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August 29, 2023 • 16 mins
What must C.J. Stroud do between now and kickoff at noon CT of Week 1? Texans TV's Drew Dougherty and Team Analyst/Radio Sideline Reporter John Harris talked about the rookie QB as well as the roster cuts.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things to Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew in the Lab time right now. Drew Doherty,
John Harris, John, it's good to be with you. This
is a big day, cutdown day. We've seen names already

(00:25):
trickle out about who's not going to be on the roster,
who might be back in a little bit, some other
big names around the league, some former Texans, some notable names.
But I thought Demico Ryans put it perfectly on Monday
in his press conference at Energy Stadium, is the day
after the Saints preseason game. He said, it's a delicate day,
it's a sensitive day, it's tough, and it's one of

(00:48):
those days he went through as a player.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
He was in the NFL for ten years. I don't
know that he was really ever on the bubble until
maybe the end. And I can't remember exactly how his
the end of his career went. Twenty fourteen was the
last season with the Eagles, but I know he was
never in jeopardy here. He just got traded, you know, right,
Salary can use salary cap casualty kind of, but he
at least has been around enough to see it. You

(01:12):
spend a decade playing, you spend some time as an assistant,
getting close to guys that you want to keep, but
you know, just aren't all the way there. Tough day,
and it's never one of the fun ones, certainly in
this building or any NFL building for that matter.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, it really is. You know. I've talked to some
of the NFL people around the league, from scouts to
players to coaches, and you have to Drew and this
is a day that everybody. Everybody hates. The fans love
it in some sense because they get to see what
the fifty three is going to be at the start
of the season, or at least on two.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Dayah crystallizes things a little bit right.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And so you as a as a fan, you start
thinking about starting the season. Let's go, it's week one,
We're get excited about regular season football is training nonsense.
It is behind us. Let's go, let's do it. But man,
there's so much that goes into it. And ninety guys
in a in a locker room, every single one of

(02:10):
them is at a different stage and they're all thinking
about this day in a different way. You know, the
Damien Pearces and Jalen Petries are like, yo, let's just
get the Baltimore Lariomy tunsl Is. You know, just all right,
when when's practice, we gotta get ready for Baltimore. I
gotta get ready for David Ajabo and o'defeoway. So then

(02:31):
you've got players at bottom of the roster going, man,
I'm on the roster. I think if I'm not, where
do I go? What do I do? And then you
got some near the bottom of the bottom of the
roster that are like, Okay, where's my next opportunity? Is
my next opportunity in the NFL? Maybe it's not even
in the NFL, maybe it's XFL. Do I need to
be thinking about getting a job on Tuesday? All those

(02:54):
emotions are kind of floating through the locker room, and
your coaches are kind of as you mentioned, Dimika Ryance,
coaches are dealing with that too because they got to
have hard discussions, and the hardest discussions are coming from
Nick Casario Debika Ryans. But Dimko said something pretty interesting
to us, Drue that I thought about a lot. He said,
I want all ninety of these guys to have their

(03:15):
careers in the NFL. I want them to all be
on NFL roster in some way, shape or form, sure
in twenty twenty three and beyond. And I thought that
was interesting. I don't think I've ever heard a coach
say that. Now they might have thought it, but I
don't know I've ever heard any one of them say
it out loud. And I just think that speaks to
to Tamiko. I know Nick feels that way too.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Been through it and seeing friends get cut and he
got traded. I mean that had to be a just
a bombshell to him. So yeah, he's got that human
element to it, right, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
And so it makes us its day. And you know,
for you and I and we get to know these players.
We interview them out to practice, we talked to them,
We get to know them a little bit. And then
some of them, you know, some rookies we don't get
to know. But some guys they've been around here, you know,
the Desmond Kings, the Christian Kirkseys, the world low As.
I mean, those guys you know we've gotten over the
last three years and you look up and okay, well

(04:05):
they're not in the locker room anymore. And you know,
you've been there since two thousand and I've been there
since twenty fourteen. You know, you get used to it.
But just because you get used to something doesn't mean
you like it. And you hate seeing those players. I mean,
de Dees has a brother that has Asperger's. He's on
the spectrum as well. So Dez and I've talked about
that because my son has the same and so we've

(04:27):
talked a lot about that about family. So I wish
them all well. I hate it because it feels like, Okay,
you got to get ready for the Ravens and we
got to start preparing, you know, even our stuff for
the Ravens. But you just hate that, you know, guys
that you like as people and as football players have
got to go start something different end up in a
different location. I always find it fascinating at the end

(04:49):
of games, Drew, when players meet at midfield and they're
shaking hands and you're like, hey, those two didn't go
to the same college. Oh yeah, they were in this
rookie class with this team, and now they've you know,
gone on these they are separate ways, and now they're
meeting again. So it's it's the biggest smallest fraternity on
the planet in some sense. So it's a tough day,
but it's necessary. It's necessary. Ninety guys get a shot,

(05:13):
you get down to fifty three, and then of course
you got waiver claims. You got all kinds of ways
to build your roster. So I'm curious to see what
Nick and I Miko are gonna do. Having the number
two priority spot on the waiver wire is going to
be really interesting. My guess is there will be at
least two that come in through that waiver process.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
One more thing on this just kind of as a whole,
all ninety guys in the locker room were unless with
the rarest of exceptions, all ninety of those guys, each
one of them, when they were in little league basketball
or little league football they played, or baseball or track
or whatever soccer, they were the kid that everyone in

(05:51):
the league was like.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Dude, that guy's really good.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Scared of every single one of them, you know, it's
just like an absolute stud clearly head and shoulders better
than everybody in there. And some of them, like half
of them are getting cut. Half of them are getting cut.
So it's something I kind of think about every single time,
you know, because I help coach.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
You know, I've got little kids.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Every time I'm out at something and I see some
kid that's good, I automatically think to myself, he's probably
not going to do anything beyond college at most if that,
and so it's just that's how rare these guys are.
That's just something that it's like a good perspective. Yeah,
oh my son, he had a triple day. Well you
know what, it's probably might not even play after junior

(06:36):
so youth sports or anything.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
But it's kind of more to magnify.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes, these guys are getting cut, but they are not bums.
They are they were studs of studs back in the day,
and it's just something that that's got to be tough
to take for them in that regard, knowing that they've
been pretty much the best. They were the best in college.
I mean, think about your your favorite college football team.
If it was a really really good one, maybe eight

(07:04):
or nine went to the NFL from it. I mean,
then that's like they might have won a national title
if that happened.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
So yeah, I mean we talked about the two thousand
and one Miami Hurricanes and I think I think it
was forty five guys were drafted. Greatest college football team
of all time. There's a poll that ended up on Twitter,
so I think it was Fox Sports put up a
pole and they put five teams they didn't put they
put greatest tower, most talented college football teams of all time.
They didn't put the two thousand and one Miami Hurricanes.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
I'm like, you dope, oversight.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Forty five players from that two thousand and one team
ended up being drafted. And we talked about that that
is talented team. That's forty five of eighty five scholarship players.
So I mean there were forty that ended up not
being drafted or not going to the NFL. So it's

(07:49):
you know it every level filters it out as you
go through, and you know, you're right, I'm glad you
brought that up because you're going to hear a lot
of this, Oh, that guy's a bomb, he can't play,
and you know it's some guy sitting at a keyboard
that's never you know, played a day of football in
his life, and so there's that perspective that gets lost
for sure, and I understand it because you know, fans,

(08:10):
are you know short, you know short for fanatics, So
I get it. I understand it to a degree. But
the truth of it is, there are going to be
some really talented dudes that were all Americans, that were
you know, award winners. Desmond King was a I think
he was a Jim Thorpe Award winner back in Iowa.
So there are a lot of those guys that are
going to be looking for opportunities. So yeah, there are

(08:31):
no bums at all, not in that locker room and
not in the NFL for sure.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
That's right. Okay, let's move on to this. CJ.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Stroud looked good. We've talked a lot about what we
saw from him the other night. The ball placement outstanding,
which is something that gets talked about over and over
and over again, justifiably so through the touchdown pass zipped
it in there to an Eco loved it. Damian Pierce
was money on that drive as well, to help set
it up for runs for twenty seven yards and then

(08:58):
Stroud throws the thirteen yard on third down to Schultzen,
then the touchdown to Nico Collins being banged Bata Boom.
You're done for the preseason. I like in between now
and then John, this is the Twitter question of the
day in between now and Sunday at noon Central time,
Week one at Baltimore, What must CJ.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Stroud do?

Speaker 3 (09:22):
The basic premise that I or the basic thing that
I would like to see from CJ is when he
walks up to the line. How many of her times
that he walks up to the line of scrimmage that
he's able to look across at that Ravens defense and
have an idea of what he's going to see. And
I'm not just talking about Oh, there's a Jabo, Uh,

(09:45):
there's oh Way, and there's Matabique and oh Roque. Now
I'm not talking about the personnel per se, and that's
good personnel. I'm talking about Okay, I'm seeing them in.
There's Nickel, you know, there's no more on Humphrey. Potentially.
I don't think he's gonna play in this one. This
is the personnel grouping they have typically out of this

(10:07):
group in the past, they like to play this coverage
or they're this front. I want him to be able
to get up to the line script a couple of things,
get out of the huddle with at least twenty to
twenty five seconds left, Get them to the line of
scrimmage because Bobby Slow it can help him in those

(10:27):
five to ten seconds, because Bobby can sit there and
tell them, Okay, here's the play get the play out,
get everybody to the line of scrimmage, and Bobby can say, hey,
they're in this coverage. He can he can help him
with that up until there's fifteen seconds left. Right, So
if but CJ's got to have an idea of what
he's gonna see. Is it's gonna be cover three? Is
this cover four? Is this man? Is a man match?

(10:49):
Is it Lurk? Is Robert? All these different kind of
coverages that you know that the Ravens will play. What
are some of their giveaways? So live in that film room.
Get to a point where you have a process down.
Now he's got two weeks now, but get your process
down for how you prepare for a team. What are
the things that you want to know? What's the you know?

(11:09):
What are their sub package groupings they like? You know,
are they a blitz team? Are they are they a
zone team? Are they a man match team? They play
a lot of man Do they like fire zones? What
are the things that I know? Mike McDonald, the coordinator
for the Ravens, is gonna show CJ some things he
hasn't seen. But at least if he has a pretty
solid understanding of their base schemes and a lot of
the things their their pet plays, then you're then CJ

(11:33):
is gonna be better off because there's gonna be something
he sees in that game that's new for sure, absolutely
new for sure, and so there's gonna be some time
he's gonna go over to Bobby and go, I don't know, Bobby,
we didn't see I haven't seen that it's gonna happen. Yeah,
But if he can have a basic understanding that doesn't
happen too often, then I think the Texans offense will
be okay. What will slow it down will be you

(11:55):
know what, there's an unblocked guy because they thought it
was so they had seen before and they weren't sure,
you know how the rules, you know, a protection were
supposed to apply, and then CJ gets hit fumble and
you know the way you go. I think the biggest
thing though, is if he can get some help from
Bobby during that game. But the biggest thing to me

(12:15):
is just being mentally prepared physically. You mentioned it drew
his ballplacement's on point. I mean, you know, you and
I have been talking about that since you know, May
of twenty twenty two, going into his last year.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I mean, he's one of the most accurate college football
quarterbacks of all time.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean it's his ballplace was incredible, and so
you want to give him time to be able to
do that. So the game is gonna feel really really fast.
But I think the best thing for CJ was going
against that Dolphins defense. That was really good for his confidence.
This is how fast it's going to be and probably
even faster. So they got to put together a game

(12:53):
plan that allows that to flourish. I think it is
gonna sound crazy, but they got to let CJ on
cork one long deep early, get some of that angst out.
Maybe you hit it, maybe you don't, but just put
the Ravens unnoticed that you're gonna send them all down
the field a little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And and really I kind of think, don't you think
from what we saw on that first series, the one
that the Texan did not score, don't you think of
showing that in the preseason And I know, hey, it's
preseason table whatever. But don't you think that is maybe
in part a little bit of a message like, Hey,
this this club is in the bag, NFL, just just

(13:30):
be ready, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think, yeah, absolutely the reason I talk about.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Not gonna be able to stack the box like you
did last year against Pierce.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, honestly, honestly, I'm I'm not even really concerned about that, Drew.
I think. I think what happens in a game is
players get so amped up in a game, especially quarterback,
and then all of a sudden, as a quarterback, you know,
coaches are like, hey, let's run this play, and you
think it's an easy throw, but it's not because the
quarterback is so amped up. The easiest throw that you
can make as a quarterback is to take three steps

(13:59):
and haul off and throw as far you can because
you get all that if you think about just throwing
deep and you get all that anks kind of out
of your body. I mean, even if you throw it
ten yards over you now just like let all that
stress and everything go, and now you can loosen up
and start to make those throws. So I think it
has kind of a three pronged approach. Really, you put
the ravens on blast you then maybe you hit it,

(14:22):
maybe you don't, which would be great if you did.
And then thirdly, you get all that ankst out as
a quarterback, and now you can settle in and now
you can make those throws sometimes when you ask the
quarterback to make the first third down throw and third
and eight, and now you're asking to throw into three
guys and a guy that's all amped up and juiced
up is gonna throw it one hundred miles an hour
probably high, could be intercepted, but may you throw it deep?

(14:46):
Could be intercepted. You know it's happened before, but really
what you're doing if the guy does pick it off,
it's a long punt. I guess it's kind of the
worst thing that could happen, But the good kind of
out weighs the bad for everybody involved in that. So
I'd like to see them kind of open it up,
and they did the other day, and I think that helps.
CJ dropped it right in a damn bucket, So I

(15:08):
do think that. But it's just the biggest thing is
just knowing what you're looking at on the other side
of the line of scrimmage, having an idea of what
you could see because post snap you might see some
crazy stuff, but trust your eyes after the snap. Know
what you're gonna see, Trust your eyes after the snap.

(15:29):
So there's gotta be a lot of mental work that
he's got to do between now and then and then
take that process and apply it sixteen more times throughout
the year. And that's gonna be tough as a rookie
because there's gonna be a lot of things he sees
and I'm like, hey, he walks over to the sidelines
and goes Drod, Bobby never seen that before, right, So

(15:50):
he's gonna have to come to grips with that, and
hopefully he does it pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
All right, John's always been talking to you. He's strong.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, we'll see you again very soon. Sounds good, sounds great.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Bye,
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