October 13, 2025 • 16 mins
Bob Papa sits down with former Giants offensive tackle and 2x-Super Bowl champion, Kareem McKenzie. He discusses his playing career, the lessons he learned from football, and how he got his Ph.D. as a professional counselor in his post-football life.
:00 - Post-football life
3:13 - Lessons from football
5:12 - Getting traded from the Jets to the Giants
9:00 - The Giants 2007 offensive line
11:20 - Kareem’s favorite games
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Popper's Perspective. It's brought to you by Bob's
Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and Mattress partner of
the New York Giants. As we welcome you into the
Hackensack Meridian Health podcast studio Keep Getting Better, and we're
joined by doctor McKenzie. Kareem McKenzie, who played seven years
for the Giants, started all one hundred and five regular
(00:20):
season games during his seven year term with the Giants
and all eleven postseason games. Welcome to the show. Thank you,
Thank you for having me so, Kareem, Let's talk a
little bit about doctor McKenzie. What motivated you to sort
of go down that path post playing career.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, I think one of the most important aspects for
me was to have something to do once my career
was over. And I found that typically going into something
that you have a passion for that just some experience with,
and that was counseling in and of itself. And it
was by happenstance that I had the opportunity to go
(00:59):
to a program that was very amenable to helping me
continue my career in some capacity, and that was William
Patterson University, And after I graduated with my degree, I
went and worked for a nonprofit down in Irvington, New Jersey,
in a kid's substance use program. And when I was
there working with those youth, and found that the tools
(01:21):
that we had to help them overcome whatever it was
they were experiencing that they were inadequate. And I felt
that it was a good opportunity for me to go
ahead and continue that research and or start that research
as a whole and kind of reinvigorate how we adjust
to and how we deal with adolescents who are dealing
with substitute problems. So Ken University had a program their
(01:43):
first year. I think I think my cohort was the first,
the first cohort for counsel education and supervision doctorate of course,
And here I am today, you know, six seven years later? Now, man,
time flys.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, that certainly does time fly in a playing career
as well. Is this something that as you were getting
deeper into your playing career and think about possibly what's
next was in the cards for you or is this
something that post playing you sort of gravitated toward.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think it's more so post playing gravitating towards because
you know, back at that time in the late two
thout one, not late two thousand, but the late twenty ten,
twenty eleven, you know, you really weren't concentrated on a
post NFL career. It was more so the next season,
per se. And I was always the type of individual
(02:37):
to in my downtime to read. So I did a
lot of reading, loved to read, enjoyed reading until I
went to my doctoral program and it was like, yeah,
it took me a while to even want to read
a MiG right. So I'm now just now getting back
into reading. And I do like the idea of continually
growing from a mental standpoint, getting a new wrinkle in
(02:58):
my brain. And I just just I'd just love to advocate,
you know, And that's one of the main things in
being a counselor is to advocate for those who are disadvantaged.
Who are you know, on the outskirts of society that
people don't necessarily pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Where does your experience as an athlete, as an elite
athlete who made it through that funnel, as I always
like to call it, for every kid in a certain
age group that puts on the pads, fourth grade, fifth grade,
sixth grade, to make it through high school, to get
to college, to eventually get drafted or invited to be
(03:35):
in the NFL, and then to stay in the NFL.
That's something that it's a one in a million, so
to speak. How do you take those experiences and apply
it to what you're doing now?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think you have to have the same type of
mentality because with counseling and dealing with individuals who come
into your office, no two individuals have the same problem,
right almost to the extent to use a football metaphor,
is like playing the Eagles on week eleven, then week fourteen,
you're playing them again. Right, it's the same team, They're
(04:09):
gonna do something different, right, and every year it's different.
That's what makes the football, I think so so great
of a sport is that no matter what comes every week,
there's a new rink or or something different you can
do to make it more challenging. And I don't think
it's any different than that in the counseling session, that
each individual has a different problem or something that they
(04:31):
need assistance with. And you could have two individuals. I mean,
you can look at the twin studies, some of the
research that that has been done on twins. They can
have the same experiences and two completely different outcomes. So
it's always a challenge, and you have to be prepared
for that challenge on a weekly basis, you know, and
it really challenges you, I believe to think outside the
box box in some instances and the ways in which
(04:54):
we deal with issues on the football field. You know,
it could be a certain blitz that's all of a
sudden go away. How do we address that so the
next time we see it, we know, and through that
experience and through that commonality in that rigor, we're able
to go ahead and more acutely deal with whatever we
come up against.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I've said this to Earning a course see numerous times.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He had a lot of great free agent signings. Antonio
Pierce was a great free agent signing, bringing in Plexico
burs But I always say that Kareem Mackenzie might be
his greatest and one of the greatest in Giants' history,
because you signed this deal to go from the Jets
to the Giants, and they got every possible snap out
(05:36):
of you over the terms of your contract. One hundred
and five games one hundred and five regular season games
in starts you never missed a game rarely, and then
you started all eleven in the postseason for the Giants.
What was it like making that transition coming to New
York from the Jets to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It was a lot different back then because the Jets
were in Long Island, right, so it was at Hofst University,
and coming over here to the Giants, it was the
same stadium, different locker room. And I think one of
the most challenging aspects was to watch myself on film,
(06:20):
because for four years I saw myself as the sixty
seven and green and now, for the first time in
my career, I looked at practice film, I'm like, is
that me? Like just trying to figure out is that
who I am? And really acclimating myself to playing next
to Chris Ny, my right guard for my duration here,
and the terminology that we used in terms of the offense,
(06:41):
and being able to go ahead and try and make
it as seamless as possible, and getting used to driving
up to Albany, you know, those different things. So it
was a culture change as well to actually be in
Giants Stadium every day versus once a week, you know,
So I think those aspects were challenge but I'm grateful
(07:01):
for those challenges. And I mean, who would have wrote
a better ending to my career than what I experienced.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Not many people get to walk away as a Super
Bowl champion, you know, Michael Strahan did it after Super
Bowl forty two. There have been some other players, but
most people like it. Doesn't it the fairy tale doesn't
work out that way. What made your group so special
because it really you know, O'Hara was an undrafted player.
(07:30):
Cybert was an undrafted player. I'm going to the first
group deal was a guy that's a fifty to fifty
ball as to whether you're going to make the team
or not based on where he got picked. Obviously Snee
was picked high. You were a third round pick. Why
there was the sum of the parts all pro?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I think it was the ability to be on the
field as often as possible. I forget the string of
consistent starts we had with the same lineup, but it
was a record at that time that I think was
eventually broken by a New York Jets offensive line. But
to be together, I think it was for forty eight
plus games. So you're talking about three years of consecutive starts,
(08:12):
you know, day in and day out, and being able
to play with one another and to see it all
through the same lens. Because we had played together so
long and so often, we kind of knew what or
how we would view things. And that's what I think.
I think one of the important aspects is to make
sure you're all seeing the same thing through the same
(08:32):
lens and knowing how we deal with those situations because
we've had so much repetition to go ahead and do
those things. And also we will watch film together. You know,
we watched film together and made certain that whatever we did,
we all understood how we saw things, what we would do.
And it got to a point where we didn't even
really need to communicate because we automatically knew this is
(08:54):
what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
There's a picture that I saw that really, I think
kind of sums up what you're talking about. It's in
the one hundred years celebration from last year. I mean,
you guys, whenever you take a picture, you just fall
in line to how you lined up right. It's not
really conscious, though, is it. That's just kind of where
you all go to right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's our pecking order, so to speak. You know, it's
always something to where you know we've done it so often,
that's just automatically what we do. You know, it's sort
of the repetition of what shoe do you tee? First
is that you're right shoe you left you you just
know what it is, and you feel uncomfortable if you're
(09:36):
out of place, you know, something feels a little off.
So I think that through our repetitions, who being around
one another for so long, that's just what we do.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The thing about the picture that really jumped out at me.
It was on the field opening day, probably after the ceremony.
So you guys are lined up in order, and then
there's a mod, there's Brandon, and there's el all in
this picture, and it really kind of sums up what
that team from, at least when you joined the Giants
(10:08):
in five through eleven, what that team was all about,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I think so? I think so because that's one of
the things that excuse me going through and thinking back
on those things, which I don't often do at times,
because sometimes you just want those memories to be as
crystal clear as they can, and you don't want to
dwell when it's so to speak, not that you dwell,
but you know sometimes you know, people will say, oh,
(10:34):
you look like you can still play well. My best
by date is long gone.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So in that vein of what we did back then,
the offense we had kind of transmutated and became the
Giants offense. You know, whatever system we were running, and
I forget what was the impetus of it was the
beginning of it was we kind of took it and
(10:59):
transformed it into we did, and we made it our own,
and it was uniquely built to our talents and the
way our team was built, and because we were able
to consistently have the same individuals on the field week
in and week out, we were able to turn it
into what it ultimately came to be, which was pretty
darn good offense. I would say, all.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Right, the final question, and we're talking with Kareem McKenzie,
and it's everybody has a different answer. So let's take
the Super Bowls out, because I mean, that's what that's
what you dream of. But is there a game that
is one that always puts you in a happy place?
You know, for some guys, it's the Dallas game in
(11:40):
the playoffs, Others it's Green Bay or San Francisco, or
whatever the case might be. Is there one game that
you remember that walking off the field or that postgame
locker room where you're like, man, that was that was
some day or that was some night.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I honestly think we be unfair to say one game
in particular sticks out, because there are quite a few,
for me specifically, that do that. The one of them
of which is the first game ever at the new
Dallas Stadium Jerry Land down there. The first home game
(12:19):
they ever had in that stadium was a overtime loss
to us. You know, that will always be memorable because
it was like, oh, the first game ever, Like we
get to beat in the record books for this in particular. Right,
The second would be the NFC Championship game in Green Bay.
It was unbelievably cold. To have yourself be able to
(12:45):
perform in an environment like that, as cold as it was,
I never planned on being that cold again in life.
I will never wear short sleeves, shirt shorts sleeve's shirt
ever outside anything that it could be a fire. I'm
going to find clothes first before I go outside, right,
And also I think the Super Bowls. Of course you
have to include those aspects because the first one two
(13:09):
thousand and seven, no one gave us a shot that
we would even be able to come close to what
New England was on their offensive side of the ball,
and we found a way to win. We found a
way to win the second one, and even prior to
that game during that season, when the New England Paters
(13:29):
came here and they were I think it might have
been the last game in the season for them. I
forget exactly where it was, but we were so close
to beating them that we knew if we saw them again,
we had a pretty good shot at getting it done.
So a lot of different games hold those memories, and honestly,
(13:55):
I would have to sit down and really think about it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'm going to give you one more because you were
playing the Ravens and Ray Lewis and the Ravens were
touting about how they hadn't given up one hundred yard
rusher in x amount, and they didn't give up one
hundred yard rusher that day. But I think as a team,
you ran for like two point fifty on them at
(14:17):
Giant Stadium, and that was where the offensive line was
in full force. Oh wait, oh wait, so.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know, interestingly enough, we didn't have a one hundred
yard rusher individually, but I think overall that season we
were close to having three running backs over one thousand yards, yes,
for the whole season. So just the way we were
able to go ahead and run the ball as a whole.
(14:48):
And now I think about Yeah, that was the main
sticking point for them, And I think was it Rex?
Was it defensive coordinator back then as well?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't know Re was still there or had he
gone to the Jets yet, he might have still been there.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I mean that was one of the things about
them that they were, you know, Hellodi Nagata. I mean,
just that defensive line as a whole. We knew it
was going to be tough sledding to go ahead and
get the ball going. But yeah, Rex was still there,
I thought, so I thought, so, you know, but yeah,
all those different aspects. You know, a lot of great memories.
(15:30):
Got to do yourself here, gentlemen, go ahead, make sure
you can keep those good memories and you keep keep
that mind working right. But yeah, a lot of great stuff,
a lot of great stuff. Thank you, Kareem.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Doctor Kareem McKenzie, thank you for sharing your post playing
experiences well us as well as some times as the player.
We appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
One of the top one hundred in the history of
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Welcome to Popper's Perspective. It's brought to you by Bob's
Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and Mattress partner of
the New York Giants. As we welcome you into the
Hackensack Meridian Health podcast studio Keep Getting Better, and we're
joined by doctor McKenzie. Kareem McKenzie, who played seven years
for the Giants, started all one hundred and five regular
(00:20):
season games during his seven year term with the Giants
and all eleven postseason games. Welcome to the show. Thank you,
Thank you for having me so, Kareem, Let's talk a
little bit about doctor McKenzie. What motivated you to sort
of go down that path post playing career.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, I think one of the most important aspects for
me was to have something to do once my career
was over. And I found that typically going into something
that you have a passion for that just some experience with,
and that was counseling in and of itself. And it
was by happenstance that I had the opportunity to go
(00:59):
to a program that was very amenable to helping me
continue my career in some capacity, and that was William
Patterson University, And after I graduated with my degree, I
went and worked for a nonprofit down in Irvington, New Jersey,
in a kid's substance use program. And when I was
there working with those youth, and found that the tools
(01:21):
that we had to help them overcome whatever it was
they were experiencing that they were inadequate. And I felt
that it was a good opportunity for me to go
ahead and continue that research and or start that research
as a whole and kind of reinvigorate how we adjust
to and how we deal with adolescents who are dealing
with substitute problems. So Ken University had a program their
(01:43):
first year. I think I think my cohort was the first,
the first cohort for counsel education and supervision doctorate of course,
And here I am today, you know, six seven years later? Now, man,
time flys.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, that certainly does time fly in a playing career
as well. Is this something that as you were getting
deeper into your playing career and think about possibly what's
next was in the cards for you or is this
something that post playing you sort of gravitated toward.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think it's more so post playing gravitating towards because
you know, back at that time in the late two
thout one, not late two thousand, but the late twenty ten,
twenty eleven, you know, you really weren't concentrated on a
post NFL career. It was more so the next season,
per se. And I was always the type of individual
(02:37):
to in my downtime to read. So I did a
lot of reading, loved to read, enjoyed reading until I
went to my doctoral program and it was like, yeah,
it took me a while to even want to read
a MiG right. So I'm now just now getting back
into reading. And I do like the idea of continually
growing from a mental standpoint, getting a new wrinkle in
(02:58):
my brain. And I just just I'd just love to advocate,
you know, And that's one of the main things in
being a counselor is to advocate for those who are disadvantaged.
Who are you know, on the outskirts of society that
people don't necessarily pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Where does your experience as an athlete, as an elite
athlete who made it through that funnel, as I always
like to call it, for every kid in a certain
age group that puts on the pads, fourth grade, fifth grade,
sixth grade, to make it through high school, to get
to college, to eventually get drafted or invited to be
(03:35):
in the NFL, and then to stay in the NFL.
That's something that it's a one in a million, so
to speak. How do you take those experiences and apply
it to what you're doing now?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think you have to have the same type of
mentality because with counseling and dealing with individuals who come
into your office, no two individuals have the same problem,
right almost to the extent to use a football metaphor,
is like playing the Eagles on week eleven, then week fourteen,
you're playing them again. Right, it's the same team, They're
(04:09):
gonna do something different, right, and every year it's different.
That's what makes the football, I think so so great
of a sport is that no matter what comes every week,
there's a new rink or or something different you can
do to make it more challenging. And I don't think
it's any different than that in the counseling session, that
each individual has a different problem or something that they
(04:31):
need assistance with. And you could have two individuals. I mean,
you can look at the twin studies, some of the
research that that has been done on twins. They can
have the same experiences and two completely different outcomes. So
it's always a challenge, and you have to be prepared
for that challenge on a weekly basis, you know, and
it really challenges you, I believe to think outside the
box box in some instances and the ways in which
(04:54):
we deal with issues on the football field. You know,
it could be a certain blitz that's all of a
sudden go away. How do we address that so the
next time we see it, we know, and through that
experience and through that commonality in that rigor, we're able
to go ahead and more acutely deal with whatever we
come up against.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I've said this to Earning a course see numerous times.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He had a lot of great free agent signings. Antonio
Pierce was a great free agent signing, bringing in Plexico
burs But I always say that Kareem Mackenzie might be
his greatest and one of the greatest in Giants' history,
because you signed this deal to go from the Jets
to the Giants, and they got every possible snap out
(05:36):
of you over the terms of your contract. One hundred
and five games one hundred and five regular season games
in starts you never missed a game rarely, and then
you started all eleven in the postseason for the Giants.
What was it like making that transition coming to New
York from the Jets to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It was a lot different back then because the Jets
were in Long Island, right, so it was at Hofst University,
and coming over here to the Giants, it was the
same stadium, different locker room. And I think one of
the most challenging aspects was to watch myself on film,
(06:20):
because for four years I saw myself as the sixty
seven and green and now, for the first time in
my career, I looked at practice film, I'm like, is
that me? Like just trying to figure out is that
who I am? And really acclimating myself to playing next
to Chris Ny, my right guard for my duration here,
and the terminology that we used in terms of the offense,
(06:41):
and being able to go ahead and try and make
it as seamless as possible, and getting used to driving
up to Albany, you know, those different things. So it
was a culture change as well to actually be in
Giants Stadium every day versus once a week, you know,
So I think those aspects were challenge but I'm grateful
(07:01):
for those challenges. And I mean, who would have wrote
a better ending to my career than what I experienced.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Not many people get to walk away as a Super
Bowl champion, you know, Michael Strahan did it after Super
Bowl forty two. There have been some other players, but
most people like it. Doesn't it the fairy tale doesn't
work out that way. What made your group so special
because it really you know, O'Hara was an undrafted player.
(07:30):
Cybert was an undrafted player. I'm going to the first
group deal was a guy that's a fifty to fifty
ball as to whether you're going to make the team
or not based on where he got picked. Obviously Snee
was picked high. You were a third round pick. Why
there was the sum of the parts all pro?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I think it was the ability to be on the
field as often as possible. I forget the string of
consistent starts we had with the same lineup, but it
was a record at that time that I think was
eventually broken by a New York Jets offensive line. But
to be together, I think it was for forty eight
plus games. So you're talking about three years of consecutive starts,
(08:12):
you know, day in and day out, and being able
to play with one another and to see it all
through the same lens. Because we had played together so
long and so often, we kind of knew what or
how we would view things. And that's what I think.
I think one of the important aspects is to make
sure you're all seeing the same thing through the same
(08:32):
lens and knowing how we deal with those situations because
we've had so much repetition to go ahead and do
those things. And also we will watch film together. You know,
we watched film together and made certain that whatever we did,
we all understood how we saw things, what we would do.
And it got to a point where we didn't even
really need to communicate because we automatically knew this is
(08:54):
what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
There's a picture that I saw that really, I think
kind of sums up what you're talking about. It's in
the one hundred years celebration from last year. I mean,
you guys, whenever you take a picture, you just fall
in line to how you lined up right. It's not
really conscious, though, is it. That's just kind of where
you all go to right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's our pecking order, so to speak. You know, it's
always something to where you know we've done it so often,
that's just automatically what we do. You know, it's sort
of the repetition of what shoe do you tee? First
is that you're right shoe you left you you just
know what it is, and you feel uncomfortable if you're
(09:36):
out of place, you know, something feels a little off.
So I think that through our repetitions, who being around
one another for so long, that's just what we do.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The thing about the picture that really jumped out at me.
It was on the field opening day, probably after the ceremony.
So you guys are lined up in order, and then
there's a mod, there's Brandon, and there's el all in
this picture, and it really kind of sums up what
that team from, at least when you joined the Giants
(10:08):
in five through eleven, what that team was all about,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I think so? I think so because that's one of
the things that excuse me going through and thinking back
on those things, which I don't often do at times,
because sometimes you just want those memories to be as
crystal clear as they can, and you don't want to
dwell when it's so to speak, not that you dwell,
but you know sometimes you know, people will say, oh,
(10:34):
you look like you can still play well. My best
by date is long gone.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So in that vein of what we did back then,
the offense we had kind of transmutated and became the
Giants offense. You know, whatever system we were running, and
I forget what was the impetus of it was the
beginning of it was we kind of took it and
(10:59):
transformed it into we did, and we made it our own,
and it was uniquely built to our talents and the
way our team was built, and because we were able
to consistently have the same individuals on the field week
in and week out, we were able to turn it
into what it ultimately came to be, which was pretty
darn good offense. I would say, all.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Right, the final question, and we're talking with Kareem McKenzie,
and it's everybody has a different answer. So let's take
the Super Bowls out, because I mean, that's what that's
what you dream of. But is there a game that
is one that always puts you in a happy place?
You know, for some guys, it's the Dallas game in
(11:40):
the playoffs, Others it's Green Bay or San Francisco, or
whatever the case might be. Is there one game that
you remember that walking off the field or that postgame
locker room where you're like, man, that was that was
some day or that was some night.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I honestly think we be unfair to say one game
in particular sticks out, because there are quite a few,
for me specifically, that do that. The one of them
of which is the first game ever at the new
Dallas Stadium Jerry Land down there. The first home game
(12:19):
they ever had in that stadium was a overtime loss
to us. You know, that will always be memorable because
it was like, oh, the first game ever, Like we
get to beat in the record books for this in particular. Right,
The second would be the NFC Championship game in Green Bay.
It was unbelievably cold. To have yourself be able to
(12:45):
perform in an environment like that, as cold as it was,
I never planned on being that cold again in life.
I will never wear short sleeves, shirt shorts sleeve's shirt
ever outside anything that it could be a fire. I'm
going to find clothes first before I go outside, right,
And also I think the Super Bowls. Of course you
have to include those aspects because the first one two
(13:09):
thousand and seven, no one gave us a shot that
we would even be able to come close to what
New England was on their offensive side of the ball,
and we found a way to win. We found a
way to win the second one, and even prior to
that game during that season, when the New England Paters
(13:29):
came here and they were I think it might have
been the last game in the season for them. I
forget exactly where it was, but we were so close
to beating them that we knew if we saw them again,
we had a pretty good shot at getting it done.
So a lot of different games hold those memories, and honestly,
(13:55):
I would have to sit down and really think about it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'm going to give you one more because you were
playing the Ravens and Ray Lewis and the Ravens were
touting about how they hadn't given up one hundred yard
rusher in x amount, and they didn't give up one
hundred yard rusher that day. But I think as a team,
you ran for like two point fifty on them at
(14:17):
Giant Stadium, and that was where the offensive line was
in full force. Oh wait, oh wait, so.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know, interestingly enough, we didn't have a one hundred
yard rusher individually, but I think overall that season we
were close to having three running backs over one thousand yards, yes,
for the whole season. So just the way we were
able to go ahead and run the ball as a whole.
(14:48):
And now I think about Yeah, that was the main
sticking point for them, And I think was it Rex?
Was it defensive coordinator back then as well?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't know Re was still there or had he
gone to the Jets yet, he might have still been there.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I mean that was one of the things about
them that they were, you know, Hellodi Nagata. I mean,
just that defensive line as a whole. We knew it
was going to be tough sledding to go ahead and
get the ball going. But yeah, Rex was still there,
I thought, so I thought, so, you know, but yeah,
all those different aspects. You know, a lot of great memories.
(15:30):
Got to do yourself here, gentlemen, go ahead, make sure
you can keep those good memories and you keep keep
that mind working right. But yeah, a lot of great stuff,
a lot of great stuff. Thank you, Kareem.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Doctor Kareem McKenzie, thank you for sharing your post playing
experiences well us as well as some times as the player.
We appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
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