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October 5, 2025 • 15 mins

Madelyn Burke and Amani Toomer react to the Giants' 26-14 loss to the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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slash Giants Welcome into a week five rapid reaction. Mattalin

(00:27):
Burke here alongside the Super Bowl champ of Moni Tumor.
The Giants went down to New Orleans, falling to the
Saints twenty six to fourteen is the final score, but
a moni. If you look at the way this one
started and the way this one finished, it was two
different ballgames. Giants came out, scored a touchdown on each
of their first two offensive possessions, and then didn't score
since five turnovers on the day. As the Giants fall

(00:49):
to the Saints, who scored twenty three unanswered points.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, they did have five turnovers, but one of those turnovers,
in all fairness, it was down. The Giants were going
for it because a field goal would do them no good.
Jackson Dart threw the ball down the field, kind of
giving his receiver an opportunity. It ended up getting intercepted
by kool aid. But I feel like that is one

(01:14):
of those stats that kind of could be a little
asterisk by it. But other than that, though, the Giants
definitely looked after those first two drives like, oh, we
got this in the bag. The momentum was fully in
their way. It was very quiet down there in the Supernome,
and then all of a sudden, the Saints just kept

(01:35):
chipping away, and then they broke the game open with
that eighty seven, eighty seven yard touchdown that really swung
the momentum that the Giants could ultimately not get back.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, because you know, early on in the game, you know,
the Giants would hold the Saints to a field goal
in the first quarter. The Giants held the Saints to
a field goal again in the second quarter. But like
you mentioned, you know, the Saints offense had been kind
of you know, the knock on them was that they
didn't have that big play ability so far. They started
the season zero to four and hadn't been able to

(02:08):
have those explosive plays. But then you know, first down,
I mean you look at the way that this play is.
It's one play for eighty seven yards, took eleven seconds
off the clock in the second quarter, and you know,
it's a fourteen thirteen game. It's a very different dynamic.
And then late in the second quarter, as the Saints
are trying to you know, get down the field, Groupie

(02:30):
misses a field goal. It puts the Giants in position
to you know, perhaps capitalize on a short field and
go into the to the half not only with a
one point lead, but perhaps extend on that. Darius Slayton
drops a pass you know the Giants called flea flicker
on a post. He you know, throws a little bit shallow.
There isn't able to capitalize. And then suddenly the Saints

(02:52):
have another shot and they go into the half with
the lead. It was their first lead since Week one
in a game, and the things didn't look back. Fourteen
sixty was the half, and then the second half was
all New Orleans as they continued to do that. But
the Giants continued to give the Saints those opportunities. Five
straight possessions with giveaways. That's the first time that's happened
in an NFL game in nine years, and that's something

(03:14):
that you know, Yes, that last one was unfortunate, but
there were a lot of these moments where they were
just kind of oh, you know, I want like you know,
Jackson Dart untouched, had the ball in his hand, just
didn't tuck it and just dropped it accidentally.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and Scataboo had won as well, where he was
running through the hole and the ball just got kind
of punched out. Those are That's why traditionally in this
league you don't want to rely too heavily on younger players,
not because they're not good, not because they're not going
to help your team, but because they tend to make

(03:48):
mistakes because they aren't as you could be. You could
play in the SEC, you could play in the Pac twelve,
you could play in all these big conferences. But there's
a huge difference between the NFL in college in terms
of the intensity, in terms of the way in which
players go after the football. So this is a thing

(04:10):
that they're going to learn for from They're not going
to ever probably look at ball yeah, ball security the
same for the rest of their careers. It's a tough lesson.
Everybody has to go through it. It's just unfortunate that
they both had to learn very tough lessons at the
same time. And then the veteran players needed to You know,

(04:34):
if you have an opportunity to make a play for
a young quarterback, you got to do it. Not just because,
of course you want to make a play for yourself,
but you got to understand these young players are trying
to find their footing in this league and making that
one play could change the momentum, could change their mindset
and keep them running downhill as supposed to feel like
they're you know, taking taking a water out of a canoe,

(04:59):
you know what I mean, want to baling water out
of a canoe. So sensitivity that they have is very,
very difficult for a young player in this league.

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player you talk about Cam skataboo too. I mean that
you could see his frustration with that fumble. You look
at his jersey at the end of a game and
it looks dirty. People will say, how does a jersey
get that dirty on a turf field. Well, it's not dirt,
it's the ball. It's so high and tight pressing the
ball that the ball is scuffing the white jersey. That's

(05:42):
what those marks are on it. So for him to
lose the ball immediatelyizing the training stuff. I need new gloves.
I got to get a better grip on that ball.
You see the frustration with the young player there, and
then you mentioned, you know, for the veteran players. Darius
Layton talked about this after the game. He says, hey,
you know what, the quarterback is not going to be
flawless every time. It's our job as a receiver. You know,
back throws the ball close to you and I got
to make a play. And you know, he said, hey,

(06:04):
looking at this is a certain way. You know, there
was a couple plat passes that I wish I went
about in a different direction. Hindsight is twenty twenty. These
two just kind of getting on the field within the
last couple of weeks for some reps together, because again,
you know, Russell Wilson was getting most of the reps
with the one at the beginning of the season, so
they're still learning each other's timing and tendencies at this point.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I think that that, you know, maybe hindsight and
all that, maybe you should have been getting him a
couple reps in there, just to sprinkle him in, just
to get him a little more familiar. But I mean
that's anybody can look back at a situation say what
they could have done better. I'm not going to blame
anybody for that. I'm just, you know, right, just to
say right.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
And Week five was the first one without Malik Neighbors,
who left the game last week with a torn ACLS
out for the season. On ir the Giants opted instead
of elevating a wide receiver from the practice squad to
kind of go for a more tight end heavy look
on offense. We saw THEO Johnson getting two touchdowns in
the first half. THEO has been the recipient of every
passing touchdown in Jackson Dard's NFL career, and they were

(07:07):
able to do that with the tight ends early. But
the Saints defense kind of adjusted. And then when Darius
Slayton left the game in the second half of that
hamstring injury, they were a bit shorthanded in the wide
receiver corps. But what did you see from the way
that the Giants utilize the tight end today?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Oh, they feel like their deepest position to kind of
take up the slack from Eleague neighbors is going to
be at that tight end position. Obviously, you know, Jalen
Huyatt went in there and played a little bit, had
three targets today, unfortunately didn't come up with a catch.
But I feel like they are more confident in their
tight ends than their bottom half of their receiving corps.

(07:42):
Wandelle Robinson had a lot of opportunities today, as did Slayton.
But you used to Collin and Bo Collins had had
a couple, had a couple opportunities at you So EI,
they're telling you what they think of their players. You know,
there's always you know, they could tell you anything you
know in the media when they were getting interviewed. But

(08:02):
when the rubber meets the road is who's actually getting
the balls thrown to them, who's actually playing What are
the actual decisions that this coaching staff thinks is the
best for the team, and that is this twelve personnel
with two tight ends and one running back.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And Daniel Bellinger really making the most of his opportunity
as well for targets, four receptions fifty two yards, leading
all pass catchers in that one. He had a couple
of plays where you know, they were near turnovers there,
but he was able to come down with it and
get that as well. Now, as we take a look
at the Giants defense, though.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
This is Coo grenades. Nobody cares about what's close. That
is what happens.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
But she's an hand Gernaise. This is a great one.
You know, the Giants defense. I know Paulson Adiebo. This
is the team that he played for last season. He
broke his femur, left the game and then that was
the last time he was on the field. In twenty
twenty four to twenty twenty five, of course signed with
the Giants, going back there, well, familiar with the noise
of that building. But as you take a look at

(09:03):
the performance from the Giants defense as a whole, this
is the first game this season they weren't able to
get any sacks on the quarterback Spencer Ratler wasn't touched
coming off a game like Week four against the Chargers
where the Giants had a couple of sacks, had twenty pressures,
were able to get a lot of pressure on Herbert.
What was so different this week, Well, the.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Game plan they were trumping. They made it a point
to have like a lot of max protection, a lot
of misdirection. They're getting the ball out of their hands quickly,
and I feel like the offense needed to maintain that
lead so to force Spencer Rattler to be that drop
back passers. But because they had the lead, they were

(09:41):
able to go be a more balanced team and it
didn't allow the defensive line that we have that's dominant
to kind of pin their ears back and go after
the quarterback. And that's one of the that's the complimentary
football that did not happen today. That did happen versus
the Chargers. We made the Chargers become one. To me.
We had a good lead for the majority of that game,

(10:04):
and that's why the defensive line really came along because
they got opportunity to just rush the passion like they
like they want to, didn't have to worry about the
run because they were too far ahead.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, Dexter Lawren's out all week sick, didn't practice but
was able to go for the game in New Orleans.
Darius Alexander, the rookie out of Toledo, got a big
hit on Spencer Ratler, but he was on the run,
so that wasn't counting as a sack. And you know,
of course, defensive penalties continuing to be a headline. The
Giants came into this game against the Saints tied for

(10:32):
a league lead in defensive penalties. Too many DPIs is
what coach Dable talked about after the game. When you've
got back to back defensive pass interference plays that account
for thirty five yards as the Saints are moving down
the field, you don't want to see that. How does
a team kind of shore that up? Is that just
you know, discipline or what goes into to fixing that.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's a tough one because you want your players to
be always, especially on defense, always on the edge of
a penalty, because that means you're trying hard. You could
always it's easier to real things back in than to
tell people to play more aggressively. I have that same
problem with the team that I'm coaching now my son's
high school football team in Weehawken. But it's one of

(11:19):
those things that usually they're not going to call back
to back offensive pass interferance, I mean defensive passing aference.
So I don't know if I'm a coach, if I'm
going to say, hey, look, I want you to be more,
I'm just gonna let them play because I know that
that's an anomaly. There's very few times in this league
that they call back to back.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
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of Eli Manning. It is so subjective too, just like
a holding call. You can probably call it on every
play in the NFL you're really looking for it. We
saw it earlier in the game too. You know, Javon
Holland had what would be an interception, but the flag
throws because they called a defensive pass interference on Tay
Banks and what felt like a very kind of handsy

(12:07):
battle between the corner and the receiver in general, So
it's a subjective play. Hopefully it's something that the Giants
can clean up moving forward, and they've got a short
week to do it. And one of the best things
about coming off of a performance like this, where I
think everyone in that locker room and coaching staff is
thinking like, oh, we want to do better, is there's
only a few days until you're back on the field.

(12:28):
Five more sleeps, right, yeah, uh, five more sleep four
more sleeps, right until you're back on the field for
Thursday Night football, a Division game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
The Eagles lost their first game of the season on
Sunday against the Broncos eighteen unanswered points in the fourth
quarter as the Broncos won twenty one to seventeen in Philly.

(12:53):
So the Eagles coming in off a loss, and we've
seen this from the Eagles so far this season. They were,
you know, four no to start the season and now
four and one, and while they were winning games, their
statistical numbers and the way they were winning games wasn't
quite as dominant as we've seen from years past. So
when you look at the way that this Eagles team
and this Giants team matchup, what's the key here?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I think both these teams are struggling. I mean, it's
hard to say that the team that's four and one
is struggling, But like you said, Madelin, they're not playing
the brand of football that took them to the super
Bowl last year and ran through the whole NFC. They're
a team that has a lot of talent. They know
they can do it, but they're really trying to find
themselves for the twenty twenty five teams. So both teams

(13:35):
are pretty much in the same situation, and of course
not record wise, but they're both trying to have an
identity of this year's team. The Giants, of course, you
only have one win, but you know, this league changes.
Things change really quickly in this league. And you look
at the Green Bay Packers first first two weeks of

(13:56):
the year. They thought everybody was penciling the Green Bay
Packers and to win the super Bow. They lose two
games in a row, and now lose a game and
tie a game, and now all of a sudden, everybody's
talking about how they're not the team that they thought
they were. This thing changes quickly, and the only thing
the Giants can do is keep on fighting and keep
on improving, because I'll tell you what Some of the

(14:17):
teams that are good now aren't going to be good
ten weeks from now. Ten weeks from now is the goal.
That's when you want to be ascending, and so the
only way to do that is to get back on
the field as quickly as possible. Don't let anything slow
down your momentum. You got to keep your positive mindset

(14:38):
and thinking about how much better you're going to get
today and not how bad you did yesterday.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, and you don't want to peak too soon, right,
You don't know a lot of ballgame left, and it's
going to be a short week as the Giants take
on the Eagles Thursday night at MetLife Stadium, But coming
off a Week five loss in New Orleans, twenty six
to fourteen is the final score. And that's a wrap
for a Week five rapid reaction with a Super Bowl
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(15:04):
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