November 10, 2025 • 46 mins
In this deeply moving episode, we honor the life and legacy of former defensive end Marshawn Kneeland, whose untimely passing has left a profound mark on the sports world. The ladies open up about their personal experiences with loss by suicide, exploring the shared grief, unanswered questions, and emotional ripple effects that follow. Together, they discuss how the pressures of the game—and life beyond the field—can weigh heavily on even the strongest among us. They call for a renewed commitment to empathy, mental wellness, and checking in on one another—not just as teammates or fans, but as human beings.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
COWS.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Girls Talk, Boys Talk, presented by invisi Line,
trusted by over five hundred NFL players for their winning smiles,
and broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the
Stock Now your host, Nicole Hutchison.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good morning, Cowboys Nation, Welcome in to Girls Talk, Boys Talk,
presented by Invisiline in the SWBC studio. I'm Nicole Hutchinson
alongside Brianna Aldridge, Christy Scales, and Aisha Morrison, and we're
just gonna go straight to it, ladies. Is not even
a good morning just because the Cowboys organization hell us,
(00:52):
we are mourning the loss of Cowboys second year defensive
end Marshaw Neelan, who tragically.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Took his own life last week.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I don't think we need to get into the
reports of Frisco Police Department just yet, but I do
want to take the time to honor Marshawn Nieland's life
and a special tribute right off the top of the show.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Let's go ahead and take a listen.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
The Dallas Cowboys selects Marshawn Neeland defensive vans from Western Michigan.
Let me let me go out here, let me let
me do a little more, you know what I'm saying.
And you look over, you know, Donald, y'all here, uh,
spicing it up, and you got to tell y'all here
doing what he do and it's like, okay, we got
(01:38):
all these guys that's just out here making plays and
make you feel. Okay, now let me go get something,
you know what I mean. So it's all, it's all great.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Marshawn Nyland, we all cover up for a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I heard heavy heavy heart today. I heard from Marshawn.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
I heard for his family, heard for his girlfriend, I
heard for every single one of my teammates.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
This is a pain that.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We got some technical difficulties, but it's all right. Just
I don't even know what to begin, y'all, Marshawn was.
Speaker 8 (02:17):
Good kid.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Losing him at twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean, you go into the room and he like,
literally is that bright spot? And unfortunately the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
No longer have him here.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Ladies go ahead, chime in, because I don't know if
I'm to be able to do this one.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I'm need y'alls help today.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
He was always bright and jolly, always had the smile
and seemed lighthearted. And that's why when you hear that
it was self inflicted, that that to me what was
truly shocking was because those you know, I think a
lot of the public that doesn't have a lot of
(03:00):
hopefully most people have not had to deal with this
kind of of tragedy, but you think people would be
like brooding into themselves and sad and morose, and Marshawn
was on the exterior to those you know tangentially around him,
(03:20):
it was just the opposite. And so that's what caught
me so off guard. I don't know if y'all felt
the same way.
Speaker 9 (03:30):
Yeah, I was avoiding this podcast because I knew this
was something we would have to get through. It was
something you were hoping that wasn't true. Like Christy said,
to think of it being self inflicted. I'm thinking of
the quote I saw from Solomon Thomas saying that, you know,
he wished his teammate would have known how much that
(03:50):
they wanted him to stay. Being in this situation, you
just start to see so many people in the community,
some people that have been covering this beat for so long,
starting to share their stories. And I think that's what
Marshawn Neland has done for this DFW community, has opened
(04:10):
up conversations. We know Dak Prescott, Solomon Thomas are advocates
of mental health and this is why, because it is real.
Mental health is something that especially when we're talking about
men Black men, don't talk about a lot. It's not
I know there was reports and they're like, why would.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He do this?
Speaker 9 (04:32):
It's being close to this topic and being affected by this,
losing a parent to this just a few years ago.
I can tell you firsthand, it's never one thing, it's
it leads up to it. And I think the hard
part is thinking about his family. Like we heard Dak
just say his girlfriend, right, his family. I know the
(04:53):
questions that come is what could I have done better?
Things like that, because like I said, it's not just
it's never just one moment. This is leading up to it,
and it's always the people you never would expect. And
I think that's what's shocking the table. It's always the
strong people, the smiley people. I remember talking to Solomon
Thomas about his sister. He said that she could always
(05:15):
light up a room and she was never shy and
she would go up to people like he's totally opposite
of like who he was, right, And I think that's
the hard part, and it's so relatable because he's younger
than all of us here at this table. I have
brothers a year older than him. You know, I think
that's the hard part and he's going to be missed.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Yeah, and Solomon's sister was the same age as Marshawn
when she left us.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
Yeah. When you talk about you know, not thinking, not
knowing what people are going through, and you also, you know,
you ladies have both mentioned is that it's always the
people that are smiling, that are bubbly, that light up
the room. And it's so interesting because I can even
talk about the football aspect of it is the first
(06:02):
time I watched Marshaun on film. You see the relentless
liss like the pursuit to the ball, the no quit
on him like in how he plays, and you know
him coming out as an edge defender, one of the
better edge defenders against the run. That's an want to
So even going into like the football part of it
(06:24):
is that that's what he displayed on the field, That's
who he was. It's this person that doesn't quit, but
then also too or doesn't just always keeps going, always
keeps going. And so then when you look at it
on the outside of things now with this situation, you say, well,
you really just can't never know in that sense, like
Brie was saying, it's not just one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And so as a.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
Veteran, I take this very seriously, as someone that has served,
that has unfortunately experienced this on a multitude of levels,
and it's just for me, it was a reminder that
I can't run from the reality of it in that sense.
Is that, you know, coming out of the military and
then coming into this work, I kind of thought I
(07:08):
was getting away from it. And I think this whole conversation,
this whole this whole situation, unfortunate situation, has sparked up
conversations about intersectionality, about race, about culture, about economics, about
gender norms, as you know Breed just mentioned, and I think,
(07:32):
you know, with us having this conversation is delicate, but
I think we got to be really honest about it.
I don't think we can escape past certain details regarding
this conversation, especially as it pertains to a league that
is a very diverse league. And that when I was
in the military, we used to say, like, when I
take this uniform off, I am who I am.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm green right now. But when I take it off,
I am and who I am.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
And I think that's something we have to remember with
these gentlemen when they come in there and they put
on that star and they put on these uniforms, is
that they are still you know, their childhoods where they
grew up, their family back home, their lived experiences, and
you know, I just I just I feel I feel like,
you know, I think it's healthy that we're having this conversation,
(08:19):
these conversations, but I really hope that people are looking
inward and also really looking outward and like who these
players are as people and looking at them as people,
which is something that we do on this podcast, and
that we continue to do that, and that this is
a reminder that we have to look at them as people.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think as well, you think a good point as
like even media, I feel like and we can keep
it a buck here. Some people forget that these players,
like you mentioned, do have stories and have lives outside
of football, and I think that that's why I love that,
(09:00):
you know, we all all of us ladies, including myself,
we pride ourselves on going into that locker room and
of course we get the football information. Of course we
you know, ask those good questions, but we also go
up to those players and say like and you don't
speak for myself, I say like, Marshaun, how are you?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know? Or wan Ye, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Like how's your family, how's your how's your kid, how's
your you know, girlfriend, or things like that.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Because it's not always about.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
What happened against the Broncos y'all, like what's good? Yeah,
it's about getting to know, you know, how these players
are doing outside of the field. And unfortunately, like you know,
Kneeland was just somebody who was just like it's all good,
you know, I'm I'm all good, like, but I do
(09:50):
want to you know, I put this out on social media,
but I want to thank him, like he was somebody
that I could go to and ask questions like no
question was a dumb question, and I appreciated that, like
even the conversations about his girlfriend or you know, him
trying to get me to watch anime.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Never gonna do it, sorry, So to this day, I'm
not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
From someone who like I could literally go see him
in the training table and just be like, what's up,
you know, breakfast, lunch, whatever.
Speaker 10 (10:22):
He was special.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But I also want to play this this interview that
I did with him for first and ten after he
got his first career sack, and he kind of shed
a light on his mommy.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
So let's go and take a listen.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The Dallas Cowboys select Mark.
Speaker 10 (10:45):
All right, all right, now let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Like, shoot, I can tell you this, Like, looking back
at it, I was like, Okay, we was kind of poor,
like growing up, but we was kind of we was poor,
but we was like looking back, I'm like, some of
the things that happened, I'm like thinking about it, you
know what I'm saying. But moms, she never complained, nevers
(11:10):
talked about it, never stressed, gave us everything we needed
and more, and you know, every day got up to
work regardless of what happened, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like she was one of them where it's like,
and I believe me, she had stuff going on. And
obviously I ain't gonna tell her business here, but she
had a lot going on from when she was like
fifteen all the way until you know the very end.
(11:32):
Always had a lot going on. So you know what
I'm saying, Just think about her memory and stuff like that,
like she never showed us, you know what I'm saying.
I'm sorry, think about it, like she never showed us
on anything, you know what I'm saying. So she never
she every day came with smile, came with love, gave
(11:55):
us time, working full time, still taking care of two
kids pretty much by herself, you know what I'm saying,
Like you're putting a word on her shoulder and looking
at us with a smile on her face, and we'll
never know, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's
stuff like that, like I think I thought about I
still do and just like okay, probably nah without a shadow.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And for those who don't know, he did lose his mom, uh,
Wendy Kneland about a year ago, and the year before
that his grandfather passed away as well.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So uh, he's dealt with quite a lot of loss.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And shout out to Dallas Morning News for speaking with
some family members.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I know his cousin had mentioned that, you know, he.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Never really dealt with the the grieving part of losing
his mom. So we officially don't know yet, but I I,
I truly believe that that could have been, you know,
maybe the reason why he did what he did. But
you know, ladies' thoughts.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And she she passed away right right before the combine,
and it was a an accidental overdose of painkillers according
to the front page story written by Lauren at Dallas
Morning News. So obviously very unexpected, and they believe it
was a mistake and filling on a prescription so overprescribed,
(13:18):
and I'm sorry, not over prescribed, but what she received
was a larger dosage and so very unexpected. And so
here's the time where he's trying to make the biggest
jump of his.
Speaker 10 (13:31):
Live career wise from college to pros.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
You have the combine and obviously performed well enough there
even in that situation that he merits a second round pick.
And then a month later when it should be the
highest of highs as you get selected by the Cowboys
and start your career, and you have other family and friends.
(13:54):
He's one of four children, has two sisters and brother,
you know, simply but not there to share it with
his mom and his grandpa. And then you're moving and
from Michigan. He's from Grand Rapids, and you moved from
Michigan to Dallas. And he had known his girlfriend, they
(14:14):
had met in college. But you're not surrounded by the
same number of family support members. You know your families,
most of them were in Michigan presumably. So yeah, that's
a tough transition into play. And he played a lot
as a rookie, right and big role and played so well.
(14:36):
But that's a lot of pressure weather from media, fans,
social media. But when you have these guys that reach
this level of play, they've been overachievers their entire lives, right,
always the best on their team, but just a lot
of self imposed pressure as well, right to be the
best and come in as a young guy and contribute
(14:57):
to the team. So the loss of his mom and
his grandpa, it's not just that they were gone, but
you know the timing and just what it must have
meant in terms of, you know, all of the changes
and the pressures as he began his new career at
I can't imagine what that would be like because we've
never There are very few people in the world, you
(15:19):
know that, and you're surrounded by people who've gone through
similar things in the locker room. But I think Bree's
point is right. You know, when these these young guys,
it's hard to talk about things like that, and that's
why guys like Solomon Thomas and Dak Prescott have devoted
so many resources with their respective foundations to help address
(15:42):
mental health and suicide prevention and just letting everybody know
that it's okay to not be okay and.
Speaker 10 (15:48):
To to talk about it.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
But you know, the resources are there, but you have
to be used and it they have to be used,
and it's hard to understand what's what's inside a person's head.
Speaker 10 (15:59):
And that's what again so shocking about Marshawn.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
You know, you would think just had the highest high
of his career scoring that touchdown, and two nights later
things changed so dramatically.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
Yeah, the highest of highs, and for Marshawn Neeland playing
for the Dallas Cowboys, I think we forget, we understand
it a little bit because we're here. But there's a
thirty two teams in the NFL, but this one's a
little bit different.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
This one holds a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
When you're talking about eyes on you, and this is
someone who I remember talking to him about when Sam
Williams went down and he said, I looked and I said,
you know, I'd never want that to happen to my teammates.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
But it also was like a wake up call.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Like, oh damn, Like I know what that means going
forward for myself, you know, someone thinking I'm going to
have some time to get adjusted.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And he really didn't have that time.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
He was in there and he was a starting player,
and of course it's injury and things like that happened.
But I remember also sitting there his rookie year in Oxnard,
and I'm, you know, like, how excited are you are
You're going to have a big, you know, fan base
family coming into town. And to your point, Christy, and
it hits more now than it did then when he
(17:09):
kind of was just like, uh no, not not a ton.
My girlfriend will be there for sure, and then kind
of just moved on to the next question. You know,
it didn't even think I didn't even hit until you know,
things like this, And I think that's like all the
little pieces start to add up, like Nicole's point about
his mom coming into you know, playing for the Dallas Cowboys,
(17:32):
having to move not having the same type of support.
And I think, speaking for myself again, with these big
moments that are coming with the person that I lost,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
They're not there for the big moments.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
There's certain moments I don't look forward to anymore because
of that person no longer there. But again, I think
Dak and Solomon Thomas there, there's the They're the good
part of what's happening, and I know they're going to
be heavily involved, just hearing from Dak his initial response
to the day of of how this was affecting him.
(18:07):
But I also think that there just has to be
more conversations, and there has to be uncomfortable conversations. Even
myself the first year that had happened, I never said
how that person died. I just, you know, they're like
people want to know typically, you know, and it just
wasn't something that I talked about until I started realizing
how many more people around me actually have been through
(18:30):
similar things. And I think seeing and listening to some
courageous people who cover the Cowboys honestly share their stories
with eye opening because these are guys that I'm with
all the time and joking around, and they're unserious in
my mind, and then you know they're actually sharing stories
and as men talking about how hard it is for
them to talk about or a shame they felt or
(18:51):
dealt with stuff in the quiet.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I think that's the hard part.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Of just having those conversations is a start, and that's
what Marshaw and death is doing for everyone.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yeah, I'm just taking it all and I'm just taking in,
you know, everyone's emotions and what everyone is feeling. Christy,
I think you mentioned something about you know him the combine,
you know, losing his mom, all of those things, and
the isolation also too is important. And I want to
(19:28):
also mention the isolation during injury and what injury does
for guys, especially when you talk about ACL when you
talk about you know, we look at a person like
a the Marian overshow and we're just like, oh, he's
just you know, he goes through his his rehab so seamlessly.
He's excited. Every time you see him, he's he's lighting
(19:50):
up the room. But there is another side of injury,
and I think we we also experienced that a little
bit with Jordan Lewis the other year where he had
that major foot injury and it. It was to a
point to where the coaches had to go check.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Up on him. Injury is isolating as well.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Yeah, rehabits is isolating as well, and through those times also,
you know where we're not.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Talking about these guys as much, where.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
They're not factors on the field. We need to also
keep in mind the isolation associated with the injury, with
the having to move away from your family and Christian
you mentioned the you know, the kind of self inflicted pressures.
There's a lot of outside pressure, Like, let's keep it
a thousand. A lot of these gentlemen are first generation
(20:35):
college graduates or college attendees pressure. A lot of these
gentlemen are first first generation guys that are making that
are above the poverty line pressure. There's so many conversations
to be had within this one conversation that I think
matter when it comes to talking about not only societal norms,
(20:58):
with the norms that we play on these players and
what they're expected to be and how they're expected to
show up and come up to the podium and say
all the right things, and even at the combine getting
to experience that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That is a very stressful week for those players.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
I mean, I remember getting to go and talk to
some of those guys and it is high stake stress
and they feel it very heavily. And so with that,
all of that in mind, I just feel like, as
we you know, close this conversation, is that as analysts,
as reporters, as anyone that covers the sport, it's our
job to to remember those elements of things even in
(21:37):
our analysis.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Can we be honest? Absolutely?
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Can we can we hold people accountable, absolutely, But there's
there's elements of the game that we don't see because
even to the point of his mom passing, you know
how many people didn't know that?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's crazy? Do you know how many people are just
now finding that out?
Speaker 8 (21:54):
And there's nothing wrong with Obviously everyone's not gonna be informed.
But with that in mind, the mcl injury last year,
him kind of trying to battle back this year, if
you knew that, how would you handle this situation, how
would you analyze the edge room, how would you talk
about those things? So I just I think it's important
(22:14):
for us to go the extra min of be informed so.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
We can be better moving forward, and that we can
continue to make sure that we.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Have integrity with our reporting and with how we talk
about this game and to humanize this game as we
as we talk about this game that we love so much.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
I have a note from when he first came in.
I mean, you see it, I usould look at it
right here.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
And it was from his rookie year and he wore
a necklace with ashes that.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
His mommy around it.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
And so I had a.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Note and it's like, you know, I guys, guys wear
jewelry during games, and I mean some of them, the
chains or I mean, you can't miss him. But I
had a note to ask him if he would actually
wear that during the games. I mean, I wouldn't think
so what if something broke and so, but I always
felt funny. It's like I don't want to ask him
(23:10):
about his mother's death and so not not now. I
mean I don't. I don't really know him yet. And
that was from the rookie year. So it's like, oh wait,
I'll wait, I'll wait. It's like, you know, yeah, gosh,
so it's it's okay to pick a time to ask
about that because you're you're You're right. I love what
you said about you know, getting to know you know,
(23:30):
we can we can share our opinions if someone's not planning.
I'm not picking on Marshawn here, I'm just saying, anybody,
anymo we say, hey, this play was missed. As long
as you're fair, you can you can criticize a team
or a player as long as you don't make it personal.
But it needs to be personal our interactions during the week,
(23:53):
and for.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Us it is. I think that's what's fun.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
And honestly, we get away with that more because we're girls.
Speaker 10 (23:59):
It's okay. It's okay for going, hey, how's your baby doing?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Or hey, how she knew how?
Speaker 8 (24:05):
And that goes back to the conversation that we're having
right now badly and so and so.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
That's fun and we can do that more because because
we're girls and my whole career covering the team, it's
always been like that. But don't bring that, you know,
in the criticism, don't make it personal, but use the
personal part ticket to know people and let them know
that you care about them beyond what they do on
the field.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I want to say, thank god we have Shoddy.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Nick Harris actually mentioned that too as well, But thank
goodness we do have a coach like Shoddy that since
day one, I mean probably even when he was OC
but since day one he became the head coach, he
prioritized family and making sure that he checks on his
guys every single day. So I do want to make
(24:52):
sure that we note that, and you know, shout out
to the NFL for doing moments of silence for Marshaon
Nealon in his honor, So definitely I wanted to make
sure we threw that out there. But also, Marshaon Nelan,
you are missed. You were loved here, you were loved everywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And rest in peace, young king. We're going to take
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Speaker 2 (27:26):
All Right, Welcome back into Girls Talk, Boys Talk, presented
by visit Line in the SWBC studio Nicole Hutcheson, Rihanna Aldridge,
Christie Scales and Aisham Morrison and Christian I'm gonna go
throw to straight off the bat. How has this team
dealt with situations like this? Because it's it's not something
that's easy.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Yeah, the well Marcus Paul, the strength and conditioning coach
that was back in twenty twelve. It was a Tuesday
morning between the Sunday game leading into the Thanksgiving Day
game and early early in the morning, and people arrive, oh,
I'd say between like six and six thirty to maybe
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do their lifts, some of them before the.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
First team meeting of the day.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
And you know, Marcus had had collapsed and taken to
the hospital and passed away and beloved, beloved by And
that's the thing about the strength and conditioning coaches. They
work with everybody on the team, right offense, defense, practice
squad guys, you know.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
And that was such a shock.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
But the one that was most different was in twenty twelve,
the situation where Josh Brent, the defensive tackle for the Cowboys,
was involved in a car crash and teammate, his teammate
from University of Illinois and who had just signed to
the Cowboys practice squad two weeks earlier, Jerry Brown, was
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killed in that crash and it had happened overnight. It
was a Friday night into an early Saturday morning, and
we literally were on the plane. This was the second
game after the Thanksgiving game, going to Cincinnati, both teams
needing a win to try and stay.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
In the.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
In the playoff picture, and Cincinnati was favored in that game.
And we literally are on the plane wondering why, you know,
haven't taken off yet, and everyone but the players and
coaches and the staff like the equipment managers and the
like were asked to dboard the plane. So we literally
(29:32):
got off the plane and were standing on the tarmac.
And that's when I remember Mike Doosey from Fox four
saw he looked at his phone and said, uh oh.
And meanwhile, Jason Garrett, who was head coach at the time,
was telling everybody on the plane using the you know,
the announced thing over the plane to say that there
(29:53):
was the accident and Joshua was hospitalized and Jerry had
passed away. And the league doesn't stop. I can talk
later if you want about what happened with nine to eleven.
You know, they delayed games by one weekend. We ended
up having to make up that game in January. But
the league doesn't stop. And that's that's the thing about
this week is the players are having to come back
(30:16):
off of a bye week and prepare for the Raiders
while also mourning the loss of a teammate. And I
don't know yet about about services and how I'll be
real honest behind the scenes here at the Star. We're
all kind of in a holding pattern as to what
this schedule is going to be for this week. We
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honestly don't know, and I think that they're obviously waiting
for clarity with the situations and how services for Marshawn.
If they do know that, they just found out and
are getting the word out. But yeah, that's that's the
tough part about this week. But what happened with the
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game in Cincinnati. We all got back on the plane
and by then everyone knew what was going on. It
was obviously very somber and went to Cincinnati, and those
of us who've been around a long time and covered
all of Jason Garrett's career from the time he was
a third string quarterback to his time as head coach
(31:19):
would say that was his probably his finest moment with
the Cowboys was the Cowboys got the upset win one
twenty to nineteen. I think that was the final score
there in Cincinnati, and the Cowboys ultimately didn't make the
playoffs that year, but stayed with it. But they took
Joshus and Jerry's jerseys and hung them in the locker
(31:44):
there in Cincinnati, and then Jerry's locker here as a
practice squad member through the remainder of the season. So
that was so unusual. But again, as tragic as things are,
the league plays on and you're expected to deal with it,
and and that's what they're they're going to have to do.
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But at least now the players and the coaches are together,
Whereas when this happened last week, you know, Wednesday night
into it early Thursday morning, most people had already dispersed.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
It's the only time.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
That guys get to like go home or you know
and leave and have you know, like five four or
five consecutive days off, and so a lot of them
were had already left.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I can't even imagine how those guys feel, yeah, because
like and I feel, like I told I used of
this when we were on the phone. Like you're already
dealing with you know, ups and downs of the season,
right and then your own personal, uh things that you're
dealing with in your own life, and then you get
this like a little bit of life with you know,
(32:49):
the Cowboys trade for Quinn Williams and we get some
new pieces and you know, so obviously there was a
lot of excitement in the locker room where you know,
even Dak was like, you know, Pomped can't curse on
the show, but you know, and then you get news
that your brother, you know, for some best friend passed away,
(33:11):
Like how do you even how do you even move
forward with that?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Because I mean I.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Get it, like together, yeah, like because I get it.
It's a you know, the league doesn't stop, but.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Like mentally, you know, I think that goes back into
Christy just said the league doesn't stop it, Like.
Speaker 10 (33:31):
I say, you've got to They've got to get back in.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
What people saying is that it keeps life keeps going.
And for I don't know how about you guys, but
like me being at work and being so busy, like
I was covering the story and it really didn't hit
me till I was by myself driving and then here
started coming down my eyes. But I had gone the
whole day at work like moving, moving, and I think
(33:56):
I'm glad these guys are back in.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
The building together.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
To Nicole's point, have a coach like Brian Schahammer that
everyone's more than confident that he's going to handle this
the right way. And I know there's some people, you know,
eager to hear more and ask the questions. But I'm
very happy that Shoty's going to take care of his
players first. I know that one hundred and ten percent
(34:19):
into just thinking about the league going. I remember sitting
there when DeMar Hamblin's heart stopped for two minutes on
the field. I'd never heard such a stadium go silent, and.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Again bawling my eyes out.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
This is a man that you know, I've worked with closely,
thinking that this is that I just watched him go
because we were kind of they put us in the tunnel,
so we weren't even the press box.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
There was no TVs. You know, everybody had gone commercial.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
I think it was Lisa was covering the game, kind
of giving some updates, doing excellent reporting that night. But
I think they went out for like a snap and
we were like, how are we going to cover this game?
And then they ended up postponing it, rescheduling and things
like that.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But yeah, this this is a it's sick. It's a business.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Like well, I was about I agree, it is like
the league doesn't stop, you know, when you're saying that,
it just stood out so much to me because I
just remember standing informations after we found a soldier and
you gotta keep going. And I whereas I agree with you, Christy,
I understand that for some people, staying busy, staying occupied
(35:27):
is you know, is a is a way to like
not think about it.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
But then you have the quiet time.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Yeah, we have the quiet time, and then you have
the reality of do you think these.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Guys don't know that the league doesn't stop? Do you
think that these guys.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Don't know that when they retire and when they get
injured or things or they fall off, this game is
gonna keep going without them and the reality of that
and sitting in that, and I just I just I
just feel like the league doesn't stop as the whole
it could be positive.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I feel like when you say it out loud.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
It sounds incredibly disassociated of the reality of this being
people's lives.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
Well, And I just would like to follow up because
I mentioned Josh Brent and longtime Cowboy fans. Hard to
believe that was thirteen years ago, but fans remember that
that incident happened. Josh ended up having to serve time,
he came back in his career. He actually he actually
(36:29):
played again. But here's the end of the story. Josh
Brent works for the Cowboys. His office is just right
just there, you know, about sixty yards away that way
on the second floor in scouting. So he yeah, and
a lot of people don't realize that that with the
(36:50):
support of the team, with teammates and a lot of
want to himself. I mean he was college teammates that
was like one of his best friends. And the first
thing that happened was that because they had the service
for Jerry Brown, and Josh was right there because and
his mother forgave him. I mean they were great friends
(37:12):
growing up from him from college, very close and you know,
with that forgiveness and the support of the organization and
friends and family, and Josh has really continued to make
something of his life and contributes to the team now
as a member of the scouting department.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
All we're going to take our second break.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
We're here on Girls Boys Talk and keep.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Shining a light on Marshaun Neeland up next here on
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All right, welcome back into Girls Talk BOYSTOK presented by
Bize Line in the SWBC studio Nicole I, just In
browna Aldridge, Christy Scales, Aisha Morrison, and wrapping up the show.
But first I do want to ask y'all question, do
you'll have a favorite memory of nielan interaction?
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Yeah, the the uh. Actually it was more than this
his second year, so this past summer. It was in Oxnard,
and the guys will go and they'll sign autographs leaving
the field or coming on the field.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
And.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Most of the time the fans are yelling for you know,
the star players and stuff like that. And it was
funny because Neiland when he was signing autographs this year,
he's walking off and it's like, they know my name
this year, they know my name this year today, ninety four,
ninety four, you know, so so just just the smile
on his face and he just kind of kind of
laughing like, oh, yeah, they know my name this year.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
I would say his rookie season because it was my
rookie season two and I don't know who was more
nervous me or him during the interview. I think he
might have been my I want to say he was
my second sit down that I had, but I was like,
you know, my palms are kind of sweaty and I'm
still learning this team.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I think it was.
Speaker 9 (41:17):
Literally like my third week when they sent me dog Snard,
like living in Dallas, like I wasn't even I was
living in a hotel at the time. So I'm sitting
there with with Nielan and I remember after I was
talking to photographer.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I was like, I like him.
Speaker 9 (41:29):
I was like, because some guys they're very they're all
business and you gotta kind of peel to get something.
But like straight out of the gate, I just remember
every question that I had, the answer he had like
that little and you sat down with him to go
he has like that little laugh like after it don't
matter what I'm He'll be like yeah, And I was like,
what so that it's not but it's I laugh because
(41:52):
he's laughing, and it makes it makes the atmosphere of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
More, you know, Like he boosted my comp finance early.
Speaker 9 (42:00):
So we were two rookies, so I think figuring it
out that's how I look at it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
That's how I remember him.
Speaker 8 (42:05):
My favorite memory of him is sitting in this chair
on The Drift Show and we had a segment like
who's a player that you don't want a team in
the division to draft? And I was like, Hey, I
don't want to see Marshawn Newan twice a year because
just the wave that he I mean, y'all, it's just
(42:26):
like never quit to the ball. I was just like,
I don't want to see him on Philly Ick. And
I remember the first time getting to talk to him
outside the locker room and I told him about that
and he was like.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Me, me, you don't want to see me?
Speaker 10 (42:40):
And I was like yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
And then I also was like, you also.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Look like, you know, with your size, man, you could
move inside a little bit.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
He was like, I'm gonna keep it on the low.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And just that little bit of interaction is just, you know.
Speaker 10 (42:52):
Like always a little twinkle over.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Yeah, it felt like I was talking to a cousin.
It felt like I was talking to somebody I knew.
And I think that relatability was dope with him. So
just laughing with him a little bit was fun.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna say all my interactions.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
But if I had to choose one, it was training
camp when you know, obviously the players come off the field,
you can describe whoever.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
You want, and I can't go out to y'all.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
That was a long time ago, so I don't remember
the exact question I asked, but I remember the interaction.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
And I'd asked him a football question.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Probably was a dumb one.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
But don't matter, but he had it was something along
the lines that he remembered when I first like came
in and I first came in, but like when he
first interacted with me his rookie season, and I'd asked
him like something stupid, and he was like, you're starting
to know ball a.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Little bit, like man shout out to you, shout out
to you.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
And I was like, nah, nah, it's not me, but nah,
it was all my interactions.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I've been cool with Marshaun, just from like I mentioned earlier,
seeing him in passing, even making sure I speak to
him every day in locker room when they do have availability,
and all y'all have had interactions as well. So that's
gonna be definitely one hundred percent missed. And you know, unfortunately,
this was hands down the most difficult show we have
(44:11):
had to do, but we.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
We got it. We got through a lady got through it.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
And you know, like Christy mentioned earlier, we don't really
know the schedule just yet. I'm sure we'll hear something
from either PR or Coach Shotty either today maybe not.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And that's okay.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I hope that, you know, those guys and this coaching
staff take the time that they need in order to
heal and process this.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
So yeah, unfortunately we gotta go.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I gotta get ready for this d game. Unfortunately we
do a little extra time.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, a little extra time.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
It's like a blah blah bye, like a bye blah
bye bye, not just a vibe.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's what extra.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I guess we could look at it that way, all right,
that uh we are.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
We're to see all tomorrow. Unfortunately that's around the day show.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 9 (45:04):
Fortunately tomorrow, I'm happy to see.
Speaker 10 (45:07):
I ain't trying to see y'all.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
I'm happy to see y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's just tough having to do that and talk about it,
but no, I am happy to see all Tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
We're gonna be back here at eight am talking ball.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
For Breonna Aldridge, Christie Scales, I used Morrison.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I'm Nicole Hedgeson will be back here tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Girls Talk, Boys Talk, presented by invisi Line,
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good morning, Cowboys Nation, Welcome in to Girls Talk, Boys Talk,
presented by Invisiline in the SWBC studio. I'm Nicole Hutchinson
alongside Brianna Aldridge, Christy Scales, and Aisha Morrison, and we're
just gonna go straight to it, ladies. Is not even
a good morning just because the Cowboys organization hell us,
(00:52):
we are mourning the loss of Cowboys second year defensive
end Marshaw Neelan, who tragically.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Took his own life last week.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I don't think we need to get into the
reports of Frisco Police Department just yet, but I do
want to take the time to honor Marshawn Nieland's life
and a special tribute right off the top of the show.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Let's go ahead and take a listen.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
The Dallas Cowboys selects Marshawn Neeland defensive vans from Western Michigan.
Let me let me go out here, let me let
me do a little more, you know what I'm saying.
And you look over, you know, Donald, y'all here, uh,
spicing it up, and you got to tell y'all here
doing what he do and it's like, okay, we got
(01:38):
all these guys that's just out here making plays and
make you feel. Okay, now let me go get something,
you know what I mean. So it's all, it's all great.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Marshawn Nyland, we all cover up for a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I heard heavy heavy heart today. I heard from Marshawn.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
I heard for his family, heard for his girlfriend, I
heard for every single one of my teammates.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
This is a pain that.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We got some technical difficulties, but it's all right. Just
I don't even know what to begin, y'all, Marshawn was.
Speaker 8 (02:17):
Good kid.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Losing him at twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean, you go into the room and he like,
literally is that bright spot? And unfortunately the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
No longer have him here.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Ladies go ahead, chime in, because I don't know if
I'm to be able to do this one.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I'm need y'alls help today.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
He was always bright and jolly, always had the smile
and seemed lighthearted. And that's why when you hear that
it was self inflicted, that that to me what was
truly shocking was because those you know, I think a
lot of the public that doesn't have a lot of
(03:00):
hopefully most people have not had to deal with this
kind of of tragedy, but you think people would be
like brooding into themselves and sad and morose, and Marshawn
was on the exterior to those you know tangentially around him,
(03:20):
it was just the opposite. And so that's what caught
me so off guard. I don't know if y'all felt
the same way.
Speaker 9 (03:30):
Yeah, I was avoiding this podcast because I knew this
was something we would have to get through. It was
something you were hoping that wasn't true. Like Christy said,
to think of it being self inflicted. I'm thinking of
the quote I saw from Solomon Thomas saying that, you know,
he wished his teammate would have known how much that
(03:50):
they wanted him to stay. Being in this situation, you
just start to see so many people in the community,
some people that have been covering this beat for so long,
starting to share their stories. And I think that's what
Marshawn Neland has done for this DFW community, has opened
(04:10):
up conversations. We know Dak Prescott, Solomon Thomas are advocates
of mental health and this is why, because it is real.
Mental health is something that especially when we're talking about
men Black men, don't talk about a lot. It's not
I know there was reports and they're like, why would.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He do this?
Speaker 9 (04:32):
It's being close to this topic and being affected by this,
losing a parent to this just a few years ago.
I can tell you firsthand, it's never one thing, it's
it leads up to it. And I think the hard
part is thinking about his family. Like we heard Dak
just say his girlfriend, right, his family. I know the
(04:53):
questions that come is what could I have done better?
Things like that, because like I said, it's not just
it's never just one moment. This is leading up to it,
and it's always the people you never would expect. And
I think that's what's shocking the table. It's always the
strong people, the smiley people. I remember talking to Solomon
Thomas about his sister. He said that she could always
(05:15):
light up a room and she was never shy and
she would go up to people like he's totally opposite
of like who he was, right, And I think that's
the hard part, and it's so relatable because he's younger
than all of us here at this table. I have
brothers a year older than him. You know, I think
that's the hard part and he's going to be missed.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Yeah, and Solomon's sister was the same age as Marshawn
when she left us.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
Yeah. When you talk about you know, not thinking, not
knowing what people are going through, and you also, you know,
you ladies have both mentioned is that it's always the
people that are smiling, that are bubbly, that light up
the room. And it's so interesting because I can even
talk about the football aspect of it is the first
(06:02):
time I watched Marshaun on film. You see the relentless
liss like the pursuit to the ball, the no quit
on him like in how he plays, and you know
him coming out as an edge defender, one of the
better edge defenders against the run. That's an want to
So even going into like the football part of it
(06:24):
is that that's what he displayed on the field, That's
who he was. It's this person that doesn't quit, but
then also too or doesn't just always keeps going, always
keeps going. And so then when you look at it
on the outside of things now with this situation, you say, well,
you really just can't never know in that sense, like
Brie was saying, it's not just one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And so as a.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
Veteran, I take this very seriously, as someone that has served,
that has unfortunately experienced this on a multitude of levels,
and it's just for me, it was a reminder that
I can't run from the reality of it in that sense.
Is that, you know, coming out of the military and
then coming into this work, I kind of thought I
(07:08):
was getting away from it. And I think this whole conversation,
this whole this whole situation, unfortunate situation, has sparked up
conversations about intersectionality, about race, about culture, about economics, about
gender norms, as you know Breed just mentioned, and I think,
(07:32):
you know, with us having this conversation is delicate, but
I think we got to be really honest about it.
I don't think we can escape past certain details regarding
this conversation, especially as it pertains to a league that
is a very diverse league. And that when I was
in the military, we used to say, like, when I
take this uniform off, I am who I am.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm green right now. But when I take it off,
I am and who I am.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
And I think that's something we have to remember with
these gentlemen when they come in there and they put
on that star and they put on these uniforms, is
that they are still you know, their childhoods where they
grew up, their family back home, their lived experiences, and
you know, I just I just I feel I feel like,
you know, I think it's healthy that we're having this conversation,
(08:19):
these conversations, but I really hope that people are looking
inward and also really looking outward and like who these
players are as people and looking at them as people,
which is something that we do on this podcast, and
that we continue to do that, and that this is
a reminder that we have to look at them as people.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think as well, you think a good point as
like even media, I feel like and we can keep
it a buck here. Some people forget that these players,
like you mentioned, do have stories and have lives outside
of football, and I think that that's why I love that,
(09:00):
you know, we all all of us ladies, including myself,
we pride ourselves on going into that locker room and
of course we get the football information. Of course we
you know, ask those good questions, but we also go
up to those players and say like and you don't
speak for myself, I say like, Marshaun, how are you?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know? Or wan Ye, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Like how's your family, how's your how's your kid, how's
your you know, girlfriend, or things like that.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Because it's not always about.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
What happened against the Broncos y'all, like what's good? Yeah,
it's about getting to know, you know, how these players
are doing outside of the field. And unfortunately, like you know,
Kneeland was just somebody who was just like it's all good,
you know, I'm I'm all good, like, but I do
(09:50):
want to you know, I put this out on social media,
but I want to thank him, like he was somebody
that I could go to and ask questions like no
question was a dumb question, and I appreciated that, like
even the conversations about his girlfriend or you know, him
trying to get me to watch anime.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Never gonna do it, sorry, So to this day, I'm
not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
From someone who like I could literally go see him
in the training table and just be like, what's up,
you know, breakfast, lunch, whatever.
Speaker 10 (10:22):
He was special.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But I also want to play this this interview that
I did with him for first and ten after he
got his first career sack, and he kind of shed
a light on his mommy.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
So let's go and take a listen.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The Dallas Cowboys select Mark.
Speaker 10 (10:45):
All right, all right, now let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Like, shoot, I can tell you this, Like, looking back
at it, I was like, Okay, we was kind of poor,
like growing up, but we was kind of we was poor,
but we was like looking back, I'm like, some of
the things that happened, I'm like thinking about it, you
know what I'm saying. But moms, she never complained, nevers
(11:10):
talked about it, never stressed, gave us everything we needed
and more, and you know, every day got up to
work regardless of what happened, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like she was one of them where it's like,
and I believe me, she had stuff going on. And
obviously I ain't gonna tell her business here, but she
had a lot going on from when she was like
fifteen all the way until you know the very end.
(11:32):
Always had a lot going on. So you know what
I'm saying, Just think about her memory and stuff like that,
like she never showed us, you know what I'm saying.
I'm sorry, think about it, like she never showed us
on anything, you know what I'm saying. So she never
she every day came with smile, came with love, gave
(11:55):
us time, working full time, still taking care of two
kids pretty much by herself, you know what I'm saying,
Like you're putting a word on her shoulder and looking
at us with a smile on her face, and we'll
never know, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's
stuff like that, like I think I thought about I
still do and just like okay, probably nah without a shadow.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And for those who don't know, he did lose his mom, uh,
Wendy Kneland about a year ago, and the year before
that his grandfather passed away as well.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So uh, he's dealt with quite a lot of loss.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And shout out to Dallas Morning News for speaking with
some family members.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I know his cousin had mentioned that, you know, he.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Never really dealt with the the grieving part of losing
his mom. So we officially don't know yet, but I I,
I truly believe that that could have been, you know,
maybe the reason why he did what he did. But
you know, ladies' thoughts.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And she she passed away right right before the combine,
and it was a an accidental overdose of painkillers according
to the front page story written by Lauren at Dallas
Morning News. So obviously very unexpected, and they believe it
was a mistake and filling on a prescription so overprescribed,
(13:18):
and I'm sorry, not over prescribed, but what she received
was a larger dosage and so very unexpected. And so
here's the time where he's trying to make the biggest
jump of his.
Speaker 10 (13:31):
Live career wise from college to pros.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
You have the combine and obviously performed well enough there
even in that situation that he merits a second round pick.
And then a month later when it should be the
highest of highs as you get selected by the Cowboys
and start your career, and you have other family and friends.
(13:54):
He's one of four children, has two sisters and brother,
you know, simply but not there to share it with
his mom and his grandpa. And then you're moving and
from Michigan. He's from Grand Rapids, and you moved from
Michigan to Dallas. And he had known his girlfriend, they
(14:14):
had met in college. But you're not surrounded by the
same number of family support members. You know your families,
most of them were in Michigan presumably. So yeah, that's
a tough transition into play. And he played a lot
as a rookie, right and big role and played so well.
(14:36):
But that's a lot of pressure weather from media, fans,
social media. But when you have these guys that reach
this level of play, they've been overachievers their entire lives, right,
always the best on their team, but just a lot
of self imposed pressure as well, right to be the
best and come in as a young guy and contribute
(14:57):
to the team. So the loss of his mom and
his grandpa, it's not just that they were gone, but
you know the timing and just what it must have
meant in terms of, you know, all of the changes
and the pressures as he began his new career at
I can't imagine what that would be like because we've
never There are very few people in the world, you
(15:19):
know that, and you're surrounded by people who've gone through
similar things in the locker room. But I think Bree's
point is right. You know, when these these young guys,
it's hard to talk about things like that, and that's
why guys like Solomon Thomas and Dak Prescott have devoted
so many resources with their respective foundations to help address
(15:42):
mental health and suicide prevention and just letting everybody know
that it's okay to not be okay and.
Speaker 10 (15:48):
To to talk about it.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
But you know, the resources are there, but you have
to be used and it they have to be used,
and it's hard to understand what's what's inside a person's head.
Speaker 10 (15:59):
And that's what again so shocking about Marshawn.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
You know, you would think just had the highest high
of his career scoring that touchdown, and two nights later
things changed so dramatically.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
Yeah, the highest of highs, and for Marshawn Neeland playing
for the Dallas Cowboys, I think we forget, we understand
it a little bit because we're here. But there's a
thirty two teams in the NFL, but this one's a
little bit different.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
This one holds a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
When you're talking about eyes on you, and this is
someone who I remember talking to him about when Sam
Williams went down and he said, I looked and I said,
you know, I'd never want that to happen to my teammates.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
But it also was like a wake up call.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Like, oh damn, Like I know what that means going
forward for myself, you know, someone thinking I'm going to
have some time to get adjusted.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And he really didn't have that time.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
He was in there and he was a starting player,
and of course it's injury and things like that happened.
But I remember also sitting there his rookie year in Oxnard,
and I'm, you know, like, how excited are you are
You're going to have a big, you know, fan base
family coming into town. And to your point, Christy, and
it hits more now than it did then when he
(17:09):
kind of was just like, uh no, not not a ton.
My girlfriend will be there for sure, and then kind
of just moved on to the next question. You know,
it didn't even think I didn't even hit until you know,
things like this, And I think that's like all the
little pieces start to add up, like Nicole's point about
his mom coming into you know, playing for the Dallas Cowboys,
(17:32):
having to move not having the same type of support.
And I think, speaking for myself again, with these big
moments that are coming with the person that I lost,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
They're not there for the big moments.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
There's certain moments I don't look forward to anymore because
of that person no longer there. But again, I think
Dak and Solomon Thomas there, there's the They're the good
part of what's happening, and I know they're going to
be heavily involved, just hearing from Dak his initial response
to the day of of how this was affecting him.
(18:07):
But I also think that there just has to be
more conversations, and there has to be uncomfortable conversations. Even
myself the first year that had happened, I never said
how that person died. I just, you know, they're like
people want to know typically, you know, and it just
wasn't something that I talked about until I started realizing
how many more people around me actually have been through
(18:30):
similar things. And I think seeing and listening to some
courageous people who cover the Cowboys honestly share their stories
with eye opening because these are guys that I'm with
all the time and joking around, and they're unserious in
my mind, and then you know they're actually sharing stories
and as men talking about how hard it is for
them to talk about or a shame they felt or
(18:51):
dealt with stuff in the quiet.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I think that's the hard part.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Of just having those conversations is a start, and that's
what Marshaw and death is doing for everyone.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yeah, I'm just taking it all and I'm just taking in,
you know, everyone's emotions and what everyone is feeling. Christy,
I think you mentioned something about you know him the combine,
you know, losing his mom, all of those things, and
the isolation also too is important. And I want to
(19:28):
also mention the isolation during injury and what injury does
for guys, especially when you talk about ACL when you
talk about you know, we look at a person like
a the Marian overshow and we're just like, oh, he's
just you know, he goes through his his rehab so seamlessly.
He's excited. Every time you see him, he's he's lighting
(19:50):
up the room. But there is another side of injury,
and I think we we also experienced that a little
bit with Jordan Lewis the other year where he had
that major foot injury and it. It was to a
point to where the coaches had to go check.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Up on him. Injury is isolating as well.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Yeah, rehabits is isolating as well, and through those times also,
you know where we're not.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Talking about these guys as much, where.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
They're not factors on the field. We need to also
keep in mind the isolation associated with the injury, with
the having to move away from your family and Christian
you mentioned the you know, the kind of self inflicted pressures.
There's a lot of outside pressure, Like, let's keep it
a thousand. A lot of these gentlemen are first generation
(20:35):
college graduates or college attendees pressure. A lot of these
gentlemen are first first generation guys that are making that
are above the poverty line pressure. There's so many conversations
to be had within this one conversation that I think
matter when it comes to talking about not only societal norms,
(20:58):
with the norms that we play on these players and
what they're expected to be and how they're expected to
show up and come up to the podium and say
all the right things, and even at the combine getting
to experience that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That is a very stressful week for those players.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
I mean, I remember getting to go and talk to
some of those guys and it is high stake stress
and they feel it very heavily. And so with that,
all of that in mind, I just feel like, as
we you know, close this conversation, is that as analysts,
as reporters, as anyone that covers the sport, it's our
job to to remember those elements of things even in
(21:37):
our analysis.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Can we be honest? Absolutely?
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Can we can we hold people accountable, absolutely, But there's
there's elements of the game that we don't see because
even to the point of his mom passing, you know
how many people didn't know that?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's crazy? Do you know how many people are just
now finding that out?
Speaker 8 (21:54):
And there's nothing wrong with Obviously everyone's not gonna be informed.
But with that in mind, the mcl injury last year,
him kind of trying to battle back this year, if
you knew that, how would you handle this situation, how
would you analyze the edge room, how would you talk
about those things? So I just I think it's important
(22:14):
for us to go the extra min of be informed so.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
We can be better moving forward, and that we can
continue to make sure that we.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Have integrity with our reporting and with how we talk
about this game and to humanize this game as we
as we talk about this game that we love so much.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
I have a note from when he first came in.
I mean, you see it, I usould look at it
right here.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
And it was from his rookie year and he wore
a necklace with ashes that.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
His mommy around it.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
And so I had a.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Note and it's like, you know, I guys, guys wear
jewelry during games, and I mean some of them, the
chains or I mean, you can't miss him. But I
had a note to ask him if he would actually
wear that during the games. I mean, I wouldn't think
so what if something broke and so, but I always
felt funny. It's like I don't want to ask him
(23:10):
about his mother's death and so not not now. I
mean I don't. I don't really know him yet. And
that was from the rookie year. So it's like, oh wait,
I'll wait, I'll wait. It's like, you know, yeah, gosh,
so it's it's okay to pick a time to ask
about that because you're you're You're right. I love what
you said about you know, getting to know you know,
(23:30):
we can we can share our opinions if someone's not planning.
I'm not picking on Marshawn here, I'm just saying, anybody,
anymo we say, hey, this play was missed. As long
as you're fair, you can you can criticize a team
or a player as long as you don't make it personal.
But it needs to be personal our interactions during the week,
(23:53):
and for.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Us it is. I think that's what's fun.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
And honestly, we get away with that more because we're girls.
Speaker 10 (23:59):
It's okay. It's okay for going, hey, how's your baby doing?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Or hey, how she knew how?
Speaker 8 (24:05):
And that goes back to the conversation that we're having
right now badly and so and so.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
That's fun and we can do that more because because
we're girls and my whole career covering the team, it's
always been like that. But don't bring that, you know,
in the criticism, don't make it personal, but use the
personal part ticket to know people and let them know
that you care about them beyond what they do on
the field.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I want to say, thank god we have Shoddy.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Nick Harris actually mentioned that too as well, But thank
goodness we do have a coach like Shoddy that since
day one, I mean probably even when he was OC
but since day one he became the head coach, he
prioritized family and making sure that he checks on his
guys every single day. So I do want to make
(24:52):
sure that we note that, and you know, shout out
to the NFL for doing moments of silence for Marshaon
Nealon in his honor, So definitely I wanted to make
sure we threw that out there. But also, Marshaon Nelan,
you are missed. You were loved here, you were loved everywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And rest in peace, young king. We're going to take
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All Right, Welcome back into Girls Talk, Boys Talk, presented
by visit Line in the SWBC studio Nicole Hutcheson, Rihanna Aldridge,
Christie Scales and Aisham Morrison and Christian I'm gonna go
throw to straight off the bat. How has this team
dealt with situations like this? Because it's it's not something
that's easy.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Yeah, the well Marcus Paul, the strength and conditioning coach
that was back in twenty twelve. It was a Tuesday
morning between the Sunday game leading into the Thanksgiving Day
game and early early in the morning, and people arrive, oh,
I'd say between like six and six thirty to maybe
(28:04):
do their lifts, some of them before the.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
First team meeting of the day.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
And you know, Marcus had had collapsed and taken to
the hospital and passed away and beloved, beloved by And
that's the thing about the strength and conditioning coaches. They
work with everybody on the team, right offense, defense, practice
squad guys, you know.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
And that was such a shock.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
But the one that was most different was in twenty twelve,
the situation where Josh Brent, the defensive tackle for the Cowboys,
was involved in a car crash and teammate, his teammate
from University of Illinois and who had just signed to
the Cowboys practice squad two weeks earlier, Jerry Brown, was
(28:53):
killed in that crash and it had happened overnight. It
was a Friday night into an early Saturday morning, and
we literally were on the plane. This was the second
game after the Thanksgiving game, going to Cincinnati, both teams
needing a win to try and stay.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
In the.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
In the playoff picture, and Cincinnati was favored in that game.
And we literally are on the plane wondering why, you know,
haven't taken off yet, and everyone but the players and
coaches and the staff like the equipment managers and the
like were asked to dboard the plane. So we literally
(29:32):
got off the plane and were standing on the tarmac.
And that's when I remember Mike Doosey from Fox four
saw he looked at his phone and said, uh oh.
And meanwhile, Jason Garrett, who was head coach at the time,
was telling everybody on the plane using the you know,
the announced thing over the plane to say that there
(29:53):
was the accident and Joshua was hospitalized and Jerry had
passed away. And the league doesn't stop. I can talk
later if you want about what happened with nine to eleven.
You know, they delayed games by one weekend. We ended
up having to make up that game in January. But
the league doesn't stop. And that's that's the thing about
this week is the players are having to come back
(30:16):
off of a bye week and prepare for the Raiders
while also mourning the loss of a teammate. And I
don't know yet about about services and how I'll be
real honest behind the scenes here at the Star. We're
all kind of in a holding pattern as to what
this schedule is going to be for this week. We
(30:37):
honestly don't know, and I think that they're obviously waiting
for clarity with the situations and how services for Marshawn.
If they do know that, they just found out and
are getting the word out. But yeah, that's that's the
tough part about this week. But what happened with the
(30:59):
game in Cincinnati. We all got back on the plane
and by then everyone knew what was going on. It
was obviously very somber and went to Cincinnati, and those
of us who've been around a long time and covered
all of Jason Garrett's career from the time he was
a third string quarterback to his time as head coach
(31:19):
would say that was his probably his finest moment with
the Cowboys was the Cowboys got the upset win one
twenty to nineteen. I think that was the final score
there in Cincinnati, and the Cowboys ultimately didn't make the
playoffs that year, but stayed with it. But they took
Joshus and Jerry's jerseys and hung them in the locker
(31:44):
there in Cincinnati, and then Jerry's locker here as a
practice squad member through the remainder of the season. So
that was so unusual. But again, as tragic as things are,
the league plays on and you're expected to deal with it,
and and that's what they're they're going to have to do.
(32:05):
But at least now the players and the coaches are together,
Whereas when this happened last week, you know, Wednesday night
into it early Thursday morning, most people had already dispersed.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
It's the only time.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
That guys get to like go home or you know
and leave and have you know, like five four or
five consecutive days off, and so a lot of them
were had already left.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I can't even imagine how those guys feel, yeah, because
like and I feel, like I told I used of
this when we were on the phone. Like you're already
dealing with you know, ups and downs of the season,
right and then your own personal, uh things that you're
dealing with in your own life, and then you get
this like a little bit of life with you know,
(32:49):
the Cowboys trade for Quinn Williams and we get some
new pieces and you know, so obviously there was a
lot of excitement in the locker room where you know,
even Dak was like, you know, Pomped can't curse on
the show, but you know, and then you get news
that your brother, you know, for some best friend passed away,
(33:11):
Like how do you even how do you even move
forward with that?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Because I mean I.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Get it, like together, yeah, like because I get it.
It's a you know, the league doesn't stop, but.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Like mentally, you know, I think that goes back into
Christy just said the league doesn't stop it, Like.
Speaker 10 (33:31):
I say, you've got to They've got to get back in.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
What people saying is that it keeps life keeps going.
And for I don't know how about you guys, but
like me being at work and being so busy, like
I was covering the story and it really didn't hit
me till I was by myself driving and then here
started coming down my eyes. But I had gone the
whole day at work like moving, moving, and I think
(33:56):
I'm glad these guys are back in.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
The building together.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
To Nicole's point, have a coach like Brian Schahammer that
everyone's more than confident that he's going to handle this
the right way. And I know there's some people, you know,
eager to hear more and ask the questions. But I'm
very happy that Shoty's going to take care of his
players first. I know that one hundred and ten percent
(34:19):
into just thinking about the league going. I remember sitting
there when DeMar Hamblin's heart stopped for two minutes on
the field. I'd never heard such a stadium go silent, and.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Again bawling my eyes out.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
This is a man that you know, I've worked with closely,
thinking that this is that I just watched him go
because we were kind of they put us in the tunnel,
so we weren't even the press box.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
There was no TVs. You know, everybody had gone commercial.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
I think it was Lisa was covering the game, kind
of giving some updates, doing excellent reporting that night. But
I think they went out for like a snap and
we were like, how are we going to cover this game?
And then they ended up postponing it, rescheduling and things
like that.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But yeah, this this is a it's sick. It's a business.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Like well, I was about I agree, it is like
the league doesn't stop, you know, when you're saying that,
it just stood out so much to me because I
just remember standing informations after we found a soldier and
you gotta keep going. And I whereas I agree with you, Christy,
I understand that for some people, staying busy, staying occupied
(35:27):
is you know, is a is a way to like
not think about it.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
But then you have the quiet time.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Yeah, we have the quiet time, and then you have
the reality of do you think these.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Guys don't know that the league doesn't stop? Do you
think that these guys.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Don't know that when they retire and when they get
injured or things or they fall off, this game is
gonna keep going without them and the reality of that
and sitting in that, and I just I just I
just feel like the league doesn't stop as the whole
it could be positive.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I feel like when you say it out loud.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
It sounds incredibly disassociated of the reality of this being
people's lives.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
Well, And I just would like to follow up because
I mentioned Josh Brent and longtime Cowboy fans. Hard to
believe that was thirteen years ago, but fans remember that
that incident happened. Josh ended up having to serve time,
he came back in his career. He actually he actually
(36:29):
played again. But here's the end of the story. Josh
Brent works for the Cowboys. His office is just right
just there, you know, about sixty yards away that way
on the second floor in scouting. So he yeah, and
a lot of people don't realize that that with the
(36:50):
support of the team, with teammates and a lot of
want to himself. I mean he was college teammates that
was like one of his best friends. And the first
thing that happened was that because they had the service
for Jerry Brown, and Josh was right there because and
his mother forgave him. I mean they were great friends
(37:12):
growing up from him from college, very close and you know,
with that forgiveness and the support of the organization and
friends and family, and Josh has really continued to make
something of his life and contributes to the team now
as a member of the scouting department.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
All we're going to take our second break.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
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Speaker 2 (40:07):
All right, welcome back into Girls Talk BOYSTOK presented by
Bize Line in the SWBC studio Nicole I, just In
browna Aldridge, Christy Scales, Aisha Morrison, and wrapping up the show.
But first I do want to ask y'all question, do
you'll have a favorite memory of nielan interaction?
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Yeah, the the uh. Actually it was more than this
his second year, so this past summer. It was in Oxnard,
and the guys will go and they'll sign autographs leaving
the field or coming on the field.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
And.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Most of the time the fans are yelling for you know,
the star players and stuff like that. And it was
funny because Neiland when he was signing autographs this year,
he's walking off and it's like, they know my name
this year, they know my name this year today, ninety four,
ninety four, you know, so so just just the smile
on his face and he just kind of kind of
laughing like, oh, yeah, they know my name this year.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
I would say his rookie season because it was my
rookie season two and I don't know who was more
nervous me or him during the interview. I think he
might have been my I want to say he was
my second sit down that I had, but I was like,
you know, my palms are kind of sweaty and I'm
still learning this team.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I think it was.
Speaker 9 (41:17):
Literally like my third week when they sent me dog Snard,
like living in Dallas, like I wasn't even I was
living in a hotel at the time. So I'm sitting
there with with Nielan and I remember after I was
talking to photographer.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I was like, I like him.
Speaker 9 (41:29):
I was like, because some guys they're very they're all
business and you gotta kind of peel to get something.
But like straight out of the gate, I just remember
every question that I had, the answer he had like
that little and you sat down with him to go
he has like that little laugh like after it don't
matter what I'm He'll be like yeah, And I was like,
what so that it's not but it's I laugh because
(41:52):
he's laughing, and it makes it makes the atmosphere of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
More, you know, Like he boosted my comp finance early.
Speaker 9 (42:00):
So we were two rookies, so I think figuring it
out that's how I look at it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
That's how I remember him.
Speaker 8 (42:05):
My favorite memory of him is sitting in this chair
on The Drift Show and we had a segment like
who's a player that you don't want a team in
the division to draft? And I was like, Hey, I
don't want to see Marshawn Newan twice a year because
just the wave that he I mean, y'all, it's just
(42:26):
like never quit to the ball. I was just like,
I don't want to see him on Philly Ick. And
I remember the first time getting to talk to him
outside the locker room and I told him about that
and he was like.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Me, me, you don't want to see me?
Speaker 10 (42:40):
And I was like yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
And then I also was like, you also.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Look like, you know, with your size, man, you could
move inside a little bit.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
He was like, I'm gonna keep it on the low.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And just that little bit of interaction is just, you know.
Speaker 10 (42:52):
Like always a little twinkle over.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Yeah, it felt like I was talking to a cousin.
It felt like I was talking to somebody I knew.
And I think that relatability was dope with him. So
just laughing with him a little bit was fun.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna say all my interactions.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
But if I had to choose one, it was training
camp when you know, obviously the players come off the field,
you can describe whoever.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
You want, and I can't go out to y'all.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
That was a long time ago, so I don't remember
the exact question I asked, but I remember the interaction.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
And I'd asked him a football question.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Probably was a dumb one.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
But don't matter, but he had it was something along
the lines that he remembered when I first like came
in and I first came in, but like when he
first interacted with me his rookie season, and I'd asked
him like something stupid, and he was like, you're starting
to know ball a.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Little bit, like man shout out to you, shout out
to you.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
And I was like, nah, nah, it's not me, but nah,
it was all my interactions.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I've been cool with Marshaun, just from like I mentioned earlier,
seeing him in passing, even making sure I speak to
him every day in locker room when they do have availability,
and all y'all have had interactions as well. So that's
gonna be definitely one hundred percent missed. And you know, unfortunately,
this was hands down the most difficult show we have
(44:11):
had to do, but we.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
We got it. We got through a lady got through it.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
And you know, like Christy mentioned earlier, we don't really
know the schedule just yet. I'm sure we'll hear something
from either PR or Coach Shotty either today maybe not.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And that's okay.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I hope that, you know, those guys and this coaching
staff take the time that they need in order to
heal and process this.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
So yeah, unfortunately we gotta go.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I gotta get ready for this d game. Unfortunately we
do a little extra time.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, a little extra time.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
It's like a blah blah bye, like a bye blah
bye bye, not just a vibe.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's what extra.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I guess we could look at it that way, all right,
that uh we are.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
We're to see all tomorrow. Unfortunately that's around the day show.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 9 (45:04):
Fortunately tomorrow, I'm happy to see.
Speaker 10 (45:07):
I ain't trying to see y'all.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
I'm happy to see y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's just tough having to do that and talk about it,
but no, I am happy to see all Tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
We're gonna be back here at eight am talking ball.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
For Breonna Aldridge, Christie Scales, I used Morrison.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I'm Nicole Hedgeson will be back here tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and
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