be salivating
when it's third day. Got to be salivating when it's
third down. And now it's like, all right, I get
all these guys on the field. This we found, this
is gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
It's fun as a coach to envision all the ways
we can deploy these guys.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
It's also we got to be careful as coaches and
not do too much, you know, at the end of
the day.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Uh, you know, it's got to be efficient form.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
The package has to be tight enough to where they
all can play fast. But no, I mean it's we
have that many good players and that many good rushers.
There's a lot of options. And we've we've we've had
a good time as coaches, you know, putting our best
thoughts together, and then even you know, the players going
out there and doing it, being the ones out there
doing it together. They've they've had success, and they've been
working well together. Their communication level is in a good
(14:43):
place right now. They've had to develop it. They'll have
to continue to develop it, but you know, in the
early stages of it, it's been it's been fun for everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
When you were looking back at Abdul Carter and you
kind of went back and watched him play linebacker, right
because he didn't really play defensive until his lifelast year.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, when you.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Get a guy like that, like, does that almost kind
of make him more athletic the fact that he was
playing in space, Yes, before he went down on the
defensive line.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yes, he has the he has the skills, temperament and
trades to play outside backer right now. But if a
player that can play on the edge has off the
ball training, it only expands their world. It gives him
a whole other level of understanding, a whole nother level
of skill set, you know, and he has that. I
had Hassan Reddick in Arizona and he was the same way,
(15:33):
played on the edge in college, played off the ball
at Arizona. Actually we moved them, you know, back to
the edge and his requisite training off the ball, then
putting them back on the ball helped him immensely, you know,
and that's kind of you know, they're both Philly area,
naturally born and raised, Hassan and Abdul, and I do
(15:54):
see some similarities there. But but yeah, in terms of
him playing off the ball and then now playing on
the edge completely helps him and completely gives Hi another
skill set which in turn, like you said, makes the
athleticism come to life even more.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah. Well, I'm sure you told him part of the
reason why we brought him here is to be Philly.
That's right, there we go.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's right. There's no doubt. He's all in now, he's
New York all the ways.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, thanks so much for
the time, man. Looking forward to seeing you guys on leash,
hell on the rest of the division and all these quarterbacks.
It's gonna be fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Absolutely same here.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I appreciate your brother. Yeah, no doubt.
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