Hawks Live With Devon Witherspoon, Jake Curhan And More

Michael Bumpus and Ray Roberts prep for Week 6 in Cincinnati. Today’s show: Opponent Preview with Bengals.com’s Geoff Hobson (11:15), Jake Curhan interview (21:26), Around the NFL (30:50), Devon Witherspoon interview (43:17), Inside the Film Room (53:18), Talk That Talk (1:02:25), Final Thoughts and Keys to Victory (1:14:24)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
If you're your host, Michael Bumpis, that's Paul Moyer.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Hawks Live. We got a live group right here.
What's up, how y'all doing? I am Michael Bumpus. Paul
Moyer is not here, but he's thinking about it. He
just had his second or third grand child. He's down
in Texas doing what he has to do. Instead, I
got my guy, Ray Roberts. Give it up one top
and right.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Robert, I'm better looking at Paul anyway.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, I believe you.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, I believe you.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'll let the people who make that judgment make that judgment,
but I'm alright with you real quick, right, all right? Hey,
So last week it's been a while since we since
we got down right. So the last time we saw
the Seahawks, they were playing against the New York Giants,
and we saw a great performance big Ray. We saw
that defense after Daniel Jones and the rest of the game,

(01:03):
and the critique is going to be, like, look, these
guys weren't playing against anybody who are the New York
Football Giants. They are a football team in the NFL.
So yes, you take it with a grain assault, but
you're also going to be like, look, you did something
that only a couple of teams have done since nineteen
eighty something.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
I think the thing that the Seahawks need to take
away from it, especially the young guys on defense, it's like,
you hear all the messaging that Pete gives in the
locker room, always compete to earn everything, win it in
the fourth quarter, all that kind of stuff, and they
got to experience some of that in this game. They
also got to experience what it looks like when this
defense is working the way they designed it to work.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
That is valuable.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
It doesn't matter if you're playing against you know, the
New York Giants or the kitchen Sink, like you get
to see what it looks like when it works, and
so then that gives you a little bit more confidence
going into the next game.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The question coming into the offense are assuming the season,
was how good is this defense going to be?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I think you have Geno, you got.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Ken Walker, got DK, you got Locked and they were
able to keep the party going as far as winning
games and getting these clutch situations.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
The question was a defense.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I look at this defense right now, and we haven't
seen them at full forest for a while. We saw
Jamal Adams for nine plays. I love the nine plays.
If you don't like Jamal Adams for nine plays, you
don't like what he does, then we will have a
conversation afterwards. He's holler at me and we'll make this
thing right, okay, But for nine plays, Jamal Adams looked
like the guy that we paid for a couple of

(02:34):
years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, he brings such a different dynamic to the team,
and he brings a different energy to the team, like
even like Quandre Diggs, just his excitement of having him
having this guy back on the field. And then you
saw like early in the game they sent him after
the quarterback. You know, he missed the sack, so that
could have been twelve sacks, but and then he had.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
A big hit out in the flat.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Unfortunately the next time, you know, he got the concussion
and things. But he brings a different dynamic, of different
playmaking ynamic to the defense that they have. Some other
players they can put in there and can make plays.
But his plays are so impactful, so it'd be it's
good to see.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Him back on the field. The concussion thing was okay.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
He didn't get suspended for having some words with the
with the with the official there on the sideline, and
so we'll expect to see him on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's what kind of bothered me a little bit about
the concussion things, because I don't know if you guys
have ever had a concussion. I've had a few myself diagnosed,
probably some that weren't diagnosed, right, I think you've had
some as well.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
When you have a concussion, you're not there, right.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
It would have been so unfair to punish this dude
for you have a concussion, so that means that you're
not thinking straight. You're probably not you know, you know, uh,
internalizing things and and uh and processing thing is the
right way. So I like that he was like, I mean,
maybe he really did want to go back in the game.
Maybe he felt like he was fine right there, but
you know, with the protocol, you can't can't go back

(03:53):
in the game, all right.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So there's a young man who had himself a day
against the New York Football We're gonna say his last
name on the count of three. Let's make sure on
the same page. Last name one, two three weatherspoon Man.
You look at this young man, what four games into
the league. You see the progression that he's working with. Right,

(04:18):
the first time we saw him, he had two passes
defended on fourth down, Boom.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
He's good to go.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
The very first series we saw him against the New
York Football Giants, he sets the edge right shoulder.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
My guy, he's probably smaller than me. My guy sets
the edge.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
He's making plays ninety seven yard touchdown, one yard away
from the franchise record.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Which was set by Bobby Wagner, which just baffled me.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
How the heck does no one tackle bout Bobby for
ninety eight years.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Bobby was rolling out, but it seemed like it took
him a long time to get there.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
He must have been like twenty four to twenty five
years old when it went down. No disrespect to Bobby,
one of the greatest seahows of all time. But what
have you seen out of this young man, Devin with
a spoon.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, it's the things that you can't teach, right, There's
one thing. There's there's guys that in the league.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
They want to make sure that on Monday morning they
had a plus or yes beside their assignment. I was
in the right place, I was in the right depths,
I was looking at the right thing, I was reading
all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Great, that's good.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
But he has this element that you can't teach, of
instincts where he can kind of he understands what the
defense is trying to do, how they're trying to attack him,
and then how he can interrupt what they're trying trying
to get done. You can't some of that stuff you
can't coach. You just try to keep informing it. And
so he's with a great coach with you know, Pete
carroll Is. You know, we've had great defensive backs there.
You have Richard Sherman around all the time, all those

(05:35):
guys around. So if he can absorb all of that
knowledge and keep matching it with his instinct, he's gonna
I mean, he's already His coming out party was spectacular.
To have such a big night on the biggest stage
in the biggest city, you can't you can't beat that.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
So the way you describe Devin Witherspoon I feel like
me at Disneyland with my family.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
It's all instincts.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm looking around seeing who's doing what, where's my kid?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Right, It's all instincts.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And you can feel when something right right exactly, senses.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Take up and I'm like, look, something's going on over there.
Let's go this way now. Devin Witherspoon has been probably
the highlight of the secondary. We talked about Jamal Adams,
and we haven't seen the full Rek Wooling that we're
used to seeing either.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I can't wait to see what he does this weekend.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I hate comparing this group
to like the Legion of Boom because each group has
their own dynamic and their own skill set and all
that kind of stuff. But they are shaping up a
secondary that has the potential to have impact like that,
you know, maybe not one of the greatest, and you
know ever, because that's just kind of hard to say,

(06:42):
like like you still got to go out there and
do it. But they have all the talent, right Like
even Rek Woolan, who I think he had only played
he was a receiver in college, played his last year
at defensive back. Fourteen games, fourteen games, defensive back came,
you know, came here and right away. I remember Pete
Carroll talking about him in one of our production meetings,
and he got up and showed like how cool he

(07:03):
was getting into his stands and how calm he was
and all that kind of stuff. So there's things that
his speed you cannot teach, you know, like the one
play last year where he was he was beating over
the top, he was running behind the receiver point to
the safety to get over however, and then just decided
to just turn it on against thee. Yeah, picked up
feed in the broke up the pass. You cannot teach that.

(07:25):
So you have two very unique corners. And then with
Usmoon places inside and outside. So you have these two
really unique corners with different types of skill sets, different
things that they bring to the team, but impactful in
the same way.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
So let's look.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Forward to the Cincinnati Bengals. You guys, if you look
at this team on paper, you're saying, look, the thirty
first offense in the league, the thirty something run game
in the league. We all know who's over there. You
got Joe Burrow, you got Jamar Chase, you got Mixing.
I don't know if Higgins is gonna play or now.
But there's enough over there for you to spec Tyler

(08:00):
boy to to respect what's going on. When you look
at this matchup, what do you see? What should we expect?

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Well, the thing, you know, the pass rush last week
was obviously awesome, you know, even the guys that didn't
get sacks, but the pressure rate was like very very high. Uh,
they have to keep doing that. But the difference is
that Joe Burrow isn't as big a threat to take
off and run the way Brown is. But he's very
crafty in the pocket right, So if you if you like,

(08:27):
if you're not sure, if you're not in your right lanes,
he can find a lane and then all of a
sudden he scrambling and hit somebody for a big play.
So it's gonna be important for them to keep the
pressure on them. The offensive line there is kind of
up and down. Some some weeks they play well, police
other weeks they don't play so well. To me, that's
probably the weakest part of the team. So it's gonna
be important for our front seven to really get after them.

(08:48):
Having planned from behind behind, the change behind on the scoreboard,
that kind of thing getting pressing a little bit, so uh,
I think you know, because that offense can be explosive.
Mixing is like the third leading receiver on the team
and he's the leading rusher, so you have to deal
with that. And then, like you said, Jamar Chase, and
if T. Higgins has playing T Higgins, some people think
it's a number one receiver on other teams, So it's
gonna be it's gonna be important to really have those

(09:09):
corners and the secondary match with the pass rush to
put some breaks on this offense.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
A guy for the Bengals who probably doesn't get enough
love with the public, but within his peers he does
is Trey Henderson.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Man, this guy can play.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
He made the Pro Bowl and only had six sects,
So that lets you know, like how people think of
this guy. And when you have an offensive line that's
trying to figure out who's going to be available, who's
not going to be available. I've been impressed with how
they've been able to get five guys together and just
take care of Gino. What do you expect when you
look at that matchup with D line and offensive line.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Well, I think, you know, with Charles Cross coming back,
I think you're probably gonna still maybe at first give
him a little help, just kind of see how it's going.
But I means what tight end on, tight end on
the side, or put a running back over there to
chip on the on the way out right. But I
do think that in his best health self, I think
Charles Charles Cross can handle him by himself. The thing

(10:05):
that Hendrickson get you with is his hustle. He just
doesn't stop and so that's how he gets That's how
he gets a lot of sacks. But they also have
uh Sam Hubbard, he has a couple of sacks, and
then they have another defensive tackle Bjhilo or Hall I
think it is. He has two and a half sacks.
So it's gonna be worked for the whole offensive line.
But they've done Andy Dickerson has done a great job

(10:26):
coaching these dues up, and these dudes have done a
great job taking what they've learned in practice to the
game field.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Hey, I'm happy to be back. I took a week off.
We got a great crowd in front of us, Hi
y'all doing. We got Big Ray filling in for Paul
boy yay covering them. Next we'll dive into the Sea
How's Week six opponent with the Cincinnati Bengals with Jeff
Hobson from Bengals dot Com.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
That's next right here on Hawks Live.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
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Speaker 2 (11:03):
Welcome back to hog Slide, presented by the Donyesic as
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Speaker 4 (11:07):
Get a live show.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
We out here baby, seven o'clock every Thursday. Right here,
I'm Michael Bumpins. I'm with Big Ray Robinson right now.
We're joined by Jeff Hobson from Bengals dot Com. Is
it Bengals are Bengals? How do you guys say it?
It's almost like when I went to Idaho, I said
Boise and someone said, no, it's Boise.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
What is it? What is it?

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Jeff Ray Roberts is there. That's jus.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
What's something? Don't all right?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Hey, that's how famous my man is.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
He said, forget your question. I'm going straight to Ray Roberts.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Hey, Jeff Man, how you guys doing. What are your
thoughts on this offense?

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Man?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Because you look at this team on paper and I
try to tell people, I go look this is not
who they are, all right, it's been rough with with
Burrow having his calf injury. What are your thoughts on
this office and what should we expect at Seahawks fans?

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Well, I mean, you know, you hit it right on
the head. I mean, it's everything connected to the calf.
And if he can move, and he's clearly going to
have to move Sunday or he's got a lot of problems.
If he can move, they're an offense and if he's struggling,
they're going to struggle. So you know, it looks like
it's on the upside.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
He had a good league, He had a good he
had a good enough week last week that he told
the guys leading up to the Arizona game, I think
I'm gonna be able to buy time. I think I'm
gonna be able to get out of the pocket. And
he was able to sounds like he's saying the same
stuff you know now, But you know, hey, it's a
it's a soft tissue injury. Who knows, but uh, it's
only getting better in the last three weeks. And that's

(12:43):
you know, you got to keep your fingers crossed and
we'll see the same guy out there that we saw
Sunday in Arizona, but completely different defense they're playing. I mean,
I'm hot. I was high pressed, uh you know, to
name to name the guy in the Arizona defense. But
that's that's not the way with Seattle coming in.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah, speaking of Seattle's defense, last week, they produced eleven
eleven sacks, numerous hurries, a pick six. How I know
in the pass the offensive line for Cincinnati has struggled
at times to protect Joe Burrow. How has they how
have they played this year? And then you know, what
do you think their matchup is with our defensive our
defensive front.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
You know, I think I think they're better than they've
been perceived. I think people look at him and they
still think they're the same guys that blocked two years
ago in the Super Bowl, you know, or they think
they're the same guys that block in the championship game
in Kansas City. But no, that's that's the completely different line.
That line in Kansas City last year was missing three stars.

(13:45):
So you know, you could trace a lot of his
pressure early in the season once to the fact that
he could really move. I think, honestly, I think the
line is done. Has done pretty well. I mean, I
I think given it the fact that the quarterbacks you know,
was mobile, immobile for much of the season, they gave
up some sacks, they gave up some pressures. That was

(14:07):
the game plan early on, was they played man. They
would press and they would just come at Borrow and
he all he could do is get rid of it
or he gets sacked. So, you know, I think, I
just think the Bengals offensive line, you know, up until
the Arizona game, you know, mixing him to getting four
and a half yeys you carried. So I just think

(14:31):
they're probably not where they want to be after really
you know, spending all that money the last two offseasons.
But they're pretty good.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
I think.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
I think they're better than people think.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Jeff, I know you you've done your research. You watched
the film and Jamar Chase let everybody know that he's
always freaking open apparently, and I believe him.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
He's one of the best receivers in the league.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Gyt fifteen catches last week franchise working for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Is there something that's missing within this offense or was
it just Joe Burrow not being healthy that didn't allow
Jamar Chase to be the guy that we're used to
sing until last week.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, that's a good question. I think Arizona kind of
played him soft. They played zone, you know, they let
him get him into the spaces, you know. I think
that they've been moving him around a lot, and I
think he's a lot more comfortable now getting moved around
than he might have been three weeks ago. Barrow obviously
has a lot to do with it his health, you know,

(15:32):
And but I do think a lot of it's probably
been the you know, the defenses they've played, you know,
And I think this, I think there's a timing issue too.
I think people forget that, you know. I mean, I
know Burrow would Chase. It seems like they've been playing
since you know, Pop Warnau. But he Burrow didn't practice

(15:53):
for thirty four days. He basically, I mean he missed
all a training camp and didn't start practicing until ten
days until the Open. So you know, that's a lot
of back shoulders, that's a lot of you know, that's
a lot of high points. So I just think I
just think everything's starting to come together.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
That a little bit well on that defensive side of
the ball, you guys have gotten some some good production
in the pass rush with Hendrickson and Hubbard and even
one of the defensive tackles at Hill or Hall.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I can't b J b J Hill.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
I think it is yeah, J right, right.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
But what makes Hendrickson so different?

Speaker 8 (16:29):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I mean he has six sacks already in the season.
It's not the biggest dude or the fastest dude, but
but he's made Pro Bowls with less than ten ten
sacks and things like that. What what makes them special
and good for this defense?

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Never never stops. Got a motor. You know, he's got
one of those motors. And uh you you can't. I mean,
the guy's relentless, and he's got you know, I mean
his first I mean his get off. People talk about
his get off all the time, and it's, uh, you know,
the guy's the guy's almost invisible boom, he's gone, you

(17:05):
know that first that first step, you know, and uh,
you know the other thing is he's you know, if
you talk to the guy, he's just he's a very
very focused guy. And uh it is uh you know,
it's get to the quarterback or or or or or
it's a bad snap, and you know but it's that
it's that first I mean, it's that first step. I mean,
he is a he's a really a handful out there.

(17:28):
And the other guy on the other side of him,
Sam Hubbard, Uh, you know, he's I guess he's the
I guess he's probably the stereotypical you know, left end.
I going into this year, he had the most tackles, uh,
you know, of any any edge player since twenty eighteen
in the league. So but he he he can do

(17:49):
more than play to run too, and that he kind
of and and they get a pretty good rotation going
with those SI you know, coming off the bench. Camp
samples a solid guy, so they're pretty deep there. Didn't
have to you know, he doesn't have to play every
third down or every passion down.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Jeff, how quickly things change with an organization. When I
was coming up, we looked at the Cincinnati Bengals in five.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Okay, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But now there are expectations over there, and so far
this year you haven't met them. But I feel like
the the fan base is educated enough to know that, okay,
good times are coming. What's the vibe like over there
with the fan base when it comes to the Bengals.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Well, that's a pretty good call right there, and I
didn't need to be dismissive of your question. We do
call it Bengals, although several people do even people around
here called Bangles. But it is Bengals, and I think
the uh, you know, it's a it's a pretty it's
when it comes to football, you don't get you know,
you don't get more knowledgeable than Ohio. You know, the

(18:54):
folks live in breeze football. The Friday nights around here
are unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
You know.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
It's it's like college games and our high school games
and uh, you know, they get it. There's also a
sense of h in Borrow. We trust, you know, and
they've seen a lot of magical things these last couple
of years. So but you know, it's they're they're two
and three. It's a tough division. So I would say
it's a uh folks are you know, they're worried about

(19:23):
this one. They know what sir Pete has you know,
to me, uh, to me, Pete Carroll, he's the he's
one of the best. He and they and and and
to me's uh, it's the ball, you know. Uh uh
the Seattle's the NFC version of of Baltimore. You know,
they're gonna come in, they're gonna control the clock, they're
gonna be physical, they're gonna they're gonna beat you up.

(19:44):
They're gonna play great defense. The special teams, you know,
that's a nice little matchup. This this this trip heer
that people don't talk about, but you know, Darren Simmons,
the longest tenured special teams coach in the league, going
against the very good Larry A group there that that
you know, Pete always make sure he's got great specialty.

(20:06):
So we've seen this sack for full with Baltimore, and
uh and they didn't they didn't beat Baltimore this trip.
And so it's, uh, you know, it's a it's a hopeful,
optimistic fan base, but like any fan base, it's you know,
uh uh, it's a little bit. Every fan base is always.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Nervous, right, yeah, stay nervous.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Unless you are just a dominant franchise like the Pages
for twenty years, you better be nervous. But you know what, Jeff,
they're nervous to man, Hey, we appreciate your time, thanks
for staying up and holler out us man we'll talk.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
To you soon.

Speaker 8 (20:41):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
All right, Jeff all right.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
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Speaker 4 (21:20):
We are right here.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'm Michael Bambas with my guy what Ray Roberts and
right now we got Jake Kerhen on the line.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
What's up, Jake?

Speaker 7 (21:30):
Nothing much, man, Just enjoy my Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Enjoyed the Thursday.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
It's the little things in life that makes.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It special, man, especially when you're living life in the trenches.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Now, when I was in high school, I asked my
coach to let me play guard for one play, and
I was folded like a piece of paper. Jake, Just
straight up, I'm five to eleven a buckety five. So
I found a new respect for the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Man, When did you know you gotta be?

Speaker 7 (21:59):
You got to be the first high schooler to ask
ask to play the offense?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I know it right, Hey, I wanted I wanted it all.
I played quarterback, running back, receiver. I go one am
I missing offensive line, so I had to had to
go do it.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
And I'll never do it again, Jake, I'll never do
it again.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
When did you know you're gonna be an old lineman?
Because I hear a lot of old linemen tell me
there were tight ends at the time, there were dns.
When did you know that this was your path?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well?

Speaker 7 (22:24):
I didn't actually start playing football until I got into
high school, and at that point I was probably six
or four already, and you know, two hundred, I don't know,
thirty forty pounds, and they didn't give me too much
of an option there. So it was, you know, stick
me on the line and figure it out.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Hey, big Jake, you guys have had to shuffle a
bunch of guys in and out with the with the
injuries and things that have done a tremendous job. What
is it about Andy Dickerson's style and approach to coaching
that gets gets you all you guys ready to come
in and perform this way?

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, you know, I think in practice we switch it
around a lot. You know, unless you're one of the
guys who you know has as a starting position lockdown
going into the season, you kind of got to be
able to play in a couple of different places. So yeah,
you know, whether that's switching around between tackling guard or
swinging at one of those positions or playing all interior three.

(23:23):
I think, you know, everybody we have has the ability
to flex the multiple different positions. And then with that,
you know, we play next to a lot of different guys,
so yeah, I mean it's you know, we we've got
a lot of chemistry built between us and between a
lot of different combinations. And then in terms of Andy,
I think, you know, we just do a good job

(23:45):
in the meetings and the walkthroughs, going over all the
assignments and making sure everything's clear and really understanding how
to take those metal reps to make sure you're prepared Jake.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
No matter what defense your face, and whether it be
forty two bots or third thirty four front, you face
consistently one of the most athletic positions on the field
when it comes to getting.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
After the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Man, Yeah, does that stress you out? Like, take me
into what it's like being off the tack. I'm sitting
next to one right now, top ten pig. What's it
like for you?

Speaker 7 (24:18):
Man? I No, not really. You know, I always played
tackle all the way through high school and through college,
so that's you know, where I'm comfortable. I get more
stress out when I have to slide inside, because that's
for me. I didn't start doing that until two years
ago when I when I had to come into the league.
But no, you know, it's you know, a lot of

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it's about just angles and understanding what you're good at
and making sure that you're in the right spot. So
you're only giving them one direction to beat you. And
it's a whole lot harder for those guys to do
that if you're only giving them one choice. So h yeah,
I mean now, it probably did when I was a
freshman or sophomore in college, but at this point, I've

(25:01):
gotten a whole lot of reps out there, So that's
that's where I'm comfortable.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Hey, Jake, for the last month or so, you guys
have had Jason Peters in the room. It's a pretty
young room without him in there. But what have you guys,
what has he brought to the room, What have you
guys learned from him been in a room? Have you
had a chance to kind of pick his brain about
some things at the tackle spot?

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Yeah? Absolutely, I mean that was that was huge getting
him in here. Obviously, Hall of Fame level player has
been around the league for you know, I was probably
not even I definitely wasn't even ten years old yet
when when he started out playing. So yeah, no, it's
it's been It's been great having JP around. I've definitely

(25:48):
picked his brain a little bit. And I know, like myself,
Stone and some of the newer, younger tackles, we have
have been working with him a lot after practice and
just asking questions like, you know, here's what we got
this week, how do you deal with this type of
rusher or this this type of on whatever play? And
he's a guy that's seen everything, so that's been huge.

(26:10):
And the other part that's been huge about it is
he got in here right before we were going to
play the Lions, and you know, I feel like he
kind of reminded me to just play my game rather
than like, you know, over or take coaching too far,
like try to you know, do too much or not

(26:31):
do what I'm good at. Instead focus on like the
things that have gotten me to be successful at you know,
college and at this level. And that's been really helpful.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Jake, you're your leader.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Out there is Geno Smith and Ray and I did
the pre high time and postgame show for you guys,
so we get an opportunity to hear Geno Smith speak
after the game. But during the game, I look at Geno,
I'd be like, man, he's fiery. Man, he gets hot
out there. What's it like in a huddle with him
in a tense moment?

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Man?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Those are one of the things that I missed when
it comes to playing football, is being in the huddle
and having those conversations. What's it like when it's with
the games on the line? And uh, and you guys
need to make a play with Gino?

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah, I mean Gino is a competitor, man, and I
know you Uh, there's been the a clip from the
Lions game where the rest picked him up, and then
there was some some times that we got a little
bit dicey against the Giants, uh two weeks ago. I'm
sure that's what you're kind of referring to. But yeah, No,
he's a competitor and if something doesn't go his way

(27:39):
or something doesn't doesn't seem like they necessarily did the
right thing there, he'll he'll get fired up, and he's
you know, I think I speak for most of the
guys when he kind of loves seeing a quarterback go
get after some other guys. He's not afraid, he's not
going to back down, So we love that. But when
it when it's when it's time to go and it's
a tense moment and we need to get something done,

(28:00):
he reeled it back in. But yeah, I mean, you
love seeing that kind of fire out of a guy
that plays a position that isn't necessarily as physical as
the ten other positions on offense. So yeah, that's fun
to see and I think it fires all the guys up.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Hey, Jake, you guys have two really good running backs,
and Kenneth Walker and and Charbonney, two totally different type,
two different styles, though, and I get asked this all
the time, been off of the lineman. Do you block
differently or does it matter who's back there? How do
you How have you guys as an offensive line approached
to two different styles?

Speaker 7 (28:37):
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I don't even know
if I noticed sometimes when they switch them in and
out until they get past me. So no, it's the
same play as all that. You know, they might have
different personnel packages for different plays. That's you know, supposed
to be for Zach or Ken or you know, DJ
with some of the wildcat stuff too. So I'm sure

(28:59):
they have their their own runs, but I'm not I'm
not worried about, you know, who's back there necessarily. Obviously,
they're different style players. You know, Zach's one cut and
then gonna go run over a couple of people, and Ken,
you know, seems I would hate if I had to
try to tackle Ken just because he makes everybody miss
him fall over. But uh no, they're they're both really

(29:20):
good players, and they're they're both fun to block for.
But we're just running our stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
And then you.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Know, if Zach's in there, he's gonna he's gonna make
one cut and then run a few guys over and
if Ken's in there, he might run completely the opposite
way and then take it for a touchdown because he's
just you know that good at uh making people miss
so uh the same the same stuff for us.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
So Jake, Man, we appreciate your time. We call you missus.
Stay ready over here.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Man, because wherever they need you, you are ready to go.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
You enjoyed or your Thursday. I don't know if you
play video games, it's chilling with your girl. I don't
know what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
But enjoy your Thursday, and we appreciate your time. Man.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Yeah, thanks, guys, shit.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
You have me one all right?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
That is Jake kerrham Man, one of the most versatile linemen.
Bick Ray's been talking about Jay Curran for a long time.
When it comes to this offensive line. When we return,
we'll go around the NFL.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
We're going to talk about the Chiefs, the Broncos, the Jets,
the Bills, whatever feels right.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
That is next right here on Hawk's lot.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Hawks Slive presented by the Dining District of a Bellevue
Collection at Bellevue Squares Center Court, live on air on
Seattle Sports.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
What's up.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
This is Hawks Live. I'm Michael Bombas with Ray Roberts.
We got a great crowd in front of us. I
know what you're all waiting for. That dB that's gonna
be here pretty soon Dev Witherspoon. But every Thursday, right here,
seven o'clock BB Squares Center Court, we will be here
on Michael Bamas with Ray rovers Like I mentioned, man,
and it's time to go around the NFL. If you're
looking at the Thursday night game sixteen to zero, the

(30:57):
Chiefs lead the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
I'm not surprised. Are you surprised?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
You know, the the Broncos are a train wreck right now,
and you know, I can't even say that. You know,
I kind of feel sorry for Russell because he has
played some okay football, but that whole franchise is just
kind of like a dumpster fire right now. So I
don't know if it's gonna get any better if the
season goes on. But the Chiefs seem like they started
out a little bit slow this year, but to start
to find the rhythm, so we'll see how they finish.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
You guys are ready for some reality.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm talking to the live crowd here the forty nine
ers are good guys.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
They are good.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Boom boo that team, do you hear boo?

Speaker 4 (31:35):
That team?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
That's a soft boom man?

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Y'all sure because they know that seems pretty good.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
We got Brian Perdy, Deebo, Samuel, Christian McCaffrey, Brandon, I
you George Killder defensively, Fred Warrener greenlaw Ward.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Gibson, who fun good.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm looking at these guys and I go, look, it's
a blessing and a curse that they're in our division
because we know we are going to get a chance
to play them and see what this team is really
made of.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
When you look at the forty nine ers, what do
you see?

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Well, my rookie year with the Seahawks, we went and
played the Dallas Cowboys and I don't think we crossed
the fifty yard line but one time, and it seemed
like they had about fifty dudes on defense. I swear,
if you block two of them, three of them came free.
And that's what their defense looks like to me. It
just seems like their defense overwhelms other offenses. I mean,

(32:26):
they're just I mean, Fred Warner's coming from everywhere. You
got Bosa doing you know, his thing, and it's just
like they have players all over the place.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
And then on offense, man, you can call.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Party a game manager or you know, he's lucky they
has the offensive quarter the head coach, he has, or
the weapons around him. But this dude is doing what
he's what they pay him to do, and he's doing
it at a very high level. So it's a little
bit scary because his confidence is sky high, right, and
so then he's gonna take some chances and make some
throws and do some things. McCaffrey is just unreal. McCaffrey

(32:57):
might be like one of the top MVP candidates right now.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
They have some really good football players.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, all around on that team.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
As a quarterback, you don't have to be the best
quarterback in the league. You just got to run the system.
I think that's what Rod Perdy is doing. All right,
Let's let's shift over to the AFC.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Man. I'm looking at the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
And I'm trying to figure them out because i think
you lose that first game against the Jets, you put
some games together, you lose another one, and I'm not
sure what to make of the Buffalo Bills. I know
they have Josh Allen, one of the best quarterbacks in
the league, Stefan Diggs one of the best receivers in
the league. But defensively, they're not the team that we're
used to seeing. When you see the Bills, what type
of field do you get?

Speaker 5 (33:38):
I don't feel like I can trust him, right, Yeah, Like, honestly,
the only dude, the only dude I feel like I
can trust on that entire team is Stefan Diggs. Yep,
because he's gonna He's a great route runner. You know,
he doesn't drop a whole lot of footballs. He makes
big plays. I've known this dude since he's in high school,
and he's been the same dude the entire time.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Is that how he knows this high school.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
He's from Maryland and they were recruiting at Virginia when
I was working there, and so I was able to
talk to him and his family trying to convince him
to come to UVA. But his little brother with them too,
not at the time, him and his pops. Okay, yeah,
and uh, but no, he's a he's a fantastic player.
I just don't have a whole lot of faith faith
in allan too consistently play well and consistently protect the ball.

(34:20):
I still I still like it's you know, they did
kind of get tempered down a little bit, but I
still like I still feel like I have more faith
in the Dolphins than the than the Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
But really, yeah, what.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Do you like about the Dolphins?

Speaker 5 (34:31):
I just like to I like what they try to
do on offense, speed kills. You know, speed freaking covers
up a lot of bad things. It's a bend aid
for a lot of things, you know, And so they
have some good speed on both sides of the ball.
And I don't know, I like I like Mike McDaniel's
he's a he's an interesting dude. They try to come
up with, you know, he tried to make it sound
like he's trying to come up with new offense.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I don't know how new it.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Is other than he just has something freaking for by
one hundred USA track team. Uh but uh, But I
just like his approach to it as cool and calm.
He doesn't like, you know, every week, you don't get
some big, huge statement out of him. And I think
they're one of those teams that people can easily go like, oh,
they're a big splash to start out with and just
kind of.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Write them off. But they're still right there.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
All right, we're going back to the NFC. Who here
thinks the Cowboys are legit? One hand?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
We got one hand out of a thousand people I'm
looking at right now, one hand out of a thousand
thinks the Cowboys are legit. I look at the Cowboys
in every year, right, when you spend money and you
put players on paper, you're gonna say, you know what,
they got a chance to win, you know what, Ray Roberts,
I've been around this earth a few times. I've been

(35:38):
around the sun, excuse me a few times, right, and
not since the early nineties have the Cowboys been legit?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
And unfortunately, I.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Look at Dak Prescott and I go, man, I just
don't know. I root for him, I just don't know
if he's capable of doing it. The Cowboys taking l
to the forty nine ers last week.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
What are your thoughts on the Cowboys?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I think the Cowboys are I don't want to call them.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
They're almost They're an almost team, Like every every position
is almost good enough. The quarterbacks almost good enough to
make you just kind of hanging there with him a
little bit. Make you believe, make you believe. The offensive
line is the same way, even though they have some
some all pro type players, but that hurt a lot
in and out of the game. On defense, Parsons, to me,
is a legit player. Sometimes you just talk a little

(36:23):
too much and you bring too much heat to yourself.
Digs on the in the secondary. You know he does,
he gets the ball, he turns it over a lot.
He's not playing right now because of injuries, but you
know he can be beaten too.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
And so sometimes.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Like you like to play against dogs or players that
bark the loudest sometimes because usually that's insecurity.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
They're trying to cover something up.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Because if you're that good, you don't have to tell
a whole lot of people, you know what I'm saying.
It just happens now. Some people are a little bit different.
Richard Sherman was a talker, but you know, you could
see his game until he was balling out. But the
Cowboys they're kind of ten good, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
They can be good.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I don't know if they show up in the big moments.
I don't know if the coaching shows up in the
big moment. So I can't grew up a Cowboy fan, though,
grew up a Cowboy fan who wanted to play for
the Cowboys, almost got drafted by the Cowboys. They won
I don't know, two or three Super Bowls in my
first four or five years in the league.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I was here in Seattle fourteen, but.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
No so.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
But I've always had a little bit of heart for
the Cowboys. But they just seem like they they talk
to talk, but don't necessarily walk the walk when it counts.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, it matters, I feel that.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And some controversy went down with that Cowboys Niners game.
So when we talk best tight ends in the game,
I think you gotta go Kelsey, you gotta go Mark Andrews,
you gotta go Waller, and then you gotta go Kittle.
Kittle had himself a day, three catches, three touchdowns, sixty

(37:58):
seven yards.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Any raise his jersey and it said.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Freaking the Cowboys something like that. You guys get my jerk, Right,
I've seen guys fine for socks in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Do you think the NFL should find George Kittle for
uh freaking Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:20):
I think they should, just because that's what they do,
He'll he'll get some hefty fine. However, I love it.
I love like sometimes the NFL.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
There's kids, you got kids still, It's like sometimes the
NFL just kind of like dampers down the fun so much,
and they damper down the physicality and just the natural.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Trash talking and stuff that comes with the sport.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
And uh and I like that.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
George Kittle was like, whatever they find me, it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Like it was. It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Then you got Parsons Jawn with you know, he has
a little podcast and he's going back and forth with
Deebo Samuels.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I love that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
It's part of I mean, when I grew up playing
on the playground, it was like that, you played the
other neighborhoods, you're talking trash to them, you're doing whatever.
And then all of a sudden you get to the
league and they try to make it so so professional
that it takes some of that out of it. And
so I like all of that stuff that's happening right now,
because at some point you're gonna have to line up
across from the dudes and you're gonna have to, you know,
put your money where your mouth is, you know, and

(39:19):
that's where that's where it matters.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I like that, you know, because well my kids, you know,
I drop a couple things every now.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Man, just let them know that this is what reality is.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Though.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
But no, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I think that I appreciate George Kittle bringing people back
to reality because if you were miked up back when
you were playing, could you imagine the things that we
would hear?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, you were playing?

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Well, I know one time I was breaking the team
down in Detroit and you know, they have the big
boom mics over and my mom heard what I said.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
And and so after the.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Game, after the game, I had all these calls from
my mom, like she's calling me as a game is
going on, Like I'm like, I'm gonna go to the
sideline and pick the phone up and uh. And she
was just like, hey boy, like I taught you better
than that. I'm like, what are you talking about? And
she's like, I heard what you said on TV. And
I still have no idea what she's talking about. I'm like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Mom?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
She's like, before the game, he was.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Talking to the team and you said this, and you
said that, And I'm like mom like, like, I'm a
different dude when that happened. I'm not junior at that point.
I'm Ray, you know what I'm saying. And Ray is
a different dude when he snaps his chin straps like,
so next time, just don't listen to the pregame park
just wait till the wait till the game starts. But yeah,
it's it's some very choice words even during Like at

(40:36):
one point I think a few years ago, they were
talking about micing up, putting more mics on the field
so you can hear.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
What guys were saying. That you don't want that.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
You don't want that at all, And you thought there
would be no kids watching football.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
He wasn't Ray, he was Big Ray in that moment.
You don't mess with Big Ray. Yeah, all right, when
we returned the moment you guys have all been waiting for,
Devin Witherspoon will be here in person. Well, talk to
the Ricky sensation that is next right here.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
On Hawk's Live Hawks Slive, presented by the Dining District
at the Bellevue Collection at Bellevue Squares Center Court, every
Thursday from seven to nine live on air on Seattle Sports.
No if you're your hosts, Michael Bumpis and Paul Moyer.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Welcome back to Hawks Live on Michael Bompas with Ray Roberts.
Paul Moyer just had his second or third grandchild, so
he's in Tashs. As our local cowboy would say here,
I would tell them to bullie you, but I like
you too much. I'm not going to do that too, okay,
And we're looking Here's the thing when you draft guys

(41:42):
who aren't from the area, bellvy's confusing sometimes. You know,
I'm from California, where it takes thirty minutes to go
five minutes, and you figure it out. But we're looking
for Devin with the spoon and he will be here,
don't you worry. But in the meantime, we're gonna do
a little song of dance a little bit, all right,
We're gonna focus on this matchup between the Bengals. Isn't

(42:05):
as simple as just having a quarterback who's better than
the next quarterback. Now, Joe Burrow is the highest paid
player in the NFL for a reason. He's taking this
scene to a super Bowl, back to back conference championships.
He has done a lot with a little when it
comes to that offensive line. Can you just look at
the quarterback and say, all right, he's a better quarterback,

(42:26):
they should win this game.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
I mean, I think if they're both planned, if both
quarterbacks are playing their best football, probably Joe Burrow has
the advantage. But I can't say that you're just because
of Joe Burrow they're gonna win the football game, because
there's just too many players, you know, like you have
a Quandre Digg, you have a you know, you know

(42:48):
Bobby Wagner, you have Witherspoon, you have Tariq Woollen, like
that's Jamal Adams.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
That's a lot of dudes that can make plays.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
And then on on our offense, at every skill position
you can there's guys that can take it to the house.
You're the tight end, you know, can take it to
the house. The running bats can take you to the house.
All the receivers. So it's more than just a quarterback.
It's more than just the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's the old line, it's the d line, and then's
these dudes making plays. Right now we are joined by
Devin witherspool Man A.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
The folks. The folks waited a long time to see
what you can do.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Man training Cab, I think you had like a hamstring
thing going on. You took your time, You're waiting for
your opportunity, and you hit the ground running.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I mean, when you are as high as a drive
pick as you are, you already got the swag in
the confidence.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
When you stepped on the field for the first time
during the regular season game, what that feel like?

Speaker 9 (43:46):
I just felt like I need to get back to
the basis, basically just going back to play football, the
game just on the biggest stage.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
So I was just ready to get out there and compete.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Yeah, just talked about your swag and like you're such
a low key dude.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
That seems like.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Off the field, but but then on the field, like
your personality You're playing personality is huge, Like where does
that come from?

Speaker 9 (44:07):
That's just me being me out there on the field.
I just love to compete and go out there and play.
So I show a lot of passions and most of
the game because I love what I do.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
So that's just the reason why I put that do
on the field.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I love it, man, keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So when they drafted you, did you think, all right,
I'm gonna be a corner.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
I'm gonna be that nickel spot?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Was there was there a communication when it came to
what your role was going to be or did it
just kind of happen organically as the training camp went along.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
We ain't really have a set spot where I was
gonna be. That kind of happened more is just the
game plan and got a feel for how I like
to play and seeing it on tape, so they're just like, Okay,
we're just gonna move you around to see how you
adjusted with it. And I was able to pick up
on it pretty good. So we was like, okay, we
just gonna move you around. I'm all right.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I feel so you grew up in Florida, Let's go
to Florida. You went from that, from that heat to
that cold and Illinois? What was that like?

Speaker 4 (44:56):
What me?

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Nah?

Speaker 9 (45:00):
It was just extremely cold. I ain't used to that,
and it's just windy, especially Illinois. So it was just bad.
But you get used to it though. When you're out
there on the field, you just got to suck up
and play. But off the field, it ain't nothing to
be messed around with. I feel like cold is vicious.
Man's vicious man. I'm from southern California.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Then I went to school in Eastern Washing It's the
first time I saw negative.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
But I look into them, what's going on here? We
can't sling practice?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
What we do with it?

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Was like, no, lay some up, let's go.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
It's the usual. It's a regular Tuesday for you. And
when I was in practice, I was layered up. I
had like too many layers on when I was practicing.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
The same for you thermals leave pants, tight, loan socks,
maasline everything, everything that's.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Old school all that.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, Hey, when you when you get the phone call
from the Seahawks, like a lot of people in the draft,
was you thinking this were going to go different? And
then they call you? Like were you always in contact
with them? Like did when you talk to them doing
like the pre draft stuff, Like what were those conversations?
Like did they give you an indication that you might

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be our guy?

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Nah?

Speaker 9 (46:12):
Originally that I was just I ended up taking a
visit here during my visiting my teams and stuff like that,
and I really wasn't supposed to come here, and then
they booked me to come here, So I'm like, okay,
we fitted in my schedule and I came here and
then I had no idea I was gonna be here
after the draft, so I'm like, okay, they just brut
me in whatever whatever. So originally everybody thought I was

(46:35):
going to Detroit, so I was like, okay, I'm not
probably gonna fall past six. And then I remember Draft
night like it was just say. I was sitting down,
I was on my phone. I was seeing where everybody say,
where everybody's going go and stuff, and then all the
camera people are around Jayling Carter because I think he
was on the phone. And then I was just telling them.
I'm like, okay, okay, probably I'll probably be going next

(46:56):
So but then I had got a call and then
it was from written Why So I'm.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Like, I'm I told my agent. I'm like, hey, they
called me.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
I was supposed to anwer the phone, so I answered
the phone and then they told me they was selected me.
And then by the time I looked up, all the
camera people was around.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
I was like, oh, I put my head but that
was do though. That's awesome, man, that's awesome feeling. What
what positions did you play growing up? Because I mean, you.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Know, about the same size, average type dude, so I
would assume running back, dB, receiver, maybe even some quarterback.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Like what positions did you play? All the ones that
you named in safety and stuff as well? Yeah? So yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Ones did you did you want to play? Did you
kind of fall into your role now or did you
think I'm gonna be something else now?

Speaker 9 (47:38):
I kind of always knew I was gonna play, like
on the defensive side because they took one time me
see somebody get hit on the slant round.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I'm like, yeah, that ain't gonna be me.

Speaker 9 (47:47):
Yeah, So since then I made the transition to defense
and I just tole it.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
So you've been you've been with the team or you know,
this is what four games into to the season, had
a big, huge Monday night. Uh, what are one or
two things that you've learned that you've learned since you've
since since you've been in lead.

Speaker 9 (48:06):
I just feel like it's hard to win in this league.
Like every team is a tough team to play against.
They are everybody gonna have good scheme plays to scheme
you up and beat you. So it's like in the lead,
there's no fall offs with teams. You can see around
the league each week, Like you used to be surprised
that one team beat another, but that just just how
the league go. So I'm just me, it's just hard
to win this league and you just got to go

(48:27):
out there and continue to play.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
NFC Defensive Player of the Week two sacks, pick to
the Hoodie nine them players.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
He did.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So we do pre halftime in postgame show, we make
our predictions, and Big Ray predicted that you're gonna take
one to the house. So so you've had like so
much success early. Man, you know you're still a rookie,
but when you prepare throughout the week, what what keeps
you going?

Speaker 4 (48:59):
What keeps you motivate?

Speaker 9 (49:00):
My teammates the way we just prepare and we talk
to each other them about every week and how we're
gonna play different concept, different routes that teams like the run,
and then when we sect ourselves see how teams going
to attack us to be different coverages. We just go
out there and it's like every week, we gotta be
on our own point. We gotta be at a one
every week because team's gunning first. So that's that's really

(49:21):
keep me level headed throughout the week. And I just
go out there and continue to prepare and just go
out there and play football.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Well, it's not often that rookies get like big, huge compliments.
It used to be you should be seen and not
heard y right, But early in training camp, Uh, they
were talking to Quandre Diggs and he said that the
energy and the swagger and the confidence and like bordering
on KACKI, I don't care what you call it, like

(49:47):
that some of the older players needed to see that
they needed to be reminded of that and that you
you kind of brought that to them. What do you
think about that type of a compliment?

Speaker 7 (49:57):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (49:57):
Now, as though though that he said that me, I
just really I just take it the room with it.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
So I was like, said that.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Then.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
That's like my old g in room.

Speaker 9 (50:07):
But yeah, I just I feel like I kind of
remind the old guys of the younger selves and remind
them that the game is always gonna be fun. So
just go out there and see you to have fun,
God damn, and just play your balls off and just
go have fun.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I remember when I was playing one drafted as high
as you, I won't drafted all. I snugged through the
back door and I remember walking into the receiver room
and seeing all these names and these guys, be like, man,
I'm here right now. You know, I would imagine that
you had a moment where you felt like you a rise.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Man, do you remember that moment and what was that? Like?

Speaker 9 (50:42):
Uh, it's kind of blurred blur now. But when I
first walked into the room, I'm like, I really played
for this NFL team.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
So I was like, I played for the Seahawks.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
And then all the rookies he kept saying that to
each other, be like, this is our job, this is
our new lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
So we just really couldn't get over it for real.

Speaker 9 (50:59):
And then after we had my game and then the
preseason happened and I didn't get a since played, I'm like,
so I'm like, I want to do play with all
the rookies. I'm like, I look like y'all having fun
out and I want to go out there and have
fun too. And then before you know it, the season
was here, and then it got real. So it's like
now it's a fifty mini roster, a practice squad, and
you just see a lot of people faces that you've

(51:20):
seen in OTA's and rookie minicamp that's not there anymore.
So it's like, Okay, this is a real business, a
real job. So every day you go out there and
got to prove it's an interview, so you just got
to go out there and swaying while you're worthy of
being here.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
So I think I've read somewhere and you can correct
me if I'm wrong that you were kind of like
a late starter to football and at your mom convince
you to play.

Speaker 9 (51:41):
Yeah, so I played part warning football and then when
I got to high school, I stopped and then I
ain't play again until my junior year because I was
playing basketball.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
So you got a game like that.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Oh yeah, I was a hoopo though. It gets like
that on the court though.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
But your mom, what was that conversation?

Speaker 8 (51:57):
Like?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
With your mom?

Speaker 9 (51:58):
She just she kept big me to play football just
one more time. I'm like, man, I don't want to
play football in no more. She was like, just please
play one more year for me. I'm like, okay, okay,
I'm just tired of hearing this. It's been two years
and she steady evincing, and I'm like, okay, I'm just
gett one year out the way. And then after my
first year, I had got my scholarship off of Detroit
University and I never loved it.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I just kept running with it.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
So what you get, mom, as soon as you got
that good little signing bonus.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Come on, now we can't speak all that. Take care the.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Main thing, the main thing.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Hey, we're happy you're here, man. You keep doing your thing.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's been a pleasure watching you play, and I'm excited
to see how you grow from here. Man, give it
one more time for Devin with the spoon. All right,
we'll we come back, man, We'll go inside the film
when we talk about Mario Edwards, Sack dk metcalf touchdown
and also my man right here, ninety seven yard touchdown
to the house that is next right here on Hawk's Lit.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Hawkss Live presented by the Dining District of the Bellevue
Collection at Bellevue Square Center Court on Seattle Sports.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Welcome back to Hawk's Live. The Faith for are still here.
Devin Witherspoon was here then about fifteen percent of y'all left,
and it's okay. We're still here, man. I'm Michael Bamas
with Ray Roberts. It's time now to go inside the
film room. The first clip we're breaking down Margot Edwards

(53:24):
Sex Daniel Jones for a ten year loss and I
fumble recovered by the guy with the beyond knee, Jordan Brooks.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
First time they did give it to him. As we said,
first and ten at.

Speaker 8 (53:34):
For twenty five play fake, Jones stepped away from a
sack being chasing kickback up down fumble Seahawk ten minutes,
Brooks spins out of a tackle, fights his way down
the sideline knock down bounce.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
At the seven yard line.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
The Seahawks had two guys.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
But got a shot at the big quarterback of the Giants.
The first one he was able to avoid.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
The second one he could not. He would sacked.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
Force the fumble Brooks picture and takes it down inside
the ten.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
What'd you see there, big Ray?

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Well, the first thing I saw was new Wolson, who
came off of our defensive left side and didn't bite
on the run fake because if he had, if he
had gone down on the run fake, the quarterback could
have gotten out to the edge and had more space.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
But he stayed up the field.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Actually missed the sack, so he could have finished with
three sacks in that game, but it slowed the quarterback
down enough for man. I forgot this name, Mario, Mario
Jones to come around and get the sack.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Yeah, and that's what I see. There are two man.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
You got that Jet sweep that is trying to lure
Edwards out right, and then you have the play fake
to be like, look, in case you didn't take the
Jets sweep, you're gonna take this playfake.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
And get your shoulders downhill.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And that's what qbs are looking for, what play callers
are looking for. It like, look, we want to influence
this guy, whether we widen him out or narrow him down,
getting his shoulders down the line of scrimmage. And it
just doesn't happen. And then I'm hey, come on, Jordan Brooks. Guys,
Jordan Brooks. I did not expect to see him until
about November, maybe around my birthday, baby girl's birthday, December thirteenth,

(55:10):
you know, but he's out there making plays. That was
a big one for the Seattle Seax. Okay, this next
play we got Geno Smith. He finds dk Metcalf for
a six yard touchdown.

Speaker 10 (55:20):
Gino out of his shotgun as Walker beside him just
to his left, awaiting the snap. Gino takes it, steps
up in the pocket, scrambles away to his right side,
looking to the end zone.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Fires are tart in the.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Back of the en zone.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
DK does he haven't feed in it as touch on sheehawks.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
DK Metcalf with the.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Rupe and dope in the back of the end.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
Zone, hands down by his side. Gino fires off bullet
and Metcalf reacts makes the catch feed in six point seahawks.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I'd been rated Gino making plays. Tell me what you're
looking at.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Well at the offensive line, and on this play, the
two tackles kind of got They stayed between their guy
and the quarterback for the most part, but they got
pushed back into Geno's lap. And so the thing that's
to me that has been impressive about Geno is his mobility.
I didn't think that he was as elusive as he is. Sometimes,
not so much when he tries to do to like

(56:20):
the the Michael Vick like run back fifty yards to
gain another two yards.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
You're talking about, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
But but when he when he.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Kind of stays within what he's capable of doing, he's
very mobile in the pocket and he's able to get
outside and then this throw the d K and DK
you know, doing not having his hands up until the
last minute, like, I don't. I don't know if I
could have ever done that. That's what that has to
be a wide receiver thing. It definitely is. Is it
a is it a name for someone was calling it

(56:49):
the deek or something?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
It's dec is more hockey hitt him with the de right, Yeah,
mighty Dues, triple dy eighties babies here, anybody triple D
triple D D two.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
You know what I'm saying, Mighty Dugs.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But no, what DK did was because there are keys
that lets a DV. No, the football is on the way,
our eyes get big and those hands start to show.
So DK has the shield on so you can't see
his eyes. So he was just late with his hands
and boom. But this is one of the reasons why
I feel like Geno Smith is underrated because he's going

(57:26):
east to west.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
And I coached high school football.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
You coach high school football, and when I talk to
my quarterbacks whenever they are rolling out, I tell them,
you got to push downhill before you throw the football
to get more power on him. But then you deal
with a grown man. He goes, no, I'm gonna go
east west. I'm gonna fire that thing out there and
DK is going to get it done. I think that's
what we saw right there, and d DK did a
great job of selling the whole situation.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Oop.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Sorry, we had the the DV with his back to
the play the whole time, so he had no idea.
So good job on DK, Good job on Geno.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Also say two that from when DK came into the
league and to be able to have the confidence to
make that catch because he was a body, big time
body catcher when he first came in, and so that
just kind of speaks to also the work he's put
in to be a to be a better receiver and
a hands catcher.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Couldn't agree more, all right, next play, Devin Witherspoon spicks
excuse me, picks off Daniel Jones and runs it back
ninety seven yards for a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
We just spoke to this band.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
So Jones from the shotgun read him beside him in
the backfield, single wide out left with a slot to
the right side. See how it looks like they want.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
To rush four? Yeah, they do. Jones is gonna throw throws.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
Near side, foul pick up Withers food cuts your time
down the sidelines. Joe chasing get me cautchback inside picks
up blockers, show big Chase Witherspood four time, twenty fifty
tenth time he is in Polly Catfish. Witherspood went up
with the interception for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Well you see, well, I mean, I just I don't
know much about the route concepts, but it looks like
they had two kind of return routes and he sat
right in the middle of both of them, and then
the quarterback throwing the ball. The thing that I think
is kind of funny about this whole thing is when
he got to like the thirty five yard line and
was trying to change to corrections and he had the

(59:28):
little windmill arm thing that that looks like a like
that's how I would have to change directions I need.
I need all the help I need to get my
whole body going one direction.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
And then the other thing was just.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
How easy uh treak Wooland was running really fast on
this on this interception return, he just kind of jogged
down the field and was clocked as the fastest UH
run in the in the NFL so far this season,
and he was just chilling.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
So what I'm looking at, I see Tarik Wollin is
responsible for the flat. You got your number two receiver,
which is the guy that is second closest to the sideline.
He runs a slide the route as to what I
call it. So you're running out and you slide back in.
Chariq Willen is responsible for the flap. So if that

(01:00:20):
receiver slides back in, he has a linebacker that's responsible
for the hook to crow.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
He goes, look, I'm gonna pass you off to that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
So he passes him off to the guy in him
being in the right place where he's supposed to be
at the right time. He gets rewarded by the forty
million dollar quarterback, Daniel Jones, which I think, you know what,
I never want to hate on a man for making
this money.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Damn Jones. You make your money, You finesse the system,
all right, But.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
This right here is why I never thought he was
worth it. So Daniel Jones throws this a horrible ball,
and Devin Witherspoon is where he's supposed to be, and
now it's time to give money. You got your quarterback
chasing you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
You better not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
As a skill guy, big Ray, you can't get caught
by quarterbacks or kickers. You get caught by quarterbacks or kickers.
You're going back to that locker room and they are giving.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
You that word h worthy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
He giving you heck when you getting into the room.
So no, that's Devin witherspool Man. When you just do
your job, sometimes you get rewarded. And that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Yeah, And like we said earlier, for this guy man
like two sacks to pick six on Monday night in
New York, it's amazing that he picked that. All that
stuff went down for him in that moment on that
stage and that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Time, big time, big moment for a big time player.
All Right, that's it for the film room. When we
come back, well, we'll talk that talk. That's when me
and Big Ray throw some topics. He tells me I'm wrong.
I tell him he's wrong, and we might be right.
But that's just what we do. That's coming up next
right here on Hawk's Live. It's time to talk that

(01:02:02):
talk with Michael Bumpis and Paul Moyer on Hawks Live.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Welcome back to Hawks Live. We are here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I'm Michael Mamas with Ray Robbers, Brendan Rodgers over there,
Brother Chauncey Sanders, Nacy Schoby, those are the guys who
make all this happen. And the people right here, people
hanging out with it is this time for talk that talk.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
This is what happens and talk that talk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
So I throw a topic out there, and typically this
is Paul Morris sitting here. I tell him why he
is wrong, and I just cannot mess with him anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Got you all right?

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
But it's big Ray. I'll just tell you that you're wrong,
but I can still rock with you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Rock like that though, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Know, it's it's what we do, all right. So my
little bro first one, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Devin with the school has a legit shot at winning
defensive Rookie.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Of the Year. Yes, no, how do you feel about that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
You know, from the rookies that I've seen on defense, like,
he has a chance to be the most impactful.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I mean, it's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Hard to come back, you know, to duplicate the game
that he just had, you know, you know, two sacks
and a pick six ninety something yards whatever. But he
is one of those dudes that the camera likes. You're
gonna they're gonna see him a lot. He's very he's
very animated, and so you're gonna see his highlights a lot,
and I think that's gonna carry it for him because
he's gonna make a lot of players.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
So I'm going yet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Man, that is the best description I've heard. He's the
guy that the camera likes. If the camera likes you,
that means you're making put on something. We're zooming in.
If you guys don't know right when you produce the show,
this producer in your ear, he goes twenty one, twenty one.
It's the number twenty one, and he's telling the camera
where to go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Devin Witherspoon is the type.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Of guy to where the producers in the guy's ear
and saying, look, get to twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I agree with you, man, I think he does.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
And you know what's crazy is if the guy that
most people wanted the Seahawks to pick up has a
chain as well as that's winning defensive Rookie of the year.
You're looking at Jalen Carter. I believe he has two
and a half or three and a half sacks on
the year as an interior lineman. That looks good, But
I think that teams are going to attack the Seahawks

(01:04:15):
on the perimeter because they've been so good inside the box,
stopping the run. That Devin Witherspoon is gonna have more
opportunities to make plays. All right, I think we agree
right there, Big Ray feel you next one? I want
to read it where we at Jackson Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Jackson Smith and Jagba and jig Ma buf Ma Jigbull.
We'll have his first breakout game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
His first breakout game. Didn't already have it? Oh no, no, no,
I'm thinking with this Spoon. See, I'm thinking of Rikies.
I'm all Jack Deville, I'm all Jack delle Man, my
man Jay is sim We've been waiting on this, right
the twin the pick in the league. You got Geno Smith,
this guy who was the only NFC quarterback to throw
for over thirty touchdowns four thousand yards. I'm gonna go

(01:05:01):
out on the limb and say it's about to go down.
It's about to go down because teams are gonna look
at Ken Walker, even Zach Charbonay before Json, Tyler Lockett,
DK Metcalf and the tight ends are gonna be like hein,
don't worry about that number.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Eleven, Hey doing well.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Here here's the thing to what would constitute a breakout game, Like,
what would the stats be for me?

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
If he has two yards in a touchdown, that's a breakoup.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Two yards just getting his zone, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
So now if he doesn't get in his zone, I'm
gonna take six receptions for eighty two one hundred yards.
Because he's a slow receiver, he's a third option. Essentially,
he's really the fourth option.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Touchdown. I'm not calling that a breakout.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
But if he has the four or five catches for
eighty yards and even though touchdown, I think I would
call that a breakout.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
What about what about forty yards in a touchdown?

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
I could see that, I mean, because he's not gonna
probably get a ton of targets.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Yeah, so to get forty yards.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
He'll have to be making the most of what he gets.
So I can you'll get to see the fool him
if he does that. Right, But I'm not sure it's
gonna happen. No, No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
I don't think it's I don't think the time is
there yet. I don't. I don't think it's right there yet.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
I respect it, Yah, I ain't add at that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Okay, next week, Jamal Adams will look like his twenty
twenty form against the Cincinnati Bengals that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
You think, big Y.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
The thing I like about the way he came back,
even in the nine plays is that he played without
hesitation rat So I think that will give him a
chance to play like his twenty twenty form because other
because the injury he had when he hear you hear
him talk about it, his kneecap was he was holding
his kneecap.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
On the side as he was running off the field.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
You familiar with that, aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
You a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I did.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
My fetell attendant in my and my kneecap was up
in my thought, goodness, cres but uh but and I
had to I had to coming and carry me off.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
He ran off, Big Ray. Yeah, they call you Big
Ray for a reason. I couldn't walk you off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I couldn't walk it all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
How many how many men did it take?

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Well, one dude came out and then he was like,
uh you okay. I'm like no, He's like, well, I'll
be right back, and we he got reinforcements. But the
fact that he came back off the injury and was
just playing at the pace of speed and recklessness that
he plays with, right, I think, you know, if he's
the cob wells were cleared out of his head and

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they put him in the right position. I think he's
going to make a lot of plays on Sunday, so
I could see that happening. Him looking like twenty twenty Jamal.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I think we saw for nine plays. Yeah, you know,
he almost had a sack. He had two tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
He looked explosive, and I think that's all I was
looking for, the one thing I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
He didn't look really flexible, big raight like. I'm looking
at his pad level and the hinge and the hips,
and I look at.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Him and go him. He's still thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
So I think now after he has a game under
his belt, he's put something on film that he can
look at and see like, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
I'm good to go. I think he's gonna come out
and do his thing. I got you, all right, So
what you got man? We gotta think the next.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
One is what team scares you more? The San Francisco
forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Or the Philadelphia Eagerly Who y'all think we gotta be
the Niners?

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
We see him twice, We see him twice? Do we
see Philly this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Do we see phil and the experts out there, I'm
supposed to be the experts. Yeah, we do see Philly,
all right, But we see the Niners twice.

Speaker 7 (01:08:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I'm looking at brock party He's legit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
I'm done questioning brock Purty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
As long as he has Debo ayuk Kittle, McCaffrey and
the rest of the gang surrounding him, I think he's
gonna be good to go. I'm looking at the forty
nine ers and say, if you can take one, that's
a win.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
This is true, and we find the split with them.
The thing I would say, though, is that Philadelphia has
been through it, have a lot of guys you know
that's still on the team and went to the Super
Bowl and all that kind of stuff, and they've they've
had to grind. They've had to grind through some wins.
And so if it was if it was a game
where the forty nine ers have to play from behind,

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I would fear If if both teams are playing from behind,
I would fear Philadelphia more because they find their way
to win, and they have that kind of a grint
toughness to win. If it's a team that's played from
the front. I think the Niners are the team to
be afraid of the Philly as that a team slide
back in. But I think that when they're up on top,

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when they're on top, the forty nine ers just close field.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I like that because I'm not I don't know for sure,
but go through my memory, I think that I haven't
seen Brock Purdy lead a game winning drive yet to
where you have to make the place you everyone knows
you're gonna throw the football. It's typically been all right, man,
I got options bow.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
My defense holding me down. Just don't lose the Let's
see him win a game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah, absolutely, I like form that fact.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
I like that all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Last one, are we finally seeing that Tom Brady was
more important to the Patriots dynasty than Bill Belichick? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Man, that is a tough one because it's like, how
do you separate one from the other, Because I mean,
they did draft him, Bill Belichick did see something in
him to make the decision to put him in the game.
And I had a buddy of mine that played left.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Guard for them. He was my left guard in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
And they ended up going to the Patriots, and he
said it was the first day that tom Brady came
into the huddle and practiced. He said, hey, we're going
to the super Bowl, and everybody laughed at him, like
not that they weren't believing that they can get the
super Bowl, it's just like, who is this dude telling
this We're going.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
To go to the super Bowl? Huh?

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
But for whatever, it was something about the way he
did it. Everybody jumped on board with him, and he's
just and then he was that dude from that point on.
So but you have to give whoever Bill Belichick, whoever
the quarterback coach was down in department whatever, they drafted
him and then had the guts to give him a
chance to go out there and play. So I was

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still kind of the players still have to play. So
I will still give a little bit more leaning to
to tom Brady over Belichick.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
But it's at discounting.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
It's all about the players. It's all about the players.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You can have the perfect scheme offensively to a defense,
if you don't have the guys to execute it, you're done.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
And same thing defensively.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
You could say, look, if we do this, we're gonna
lock down with this offense. Once to do if you
don't have that Jimmy's and Joe's to make it happen,
then it's not gonna happen. But this is football, right,
The history is always a great coach is connected to
a great quarterback. So I say all that to contradict
everything I just said to say, Hey, hand in hand,

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this is mesh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
When I call my office, mesh, mesh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Con my fingers are two jacks. Have to do all that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
But but no, you know, at the end of the day,
you like when you're a coach, high school coach and
you're having to deal with parents. You know, coaches coach,
players play parents, you know, parent and cheer. But in
this situation, the player had to go do that, had
to go do it, and he did it at such
a level that, yes, the coaching, in the environment and

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everything was set up for him to succeed. But then
he had to go succeed, and he did that, and
so I would lean more towards the player.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Than the coach.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Then he left and did it again. Yes, and that
coach has not been able to do it again. Randy,
you need a quarterback to win. Mac Jones is not
then Mic Jones is not that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
All right, we got one more segment when we come back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Thank you everybody for hanging out with us today here
on Hawks Live.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Will give you our final thoughts. That's coming up next.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Last segment of Hawks Live. It's been great, man, you
guys are awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
I really appreciate you guys coming out showing love doing
what you do.

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
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Collection Dining. Just so many great restaurantstitutes from today. We
had our pre show meal at Hopaness side.

Speaker 8 (01:13:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I had the amazing headless Horsemen, sushi rolls. I love
some sushi, Big Ray all right, holiday thing cocktails, Chicken
taraok and Strip Gyosa and so much more. We sat there.
You guys were there first. Then I rolled up and
you guys were You guys.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Were digging in. I'm like, all right, I gotta catch up. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Well, they had these stuffed openios with some salmon and
some other things, and it was really good. I didn't
know what it was going to be like. I haven't
had that combination of things together before. But I had that,
and I had also the ginger chicken. Okay, it's really good.

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So I also had some steak, some chicken. You know,
say they're a little bit of everything, a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Little bit of got chick at steak, all that good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Nice sushi bar, you can sider that in great food.
Can't say I'm the biggest sushi fan, but it was delicious.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
It was good. It was good, all right. Final segment,
final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
I look at this football team in the Seattle Seahawks,
and I go, Okay, a couple of weeks ago, you
go to the East Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
I'm from Cali.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
You're from the east kind of low key, yes, all right,
but you've been out here a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Yes, so you're pretty much West coast too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
So we go to the East Coast and we get
it done against eighteen that we were still trying to
figure out at.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
The time, like who are these guys? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
They play well, they don't play well, and we end
up getting eleven sacks and holding these guys to not
a lot of yards offensively. The next week they go
out and they lose again. Ignore what we just saw,
or do we take that and build off of it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
No, I don't think you ignore it because it was
a game that you should have won the way you
want it. Now, if they had gone in and struggled
and we had to do the whole Pete Carroll, we
got to win it in the fourth quarter thing and
we squeaked out a win, then I would be a
little bit concerned. But like I said, the start to

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show it's important for that defense to see and understand
what it feels like when it's working, when it works
exactly the way they have planned it. If you watch
some of the line stunts that they did along the
defensive line, they were more precise, they were hitting the mark,
the targets better. If you look at the pass rush,
the pass rush was closing the edge a little bit better,

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the coverage was a little bit tighter. And so it's
important to understand what that feels like so that when
you're doing it, you kind of know like, Okay, this
is what success feels like. And so and we are
a team that can go and play a team that
we should beat, and we can beat them from the
very we can just pound them right from the very beginning.
And so that was important. The key for the Seahawks.

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Is to keep it all with in perspective. It was
a team that was struggling. It was a team that
you should should beat down like the way you beat
it down, but don't allow it to elevate you to
the point where you start forgetting about the little details.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Man, that's such a tricky game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
You gotta play, yeah, because you have to appreciate what
you did against an NFL team.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Yes, only thirty two of them things. Yep, only fifteen players.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
They paid to play and all that, and they get paid,
they draft high, they draft low, all that good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
But you also got to keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
In reality and say, okay, let's prove it to ourselves
and let's.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Do it again. You got to block for Barry centers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yes, was there a game where you guys ran for
a bunch of yards and then you had to get
back into the locker room and be like, okay, let's
do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Well, I mean blocking for Barry like every game part
of it. You're like, man, I'm glad he was on
our team so we could run for that many yards
because I've missed a lot of blocks. But nah, there
were the run that he the year did he rush
for two thousand and fifty three yards after the first

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two games we had only rushed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
He had only rushed for a combined fifty three yards.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
And so then we had this big the offense coordinator
called myself and Barry and Herman Moore and the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
We all had this big pow wow and like what
should we do? And blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
I'm like, dude, we got the best running back on
the universe. I don't get paid to call the plays,
but if you're asking me, I would run this dude
into a shoes fellow, right, Like, we'd have to have
truckloads of oxygen for him on the sideline. He's our
best player. He had only had like eleven or twelve
carriages in two games. And so then yeah, Barry Sanders
and so then for the next fourteen games, we rushed
for over one hundred yards every game, and he rushed

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for exactly two thousand yards and fourteen games. So each
week we had to go, like, Okay, what did we
do well in that game that we could bring to
this game without like celebrating ourselves too much.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
We still had to go out and block.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
We still, you know, we played in NFC North, it's
a physical, physical division at the time, Green Bay in
Chicago and US and so so, yeah, you have to
the thing I think Pete Carroll does a good job
at and then the leadership on this team does a
good job is they keep it in perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
They don't get too high or they don't get too low.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
And I think if they keep it in perspective, this
is a win that especially the defense can build on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Man, that's crazy that you guys are only feeding him
six to five carries in the first series and then
you figured it out. So I look at this team
and I go, they might have figured something out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
I think they figured out that, Look, we need to
use the tight ends.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
We need to sprinkle in Ken Walker and Zach Charbonay,
and we also need to get the receivers involved. One
element that might be missing is JS And I'm not
in a rush to get him going. I feel like
he's like the best kept sey secret in the NFL
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Yeah, and I think he's gonna have He's gonna hit
his stride at some point in the season, and it's
gonna be he's gonna make some.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Very impactful plays.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
And I also think that even with the running game,
Pete Carrolls had a few weeks ago that the running
game still wasn't where they wanted it to be, because
if you take away a couple of the big runs,
both running backs are still averaging about a little under
four yards to carry, and so if they want to
be consistent in the run game, they have do a
little bit better job with the garden, the centers getting
up to the second level, up to the linebackers, because

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too many of those guys are running free, and so
I think if they clean that stuff up, then you
get more little play action. You can hit some of
those crossing routes and things to to gsn and give
him a chance to catch the ball and run. I
think you were the one who said he's more of
a he's more explosive when he catches the ball on
the run versus catching it at a standstill and trying
to wiggle and make someone miss. So I think they're

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gonna I think they'll find some opportunities for him that way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
That's it for us. Man, we appreciate you guys for
hanging out. I appreciate my guy bick Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
And also special things to Jeff Hobson, Jake Krohan, and
Devin Witherspoon for joining the show. Our board operators Bravery
Robeck and Max Strobell, on sight engineer Brendan Rogers Love
Brendan Production and assistant as Chauncey Sanders. Our executive producer
is Nasa Troby. The Seahawks Free Game Show is live
this Sunday starting at seven am. Until next time. I'm
your host, Michael Bamas with Big Ray Roberts. We'll be

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back next week right here on Hawks Live