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Speaker 1 (00:15):
I am John Schmel. Thank you so much for being
with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
We continue to talk to some of the coaches that
coached up the Giants draft picks. Today we're going to
focus on seventh round draft pick Corey Black, and we're
very happy to be joined by the head coach of
the Oklahoma State Cowboys, who's been there for a very
long time, runs a very very good program, Mike Gundhy.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Mike, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
You know, when I watched Corey on tape, the thing
that jumped out to me the most right away was
his size, speed, athleticism.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
He's got reach, vertical jump, he's got explosion. He's really
a good fit for the style of play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
And when when I was looking at your defense, uh,
before the draft, and then when the Giants drafted him, coach,
I noticed you guys do play a lot of press
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Of times in college.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Now you see mostly off college off coverage, but you
guys do run a lot of press.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
How did he work in press for you guys?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He was good in press. He's got such quick movement
and recovery speed, as you know, is so important, particularly
well in all levels, but particularly in the NFL because
those guys are gonna beat him off the line at
some times. But he can really recover and did a
good job with press, in my opinion, needs to really
work on using his hands up front and press and
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develop confidence in that area. I'm an offensive guys, or
supposed to be anyway, I don't plan to know the
technique of defense. But when I watched him, if somebody
can get with him and really help with his plan
on his contact with his press and his hands and such,
he's going to really improve quickly.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, And I have to imagine for a guy with
that size and speed and to your point, his change
of direction and his quickness, he has versatility to either
play press man and obviously every team now on both
levels play a ton of zone to kind of play
off and react to the football.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, that's right, and so his learning nobility is IQ
football is really high, which the Giants will like that
that we never had an issue with him learning. He
played as a freshman and has the ability to absorb
information quickly and retain it throughout the game.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's terrific. Let's talk about his kind of presence in
your program. He was there for five years, he was
there since twenty twenty. Where did you see the most
growth from him over the course of those five years
at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Year two, because.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
He played as a freshman and then when he came
back and developed in the weight room and got a
better feel, became kind of a seasoned player and wasn't
much a rookie anymore, we saw a lot of development.
I was really pleased that the Giants took him because
he will play better than he played this year. This
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was the first losing season we've had here in nineteen years,
and our team didn't play well last five games of
the year, and sometimes that can be a little bit
of an issue, even individually.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And you know how it is.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
When you're playing well and you're winning, everybody plays better
than they should, and when you're not playing well, then
you don't play.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
As good as you should.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So I was pleased that he's going to get the
opportunity because when he gets in the organization and they
start really working with him on technique and such, his
ability to learn and absorb information, he's going to get
better and better really fast because he's long and he's
you know, he's a four to three guy, and you
can't coach those things.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Puddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,
you got to go over the middle with at the score.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
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Speaker 1 (03:57):
No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You know you mentioned dealing with adversity for not just
the team, but for players and for corners.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Coaches.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You well know you're gonna get beat. It's just the
way it goes. You're never gonna not give up any catches.
How is he a bouncing back after maybe having a
couple of bad plays? Gives up a catcher too. How
is he quickly bouncing back and having that short memory
that you have to have at corner.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
He does a really good job.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And I talk to the defensive guys a lot, and
I tell him I would want no part of being
out there press against a good player with eighty thousand
people watching, with no safety help over the top or
even one safety over the top. And it's a real challenge.
And you got to be able to have a short
memory and you got to play. And he's done good
with that. The staff and you guys will really like
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him because he's level headed, he listens, he's humble, he's quiet,
and as soon as they get him adjusted to his
work habits and where he adjusted to your level, they're
gonna really like all the things he brings to the table,
including confidence on getting over. Hey, I just gave up
a conversion on third and eight. I've got to come
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back now and play press coverage and make a play.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
So he's had a couple of different defensive coordinators since
you've been there, Mike, I wonder how different were those
systems and how many different ways have you used? And
we talked about press. Is he have You used him
a lot on cover three in quarters. What are some
of the different ways you've used him at corner?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Because of Jim Knowles being here and then Brian Arnold
coming into here, we went to a lot of odd
front but he's done it all in the back end.
That's why I said he's so good with absorb. I
mean he's played quarters, he's played three, he's played one,
he's played press, he's played off man, he's played two.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
There's a lot of things that he's done which will
be an advantage for him in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I know you're an offensive guy.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You're not in the meetings, but I always like to
ask how how some of these guys learn right. Some
guys are visual learners. They have to bring it onto
the field to do it. Some guys can learn off
the board, learn off by taking notes. What kind of
learner was he in the last room over the course
of his five years with you guys?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know the good thing is is he learned both ways.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
In my opinion, I listened to those conversations with our coaches.
He can take it from the classroom and then walk throughs. Obviously,
in my opinion, the majority of athletes type A alpha
males which we're dealing with, are better visual learners because
they can't pay attention more than about thirty minutes and
they can't stay focused. But I think Corey has the
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ability to learn in the classroom and on the field
and walk throughs.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
All jokes aside, and this day and age, thirty minutes
is pretty good. Sometimes it's ten or fifteen these days.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Right, right, Well, we live on phones, right, we live
on phones, and if there's something we don't like, we
just swipe it and get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Now, you're absolutely right. You talked about his personality. You
said he's a quiet guy. Is he a lead by
example type of guy or is or does he get
a little bit more into it during the game with
his teammates where he's more of a RARA guy.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
He is not a raw roll guy. He's very quiet.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
He's gonna play hard, he's gonna compete, and he knows
going to your level that uh, you know, it's a
day to day basis there.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But he's not gonna roll rall. That's just not his
natural style.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
As I said, he's very quiet, and uh, and I'm
hoping the coaches and and obviously the media with the
Giants understands you don't take that personal. He just doesn't
talk a lot, but he does listen, he does absorb information,
and he does understand what's going on.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I want to talk about a couple aspects of his
game here, Mike stopping the run. How how willing is
he to to to drop his shoulder, extend his arms,
and and make plays in the run game when they're
attacking his edge.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
He does just enough to get him down. Uh, they're
gonna they're gonna want to improve him in that area.
They're gonna want to challenge him. And and see corners,
my history with corners that have success early in their
career in college, it's almost like they didn't sign up
to tackle.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I signed up to cover guys, and.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And they'll they'll press him and tell him, look, when
this happens, you're gonna have to get up there and
get him down. He certainly has the ability to get
that accomplished.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I was looking at some of his playtime percentages for
you guys. I know later in his career it was
mostly just a field goal block iron specials. But I
think it was his sophomore year he was one of
your gunners, right, So what's his experience on special teams?
Is that an area that he can kind of step
in with his size, weight, speed factors and help the
Giants right away.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
He can play both sides out on the perimeter on
punt and punt return nice. He's so fast he can
get down the field and cover and force fair catches,
and then he can flip on the other side and
defend a gunner, you know, basically playing press man. There's
no question that he should be involved in that. And
he has the ability to come off the edge, off
a short edge and block a pat field goal because
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of the link with his arms.
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Speaker 4 (09:04):
Your team didn't play particularly well towards the end of
the year, but he did have a big matchup against
Travis Huntra towards the end of the year. How many
how much did he line up against Travis over the
course of that game, and hawd he do against some
of the better wide receivers that you guys see on
a regular basis in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He lined up against him, some not as much. They
moved him away from him. I thought, which is smart,
you know, I think Travis is one of the greatest
players to ever play college football.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And they weren't matched up a ton, But if we
had the ability, based on the offenses setup, we would
put him on their best player.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I did notice you guys mostly had him on the
left side and left quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Is that just a philosophy you guys have in terms
of trying to keep guys on their individual size.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, that's what we had done if we felt like
we had to move him for a reason. But for
the most part, we were trying to simplify for the
rest of the guys, and he played mostly on the left.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Got it. That makes a lot of sense, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
We talked to that as as a football player her coaching,
you kind of talk about his personality, but just in
terms of the quality of the person off the field,
that that the Giants and the New York, New Jersey
area are getting with Corey Black. What can you tell
us about Corey as a guy?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, he graduates on time, never an issue. We never
had anything. I never got a phone call on him
at our place. You have to be very accountable. There's
a lot of structure and discipline. Everybody is supposed to
be where they are all the.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Time at the right time. There's no question to ask.
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And he was never a guy that was on a
list for anything. He was in the right place all
the time.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's really good to hear.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Is there anything else, coach that that that you want
the Giant staff, me or Giant fans to know about
Corey Black? And and just the core principles that that
your program installs in these guys, and he was with
you for five years that I'm sure are kind of
like a core part of what he is as a
football player.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, I think everybody in the organization is going to
see a young man that's been trained over the four
years to be in the right place at the right time,
where we understand respect, we understand accountability, we have structure
and discipline, and he'll be able to accept coaching. And
we talk a lot in organization about discipline is not punishment.
Discipline is somebody caring enough about you to make sure
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you're doing the things right all the time. And so
he will understand that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He'll be very.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Pleasant for the organization. And I really feel like that
his best years are ahead of him. These coaches can
get that out of him. He'll be a guy that's
playing six, eight, ten years from now and people are
going to wonder how he.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Fell all the way to the latter part of the draft.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So I'm very excited for the Giants and the people
in the New York, New Jersey area, and I really
appreciate the Giants taking a chance on him.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I know that I talked to Joshane the other day.
I've talked a couple of the coaches. I know they're
very excited to have him in the building. Coach, thanks
so much for the time. Anything else you want to
get out there about anything you're up to the program
that you want people to know about.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I appreciate the time, and I've got to get back
to portal recruiting right now.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So all my bands to the Giants, I appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Thank you, Coach. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
My friend that's head coach of the Oklahoma State Cowboys,
Mike Gundy. We thank him for joining us right here
on the Giantshttle podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official
Bank of the Giants. Really good stuff. Looking forward to
meeting Corey for the first time. Quiet guy from what
I hear, which is not a bad thing necessarily, but
we appreciate all the insight from Coach Gundy on on
how we can be used, which seems like in a
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lot of different ways. Experience in all the different zone
coverages can play impress man, so it'll be interesting to
see how they decide to use him here at the
Giants and how he fits into their coverage schemes and
also how they can use them on special So we
thank Coach Gundy for joining us. Thank you for joining
us on the Giant Huittle Podcast. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Everybody,