December 19, 2024 • 23 mins
This week on the Happy Half Hour, Darin and Kassidy look back at previous matchups between the Panthers and Cardinals, discuss what they want to see from the team down the stretch, share Christmas songs and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This week on a Happy half Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
When you've seen what they are able to do offensively
over the course of the.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Year, having Tuba involved is core to it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I mean, he's the personality that they want to be
like over there, and he's also the player they want
to be like. So I think there's going to be
probably an emphasis this week on making sure Tuba is involved.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
What's the cow?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Whoa? It's time for the Happy Half Hour, presented by
Southern Star, an official bourbon of the Carolina Panthers. Here
are your hosts, Darren Kant and Cassidy Hill.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Hello, friends, and welcome to a Ho Ho ho be
half Hour.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's a great joke, Darren.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I know I should tell that more often.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I got to put an over under on how many
times I hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Listen as many times as if I come up with
fresh material a reserve of the right to beat it
straight into the ground, and I'll do that, and especially
during this Ho Ho Happy half Hour, which is presented
as always by our friends at Southern Star, an official
bourbon partner of the Carolina Panthers, celebrate the spirit of
the Carolinas.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Maybe a little Southern Star in my eggs I was.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
About to say that sounds like it could be made
into a holiday drink.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, we could definitely noog with a little Southern star
definitely not.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Are are you a nog person?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I wouldn't say it like that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
We uh, we had.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We had a great awakening of nog last year on
our podcast, I turned Jordan and Jake onto eggnog. Neither
one of them had ever drank it, and I was
surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I was stulling.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Frankly because I mean, you know, Jake, I just feel
like Jake Delolm is a guy who would have drunk
eggnog at.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Some in Louisiana. Yeah, they don't drink agnog. They drink
the rom straight out of the bottle.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
This same and I have had.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
A delightful milk punch in New Orleans at the Bourbon
House right near the French Quarter. And I felt like
it was a thing Jake could get behind. And after
experimenting and being the ambassador of nog to the Jordan
and Jake podcast, they both came away convinced. I was
texting them something the other day and there were nog
pictures somewhere in our timeline.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So yeah, I'm a fan of agnog.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I've always had a virgin agnog, but you know that
the concept is still the same.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, I like to have actual spikedagnog, especially this time
of year. So it's the holidays. Whatever you need to
get you through the day, I am all for. And
right now we're getting through an NFL season. Oh, by
the way, there's a ballgame this week. I joked earlier
that it was very inconsiderate for the world's major religions
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and commercialism to have their holy holiday right here in
the middle of football season.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But here we are.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Who do we contact about that?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't know, Dear God. We you know, we would
like to speak to the manager of holidays.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And yeah, it used to.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Be once upon a time that, like you know, when
I covered college football, you always had Christmas off because
the regular season would end and then the bowl games
would start after Christmas. The playoff games start tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And I'm just kind of conditioned to it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's part of again, nobody cares about our lives and
our struggles, but I'm just conditioned to this is what
the holidays feel like. I told Bruce spae the director
of PR here on Thanksgiving, I said, Bruce, it occurs
to me, I've probably spent as many Thanksgivings with you
as many of my family members. I probably and I've
known each other longer than my kids have been alive.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They certainly. Yeah, it's it's that time of year.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But you know what, the Carolina Panthers are wrapping up
the home schedule here this weekend against the Arizona Cardinals,
and it's Panthers Cardinals week.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
So let's get weird.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You it's gonna be weird.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You have yet to experience your first Panther's Cardinals game, really,
because really, there is so much weirdness in the history
of this franchise when these two teams get together, I
mean not just playoff games, you know where the Panthers
stomped the Cardinals, or the Cardinals may happened to get
the better of the Panthers when Jay cad you know,
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not a great day.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
As John Fox said, he picked a bad day to
have a bad day, that's all. Yeah, it was a
good line, but a bad game.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
What are some of the what's the weirdest Panthers Cardinals
game you've ever covered?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
My favorite Panthers Cardinals game, ever, would have been two
thousand and seven, when Vinnie testa Verdi, of all people,
rolled in on a Tuesday, started on Sunday, and ended
up finishing that game against Cardinals legend Tim Rattey, who
had to come in for an.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Injured Kurt Warner.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, neither one of those guys was on the roster
at the beginning of the week, but they were there
by the end of the week. And Vinnie walks in
the door and starts throwing bombs down to field to
Steve Smith and DiAngelo Williams, and life was good.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Did you hear the Steve Smith up off of this
podcast this past week talking about Vinnie Testaverdi.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I did not, but I would enjoy that. I'm a
connoisseur of all things Vinnie.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
This is I mean, this is Steve Smith. He played
in the league for a long time, He played with
some great players, and he said, nobody ever helped me
as a receiver more than Vinnie Testaverdi. He said he
taught me something. Honestly, I don't even remember now what
it was. Oh, it was like, if you're gonna run
an in breaking route, run it in. If you're running
an out breaking route, he said.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
You know, Vinnie, like you said, came in on a Tuesday.
They had practice on Wednesday and Thursday Thursday afternoon or
something along those lines. I'm fuzzy on some of the details.
Vinnie comes in, looks for him in the wide receiver room,
he said, he finds and me walks in there and
he's like, you know, I'm Steve Smith at this, you know,
I don't need to listen, And he said, Vinnie comes
in and he says, Steve, if you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Run an in breaking route, run it in. If you're
gonna run an out breaking route, run it out. Run
the route you're supposed to run.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And he said, it changed my game, Like it's such
a simple thing, but just to actually like think about
it and not be doing your own thing.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And he's like, so, I'll credit to Vinnie for helping
me out.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, he walked in here like Yoda. He really did.
Except Yoda who could throw the football eighty yards in
the air. I mean, Vinnie had one of the strongest
arms in the NFL, you know, even when he was
in his forties. So being able to be around and
be a part of Vinnie Testa Verdie's world.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
For a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That was yet another one of those crazy chapters in
Carolina Panthers history. But now this week we get to
see another one, and who knows what we're going to see,
because again, when the Cardinals and Panthers get together, weird
stuff tends to happen. And now the Carolina Panthers get
to come in and try to bounce back. And we
were discussing earlier, people are reasonable to wonder whether they're
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watching this team they saw last week or the one
they saw the five previous weeks because that Cowboys game
was so different from the previous experience.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yes, to your point, which one is the nomly? I
tend to lean towards as the as of now one
performance is the anomaly, not the previous five. Yeah, but
you know, I guess Sunday and then the following two
sundays will tell. So what's the common denominator here? Some
(07:18):
things did not change as far as the run defense, uh,
you know, different things like that, But the rushing attack
did not have the same necessarily teeth. It did a
lot of this too, you have when you're when you're
discussing which one is the anomaly. You have to put
the qualifier on there that they're playing against Michael Parsons
and and Michaeh Parsons is one of if not you
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know that is it fair to say he's a top two,
top three pass rusher in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He can mess stuff up, Mike and Parsons comma good
at football, and right when you get out of phase
and when you are behind and he knows you're passing,
that makes it a lot harder on Ikiakwanu and everybody
else on that.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And so so that's a lot of it. And you know,
got down early. You can't help.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
But wonder how different would the game have been if
they had not fumbled on that opening possession. You know,
if they if they actually score right there, does the
does the entire game look a little differently? But you
know what it coulda should have that there were just
some different moments. I mean, one of the touchdowns that
Cooper rushed through, I don't even remember the receiver's name
because he's it's not somebody that's around a lotaps. Maybe
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it had such a low probability of like being completed
because it was just an insane spot to put the ball,
and so on a day like that, when you're the
Cowboys and they're breaking your way and the Panthers it's
not breaking your way.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
It's almost just one of them days. It's not gonna get.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Any easier, though, because you've got Kyler Murray and James
Connor coming in. James Connor gets better with age, and
somebody that you know. Josie Jewel was saying yesterday, he
is played before and he just he can get he
can make a cut and get out into the open
field and then he's gone. And he was also saying,
they have the most explosive plays of any offense in
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the NFL this year. But they're also you know, they
go up and down. They had like a losing streak
and then bounce back against the Patriots. It's to your point,
it has the potential to get very very weird, very quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, they're a hard team to figure in a lot
of ways, but the Carolina Panthers have had good success
against them over the years.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
This is a different team, different.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Personnel on both sides of the ball, really, so it's
kind of hard to tell. I always giggle about some
of those streaks and oh they are always great against
these guys because when all the people change, it's not
really the same team.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
They're just wearing the same shirts.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I also, speaking of giggle, when you say, oh, he's
gotten better with age.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Many people do that.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Not in football.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Unless you're who's somebody else that got better with age
in football?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Who's somebody you know who's gotten better with age? Who
is football adjacent at any rate?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
For football adjacent? Now we're moving the goalpost?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Never mind? Never mind. I was going for a joke
there where you were going, yeah, I know it, but yeah,
a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think one of the things this week they've got
to do, and this sounds really basic, but they've got
to get back to the personality the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I mean, Cuba.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Hubbard had what four touches after the first drive, and
that's not the normal pattern for a Dave Kanal is
Carolina Panthers offense.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's not who they want to be.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I think you know, when you've seen what they
are able to do offensively over the course of the year,
having Cuba involved is core to it. I mean, he's
the personality that they want to be like over there,
and he's also the player they want to be like.
So I think there's going to be probably an emphasis
this week on making sure Tuba is involved. I mean,
(10:51):
he's back there almost by himself in the backfield after
Jonathan Brook's injury. But it's looking like Rahem black Shear's
back this week. Mike Boone jumped in and helped out
last week. But it's kind of you're in that next
man up phase of the season, so whoever is available
is going to get out there and play.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And you know, it might be that that they have
to lean on Cuba given the wide receiver situation this
week and what.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
It might look like.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I mean, Cuba might get thirty touches and half of
them could be just throws out of the backfield just
to kind of keep the ball moving. That's something else
that you could probably kind of take advantage of with
the Cardinals this week. I mean, I need to look
at the injury report and see what the latest is,
but at one point, I know like they had lost
both Mac Wilson and Jesse Lakuda out of this past
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week's game. That's two of their linebackers. And when you've
got one of the best safeties in football too. I
wouldn't throw his way, but that that point, that safety
also comes up into the box and tackles. But point being,
this might be a game where you really kind of
get back to the run game. And Cuba, Cuba, Cuba, listen.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean when teams are in weird spots, when teams
are building, and I reference this last week in two
thousand and two, the Carolina Panthers were three and eight,
came down to stretch one four of their five, and
that kind of established the personality of the team they
wanted to be in two thousand and three. I am
not seeing that this is the two thousand and two
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team over again, because saying next year's team is going
to the super Bowl would frankly be irresponsible. But I
do think you can kind of create a little bit
of personality. And when teams are in that spot where
season's gone long, they're running out of people, the coach
instinct is to clutch and grab and muddy one up
and make it as tight of a game as you can.
(12:41):
And I think the Carolina Panthers are still built that
way to be able to play that kind of game,
which is we're going to run the ball, We're going
to shorten it, We're going to.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Lean on you.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This team still has Rob Hunt, Damian Lewis, Ikiakwanu, Taylor Mode,
and Kade Mays Chewba Hubbard. So that's the thing that
they are able to do. That's the thing they're built
to do, and I think in a week like this,
that's the thing you want to do.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Let me ask you a question too. You've referenced a
couple of times.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Get back to the personality of the Carolina Panthers, and
obviously we see the names, but across the board, not
just the rushing attack, across the board. What would you
say those personality of the Carolina Panthers is this season?
Because that's something Dave Canalis has talked a lot about too,
about finding our identity, finding who we are and then
establishing it. There's three games left, Yeah, I would think
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they would hope or at least have an idea of
who they are.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
What do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think that's a lot of it. I think you
can you can dictate the pace of game by the
players you choose to call. And I think Dave's talked
to different points this year about running stubbornly and those
kind of things, and I think, more than anything else,
that creates that physical nature. I mean, they want to
be a physical team on both sides of the ball.
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I mean, personnel was you know, after some of the
injuries earlier this year and the ones that have cropped
up over the course of the year, it's been harder
to it's been harder to create that kind of stuff
on that side of the ball, but certainly on offense.
I mean the unfortunate injury to Austin Corbett early in
the season. Other than that, the offensive line knock On
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Wood has largely been intact this year, so they are
able to dictate some of that stuff up front when
they are in the phase they want to be in,
and I just think that's who he wants to be.
They'll go into this offseason, they'll restock on defense. I
would imagine there's going to be a heavy emphasis on
the defensive front seven because that's probably the biggest need
on that team right now. So we'll see how that goes.
(14:40):
But I just think, more than anything else, that physical
nature is the key to what Dave wants to create.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, I agree. I just wanted your opinions.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, but you could completely agree, and that kind of
goes part and parcel with everything Dan Morgan has said
he wants this team to be as well, So I
think if nothing else, you see a clear vision for
who they want to be, where they want to go,
and how they're going to get there. You compared it
to the twenty two team, I would compare it maybe
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a little bit more to the Lions, and that's that's
more so just recency bias.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Similar vibe when a team that's been bad starts getting
good and starts kind of getting their legs underneath them.
I mean that Lions team. And again, not to throw
everything in the way back machine, but last week's game
against the Cowboys reminded me so much of the last
time the Panthers were favored, which was in twenty two
against the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Steelers came in here.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Mike Tomlin kind of Mike tomlind them, mitchter Biskey let
him up and downfield, Naje Harris ran for a bunch
of yards. He'll do that, kept them, kept them at
arm's length all day, and kind of leaned into the
Carolina Panthers The very next week. It was about zero
degrees here at Bank of America Stadium. It was actually
only twenty at kickoff, but that was still the coldest
game ever in Bank of America Stadium history. And the
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Panthers ran for three to twenty on that Lions team. Wow,
So that was kind of that's kind of in my mind.
I want to see if this week is that kind
of bounce back. Now, if they run for three twenty
one this week, how cool would that be to.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
See because it's twenty in this nineteen degrees?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah exactly, I know, no, thank you, not interested in
nineteen degrees, but I would take seeing a big Russian
performance just because that's kind of where they want to
get back to as a team.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, like we said, it could be. It could really
go either way against this Cardinals defense too. It just
depends on who they get back and what that front
seven looks like by the time they roll in here
on Sunday. So definitely keep an eye on that injury
report as we go through the week too.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, so much to keep an eye on. Oh, by
the way, it's Christmas.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Are you are you ready for this?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You seem like a preparer for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm a little elf when it comes to this time
of year.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I plan out my.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Different things, I have my different traditions. I love making
the house like a little like a little north Pole cabin.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You've got multiple trees, you have trees to girl.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I have trees?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Really?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Why I have one when you can have.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Two real trees?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
One big one little.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
One big one little.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I've got well big for the you know, relative to
the apartment. It's a smaller tree, but I think it
was probably like maybe a little over five feet tall.
And that one's in the living room. And then I
have a little one in the kitchen because the kitchen
needs a tree too. The kitchen needs to be happy too.
And that one's decorated with a dehydrated oranges and cranberries. Okay,
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that one's in the kitchen. And then that also is
the garland on the entertainment center in the living room.
And then we go, uh, you know, ornaments that I've
collected from travels and stuff like that on the tree
on the big tree.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Got it? And so what's your favorite Christmas ornament on
the tree?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Ooh, that's a tough one, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Oh, actually, okay, no, I know what it is. I've
got two of these so at various games that I've
covered covered the albuma LSU National Championship from the twenty
eleven season. The ALBUMA Washington Playoff game from I believe
the two twenty fifteen season. It was the inaugural year
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of the playoff twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen. And then
Florida versus Michigan and the Peach Bowl in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Florida won that game.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
That was when they kind of turned things around their
quarterback by Felipe Franks that team. Whenever the game is over,
I go out and I collect the confetti because you
know for championship games they always throw confetti on the
field for the winner. So I collect the confetti and
then I put them in like the clear Christmas balls,
and I write the game and the score and the
date and whatnot on the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That's almost Martha Stewart. That's like Martha Stewart was in
the football realm. That's the kind of thing she would create.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Right, I thought you.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I thought you were gonna say credentials because on my
tree and has been every year since twenty fifteen, is
a credential from a game here against the Packers in
twenty fifteen. And it's not that great of a story
because when I was between wives, you know, divorce guy,
Christmas tree, what are you gonna put on it? There
was a credential from a Packers game. So that one's
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kind of now ridden around and become a that's always
I mean what it's a memory. It's a memory because
so many of my friends. I mean, I think Wildy
was here for that one, Dumovsky, Young West, We're all here.
You know, when your friends.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Are around, that's what the holidays have hout.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So when you remember those things, that always makes you
feel good and warm.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Speaking of good and warm, We've covered degnog, We've covered
Christmas decorations. I've completely lost track of the Happy half
hour jukebox.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I listened to the last Waltz.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So let's just let's just do this Christmas songs. Give
me three Christmas songs, top three Christmas songs for Cassidy Hill,
and we can put everybody in a holiday mood for
the next.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
So glad you asked this question, You've probably put a lot.
I have put a lot of thought into this. I
actually recently made a list top five Christmas songs of
the past thirty years, so like modern day Christmas songs,
and these are not remix of the classics, even though
I love the classics. I think Silver Bells is one
of the most like beautiful Christmas songs of all time.
But top three of the past thirty years. All I
(20:30):
Want for Christmas Is You by Mariah is objectively number one.
Like that one is almost just in a little category.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
All okay, it's only we could hear that one a
time or two on the radio, right.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
But then after that, I would go Merry Christmas, Happy
Holidays by n Sync. It is a bop and it
just gets you in the Christmas mood. Merry Christmas, you
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
After that, I would go.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Underneath the Tree by Kelly Clarkson. That is a newer one.
I think it came out about ten years or so ago.
But that is when it's all said and done. Our
boss Greg said this to me the other night, when
it's all said and done, that one could end up
usurping Mariah as the best modern day Christmas song. And
then after that, I go back and forth, depending on
(21:18):
the mood I'm in between Believe by Josh Grobin from
The Polar Express and Santa Tell Me.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
By Ariana Grande. There you go, what are yours?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, I'm all over the place on Christmas music, and
I'm kind of you know, there are traditional Christmas songs.
I mean, Trombone Shorty does a version of a Holy
Night that's just kind of you know, that's one of
those songs when you hear it and you hear them
playing it, it's yeah, whoa, whoa, that's that'll get you.
But I like to I like to go non traditional.
(21:51):
I do like a little James Brown, Santa Claus goes
straight to the ghettos. That's one of my favorites. Probably
Robert Earl Kenes Merry Christmas from the Family. Okay, I
think that's when everybody needs.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
To enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, you will definitely have to listen to that one.
That gets me in the holiday mood no matter what.
But it's and I'll just let that one be a
holiday surprise for you because it's Even when he plays
the show in July, he'll close the show with that
or coming down the stretch, closing into one of the
many many encores he'll play Merry Christmas from the family,
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and it turns into a huge sing along, and.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's what it's all about. It's the singing along. It's
like the Who Village.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
They you know, let the Grinch in. They circle up,
they grab hands, they sing.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
That's what we should all be doing.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And so I want the record to show though that
I did listen to the last waltz, all right, and.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You should, and we'll catch up on that. We'll discuss
all that later, and.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
We'll discuss a Panther's Cardinals game, which I'm sure will
go down in the weird, strange legacy of Panthers Cardinals games.
And we'll get to it all next week in a
post Christmas three New Year's Happy half Hour O hope.
This week on a Happy half Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
When you've seen what they are able to do offensively
over the course of the.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Year, having Tuba involved is core to it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I mean, he's the personality that they want to be
like over there, and he's also the player they want
to be like. So I think there's going to be
probably an emphasis this week on making sure Tuba is involved.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
What's the cow?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Whoa? It's time for the Happy Half Hour, presented by
Southern Star, an official bourbon of the Carolina Panthers. Here
are your hosts, Darren Kant and Cassidy Hill.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Hello, friends, and welcome to a Ho Ho ho be
half Hour.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's a great joke, Darren.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I know I should tell that more often.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I got to put an over under on how many
times I hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Listen as many times as if I come up with
fresh material a reserve of the right to beat it
straight into the ground, and I'll do that, and especially
during this Ho Ho Happy half Hour, which is presented
as always by our friends at Southern Star, an official
bourbon partner of the Carolina Panthers, celebrate the spirit of
the Carolinas.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Maybe a little Southern Star in my eggs I was.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
About to say that sounds like it could be made
into a holiday drink.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, we could definitely noog with a little Southern star
definitely not.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Are are you a nog person?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I wouldn't say it like that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
We uh, we had.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We had a great awakening of nog last year on
our podcast, I turned Jordan and Jake onto eggnog. Neither
one of them had ever drank it, and I was
surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I was stulling.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Frankly because I mean, you know, Jake, I just feel
like Jake Delolm is a guy who would have drunk
eggnog at.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Some in Louisiana. Yeah, they don't drink agnog. They drink
the rom straight out of the bottle.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
This same and I have had.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
A delightful milk punch in New Orleans at the Bourbon
House right near the French Quarter. And I felt like
it was a thing Jake could get behind. And after
experimenting and being the ambassador of nog to the Jordan
and Jake podcast, they both came away convinced. I was
texting them something the other day and there were nog
pictures somewhere in our timeline.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So yeah, I'm a fan of agnog.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I've always had a virgin agnog, but you know that
the concept is still the same.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, I like to have actual spikedagnog, especially this time
of year. So it's the holidays. Whatever you need to
get you through the day, I am all for. And
right now we're getting through an NFL season. Oh, by
the way, there's a ballgame this week. I joked earlier
that it was very inconsiderate for the world's major religions
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and commercialism to have their holy holiday right here in
the middle of football season.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But here we are.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Who do we contact about that?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't know, Dear God. We you know, we would
like to speak to the manager of holidays.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And yeah, it used to.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Be once upon a time that, like you know, when
I covered college football, you always had Christmas off because
the regular season would end and then the bowl games
would start after Christmas. The playoff games start tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And I'm just kind of conditioned to it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's part of again, nobody cares about our lives and
our struggles, but I'm just conditioned to this is what
the holidays feel like. I told Bruce spae the director
of PR here on Thanksgiving, I said, Bruce, it occurs
to me, I've probably spent as many Thanksgivings with you
as many of my family members. I probably and I've
known each other longer than my kids have been alive.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They certainly. Yeah, it's it's that time of year.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But you know what, the Carolina Panthers are wrapping up
the home schedule here this weekend against the Arizona Cardinals,
and it's Panthers Cardinals week.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
So let's get weird.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You it's gonna be weird.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You have yet to experience your first Panther's Cardinals game, really,
because really, there is so much weirdness in the history
of this franchise when these two teams get together, I
mean not just playoff games, you know where the Panthers
stomped the Cardinals, or the Cardinals may happened to get
the better of the Panthers when Jay cad you know,
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not a great day.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
As John Fox said, he picked a bad day to
have a bad day, that's all. Yeah, it was a
good line, but a bad game.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
What are some of the what's the weirdest Panthers Cardinals
game you've ever covered?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
My favorite Panthers Cardinals game, ever, would have been two
thousand and seven, when Vinnie testa Verdi, of all people,
rolled in on a Tuesday, started on Sunday, and ended
up finishing that game against Cardinals legend Tim Rattey, who
had to come in for an.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Injured Kurt Warner.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, neither one of those guys was on the roster
at the beginning of the week, but they were there
by the end of the week. And Vinnie walks in
the door and starts throwing bombs down to field to
Steve Smith and DiAngelo Williams, and life was good.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Did you hear the Steve Smith up off of this
podcast this past week talking about Vinnie Testaverdi.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I did not, but I would enjoy that. I'm a
connoisseur of all things Vinnie.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
This is I mean, this is Steve Smith. He played
in the league for a long time, He played with
some great players, and he said, nobody ever helped me
as a receiver more than Vinnie Testaverdi. He said he
taught me something. Honestly, I don't even remember now what
it was. Oh, it was like, if you're gonna run
an in breaking route, run it in. If you're running
an out breaking route, he said.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
He said that.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
You know, Vinnie, like you said, came in on a Tuesday.
They had practice on Wednesday and Thursday Thursday afternoon or
something along those lines. I'm fuzzy on some of the details.
Vinnie comes in, looks for him in the wide receiver room,
he said, he finds and me walks in there and
he's like, you know, I'm Steve Smith at this, you know,
I don't need to listen, And he said, Vinnie comes
in and he says, Steve, if you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Run an in breaking route, run it in. If you're
gonna run an out breaking route, run it out. Run
the route you're supposed to run.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And he said, it changed my game, Like it's such
a simple thing, but just to actually like think about
it and not be doing your own thing.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And he's like, so, I'll credit to Vinnie for helping
me out.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, he walked in here like Yoda. He really did.
Except Yoda who could throw the football eighty yards in
the air. I mean, Vinnie had one of the strongest
arms in the NFL, you know, even when he was
in his forties. So being able to be around and
be a part of Vinnie Testa Verdie's world.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
For a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That was yet another one of those crazy chapters in
Carolina Panthers history. But now this week we get to
see another one, and who knows what we're going to see,
because again, when the Cardinals and Panthers get together, weird
stuff tends to happen. And now the Carolina Panthers get
to come in and try to bounce back. And we
were discussing earlier, people are reasonable to wonder whether they're
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watching this team they saw last week or the one
they saw the five previous weeks because that Cowboys game
was so different from the previous experience.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yes, to your point, which one is the nomly? I
tend to lean towards as the as of now one
performance is the anomaly, not the previous five. Yeah, but
you know, I guess Sunday and then the following two
sundays will tell. So what's the common denominator here? Some
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things did not change as far as the run defense, uh,
you know, different things like that, But the rushing attack
did not have the same necessarily teeth. It did a
lot of this too, you have when you're when you're
discussing which one is the anomaly. You have to put
the qualifier on there that they're playing against Michael Parsons
and and Michaeh Parsons is one of if not you
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know that is it fair to say he's a top two,
top three pass rusher in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He can mess stuff up, Mike and Parsons comma good
at football, and right when you get out of phase
and when you are behind and he knows you're passing,
that makes it a lot harder on Ikiakwanu and everybody
else on that.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And so so that's a lot of it. And you know,
got down early. You can't help.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
But wonder how different would the game have been if
they had not fumbled on that opening possession. You know,
if they if they actually score right there, does the
does the entire game look a little differently? But you
know what it coulda should have that there were just
some different moments. I mean, one of the touchdowns that
Cooper rushed through, I don't even remember the receiver's name
because he's it's not somebody that's around a lotaps. Maybe
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it had such a low probability of like being completed
because it was just an insane spot to put the ball,
and so on a day like that, when you're the
Cowboys and they're breaking your way and the Panthers it's
not breaking your way.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
It's almost just one of them days. It's not gonna get.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Any easier, though, because you've got Kyler Murray and James
Connor coming in. James Connor gets better with age, and
somebody that you know. Josie Jewel was saying yesterday, he
is played before and he just he can get he
can make a cut and get out into the open
field and then he's gone. And he was also saying,
they have the most explosive plays of any offense in
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the NFL this year. But they're also you know, they
go up and down. They had like a losing streak
and then bounce back against the Patriots. It's to your point,
it has the potential to get very very weird, very quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, they're a hard team to figure in a lot
of ways, but the Carolina Panthers have had good success
against them over the years.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
This is a different team, different.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Personnel on both sides of the ball, really, so it's
kind of hard to tell. I always giggle about some
of those streaks and oh they are always great against
these guys because when all the people change, it's not
really the same team.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
They're just wearing the same shirts.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I also, speaking of giggle, when you say, oh, he's
gotten better with age.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Many people do that.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Not in football.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Unless you're who's somebody else that got better with age
in football?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Who's somebody you know who's gotten better with age? Who
is football adjacent at any rate?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
For football adjacent? Now we're moving the goalpost?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Never mind? Never mind. I was going for a joke
there where you were going, yeah, I know it, but yeah,
a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think one of the things this week they've got
to do, and this sounds really basic, but they've got
to get back to the personality the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I mean, Cuba.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Hubbard had what four touches after the first drive, and
that's not the normal pattern for a Dave Kanal is
Carolina Panthers offense.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's not who they want to be.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I think you know, when you've seen what they
are able to do offensively over the course of the year,
having Cuba involved is core to it. I mean, he's
the personality that they want to be like over there,
and he's also the player they want to be like.
So I think there's going to be probably an emphasis
this week on making sure Tuba is involved. I mean,
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he's back there almost by himself in the backfield after
Jonathan Brook's injury. But it's looking like Rahem black Shear's
back this week. Mike Boone jumped in and helped out
last week. But it's kind of you're in that next
man up phase of the season, so whoever is available
is going to get out there and play.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And you know, it might be that that they have
to lean on Cuba given the wide receiver situation this
week and what.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
It might look like.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I mean, Cuba might get thirty touches and half of
them could be just throws out of the backfield just
to kind of keep the ball moving. That's something else
that you could probably kind of take advantage of with
the Cardinals this week. I mean, I need to look
at the injury report and see what the latest is,
but at one point, I know like they had lost
both Mac Wilson and Jesse Lakuda out of this past
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week's game. That's two of their linebackers. And when you've
got one of the best safeties in football too. I
wouldn't throw his way, but that that point, that safety
also comes up into the box and tackles. But point being,
this might be a game where you really kind of
get back to the run game. And Cuba, Cuba, Cuba, listen.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean when teams are in weird spots, when teams
are building, and I reference this last week in two
thousand and two, the Carolina Panthers were three and eight,
came down to stretch one four of their five, and
that kind of established the personality of the team they
wanted to be in two thousand and three. I am
not seeing that this is the two thousand and two
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team over again, because saying next year's team is going
to the super Bowl would frankly be irresponsible. But I
do think you can kind of create a little bit
of personality. And when teams are in that spot where
season's gone long, they're running out of people, the coach
instinct is to clutch and grab and muddy one up
and make it as tight of a game as you can.
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And I think the Carolina Panthers are still built that
way to be able to play that kind of game,
which is we're going to run the ball, We're going
to shorten it, We're going to.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Lean on you.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This team still has Rob Hunt, Damian Lewis, Ikiakwanu, Taylor Mode,
and Kade Mays Chewba Hubbard. So that's the thing that
they are able to do. That's the thing they're built
to do, and I think in a week like this,
that's the thing you want to do.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Let me ask you a question too. You've referenced a
couple of times.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Get back to the personality of the Carolina Panthers, and
obviously we see the names, but across the board, not
just the rushing attack, across the board. What would you
say those personality of the Carolina Panthers is this season?
Because that's something Dave Canalis has talked a lot about too,
about finding our identity, finding who we are and then
establishing it. There's three games left, Yeah, I would think
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they would hope or at least have an idea of
who they are.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
What do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think that's a lot of it. I think you
can you can dictate the pace of game by the
players you choose to call. And I think Dave's talked
to different points this year about running stubbornly and those
kind of things, and I think, more than anything else,
that creates that physical nature. I mean, they want to
be a physical team on both sides of the ball.
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I mean, personnel was you know, after some of the
injuries earlier this year and the ones that have cropped
up over the course of the year, it's been harder
to it's been harder to create that kind of stuff
on that side of the ball, but certainly on offense.
I mean the unfortunate injury to Austin Corbett early in
the season. Other than that, the offensive line knock On
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Wood has largely been intact this year, so they are
able to dictate some of that stuff up front when
they are in the phase they want to be in,
and I just think that's who he wants to be.
They'll go into this offseason, they'll restock on defense. I
would imagine there's going to be a heavy emphasis on
the defensive front seven because that's probably the biggest need
on that team right now. So we'll see how that goes.
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But I just think, more than anything else, that physical
nature is the key to what Dave wants to create.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, I agree. I just wanted your opinions.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, but you could completely agree, and that kind of
goes part and parcel with everything Dan Morgan has said
he wants this team to be as well, So I
think if nothing else, you see a clear vision for
who they want to be, where they want to go,
and how they're going to get there. You compared it
to the twenty two team, I would compare it maybe
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a little bit more to the Lions, and that's that's
more so just recency bias.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Similar vibe when a team that's been bad starts getting
good and starts kind of getting their legs underneath them.
I mean that Lions team. And again, not to throw
everything in the way back machine, but last week's game
against the Cowboys reminded me so much of the last
time the Panthers were favored, which was in twenty two
against the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Steelers came in here.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Mike Tomlin kind of Mike tomlind them, mitchter Biskey let
him up and downfield, Naje Harris ran for a bunch
of yards. He'll do that, kept them, kept them at
arm's length all day, and kind of leaned into the
Carolina Panthers The very next week. It was about zero
degrees here at Bank of America Stadium. It was actually
only twenty at kickoff, but that was still the coldest
game ever in Bank of America Stadium history. And the
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Panthers ran for three to twenty on that Lions team. Wow,
So that was kind of that's kind of in my mind.
I want to see if this week is that kind
of bounce back. Now, if they run for three twenty
one this week, how cool would that be to.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
See because it's twenty in this nineteen degrees?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah exactly, I know, no, thank you, not interested in
nineteen degrees, but I would take seeing a big Russian
performance just because that's kind of where they want to
get back to as a team.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, like we said, it could be. It could really
go either way against this Cardinals defense too. It just
depends on who they get back and what that front
seven looks like by the time they roll in here
on Sunday. So definitely keep an eye on that injury
report as we go through the week too.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, so much to keep an eye on. Oh, by
the way, it's Christmas.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Are you are you ready for this?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You seem like a preparer for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm a little elf when it comes to this time
of year.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I plan out my.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Different things, I have my different traditions. I love making
the house like a little like a little north Pole cabin.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You've got multiple trees, you have trees to girl.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I have trees?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Really?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Why I have one when you can have.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Two real trees?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
One big one little.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
One big one little.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I've got well big for the you know, relative to
the apartment. It's a smaller tree, but I think it
was probably like maybe a little over five feet tall.
And that one's in the living room. And then I
have a little one in the kitchen because the kitchen
needs a tree too. The kitchen needs to be happy too.
And that one's decorated with a dehydrated oranges and cranberries. Okay,
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that one's in the kitchen. And then that also is
the garland on the entertainment center in the living room.
And then we go, uh, you know, ornaments that I've
collected from travels and stuff like that on the tree
on the big tree.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Got it? And so what's your favorite Christmas ornament on
the tree?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Ooh, that's a tough one, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Oh, actually, okay, no, I know what it is. I've
got two of these so at various games that I've
covered covered the albuma LSU National Championship from the twenty
eleven season. The ALBUMA Washington Playoff game from I believe
the two twenty fifteen season. It was the inaugural year
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of the playoff twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen. And then
Florida versus Michigan and the Peach Bowl in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Florida won that game.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
That was when they kind of turned things around their
quarterback by Felipe Franks that team. Whenever the game is over,
I go out and I collect the confetti because you
know for championship games they always throw confetti on the
field for the winner. So I collect the confetti and
then I put them in like the clear Christmas balls,
and I write the game and the score and the
date and whatnot on the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That's almost Martha Stewart. That's like Martha Stewart was in
the football realm. That's the kind of thing she would create.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Right, I thought you.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I thought you were gonna say credentials because on my
tree and has been every year since twenty fifteen, is
a credential from a game here against the Packers in
twenty fifteen. And it's not that great of a story
because when I was between wives, you know, divorce guy,
Christmas tree, what are you gonna put on it? There
was a credential from a Packers game. So that one's
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kind of now ridden around and become a that's always
I mean what it's a memory. It's a memory because
so many of my friends. I mean, I think Wildy
was here for that one, Dumovsky, Young West, We're all here.
You know, when your friends.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Are around, that's what the holidays have hout.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So when you remember those things, that always makes you
feel good and warm.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Speaking of good and warm, We've covered degnog, We've covered
Christmas decorations. I've completely lost track of the Happy half
hour jukebox.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I listened to the last Waltz.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So let's just let's just do this Christmas songs. Give
me three Christmas songs, top three Christmas songs for Cassidy Hill,
and we can put everybody in a holiday mood for
the next.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
So glad you asked this question, You've probably put a lot.
I have put a lot of thought into this. I
actually recently made a list top five Christmas songs of
the past thirty years, so like modern day Christmas songs,
and these are not remix of the classics, even though
I love the classics. I think Silver Bells is one
of the most like beautiful Christmas songs of all time.
But top three of the past thirty years. All I
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Want for Christmas Is You by Mariah is objectively number one.
Like that one is almost just in a little category.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
All okay, it's only we could hear that one a
time or two on the radio, right.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
But then after that, I would go Merry Christmas, Happy
Holidays by n Sync. It is a bop and it
just gets you in the Christmas mood. Merry Christmas, you
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
After that, I would go.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Underneath the Tree by Kelly Clarkson. That is a newer one.
I think it came out about ten years or so ago.
But that is when it's all said and done. Our
boss Greg said this to me the other night, when
it's all said and done, that one could end up
usurping Mariah as the best modern day Christmas song. And
then after that, I go back and forth, depending on
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the mood I'm in between Believe by Josh Grobin from
The Polar Express and Santa Tell Me.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
By Ariana Grande. There you go, what are yours?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, I'm all over the place on Christmas music, and
I'm kind of you know, there are traditional Christmas songs.
I mean, Trombone Shorty does a version of a Holy
Night that's just kind of you know, that's one of
those songs when you hear it and you hear them
playing it, it's yeah, whoa, whoa, that's that'll get you.
But I like to I like to go non traditional.
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I do like a little James Brown, Santa Claus goes
straight to the ghettos. That's one of my favorites. Probably
Robert Earl Kenes Merry Christmas from the Family. Okay, I
think that's when everybody needs.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
To enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, you will definitely have to listen to that one.
That gets me in the holiday mood no matter what.
But it's and I'll just let that one be a
holiday surprise for you because it's Even when he plays
the show in July, he'll close the show with that
or coming down the stretch, closing into one of the
many many encores he'll play Merry Christmas from the family,
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and it turns into a huge sing along, and.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's what it's all about. It's the singing along. It's
like the Who Village.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
They you know, let the Grinch in. They circle up,
they grab hands, they sing.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
That's what we should all be doing.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And so I want the record to show though that
I did listen to the last waltz, all right, and.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
You should, and we'll catch up on that. We'll discuss
all that later, and.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
We'll discuss a Panther's Cardinals game, which I'm sure will
go down in the weird, strange legacy of Panthers Cardinals games.
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