Hawks Live With Evan Brown, Jerrick Reed II And More

Michael Bumpus and Paul Moyer break down the upcoming matchup with the Washington Commanders at Lumen Field in Week 10. Today's show: Opponent Preview (12:34), Evan Brown Interview (20:38), Jerrick Reed II interview (30:54), Around the NFL (45:24), Inside the film room (51:28), Talk that talk (1:04:37) and Final Thoughts & Keys to victory (1:19:03).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hawks Live presented by the Dining District at the Bellevue
Collection at Bellevue Squares Center Court, every Thursday from seven
to nine, live on air on Seattle Sports.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
If you're your host Michael Bumpis, that's Paul Moyer.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
You're listening to Hawk Slide, Presented by the Dynastic after
Bellevue Collection.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
The show starts every Thursday.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
At second Ryhann Seattle Sports seven to ten, broadcasting live
from Belgie Squats Center Court. I'm Michael Bumpus with my
guy Paul.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Lawyer aka Paul Boy.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yea.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
How you feeling, man, Well, I'm feeling better.

Speaker 6 (00:34):
You know, Sunday was rough last week, and you know,
sometimes you get your butts kicked and you gotta admit
it and move on. And you know, I think we're
all trying to analyze, you know, what are we right
now as a team. Well, here's what I know. We're
five and three. We're in first place in the NFC West.
We got a very winnable game this week, which it
would still be tough. This is not a This is

(00:54):
actually a pretty good football team Washington not a great team,
but they're good in just about every thing they do.
And last week we ran into a bus saw you know,
you look at Baltimore. Baltimore scored over thirty points three
games in a row, beat Detroit like worse than us,
and so we knew it was going to be a
tough matchup.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
And I just didn't think we matched up well or
we didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:19):
Respond to their physicality after going into that second quarter,
and I guess my final comment is we just got
to play better. It is one of those offensive performances
where you go, what was it?

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah, Gino's got to play better.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
Offensive line, got to play better, wide receivers, got to
do a better job getting open the OC, got to
do a better job of creating things. And it wasn't
one thing, it was just a culmination of it. And
you say, okay, we got to move on.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know what, I feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I feel like you just responded the way every fan
wants to because all I did was ask you, how
are you doing? And then you went in say hey,
I'm this how I'm feeling, This is where we messed up,
this what.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
We gotta do, and this Sylvie get past that.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
So uh yeah, I appreciate the candid response because I
feel like most fans feel like the way that you
just articulated in this moment.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
Okay, well, how am I doing. I'm doing great, Thank
you for asking. My son just flew in with his family,
my new granddaughter who's what three four weeks old?

Speaker 5 (02:18):
So life is good. I got no complaints.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Okay, but I'm also paid to analyze what just happened
with the Seahawks.

Speaker 7 (02:25):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
I feel you, you know, I have a little nervous energy,
but I'm also going like, we're five and three, We're
in first place, we control our own destiny. We got
two games coming up that we ought to get right.
We got to play well, and you know, get a
chance to kind of figure out what we are in
the next two weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, and I think that's important that you point that out.
Good teams are gonna get beat now. Thirty seven to three,
one of the worst losses in Pete Carroll's history as
a head coach of this football team. I've been telling
people all week, I go, look, this is the worst,
one of the worst losses in his uh in his
career over here. We should not expect another one this year.

(03:03):
It'll be fine. The Ravens are some things that complicated
things for the offense and me, I'm looking at the
offense because I'm an offensive guy, go what could they
have done better? I think protections could have been better.
I think the routes could have could have been better.
Decisions by Geno could have been better. But you know what,
sometimes it'd be like that when you look at the defense,
what do you see?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
I think the biggest issue we had last week. Let
me go through their first sixth series. First two series,
we make them punt, play and play well. Then they
have a long drive, and there were some third down
situations we had a chance on just didn't quite make
the place. And there was times we actually had the
perfect call, we were in perfect position, and Lamar Jackson

(03:48):
is really good and he's actually was faster than Jordan
Brooks on one playing, got around the edge and you
know those things. Those things happened. So the first six drives,
I'm looking defensively, we caused two two punts, two fumbles
or two turnovers we caused and we gave up two touchdowns.
It's fourteen points in those six drives. You can live

(04:08):
with that versus a really good team, right, we didn't
answer it, obviously, offensively. But what was the biggest issue
to me awareness. You know, in third down situations, you
know you don't want to be jumping a one.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yard route on third and thirteen.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
We did a couple of those things that we had
scratchers and we just tackled poorly. We did, you know,
a lot of shoulder tackling, and that's what created some
of those long runs. I don't think we actually played
that bad, and I know statistically it looks horrible. You
give up almost three hundred yards rushing, five hundred yards
total offense. They had a sixty yard run, a forty

(04:44):
yard run, and I could decipher those pretty quickly on
that So never as good or as bad.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
I know you guys hate just hearing that, but it's
so true.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
And I'm not going to say five plays completely changed
that game, but those plays made it the score that
it was rather than in a closer game.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Here's what happened as well.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Gino goes thirteen to twenty eight for one to fifty
seven and one interception. The interception, I want to say
everyone was involved in that right. Because Geno checks into
a play, Lockett doesn't get the play.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
He throws the football to where he's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Geno Stone, the league leader when it comes to interceptions,
he does this thing. So I look at this offense
and I go, it was hard to get things going.
And when you look at an offense only who wants
to rush the ball and they only do it fifteen
times for fifty or twenty eight yards, you know that
something is off. And I've talked to people all week.
They're like, b you gotta run the ball. You gotta

(05:40):
run the ball. I go, yeah, run the ball is good.
When you're down seven to zero, it's all right. When
you're down fourteen to zero, down twenty three to three,
you need to score quickly. And I think that's what
the Ravens defense did. They force this offense to play
a game that they didn't necessarily want to play.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
All right, So I'm gonna flip it on you.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
So what was it though?

Speaker 6 (06:02):
I was there one thing last week offensively because it
was not a good performance. You know, we won for
twelve and third down. You know we got behind.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
That.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
To me, the turning point of the game is it's
fourteen to three. We cause a turnover. At worst, you're
thinking it's fourteen to six. Right, Maybe we get to
fourteen to ten and we turned the ball over the
very next play and we fall behind seventeen to three.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
But what did you see do? And lets you start
with the receivers.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Start with receivers. Okay, well, I think you always need
to start in the box. We'll start with the receivers.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Receivers.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
What I saw with the receivers was one miscommunication.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
You got to get on the same page.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Two, you got to win your one on one battles
when it's one on one. This is the worst session
in football to me. You go to football practice and
you go through your individuals. It's a progression, right. Then
you get to your one on ones receivers. Should they're
one on one sessions seventy percent of the time, right,

(07:04):
And then you get into your seven on seventy again
on the team and maker progressions there.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
We were not winning our one on one matchups.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And I don't know if it was lack of effort,
it was understanding what's going on. But I'm looking at
the back end when these guys are in man or
even in zone. And the Ravens did a good job
passing roussoff on zone and locking guys of one on ones.
But I also want to talk about the box, and
I think that the Ravens did a great job of

(07:32):
disguising a lot of what they're doing and confusing that
offensive line. Because there's one example I've used three times
this week. You got three linemen with their hand on
the dirt. On the right side of the line of scrimmage.
You got a one, A one tech, a three tech,
of five tech. Then you have a five tech on
the left side of that line. The guard is uncovered,
so now he's looking towards a linebacker. He's saying, all right,

(07:55):
that's my guy. If he does not blitz or go,
then I'm gonna help my tackled out because the right
side of the line is good to go. The backer stays,
he drops into coverage, he helps out to tackle the
five tech on the other side, wraps all the way around,
and he blitzes and he gets to the quarterback. So
you got to keep a cap off to the Ravens
and say, all right, you dial some things up. It

(08:16):
always starts with the big boys off front, but the
big boys were confused a little bit on the back end.
They weren't getting open, and then you combine geno not
making the best decisions recipe for disaster. So now I'm
gonna ask you on the defensive end, what did you
see again?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I think, you know, sometimes you just get out coached too,
And that's not a negative. I mean, we have really
good coaches, but they get paid to coach and make
plays too. And I thought they did some really cool
things against US. Had just some routes the way they
ran some of their running plays as well, just some mismatches.
And then there's times where I go, oh, we're in
a wrong gap. I mean there was one on a

(08:54):
goal line play and I mean it was just it
was I ran, I don't know twenty times. Dave Wyman
and I kept talking about it and I go, who
is responsible for this? And I didn't know if we
were in the wrong personnel grouping. And I think it
was their second touchdown and they were on maybe the
three or four yard line and they ran the running

(09:16):
back was offset to our left. It was just a
simple dive play and they double teamed. We had Darryl
Taylor inside, they double teamed him and it was kind
of the C gap and Bobby end up hitting the
gap outside.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
Actually exci me. It was the big gap.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Bobby hit the gap outside and I got our digs
who's got to make a play as the free safety
on that?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
And I'm like, that just can't be right.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
I mean, this can't be how we're playing the You
can't give up a gap that's you can't give up
the front side gap that's right in front of you.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
You got to force it to at least go a
little bit wider.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
So I thought they did some really good things against
us from a scheme standpoint. You know, Lamar Jackson is tough.
You know, again, they didn't hurt us in the passing game.
We just again they came up third and two, third
and three, they just kept kept converting on some of
that stuff. And then in the second half it just
got away from us. You know, I just thought we
got really tired. You know, they had had twice as

(10:13):
many minutes per in possession time, and they're a physical
football team. I think they just kind of wore us
out time of possession, thank you.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, third and eight plus there was a third and eight, ten, eleven, twelve, fifteen,
sixteen and twenty one. That's not advantageous for it office,
but you know what we get to do. Wrap it
all up, come back this week and get ready to go.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
So w'en we come back.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Man, We're gonna dive into the next week's opponent. That's
the Washington Commanders. That's next right here on Hawk's Live.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
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Speaker 3 (11:00):
This is Hortes Live Michael Bumbas with my guy Paul
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Speaker 2 (11:08):
From the bellby Score is in a court. This is
what we do.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
We do, we do do that. Hey, you get your
bucks down here to start. Get ready for Christmas shopping, man.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Get ready, get ready. The way shopping is my nightmare.
I'm not gonna lie, it's my nightmare. I don't I
don't like it. I don't appreciate it. And thankfully my
wife takes care of most of it for me.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
Of course, there's many times where I said, hey, can
you open up your gifts so I.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Can know what I bought you?

Speaker 6 (11:34):
But I it's the one time I don't do the
Amazon thing.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I go I want to. I need to touch it.
I need to.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
It's kind of go to the store, you go to
the bell. Sure, I'm coming to Belwie Square. Matter of fact,
one of our shows. I will definitely be doing some
Christmas shopping.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I don't do that.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
I do and it's kind of like.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Writing a card, write your handwrite it. It's it's the
thought that matters, right, it's not the gift. And besides that,
I already know. I go, there's eight you know, presence
under the tree that I didn't buy for and my kids,
so not me.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I will double click have it delivered. Well, your your
rifle up.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
You're more millennial, right, I'm on that borderline.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's weird where I'm at. I qualify as a millennial,
but I identify with X.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, I'm baby boomer.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
I mean it's like I'm for sure, so you know,
I'm into the technology and all that, but there's still
some things that I'm still a little old school on.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
All right, all right, well you know what, you're not
old school on these stats?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
All right, that's don't lie, so let's talk about it.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Lie.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, they can lie, But at this point of the season,
you still think they're lying, So ask me if these
stats are lying. Okay, all right, So offensively, the Hawks
are twentieth in the league.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Washington is seventeenth in the league.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Defensively this is overall, the Hawks are twenty fifth in
the league.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
The Commanders are twenty eighth in the league.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I always look at weeks six, seven, eight and say, okay,
that's what that team is.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
The only reason why I think it lies is we
had one horrible game last week five hundred yards and
you know that obviously, you know, accentuated the rankings for us,
you know, in the wrong way. And we'd played so
well since week four of the season. Everybody's talking about
we're the number one defense since week four, right, and

(13:27):
then we have one bad game and now we can't
play defense. We're five and two. We just beat Cleveland,
the number one defense in the NFL, and everybody goes, oh, man,
the Seahawks. They're Super Bowl contenders for sure, they got everything,
and now we need to bench Gino and we can't
coach and we're horrible. Why did we trade for Leonard Williams?

(13:48):
And our defense is going nowhere? That's what one week?

Speaker 5 (13:51):
That's this?

Speaker 6 (13:52):
And so you know social media. We've been battling the
twelves a little bit. But it's also what I love
about the twelves. You're so emotional and it's e motion
more than what we really see.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
We're a good football team. We played.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
We didn't play well last week, and it happens like
so sometimes you get your tailskip.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
All right, so let's talk about what you're gonna see
or what we're gonna see this year or this week.
Howell he's a three year starter. He was a three
year starter at North Carolina. While he was there, my
guy threw for ten thousand yards and one hundred and
nine total touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
He can play some football.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
I can now.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
The commander said, look, we might have found our guy
of the future. I heard that quote. I laughed. I
looked at the stats, I looked at the film. I go, Okay,
they might be onto something. I've been saying this for
the last couple of days. I think that Sam Howell
physically will be the bare minimum of the NFL quarterback
in the next five years because he's mobile enough to

(14:51):
get you. He's not a guy who's gonna rush for
close to one thousand yards. He'll probably only rush for
two hundred yards three hundred yards at the max. But
he's mobile to where the linebackers have to account for
where he is at. And now I'm looking at how
they're attacking defenses. They're second in the league when it
comes to yards after the catch. That means that McLaurin, Dotson, Curtis,

(15:14):
all these guys are getting the football and they're getting
loose and they're settling down to who they are. When
I look at Sam Howell, I go, you're better than
what I thought. I'm not looking at film on Sam
Howell week one, two, three, four or five six, But
when it's time for the Hawks to play them, I'm
looking at the film and I go, I understand why
the Commanders might think they found their guy.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
I mean, look, he's six foot one, two hundred and
twenty pounds. He's just an athlete. He's a good athlete.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
He's second on a team in rushing yards where one
hundred and fifty seven yards. You know, you don't think
of him as a certainly not Lamar Jackson, but he
can hurt you with his legs.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
And you know he's got good numbers.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
I mean, he's got fourteen touchdowns, nine interceptions, a little
high there which killed him.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
As he's taken forty four sacks already this year. Forty
four sacks.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
I mean Russell Wilson last year did fifty three for
a whole season. Yeah, and you know, through nine games,
this guy's at forty four and you know, hopefully he's
at fifty four by by the end of Sunday.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
But he's more than capable.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
When they got guys that, I'll tell you what our conversation,
Bump and I conversation during the break was.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
We both said, why, you know, they don't do anything bad.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
They're good at everything they do defensively and offensive offensively.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
They still do anything great.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
You don't go, oh, my gosh, that's the greatest passing
trio of wide receivers and quarterback. Oh, it's the greatest
protection of offensive line and tight ends. But they're good.
They're good in everything they do. And so it's gonna
be a game. I mean, we're gonna have to go
take it away from them to win. And they've had
some good game. I mean they lost to Philly by

(16:53):
six or at seven thirty eight thirty one. They got
beat up pretty good against Buffalo so their losses have been,
you know, against good teams. They had one real bad
loss that was just Chicago forty to twenty.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
But I'm telling you this is a good team. And
here what they do.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
They get rid of you know, Chase Young, who's fantastic,
and they get rid of a sweat as well. So
you think defensively their front four is not going to
be good.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
And what do they do.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
They go into New England and beat New England who
had just come off a win two. So I know,
y'all think it's gonna be an easy game. Not going
to be an easy game. We're not playing great for
any game to be easy. But it's a game that
if we play to our capabilities, we should win the
sing and be six and three.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Howe has two thousand, four hundred and seventy one passing
yards that's number two in the NFL. He has fourteen
touchdowns that's number seven in the NFL. But he also
leads the league with nine interceptions. Like Moriers said, he's
been sacked forty four times. The Seahawks have only allowed
nine second half points in the last four games until

(17:55):
last week. They allowed twenty points against the Ravens looking
at this and we're saying, Okay, you're not as bad
as that game was against the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
You have to understand that.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
But this is a game to where you have to
reestablish yourself and say, look, all right, we got some guys.
We can play some offense, we can play some defense.
You have the commanders in the Rams these next two
games before you get into that four game Gamlet, we're
talking about if you can win these next two, starting
with this weekend, you walk out of here seventy three,
you feel really good about your chances going into that

(18:29):
four game Gonallet.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, let's get to sixth and three Rams.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
We know they always play us tough, and it's gonna
be down in La even though we'll have a home
field advantage because we'll probably have more twelves there than
they will Ram fans.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
But is there a must game? You know, when you're
playing the.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
Ninth game of the season for you, right, we're five
and three, it's our ninth game coming up.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
This is a must win, yeah, for sure for us
to get to the goals that we have set.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
That's to win the NFC West' the NFC West at
five and three with San Francisco. They're gonna get better.
So we've got to make Hay the next two weeks.
And we just got to play better. I think more important,
we just got to play better so we can feel
confident as a team that we're we're the type of
team we thought we were going into the season, and
that the offense was going to be our strength, not

(19:18):
our weakness. And so that's got to flip this week,
and we just got to be playing at all levels
special teams, offense, defense, coaches start making plays again.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Sometimes you got to hit rock bottom to get back
to it. I we're gonna play well this week.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
All right, let's get it. You heard it here, Moyer says,
must win. Do you agree with bottom?

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Now?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
We up started from the bottom. Now we hear Moy.
I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
I just need that in case it doesn't happen. I
don't want to be left on an island.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
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Speaker 2 (20:00):
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Speaker 3 (20:01):
All right, when we come back, we'll talk to the
center of the Seahawks, Evan Brown.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's next right here on Hawk's Live.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
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Speaker 3 (20:19):
You are listening to Hawk's Live of Michael Plomas, Who's
my guy Paul Lawyer every Thursday on the seventeen Seattle
Sports or right here at Bellvie Square Center Cord. Now
we are talking to Evan Brown, the center for the
Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Evan, how you doing, man?

Speaker 8 (20:34):
Hey, I'm doing it. Y'all done?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Hey, We're well? We are well, man, I am.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I've done my research on you, Evan. As soon as
you got signed, I go, all right, let me see
what my guy is all about.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Versatile lineman. You played the center spot, you played the
guard spot.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I would assume that center has to be the toughest position.
I always talked about the quarterbacks, how it's the toughest
position in sports. But I'm I'll put the center right
behind that.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 8 (21:04):
I'd say, from a mental aspect, yeah, it's it's definitely
up there on the charts there for football in that aspect.
But physical aspect, I mean, yeah, it's another position on
the line. You know, we're always fighting our butt off
and just you know, in constant little dog fights down
there for sure.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Well, it's it's more than just physical, it's it's mental
as well, which you got to have obviously, you know,
from protection working with the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Is a center and a quarterback is it similar?

Speaker 6 (21:34):
I don't know if you're a baseball guy, but you
know we follow the Mariners and we think of Cal.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Rawley working with the pitchers.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
Do you spend a lot of time like a catcher
and a pitcher do with the quarterback during.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
The week, Yeah, absolutely, I mean we have we have
our own times where you know, the centers will meet
with the quarterbacks, you know, going over blitz protection early
on in the week, you know, making sure we're on
the same page with all our calls based upon what
a defensive show, you know, exit the line of scrimmage
for our run game, stuff like that. So we're we're
constantly meeting with those guys and just you know, being
on the same same page, making sure our communication is

(22:07):
there and making sure you know, we're just seeing the
same pictures as we see it.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Evan, when you guys are away.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
We watched the games together the pre halftime, in post
game show, myself, Paul Moyer, Brian Walters, and and Ray Roberts,
and we're sitting there were watching the game with Ray Roberts.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
He goes, Man, I hate when defensive players point at
me when I jump off size or I fall start.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
So then we're watching the game and we see the
center for the Ravens do the same thing to the
defense man. What's that like? What's that an interaction like
when one guy is false starting or jumping off size?
How intense is that? It looked crazy when we were
watching it.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
Yeah, no, I think it's uh.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
You see you.

Speaker 8 (22:51):
Emphasize, overemphasize the the you know, whether it's the false
start or the you know, defensive encroachment or whatever they
want to call you. Overemphasize the you know, you tend
to get the call, and you make it kind of
obvious that you know that guy opposite you jumping. So
I think that's all that is, And it looks pretty
pretty funny for the fans.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I'm sure it looks fun. It looks fun.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Well that's all that matters. Having fun. Hey, I'm looking
at you.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
Last year you start twelve games at guard and then
the Seahawks sign you really as a center? Do you
have a preference and which position do you feel you're
at best?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (23:27):
I think you know, if I I always say, if
I were to you know, market myself, I would say,
I'm a center who has the ability to play guard.
I think center is a more natural position for me.
It's it's what I've played, you know, growing up all
throughout you know, elementary, middle, high school, and into into college,
played both center and guard, but predominantly bade center and
then predominantly been a center in the league. I think

(23:49):
I can play guard. Me personally, I prefer left guard
over right guard. So you know I was playing right
guard in uh was that twenty twenty two for Detroit.
But you know, the same thing I always say is,
you know, wherever the team needs me, wherever I feel
like they feel like I can help the team the most,
I'm willing to do.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
So.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Well, you've obviously been a pleasant surprise, and there's been
some uh you know, pro football focus all those things
and where you're ranked right now, and there was it
was a week ago where they said you were the
only center had not given up a sack or a
quarterback hit.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I don't know if you agree with that.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Because you know, those are other people's opinions sometimes with
you know, whether that was a hit or not.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
But how do you feel you've played this year?

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Yeah, I think I've been you know, solid. I think
I've had you know, ups and downs. You know, we've
had obviously a moving offensive line to say the least
with personnel, and it's just all about you know, keeping
that communication up with us. I think you know each
guy who's coming and you know, done their part and
their opportunity, and you know, all the guys are capable.
So you know, I think we're we're still jelling as
an offensive line and definitely, you know, hopefully trending in

(24:54):
the right direction. You know, obviously last week and not
our best performance, but you know, we look back at
the film, you know, see what we did wrong. You know,
some obvious things that we got to correct and you know,
come back next week even better.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Hey, Evan, what's that communication like with an offensive line
that's constantly right?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Having a couple guys in and out.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Are there extra meetings that you call or is it
just extra communication.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Before practice after practice?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
What's it like because as as a fan and an analyst,
we look at the situation and say, this has to
be tough on these guys not having the same five
the majority of the weeks.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
Yeah, I definitely think it is the biggest thing, you know,
among an offensive line is playing together and those reps
together you start to understand and know, you know, what
a guy sees, how he fits a block, how he
he you know, passes off a game. So you know,
the more reps you can get with the guy, the
more you understand what he's going to do. You know,
in certain situations you just kind of build off that.

(25:52):
So when you do have those moving parts, Yeah, it's
definitely an adjustment to it. But you know, everybody's everybody's
capable that's out there, and it's just about you know,
making sure everybody's on the same page. And you know
that can go into you know, some extra meeting time
with guys, just talking to them about how they see this,
how they think they're going to fit that, you know,
on the field, in the practice field, talking about you
know your sits on running pass and how they're seeing

(26:14):
stuff and just you know, constant dialogue about about what
you're seeing, what you're feeling, and you know, turning that
into game performances.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Well, I'm going to take you back to your high
school days and college days. My son and his family
just flew in today from Dallas Fort Worth and you
went to South Lake Carrol, which is in that Fort
Worth area. You know, talk about that because my son
played at Bellevue High School and we played Katie Texas
and look, man, the football in Texas is real. And

(26:44):
South Lake Carol we were watching film because there was
a game this is probably back in two thousand and
nine or ten where South Lake Carol I think it
played Katie and wow it was it was impressive. But
just talk about your your high school experience and how
you end up getting to s.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
Absolutely, Yeah. So I grew up in South Lake for
you know, nearly all my life. The parents moved there
when I was you know, three to six months old.
You ever taken that range, and I grew up there,
love govern minute of it. Played football pretty much all
my life growing up from second grade on. So it
was starting on varsity as a sophomore, had an injury

(27:23):
to my shoulder and had to get surgery there, so
I was out that season. Ended up winning state that season,
so that's always a really fun memory for me. Yeah,
I was a big one there. So I went sixteen
and now that was the you know, always the goal
at South Lake. You see, you know, be playing past Thanksgiving,
which is like the fourth week of the playoffs, So
that was always the goal of our you know, four

(27:43):
out of six weeks of the thing. So then junior
and senior years came and went made it to the
third or fourth round each year they ended up getting
knocked out, and then you know, I was recruited my
senior year and ended up committing to SMU. It was
a good combination of the you know, the ability to
play football high level and get a great academic background

(28:03):
and degree for you know what I want to do,
which was business and finance. So committed there and then
you know, made my way to SMU and was a
four year starter there, played forty seven or forty eight
out of forty nine games, missed one my entire career there,
and then obviously after that undrafted to the Giants and
then the NFL career started.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
We had jssan on last week and he went to
Rockwall High School, and I was telling him about this
new stadium they're building out there, one hundred and fifty
million dollars for a high school stadium.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
We're going to be around twenty some thousand.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
What type of stadium was at South Lake Carrol and
then again South Lake Carry guys is they're a premier
high school football team in Texas and across the country.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
But what were some of the crowds like when you
were growing up?

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean I can't remember ever playing a game
there when both sides of the stadium weren't completely sold out.
You know, it's a town that supports its dragons, and
and yeah, I think our stadium seats, I don't know.
They've expanded it a couple of times since before I played,
and then after now I think its seats pushing twenty
thousand now, I want to say, but but yeah, I know,

(29:13):
it's definitely a great atmosphere to play in. And and
that's that's high school football in Texas. It's it's the
real deal.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Evan.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
We call what you just did a flex, right, You
let us know how great football is in the state
of Texas.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Off from California.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
So we we like to.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Think that California is great, you know what I mean.
But you know what, we'll we'll tip our cap to
Texas Maye.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Before those all those California schools, they're allowed they're allowed
to recruit, and you know, they bring in people from
all over the city for these couple couple big one,
big teams where you know, we we get who lives
inside our city limits and that's it. We're not allowed
to recruit.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Only private schools can recruit.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
Evan, Okay, those are the big games, you know, those
are the big name schools that you hear in the
national headline.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
You know what, you just became one of my favorite
players because I feel like we can have a beer
and talk some stuff back and forth.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
Hey, there you go.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I appreciate that about you, man, and I appreciate how
you've kind of stepped into the leadership role with this
offensive line. We've spoken to many players, man, Olu Anthony Bradford,
and they all defer to you, man. So for you
to come over here and kind of take the lead, man,
we appreciate you, and we appreciate your time and let's
have a beer and talk some Texas CALLI football and

(30:26):
we get a chance.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Man.

Speaker 8 (30:28):
Hey, absolutely, and I appreciate that, all right.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Man, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
All right, give it a one time for Evan Brown.
When we returned, we will go around the NFL. That
is next right here on Hawk's Line.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hawks Live appreciate you by the dining district of the
Bellevue Collection at Bellevue Square Center Court, live on air
on Seattle Sports.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Welcome back to Hawk's Live. Oh, Michael Babas with Paul Moyer.
You know what we did a little audible Omaha, Omaha.
We got Jared Reed joining us right now.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Man, Jerry, how you doing doing good? Man? Doing good?

Speaker 8 (31:04):
Man.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I'm curious to be on this show again.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Hey, we appreciate you. I was so hyped, man.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I know that the score was out of hand or whatnot,
but I saw you get in and fly down hill
and smack a band.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
We were hyped just seeing you make a play.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
We appreciate just the intensity that you play with.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
No for sure, Man, I just think that's just part
of my game that I said when I got here,
just bringing that energy, just bringing that different vibe. To
this team needs and just doing my part, playing my role,
and just helping us team win games.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
You know, when you look at who they've drafted, you know,
talking about you and Witherspoon too. And one thing they
brought is guys who are physical, and I really think
that's one of the big emphasis on that. Has that
always been your game. Look, you're not the biggest guy
in the world, but man, you play.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Back for sure.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
It grew into me once I realized that football is
the sport that I'm going to be playing, that I
have to bring that physicality nature And like you said,
the guy they brought in from me Spoom schaberne Bobo,
we're all physical nature, you know, and I think that's
what we need to want to play this game. But
the identity in the DNA of this team, I mean,
you go all the way back to leading to Boom
and those that you see how physical those guys are.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
The rules have changed, so we can't.

Speaker 9 (32:15):
Be that physical, but we can be as physical as
the rules allow us to be, you know, and I
think that's what we need. And you see how good
our defense is because of that.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I'm glad you bring that up because I feel like
your generation is the first ones to.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Really play with both rules.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, growing up, I'm sure you were taught stick your
face and the tackle like run put the.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Screws into his numbers are the whole.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Nine exactly right.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
So now as you make your climb you get into college,
that changed things a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Against the NFL, you can't touch nobody. What type of
transition has that been like for you?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Just you just got to enhance your skill set.

Speaker 9 (32:50):
You know, you can't just rely on just knocking the
guy out and think you're gonna get away with it.
You gotta like take the time and throughout the off seat,
throughout your training, work on your footwork, work on your technique,
work going getting that in and out of brace without
touching the receiver when it come to covering, and just
you know, just learning the learning the game.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
You know the game is.

Speaker 9 (33:07):
He's going to keep evolving, and the more you can
adapt and get better at that, the long you last
in this league. And I think that's pretty big for
our generation. And some guys figure it out, some guys don't.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Oh, it's and it has changed. You're too young to
remember me. I was safety and back of the night.
My days with the Seahawks was Kenny Easily and Dave
Brown that you didn't well, you didn't.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
They didn't come across the metal.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
And then on top of that, we had sixty three turnovers,
we created thirty seven interceptions.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Which again before the league. But you were in eighth
grade when the Seahawks won the Super Bowl with the
Legion of Boom. Did you really know who the Legion
of Boom was back then?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
I really did? You know?

Speaker 9 (33:48):
Like my position playing dB, how could you not know
Camp Chancellor, Earl Thomas. I gotta put my boy kJ
right in there, Like, how do you not know those guys?
You know, Richard Sherman, those guys laid the foundation for
one to Seattle Seahawk. But just DBS and that physical
nature as a whole, you know, you want to beat
those guys. You looked up to those guys, and those guys'
names still whold way to this day and any team,

(34:09):
any league.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Any category, it still holds way.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
We still talk about it ten years, ten years ago,
you know. So it's just like that's how the impact
they have in this game is very big, and me
being at dB, I looked up to that and as
you said, eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I was panished in to it.

Speaker 9 (34:22):
I didn't know the ins and out to a t,
but you knew when they ran down there and knocked
somebody out, you know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
You know, you cheer for that.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
So us being former ball players, we know, right, tough
game on Sunday, you show up on Monday, you wash
it away, then you get back to work. What's that
process like for you guys? Is it as simple as that?
I would assume it is because we've been in those positions.
When I played for the Hawks, we weren't very good,
so we have to do that.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, So what's that process like for you guys?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
It's just part of the game, man.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
You gotta just take it, live up to it, you know,
and just move on from it. And it is that
simple for some guys, and some guys that's not. You know,
they take it harder. You know, they get frustrated themselves.
They really look in the mirror and try to change things.
And sometimes you need to sometimes you don't. You know
that We're in the National Football League. It's hard to
win in this league. And the game we just played
play against one of the best to top in the

(35:16):
top of the their conference, the top of the NFL
in general, and so you can't really beat yourself up.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
It was a bad loss.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
I'm not going to say to sit here in sugarcoat
that it was a very bad loss and we wasn't
expecting to lose that bad or.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Lose at all.

Speaker 9 (35:28):
But you know, it's just it's a long season. We're
in week ten of a twenty some week season. So
it's no you just got to make learn from your face,
get better, correct yourself, be honest with yourself, and just
carry on with it and hope to win the next
game in the next gaming.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
All the way up to the super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
They always say it's never as good or as bad
as you think it is. So you watch the film
and look, Baltimore's not only are they a really good team,
they're hot.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Yeah, you know, so you got you got the double
whammy there.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
But after you watch.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
The film and you go through all the corrections, and
some of it was tackling, you know what I mean, Look,
we're shoulder tackling, maybe getting tired, Maybe it was some scheme.
I thought they did some really cool things against you
guys as well. But after you look at that you go,
you know, if we played those five or six plays
better and we played them again, we can shut them down.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Do you feel that after watching it?

Speaker 9 (36:16):
I think you said, you hit it on the tee.
You know, there's a lot of mistackles. And they have
coaches in films, just like we have coaches in film.
You know, they realized that when it came to our
run defense, we was very good. And I guess that
when they watched film, they found something that that we
was lacking and they exploited that and we needed that.
And I'm glad that it happened so soon as in
week nine because, like I said earlier, we have a
long season ahead and they just exposed our deficiencies and

(36:39):
now we can just work on those, seal those up
and we won't have that problem again, you know, And
I mean just keep saying it's the National Football Left.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
These guys are good, just like we're good.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
And you know, you just got to keep getting better,
keep evolving, keep correcting mistakes, and just hope that you
at the end you're gonna have a great season.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
One of the things I love about interviewing younger guys
first year, second year in the league is that I
get to watch you guys grow, you know, and you
seem like of all the rookies, you've kind of been
the same this whole time. I want to say, you're
one of the more mature guys when it comes to
where do you get that from?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Is that mom? Is that dad? Family? Like? Where does
this Jared Reed come from?

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Mom?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Brother?

Speaker 9 (37:20):
The environment I grew up in? You know, just learn
to adapt quickly.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
You can't use the saying that all I'm young, I
can make these mistakes.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
I mean you can before how long, you know.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
And then just being brought into the system and this
organization with the best and leadership that we have, it's
kind of hard to just be complacent and be immature
because they're not going to put up with it, you know,
because like I said, we have so many great pieces
and assets on this team right now that it's like,
why not be successful now. Some guys are on their
back end of their career. They will have won two

(37:51):
more years, and they're not trying to wait and just
play around and joke about that.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
This is their livelihood, this is their lives. They have
families to take care of.

Speaker 9 (37:58):
And so for me, coming as a rookie, I feel
like I'm doing them with this service if I'm not
taking this very seriously, and I do.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I still have my fun. I still enjoy it. I
still joke around and play.

Speaker 9 (38:07):
But it's just like at certain times you have to
lock in and do your job, and sometimes you know,
you can joke around and play. And I think for me,
just being around Quandre Jamal E wad Gino and I
just see how they go about things, I just want
to be like them, but add my own flavor to
it as well.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
And so it's just that's just me.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
You know, everybody's journey's different. You know, there's some guys
who are five star recruits in their first round picks.
You were a juco kid junior college. I was a
juco kid down in southern California. There's not a lot
of great Juco I don't want to say teens, but
I want to.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I almost say community.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
It is in California that we've lost it up here
in the state of Washington. Don't even know if there's any.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
More a certain area.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
You you know, again, you're all a branch Mississippi. I
know there's some good jucos there sounder talk about I
graduate from high school.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
I was seventeen. I think you were young too.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
I graduated seventeen as well.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
Talk about that journey. Why did you go to Juco?
How did you end up at New Mexico.

Speaker 9 (39:12):
The reason I went to jew Co is because I
had a good senior I had a good high school career,
but because of my size, schools didn't want to pull
that trigger when it came to like big Division one
SEC schools, And so I was committed to ut Martin
FCSD one double A school, and I was honestly just
I was going to go there and just live out
my career and do what I would did there, a

(39:32):
Juco coach came to me and asked me that I
want to go bigger. I had seen myself playing on
a bigger level. Oh, of course, And so he showed
me a clipboard had twelve names. He said, these two years,
these twelve guys all went to Division one from playing
under me. You come and give me one year, I'll
have you at the next level. And so I went,
did my six months, did my one season. He got
me that Division one offer to New Mexico. I got

(39:54):
my stipend, check, division, one, lifestyle, the whole nine, and
then I just wrote it out. My four years in
New Mexico panned out, you know, got drafted to cis
Seahawks and been going great since then.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Man, how was it in New Mexico? Because you're coming from.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
The south to the Southwest, you know that that had
to be a little bit of change.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
For you right there.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
One hundred percent. I never left Mississippi. I took trips, obviously,
but like living somewhere else, and especially sixteen hours away
in a whole different region of the United States, it
was very different at first, you know, adapting to that,
not being around like my own people, my own culture,
my own music, my own food, and having to adapt
and enjoy new stuff. Learning how to eat enchiladas and

(40:33):
green chili. You know, that was a whole another conversation
and just not even having that soul for anymore.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
But you know, it's just part of the journey.

Speaker 9 (40:42):
Football takes you a lot of places, It opens a
lot of doors, and from Mississippi to New Mexico to
the Pacific Northwest, you know, I just keep going farther
and farther away from home. But I'm just learning to
adapt and enjoy, and just what's.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Your favorite Mexican food? What you like most?

Speaker 9 (40:56):
I love boreal tacos, man, I love them. I got
my little spot back in the mess. I went back
doing a bow week Guessa.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
Man.

Speaker 9 (41:03):
It's a local, local, authentic Mexican spot. They honestly don't
speak English when you walk in. They don't take created
cards as straight cast as one of those places. But
it's like the best tacos you can get though.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
First time I saw you, it was during camp and
you were it was practice and you were playing the
nickel and you're on a wide receiver, and I watched
your footwork and I went, oh, this kid is quick.
I mean, he's got he's got a game on everything.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
But then I saw you.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
You're a snowboarder on top of this, So tell me
just all of your athletic ability.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
What did you do in high school other than football?

Speaker 6 (41:40):
How the heck a man from Mississippi get on a snowboard.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Traveling to New Mexico.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
But in high school I did basketball, track, I was
on a bowling team. Just really just trying to test
all the waters and figure out what I really like
and what am I actually good at and I was
good at all those things, you know, very athletic. You know,
thank you got. But how I ended up on a
snowboard was literally just stepping on my comfort zone.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
I went to New Mexico.

Speaker 9 (42:06):
I made friends with guys who wasn't athlete, so like
my classmates, and so on the weekends, they like to
do cabin trips, going to Purgatory in Colorado, angel Fire,
New Mexico, just taking those trips and just exploring. And
I never experienced that before. I never saw mountains before.
It never slid down a slope before. But you know,
they took me there. You know, it was a rough day.
I fell a lot of times, but as part of

(42:28):
the journey, like I said, you got to enjoy it, man,
and a great experience. And I've just been snowboarding ever since.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Thirty minutes away. You got some snowboard here.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I seen.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
I went to Vancouver before I even knew I was
gonna come here, got drafted here and everything. I took
a trip to Vancouver, same thing, hit the slopes and
I know it's a lot of snowboarding out here.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
I got some friends out here.

Speaker 9 (42:48):
Jade Edward, she played soccer New Mexico and she played
pro with the ol Rain. So she has a cabin.
I don't know if it's North. I think it's North.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (42:57):
She got a cabin somewhere and they do snowboarding lot,
and so it's just I just keep keep that in
my my arsenal, dough. I'd like to do that in
the offseason and free time.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I don't know if it's in your arsenal. Yeah, but
what's that golf game?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Like?

Speaker 9 (43:09):
You know, I can't golf. You know, I can't go.
Give me ten years, ten twelve years. When I'm on
the back end of my career, I'm retiring. You know
how that goes, and I'll learn how I learned eventually.
It suck it.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
If there's any there I can tell you, just pick
up a golf club and swing it.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Just just swinging out.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
I know back in you'll take suck it go, but
you will be good shooting.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
I suck it golf. It's terrible.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Everyone sucks that golf. She's still out there for you.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
I give it. I give it to him. I Tacker
would man.

Speaker 9 (43:37):
If you, if you're listening to this, your sports hard
than football.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
I can say that I can say that. There we go.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Hey, well, Jared Man, we appreciate you taking time.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
On the show.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Give it up one more time for Jeff Reed.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Thank you guys. Appreciate you guys for having me on
the show.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
We're going around the NFL. That's next right here on
Hawks Live.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Talks Live presented by the Dining District at the Bellevue
Collection Bellevue Squares Center Court, every Thursday from seven to nine,
live on air on Seattle Sports No. If you're your host,
Michael Bumpis, Bess.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Paul Moyer, Welcome back to Hawks Live presented by the
Dining Justic got the Bell we Collection.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
The show starts at.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Seven every Thursday right here in Seattle Sports seven Kent
seven ten, broadcasting live from Baby Squares in the Court.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Matt Nelson. I love you, man.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
We just were joined by one of the most humble
rising stars. I feel like in this league, man, this
guy makes a lot of plays on special teams. He
goes down big hits, defensive player. I feel like he's
your type of guy.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Mo.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Yet, well, I think he can do a lot. Yeah
he does.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
You know, back in my day, you had to do
a bunch, you know, you had to be really smart.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
You had to play multiple positions.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
Look, he's also you know, there's Julian Love and there's Digs.
You got Adams, So the room is crowded, and when
you're young, you get to you know, earn your stripes
and learn. But he's a really good football Player's become
a really good special team player. I have no problem

(45:12):
if our nickel went down or one of our safeties
that he comes in and we don't lose a beat.
He's smart, he's tough, great feet, as I mentioned. So yeah,
it was and you know what a great interview. Great
great kid.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
All right, So let's go around the NFL right now.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
One of the stories that intrigues me the most is
Will Levis with the Tennessee Titans. The Titans draft a
quarterback and back to back drafts, right, you have Tannehill,
who's the guy good enough to get you what I
think they were in the conference championship game a couple
of years ago, but not good enough to get you over.
That helped me got Derek Henbry, who's one of the

(45:48):
best running backs in the league. He's on his last leg.
When you look at this quarterback situation over there, with
Levis three touchdowns or maybe oh four touchdowns is first start.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
None his second game? What's going on going on over there?

Speaker 6 (46:02):
And say, well, I mean, look, you they have a team.
I don't know if they're they're not. I don't think
they're a super Bowl contending team. Their defense has struggled
at times too. But you know, when you got a
thirty five year old quarterback in Tannehill.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Who's just he's thirty five.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
He's thirty five years old. Wow, I believe he's thirty five.
I might be off a little bit, but he's been well.
Correct me.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
If I'm way off, I'm gonna be embarrassed. But now, yeah,
he's thirty five. I'm actually looking at NASA's no. So
I was right, And he's just that guy that you
go there's just always something missing. He's always had a
pretty good arm. He's you know, he came out of college.
He was pretty athletic. He could run, but he hadn't
played a lot of quarterback when.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
He came out. You know, you just got to find
the guy that you believe in that can make plays.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
And look, we get down a little bit with Geno
at times too. Right, when things are perfect, Gino's fantastic,
and there's times where you've got to have quarterbacks make plays,
and Gino has all the capability in the world.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
He's got.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
You know, he's mobile, he can make plays on the run,
and I just never saw it from Tannehill. And you know,
now you got this young kid that you know, you
never know what you're gonna get with rookies, and then
you throw them out there and you go, all right,
this is legit.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Something I wanted to get to was the fall of
the Niners, something that the Seahawks have benefited from directly, right.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
But they've been banged up.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Trip Williams is banged up, Deebo has been banged up.
Christian McCaffrey has not been producing the way that we're
used to. Rock Perdy win five games with no turnovers
in niggas like five in the last three, they get
a bye week. I felt like it was perfect timing
for them, just like it was for the Seahawks when
it comes to that that fourth week going into the fifth.

(47:52):
Now they have the Jacksonville Jaguars coming off of a
bye jackson what do you think about the Niners?

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Well, I think we're gonna really know this week because
Jacksonville is at six and two, they're they're playing really
good football. They got a good quarterback, they have good defense.
You know, you got a head coach who's won a
Super Bowl. I mean, there's just a lot of things
that are doing well. My gut is the forty nine
ers get it back right. And the reason why it's

(48:20):
hard for me to understand why they're not playing well defensively.
You know, you've got an unbelievable front four. They just
brought on Chase Young, who he didn't play last week
because they had a bye week, so now he got
two weeks to get into their system. So you got
two guys coming off the edge. You got tackles who
are both really good and tough, and actually they're deep,

(48:40):
they're three deep there. I think you have arguably the
one of the best linebacker duos in the league. You
know there's secondaries good, but to me, the big one
is just Brock Purdy hasn't his arm strength hasn't come back,
not that he.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Has a strong arm anyways.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
Right, and now people are saying, Okay, we're going to
force you to do things you don't want to do,
and we're going to start protecting the middle of the field.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
And he's really outside the numbers.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
And particularly he doesn't want to. He's a great timing quarterback.
In other words, if he feels like he's got the
proper coverage and he's got the right position with his
wide receiver on the dB, he's a really good timing quarterback.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
But he puts air on the ball, and if you've.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
Got good athletes with speed and get a good break
on him, you're going to get some interceptions on him.
And that's where he's really struggled over the last three
really the last two weeks.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
But I got a.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
Feeling, you know, he's coming off you know, arm surgery
in the offseason. I just think he needed another week
or two to get stronger there. But if they falter
against Jacksonville, then I've seen enough.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
That's four games in a row.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
I've seen enough in that there's a recipe on how
to beat them. It doesn't mean in three weeks when
we play them on Thursday night and Thanksgiving, that's going
to be an easy game. But I'm hoping they lose.
I'm hoping we win. We got a one game lead.
We play the Rams, we went again and we got
a one game lead when we play them on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I'm with you, you, I'm witching.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Come join us here at Hawks Live at Bellvy Square
Center Court, where we have a chance to win gift
cards from the Dining District at the Belvy Collection. Tonight
they're getting away gift cards to Earls Kitchen and Bar
in Cyprus Lounge and Wine Bar at the weston Bellvy.
When we returned, it's time for us to go inside
the film when we'll break some plays down. We're talking
about boy off a Geno Smith big play to DK

(50:36):
and keithon Mitchell's forty yard touchdown.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
That is next right here on Hawk's Live.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Hawks Live. I'm presented by the Dining District at the
Bellevue Collection at Bellevue Square Center Court, live on air
on Seattle Sports.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Welcome back to Hawks Live but Michael Bombas with Paul Moyer.
Every Thursday, we're right here Belvy Square Center, seven pm, Seattle.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Favorite day of the week.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
It's what we do. This is what we do.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
We get to eat, we get to talk Seahawk football.
I mean it's not a bad gig.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
We got our family out here, We got Sarah got Renee,
got Mikey over.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
There and my son and his girl, and we got
the Moyers. That was fun.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
Had a nice photo with my newest granddaughter, Tala.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
All right, but now it's time to do what we
love to do. We love watching film. Once you're done playing,
he likes a critique and that's what we do when
it comes to watching film. So this first play we're
gonna watch from last week. Boy A mafe with a
strip sack on Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Second down and four.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
He'll now comes out of the backfield lines, will fly
to the right side, a slot to the far side.
Jackson steps up. All the stripped away. It's on the ground.
But seehawks are diving. Did they get there or not?
Let's see Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Having the ball.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
I think it's Mafay at the bottom of the pile.
As Lamar Jackson rared back to throw, his arm was grabbed.
The ball came out and boy A Mafey, who had
to try to chase down Lamar Jackson. All play or
two or go this time grabs the fumble, returns the
favor and now the Seahawks have the ball in terrific
field position.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
All right, my defensive specialists.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
What you see, man, this is easy. Well. First of all, BOYE.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
Mafey is going up against their left tackle, Ronnie Stanley.
And Ronnie it was a first round his six pick
in the draft back in twenty sixteen. I mean, he
is a legit left tackle and we got boy A
Mafey playing on our right side. This doesn't get any
better the way he uses his hands. And I wish

(52:48):
I could you could all see it, But as soon
as Stanley puts his hands up, you get boy Mafey
uses both his hands and just slaps his hands back inside.
And so much is It's not necessarily always the speed rush.
It's not that you're always trying to get around the tackle.
What you're trying to do is get around You're trying
to get your around the edge, and you got to

(53:10):
get their hands down and get your shoulder, you know,
kind of parallel to the to the line of scrimmage
at some point. This is such a good rush. I mean,
this is Pro Bowl type of stuff. What we have
with boy A Mafey is the real deal. He he
has a chance to be one of the best outside
linebacking rushers in Seahawk history. He has that kind of

(53:32):
ability and his maturity on this. As a matter of fact,
you know you got Derek Hall who's on the other side.
You know, they're the the maturity and the rush and technique.
Mafey's light year is still ahead of him. Derek Hall
is gonna be a great one too for us. But
boy a Mafey where he is in his second year. Man,
this is good.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Stuff man's and he has.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
The wherewithal as he gets around. Not only does he
he could have sacked him. He knocks the ball out
of Lamar Jackson's hands. Oh and he recovers the ball too.
It's a pretty good play.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
A little bit of everything.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yes, there's a reason why wide receivers and edge rushers
talk because there's some similarities on what they're trying to do.
Right and me being a wide receiver and I'm one
on one with a DV or a safety.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
He does a lot of the things that we try
to do.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
If you look right, he takes he has his right
foot forward, left with his to ground.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
The second time is left with his the ground.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
He shifts his weight inside just enough to make that
tackle believe he's going that way, and that little hesitation
allows the weak hands and for him to slap his
hands down and boom, get around the outside. So when
I watch edge rushers, it gets me excited because I
look at guys a boy in maf here, and I go,
he understands how to get a defender slightly off balanced,

(54:58):
because as a receiver, that's all all we're trying to do.
I'm trying to get you to the second guess yourself
for a split second, and that's going to give me
the advantage.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I think that's exactly what happens. But what he has
on us is that now you've got to get physical.
Now you've got to bend the corner.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Now you've got to get to that get to that
quarterback and I get too far upfield and make a play.
It's beautiful when I see an edge rusher do what
boy Mafey does.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Yeah, I didn't see the first part you talked about
where he's stuck him. He's stuck inside and what ended
up happening with the tackle at that point he got
over extended. Now so he you knows, from a golfing standpoint,
I guess I would say, you know, he's he's too
far out in the front. Now he's just got bad balance,

(55:43):
and Mafe recognize that and work the hands. There's a
lot of good things that's going on with that front.
Four him Eviic Leonard Williams has a really good rush,
Jaron Reid, who's double team, you know, the pockets collapsing
on as well. So there really wasn't anywhere for Lamar
to step upright which Mafe and you mentioned another word, bend.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
You've got to be able to bend in.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
And really get low and get your shoulders, you know,
parallel to that line of screama she can all of
a sudden make that you know.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Quick turn.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
I'm telling you, man, this boy in Mafe, Yeah, man,
how many sacks you got yet?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Six? Now?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Six six in six consecutive week six man tis a
franchise record.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
In his quickness.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
I mean, I thought he was pretty good coming out
of college at of Minnesota. Had no idea he was
going to turn out to be this good. So really
good stuff all this.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Next play, Geno Smith finds dk Metcals for a fifty
yard bomb play fake.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
Gino wants to throw, steps up in the pocket, looks
fires down the middle, ball is caught mattap across the
forty down to the thirty down, the twenty steps out
of bounds on a beautiful crossing or out that time.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Gino had lots of time.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
He waited for DK to come across the middle.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
He did.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
They're actually gonna say he stepped out of hounce back
by the twenty five yard line, a fifty yard pass
and run from Geno on the perfect throw to Metcalf
on the crossing route.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
This right here, Moyer, is just what you needed at
that point. Right you have three receivers to the right
of Geno. You got a tight end to attach the
line of skimming to the left, and these guys are in.
It looks like they cover three, maybe dependent on what's
going on on the backside. But what I like is

(57:37):
just the spacing. As a receiver, I don't like a
lot of guys in my area, Moyer. I like spacing.
I like to know this guy's taking that guy a vertical,
this guy's taking a safety that way, and that's exactly
what happens. DK's at the number one receiver spot, Tyler
Locke is at number two. You have a tight end
at the number three spot. The number three tight end

(57:57):
goes Look, I'm gonna run like a deep crossman be
even a post.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I'm gonna take that linebacker that's running with me.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
And then the eyes of that backside defender of what's
gonna happen with Tyler Lockett. He's number two inside a
DK and the tight end, I'm gonna run that corner.
I'm gonna occupy that cornerback over there. And then DK
has the dig going underneath all of that, So Gino
Smith is banking going everybody occupying receivers and then DK

(58:26):
being able to go across underneath, and then, like you
pointed out from the break, the timing of the throw,
this probably was most impressive.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Well, I think this shows the potential.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
This is what we saw last year, and then we
see it at times this year as well. When Gino
has time, and he has pretty good time, they actually
they widen the pocket for him so we can actually
step up and make this throw. So very long developing throw.
Matter of fact, the ball is a twenty three yard
throw downfield. It's a long throw for a dig route or.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
A deep end.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
I think they're playing kind of a Tampa too. And
the reason why I say that is the number three
the linebackers running with the number three receiver hard down
the middle, and again it's hard to tell me. It
could be a soft quarters up top.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
I don't know. It's some form of two or quarters
to an extent.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
But if you give them time and DK, you know,
is allowed to run these deep routes, you know you
can get some big plays. But I'll tell you what.
This throw is so good. The degree of difficulty on
this throw is is a ten plus because he throws
the ball before DK actually flashes open, and DK's run

(59:36):
and puts his hands out, and I mean, it couldn't
have hit him any better in the hands. And then
DK does what he does and takes it another twenty
seven yards up field. You know, I would have like
to see him maybe got a few more yards on
this one. You know, this is the chance we finally
we were down fourteen. Nothing at the time got us
to you know, it'd been nice if we got to
got to fourteen to seven.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
But you know we end up getting a field goal
on this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
So but again, great play, great protection, great throw, great route.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
You know, it's the abilities there. We just need more
of it, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
This next play keeping Mitchell forty yard touchdown second down
and five.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Mitchell with the handoff again and he's off to the
races and he is gone. Are they gonna catch him?
Bill in tanto touchdown? Baltimore ravens, and that's a Seahawks
defense that has just been up against it all game long.
And finally they break and keeping Mitchell races to the
end zone from forty yards out and Baltimore is blowing

(01:00:34):
this thing open now thirty five to three.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Well, first of all, it's holding.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
This place should absolutely be called back because they just
I won't even say the word, but Draymont Jones, I mean,
he's got him by the jersey. He darned near picks
him up and throws him on the ground. And it's
at the point of attack. This is a hole, it's
a whole. It's a hold. Throw the flag and with

(01:01:03):
that it's a really good run. It's a really tough
spot for Jamal Adams because of the way this breaks
out and wide. And I think what Steve said to you,
I mean, I just think we were gassed. But if
they don't allow the egregious holding on this play, there's
not a play on this thing. And so sometimes it happens,

(01:01:24):
you know, refs don't help you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yep, I agree one hundred percent. There's some holding there.
I feel like, guys, we're in the right position. A
linebacker could have scraped down the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
A bit to hold.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
And thankfully we don't have to look at this film
no more after today. All right, all right, So when
we're returned, it's time to talk that talk.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Mayer and I will square up and be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Like, look, man, let's see what leaters, Let's see what
happened here. Also, let me let you guys know, make
sure you go out to bil v collection niney di.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Actually, so many great restaurants choose from today.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
We had our pre show meal at one of our
favorite places, Earl's Kitchen and Bar Man. I had a sliders,
You had a crab cake. My guy had the wings.
Over there, they got a great holiday set mingus featuring
dishes and cocktails like the Holiday Magaria and the Sangria,
amazing happy hour foods starting at four dollarsand drinks at five.

(01:02:15):
Gift cars for holiday shop and all that. You guys
go check out Earls. When we come back, we'll talk
to that taught that's next right here on Hawks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Lot, It's time to talk that talk with Michael Bumpas
and Paul Moyer on Hawks Live.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Welcome back to Hawks Live. Oh, Michael Obamas with Paul Morial.
We got our soldiers left.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I'm flexer right now. We had a stream.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
You guys will see me looking like I way two
twenty five, but I'm abut ninety five?

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Are you buck?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
You know you lift in, you're working out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I do something, okay, you know I do old man workouts.
Now it's like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Flexibility, flex do some push up, some rotational, waited squad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
You know what's messed up is my workouts catered to
my golf game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Now that's how you know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
That's where I am doing a lot of back at stretching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Rotation, rotation, rotational.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
I'm the same way I do.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
I do these yoga things every morning, night, stretch, and
it's all about making sure my back is good to go.
The weather is supposed to be so bad Saturday in
bum but we've got a tea time at Newcastle Saturday.
Yeah yeah, what time? I think nine am and I
could probably shoot one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Five, or you can shoot seventy five.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
You know this game, I'm thinking it's gonna be more
into one twenty range.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Don't do that to yourself. Well, no, I can't see
you shooting one twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
You can break. I mean, I'll shoot a score, but
I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
All right, let's go to talk. That talk, that's the word.
Boy and I.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
We debated a little bit, me and more debating what
never not us?

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
No, we have what would you say we have? But
our relationship, yeah, I mean we can speak the truth.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Sometimes we get it a little sensitive, each of us, right,
sensitive a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
No, not like it's sensitive, Sam, But sometimes we go
it's my man about me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
That's how you know. We love each other right exactly.
So I don't know how to describe it. You guys
describe it for us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, and we'll just talk.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
I think it's a good relationship so personally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
But it is with me too, all right. The first
of one. You want it, you want me to want
me to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
You're the leader, all right, Hey, look at you see,
trying to soften me up before you tell me I'm wrong.
I can't what you're doing right now. I ain't falling
for it. Moy alright, just want me go, Hey, the
beat down the Sea hows tooken Baltimore will be the
turning point in their season?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
No, maybe? So what do you think more?

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Here's why I'm gonna say yes, because I think this
next game, if we, if we just play well, we
get this thing right, and then we got the Rams
and we have a chance to really get it right
before we go on the Gauntlet. If we if this
week we had Philadelphia. And I may not say that,
you know, because I've seen it where you also you

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get beat bad and then you play another really good
team and you you just you lost your confidence and
it takes just an ugly win to flip that. And
I've got a million examples of that. So I'm gonna
say yes. And we played a really good team. Whatever
it was to me, it was I looked at the
film over and over and I go, man, this is
one of thing. I go, coach, got to do a

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better job, got to make better decisions, We've got to
be more physical. It's not as bad as you think
it is. I mean, we need to make a couple
of plays. I just told you about the one forty
yard run that there's two holding pedalties. Reff's got to
do their job too, right. It was just a perfect storm.
We played a hot team. We weren't playing great, but
we came off a really good win win against Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
And maybe we got a little fault sense of.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
Security of we're playing better than we are and now
we got smacked and we said, oh, that's what we
gotta be to be to win the West and be
a super Bowl contended team. So I'm gonna say yes,
and we're gonna right the ship this week.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Okay, I'm gonna say no, it's not the turning point.
And the reason why I'm gonna say no is because
I think one time throughout the season, good teams just
get their bus kit. Yeah, and it just happens that way.
So I don't think it's a turning point. I think
it's an awakening. Like, all right, guys, remember you're playing

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a good division where they're playing the AFC North is
what they're playing. They got Ravens, Baltimore Steelers, who.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Am I missing?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
And the Bengals, right, so you're gonna have to play
a good conference, maybe the best conference in football right now.
So a turning point, No, I would say, like a
smack in the face, wake kill you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Up? Yeah, I'll take that all right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Let me go down to this one. This is a
big game.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
We mentioned earlier that the wash Sinton's a good football team,
not a great football team.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
I got a good quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
I don't know if he's great, but he's good, and
he's mobile, and he's throwing for a lot of yards.
One weaknesses he's given up. They've he's been sacked forty
four times, and we've had a tendency when we play
a team that's had struggled there that we put.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
The hammer down.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
So my question is the Hawks will sack Sam how
at least four times Sunday. And as I mentioned, he's
been sacked forty four times this season.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Forty four times in nine games. Somebody do the math.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
It's over four five missus Rogers says five per game.
I'm just gonna say what the numbers say, and I'm
gonna say, yes, you know what, And Boyer is gonna
get no. I was thinking that, okay, And DT's gonna
get one, Derek Hall is gonna get one, Jay Ree
is gonna get one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
There's your five right there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
I'm gonna go a six because Leonond Williams is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Gonna get one two, okay, all right? And uh.

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
Yeah, I think well, you know, it helps when you
got an the lead. So we need to get to
a good start. We need the offense to execute early.
If we can get these guys into passing situations, you know,
Sam House or rookie. Rookies make mistakes and he can
make some plays. They got some speed at receiver. But yes,
we're gonna get at least four, at least four.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah, all right, I'm with that. Here's the next one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
The Seahawks are running too much eleven personnel and not
enough thirteen. First, you got to tell the people what
that means eleven versus thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Not sure, John's my job. Yeah, you're off, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
So eleven means you got one running back, you got
one tight end. Eleven thirteen personnel means you got one
running back, you got three tight ends. That means everybody
in the tight end room is on the field with
a running back. I'm going to say, no, I'm gonna
say they need more twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
What's the twelve there? Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
And by the way, just so you know on these personnel,
it's got to add up to five.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Right, So what do I mean by that?

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
So eleven personnel means you got one running back, one
tight end, and now I've got three wide receivers. Right,
so I got one, I got one, it's two. What's
left over of the wide receivers, thirteen personnel? I got
one running back, I got three tight ends. That's four,
so I got one wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
I think you need.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Hey, so that's why say go ahead and explained it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
No, I was just I was adding too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
I thought you did a fantastic job. Except the one
person out there. They were scratching their head. I was
trying to help.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
But how many wide receivers? So it's we add up
to five?

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
But they give the first two numbers there and how
many running backs and tight ends, and then you figure
out how many wide receivers from there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
I think we need more twelve personnel. I really do.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Look, this is this is a challenge. Now, this is
tough for Waldron. I think it's tough for Pete. You
just drafted JSN in the first round. We've got three
great wide receivers. I can make a case we got
five great wide receivers. Throw d Eskridge in there. Throw
Bobo in there with the you know, some matchups, particularly
down the red zone. And he's good in the running

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game with his blocking. But now I got three fantastic
tight ends. And will Disley is he only played eleven
plays last week.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
I mean he was our number one tight end at
one point.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
All right, here's my question though, for you. So you
want to see more tight ends.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
I want to tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
So you're okay with less jsin in Bobo, You're fine
with that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Look, I think it's a tough call.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
But I think from a protection standpoint, it's more important
that we protect Gino longer to let some routes develop longer.
And so that's the only reason why I'd like to
see more twelve. I'd like to see some thirteen in
there too, just so we can run the football, you know,
all of a sudden, you can you get a form
of an unbalanced line when you throw three tight ends
out there, and let's play some power football man, let's play.

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But give me Anthony Bradford when he's healthy, and you know,
hopefully we get Abe Lucas back too as well. And
I'm like, throw three tight ends out there. I want
to wear some teams out. I'm not saying a steady diet.
But last week you had ninety percent of snaps went
to Tyler Lockett, eighty seven went I think it was
around eighty seven percent went to DK Metcalf and eighty

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two percent with JSM. I had less than ten percent,
around ten percent with Disley. It's just it's fallen off,
and it may be the right thing depending on matchups.
I just want to see a more balance, and I
get it. It's going to dictate the score too. If
I'll send your behind, you're going to go with three
wide receivers or eleven personnel.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
All right, but early in the game, that's where you
have to see. Early when the zero zero sevens or
whatever the score is scripts where you can do.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
The scripts, the scripts, and then from there you let
the game dictate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Would you script ten or fifteen plays to start your game?

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
Well, I'm a fifteen kind of guy. Actually I do
eighteen because I think I got.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
Eighteen in me. I don't understand why that. Why don't
they script thirty?

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Right? And I know you've told me because I down
a distance and third downs and all that stuff. But
I go if the first twelve to eighteen plays scriptive
works so well.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
I'd script more.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
All right, script more?

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Do I got time for one more? One more?

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
We do?

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
We do?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
All right, let's get it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
I'll go all right, all right, we gotta go quick.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Geno Smith, he's you know, the last three games, he's
had some turnovers. Geno Smith this week will break his
turnover streak this weekend versus the Command.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
No turnovers, no turnovers. You know who's gone? Who Chase,
know who's gone?

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Sweat?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Sweat?

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Yeah, you know who.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
We ain't playing Barton.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Okay, he's not my guy, Bardon, he's on a right,
he's on I I love me some Cody Barton, and
I've got a lot of flag for liking Cody Barton.
But you know what I'm gonna say, this is the week.
You know why, because they're gonna establish the ring game.
We're gonna see more thirteen, We're gonna see more twelve.
We're gonna see tight ends out there, and uh, we'll
be able to establish the run. Get everybody to bite

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and boom, you're over the top. Gina's gonna have a
beautiful picture of space. When he's throwing that football, I'm
with it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:03):
James gonna have three touchdowns, no interceptions, no turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Three touchdowns nor deceptions, don't turnovers.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Gotta have it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Three will be gonna have it most of the year,
for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Well, I think there's a lot of talk amongst each other.
I think the wide receivers, the quarterback, the offensive coordinator,
the head coach. They've had a really good conversation this week.
They're gonna be all beyond the same page. I think
Gino is gonna let this same fly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
All right, let it fly, Shane Walson, let him let
it fly. But I also want to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
See quick game for sure. A lot a lot of times.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
I'm looking at the beef and I'm saying, look, Hitch
with slant throwing out, we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Beget to go.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
I'm gonna save my question for our last segment. I'm
gonna ask you about RPOs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Got you all right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Well, when your return, I will answer a question about
r pos. We'll give you our final thoughts and our
keys of victory. That's next right on Hawk's Lot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Sports Welcome back to Hawks Live Michael Bambas with Paul
Moyer aka Paul Boy.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Yeah yea.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
And before the break, you said, up, I'm gonna save
a question.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Usually when the co host says I'm gonna save a
question for you during the break, Hills, Hey, man, so
I'm gonna ask you. He ain't say nothing to me, folks,
he ain't say nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
So we were talking about something else that we want
to talk about, and it was football, but not enough
time for that. So I came from an area that
we didn't have RPOs, right, I mean run past option,
and today it's it's everywhere. Oh man, it's it's predominant.
I mean, I I one. I'm gonna ask you to
explain a little bit and more part, how much do

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the Seahawks do you think use in? And there were
some opportunities last week and actually even Tony Romo talked
about some plays that you know, maybe Gino didn't see.
All of a sudden, they were showing a blitz and
there was one guy covering two of our guys out
wide and that that should have been just a quick throw.
And then they did it again and we still didn't
do it, and I think they did it again. And

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I don't know if he was one hundred percent accurate,
but I remember him saying that how much is in
the game?

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Is every play an RPO?

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Sixty five to seventy percent of plays should be RPOs.
When you're in that yardage second and five, third and four,
those to me are the RPO yardages.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Or on first down, you do whatever you want to write.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Second down, I feel like you should know what you
want to run according to the distance. As far as
how often do the do the Seahawks run RPOs? I
don't think as often as maybe the Eagles or the
Miami Dolphins. Because the reason why I think that is
because I'll look at a handoff and I'll look at

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the slot receiver. The slot receiver is the key receiver
in these RPOs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Because who you're reading.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
You're reading defensive ends, you're reading outside linebackers, you're reading
safeties as they drop down. Because what you're doing is
you're saying too many numbers in the box, Boom, I'm
going to get it out quickly. Your slot receivers are
the guys who're going to get the ball quickly. So
I think that if there's anything I'm glad you brought
that up because I've felt this way. I think that
if there's anything the Hawks can do better at are
running RPOs because if you have a quarterback and receivers

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who are on the same page, you will always be right.
And even if it's a three or four yard pass,
that's just as good as a three or four yard run.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Okay, So let me ask a follow up question, because
you kind of said we need more running RPOs.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
Can you have a passing run out or look? I
get that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
You know an RPO is you know we have a
running play. So the offensive line they don't know this
is on the quarterback and the receivers, right, and so
they're going to block like a to run.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
And the old days, we had check with me. We
might check the other side.

Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
On a run, or maybe you would audible out of
a run because you see it front, you got you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Got an audible to a pass. Today they don't do that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
They say we're gonna run and if we don't like it,
we've got this quick pass over here, because it's got
to be quick, because if it's not, they're gonna they're
gonna have linemen downfield in that situation. So and again
I'm asking the question, can you have a pass run
r PO or it's just not always be a run.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Pass if if you want to have a pass run,
there has to be a check before the ball is snapped,
all right, because, like you mentioned, you're gonna your offensive
line are gonna get downfield and it's gonna be all bad.
So what you're looking for is you're never gonna have
an RPO that's gonna hit thirty yards through the air.

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It's gonna be a five or six yard game because
what do you have three yards with the offensive lineman
getting downfield before there's a legal men downfield.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
But it's an art.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Yeah, it's tough, tough for defenders. It is really hard.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
You're reading the key, you think it's a run and
elso and the ball is thrown and you're like, wow,
it's not a play action.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Uh, you know, which you have different rules for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
So I mean, because what are the rules? What are
as a defender?

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
As a safety, who would walk down on the box,
you see a tackle, block down, you see a guard pool,
You're thinking runs run all day?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
So I treated as run right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
And play action is different because they fake like it's
it's a run, but they don't really go across the
line of scrimmage. And then receivers are releasing, so usually
a tight ends release and and trying to cross face
a linebacker. But you read the keys, you go, uhha,
I see flow as soon as you got to feel
that release, and then you turn to run. And usually

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play action and bootlegs they're pre designed plays you see film.
You know exactly. You just run to the spot, whereas
an r P O, I don't know what you're doing.
You know it's it's it's a tough, tough game. So
I think we need to do a little bit of
that against uh Aushington this week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I'm with that done. I'm with that something else.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
You need to see anything from the defense that you
feel like this needs to happen for this team to
have success.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
I think it's just simple. I think we just need
to tackle better. That's what got us. We'll cover these
guys we match up well. I think our secondary is
still playing well. Big runs that's usually on the secondary,
just poor angles, poor reads. But if you really were
to put one emphasis last week we shoulder tackled a

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couple times and it costs us some big plays.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
All right, big game this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
It's huge. Every itch has been of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Every weekend is a championship opportunity according to our guy
Pete Carroll. But you get the commanders and the rams
before you get into that gauntlet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
It starts here with this one.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
No easy games.

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
We got to go play well, and you better start
playing well this week and the following week, and then
we get into the gauntlet where we got to really
play well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
All right, Hey, special thanks to Evan Brown Jared Reed
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week right here on Hawks Live.