June 27, 2023 • 21 mins
What if 'The Waterboy', Bobby Boucher, played for the Houston Texans in 2023? He, and a few other notable movie characters were added to the squad, and Drew Dougherty of Texans TV discussed this with Team Analyst/Radio Sideline Reporter John Harris.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew, John.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You and I are a bunch of weirdos. We have
fun on these podcasts Texans in the Lab, where Hey,
sometimes we're gonna dig deep and go into this one
specific play that turned the game during the season for
the Texans, or this formation that had so much promise
and hope, or we're gonna do stuff like today where
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we're going to take three players from a football movie
and put them on the current Houston Texan squad to
make them better. And you know what, I'm goin at
a wild card at the end that you're you're not
gonna expect. All right, all right, we're gonna get crazy,
get funky. But first of all, before we do that, Okay,
how are you, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's good to see you.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, do do well hanging in there. You know, life
hits in different ways, and so it's uh, just is man.
Hopefully everybody's out there having a good summer and celebrating
and we can get back to uh hopefully we can
get the July twenty fourth, fifty whatever, whatever, whatever date
that is.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I've been looking at the calendar.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Whatever date the players start returning back to NRG.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
That'll be that'll be a good day. So hopefully everybody gets.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Their rest and relaxation in and then they can start
locking in on the season and that'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm getting a lot of I'm like knee deep in baseball.
If we were to do a baseball these, you'd have
to have Roy Hobbs front center. Sure, okay, you can
quibble with the acting of all that stuff, but he's
the best baseball player in the movie, right, Who's who's
better production?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You could say, Crash Davis.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, no, no, no, no, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Slash Davis is really good.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
No, I'm saying, like the stuff he was accomplishing, oh
the field in the movie, like oh yeah, he was a.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Forty show uh.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Like times eighty yeah, you know, like home run every
time or whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And then of course his pitching career was ended because
you know then he just stuck the hitting yep, uh yeah, Ruth,
you know, Crush Davis I'd like to have. I want
to have a confident catcher having played the position. I
love the position. By the way. I know this is
a totally wacky thing.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But that's what we do here. Have you been watched
did you watch any of the College World Series?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Bits and pieces? Yes, man. One of the greatest pitched
games I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Last night was pretty good.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
LSU Wake Forest game two of their little thing, So
wake Forest went up, was won two games last night
was so that was game three between them because wake
and won the first one, which gave them made him
on the feed and LSU had.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
To fight through loser's bracket, you know whatever. Yeah, and
then they had to win the game.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
So that was so so Thursday night, Wednesday night, then
the winning game Wednesday night, which was an awesome they're
they're cleanup hitter hit a bomb. I mean this dude's
like three hundred pounds, I mean he's massive, and he
just yanked one and so that gave them the win.
And then Thursday night's game is zero zero through ten incs.
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It's as well pitched the game I've ever seen the
College World Series.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean it was. It was just incredible. It was
one of those zero zero games you couldn't turn off. Sure,
and first.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Basement for LSU made this incredible play at the plate
on a bunt on a I think it was a
safety squeeze, then looked like a suicide squeeze, and then
their big, different, clean number three hitter hit one about
four hundred feet to win it to nothing to send
them into the championship game. The College World Series always always,
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always delivers, and when LSU was in that thing, it's incredible.
And there's a there's a there's a pizza joint called
Rocos in Omaha that started this jello shot challenge.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I saw that few years ago. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
The amount last year was thirty seven thousand they sold,
and each year it's gone up because more and more
fans are like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Oh man, I got well. The SEC fans have taken that.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
As a as a challenge, right, and the LSU fans
has decided to obliterate it this year. As of two
days ago, they had they had they bought twenty two
thousand yellow shots. Raising Kane's owner, Tig Graves went in
there and bought I don't know how much worth, but
they just took over. And I'm sure Rocos was supremely
happy that LSU was there for three four tech. I
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believe that, John, because it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Whenever LSU was here for either a bull game or
the season kickoff or whatever. There's there's tales that have
floated around about their their consumption, their fans consumption. And
there's especially an epic one when they when Leonard four
Nett Yes and the Tigers faced Patrick Mahomes Raiders Texas tech. H.
I think they'd like to get in that conversation a
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little bit their fan base, but that that one, Yeah,
there's been some strong stories about that. You brought up
crash Davis before we get into.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Our football stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, I think crash Davis is rattling around somewhere in
the major leagues now as a manager in an alternate universe.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
What do you think? Probably so his playing.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Days all through at the universe, Yeah, there's playing days
ended in eighty eight. He's probably a wise manager. You
know what he is at this last team. You know,
so I won a World Series or three, you.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Know what he is.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
He's probably a bench coach, advisor to a young up
and coming manager.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But he's won some World Series. Yeah, he's a manager.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, he went through it like he he's like Joe
Tory it's like Joe Tory. He did his thing as
a manager, won his championship.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
For no nonsense, cut through the bs quick in this
type of manager and Betty and he's in great analytics
and he appreciates analytics.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And that would be a great Bolt Durham sequel.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, he is now in his seventies eighties. He's this
crusty old bench coach who is with a young manager,
and a young manager is just kind of a hothead
and you know, kind of flying off the handle. But
he's also into analytics and all that. And then there's
Crash Davis trying to bring him back down to earth.
That would be an inches think Bull d arm sequel.
I watched that, no doubt in fact im I write that.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Let's make it happen.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Okay, let's get into what we promised football players who
could help the Houston Texans. I'm gonna fire from the
hip right out of the gate with the greatest football
player in a movie of all time as far as
what he was able to do on the field, the indefatigable,
the unstoppable, the guy who should have played both ways
in the movie, Bobby booh put him on this team. Now,
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I think the Texans linebackers are going to be just
fine this year, but you add him in the mix,
Holy cow. But you got to play him on offense too.
I mean, he was unstoppable. So give me Bobby Bouchet.
Your team is also going to be hydrated, not that
they weren't, but he's also going to add to that
mix that we've heard about from all these countless new players,
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old players or turning players. How great the Houston Texans
strength and conditioning staff and the dietitians and nutrition special
and the weight room and the the the cafeteria. So
he's going to add to that mix as well. But
give me Bobby Bouche because he's gonna rally and get
you thirty five tackles a game, about twelve sacks per game,
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and then I bet he can catch some passes, run
some run some touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Give me Bobby Bouche. You think I like it? I
like it a lot. And the irony is united to
talk about what we were going to do here.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, but adding to our team, So this is a
you and I, this is a united effort, so correct.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
So my favorite all time football movie character it's also
a linebacker. And I think these two are polar opposites,
and sometimes polar opposites are perfect.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Alvin Mack from the program, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
a good one.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Right next to Bobby Bouchet, might be the most interesting
linebacker duo. Now, I don't know that we need two linebackers,
but I know I don't want my team without Alvin
Mack for the program.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now, I did consider Latimer, he's too much of a while.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I worried about his going back to peds and
being suspended, and that's just not That's not our cup
of tea. So I want to go with Alvin Mack,
who might be the greatest trash talker in the history
of football. Okay, be on a shadow of it out.
So I am going I'm going with Alvin Mack.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Let's add him all right. Now, We're going to collaborate
on this last one because I've got some ideas. Now
I thought about I thought about adding Steam and Willie
Beeman quarterback because he's a University of Houston great yep,
he did so many great things with the Sharks at
the end of any given Sunday. But we already have
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the University of Houston. Great in case Keenan backing up C. J.
Stroud and Davis Mill. You know, we have that U
of h kind of surplus there. So I'm not going
to go with Stephen Willie Beaman, respectfully, Stephen Willie Beaman.
I also I thought about adding the Lawrence Taylor character,
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but we're we're what too deep on linebackers though Lawrence
Taylor from any given Sunday character, So not going to
do that either, Right, That sounds about right?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I sawed a car in half with a chance, or
am I mixing that with North Dallas?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
For no?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
That was I think he he you know what, I
think saw a car and half was North Dallas forty.
But he has a moment where he wrecks a car.
I just had to remember it exactly, but I do
remember him being in a bathroom and there were some
things going on, and then he went outside and then
more things went on, But I don't remember him sawing
it in half.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think that was North Dallas.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think you're right, And that's embarrassing because you know
I I've told you this, and just in case some
of you out there listening, haven't heard this before. I
was actually an extra in the movie any Given Sunday's.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Right, I do. I remember that now.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
That's my junior year at SMU. They were filming it.
They're filming some scenes at Texas Stadium when the team
was playing the Knights, the Red and the Excuse you,
the Red and the Yellow team, and uh, there's a
casting call. I went down there with three of my friends.
It took pictures, you pulled out a questionnaire. I got
called back and I went there at nine in the
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morning one day and sat around for about five hours,
and then I got called in and I was in
a scene where it's it's a brief scene. It doesn't
happen long, but it's basically the John c McGinley reporter character.
He is getting apologized to by Al Pacino. His Mechino
would pushed him and he hit his head or something.
So I was in a scene technically, although you don't
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see or hear me, I was in the scene with
Al Pacino, John c McGinley, Charlton Heston, and Cameron Diaz
and maybe a few others. But yeah, I was there
for that. Okay, another this is who I'm kind of
leaning on now is my choice, but I'm open to
being overruled and well, listen to anything you have. But
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I don't know the name of the guy because I
I kind of think it's a corny movie, but purely
based on what he was able to do, the Warren
Baty character from Heaven Can Wait, because it basically could
do anything that that guy could do, and he was
a good quarterback. So that's who I'm gonna lean on.
But it's a weak choice. I think my wild card
choice is gonna be better. Do you have somebody that
you want to overrule that with, because I kind of
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like to be overruled this one.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, there a couple of ways to go now.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
First of all, if I remember correctly, Alvin Mack also
played wide receiver in unnecessary roughness, but he was a
bad handed receiver, so not not totally not totally down
with that, Okay. I thought about Bill Bellamy's character in
any given Sunday played wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
He was a true number one.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He was a true number one wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Now, if we thought about wide receiver now, I think
the wide receiver group for the Texans we talked about this.
I think it's gonna be better than people think. Obviously,
health in age or two different things, or two different things,
but two important things. Because Robert Woods up there in
age a little bit. Nico Collins has not been healthy.
But those two guys are healthy. I thought about he's
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a little bit of a wild card, but I thought
Tweeter from Varsity Blues, he's pretty productive, dude. He was
Jonathan Moxon's go to receiver in crunch time. So Tweeter
at wide receivers one to think about. Here's another one.
Darnell Jefferson from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Not a football movie.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
No, he counts a but football player.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
It's a football Yes. He was outstanding and when his
car got trashed, he went to a different level of crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So you just have to crash his trash his car.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Right, trash his car every single week and then paint
on there. Hey, Lamar Jackson is the best, and you know,
really make it mad before the opener against the Ravens.
So at that point you could have Darnell Jefferson, Bouchet
and Alvin Mack. Somebody would get hurt against that defense.
That that would be That would be pretty fun, uh
to think about. At that point. So darnl Jefferson Tweeter.
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Those are two that I was thinking about.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, let me come back with one. I've just this
on the fly, bringing up the wide receiver. This guy's
a true number one. He's hungry. He has gotten paid,
but he's still hungry, and he's he's seeing none some
good life perspective that's changed things. He's got a great agent.
We're talking about, of course, a sun devil, Rod Tidwell
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from the movie Jerry Maguire. I think we got to
add that guy.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I think, yeah, I think Tidwell probably moves up to
the top of the list.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And I'll be able to satisfy your I'll scratch that
itch you had with uh with Jefferson, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna pump it up a little more with my
wild card here in a second. But let's add Rod
tidwelly to have a BONI five, no doubt about it,
number one receiver on this team with I mean guys
who are really going to show some things. We think
this wide receiver corps for twenty twenty three with the Texans.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Anyways, you like that, I'm good with that. The other.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
The other I would think about by the way, you know,
I think I think he was Darnell Jefferson as well
in the program. Yeah, Darnell Jefferson, do it all return
guy running back out of the back of it. Now
we do have Devin Singletary, so he's kind of the
Darnell Jefferson But I always love Darnell Jefferson in the program.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But I think we kind of have that taken care of.
So I'm okay with that. I'm alright with that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So we're adding these three guys. Bobby Bouche he's gonna
play both ways, but primarily at linebacker. Yep, Alvin Mack, Yes,
it's gonna be a stud for us on defense. And
then we add our number one, bona Fide Roble wide
receiver and Rod Tidwell. He's gonna go over the middle.
He's tough, makes catches. He's gonna provide wisdom and perspective
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for these young kids.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Joe Pendleton, Joe Pendleton, that was his name. And Heavy
cauld Wait that was Warren Beaty's name. That bothered me
for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Sorry, Yeah, thats a goofy movie. It's hey, it was good. Yeah, yeah,
all right. When I hosted the Mike Leach TV show
in Lubbock, Uh huh. We would ask him fans from
questions that had gotten emailed in, and you got stuff
off the wall back in those days. One famously was, uh, hey,
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where should I take a girl on a first.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Date here in Lubbock. Yeah, that one that went viral.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Leach went off and I'd said some good stuff and
got Tiger to a Stike house because she just dates salad,
she's not a deeper. And uh yeah, he was great.
One time somebody asked him, if you could add any
Star Wars character to your team, why would it beat you, Baka?
And what what would his position be? And Leech was smart.
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He said, I'd play him at left tackle, but he's
so strong and so big and so fast. He could
do so much. I'd play him at defensive end too.
He could play both ways. So we're gonna add Chewbacca
to this team. He's gonna wreck shop even more so
than your option there at the end.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Baka playing left tackle and one spot on the defensive line.
I'm okay with that, And the fact that Leach entertained
that question, which leads me to this question because sometimes
it happens on in the lab. Texas Tech is gonna
recognize Mike Leach and Cliff Kingsbury on the same day.
I guess it's going to be an open week for
USC because that's where Cliff is. Now, how do you
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think Mike Leach, unfortunately the pirate has passed away.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
How do you think Mike Leach would responded to that?
If Texas Tech had asked him, he would have liked that.
He you know, I think he would have kind of
dropped everything that had happened and been like about that.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know about that, but he he remembers Lubbock
and Texas Tech fondly, aside from the stuff about his
final year there with payment, and I think his his
beef is was mainly with one guy and a few
of the guys around him, not the Texas Tech Red
Raider community as a whole. Now, listen, I'm I'm kind
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of an outsider at this point, so I don't want
to pretend like I'm you know, I got the inside juice.
But the times I saw him since I left in
two thousand and nine, and I saw him probably up
five or six times in chit chatted with him and
you and I, you know, you were in the office
at the time. I had a nice long conversation with
him on the phone. He loved Texas Tech. In fact,
at the Las Vegas Draft when the Texans took Stingley
and Kenyon Green a year ago, he was there because
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Charles Cross drafted in the top ten by Seattle. That
was his left tackle at Mississippi State. So he would
go to the draft when he had guys who were
there at the draft, probably going to the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And that's what happened. Saw him, Hey, great to see you.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Was we were chit chatting and one of his neighbors
from his time in Washington State was at the draft.
So Leach was at Mississippi State, but this was a
good friend of his that had been a neighbor and
in the introductions they just said, hey, great to meet you.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I hosted his TV show from two thousand and five
through two thousand and eight in Lubbock, and I just
kind of, I casually said, we had some fun times
and Leech was watching and absorbing and he just kind
of had his coffee like he always did, kind of
close and he was like, those were some fun tom So,
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just the most he's been on record in addition to
what I just said, he's been on record about saying,
you know, talking about his love for Texas Tech and
all things Red Raiders. So yeah, I'm happy he's going in.
I wish it would have happened while he was alive,
you know, I thought about it. This year I finally
was a head coach of a baseball team.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was my seven year old's baseball team this spring.
And Leech, that's how he got to started coaching. He
coached little league baseball when he was I think in
high school, so he coached these younger kids, and he
I think he did it a few times throughout his life.
But I wanted to call him up early in the
season and ask him a few things and bounce some
ideas off him, because I tried to integrate some of
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what I'd seen it his football practices into what I
did as a head coach. And mainly it was he
didn't want anybody standing around. And that's especially that's that
is you're asking for it with little kids, because then
they started going bats and they you know, their horse
play yep. But he made a very efficient use of
everyone's time on the football field, and I tried to
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do that on the baseball field.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It's interesting, you said, because that was my number one goal.
I never wanted people standing around ever. That was and
I remember when I coached the junior high team, which
was one year seventh eighth grade, then the next year
it was seventh, eighth and ninth, and that was that
was a challenge, especially we had the three years because
a lot of seventh graders are playing football for the
first time.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So I'm like, Okay, how do I get them involved?
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
And so you know, you've seen teams now do this
two spot drill in the NFL, where you know one side,
you know you got offense going against a defense, offense
going against a defense, so you can get more reps
for both sides, and I kind of came up with
something similar to that. I would take one of my
coaches in the say, hey, take this this group down
there and work these drills. So make to make sure
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these guys are moving and all that kind of stuff,
and then I would kind of work with more the
the starters for that particular period and then we would
flip one day. Then I would go down with the
younger guys and then I would let them run with
the older guys. But that is that is the death
knell of younger kids, just boredom and just standing around.
And the the less standing around they can do, the
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more moving you got. You could do a shorter practice
and still get more out of it, and that's better
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So, uh, Leach is absolutely dead on about that. Is
make sure everybody.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Knows where they're going, keep everybody moving, and especially in baseball,
just keep kids from slinging a background. God only knows
where where that's going to end up. But yeah, would
have been Leach would have been a perfect role model
for that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I would have loved to have heard what he said,
because I guarantee I would have walked away with at
least three totally great.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Ideas totally yeah, maybe probably more.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And my season went well, but it was because we
had great kids. I don't want to pretend like Billy
Martin or anything. We had been really good players and
you know they'd reference who knows who Billy Martin is? Yeah,
I knew you would, yeah, of course, but yeah it
was fun. Well, Uh, okay, the Texans are better now
because they've added Chewbacca, they've had a Bobby Bouchet, they've
added Rod Tidwell, and they've added Alvin Mack. Those are
four high impact players we're gonna make the twenty twenty
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three Texans better. John, I can't wait to do this
again with you in two weeks after the July fourth.
Great does that sound good?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Sounds all right?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
This has been Texans in the Lab.
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew, John.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You and I are a bunch of weirdos. We have
fun on these podcasts Texans in the Lab, where Hey,
sometimes we're gonna dig deep and go into this one
specific play that turned the game during the season for
the Texans, or this formation that had so much promise
and hope, or we're gonna do stuff like today where
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we're going to take three players from a football movie
and put them on the current Houston Texan squad to
make them better. And you know what, I'm goin at
a wild card at the end that you're you're not
gonna expect. All right, all right, we're gonna get crazy,
get funky. But first of all, before we do that, Okay,
how are you, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's good to see you.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, do do well hanging in there. You know, life
hits in different ways, and so it's uh, just is man.
Hopefully everybody's out there having a good summer and celebrating
and we can get back to uh hopefully we can
get the July twenty fourth, fifty whatever, whatever, whatever date
that is.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I've been looking at the calendar.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Whatever date the players start returning back to NRG.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
That'll be that'll be a good day. So hopefully everybody gets.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Their rest and relaxation in and then they can start
locking in on the season and that'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm getting a lot of I'm like knee deep in baseball.
If we were to do a baseball these, you'd have
to have Roy Hobbs front center. Sure, okay, you can
quibble with the acting of all that stuff, but he's
the best baseball player in the movie, right, Who's who's
better production?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You could say, Crash Davis.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, no, no, no, no, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Slash Davis is really good.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
No, I'm saying, like the stuff he was accomplishing, oh
the field in the movie, like oh yeah, he was a.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Forty show uh.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Like times eighty yeah, you know, like home run every
time or whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And then of course his pitching career was ended because
you know then he just stuck the hitting yep, uh yeah, Ruth,
you know, Crush Davis I'd like to have. I want
to have a confident catcher having played the position. I
love the position. By the way. I know this is
a totally wacky thing.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But that's what we do here. Have you been watched
did you watch any of the College World Series?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Bits and pieces? Yes, man. One of the greatest pitched
games I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Last night was pretty good.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
LSU Wake Forest game two of their little thing, So
wake Forest went up, was won two games last night
was so that was game three between them because wake
and won the first one, which gave them made him
on the feed and LSU had.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
To fight through loser's bracket, you know whatever. Yeah, and
then they had to win the game.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
So that was so so Thursday night, Wednesday night, then
the winning game Wednesday night, which was an awesome they're
they're cleanup hitter hit a bomb. I mean this dude's
like three hundred pounds, I mean he's massive, and he
just yanked one and so that gave them the win.
And then Thursday night's game is zero zero through ten incs.
(03:15):
It's as well pitched the game I've ever seen the
College World Series.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean it was. It was just incredible. It was
one of those zero zero games you couldn't turn off. Sure,
and first.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Basement for LSU made this incredible play at the plate
on a bunt on a I think it was a
safety squeeze, then looked like a suicide squeeze, and then
their big, different, clean number three hitter hit one about
four hundred feet to win it to nothing to send
them into the championship game. The College World Series always always,
(03:44):
always delivers, and when LSU was in that thing, it's incredible.
And there's a there's a there's a pizza joint called
Rocos in Omaha that started this jello shot challenge.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I saw that few years ago. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
The amount last year was thirty seven thousand they sold,
and each year it's gone up because more and more
fans are like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Oh man, I got well. The SEC fans have taken that.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
As a as a challenge, right, and the LSU fans
has decided to obliterate it this year. As of two
days ago, they had they had they bought twenty two
thousand yellow shots. Raising Kane's owner, Tig Graves went in
there and bought I don't know how much worth, but
they just took over. And I'm sure Rocos was supremely
happy that LSU was there for three four tech. I
(04:25):
believe that, John, because it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Whenever LSU was here for either a bull game or
the season kickoff or whatever. There's there's tales that have
floated around about their their consumption, their fans consumption. And
there's especially an epic one when they when Leonard four
Nett Yes and the Tigers faced Patrick Mahomes Raiders Texas tech. H.
I think they'd like to get in that conversation a
(04:48):
little bit their fan base, but that that one, Yeah,
there's been some strong stories about that. You brought up
crash Davis before we get into.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Our football stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, I think crash Davis is rattling around somewhere in
the major leagues now as a manager in an alternate universe.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
What do you think? Probably so his playing.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Days all through at the universe, Yeah, there's playing days
ended in eighty eight. He's probably a wise manager. You
know what he is at this last team. You know,
so I won a World Series or three, you.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Know what he is.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
He's probably a bench coach, advisor to a young up
and coming manager.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But he's won some World Series. Yeah, he's a manager.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, he went through it like he he's like Joe
Tory it's like Joe Tory. He did his thing as
a manager, won his championship.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
For no nonsense, cut through the bs quick in this
type of manager and Betty and he's in great analytics
and he appreciates analytics.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And that would be a great Bolt Durham sequel.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, he is now in his seventies eighties. He's this
crusty old bench coach who is with a young manager,
and a young manager is just kind of a hothead
and you know, kind of flying off the handle. But
he's also into analytics and all that. And then there's
Crash Davis trying to bring him back down to earth.
That would be an inches think Bull d arm sequel.
I watched that, no doubt in fact im I write that.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Let's make it happen.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Okay, let's get into what we promised football players who
could help the Houston Texans. I'm gonna fire from the
hip right out of the gate with the greatest football
player in a movie of all time as far as
what he was able to do on the field, the indefatigable,
the unstoppable, the guy who should have played both ways
in the movie, Bobby booh put him on this team. Now,
(06:30):
I think the Texans linebackers are going to be just
fine this year, but you add him in the mix,
Holy cow. But you got to play him on offense too.
I mean, he was unstoppable. So give me Bobby Bouchet.
Your team is also going to be hydrated, not that
they weren't, but he's also going to add to that
mix that we've heard about from all these countless new players,
(06:50):
old players or turning players. How great the Houston Texans
strength and conditioning staff and the dietitians and nutrition special
and the weight room and the the the cafeteria. So
he's going to add to that mix as well. But
give me Bobby Bouche because he's gonna rally and get
you thirty five tackles a game, about twelve sacks per game,
(07:12):
and then I bet he can catch some passes, run
some run some touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Give me Bobby Bouche. You think I like it? I
like it a lot. And the irony is united to
talk about what we were going to do here.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, but adding to our team, So this is a
you and I, this is a united effort, so correct.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
So my favorite all time football movie character it's also
a linebacker. And I think these two are polar opposites,
and sometimes polar opposites are perfect.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Alvin Mack from the program, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
a good one.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Right next to Bobby Bouchet, might be the most interesting
linebacker duo. Now, I don't know that we need two linebackers,
but I know I don't want my team without Alvin
Mack for the program.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now, I did consider Latimer, he's too much of a while.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I worried about his going back to peds and
being suspended, and that's just not That's not our cup
of tea. So I want to go with Alvin Mack,
who might be the greatest trash talker in the history
of football. Okay, be on a shadow of it out.
So I am going I'm going with Alvin Mack.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Let's add him all right. Now, We're going to collaborate
on this last one because I've got some ideas. Now
I thought about I thought about adding Steam and Willie
Beeman quarterback because he's a University of Houston great yep,
he did so many great things with the Sharks at
the end of any given Sunday. But we already have
(08:50):
the University of Houston. Great in case Keenan backing up C. J.
Stroud and Davis Mill. You know, we have that U
of h kind of surplus there. So I'm not going
to go with Stephen Willie Beaman, respectfully, Stephen Willie Beaman.
I also I thought about adding the Lawrence Taylor character,
(09:12):
but we're we're what too deep on linebackers though Lawrence
Taylor from any given Sunday character, So not going to
do that either, Right, That sounds about right?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I sawed a car in half with a chance, or
am I mixing that with North Dallas?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
For no?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
That was I think he he you know what, I
think saw a car and half was North Dallas forty.
But he has a moment where he wrecks a car.
I just had to remember it exactly, but I do
remember him being in a bathroom and there were some
things going on, and then he went outside and then
more things went on, But I don't remember him sawing
it in half.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think that was North Dallas.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think you're right, And that's embarrassing because you know
I I've told you this, and just in case some
of you out there listening, haven't heard this before. I
was actually an extra in the movie any Given Sunday's.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Right, I do. I remember that now.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
That's my junior year at SMU. They were filming it.
They're filming some scenes at Texas Stadium when the team
was playing the Knights, the Red and the Excuse you,
the Red and the Yellow team, and uh, there's a
casting call. I went down there with three of my friends.
It took pictures, you pulled out a questionnaire. I got
called back and I went there at nine in the
(10:21):
morning one day and sat around for about five hours,
and then I got called in and I was in
a scene where it's it's a brief scene. It doesn't
happen long, but it's basically the John c McGinley reporter character.
He is getting apologized to by Al Pacino. His Mechino
would pushed him and he hit his head or something.
So I was in a scene technically, although you don't
(10:42):
see or hear me, I was in the scene with
Al Pacino, John c McGinley, Charlton Heston, and Cameron Diaz
and maybe a few others. But yeah, I was there
for that. Okay, another this is who I'm kind of
leaning on now is my choice, but I'm open to
being overruled and well, listen to anything you have. But
(11:02):
I don't know the name of the guy because I
I kind of think it's a corny movie, but purely
based on what he was able to do, the Warren
Baty character from Heaven Can Wait, because it basically could
do anything that that guy could do, and he was
a good quarterback. So that's who I'm gonna lean on.
But it's a weak choice. I think my wild card
choice is gonna be better. Do you have somebody that
you want to overrule that with, because I kind of
(11:22):
like to be overruled this one.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, there a couple of ways to go now.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
First of all, if I remember correctly, Alvin Mack also
played wide receiver in unnecessary roughness, but he was a
bad handed receiver, so not not totally not totally down
with that, Okay. I thought about Bill Bellamy's character in
any given Sunday played wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
He was a true number one.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He was a true number one wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Now, if we thought about wide receiver now, I think
the wide receiver group for the Texans we talked about this.
I think it's gonna be better than people think. Obviously,
health in age or two different things, or two different things,
but two important things. Because Robert Woods up there in
age a little bit. Nico Collins has not been healthy.
But those two guys are healthy. I thought about he's
(12:13):
a little bit of a wild card, but I thought
Tweeter from Varsity Blues, he's pretty productive, dude. He was
Jonathan Moxon's go to receiver in crunch time. So Tweeter
at wide receivers one to think about. Here's another one.
Darnell Jefferson from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Not a football movie.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
No, he counts a but football player.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
It's a football Yes. He was outstanding and when his
car got trashed, he went to a different level of crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So you just have to crash his trash his car.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Right, trash his car every single week and then paint
on there. Hey, Lamar Jackson is the best, and you know,
really make it mad before the opener against the Ravens.
So at that point you could have Darnell Jefferson, Bouchet
and Alvin Mack. Somebody would get hurt against that defense.
That that would be That would be pretty fun, uh
to think about. At that point. So darnl Jefferson Tweeter.
(13:11):
Those are two that I was thinking about.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, let me come back with one. I've just this
on the fly, bringing up the wide receiver. This guy's
a true number one. He's hungry. He has gotten paid,
but he's still hungry, and he's he's seeing none some
good life perspective that's changed things. He's got a great agent.
We're talking about, of course, a sun devil, Rod Tidwell
(13:35):
from the movie Jerry Maguire. I think we got to
add that guy.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I think, yeah, I think Tidwell probably moves up to
the top of the list.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And I'll be able to satisfy your I'll scratch that
itch you had with uh with Jefferson, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna pump it up a little more with my
wild card here in a second. But let's add Rod
tidwelly to have a BONI five, no doubt about it,
number one receiver on this team with I mean guys
who are really going to show some things. We think
this wide receiver corps for twenty twenty three with the Texans.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Anyways, you like that, I'm good with that. The other.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
The other I would think about by the way, you know,
I think I think he was Darnell Jefferson as well
in the program. Yeah, Darnell Jefferson, do it all return
guy running back out of the back of it. Now
we do have Devin Singletary, so he's kind of the
Darnell Jefferson But I always love Darnell Jefferson in the program.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But I think we kind of have that taken care of.
So I'm okay with that. I'm alright with that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So we're adding these three guys. Bobby Bouche he's gonna
play both ways, but primarily at linebacker. Yep, Alvin Mack, Yes,
it's gonna be a stud for us on defense. And
then we add our number one, bona Fide Roble wide
receiver and Rod Tidwell. He's gonna go over the middle.
He's tough, makes catches. He's gonna provide wisdom and perspective
(14:55):
for these young kids.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Joe Pendleton, Joe Pendleton, that was his name. And Heavy
cauld Wait that was Warren Beaty's name. That bothered me
for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Sorry, Yeah, thats a goofy movie. It's hey, it was good. Yeah, yeah,
all right. When I hosted the Mike Leach TV show
in Lubbock, Uh huh. We would ask him fans from
questions that had gotten emailed in, and you got stuff
off the wall back in those days. One famously was, uh, hey,
(15:25):
where should I take a girl on a first.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Date here in Lubbock. Yeah, that one that went viral.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Leach went off and I'd said some good stuff and
got Tiger to a Stike house because she just dates salad,
she's not a deeper. And uh yeah, he was great.
One time somebody asked him, if you could add any
Star Wars character to your team, why would it beat you, Baka?
And what what would his position be? And Leech was smart.
(15:52):
He said, I'd play him at left tackle, but he's
so strong and so big and so fast. He could
do so much. I'd play him at defensive end too.
He could play both ways. So we're gonna add Chewbacca
to this team. He's gonna wreck shop even more so
than your option there at the end.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Baka playing left tackle and one spot on the defensive line.
I'm okay with that, And the fact that Leach entertained
that question, which leads me to this question because sometimes
it happens on in the lab. Texas Tech is gonna
recognize Mike Leach and Cliff Kingsbury on the same day.
I guess it's going to be an open week for
USC because that's where Cliff is. Now, how do you
(16:31):
think Mike Leach, unfortunately the pirate has passed away.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
How do you think Mike Leach would responded to that?
If Texas Tech had asked him, he would have liked that.
He you know, I think he would have kind of
dropped everything that had happened and been like about that.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know about that, but he he remembers Lubbock
and Texas Tech fondly, aside from the stuff about his
final year there with payment, and I think his his
beef is was mainly with one guy and a few
of the guys around him, not the Texas Tech Red
Raider community as a whole. Now, listen, I'm I'm kind
(17:08):
of an outsider at this point, so I don't want
to pretend like I'm you know, I got the inside juice.
But the times I saw him since I left in
two thousand and nine, and I saw him probably up
five or six times in chit chatted with him and
you and I, you know, you were in the office
at the time. I had a nice long conversation with
him on the phone. He loved Texas Tech. In fact,
at the Las Vegas Draft when the Texans took Stingley
and Kenyon Green a year ago, he was there because
(17:30):
Charles Cross drafted in the top ten by Seattle. That
was his left tackle at Mississippi State. So he would
go to the draft when he had guys who were
there at the draft, probably going to the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And that's what happened. Saw him, Hey, great to see you.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Was we were chit chatting and one of his neighbors
from his time in Washington State was at the draft.
So Leach was at Mississippi State, but this was a
good friend of his that had been a neighbor and
in the introductions they just said, hey, great to meet you.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I hosted his TV show from two thousand and five
through two thousand and eight in Lubbock, and I just
kind of, I casually said, we had some fun times
and Leech was watching and absorbing and he just kind
of had his coffee like he always did, kind of
close and he was like, those were some fun tom So,
(18:18):
just the most he's been on record in addition to
what I just said, he's been on record about saying,
you know, talking about his love for Texas Tech and
all things Red Raiders. So yeah, I'm happy he's going in.
I wish it would have happened while he was alive,
you know, I thought about it. This year I finally
was a head coach of a baseball team.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was my seven year old's baseball team this spring.
And Leech, that's how he got to started coaching. He
coached little league baseball when he was I think in
high school, so he coached these younger kids, and he
I think he did it a few times throughout his life.
But I wanted to call him up early in the
season and ask him a few things and bounce some
ideas off him, because I tried to integrate some of
(18:59):
what I'd seen it his football practices into what I
did as a head coach. And mainly it was he
didn't want anybody standing around. And that's especially that's that
is you're asking for it with little kids, because then
they started going bats and they you know, their horse
play yep. But he made a very efficient use of
everyone's time on the football field, and I tried to
(19:19):
do that on the baseball field.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It's interesting, you said, because that was my number one goal.
I never wanted people standing around ever. That was and
I remember when I coached the junior high team, which
was one year seventh eighth grade, then the next year
it was seventh, eighth and ninth, and that was that
was a challenge, especially we had the three years because
a lot of seventh graders are playing football for the
first time.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So I'm like, Okay, how do I get them involved?
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
And so you know, you've seen teams now do this
two spot drill in the NFL, where you know one side,
you know you got offense going against a defense, offense
going against a defense, so you can get more reps
for both sides, and I kind of came up with
something similar to that. I would take one of my
coaches in the say, hey, take this this group down
there and work these drills. So make to make sure
(20:04):
these guys are moving and all that kind of stuff,
and then I would kind of work with more the
the starters for that particular period and then we would
flip one day. Then I would go down with the
younger guys and then I would let them run with
the older guys. But that is that is the death
knell of younger kids, just boredom and just standing around.
And the the less standing around they can do, the
(20:26):
more moving you got. You could do a shorter practice
and still get more out of it, and that's better
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So, uh, Leach is absolutely dead on about that. Is
make sure everybody.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Knows where they're going, keep everybody moving, and especially in baseball,
just keep kids from slinging a background. God only knows
where where that's going to end up. But yeah, would
have been Leach would have been a perfect role model
for that.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I would have loved to have heard what he said,
because I guarantee I would have walked away with at
least three totally great.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Ideas totally yeah, maybe probably more.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And my season went well, but it was because we
had great kids. I don't want to pretend like Billy
Martin or anything. We had been really good players and
you know they'd reference who knows who Billy Martin is? Yeah,
I knew you would, yeah, of course, but yeah it
was fun. Well, Uh, okay, the Texans are better now
because they've added Chewbacca, they've had a Bobby Bouchet, they've
added Rod Tidwell, and they've added Alvin Mack. Those are
four high impact players we're gonna make the twenty twenty
(21:23):
three Texans better. John, I can't wait to do this
again with you in two weeks after the July fourth.
Great does that sound good?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Sounds all right?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
This has been Texans in the Lab.
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