July 19, 2023 • 20 mins
J.J. Watt is joining Andre Johnson and Bob McNair in the Texans Ring of Honor. But who's next? Drew Dougherty of Texans TV discussed this with Team Analyst/Radio Sideline Reporter John Harris.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things to Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Here's Drew Texan's in the lab right now, Drew Doherty,
John Harris on Johnny's one of the last in the
labs for really the season starts, because next week the
season starts training camp. I know there's no games, but
that's football season. Season really started, I think with the
draft really before that, with off season conditioning. But anyways,
(00:35):
how you doing, dude.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Uh yeah, I didn't agree with you.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I usually think the season starts when everybody gets back
in the building for conditioning. That's so April, and then
you have this break that the players and the coaches
and you know, football staff have been on. Football ops
have been on since June. Now, not everybody takes the
full break. Seen a lot of players in the building.
There's some that are rehabit injuries. But I think it
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starts back in April, and then training camp is just
training camp is just the celebration of Okay, seasons almost here.
And I always have this moment, you know, I was
up in the press box the other day and I
was just looking down and they're getting the practice area
all set up with bleachers and the coverings and all
(01:20):
that kind of stuff, and you're like, man, it all
goes so fast. Like man, we're all the way to
training camp already, Like we've wanted this to happen. Yeah,
we've all wanted training camp to be here, right, We're
all excited about what this team could possibly do. And
I'm not sitting here complaining about it, but it's like,
oh my god, I think it got here faster than
I wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I would like one more week, Just give me one
more week and.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Then I feel like I could get a lot of
things accomplished before that week.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, warp speed, it got here. All right, let's talk
about this. I do, Dear Drew. I answer questions in
a mill bag. Yes, and many of the questions that
I got this latest round have to do with the
Ring of Honor. He's going in. Yep, he'll join Andre Johnson,
the first guy who went in and Bob McNair. Now listen,
(02:06):
Andre Johnson belongs to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
He'll get there someday. You and I have discussed this
at length, but it's good to remind people Andre Johnson
belongs to the.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, Bob McNair brought football pro football back to Houston
after about four or five year hiatus, and he was
the guy who kind of made things happen, and we
would you and I would not be sitting here doing
this job working for Bob McNair. Third guy who goes
in JJ Watt JJ, three time Defensive Player of the Year,
multi time All Pro, one hundred sacks plus going.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Into the Pro Football Hall of Fame someday. Correct.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So the question I got was when's Arian Foster getting in?
Who else is going to get in to this ring
of honor? Now, if you just answer without hearing what
the kind of the folks who decide this say, you
might be like, oh, yeah, he gets in, he gets in.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
This guy's in.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But back in mid June, Cal and Hannah McNair were
on In the Loop with Landry Locker John Lopez and
they spoke at length about this, and they were asked
about it, and Hannah said, from here on, it's got
to be Super Bowls. People who are involved in getting
to a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl, because
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that means you've got some good players that have come Sure,
and or she didn't say this, but I'm also thinking,
if you've got a guy who's going to be in
the Hall of Fame, he'll probably get into the Ring
of Honor too correct and then Cal said, a lot
of times we go to these stadiums on the road
and there'll be a Ring of Honor, a circle of
whatever induction and you look up and you don't know
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half of the names, he said, So it's got to
be somebody who really really resonates. So with that in mind,
Arion was was phenomenal for the Texans for really, really
good years. But I think he's he falls short. I
don't see him getting in anytime soon. I think the
only john, the only guy I could see maybe getting
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into the Ring of Honor that has played for the
Texans and is not playing for them right now is
DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And we all know what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He just signed with the Titans. In his seven years here,
so think about that, he played seven seasons with the
Texans thirteen through nineteen. Average better than twelve hundred yards
was outstanding. His worst season was his rookie season when
he had eight hundred yards as a rookie in the
wreckage of a two and fourteen campaign at twenty thirteen,
but he was.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think he's probably if he's gonna make the Hall
of Fame, he's probably got to string together a few
more really good years. And I think if he does that,
think about that. I think if he has more good
years with the Titans or wherever, then I think the
Texans Ring of Honor becomes a possibility. But based off
of what I heard the McNair say, I think the
next Ring of Honor guys are either on the team
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now or will be in the future.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
What do you think I thought?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I tend to agree with you. Whenever people bring up
Ring of Honor and that kind of thing. You know,
it's fun to talk about in certain respects, it's also
frustrating to talk about because you don't want to minimize, obviously,
in what players have done.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You talk about Aaron Foster, you know, well, why is
it he in the Ring of Honor?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And then you got to turn around and go, well,
you know, he did it for a short period of time,
and fourteen right, it was really four years is that enough?
I think to me, the most successful rings of honor,
whatever you want to call it, jerseys and the rafters
whatever I feel like, was University of North Carolina basketball.
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University of North Carolina. They had a formula. Now I
don't know that I know the formula extremely well, but
if I remember it, it was something the extent of
if you were a first team All American, if you
were a unanimous if you were a unanimous or consensus
All American, or you were the Wooden Player of the Year.
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There were different criterion that they used for their players
to put their jerseys in the rafters. If you went
into the College Basketball of Fame, you went up there.
So that's the way your jersey were going to rafters.
Now they never retired, No, I don't know if they've
retired jerseys.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think they have retired a few.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Uh, the Texans, they've said, you Canna said, they're not
going to retire number right, So eighty not gonna get retired,
ninety nine not gonna get retired. However, I don't think
you're going to see anybody wearing these.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Here's what I would like to see.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Here's what I would like to see if you go
into the Ring of Honor, Andre and JJ would be
the you know those you know two to three.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Obviously Bob didn't wear a jersey. I wish you did.
It'd be interesting, you know what number Bob would have chosen.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But anyways, I feel like what I'd love to do
is for Andre Johnson and and JJ if there's a
player that comes in that those two feel like deserve
the honor of wearing it, like you know, eighty eight
with the Dallas Cops.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I hate to use as example, but I think it's
a example.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Drew Pearson Woret, the Michael Irvin Warret, that's Bryant Warret.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now see Lamb, where's it? It's becoming that Antonio right
he did.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
There's been kind of a there's there there's a good
badge of honor that goes with wearing that jersey, and
so maybe that's what they do with when it comes
to jerseys. But I think in the Ring of Honor,
maybe the best thing to do would be to come
up with a particular formula. And I don't know how
exactly you come up with that, because you have to
account for, you know, shorter periods of dominance, like for example,
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Arion was dominant for four years. You know, eighty percent
of those years he gets a Pro Bowl. You know,
he goes to you know, say he went to four
Pro Bowls in five seasons. You know, eighty percent of
his years they go to Pro Bowl or your name
to and All Pro Team three times. So I don't know,
you come up with some sort of formula in which
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you get recognized in the Ring of Honor, and you
could set that formula for how whatever you want it
to be. Now to the McNair's point about you don't
want in some sense your Ring of Honor to be diluted.
You don't want everybody and their brother going up there.
So you can make that a pretty strict for him.
But then you kind of take the decision making and
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the the controversy, well, why did this guy get into
this guy didn't. And trust me when I say there
are Ardent fans in the University of North Carolina basketball.
There are Arden fans in the University North Carolina basketball.
But they all understood, well, that guy's why is that
guy doesn't have his jersey draft as well. He wasn't
a first team All American, We didn't lead the team
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scoring he didn't they whatever the formula, everybody knows what
it is, and the fans all know, so they know
that they don't have to ask that question, why is
such and such not up there?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, you know, you know what the formula is.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
So at that point maybe and look for us content
driven people, it's awesome, Hey talk about Jonathan Joseph, why
he deserves or dozens. It's so hard for us because
we know these guys, we know very well, and I
don't want to make a case against any of these
guys from going into the the Ring of Honor. But
to keep that ring of honor at that high level,
(09:12):
I think almost the discussion point becomes actually pretty pretty easy.
Like JJ three time defensive player. They here, he is
gonna be the first bout Hall of Famer. Andre is
going to go into the Hall of Fame. You know
the two players that are in that Ring of honor.
And now, of course Bob is number one, first and foremost,
because none of this happens without he and his wife
and nig Theair family have a formula. But we don't
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know this guy's going into the Hall of Fame. But
I don't know, Maybe you have some sort of way
of doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
DeAndre is going to be a very interesting case for
a number of things. Ring of Honor here, Hall of Fame.
I think he should go into Canton. If he does
go in to Canton, he's done the majority of that
work here in Houston. I think he you know, and
he lives in Houston. Go open the Ring of Honor
and have no issue with that, well whatsoever. But I
think that's the standard that you say. If you want
to make it, you want to make it the easiest
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standard ever. Go with the standard. When this player walked
into every other building in the league, did those fans
know who that was and who he was? Could every
single fan that walked in to lambeau Field know who
Andre Johnson was?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Did every fan that walked into I don't know, met
Life know who JJ Watt was?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah? And that's that's not the total baseline, but.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, because what see by that baseline you could I
think Arion Foster fill into that. I think I want
to underscore what you just said a moment ago, like
we're not arguing against, but we're saying based on what
we've heard the mcnaires say publicly, it sounds like, that's
what the that's what the criteria is. You know, it
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sounds like he falls short of that criteria.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
One thing about Arion, I just pulled this back up.
He played in four postseason games with the Texans. You
forget how lights out that guy was.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, I'll tell you about the I tell you about
the the vortex I went down.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well, let me just spout the numbers for you. So
one hundred and fifty three yards, one hundred and thirty
two yards, one hundred and forty yards, ninety yards, so
one game he didn't crack one hundred, so we averaged
one hundred and twenty nine yards in the playoffs. Ran
for a touchdown in every single playoff game. He played
two in the first one, so five total touchdowns on
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the ground. He also caught a touchdown pass and so
six touchdowns in four games, one hundred and twenty nine
yards on the ground. He was awesome, man, he was really, really,
really good in the postseason. Wow, would have loved to see,
you know, like, if he makes if he gets a tech,
if the Texans get to a Super Bowl in one
of those years, I bet you he winds up in
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that Ring of Honor because it would have meant he
had had some monstrous game.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He probably had, He would have had a Larry Fitzgerald
two thousand and eight type run.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And I bet Andre Johnson's in the Hall of Fame easily,
oh without question, because of because then the absolutely the
larger public sees what a specimen and what a force
Andre Johnson.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Was if you, as a player can have that run
in the playoffs. I think of Fitzgerald in two thousand
and eight, but let's say the twenty eleven team arians
had those two games, one against the Bengals, one against
the Ravens. Then he has one like that against the Patriots,
and all of a sudden, you're on it too the
Super Bowl at that point and you're playing in You're
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playing at Lucas Oil against the New York Giants, and
he has another game of that magnitude, whether they win
the Super Bowl or not. Like Larry Fitzgerald, I think
it's a great Larry Fitzgerald's a test case in some
sense because yeah, he went to pitt he got second
the Heisman in two thousand and three, so he moves
on to Arizona. Arizona really hadn't done a whole lot,
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but to have this run in two thousand and eight,
and because of that run, it because he was tremendous
in that run every single game, Larry Fitzgerald will.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Be a first bout Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, because you make a case said Larry Fitzgerald is
better than Andre Johnson, or Andre Johnson was better than
Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, you could go either way on that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
But Larry Fitzgerald's a slammed up because in two thousand
and eight, when they got the time, when they made
the run all the way through the playoffs, that's what
people saw. Everybody in the country saw that run, and
Larry Fitzgerald became a household name at that point. And
I think it's a shame that the Texans couldn't make
a run all the way through to the Super Bowl
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in one of those years, because Aaron Foster or Andrey
Johnson would obviously fall into that category as well. So
speaking of Aaron, this is probably probably a couple of
months ago. Drew, I've now gotten to a point where
I don't really watch live TV.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm kind of removed from it.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So the only thing I really watched on live TV
is like on Monday night, if there's just a show
I can put on, just have a noise in the
background as I'm doing work, I'll do that. But for
the most part, I watch it. So I go to
YouTube a lot of times. And so I was on YouTube,
and I don't know what. YouTube follows an algorithm, so
you click on one thing and the next thing, you know,
like if you kick on you click on how am
(14:10):
I going to make this girl chicken breast? All of
a sudden you got twenty five videos of how you
you know, what you do.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
With the chicken breast?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So I must have clicked on something and all of
a sudden, these different videos popped up. And then one
popped up for Arion Foster and it's on an account
NFL Throwback. The NFL Throwback does a really good job.
I think it's affiliated with the NFL films. I'm not
totally sure, but they just do nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But they did.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
They did like a thirty minute Priest Holmes video that
I watched all the way through. I'm like, this is brilliant,
and talked about how Priest Holmes was so dominant in
this short period, kind of like Arian.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Ski teammate Priest films of nd Kalud.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, so the Arion. So they have highlights and so
I'm not it's not like just spotty.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It's highlights from every game he played in throughout his career.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's twenty five minutes long and I'm just sitting watching
best runs.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Basically.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
It's runs, it's catches, it's some you know, it's some
of his interviews. A couple of his interviews I think
are in the it's really it's exceptional. Yeah, and it's
just you like, Wow, I'm scratching my head, going, holy cow,
he's so good in this year. And then you realize,
oh wait, the highlights for twenty thirteen were pretty short.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Ooh, ten eleven really long.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
And twelve and then they showed one highlight, one highlight
of twenty sixteen with the Dolphins, just one. That was it,
and that just showed you Ten eleven tremendous, twelve, banged up,
thirteen really short.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Fourteen.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I thought in fourteen it was my first year down
the sidelines, I thought he was he was incredible.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And hold on, he was really really good. In twelve
I thought he was.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
He like led the he led the NFA eleven, twelve. Yeah,
so thirteen was here, Okay, my bad. Thirteen was hurt,
so highlight short. But then fourteen and I'm watching all
these years after, you know, that'd being my first year
on the sideline, and I'm remembering, my god, how good
he was.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
He was he? I mean, he made a catch against
the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
They ran him on a wheel route against the Eagles,
and I think that was battle Red Sunday and run
him out on a wheel route and a throw it's
kind of perfect and kind of not all at the
same time, like he's got to avoid I think it
was Connor Barber want coverage actually, and so he's got
a step on a defender whoever it was, and the
ball is low. It's like it's near his shoe tops,
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but Arian goes down and catches it at his shoe
tops without sliding, without falling at his shoe tops, never
broke stride.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Sugar guy at the five yard line goes in the
end zone for a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
And I remember seeing that live, going well, that was
really impressive, and seeing it again and again and seeing
it nine years later, going oh my god, he was tremendous.
It is really have an appreciation for him down the road.
And look, maybe that's that's a part of this too.
Maybe the appreciation for a player happens, you know, down
the road with time, you go back and you tell
all these you know, tremendous stories about these particular players,
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and you know, maybe you go, wait a second, hey,
that I think that person should be in the Ring
of Honor. Look, it's really up to a couple of
a couple of people in one family to decide who's
going to go into the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But you know, you can go one way and just
have a strict formula, where you go.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Another way and kind of come up with a more
subjective way of doing it. But either way, there'll be
a few minute that go up there in the Ring
of Honor. Hopefully and hopefully, holding to what the Manaire said,
hopefully there are super Bowls in the future, guys that
help drive them to a super Bowl will go up
in that Ring of honor.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
All right, So, since we were talking about Arian Foster,
today's Twitter question is what was your favorite Arian Foster touchdown?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Favorite Arian Foster? Oh? I got one, I got one,
I got one. This is this is.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Gonna be the most unsexy thing ever. Right twenty fourteen
went to Jacksonville, and it was a game in which
I think the Texans won by a couple of touchdowns
in the end. It was I can't remember that the
final score, but I know the Texans ended up winning
because they'd.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Be Jacksonville ever up until this past year.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It's fourth and one on a goal line, fourth and
goal from like the one, maybe I'll just outside the one.
Billy Brown decided to go for it, and he sided
the handleball to Aaron Foster and it plays dead completely
totally to the right.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Dead to the right.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
He somehow wiggles out of a tackle, stops on a dime,
cuts completely back the other way, and then saunters into
the end zone. And I remember thinking, this guy is
the best receiving running back I've ever seen. He's the
best zone running back I've ever seen. And I don't
think it's arguable that he's the best short yardage back
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the Texans have ever had. Yeah, he was tremendous in
the short yardage. It wasn't because he was gonna run
people over. He had a knack of just finding a
little bit of space making that cut. But he was
getting in that end zone. In twenty fourteen, he was
getting in that end zone on that play and I'm
staying it right there at the goal line and I
see it, I'm like, well, my first reactions, oh, pleep,
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because I can see how they penetrated on that side,
and I'm like, this play is dead. It's dead. And
he made it right somehow, and that to me is
the great ones. The great ones make it right.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That was a good one.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I liked twenty eleven here at home against Pittsburgh and
he breaks free over the toush down.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's a long one.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You see Troy Polamalu and dove and miss him.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So yeah, that was mine. This has been in the lab.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Had fun talking with the Johnny
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things to Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Here's Drew Texan's in the lab right now, Drew Doherty,
John Harris on Johnny's one of the last in the
labs for really the season starts, because next week the
season starts training camp. I know there's no games, but
that's football season. Season really started, I think with the
draft really before that, with off season conditioning. But anyways,
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how you doing, dude.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Uh yeah, I didn't agree with you.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I usually think the season starts when everybody gets back
in the building for conditioning. That's so April, and then
you have this break that the players and the coaches
and you know, football staff have been on. Football ops
have been on since June. Now, not everybody takes the
full break. Seen a lot of players in the building.
There's some that are rehabit injuries. But I think it
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starts back in April, and then training camp is just
training camp is just the celebration of Okay, seasons almost here.
And I always have this moment, you know, I was
up in the press box the other day and I
was just looking down and they're getting the practice area
all set up with bleachers and the coverings and all
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that kind of stuff, and you're like, man, it all
goes so fast. Like man, we're all the way to
training camp already, Like we've wanted this to happen. Yeah,
we've all wanted training camp to be here, right, We're
all excited about what this team could possibly do. And
I'm not sitting here complaining about it, but it's like,
oh my god, I think it got here faster than
I wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I would like one more week, Just give me one
more week and.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Then I feel like I could get a lot of
things accomplished before that week.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, warp speed, it got here. All right, let's talk
about this. I do, Dear Drew. I answer questions in
a mill bag. Yes, and many of the questions that
I got this latest round have to do with the
Ring of Honor. He's going in. Yep, he'll join Andre Johnson,
the first guy who went in and Bob McNair. Now listen,
(02:06):
Andre Johnson belongs to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
He'll get there someday. You and I have discussed this
at length, but it's good to remind people Andre Johnson
belongs to the.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, Bob McNair brought football pro football back to Houston
after about four or five year hiatus, and he was
the guy who kind of made things happen, and we
would you and I would not be sitting here doing
this job working for Bob McNair. Third guy who goes
in JJ Watt JJ, three time Defensive Player of the Year,
multi time All Pro, one hundred sacks plus going.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Into the Pro Football Hall of Fame someday. Correct.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So the question I got was when's Arian Foster getting in?
Who else is going to get in to this ring
of honor? Now, if you just answer without hearing what
the kind of the folks who decide this say, you
might be like, oh, yeah, he gets in, he gets in.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
This guy's in.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But back in mid June, Cal and Hannah McNair were
on In the Loop with Landry Locker John Lopez and
they spoke at length about this, and they were asked
about it, and Hannah said, from here on, it's got
to be Super Bowls. People who are involved in getting
to a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl, because
(03:18):
that means you've got some good players that have come Sure,
and or she didn't say this, but I'm also thinking,
if you've got a guy who's going to be in
the Hall of Fame, he'll probably get into the Ring
of Honor too correct and then Cal said, a lot
of times we go to these stadiums on the road
and there'll be a Ring of Honor, a circle of
whatever induction and you look up and you don't know
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half of the names, he said, So it's got to
be somebody who really really resonates. So with that in mind,
Arion was was phenomenal for the Texans for really, really
good years. But I think he's he falls short. I
don't see him getting in anytime soon. I think the
only john, the only guy I could see maybe getting
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into the Ring of Honor that has played for the
Texans and is not playing for them right now is
DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And we all know what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He just signed with the Titans. In his seven years here,
so think about that, he played seven seasons with the
Texans thirteen through nineteen. Average better than twelve hundred yards
was outstanding. His worst season was his rookie season when
he had eight hundred yards as a rookie in the
wreckage of a two and fourteen campaign at twenty thirteen,
but he was.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think he's probably if he's gonna make the Hall
of Fame, he's probably got to string together a few
more really good years. And I think if he does that,
think about that. I think if he has more good
years with the Titans or wherever, then I think the
Texans Ring of Honor becomes a possibility. But based off
of what I heard the McNair say, I think the
next Ring of Honor guys are either on the team
(04:53):
now or will be in the future.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
What do you think I thought?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I tend to agree with you. Whenever people bring up
Ring of Honor and that kind of thing. You know,
it's fun to talk about in certain respects, it's also
frustrating to talk about because you don't want to minimize, obviously,
in what players have done.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You talk about Aaron Foster, you know, well, why is
it he in the Ring of Honor?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And then you got to turn around and go, well,
you know, he did it for a short period of time,
and fourteen right, it was really four years is that enough?
I think to me, the most successful rings of honor,
whatever you want to call it, jerseys and the rafters
whatever I feel like, was University of North Carolina basketball.
(05:37):
University of North Carolina. They had a formula. Now I
don't know that I know the formula extremely well, but
if I remember it, it was something the extent of
if you were a first team All American, if you
were a unanimous if you were a unanimous or consensus
All American, or you were the Wooden Player of the Year.
(06:00):
There were different criterion that they used for their players
to put their jerseys in the rafters. If you went
into the College Basketball of Fame, you went up there.
So that's the way your jersey were going to rafters.
Now they never retired, No, I don't know if they've
retired jerseys.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think they have retired a few.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Uh, the Texans, they've said, you Canna said, they're not
going to retire number right, So eighty not gonna get retired,
ninety nine not gonna get retired. However, I don't think
you're going to see anybody wearing these.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Here's what I would like to see.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Here's what I would like to see if you go
into the Ring of Honor, Andre and JJ would be
the you know those you know two to three.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Obviously Bob didn't wear a jersey. I wish you did.
It'd be interesting, you know what number Bob would have chosen.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But anyways, I feel like what I'd love to do
is for Andre Johnson and and JJ if there's a
player that comes in that those two feel like deserve
the honor of wearing it, like you know, eighty eight
with the Dallas Cops.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I hate to use as example, but I think it's
a example.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Drew Pearson Woret, the Michael Irvin Warret, that's Bryant Warret.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now see Lamb, where's it? It's becoming that Antonio right
he did.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
There's been kind of a there's there there's a good
badge of honor that goes with wearing that jersey, and
so maybe that's what they do with when it comes
to jerseys. But I think in the Ring of Honor,
maybe the best thing to do would be to come
up with a particular formula. And I don't know how
exactly you come up with that, because you have to
account for, you know, shorter periods of dominance, like for example,
(07:31):
Arion was dominant for four years. You know, eighty percent
of those years he gets a Pro Bowl. You know,
he goes to you know, say he went to four
Pro Bowls in five seasons. You know, eighty percent of
his years they go to Pro Bowl or your name
to and All Pro Team three times. So I don't know,
you come up with some sort of formula in which
(07:53):
you get recognized in the Ring of Honor, and you
could set that formula for how whatever you want it
to be. Now to the McNair's point about you don't
want in some sense your Ring of Honor to be diluted.
You don't want everybody and their brother going up there.
So you can make that a pretty strict for him.
But then you kind of take the decision making and
(08:15):
the the controversy, well, why did this guy get into
this guy didn't. And trust me when I say there
are Ardent fans in the University of North Carolina basketball.
There are Arden fans in the University North Carolina basketball.
But they all understood, well, that guy's why is that
guy doesn't have his jersey draft as well. He wasn't
a first team All American, We didn't lead the team
(08:36):
scoring he didn't they whatever the formula, everybody knows what
it is, and the fans all know, so they know
that they don't have to ask that question, why is
such and such not up there?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, you know, you know what the formula is.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
So at that point maybe and look for us content
driven people, it's awesome, Hey talk about Jonathan Joseph, why
he deserves or dozens. It's so hard for us because
we know these guys, we know very well, and I
don't want to make a case against any of these
guys from going into the the Ring of Honor. But
to keep that ring of honor at that high level,
(09:12):
I think almost the discussion point becomes actually pretty pretty easy.
Like JJ three time defensive player. They here, he is
gonna be the first bout Hall of Famer. Andre is
going to go into the Hall of Fame. You know
the two players that are in that Ring of honor.
And now, of course Bob is number one, first and foremost,
because none of this happens without he and his wife
and nig Theair family have a formula. But we don't
(09:33):
know this guy's going into the Hall of Fame. But
I don't know, Maybe you have some sort of way
of doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
DeAndre is going to be a very interesting case for
a number of things. Ring of Honor here, Hall of Fame.
I think he should go into Canton. If he does
go in to Canton, he's done the majority of that
work here in Houston. I think he you know, and
he lives in Houston. Go open the Ring of Honor
and have no issue with that, well whatsoever. But I
think that's the standard that you say. If you want
to make it, you want to make it the easiest
(10:02):
standard ever. Go with the standard. When this player walked
into every other building in the league, did those fans
know who that was and who he was? Could every
single fan that walked in to lambeau Field know who
Andre Johnson was?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Did every fan that walked into I don't know, met
Life know who JJ Watt was?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah? And that's that's not the total baseline, but.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, because what see by that baseline you could I
think Arion Foster fill into that. I think I want
to underscore what you just said a moment ago, like
we're not arguing against, but we're saying based on what
we've heard the mcnaires say publicly, it sounds like, that's
what the that's what the criteria is. You know, it
(10:47):
sounds like he falls short of that criteria.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
One thing about Arion, I just pulled this back up.
He played in four postseason games with the Texans. You
forget how lights out that guy was.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, I'll tell you about the I tell you about
the the vortex I went down.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well, let me just spout the numbers for you. So
one hundred and fifty three yards, one hundred and thirty
two yards, one hundred and forty yards, ninety yards, so
one game he didn't crack one hundred, so we averaged
one hundred and twenty nine yards in the playoffs. Ran
for a touchdown in every single playoff game. He played
two in the first one, so five total touchdowns on
(11:26):
the ground. He also caught a touchdown pass and so
six touchdowns in four games, one hundred and twenty nine
yards on the ground. He was awesome, man, he was really, really,
really good in the postseason. Wow, would have loved to see,
you know, like, if he makes if he gets a tech,
if the Texans get to a Super Bowl in one
of those years, I bet you he winds up in
(11:47):
that Ring of Honor because it would have meant he
had had some monstrous game.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He probably had, He would have had a Larry Fitzgerald
two thousand and eight type run.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And I bet Andre Johnson's in the Hall of Fame easily,
oh without question, because of because then the absolutely the
larger public sees what a specimen and what a force
Andre Johnson.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Was if you, as a player can have that run
in the playoffs. I think of Fitzgerald in two thousand
and eight, but let's say the twenty eleven team arians
had those two games, one against the Bengals, one against
the Ravens. Then he has one like that against the Patriots,
and all of a sudden, you're on it too the
Super Bowl at that point and you're playing in You're
(12:32):
playing at Lucas Oil against the New York Giants, and
he has another game of that magnitude, whether they win
the Super Bowl or not. Like Larry Fitzgerald, I think
it's a great Larry Fitzgerald's a test case in some
sense because yeah, he went to pitt he got second
the Heisman in two thousand and three, so he moves
on to Arizona. Arizona really hadn't done a whole lot,
(12:54):
but to have this run in two thousand and eight,
and because of that run, it because he was tremendous
in that run every single game, Larry Fitzgerald will.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Be a first bout Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, because you make a case said Larry Fitzgerald is
better than Andre Johnson, or Andre Johnson was better than
Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, you could go either way on that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
But Larry Fitzgerald's a slammed up because in two thousand
and eight, when they got the time, when they made
the run all the way through the playoffs, that's what
people saw. Everybody in the country saw that run, and
Larry Fitzgerald became a household name at that point. And
I think it's a shame that the Texans couldn't make
a run all the way through to the Super Bowl
(13:30):
in one of those years, because Aaron Foster or Andrey
Johnson would obviously fall into that category as well. So
speaking of Aaron, this is probably probably a couple of
months ago. Drew, I've now gotten to a point where
I don't really watch live TV.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm kind of removed from it.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So the only thing I really watched on live TV
is like on Monday night, if there's just a show
I can put on, just have a noise in the
background as I'm doing work, I'll do that. But for
the most part, I watch it. So I go to
YouTube a lot of times. And so I was on YouTube,
and I don't know what. YouTube follows an algorithm, so
you click on one thing and the next thing, you know,
like if you kick on you click on how am
(14:10):
I going to make this girl chicken breast? All of
a sudden you got twenty five videos of how you
you know, what you do.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
With the chicken breast?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So I must have clicked on something and all of
a sudden, these different videos popped up. And then one
popped up for Arion Foster and it's on an account
NFL Throwback. The NFL Throwback does a really good job.
I think it's affiliated with the NFL films. I'm not
totally sure, but they just do nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But they did.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
They did like a thirty minute Priest Holmes video that
I watched all the way through. I'm like, this is brilliant,
and talked about how Priest Holmes was so dominant in
this short period, kind of like Arian.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Ski teammate Priest films of nd Kalud.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, so the Arion. So they have highlights and so
I'm not it's not like just spotty.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It's highlights from every game he played in throughout his career.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's twenty five minutes long and I'm just sitting watching
best runs.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Basically.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
It's runs, it's catches, it's some you know, it's some
of his interviews. A couple of his interviews I think
are in the it's really it's exceptional. Yeah, and it's
just you like, Wow, I'm scratching my head, going, holy cow,
he's so good in this year. And then you realize,
oh wait, the highlights for twenty thirteen were pretty short.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Ooh, ten eleven really long.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
And twelve and then they showed one highlight, one highlight
of twenty sixteen with the Dolphins, just one. That was it,
and that just showed you Ten eleven tremendous, twelve, banged up,
thirteen really short.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Fourteen.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I thought in fourteen it was my first year down
the sidelines, I thought he was he was incredible.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And hold on, he was really really good. In twelve
I thought he was.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
He like led the he led the NFA eleven, twelve. Yeah,
so thirteen was here, Okay, my bad. Thirteen was hurt,
so highlight short. But then fourteen and I'm watching all
these years after, you know, that'd being my first year
on the sideline, and I'm remembering, my god, how good
he was.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
He was he? I mean, he made a catch against
the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
They ran him on a wheel route against the Eagles,
and I think that was battle Red Sunday and run
him out on a wheel route and a throw it's
kind of perfect and kind of not all at the
same time, like he's got to avoid I think it
was Connor Barber want coverage actually, and so he's got
a step on a defender whoever it was, and the
ball is low. It's like it's near his shoe tops,
(16:38):
but Arian goes down and catches it at his shoe
tops without sliding, without falling at his shoe tops, never
broke stride.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Sugar guy at the five yard line goes in the
end zone for a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
And I remember seeing that live, going well, that was
really impressive, and seeing it again and again and seeing
it nine years later, going oh my god, he was tremendous.
It is really have an appreciation for him down the road.
And look, maybe that's that's a part of this too.
Maybe the appreciation for a player happens, you know, down
the road with time, you go back and you tell
all these you know, tremendous stories about these particular players,
(17:13):
and you know, maybe you go, wait a second, hey,
that I think that person should be in the Ring
of Honor. Look, it's really up to a couple of
a couple of people in one family to decide who's
going to go into the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But you know, you can go one way and just
have a strict formula, where you go.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Another way and kind of come up with a more
subjective way of doing it. But either way, there'll be
a few minute that go up there in the Ring
of Honor. Hopefully and hopefully, holding to what the Manaire said,
hopefully there are super Bowls in the future, guys that
help drive them to a super Bowl will go up
in that Ring of honor.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
All right, So, since we were talking about Arian Foster,
today's Twitter question is what was your favorite Arian Foster touchdown?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Favorite Arian Foster? Oh? I got one, I got one,
I got one. This is this is.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Gonna be the most unsexy thing ever. Right twenty fourteen
went to Jacksonville, and it was a game in which
I think the Texans won by a couple of touchdowns
in the end. It was I can't remember that the
final score, but I know the Texans ended up winning
because they'd.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Be Jacksonville ever up until this past year.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It's fourth and one on a goal line, fourth and
goal from like the one, maybe I'll just outside the one.
Billy Brown decided to go for it, and he sided
the handleball to Aaron Foster and it plays dead completely
totally to the right.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Dead to the right.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
He somehow wiggles out of a tackle, stops on a dime,
cuts completely back the other way, and then saunters into
the end zone. And I remember thinking, this guy is
the best receiving running back I've ever seen. He's the
best zone running back I've ever seen. And I don't
think it's arguable that he's the best short yardage back
(19:00):
the Texans have ever had. Yeah, he was tremendous in
the short yardage. It wasn't because he was gonna run
people over. He had a knack of just finding a
little bit of space making that cut. But he was
getting in that end zone. In twenty fourteen, he was
getting in that end zone on that play and I'm
staying it right there at the goal line and I
see it, I'm like, well, my first reactions, oh, pleep,
(19:21):
because I can see how they penetrated on that side,
and I'm like, this play is dead. It's dead. And
he made it right somehow, and that to me is
the great ones. The great ones make it right.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That was a good one.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I liked twenty eleven here at home against Pittsburgh and
he breaks free over the toush down.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's a long one.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You see Troy Polamalu and dove and miss him.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So yeah, that was mine. This has been in the lab.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Had fun talking with the Johnny
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