Hawks Live With Laviska Shenault Jr., Cody White & More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hawks Slive presented by the Dining District of the Bellevue
Collection at Bellevue Squares Center Court, every Thursday from seven
to nine, live on air on Seattle Sports Now. If
you're your hosts Michael Buffis.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
And Paul Moyer, you are listening to Hawk Slide, presented
by the Dyning District at the Bellvy Collection. The show
starts at seven every Thursday right here on Seattle Sports
seven ten, broadcasting live from Bellvy Square Center Court.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
I am Michael Bumpus with.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
My guy Paul Moyer, and we're switching it up this week.
Two weeks in a row man. We are joined by
a Seahawk. Let me tell you about this guy man.
He heils from De Soto, Texas. He helped lead to
Soto High to a six to A Division two state title,
first in school's history. He had forty six receptions eight
hundred and twenty five yards and nine touchdown during his
senior season out of gun He was a hooper before

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transitioned into football, and he never looked bad man. From there,
he takes talents to University Colorado. At Colorado, one hundred
and forty nine career receptions, nineteen hundred and forty three
yards ten touchdowns, added forty two carries, two hundred eighty
yards and seven touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
First Team All Pack twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Drafted by the Jaguars in the second round in the
twenty twenty Drift, and now he's in his fifth season.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Laviska Channa.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thanks yeah, sir, Leaviska man. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I played obviously, me and me and Paul played college
and in the NFL, we all thought we were hoopers. Man,
so you were a hooper. Apparently you were a hooper,
hooper hooper. I was a hooper, hooper hooper. So so
when did you realize? I'll tell you when I realized,
I wasn't like, all right, I need to play football. Well,
my first varsity game, I'm a freshman and I'm playing
against dudes who are going to the league, and they

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dropped thirty on me. I only draw like fifteen, And
I was like, all right, maybe I should focus on football.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
What was your what was your transition?

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:44):
Well, actually, funny story, well not a funny story, but
kind of this all right, So ninth grade, I couldn't
play basketball no more. Because of my the head coach
at the Soto, they didn't allow someone to have long
hair to really you had to have a short hair,
short haircut like this this slint. So at that point
I was like, well, I can't play basketball. And I
went to Finn cut my hair just to play basketball.

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So I started taking football series and I was on
ninth grade B team and I started playing receiver only
because I knew someone from like since I was growing up,
and he was like, bro, I want to throw the
ball to you. I want to throw the ball to you.
So I ended up playing receiver. That's wild and even
even more crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I was a tight end.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
So you were you were, you were big back then
you were you were, you were sticking.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I was.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yeah, you could say that I was like one ninety
one ninety five, like tenth ninth.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I won't want to say.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I don't know how much I was ninth grade, but
I was about two hundred started my junior year.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Was it did you grow up playing flag or that
was your first experience playing football?

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I started playing football when I was ten, ten years old. Yeah,
and I was outside lineback and running back.

Speaker 7 (02:47):
Okay, yeah, which is interesting.

Speaker 8 (02:49):
You're the show though in that Texas you know, I
had a little conversation about that not too far from
each other.

Speaker 7 (02:54):
I mean everything Texas is.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
Big because you know, I mean, the stadiums are huge,
and Alan just built an eighty min million dollars stadium
that holds over twenty thousand and thirty thousand. You were
a hooper, I mean, was football was being pushed to you,
I would assume, though.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Oh yeah, I mean like I like like I started
playing both. I started playing both at the same time
as when I was ten. I mean, I love playing
both of them. But I of course love basketball or football.
And I guess I'm probably saying that because you know,
when you're younger, you probably don't like the contact as much,
so you know, basketball is just more fun, I guess
when you're younger.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
But nowadays, like I that's what I live for.

Speaker 8 (03:32):
Well, it's funny when you came up here and I
shook your hand, like, man, you're pretty big.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:35):
I don't usually have the other than DK. I don't
have a lot of wide receivers. They're not just taller.
But you know, I was like, okay, you you should
have been playing safety.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
I was safety.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I could do it all.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I could do it all honestly, and honestly that was
gonna leave me to my next I guess comment is
you can do it all because as a receiver, I
always feel like the defensive guys have the advantage, right,
if you're not the main receiver on the squad, you
better be able to play some teams. So when you
came out here one, I knew you're gonna be a
good returnable. When I saw you making tackles on Cake
returning stuff, I go, yeah, if this is gone, he

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gonna he gonna be Okay, Man, where where does that
come from? That come from just from paint playing linebacker?
From your upgring, Like, where do you get that passion?
Because you'll make a play and you release this energy
that I just heat off of in the practice balls.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'll be hype watching you do you.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
I just think it go back to, you know, high
school football. I mean, I didn't want to be a
tight end, but I just felt like I had the
mentality of like, I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do,
and I'm gonna do it at one hundred and ten
percent no matter what it is. You know, playing tight
end got me on varsity. You know, I eventually moved
away from playing tight end, but I just feel like, yeah,
just the just the solo high school honestly, just the

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mentality you have to have. And you know, I feel
like I'm a playmaker. It don't matter if the ball
not in my hands, regardless of what's going on.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
I feel like I can, I can make an impact.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
Which the transition have?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Do you?

Speaker 8 (04:58):
Because you look when you took it to the house
share on the kickoff return, I was like, Okay, we knew.

Speaker 7 (05:02):
He had speed, but it showed up big time.

Speaker 8 (05:05):
There was it that they said, Okay, we've got to
get him out in space. He's just got too much speed,
too much athleticism. Is that what transition you from tight
end to wide receiver?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
We never really talked about it. We never really talked
about it. I just I just started playing more receiver.
Like I still did tight end stuff, but I feel
like maybe I just didn't do it as much.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
So now you go from De Soto to Colorado, and
I think there's a there's a moment in Colorado's history
where people don't realize like Colorado has a great history
when it comes to football, and honestly, watching you play
kind of brought me back to Colorado because you know,
it was kind of off the radar for me with
them being in a different conference. To see what they're doing. Now, Man,
are you still connected to the university? You reach out

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to people out there, you've kind of area, you're doing
your own.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Thing, then, yeah, it's a different area.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
I ain't gonna lie like you know, they like to
call us pretty prom because this really is you know,
he's doing something different. Yeah, I don't really. I don't
really talk to too many people there.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I got some. I actually got a teammate that.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
I used to play with there that I grew up with,
same area and everything.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
He coaches there.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
So that's really like probably the most connect I had.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
With with them.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's a different times.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, it's a different town. They'd be Yeah, they different.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yeah, Boulder's cool though.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I met when I.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
Played, and then I was coached with the Seahawks as well,
and I went on some scouting deals were there and
that actually time they had a really good team.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (06:30):
Bill McCartney was your head coach and that was that
nineties run where they won her coach National champions. How
does the guy from Desta because pack twelve at the time,
that's not real Texas area. I think it's you know,
become a little bit more here with Arizona State in
there now.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
But how do you end up at Colorado?

Speaker 6 (06:49):
I wanted to get far from home. I think that
was that was a big, a big.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Big reason in it.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
And we actually we actually took a trip, like eleven
of the teammates my teams from De Soto, we took
a trip all the way to Colorado, twelve hours and
when we got there, it was snowing and like if
if you've ever been to Colorado before or Boulter, especially
when you drive into Bolder, you can literally see the mountains,
the stadium, the the whole campus. It looked like just

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the mountains are on the campus, like it just looks crazy.
And when I first went, it was just like love
it first sight type of thing.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
You put in some miles.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Man, you go from De Soto to Colorado to Florida.
Now you're out here in Washington, Man, you you've seen
a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, I seen what what how would you.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Compare I guess the Florida experience to the Washington experience.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Weather, weather for sure, weather for sure. You know it's
it's it's different, it's different. You can say that I
don't want to say too much, but Florida, I guess say.
I can say Florida more fun. I can say that. Yeah,
it's just more things than do and stuff like that.
That's all I'm gonna say all that.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
Definitely got some son.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
And look here fifth year and as he mentioned, you
know you Texas, Colorado, Florida, North Carolina. Here we were
talking about wide receiver and he was talking to you
know what he thinks is the most important thing as
a wide receiver. You're five years into this, go back
five years, you're coming into the league. What would you
tell yourself now and what do you think is the

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most important thing for you at being a wide receiver?

Speaker 9 (08:28):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (08:30):
What would I tell myself to stand on what I
said before I got here?

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Yeah, you're coming out of college now into the NFL
and you get to go back knowing what you know.
What would you tell yourself? What have you learned?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
I've learned a lot.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Honestly, I would definitely tell myself to just just just
work and act like you're not in the league, because
you can get, you can get you can get comfortable,
you can get complacent, you know all those things. I

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just feel like I would tell myself to keep that
same mindset that you had before you got to the league.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, that'll be the main thing.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
So now I'm gonna bring you to something that's new.
They changed the kickoff return this year. No one knew
what to expect, was it. I remember I listened to
you in an interview. You weren't sure what to expect.
How is it to you?

Speaker 7 (09:30):
Is it better? Is it worse? Has it changed already?

Speaker 8 (09:34):
Just in the nine games you guys have played on
how the kickoff kickofference?

Speaker 6 (09:38):
I mean, I'm gonna say it's better because I have
a kick return to you know, but I think it's
I think it's more opportunities with this new kickoff, kickoff
return and stuff. I think it's I think it's better.
I think it's better. It ain't been too many touchdowns yet,
but I mean, I feel like it's a more possibility

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of touchdown.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
When you get the ball kicked to you and your
five yards in the end zone. Your instincts versus what
they tell you do you? I mean, I'm assuming you
want to always bring it out.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I always want to bring it up.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Is there a hard rule for you guys that?

Speaker 9 (10:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:15):
What is it? It's like three yards five guys.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
I mean it depends on what's going on, to be honest,
like how the game is going. But they want us
on the goal line. If the ball is in the
end zone, we don't take it up unless.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
You you forgot.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Coach, I already got. I already got in trouble.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
We're gonna be on it.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
I already got in trouble with returning to many times.
So yeah, bottles in his zone, taken me unless they
say otherwise.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
So bear with me with this because I was a
returner and I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about a bad place,
but take you to a good place.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So there was a time where you return the ball
and there's a fumble and the other teams recover, right,
And in that moment, I'm sitting there watching, I go, yep,
I've been there.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I'm with you, right, And I think as a returner,
you got.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
To have that mental toughness, like talking to yourself, your
teammates hyping you up. You get another opportunity and you
take that thing to the house man, What was what
was your mentality during that? Do you lean on your
teammates to get you going or do you self talk
like how do you get yourself out of that moment
to where you step up and take that thing to
the house.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
A little bit of everything.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
You know, teammates, they gonna see how I feel my emotions,
so they gonna want to, you know, try to help
with you know, making sure I'm not too hard on
myself and you know, make sure I'm keeping my head
up because you know, no one wants to fumble, and
you know how much a fumble can impact, especially in
a game like that.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
So and then of course.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
A lot of Steff talk like like that's not me,
that's not me, Like I gotta get my git back.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I gotta get my get back.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
And it was even worse because I had to take
a knee on the next one and then I ran
the other one. But and then it made it even,
it made it even more, like gave me more, you know, juice,
or I would say like it just helped me, helped
me stay in the game.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
I guess you could say. The players running.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Down like like I'm not exactly what they were saying,
but they were saying things to me like like making
it seem like I was scared and like things like that.
So that just feeled me even feel me even more.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I bring it up because I think it's it's important,
especially for young athletes to hear, because you're gonna have
some failures in football, like people. People expect from perfection
out of football players, and that's all football is is
kind of getting through these moments and being able to execute.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Uh So, I think it's important.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
That you know young athletes here that all right, you
make a mistake out there, but it's all about the
next opportunity. And that's that's the why I even showed
my kids. I got two sons who play ball, and
I showed them the same situation. I go, look, man
messed up here, but didn't let that phase them, and
he and he got going, do you have brothers and
sisters or are the mom that's tough, like, because I

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would imagine the dynamics of how you've grown up kind
of affected you in that moment and allowed you to
get through as well.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Oh yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
Oh yeah, I got five siblings growing up. Growing up,
that's all we did was compete.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
And and and.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Try to out you know, outwork each other so and
also stay hard on each other. So yeah, the childhood
definitely played a part.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
We got Cody White coming up on the call in
about a half hour an hour coming up.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
What's uh? One?

Speaker 8 (13:26):
He he put on quite a show. We heard last
year slam Duncan when Pete Carroll was here. In all
the groups, they used to have that basketball.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yeah, I heard about that. I heard about that.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
So One, how's that locker room for you guys? You
guys have an interesting dynamic of or just the wide
receiver room. You got DK and you got Tyler who's
you know, I don't know if he's quiet, He's probably
not quiet, but you know he's here. Mature one another
group you you got a dynamic personality and you all
think you can play basketball.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
So what's that? What's that room like? And two? Who
truly is the best batasketball player of that group?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
First off, I think you got a room for the
alphas and you know that's that can be an issue.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Not really, we all cool, it's all fun vibes. I
love this room. It's probably one of my.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Favorite room, favorite receiving rooms I've been part of.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
But who's the best basketball player? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
I haven't seen any one of them play so and
they haven't seen me play, so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
There we go, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Hey, well, Leaviska man, we appreciate you taking time out
of your Thursday and joining us. Man, get up one
more time for Laviska Schamp. All right, whendn't we come back?
We got lots more to do. We give you a
little preview here on the next game that's next.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Right here on Hawk's Line.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
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Speaker 2 (14:50):
You are listening to Hawks Lide presented by the Dining
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
Paul Moyer Center Court.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
We are we are here, coaches right there, Brolex is
right there. We got coffee over there. We're right in
the middle of this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Man.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's a good situation.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
We had a good night to start.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
It was Uh we're at where public that TK.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
It ain't time to pub it yet, not yet.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
We'll get there. We'll get there. But it's time to
talk about this week. It's been an interesting week. You
guys know this right, Uh started off with two linebackers,
Baker and Dotson. They are no longer with this football team. Uh, Baker,
I don't think it's been signed. If I'm wrong, someone
correct me. But Dodson has been picked up by the
Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Things have changed with that linebacker court.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Last year you have Bobby Wagner and Jordan Brooks and uh,
you know, change can be good.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Paul Moyer, So when you saw this move.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Go down, when you're bringing Ernest Jones, Tyrese Knight is
now going to be the other backer, what were your
initial thoughts?

Speaker 7 (15:59):
Well, I was shocked that they let him go.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
I mean, was I shocked that they would have not
played him as much because he played just about every dawn,
kind of like Bobby Wagner didn't. I mean, he never
got off the field. Ernest Jones is legit good. I mean,
he's a real timelinebacker and I'm really excited for him
this year and in the future. I mean, they need
to sign him because he is what they're looking for.

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But Dotson looks he wasn't playing well. He was making
a lot of the same mistakes over and over, and
we we've talked about him and some of them were
head scratchers.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Didn't mean he wasn't a good football player.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
I mean he's a good football player, and he can run,
he can hit, he's a good tackler. But in the
run game, he's just a little undersize. I used the
analogies a little bit like a pinball for those to
remember what a pinball was. You know, he would just
bounce off of linemen and instead of being able to
hold a gap or just even hold the block, he
was easily moved to, you know, two gaps over. So

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I think in a run game, they said, hey, we
got Trice McKnight, who's a little bigger than him, even
though the bios say they're about the same weight. But
he looks bigger, he's stronger, he's probably a little better
in the run. And I think what they'll think in
the passing game is we'll keep Ernest Jones on the
field all the time, and we'll do some packages, probably
put an extra safety down at times, and we have

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good safeties or good tacklers.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
So but I'm still surprised. I mean, you let a
guy go.

Speaker 8 (17:27):
There's depth issues, but I think they just thought, hey,
you know what, it's not working right now.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
He's not in the future. You know it was a
one year contract.

Speaker 8 (17:35):
Let's go ahead and give a young kid a chance
and give him all the experience we can get him.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I was surprised, but I respect it at the same
time because they were not getting what they needed out
of those two backers. And again, Baker's gonna be fine,
Dots is gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Obviously he's with the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
But our respect Snyder and Mike McDonald are saying, look,
mid season, we're gonna make this change.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
We're not gonna waste any time.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
If we're gonna get a certain play out of one
guy on the second level, let's give Tyree's Night the rookie,
that same opportunity and let him develop and growm So
now it's about taking that next step forward. They made
some moves. Both linebackers are gone. You're bringing a defensive
lineman and Harris as well. They've sent a message, I
feel like, indirectly to everyone in the locker room minus

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a few.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Because you get paid enough, they're not going to do nothing.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
But minus a few that if you're not doing your job,
we'll find somebody else to do it.

Speaker 8 (18:24):
Well, I look at this as I try to give
an analogy.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Here what we just got.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
You know, by giving, you know, Robinson Harris a defensive lineman,
you've got, you lose Tyro Dossibay pick up Ernest Jones.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
I look at Ernest Jones as a.

Speaker 8 (18:40):
Guy who's like a first round drop pick, rather than
us picking up three fourth round picks and hope one
of them works. The upgrade at linebacker with Ernest Jones
is huge. I mean, he's that good a football player.
I think our depth in the D line is there.
Abraham Lucas coming back this week. We don't know how
much he's gonna play, but he is act he's part

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of the fifty three man roster. Looks like he will
suit up. Whether he's active and starts, we don't know
that yet. But that has a chance for us coming
out of the buy, for us to get really healthy
on the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
All right, So, because we went so long with Laviska,
because it was a great interview, we had to keep
this segment, nice and short and sweet. But if you
guys come back, we're gonna have another interview on the phone.
We're gonna talk to the guy who probably made the
biggest play of the game against the Los Angeles Rams.
That is Cody White. We're gonna talk to him on

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the phone. So you guys stay tuned. That's coming up
next right here on Hawk's Lot.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
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Speaker 2 (19:49):
This is Hawk's Slide presented by the Dining District got
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Paul Moyer. Now we are joined by Seahawks receiver Cody White. Cody,
how we doing.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
I'm doing great? How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
We're good man, you know we're excited for you. But
we got we got beeflow key, Cody, we got beef. Man,
be well, just a little bit, but we're good now.
But you know, you don't even know we had beef.
You didn't even know that we're good now. But I'll
tell you why, all right, because back in the day
in twenty seventeen, you had three receptions for forty one
yards and two touchdowns against Mike Koops in the Holiday Bowl. Man,

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and you know what, and I remember watching that game
being like, man, Cody White is killing us. And now
we're over here making plays for the squad. So we
good now, Oh Cody, we're good.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
All right, I'm glad. We're good now.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Hey man, you know you, uh, if you followed the
Seahawks through training camp, like Paul and Ie Half, we're
at training camp, we're watching practices go down. We knew
you were an athlete, and there's rumors that you're doing
three sixty dunks on the hoop and all that stuff.
So we knew that you were a playmaker. But it
had to feel good to go out there and just

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let it all out. I know, you guys lost a
football game, but personally, what was that like for you
to make two or three really big plays off the squad?

Speaker 5 (21:14):
You know, just that all your hard work came to fruition,
you know, waiting for your opportunity. Sometimes it can get
a little not as fun, but just making sense you're
staying prepared and me being able to go into the
game and make the plays I did. Obviously wanted to
come out with the win. That's the number one goal,
but I feel like I went out there and I
played hard and did what I could.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
You know, Cody we again he mentioned, we know you're
a good athlete.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Man.

Speaker 8 (21:38):
I'm reading your thing right now. Michigan's Mister Football Award.
Back in your high school days, you know you have
a great career at Michigan State. A lot of guys
come to the NFL don't play a lot of special teams.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
Had you ever blocked a punt before?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
So?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I had never blocked a punt in the game. So
when I was at Michigan State my fresh year, they
allowed us to block punt and practice, and I had
about eight or nine in training camp before they ended
up making me the returner. So I knew I was
capable of blocking punts. I knew the technique and everything,
but I had never got the opportunity to do it
in a game.

Speaker 8 (22:13):
Back in our day, when they used to have two
and three days, which were allowed in the NFL, we
would spend you know, one period on special teams. And
we would do just that. We would practice blocking punts
and you know.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
They would teach you, hey, you take you actually block
the foot, not the ball. Yeah, how much practice do
you guys do on that and with your four because
you had beautiful form and you took it right off
the foot? Is that what they teach here? And how
much time do that you guys actually get to work
on that?

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, we definitely tease it here during training camp. They
so was exactly how to take it off the foot.
But for for me, I would really just work it
before practice. Try to make sure that I'm holding all
my skills. So once a week I'll try to have
somebody have like a ball with a football stick and
just try to take it off the foot. Work on
my technique that way and all the other special team stuff.
I try to do that before practice.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
So I want to talk more about that play because
it was such a huge moment in the game and
the usually, man, the statistics are when you do block
a punt like that returns to touchdown, the odditive winning
the game are pretty high. Was that something designed for
you or just tell me about that play how it
actually developed?

Speaker 5 (23:23):
So that play I had never repped it in practice before.
It actually wasn't designed for me. A player had ended
up getting hurt, so they ended up teaching it to
me on the sideline and just knowing all my work
before practice was paying off. So when they told me
what to do and how to do it, I knew
my footwork, I knew the step, so when they told
me how to execute it, I just went in there

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and did it.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Hey, Cody, now you know some people might just be
introduced to now here in Seattle, but you've been in
the league, right. You spent a couple of years with Pittsburgh,
and I'm always curious of how things are different between
each organization. How would you describe your time at Pittsburgh
and how would you describe it compared to your time
here in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I would say both organizations are a class organizations. They
are great in the building, coaches are great throughout throughout
all the whole staff, and everything is about winning in
both both spots. So I would say both both spots
that I've been have been a class.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Is Mike Tomlin as intense as he appears through the media.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Oh yeah, whatever you see in the media, that's exactly
how coach.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Did we losen?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yep, I think we lost you, Cody. No, I'm still
oh there we go, there we go? Okay, cool? Cool?
All right?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So now now tell me more about coach McDonald because
he's a younger coach and I kind of envy you
guys because I've never played for a coach who was
that close in age. You know, what, what's it like
playing for McDonald And how does this age help kind
of connect with you guys?

Speaker 5 (24:59):
You know, he definitely he is close to and as
and people normal coaches are. But to be honest, it's
kind of been normal as everything. Like he's just been
coming in for his first year. He's been great with us,
being able to come in in the media rooms with
the team and just bringing everybody together. I think he's
done a great job so far up to this point, Cody.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
When you have a game like he had last week,
because it wasn't just special teams, she also made you know,
obviously a big catch on the sideline there, and you
know we've seen it. We've seen it in preseason. They've
talked about you.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
They like you.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
There's a game like that, and I guess that it's
crowded it's it's tough to get opportunities with DK and
JSM and Tyler. But do you sense that Okay, they go, Okay,
we knew it, he's seen it, shown it in the game.
Do you see this gives you more opportunities moving forward?

Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean, all I can do is when the opportunity
comes my way is take advantage of it. Just keep
putting my right foot in front of the left, and
just whatever opportunity comes my way and be prepared for it.
So I can't stay home and get more opportunities, opportunities
or win. The opportunity is gonna come. I just know
that when it comes, I'll be ready for it.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Hey, you made a big play down the sideline, and
as receivers, when we line up and look at the coverage,
we pretty much know what the chances are, the odds
are that we're gonna get this football. When you made
that played out of the sideline, did you think, all right,
Gino's gonna give me a shot right here or did
you feel like he might go somewhere else. Let me
let me also say that we know better we must
run the route like we're going to get the football

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every time.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
For sure. I learned early in the league. No matter
what route you running or what coverage it is, you
always got to be ready for the football. So when
I saw Gino getting ready to throw it, I thought
he put it right on the money in the spot
where the DD couldn't make a play. I just knew
I how to keep my feet in and ended up
making a catch. And that's how I went, Yeah, well.

Speaker 7 (26:46):
I'm gonna bring you off the field. Now, we've seen
DK on celebrity basketballs.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
You know, throw some windmill dunks down. But there's there's
a story there. Last year, during Pete Carroll's competition Wednesday, Uh,
you participated in the dunk contest went off pretty pretty
pretty good from what we heard.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
All Right, you gotta give it to.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
Me, who who is the best dunker of that group?

Speaker 5 (27:12):
The best dunker? I think I gotta go with myself.
I haven't seen anybody else that can do the crazy
dunks that I can do, but i'd have to I'd
have to see the rest of the team. I'm not
going to put anybody who.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
He said the crazy dunk. Now, we just had Leaviska
here and he was a hooper at the Soto in Texas,
and Paul kind of asked him a similar question, asking
who was the best hooper in the room?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
So are you? Are you just a dunker or are
you a hooper?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
So I say this all the time. I was a
good hooper back in the day. But when you don't
hoop for a while, it kind of starts to fade away.
So I'm not as good as I used to be,
but I know I can still. I can still hoop
a little bit.

Speaker 8 (27:52):
What's your what's your what was your vertical? And coming
out of college and what is it now?

Speaker 5 (27:59):
I think I jumped thirty six, thirty five and a
half and I haven't even I couldn't even tell you
what it is now. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
How was it picking up the playbook? I think I've
seen when I was in the league. Man, I've seen
a lot of guys just not be able to pick
up the playbook and get pushed it aside, and they
can have all the ability in the world.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
How is it for you picking up playbook?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Going from Pittsburgh and now to the Seahoffs will grub
well for.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
Me in my journey. This is my fifth team that
I've been on, so being able to pick up a
playbook has come pretty natural to me, just being that
I've been all over the place a little bit, but
that's never really been an issue. So the playbook is
something where I studied a whole bunch making sure that
I know all the spots and every every aspect of
the offense. So I know I'm pretty locked it in

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that aspect, which.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
The biggest I guess they're not really playbooks anymore. Their
iPad books, right or or or surface surface books, and
then they lock you out if you're cut you know quickly, right, Yeah,
what's the biggest thing? Because you mentioned you've been five teams,
you know, and you know here the Seahawks, you've got
two offensive coordinators within the last year. What's the biggest

(29:11):
thing or the biggest difference from team to team terminology wise.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
I would say every team has different terminology, but normally
the plays there might be a little aspect here, they're
little things that different oc like to do than other ones.
But a lot of teams run the same place. They
just get into different formations and do different things. So
really just learning the burbage and then the rest of
it kind of just comes natural.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Last one before you get you out of here, Cody Man, Well,
how was the bye weekend and what you get into?

Speaker 5 (29:43):
It was good. I really just relaxed till got my
body right and getting ready for the Niners this week.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
All right, stayed put Man. I feel you, Cody Man.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
We appreciate you taking time out of your Thursday.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Go luck this weekend and against the Niners. Man come
home with a win.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Appreciate you guys.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
All right, Wide receiver Cody Ye white Man. We've got
two really good interviews, so you.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Guys could now we're good.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I forgive them. I forgive them. They blew us out.
It was like forty one to seventeen.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
I don't want you angry at one of our rights, and.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I forgive them.

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That's next right here.

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Speaker 2 (30:38):
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The show is at seven every Thursday right here on
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Center Court on Michael Bumpus with my guy Paul Moyer.
Is now time to talk about these forty nine ers.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
They have had their ups and downs, Paul. They lost
three a four earlier in the season, but now they've
won three of their last four. They've turned some things around.
And when we look at them, when we put them,
when it comes just to numbers, right, they're the second
overall offense, their fifth when it comes to running the football,
second when it comes to throw on the rock, seventh
in scoring. Defensively, ninth overall, eighth against the rush, twelfth

(31:16):
against the pass, and seventeenth giving up twenty two point
four points per game. But you and I know that
this team is getting healthy. It's addition and subtraction. Brandon
Aiyuk is no longer active. He tours acl which you
brought back Christian McCaffrey. You also have Ricky pier Saw,
the young rookie who got shot, Paul. He got shot

(31:37):
and this dude is now on the squad and he
is a route runner, and he has had his first
touchdown last week. And Paul, he's not just a receiver,
he is a route runner. These guys have ballers at
every position. Tight end position, you got George Kittle. Offensive line,
you know, you got Shrimp, defensive line, you got Nick linebacker,
you got Fred. They got ballers everywhere. So when you

(31:58):
look at this team, you've watched the film like I have.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
What are you seeing?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
What encourage you encourage him about our chances against these guys?

Speaker 8 (32:06):
Oh boy, you know they're a tough matchup obviously. I
mean we played them a few weeks ago here and
we are.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
In the game.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
I mean we had a chance, we had the ball
down six, could have won it.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
We didn't.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
I think when I watched the forty nine ers, they're
the same, they run the same offense. I mean it's
tough against the run. You know, Brock Perdy is he's
a good quarterback. You give him time. He's really good.
People have found his weakness. They know he's heard it
the other day. He's the middle of the field passer.
He doesn't throw great outside the numbers to us, right,
You know that all sounds good when you're talking about

(32:39):
now you got to go do and execute it right
what they're so good at and where we haven't. And
I don't know if that's just a confidence thing. I
don't know if it's a belief thing. They win games
in the fourth quarter their last two games, they could
have lost, yep. But it's the big moments. We got
a chance to go and win the game. It's four

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and one. You know, we're inside the twenty yard line.
Third and one. We don't get that. We go four
on fourth and one, we don't get that. They go down.
You know, we're playing man to man. He looks in
the backfield and we get beat for a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Game over. Those are big.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
Moments, and I think that is as much a difference
as anything. The forty nine ers have a lot of talent,
don't get me wrong. So do we And I think,
but you ask me, what do I see?

Speaker 7 (33:24):
I go. They just believe.

Speaker 8 (33:25):
They believe they're gonna win even if they don't play well.
I look at our turnover or differential right now, we're
minus six and the turnover battle that's twenty six in
the league.

Speaker 7 (33:36):
They're plus three. They're twelfth.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
Honestly, if you flip those two, we're in first place
in the West. They're in dead last in the West.
I mean, it's that simple. So if we get off
to a good start, bump. I mean, I think we're
going to be competitive. We just got to find a
way to make the big plays in the fourth quarter
and win a game.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You know what's crazy about getting off to a good
start is that I looked at the stats and the
Hawks are only giving up less than a touchdown in
the first quarter. It's the second and third quarters that
are really killing these guys, forcing them.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
To have to come back in the fourth quarter and
do their things.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So getting off to a good start, at least defensively,
has been kind of the mo of this team. But
it's more about getting off to a good start offensively.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I feel like when I.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Look at the Niners on film, they do something that
I want the Seahawks to do. They move the pocket.
I've been begging for the last two or three weeks.
Please move the pocket. Now, what do I mean when
I say they move the pocket? What they do is
they will show run in pass pro so they have
their right guard he'll pull as if you're going to
run the football, You'll do a nice little play action.

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The rest of the line slides to the right, forcing
the defensive line to respond, and it just provides a
little movement and a little more time in passing lands
for brock Purdy. I think that's one of the reasons
why he is so good, is that Shanahan does a
great job designing plays to clear up the picture in
the secondary forum.

Speaker 7 (34:58):
Yes, I agree with that. It's funny.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
I heard you talking about that on your show and
I was like, got me roll out.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
I mean, I don't. I mean, yeah, we can.

Speaker 8 (35:06):
Do some bootlegs and stuff, but is that really Gino's game.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
He's certainly capable.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
But then I heard you talking about it again, I go, no,
it actually makes sense. You don't want to be just
to sit and target the whole time. I'm going to
drop back. This is where I'm going to be in
the middle of the pocket.

Speaker 7 (35:22):
Wouldn't mind seeing him talking about Geno take off a
little bit more.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
I see daylight, just go. It just slows the defense
down a little bit. To sayd all right, he's willing
to run, you know. I'm excited to see if Abe
Lucas plays this week. I think, you know, on your
fourth defensive tackle and your rookie who played Division two football, well,
I think he's gonna be a really good football player

(35:46):
that you know, you go up against Nick Bosa. I
mean that is a tall order because of his aggressiveness
and the one thing about Jirell you know, one of
his weaknesses right now is that bull rush. You know,
that's you know, it takes time to told develop that
type of technique. So see, if Abe Lucas is there,
I'd be a nice little addition to this team.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
And I think it would be really helpful.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I mean Nick Bolsa had what fourteen pressures a quarterback
hit a TfL against the Seahawks last game. When you
look at the stat sheet, it didn't wow you. But
when you watch the film, man, he just jacks the
whole pocket up and stresses out the edges. So I'm
with you, and I think if Abe Lucas does play,
we have to have realistic expectations, right, He's not going
to come in with a cape on and save the

(36:32):
day and everything's going to be fine. Everyone still has
to play together on that offensive line. But it does
give you some kind of hope. Also, who's coming back
or we think he's coming back. There's a possibility is
DK mill?

Speaker 7 (36:43):
Yeah? I forgot about him?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
How does that help this one?

Speaker 7 (36:46):
Oh man?

Speaker 8 (36:47):
I'm actually I'm gonna flip that question to you, all
right because with JSN really taking those routes last week,
which I had not seen him get any of those
routes earlier in the year, I mean he was averaging
eight and awn nine yards per catch, right, I mean
he's more dynamic than that. We gave him intermed, we
gave him possession routes, we gave him, we didn't give

(37:10):
him the explosive routes. Now DK's out and we kind
of said, is he that fast?

Speaker 7 (37:16):
And Almo of a sudden, well, yeah he is.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
He's pulling away from people and he would have had
over close to two hundred and fifty yards if we
didn't have two of those callback as a holding penalties.
One of them I thought was kind of allows a call.
So now I'm gonna ask you what does that do
for us? Do we now have two what we call
big routes twenty plus yard routes, not just DK. What

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does that do for Geno? Does that give him confidence
that he didn't have to just go to DK? What
does that do to our offense?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I mean the first thing it does. It shows on
film and makes the Niners prepare for that. Okay, Jsen
is capable of doing this, so you're gonna play this
team differently.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Whenever you have a guy who could go.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Down the field, push the safeties back and opens up lanes,
and typically used to line up and say words fourteen,
he's the guy that's gonna do that. Now JSN can
do it. But it's a different type of push because
DK is gonna run by you. He will flat up
run by you on faster than you. JSN will out
leverage you, He'll get on your toes, he'll move you
and create just enough separation to where you can toss.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
The football in there.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So I think it really affects the way Grub calls
the game rather than the defenses. I think now Grub
is looking at the situation and saying, I got two
guys who can push the ball down the field. Maybe
that'll I can send two guys deep now and send
Tyler Locker underneath, or maybe get the running back the
ball in the flats are on angle route, so it
stretches the field, and you're a safety.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
You know, when when you stretch the field, you compromise.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
The gap between you and the backers and wherever the
dbs are. So I think it changes the way Grub
might call a play and it allows to have more
threats because I see JSN as just a real threat
forty yardist and end. You know, like, okay, you're he's not.
He's a four or five type of guy. He's not
the guy who's just gonna blatantly run by you. But

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now that he's put it on film, now he's an
inside the twenties type of guy.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Maybe I can beat you deep.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
Well, where I see that opening up is, you know,
you they start playing a shell defense. You know, they're
playing cover two, and we're gonna cheat a little bit over.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
To DK side.

Speaker 8 (39:18):
And before I'm looking at JSN running, Okay, he's gonna
run more dagger type of routes or option routes, and
then we'll let DK go ahead and run the corner
the deep route. Well, now I see, okay, where's a
deep weakness and Cover two and it's down the middle
of the field. And now Gino goes Okay, I've got
DK running corner to go, I got JSN. Now work

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in the middle of the field. Now, I got options, yep.
And I'm confident that Jasn not only will will be there,
but we'll make that play and actually give me some
room too.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
So I'm excited to see what happened.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
I actually think our passing game, now that Grub's seen it,
I think it changes a little bit. I think this
becomes a little bit more we got to protect. Yep,
it becomes a little bit more like what we saw
Washington do last year.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
We also saw JSN take a screen twenty yards was impression.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Something we ain't seen all year.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
We also saw Zach Charbonay take a screen about eighteen
and twenty yards as well, so you might have unlocked
something in this offense.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
So we shall see.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
And I'm excited to see what the bye week has
done as far as self evaluation and the creativity that
that Grubb could have potentially have in this game, watching
the film, seeing JSN do a singing, possibly having DK back,
and maybe getting this run game going with our guy
Abe Lucas back man. So we shall see. Lots of

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things need to happen, though, all right, man, that's enough
of that. When we come back, we will go around
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I'm not a seafool guy. So someone had to had
to sacrifice. But you did have the crispy kalamari.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You did have the filet. You did have the miso
glad and sea bass. That was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
You did have the mushrooms and truffle to glee.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
Is that how you say that?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
That's how I said.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
Okay, by the way, those are noodles. That was really good.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
You did have the free range chicken. Yeah, the mac
and cheese was on point. Didn't get that, you didn't know.

Speaker 8 (43:00):
I went with the baked potato, the mashed potatoes, which
were they were like a fried mashed potato.

Speaker 7 (43:05):
So good.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
They call those Yukon golds.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
Oh man, they were so good.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
But get to my favorite, the desserve board.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
The desserve boy was on point.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
They had They had a chocolate chip cookie I don't know,
hot fudge on top with ice and it was so good.
And then the cheesecake, and then they had like a
black marble cake.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
Oh and the whole thing was so good.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
It was awesome. I don't eat much, but uh so, Yeah,
make sure you guys go to stk Homie Packs Hey
who served as tailor. Hey that Taylor.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Served Taylor to have gift car is only going to
cover three percent of your bill.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
But you know what, you go ahead and go to
STK moment.

Speaker 8 (43:48):
They're a happy hour, starts at two thirty.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Yes, uh, and the prices are are really good.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
I mean I was like, Okay, we're gonna be there
tomorrow at two thirty, so if you want to join,
it's just I was.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I was shown about two twenty five and have like
and just you know, let's get acclimated.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
I can't. I'm doing the show tomorrow with Wyman big.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Time, helping him out big time.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I'm gonna fly at five, so we'll do it next
with you. All right, all right, man, let's go around
the NFL. Some things went down, man. Shane Waldron was fired.
He was fired, Paul, And you know what the messed
up part is is that I felt when he got
that job it was going to be tough for him.
Over there. You got expectations, you got the number one
draft pick, and everyone's gassing the situation up. No number

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one pick has ever been in a situation like this
where he has a running back, he has receivers. It's
all set up for him to have success. And that
just adds to the pressure of calling plays and Shane
Waldron just wasn't able to do it. And also I
think that this is what happens when the team is struggling.
Ibrafus is not going to be there at the end
of this year. He's going to get fired. So to
save his life, to save his job, what he does,

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you got to let go of the man calling plays.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
What did you think of that situation?

Speaker 8 (44:55):
Well, I mean, you know, nowadays, nothing surprise this year
is probably inevitable. Who was the wide receiver who talked
about Allen Ken? Allen said he's too nice, and that's
probably true. Shan Waldron is a really nice guy. And
you know when you have these type a very alpha

(45:16):
male guys, you can't be too nice.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
Not in a leadership role.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
Doesn't mean you got to be mean, but you got
to be stern and what you do, and it's got
to be consistent in corrections. I think that probably happened
a little bit when he was here too. I mean
you saw it. You know, the fundamentals and attention to
details start to fall off. I will say this, I
watched somebody do an analysis of the game or their
game a little bit, and Kleib Williams he had some

(45:44):
nice pockets is a Kleeber club. Caleb, thank you, Caleb Williams.
They I always mess out when so thank you. They
smile when I messing. So Caleb Williams had a nice pocket,
had Keenan Allen on a I believe on a corner
route open. They had another guy on an en route
you know, a little tighter there. He turned them both

(46:04):
down and then it was probably a three and a
half second sack where he finally stepped up into the
pocket and then there was nowhere to go.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
So not all on the play calling.

Speaker 8 (46:15):
A lot of times it's just a rookie lost confidence,
not going where the ball should go at time, taking
a bunch of sacks.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
But it's the way the game is.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
But this head coach, he fired his offensive coordinator last year.
From last year, they're bringing Shane Waldron. He doesn't make
it through ten games, they fire him. So maybe it's
not the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
This is the third consecutive quarterback with the Bears that
will have two offensive coordinators in their first two seasons.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
That doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
So there's a system problem over there. It ain't just
the quarterback, it ain't just offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
It's the head coach. It's the GM, it's the owners.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
The coach over there is jacked up, and we shall
see how this thing unfolds. But what they shouldn't do,
what they're not going to do, it's bench this young man.
I heard talks, you know, I listen to National Radio
and all these guys, and someone suggested maybe sitting Kayla Williams.
That's the worst thing. The development of the quarterback in
the NFL is so you have to let them go

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through this.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
After three years, if.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
You don't see any progress, I feel like, all right,
well then you make a move. But because coaches don't
have the least that they used to have, they feel
like they have to make such decisions so quickly about
you know, these these young quarterbacks and it's the hardest
position in sports. Why do you expect anyone to come
out and just have immediate success?

Speaker 8 (47:34):
I expect because are getting paid big money. And I'm
like Charles Barkley with names. So they should start calling
Khale Williams. Maybe he'll play better.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Let's do it all right, Let's let's shift our attention
to Dallas. Man, there's some things going on in Dallas.
You got Micah Parsons, kind of throwing his quarter, his
head coach under the under the bus.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
He goes, he doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Nearly as hard as Zach Martin, and he tried to
go on his his podcast to say, well, the media
took my words out of context.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I go, no, they didn't know.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
You said that your head coach doesn't work as hard
as one of your teammates. And I think people don't
realize the hours that coaches put in. You were a
coach in the NFL, you hardly see your family through
the regular season. I was a bit confused with how
Parsons thought that the media you and I took that

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out of context.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
Yeah, look, when you become a head coach, you're you're
not in every meeting. You don't see what they did.
I mean, they've got so many other responsibilities. You Look,
you're dealing with the general manager.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
The owner.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
You've got the media you've got to deal with. You're
looking with the scouts at times, depending on their role.
I've seen head coaches not work as hard and the
practice and the game plan, but they'll mistake that for
working hard and not working hard. Look, Mike McCarthy is
going to be gone. I mean, their their expectations. Dak

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Prescott is having season ending surgery, they don't have a
backup court, and maybe Trey Lance turned something around. But
the guy they played last week, that wasn't it. They're
not going to the playoffs. The expectations were this was
the year. You gotta get more than just the playoffs.
So that's that. Riding's on the wall. And look, Jerry Jones.
The one thing that is good about him, there's probably

(49:22):
a lot of good things. I don't know him, but
he doesn't fire coaches. He gives them an opportunity to
make it work, and then.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
Once it doesn't work, he finally fires him. So I
think this would be it for them.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
So now another rumor when it relates to the Cowboys
is that Dion Sanders. They should be looking at Dion
Sanders to be their next head coach, and they so
draft his son, should Doure Sanders. The problem with that
is they just play pay Dak Prescott what he's getting,
sixty million dollars a year. Someone's gonna have to pick
up that contract. I think maybe somebody would pick up

(49:58):
that contract. And the thing that would deter me if
I'm deon Sanders is that, how do I control Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
You don't control Jerry Jones.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
You're gonna have to deal with all that stuff that's
around Jerry. But I also think that Dion is comfortable
operating in chaos because you see what's going on with
the Colorado programming, all the attention that it's getting. Do
you see Dion possibly being the next head coach for
the Dallas Cowboys possibly?

Speaker 8 (50:24):
Well boy hack at a thirty minute conversation there. First
of all, he's he knows Jerry yep, you know he
played under Jerry when you know he was at the Cowboys.
He knows that's the system or the overall system with
the Cowboys.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
Do I think Dion's also guy? So look, if I come.

Speaker 8 (50:43):
Here, don't I don't want to stily think Jerry meddles
that much. And the coaching part of it, he meddles
obviously a lot, because he's the president, general manager.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
He sits in the coaching meeting.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Yeah, but I don't think he meddle. I think he
lets his coaches coach. He keeps him there with Jerry.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
You know, well, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
I think I think he does. I don't think he's
like or God there, Davis, Al Davis, thank you. I
don't think he's that guy that is questioning everything.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
I think.

Speaker 8 (51:14):
I don't think he think he knows more football than
the coach. I think he knows football and how it works,
and he wants to know what's going on. But I
don't think he tells them what to say, how to coach,
what to call.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
I really don't. That doesn't mean he's not a part
of it.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
And I think Dion would be one of those say hey,
this is how I'm going to run it.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Are you good with that?

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Because you know you're not going to be able to
cross the line on that, because he's confident enough with that.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
Do I think he's ready for that role. I don't know.
I really don't.

Speaker 8 (51:43):
Maybe because I think from a leadership standpoint, Dion would
be pretty good in the NFL. He could handle all
those alpha males. Could he get his son in a
draft and no one knows that right? You got to
you got to be to get the first pick in
a draft for that to be guaranteed.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
I know he would love it, but that would be interesting.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
I mean, I wouldn't discount it because I don't know
if Dion will be there next year with his boys
not there.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I think Dion is the perfect coach for Dallas. I
think with all the bright lights, all the glitz and glamor,
all the preseason high Dion would bring an excitement to
the Dallas Cowboys that we haven't felt in a while.
The media is always gonna pub the Dallas Cowboys that
have all the national games. They're like the Nordre Dame
of the NFL. You're gonna see them on TV every

(52:30):
single week on prime time.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
So look what he's done with Colorado. I mean they're
seven and two. I think they're gonna make play. I
think they're gonna run the table.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
They might win the conference title.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
I think they are all right.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Well we shall see. But I need them to lose.
I need Ioway State to lose. I need Kansas State
to lose. I need Miami to lose because my Kog's
gotta get in this thing.

Speaker 8 (52:51):
Man, you know you can get it to But then
Arizona State wins the Big Twelve championship.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Arizona State win no Big Twelve championship.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
Man, First of all, we whoop up on w You
know you wouldn't know, you would not who y'all beat
University of Washington.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Who y'all beat the whole pack Big twelve? No, you haven't.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
I beaten the SEC school. I beat mississipp State. At
the time. It was a good win.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
That counts at the time.

Speaker 7 (53:18):
That count We got BYU. Coming next week.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
All right, all right, Well, there's your loss guarantee.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
You guarantee it.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Let's put some money on it.

Speaker 7 (53:25):
Let's put some money that you don't make it.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
No, Packs, Packs is gonna take it.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
Three and nine last year? Man, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
John?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
You text me at one? I am talking about Jameteer. Man,
you know what I do?

Speaker 7 (53:37):
Like him?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
All right?

Speaker 7 (53:38):
Man?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Coming up next morning. No, he's he's going next year.
We'll go inside the film room. That's next. Why on
Hawks Live.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Hawks Live presented by the Dining District of a Bellevue
Collection at Bellevue Square Center Court, live on air on
Seattle Sports.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Welcome back to Hawk Slide presented by the Dining District
the Bellvy Collection of Michael Bombas with Paul Moyer and
we are at Bellvy Square Center Court every Thursday, seven
o'clock right here on Seattle Spot seven to ten. And
it's now time to go inside the film room. This
is when we h we break down some plays. This

(54:17):
is uh, this is me and Paul's wheelhouse. I think
we have several wheelhouses, but we like this wheelhouse right here.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Paul.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
No, okay, Oh, I thought you were like going to
the cut.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
No.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I was just I was waiting for a.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Looking at me.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Okay, I guess you okay, talk to me.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
I don't want you looking off. And you know, did
Paul hear me? So he didn't answer me.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Now, I was just trying to get the place set up,
you know, I was trying to pull up the play.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Well.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
This first play, we're breaking down.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Reek Wooland picks off Matthew Stafford in the second quarter.

Speaker 9 (54:47):
Wide slot to the far side, the cool wind up
line to the right. Stafford takes his time now look
frozen the coop and downfield.

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Preaching up, accepting make see an exception at the twenty
three east down there he's still running, but the official
say he's down. Now. A late flag comes in as
Woolan leaps up makes the catch. There's a flag back
at the interception spot where Dotson was trying to block

(55:15):
on Nakua. After Reek, Woolan jumps and makes the interception,
his second of this season.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Paul, you're gonna take the lead on this one.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Before you do, I'm just gonna point out how disciplined
Matthew Stafford's eyes are. He these are the little things
that separate the veterans. He he keeps his eyes down
the middle of the field as long as he can
to hold that safety. But then he ends up tossing
one up and Reek Woollen does this thing.

Speaker 8 (55:41):
What do you see a couple things on Enreek though, sorry,
I'm looking at one other thing. Wow, Leonard Williams on
his plate just destroys Stafford.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
I mean, he splits a double team on it.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
And you're right, Stafford looks down the middle of the field,
but he's not looking and knows that this man is covered.
So you've got Woolan who's up and bumping running. And
here's why I like what he does here. He's getting
better at it. And this is a little bit of
Richard Sherman. He's patient. He doesn't jump when a guy
makes a move right away. He stays square and that
takes a lot of confidence because you're.

Speaker 7 (56:16):
Afraid, I mean I don't see afraid.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
You're concerned that if you don't get the jam, you're
trailing so quickly. That's an uncomfortable feeling when you don't
have anybody over the top, because they don't have anybody
over the top. Where we got a five man, I
believe a five man to rush maybe six, and then
we're manned up everywhere else with a single free safety.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
But you've got no help over the top. So he's
up and bump.

Speaker 8 (56:37):
I also don't mind when guys get inside of him
as long as he's on that upfield shoulder. But he's
so long and he's so fast. I like it when
he's sitting outside on the guy's shoulder because he can
see the football like a wide receiver and go up
and make the play. So good job here. I mean,
he could do this all day if he wants to.

(56:58):
I don't want to see once events he's gonna be
able to do this all day. He's gonna get so
good at this technique and bump, and because of his
speed and length, he's just a really hard guy to
go over the top of.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
For all the things that Pukakua does well or has
done well, you do not inside release this avatar. Okay,
you do everything you can to get outside. For what
you just described inside release, you're running a go. He
can feel you and see what the quarterback is doing.
Puka's got to be disciplined. This is one of those

(57:30):
where you force him to push you out of bounds.
You do everything you can to get outside, uh, because
inside release is no good against this guy. And I
think Breek Willing does a great job of just playing
the man and now locating the football and going after it.
He became the receiver, and I think that's key on
that play.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Yeah, I'm really not sure what they saw and why
they called it and why Stafford who did not look
He just he no look this he turned out.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
He just believes. He just thought Puka's gonna win one
on one.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
Yeah, just against wool And that's a that's probably statistically
not a good uh move. You know what this last
one here, you know who looks really good on this play,
Ernest Jones.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
He looks like a.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
Safety and again he's not even a factor in this play.
But it's his backpedal, how he clears his SIPs to
the right and then he re clears to the left
when the guy starts to throw it. It's so fluid
it makes I already I already think he can cover
and plays song. But watching this, I go, wow, he's
really athletic for a run stopper.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Is there a bromance going on right now? I'm kind
of like Itana.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
He hasn't passed Tom Brady yet, but he's got a chance.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
All right, man, This next play, Geno Smith fines Jay.
It's in on fourth in five to late in the
fourth to keep the game alive, Rams look like.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
They want to blitz the basic back off rushed four.

Speaker 10 (58:50):
Getting downfield making a chance. It's JSN. He is hammered
out of bounds, but a perfect throw by Cheeto inside
the twenty yard line.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
I'm telling you, when.

Speaker 10 (59:01):
Gino gets just enough time, he throws a perfect pass
for thirty yards NFC yawk first down.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
There's still a love fourth and five Moyer.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
If he does not catch this football, I wouldn't say
the game is over, but the chances of winning this
ballgame are out.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Geno sees man, he.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Goes, all right, you guys gonna manus up. I'm gonna
go with who I think is the best receiver on
the field right now, and that is JSN. He's to
the left of Geno Smith in the number two position.
That's the slop and it's just a switch route. It's
just a switch route. What you're trying to do is
you're outside releasing from the slot, and because the outside
receiver goes in, you have a lot of real estate

(59:41):
to mess with in Jayson doesn't even create a lot
of separation, but he creates enough.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Jason hands are so good that if you just.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Put on the outside, he's gonna come down with the football.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
This is as simple as it gets.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You're in the slot, outside release, you switch, leave space
on the sideline. Geno Smith drops a dom. I read
a stead today. He eighty percent of his throws are
on target. That's top three in the NFL right now.
This is one of those eighty percents.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Yeah, I mean, what Gino does.

Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
You guys have heard me say it's a bunch with
the protection at times and how it feels, it's it's amazing.
What's amazing about this throw? And I think he described
it well with JSN. He doesn't need a lot of
separation here, and because he takes it just outside the numbers,
so he's got from the numbers all the way to
the sideline to give Geno, you know, area to lay

(01:00:33):
it out for him. This ball is thrown when he's
five yards downfield, so he runs you know what, you
call it a switcher oute, so he runs a little
bit of wide, you know, bends it and by the
time he gets to five yards downfield, the ball's out
for Geno. And then the ball's caught around twenty twenty
two yards downfield, so it's you know again, Gino's a

(01:00:55):
really good quarterback. He just does not give the love
quite that he deserves here. But this just shows you
if you give him a little bit of time. He
didn't have a lot of time here, but a little
bit of time what he's capable of doing. It's a
beautiful throwing and it's a great route, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
This next play, ken Walker is stopped on fourth and
one in overtime, it will also.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Be a quarterback sneak.

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
Nope'm gonna turn, gonna handle Walker, gonna put his shoulder
pass on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
I think he got there.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
He did. He was going left side and he didn't
get there. Wow, oh my goodness.

Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
You have to believe that your guys are gonna get
you a half a yard and now field goal for
the Rams or a field goal by anybody can.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Win this game. Man.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Man, those are the ones that just kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
So this wasn't overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
The Hawks did a great job driving down the football,
getting the ball inside the twenty, and you describe this
had dinner Moyer. Almost every guy just got beat on
this play. And it's hard. When you pack it in
like this, you become predictable. You send Aj Barner on
motion and then you bring him back. Clearly, man, you
have Gabe Brussel in the back that as your full back,

(01:02:03):
you hand the football off, and it just seemed like
everyone got pushed back. And this is an example of
how good this young defensive line for the Rams are.

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I mean there's so many things here that I mean,
I can you know, I can spend thirty minutes all
these coaching points. You know, I mentioned this, ten of
our eleven guys really don't win.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
Actually nine of our eleven don't win.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
One of them. It's kind of a stalemate. I thought
he did his job, but could have done better. And
I even put this one on Gino. I mean, Gino,
to me, you've got to fake this is You've got
to fake some type of play action bootleg. You've got
to hold the linebacker on the back side because no
one's blocking him at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
And there's so many things.

Speaker 8 (01:02:46):
We knock one of our guys off, I mean Charles
Cross's double team and he blocks down to help Tomlinson
on that he kind.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
Of trips just a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
So because of that, he can't get to the linebacker
goes over the top of him. If he gets him.
If one of our guys wins, wins Canine's looking for it.
He sees one on a on a cutback, but also
in the linebacker flashes because we can't get to him
if we if we got to him at all, or
just held him with a fake.

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
He sees that and he picks up a half yard.

Speaker 8 (01:03:17):
If thomasin h he actually wins his but because Cross
kind of stumbles, if he just stalemates his guy, we
win there. If we don't get stalemated with the defensive end,
with our tight end, there's a hole there that allows
our fullback to get up into a gain.

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
There's so many what IFFs on this part of.

Speaker 8 (01:03:34):
It is look, they're they're all in pinched and then
they're slanting, so there's not a lot inside.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
They sold out on this.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
I mean, if we run a naked bootleg he jogs
into the end zone, that's winning.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
In crucial moments, you gotta.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Win that I didn't love, you know, maybe there's a
check with me type of thing on this. Uh, this
one was going to be tough from a number standpoint.
Somebody's gonna have to win, some whip somebody's butt. And
we didn't whoop anybody's bite on that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
One because of this play.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I hope that there are two or three plays off
of this look this week against the forty nine ers,
because you will be in some short yarded situations hopefully.
All right, that was inside the film room. When we
come back, we will talk that talk. Will pick a
couple of topics to go back and forth that and
and lets you know who's right who's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
That's next right here on Hawks Live.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
It's time to talk that talk with Michael Bumpus and
Paul Moyer on Hawks Live.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Welcome back to Hawk Talk of Michael Bumpus with my
guy Paul Moyer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Is now time to talk that talk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
This is when we throw some topics out there and
we figure out who's right and who is wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
So let's get right into it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
The first one, Paul Moyer, my question to you, we'll
Tyreson might be a long term starter for the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Seattle Seahawks is just a yes or no. It's a yes,
but to show your work.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
I don't know yet. And and the reason why I said,
I don't know yet. I'm not sure what positions best
for him. So they released Dotson. Here's what I know,
Ernest Jones. He hasn't met a linebacker who can cover. Uh,
he's good. They're gonna do everything they can to resign him,
and they should because he is an absolute staple in

(01:05:27):
that spot. I just don't know what what Tyrese Knight's
position is is he is, he couldn't have to play
that will linebacker week linebacker. Can he cover well enough?
He doesn't have blazing speed. He has good speed, he
has good instincts. He's a good tackler. I just got
to see what he's what he's best at, and I
haven't seen enough to know. And in college I wasn't

(01:05:50):
sure either because of the competition he played and he
wasn't dominant.

Speaker 7 (01:05:53):
He was a good player. He made plays. You know,
he's around the ball. A bunch. So I don't know.
I here's what I do know.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
They're gonna get him a chance, and we're gonna find
out this year. Yeah, and they're gonna find out do
we have our two linebackers for next year or do
we gotta draft somebody or find somebody as a free agent.
So they're gonna get him every opportunity these next eight games.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
He have the ability. I think he's smart enough and
think he has good instincts.

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
I just got to see it every play and consistent
and see if that transitions to what we're looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
So you took the easy way out.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
I just didn't. I don't know. I mean that question.

Speaker 8 (01:06:29):
It's a hard one for me because I don't have
enough information yet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Okay, well, i'm gonna I'm gonna say yes. You're on
a talk radio everyone, I'm gonna say yes.

Speaker 7 (01:06:39):
I'm like Shane Waldron, I'm just too nice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I'm gonna say I'm gonna say yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Because if they didn't think that he was at least
ready to finish the season off and get an opportunity
to compete for next year, they would have kept Dotson
and said all right, young, So you continue to learn
from this guy. But I think that they saw enough
from him and enough from Dotson for them to be like,
all right, man, let's just go see what we have.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
But your answer is probably the right one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Who knows, because he's only played about one hundred snaps
at that position in the NFL. He's a fourth round
pick out of what you type I believe he went to.
So he's young, and you're gonna have some young mistakes.
He's gonna miss some tackles. He's gonna be confused, he's
gonna misread some things. He's not gonna be assignment friendly
all the time. It's how quickly can he eliminate those mistakes?

(01:07:28):
If he can start eliminating them week by week and
uh and improve, who knows, because I know one thing
about him. When it's time to tackle, I mean, he will.
You know, you're not supposed to tackle like this anymore,
but stick your face in the tackle and do it.
You and I were tackled to lead with our face
masks and all that good stuff. Nowadays it's a bit different,
almost impossible to do at the linebacker spot.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Though.

Speaker 8 (01:07:48):
He has some instincts, so he knows when, especially when
there's uh, it's on I don't want to say uncomfortablets
more for quarterbacks where there's a lot of people around
and feet around, and he knows he's had a kind
of knife through offensive lineman and get in to make
a tackle. So he's got good instincts. Again, we'll just
see how he holds up. I like what I've seen

(01:08:09):
so far, and now that he's had a chance to
sit and watch a little bit, and you got Ernest
Jones air that more traditional linebacker.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I'm hopeful, all right, what we got?

Speaker 7 (01:08:17):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:08:18):
Next one has been's kind of long winded, and we'll
see where what direction this goes. But you know, Gino
Smith takes some heat, you know, a year, and I
don't think people appreciate how good he is here, particularly
with some of the breakdowns and protection. Rock Purty has
you know, mixed reviews, especially this year. He's got seven
interceptions offense taking a little bit step back.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
So I'm gonna throw this at you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
If the forty nine ers had Geno Smith, would they
be a better football team? On the flip side, if
Rock Party was on the Seahawks would.

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
Be would we be in worse shape? Okay, So if
you could flip that would we be better if.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Rock Party was here, this team would not be better.
I think is there's a lot more things that he
needs to fight through, and I think that rock Purdy
hasn't really been challenged the way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
That Gino has been challenged.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Gino has been drafted to a horrible organization in the Jets,
He's been kicked to the curve, told he's not good enough,
and he has this callus on him that I think
allows him to bounce back from games where he throws
three interceptions. I think if Rock Purdy were over here,
he'd be a backup real quick because he's in a
perfect situation. You got a good offensive line, good running backs,

(01:09:33):
good tied end, good receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I mean, it's perfect for him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
If Gino were with the Niners, the Niners are a
better football team.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
I truly believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I think that Gino is a better quarterback than Brock Purdy.
I think that Brock Purdy has had the advantage of
being brought into a great situation. He's had a head
start in his football career, whereas Geno's trying to catch up,
and unfortunately he's playing in a situation to where he
has to do the most for this team.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
To have success. The Niners are better with Gino Smith,
for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
And that's an interesting one because I think last year
that question, I would say, I agree, I really do,
because their protection was better the forty nine ers. Our
protection actually breaks down quite a bit. And Purty beat
us with his legs last game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
There was a couple of times we had sacks on
him and he was so quick and the way he
jumped in the pocket and then he would jump back
when all of a sudden he saw different color jersey
and then worked his way out. The one touchdown one
where he got some depth depth, depth, depth and then
kind of did an Aaron Rodgers throw when he was
leaning backwards, was really.

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
Impressive to me.

Speaker 8 (01:10:39):
It's a man that's a That's a tricky one because
I think a pure pocket passer, Gino Smith can make
every throw. He can throw to his left, he can
throw to his right, step up in the pocket, he
can fade a little bit, he can he has a
great deep ball. He can make every throw. He has
one weekness there. I don't think he's quite as good
as this escaping pressure has brought per Rock Purty now

(01:11:02):
has for the first time weaknesses that have been exposed.
Gout pressure not his friend. If he has no word escape,
he's going to throw the ball. He's going to have
a tendency to throw it high and give people opportunities
to have interceptions. And that's why he has twelve touchdown
seven interceptions this year. He doesn't throw it as well
outside the numbers too as right. People know that they're

(01:11:22):
trying to force that. Literally they know his route, So
you no what I'm going to say. I'm going to say,
I think they're both perfect where they are right now?

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
What is going on here?

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
I think they're both What is going on here?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I don't think what are you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
I don't think the Seahawks are worse or better with
Rock Party. What do you am I allowed to do this?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
What are you doing that?

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
Producer? Am I being gone right now? Member of the
Gong Show? Are you booking me? Okay? I'm being booted.
I'm going to say that I'm going to say that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
The forty nine ers would be better, but I don't
know if we'd be worse because the way our our
pocket breaks down. I think his legs escaping and maybe
able to run and and create some with his legs
might actually be beneficial.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Well what, I don't even care who's right. I'm just
glad we pressured you into this. Yeah, gone and answer.

Speaker 7 (01:12:20):
I'm not doing I'm not doing this segment anymore. It's
my last one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
I'm hurt, all right, last one.

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
The Seahawks are closer to being a really good team
than they are to being a really bad team.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Four and five.

Speaker 7 (01:12:32):
I think it's right down the middle. Look, how do
I feel I feel like we're closer to being a
really good team.

Speaker 8 (01:12:43):
Yeah, because we've been in so many games. We've lost
five of our last six. Four of those have been
by double digits. One of those was by nine points.
In last week. I think we should have won. We
should have beat the Giants. We lost to them. We've
lost four home games in a row.

Speaker 7 (01:13:02):
Is that right? I think four home games in a row.
I'm gonna go with. Look, your record, you are what
your record says it is. You are what you're putting
out there to see.

Speaker 8 (01:13:13):
Right now and right now, over our last six games,
we're closer to being a bad team than we are
to being a good team. My heart doesn't say that,
because I think we got a chance to get Abraham
Lucas back.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
We now have Ernest Jones at linebacker. I think, you know.
I think Trace McNett actually helps us in the running game.
I think we know what we are on a front.

Speaker 8 (01:13:34):
Defensively, I think we cleaned that up last week, so
I believe the next eight games we will play better.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
But what I've seen over the last six games isn't saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
That you know what bad teams do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Snap the football over your head, fell interceptions in the
red zone, horrible on third downs, don't convert on fourth down,
third and fourth, third and fourth down. So I think
I think you're right. But I think that there's enough
time in this season for them to change my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Because I think that Gino's a good quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
I think DK is one of the top three explosive
receivers in a game.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Not the best, but top three explosive players in a game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I think that Ken Walker is one of the more
talented running backs in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I think Julian Love, if you look at.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
His PFF, he's having a Pro Bowl type of season.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
I think that Devin Witherspoon is dude. So I think COB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I think the talent is there, but we all know
that this is a team sport, so you need everybody
working together making plays at the same time. So because
we've seen individual performances and not a team performance quite
yet to where they just went out and dominate, I
will agree with you, but I will say that I
think that there is time and talent to where they

(01:14:52):
can change our minds pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
And it can start on Sunday. If you go to
San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
And you win that ballgame and it looks pretty and
you're not walking away saying, oh, well, San Francisco lost
that game, then we feel different about this team. But
I agree with you, there are some things that we
saw lately that makes you think that, all right, they
got a lot of work to do.

Speaker 8 (01:15:11):
You know what's interesting is last year I said it
was really it was scheme.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
It was scheme.

Speaker 8 (01:15:16):
I go, man, yeah, I give you guys, you've got
to get a chance, give them a chance to win.

Speaker 7 (01:15:21):
I feel like our scheme's right, I really do on both.
This is about execution and the players getting it done.
So I think you're right.

Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
You got eight games, and I'm thinking of the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
They're seven and three.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
They win on a Hail Mary. They've won some games
they should not have won. We've lost games we should
have won. And what a difference. The feeling is that
they're seven and three, we're four and five. So yeah,
you go to the four nine ers and win in
Santa Clair. Boy, that changes the season quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And the Chiefs are the jankeest nine and old team
I've ever seen. Okay, when we come back, we'll put
a bowl in this thing and look.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Forward to the Niners. That is next here on Hawk's lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Hawks Live presented by the Dining District of the Bellevue
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Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Welcome back to Hawks Live, the last segment of this Thursday,
the bye week.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Man, it's finally over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
We get to see these guys get back after and compete.
Believe it or not, Moyer, they are still in this
thing in the NFC West. You have the Cardinals at
six and four, you have the Niners that what five
and four, and then you have us in the Rams
at four and five.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
So big game coming up.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
This pretty much control your own destiny. Yep, you know
it is weird. You have a bye week. I was
telling you guys, I said, hey, what game was it?
Where we were playing and we were going in for
ty game. We're going for the go ahead touchdown and
potentially go ahead field goal. We threw that interception and
went one hundred and three yards back the other way,
and then the next drive we threw another interception.

Speaker 7 (01:16:58):
We were down on a.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
Two yard line. It was last week or the last
game we played. That just shows how long ago it was.
So let me ask you a question. I mean, this
is a big game. Obviously, this is tough. I mean,
you've lost five of your last six games. You know,
you're four and five, as you said, after a three
and oh start, which was pretty good, they cut Dots

(01:17:18):
in which, man, just a shock to me. And maybe
they believe in in Trice McKnight, you know, as the future,
but to cut him was weird. They're in a bye week, man,
they're evaluating. Do you think they let Dotson go because
you're not in the future. We're gonna give him a cancer.
This doesn't work in the locker room. Or did they

(01:17:40):
say we're four and five, we've lost five or last six.

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
We're kind of in rebuild mode right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Now I don't think they see this as rebuild because,
like you mentioned, you controlled your own destiny. You go
out here, you beat the Niners, you sweep the Cardinals,
you split with the Rams, beat the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Now big ask right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I don't think they think they're gonna go undefeated for
the rest of the season. Still gotta play Green Bay,
still gotta play in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Uh So, there's some things that they have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
But I think that they looked at that situation and said,
we can get that type of play from this young man,
and we can also save about a million dollars because
I believe Miami had to pick up the potential incentives
of of Dotson. So I think they saw this as
a situation for this young man to sink or swim

(01:18:32):
and get a real evaluation of him. And and it's
because of Dotson's own doing. He just wasn't playing the
way that they want him to play. So no, I
don't think. I don't think they're they're rebuilding or taking
right now, or are saying it's a rap. I think
that they're doing what they think it's best for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
No.

Speaker 8 (01:18:49):
Two birds with one son Abe Lucas come back let's
just let's just pretend we don't know. We don't know
if he's gonna be active, we don't know if he's starting,
we don't know if he's playing.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
We don't know anything. But let's say he does start.
How big boost is that one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
I think it's more of a boost mentally for the
offensive line, because I'm sure you played with guys you
played with Kenny easily. Sure there were games where he
missed and things just didn't feel right. I'm not comparing
Abe to Kenny, but I'm saying that once you get
one of your boys back a starter, you know, you
start to believe a little bit more. And I think

(01:19:27):
that's what they can do. Abe's gonna be tired.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
You can't simulate a football game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
You see him out in vMac running and doing sprints
and doing all these drills. It gets real when the
other guy is wearing a different jersey and gives to
you know, what's about your will being, He's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Gonna get after you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
So I think that it gives them more of a
mental boost, but obviously a physical boost as well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
But I just don't expect him to be able to
play the whole game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
He's I give him twenty five to thirty snaps and
he's gonna be gassed.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:19:54):
The problem with your analogy there with Kenny Easley is
when he would go out, I was starting, and when
he was out, I was eleven and one as a starter,
So I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Thought you out there at the same time, I thought,
you know, it was it was the easily.

Speaker 7 (01:20:09):
Mine was the Eugene Robinson I was.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
I was Kenny's backup and so yeah, until he left
in eighty eight, I filled in when he was hurt, and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
You're eleven and one as a starter, and that's kind
of when they said, huh maybe, so that's not true.
So that's why he's he's one of your close friends.
You're like, yeah, you're in the Hall of Fame. But
you know, I did my thing.

Speaker 7 (01:20:32):
He was my you know, he was actually my agent after.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
He retired, really fresh off of retirement, fresh Army Tiger.

Speaker 8 (01:20:38):
He had, he had an agency. One of my good friends,
sim Osborn was the lawyer. They did my last contract
and did a nice job with it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Really. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:20:47):
Got me an insurance policy too, which was really key
because I got hurt. My net like a Lloyd to
London one and it ended up paying my last contract man,
my last year you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
O, Kenny, I do.

Speaker 8 (01:20:58):
So yeah, and and everne wants to start, I just
don't forget that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Well seven picks in.

Speaker 7 (01:21:04):
One year, six with three callbacks six so six yeah, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
All right man, let's get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
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