June 26, 2025 • 43 mins
On Part 2 of The Colts Show media day podcasts, JJ Stankevitz sits down with cornerback Jaylon Jones (1:25), linebacker Segun Olubi (8:38), defensive tackle DeForest Buckner (13:29), defensive end Kwity Paye (23:48) and wide receiver Ashton Dulin (34:17). JJ and the guys chat about the Pacers & the Indianapolis sports scene, what sport they'd play professionally if football never existed and plenty more, including a Jaylon Jones story about Purdue and DeForest Buckner offering a window into what it's like being Grover Stewart's teammate.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, Colts fans, I'm JJ Sankovitz. Welcome in to another
episode of The Colts Show in Indianapolis Colts Podcast. Today
we have Media Day Part two coming up. I had
interviews with Jalen Jones, Shaiguulubi, DeForest Buckner, with a little
cameo from Grover Stewart, Quitty Pay and Ashton Doolan. Really
fun stuff. You might want to turn the volume down
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a little bit for Bucks interview just you'll see when
you get to that part, but really fun conversations with
these guys. If you missed last week's episode, I talked
to eight guys on day one of our creative content shoot.
Daniel Jones, Nevill Gallimore, Kenny were the Second cam Binham,
Anthony Richardson, Alec Pierce, Justin.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wally, JT.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Twey, Molowil all those guys that I had a chance
to sit down with him on last week's podcast. If
you've missed a couple of our previous episodes, I had
Josh downs on. I had James Franklin on on a
couple of recent episodes. Those are all wherever you get
your podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, any major podcast platform
you can find those episodes on as well. Anyways, let's
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get right to it here. Just real quick housekeeping. There
will not be an episode next week. We are off
for the fourth of July. Then we will be back
in early July with a couple of new episodes before
we get up to training camp, which is going to
be here before you know it, in less than a month. Anyways,
here we go. Here's Media Day, Part two on the
Colt Show. All right, back here at media Day with
Colts cornerback Jalen Jones and I had a conversation with
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you last year in the locker room. We were just
chatting about like your recruiting process, and you told me
you were strongly considering Purdue. This is you were a
five star recruit, right And was it because other schools
were offering you as Like, how did that process go
with considering Purdue as a kid from Texas who's a
five star crew to I'm sure had offers from all
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the big schools in Texas. You obviously wanted an A
and M. But what was that initial connection to Purdue?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Man? It was just in triggering man, knowing that Drew
Brees went there being a Texas guy, basically just like
the conversation with the coaching staff at the time, I
think coach Frum's there or Bron I think it's Brown. Yeah,
coach Brown and yeah, Man, the conversation was good. Had
a good relationship with his son at the time. Man
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would talk about it and things like that. So it
was real cool interesting to see that, you know, like
everybody in the family was, you know, reaching out to me,
and all the coaches staff was reaching out to me,
man and just showing like a real family feel. And
that's why, you know, Purdue was on my radar.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That family feel. Like the game that you remember you
told me you remember watching was that upset over Ohio State, Yeah,
which was the that was the Tyler Trent game if
you remember that. Yeah, the student who had cancer. Uh,
and you know they they won that game for him,
and that was like the ultimate like the Purdue family
coming together, you know, for the for this kid. But like,
what did you know about westlfaat I didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I didn't know nothing about I ain't know really much
about Indiana, and I didn't even know what Purdue was.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
When it offered me.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I had to look it up because I was like Purdue. Like,
of course I've seen like the logo and things like that,
but I never knew where Purdue was. So I had
to look it up and I was like, okay, Indiana,
Like that would be something new, you know what I'm saying.
I had already had took a visit to Ohio State,
so I was kind of familiar with the Midwest and
things like that. So you know, it was just fun,
like fun recruiting process.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And yeah, man, purduees. I mean, honestly, in my top
about top six.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Obviously you wound up in Texas, A and M. But
now you're here in Indiana. What have you learned about
this state? Maybe the city of Indianapolis since you've been here?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Man, Like, sports around here is everything?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Man?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Like just you know, you driving around, you see people's
license place, people you know, repping their schools, whether it's Butler, Purdue, IU,
you know, and I feel like it's a you know,
a prideful state, which I love. Like being from Texas,
you know, you know, they don't mess with Texas slowed
me things like that. So coming to a state where
they're also you know, you know, priv for in their
state was like it was cool to see and just
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learning all the culture, the history of Indianapolis and things
like that. You know, I've been loving my time here
so far.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So have you adopted the Pacers?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Definitely? Definitely. I'm a Spurs fan at heart, That's what I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Going to say. If I thought you'd be a Spurs fan, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
My number one.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
But definitely have adopted the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Uh, you know, just going to the games, being in
that you know, crazy atmosphere, man, and it's seeing a
young squad you know, really get to it. I mean
it's you know, it's motivational for us too. So I'm
about to say it's cool to see.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
How do you go to a game as a fan? Like,
I know you've been to a couple of the playoff games,
Like how do you How do you, as a professional
athlete go to a game as a fan?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I love watching basketball for one, Like basketball is like
my thing. So just going out there, you know, like
just being being in too with the game, being at
too with the fans, man, you know, just getting routy
in the stands, like you know, it's just a fun atmosphere.
I'm a sports guy. I go to baseball games to
do the same exact thing. I'm yelling at the stands
like I just I enjoy it. So just like I said,
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going to the game supporting those guys, you know, us
being professional athletes in the city. Man, it's it's always good.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What baseball games are you going to?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So I'm an Astros fan, but this year I've been
to the Rays game that had played the Rockies, and
then I went to the White Sox game about two
weeks ago. Dad played the Rangers, and I'm not too
fond of the Rangers, so I was glad to see
them lose.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Wait, you went to a White Sox game and they won.
I'm a White Sox fan. They don't win like anything.
I got to get you more games.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
They was hitting. It was hit they was hitting that day.
So it was.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
With this with this team who gives off the most
dad energy on the Indianapolis Colts. Man, Like it's coming
out right after Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So like, yeah, sure, I think I feel like probably probably.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But yeah that's kind of who kind of Most people
have said I say probably, but for sure, just his
veteran presence in that room, even though you know he's
on the D line. You're you're a defensive back. What
does his presence do for that defensive unit? Just the
way that he conducts himself and he goes about his business.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Man, you know, just being the definition of a professional
man and you know comes in day and day out.
Man puts everything into it. And I mean he helps
out his guys man. I mean anything unique can go
to him, you can ask him questions. I mean he
just he just the guy that got to be around.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He really helps his defense, whether his own or off
the field. So it's good to have a guy like
that that you tried onto the field with.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All Right, last one for you, Let's say the sport
of football never existed, it was never invented. Yeah, what
sport are you playing professionally right now?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Man?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Honestly, like I said, I'm I was a huge basketball
kid growing up. I feel like I would have kept
developing my skills. I could have had a chance, definitely.
But people don't know. I was a pretty pretty good
four hundred runner. Like growing up, you know, I stopped
like in high school, I was on all like the
relays and stuff just because you know, I played football.
But like growing up, like the four hundred was my race,
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Like from the time elementary to the time, like about
eighth grade, ninth grade, like running summer track, going to
the Jerialympics, competing and things like that. You know, really
really training for, you know, the four hundred growing up.
So I don't know, man, maybe that could have went somewhere.
It would have been fun to see being the Olympics someday,
you know, gold medalist something like that would have been cool.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So what about that event was like worked for you?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Man?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I feel like, like I love to run clearly, I
mean I do that for a living now, So I
mean just going out there and I feel like the
four hundred is the ultimate like competitive race because you know,
he got the one hundred and two hundred, but those
are so quick it's.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Just a sprint.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, the four hundred is also a sprint, but it's
like who got the wheel to really run a full
lap around that track the fastest you can go, everything
you got. That's the true like competitive race. I mean,
you see guys in the Olympics, Man, I mean to
go out there and run forty four forty three, like
that's insane. Forty two I mean you're talking even seconds
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every one hundred meter dash like that's.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I'm like the one hundred meters dash. If you hit
like ten, you're like the fastest person in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, right, Like I think the fastest time ever.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, nine five six, so yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like you gotta think them guys are running a second
off of that four times.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, that's the shame.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like when the four hundred, like that's my favorite event
to watch, like whether it's college track, the Olympics pre trials, whatever,
Like I'm tuning in to the four hundred because it's
just like, like I really give respect to you guys.
I go out there and really, you know, go and
get it. It's exciting to see.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Are college learra Overton. It's just geeking out over all
this track talk here Jalen Jones appreciate the time on
the podcast, but yeah, thank you. Here with Colts linebacker
Shai Gua Loubi. You're an undrafted guy. Yeah, how has
that shaped your career? Having to work your way up
from you know, not hearing your name called.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean it's awesome, man.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I get to share the gift of gratitude with all
my teammates, you know, like it's just one of them
things that you understand every day when you walk in here.
It was never something I was a guarantee for you.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
How is this Pacers run? Like, how how is it
shown you what Indianapolis can be involving like a sports team.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's amazing to see kind of the fan support, you know,
from a different perspective because obviously when we're in Lucas,
I'm on the field, so I'm kind of locked in.
But getting to be amongst the people in the stadium
chair for the Sers, you know, and and seeing the
run that they've been on. I mean really since I've
been in the league, they've been pretty good. So it's
kind of one of those things you get to see
how the city and the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I remember him this conversation with Zire once where like
he's obviously a big sixers guy and like him being
a professional athlete, he was like kind of like he
was struggling to like like he wants to like be like, ah,
Joel Embiid, like what are you doing? But then he's
like I kind of know what it's like, you know,
on the other side, how do you watch a game
as a fan?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, Phantom is kind of tough for me because at
the end of the day, you understand how skilled guys
already even get in a position where they are. But
I think you just kind of take it for what
it is, like, you know, you just measure their their
peers against each other and kind of just take it
for that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So are you like when you go to a Pacers
game in the playoffs? Like what is that experience like
for you, Like cheering and like being a part of
the crowd and everything. Do you get kind of like
caught up in it sometimes?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Sometimes? Yeah, especially when the game gets good. I love
a great game.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I love that environment, whether I'm playing in the game
or just amongst the people. Like being in a really
tight game that suspense that energy, you can almost feeld
electricity in the air. It's some one of those things
that you kind of live for in those ways. So
that's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Fun, same kind of question to you, But just about
like watching football on TV. Like I had this really
interesting conversation with Justin Wally yesterday where he was talking
about how Kenny like he studied Kenny in college, and
I was like, I don't know if he had like
all twenty two access or not. It turns out he did,
But I was like, that must be impossible to be
like a cornerback and try to watch another cornerback on
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TV because like the broadcast, they're not like showing everything.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, teas copy, you can't see anything.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So like when do you even watch like football on TV?
Or do you just say, like, you know, I gotta
I would rather see the all twenty two.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I think I do both, right, Like, I mean, I love,
like I said, I love watching good I love watching ball,
So I'll just watch a good game. But then we
have the ability to go on the iPad and watch it.
So there's plenty of times where I'll watch the game
live and then especially it seems that lay some of
the defenses, I'll go on to the iPad and watch
it from the twenty two, watch it from the back.
Do you see what they've got? What they guys are saying?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
When you watch games with like friends or family members,
do like you kind of drive them nuts sometimes about
like how because you obviously know more? Yeah, and like
you know, if they're like why did this guy blow
this coverage? You're not like I was covered too, Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I mean I show a lot of grace in those moments,
you know, because I get that I don't. I'm terrible
a lot more, you know than other people do. So
I kind of just explained what's going on. Oh that
actually wouldn't him, you know what I mean? And I
think because it's so much fun for me, I don't
really get tired of explaining things, and I don't do
it in a way that's kind of like, you know,
kind of harsh, you know, so I don't think the
people around me get too mad.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
About it either.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's great. My wife hates watching football, yeah, because you know,
why did this guy mean it as well? Probably wasn't
a signment there. I gotta get better that at that.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
I'm really gracious because you know, you can watch a
bad players tape and you end up on the tape
if you ain't careful.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Who is the who gives off the most dad energy.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
On this team? Come on, man, you know you know
who it's for. Of course. Yeah, my mom calls the
forest but her dad. I'm telling you, like she say,
you just got you know, dad energy. So it's just
kind of funny to see that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, how does how does that that energy?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know you laughing joke about it, but like, how
does that energy? What does that bring to the team,
Like just that like that consummate professional guy's been there,
done that.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, sability.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
You need guys like that that are kind of like
the pillars of your team, you know, for sure, a
guy you can go to, a guy that kind of
winning things are tough. You look at him and see
how he's handling it, you know, and that give it
inspires you to keep going.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
This last one for you kind of off the wall.
But let's say football never existed as a sport, what
are you playing professionally?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Soccer?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay? Did you play soccer growing up?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like one year? Okay, yeah, one year, and I was
pretty decent. Like I think just athletically.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Would have been all right, But position.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Probably probably would have just been like an effort guy forward.
I mean, like just effort guy. I don't have great
touch on anything. I don't think I'm sitting in a
midfield bit. I think they just running around people. Just
being aggressive upfront would be.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Probably maybe like you know, you're maybe like a false nine.
You're kind of like backing guys down and a little
bit yeah okay.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You know, yeah, probably could have been a pretty decent
defender too.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know, yeah, that would make sense playing linebacker in
the NFL. Yeah, yeah, love it. Cool shagu Alube, appreciate
your time, man, great talking see here with Colts defensive
tackle to Forrest Buckner. So I've been asking a couple
of your teammates who's the most dad person on the team,
and they all have been saying you. Shagu Alube even
said his mom calls you dad because but like that,
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there's something to that, Like that just steady professional energy
that you have. Yeah, over your nine years in the NFL,
what is how he maybe learned the importance of that
and bringing that energy to a team.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Yeah, I would say I learned from one of the best,
Joe Staley. You know, when I was the Niners. He
was actually one of the vets that I even even
though we were in the same position group, I just
from afar, you know what I mean, really paid close
attention to how he carried his business on and off
the field, and you know, I just saw him he
was a true professional and he had a lot of
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respect around the building. And uh, those were one of
some of the things that I wanted to, you know,
emulate a little bit and and take what, you know,
what he did on and off the field, and I
wanted to kind of, you know, do the same.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
When you watch football. Let's say it's not not a
Colts game, but who do you maybe gravitate toward watching
their game? And it doesn't have to be a defensive player,
but just when you put on a highlight or you
get served on Instagram, like, who do you kind of
gravitate toward?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Honestly, I gravitate towards D lineman Like you know, I'm
obviously I'm a D liman and I love D line play.
So you know, anytime I'm watching the game where it's
a primetime game, I'm tuned into what the d Lin's doing,
you know, just from you know, obviously seeing how they
you know, some of the moves that work for them
and little things like that, or or just in general,
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like I love seeing D Lion's take over a game,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm always staying tuned
into that.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
When you watch football as a fan, or can you
watch football as a fan even like when you watch
it on TV, Like how do you consume I mean,
it's like a TV broadcast you're not getting the All
twenty two. Yeah, but like, how do you consume that
as someone who plays the game.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah, it's honestly, it's hard to watch football as a
fan because I just know it's you know, too much
that's going on. Yeah, you know, certain situations what they
should be doing and things like that, and obviously, like
when I'm watching them, like why would they do it?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know what i mean?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, little things like that or oh he's not he's
not supposed to do that in certain situations where it's like, oh,
you know, there's a great play in that situation. So
I'm always looking at it and watching and watching it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Like film, right, Like how do you then when you
watch another sport? Yeah, you're watching the Pacers, You're watching
you know whatever.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
I'm I'm a fan when it's another sport. I mean,
I'm I feel like a fan watching you know what
I mean. I mean, I can like basketball, I can
I can kind of see certain things where, you know,
because I played it growing up, and so I can
see certain things that they do and I'm like, why
would he do that?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know what i mean? Or But majority of the.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Time I'm just tuned in and I'm sharing like a
whole like a whole fan.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
See, Like I like watching basketball because I can be
like a dumb fan watching basketball, like I watch football
and like I don't know as much as you know
you and the other players do, but like I know
enough to know, like I can't watch it and like
really get invested in basketball. I'm like dumb as right,
why did he miss that shot?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like that, and that's kind of nice to have that outlet.
But I remember I was talking about this with shit Good.
But I had this conversation with Zaire. He's a big
sixers guy, and he's like, I can't get mad at
the players because I know what it takes to be
a professional. After Like when you even if it's a
sport that you don't know anything about, you know, you're
watching baseball or or whatever, do you still have to
like catch yourself sometimes knowing that, hey, these are the
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elite of the.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, definitely, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Like, like I said, I get caught up sometimes like
as a fan, but you put yourself in those their
shoes and you're like, man, everybody has a bad game,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I've had bad games, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
It's not that I'm a bad player, it's just it's
one of those It's just one of those days for
that player. You know what I'm saying. He had about
he had off day, and now I want to see
the next game how he responds, you know what I'm saying.
And that's what That's what it's all about. It's a
it's a marathon.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
What is something about playing in the NFL that someone
who doesn't play in the NFL could never understand?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I would say, I mean they see all the you know,
obviously game days they see, they see the off season
when we're posting on social media for on a nice
trip or whatever it is. But I mean, they truly
don't know what it takes year in and year out
to go out there and perform, you know what I mean,
and perform at a high level.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
They don't see the sacrifices that you make, you know,
spending weeks or months away from the family and the
off season, you know, to train and get ready for
the season, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, those
are some of the little things that I always think about,
Like see fans don't they think that I'm just in
the off season just kicking my feet up, trying to
play golf, you know what I mean, or fish or
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whatever it is. And and it's the total opposite, you
know what I mean. Like I try to find times
to go do some of the stuff that I like
to kind of get my mind away and get a
little refresher, But majority of.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The time and we're working.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I can confirm that, by the way, because I saw
you at the gym.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
One day we're at Oswell, Yeah, and I saw you
working out with these like bands and these weights. Yeah,
and you introduced me to your training and I was like, yeah, man,
I see you working out here with the you know,
same equipment, but like just different weights, yeah, and different
you know, you would like the XXL resistance band on.
I mean, but like that was like, I don't know,
February maybe, yeah, you know, and you're you're still putting
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in the work.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, definitely all throughout the year for sure. Yeah, it's
a year. It's a year on thing, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
I always talked to my trainer and we always say,
like he's always.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Telling me about how my weight doesn't fluctuate or all
that kind of stuff, because I'm like, I always want to.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Stay in shape.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
It's you know, it's it's it's hard to get into shape.
It it's easy to get out of shape. So I
always try to year around, even if it's not a
whole lot, you know what I mean. I just want
to continue to like, you know, I want to get
into the off season, like I'm still doing a little
some cardio, some core, you know, just to you know,
keep my body moving, staying in shape so that you know,
when the time comes, you know, I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Behind the e Bay Grover.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Fully commit. You didn't fully commit. You have to fully commit.
She's got one foot in, one foot out.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, that wasn't all in on that, you know. I
mean you you were getting it. You're doing pretty good.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
See he's trying too hard. Huh. Yeah he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
He heard.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, you're thinking too much about it. Just let it happen.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I mean you gotta.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You can't start thinking because then you're playing slow. You're
yelling exactly. That's how I that's how I give him
an example.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But it might be too loud for the mic.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Well, I mean I Uh, I've done. I've done the
like my third down call in the mic before. So
if you want to hit it just to throw them off,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's how you do it. There we go.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We can always take that down in post.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So for our audio listeners, what's your favorite Grover Stewart story?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
My favorite Grover Stewart's story. Man, there's a lot. There
is a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Man, uh.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh man, I gotta go deep in the archives here.
Let's see. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Hold on, Okay,
I got one for you. So this is years ago.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
So if you don't know Grove, he lives you know,
down south out you know, South Georgia, and uh, you know,
anytime in the all, in the off season, when you
try to, you know, get hold.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Of him, it's impossible, you know.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
So like you know, if you say you want to
call him, he might not call you back till a
week later, you know what I mean. So there's one
time I need I actually had something on my mind
and I have to ask Grove the question. And so
this is the off season, this is about this around March,
and I call him one day. Don't hear back from him.
So I'm like, oh, man, I really needed to.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Ask gro this question.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Does it go straight to voicemail or sometimes it will
rings sometimes you just go straight to the voicemail, you know.
So I was like, he must be busy, but he's
also he's probably on like his zero turn mower or something,
mowing to grass or something.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
And uh So about a week goes by and girls
calling me.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I'm like, oh, girl calling me, answer the phone. What's up? Bro?
He said, are you called?
Speaker 8 (21:12):
A week later?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I just told him.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
All I said was Bro, that was last week. Bro,
Get off my phone. Bro, have a good one. That
was it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And then and then we get here.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
And he's like, man, Buck, don't you never called me
in the off season? Yeah, that's one of my stories
about growth. But uh, I mean I got a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's just one of them.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Just you know, just tell you you know how he
is in the off season. He's extra municado, yeah, but
also still putting in the work.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yeah, I'm I can always I always know. I mean,
when when time comes, he's gonna be ready. When the
time come, they gonna know, they're gonna I know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Though, all right, Okay, question for both of you guys.
I did this a couple of years ago, but I
want to bring it back. Let's say football never existed
as a sport. But you guys are great athletes. What
sport are you playing professionally right now?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I've probably be an Olympics for like a shot put discus.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Olympic shot put discus. I could see it, all right,
Did you do that in high school? Okay, you like
a Georgia like class state champion or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Oh yeah, I will. I love it. For me, I'll
probably choose I go golf.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
See you said basketball three years ago. Yeah, I know,
And but you're a stick now. Definitely not a stick now.
But but if I really really really put the work in, you.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Know, if I if I started from a young age,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I would have been pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, you know, I got that good natural swing. I
got a lot of power behind it. I don't even
have to hit you know, swing that hard when I
do hit it right, you know what I mean. But
majority of the time I am swinging out of my shoes.
So that's that's the part where you know, I don't
get out as much, you know, to get out there
and play what if I did.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, That's what I just keep telling myself is that
I need to get out more for sure, and that
i'd be great on PG.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
My son does have a swing, yeah, m early. He's
a five five Yeah, okay, I started him at like
three and a half. It was actually his idea, which
was great.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, So I just took I just took my five
year olds to uh, the driving range on Sunday. They're terrible, yeah,
and no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You just gotta get going on it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, going on it, you know what I mean, get
out there. You know, you gotta gotta put in the work.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I mean it's it is challenging, you know when they
want to do it themselves, Like no, then I got it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I got it. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I'm like, okay, all right, you know kind of dying
a little bit inside, is there chunking away? Yeah, but
you know what, they'll figure it out. Yeah. To Forrest Buckner,
appreciate it. Growth, You appreciate you coming by, Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
On, appreciate it. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Here with Colts Defensive end Quitty pay. The last couple
of weeks have been pretty special around this city. With
the Pacers going on a run. You got the fever
season starting got the Indy five hundred uh with the
Pacers specifically, Like you've been here now for four years?
What is this run that they've been on. Maybe shown
you about this city.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Just how crazy the fans get, you know, when when
the team's doing well, and you know, the fans wanting
the team to do well so they can go out
and show out for their team and you know brag
to the whole world that you know, they have the
best team in the in the country, so you know,
it makes us want to go out there and play.
You know, we were in the in Asana after practice
one of these days and like, man, like the Pacer
are doing anything and we have to go out there
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and you know, ball out this season so we can
have our fans come out and show out for us.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It seems like kind of a common threat. Like when
I've asked you know, you and your teammates about the Pacers,
they say like, yeah, it's been really cool, but like
it's also motivating, yeah for us to see how the
city can rally behind one of their teams here. Yeah, yes, sir,
what about just maybe like your interactions with people around town,
like involving the Pacers. Like, I know you've gone to
a couple of games, Like when they talk to you
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about the Pacers, do they also say like and hey,
you know we want we want the Colts to hit
that point too.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Oh yeah, for sure, you know, just like from fans
run into you know, we just talked about Pacers and
then after that, so I was like, you guys are
up next, you know, like seasons coming up makesure you
guys are ready and you know, and we're we're ready.
We're preparing right now when ready to go?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean asking a couple of guys about this. But
like when you go to a Pacers game, like a
PACER's playoff game, you know what it takes for those
guys to get on the court as professional athletes. Yeah,
do you have to like catch yourself like not getting
like frustrated or like mad at them because you know
they are the elite of the elite, just like you
guys are as NFL players. And it's just I don't know,
it's a way to kind of ask like how do
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you watch a game as a fan?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah? I mean, like for me, like I go full
on as a fan, okay to me, like I can't lie,
like I'm cause coming from like a small state, like
I feel like we just were big fans of like
professional athletes. So I'm not the kind where like I'm
a I'm a pro athlete, where like I can't be
a fan of myself. But you know, I definitely respect
them as far as like, you know, the level that
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they're at and stuff like that. It's just fun to see.
It's fun the route for them. It's fun to be
with the other fans, you know, just be a part
of you know what, una just supporting our home team.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
They also pace for support the Colts pretty well. I
mean to be like Tyree dancing you know on the
suite with Blue like that. That's a pretty cool like
relationship the two teams seem to have here.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, I think I think it's special, you know where
it's a good relationship and you know, like we're in
the same city, you know, not too like the states
are right next to each other, so it's easy for
us to support each other. And yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What's a piece of wisdom maybe you've like you've gained
or you've learned or you've realized about like what it
takes to play in the NFL over your your career
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So Farm, I'll probably say my favorite African proverb to
the patient man will come all the riches of the world.
And that doesn't necessarily have to do with money, just
as far as like, you know, just trusting the process,
you know, sticking to what you know, and you know,
just you know, staying hard at work and being consistent
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and you know everything that you want will will be
there for you when it when the time is ready.
You know, when the time comes, you'll be prepared and
you know you'll succeed. But you just have to you know,
be patient, just keep consistent with with what you're doing,
and you know, just trust.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
How is DeForest Buckner maybe like reinforce that kind of
like when you're talking about there the presence that he
brings to this team.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, you know, anytime buck is out there, you know,
it gives everyone like an extra sense of confidence playing
out there. You know, we have some special players, but
you know, having Big Line nine out there, you know,
for me, it kind of gives us just a unit
him and Big Rove out there. You know, we kind
of feel invincible, and you know, just seeing how he
prepares every single day, how he comes in, how he's consistent,
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you know, usually one of the first in the building.
Attention to detail and practice, you know, and kind of
just instilling the idea of you know, if you're not
getting better, you're getting worse. So every time he goes
out there to practice, he's always looking to improve on something,
and you know he's going to year ten and just
seeing that, you know, because I think especially most vets
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me more more. I mean not most vets, but a
lot of vets they kind of, you know, chill a
little bit when it comes to practice and stuff like that,
taking care of the bodies. But when he goes out there,
you know he's going and you know he wants to improve.
So just seeing that, seeing that from a ten year vet,
you know, gonna be a you know, to me, a
first battle of Hall of Famer speaking into existence. But
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you're just seeing that from him and aspires the rest
of us young guys, and it inspires you know, the
whole team in.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
General, even like I'm guessing probably too with just something
as simple as like a basic install on like day
one of OTA's I know, like, you know, like with
Lou coming in, it's probably different than you've had over
the last couple of years. But he strikes me as
the kind of guy who, like, even if he's installed
this play for ten straight years, he's still gonna take notes,
he's gonna run him down. Yeah, and he's gonna think,
you know, hey, there might be something new I can
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learn from hearing us.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, definitely, I would say too, Like one thing I
kind of peeped as we're in like the big unit meetings,
just even when he's talking about coveragers bucks rying that
because he'll know, like, all right, like if we're in
dis coverage, I'll have this amount of time to you know,
get to the quarterback or I could pull out my
best pass rush moved because I know I'm gonna have
a little more could we have sticky coverage in the
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back end. So just seeing him have attention to detail
as far as like the whole scheme and knowing what
everyone's doing, it kind of like inspires the rest of us,
you know, kind of follow suit and do the same
as well. Just being smarter on the field, and you know, yeah,
he's he's just a smart dude on the like he'll
just see stuff and he'll help the rest of us,
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and yeah, like a real key factor in our in
our in our defense.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I've asked a couple couple of your teammates, like
who gives off the most dead energy on the team,
and they've all said it's Buck.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah. I'll probably say Buck, and then right after that,
I'll probably say Grove. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean they're the two experienced guys in the middle.
We just kind of bring that that steadiness. I could
see Buck is like the Grove is like kind of
the goofy dad.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh yeah for sure. Yeah, come in, buzz Joe. It's
making fun of you. But at the same time, like
he'll show you love.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
What's something about playing in the NFL that someone who
doesn't play in the NFL couldn't really understand.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'd probably say, like, there's off time, but at the
same time, it's not really off time. It's like we
have an off season. But if you want to, you know,
be special, if you want to be elite, you're damn
near training all season long, You're taking care of your
body all year long, and you have you need to
have to have a routine for in season, off season,
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you know, just being attentive to like what you put
into your body, how you're training, how long you're training.
You have to factor into vacation time. Everything has to
be like on a schedule because once the season ends,
like you're on the you're on the clock. You have
so many so much time until we come back to OTA.
You have to make sure you prepare for OTAs. While
we're in we're getting better with the team, learning new scheme,
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whatever it may be. And then once we break that
little month and have time, you're preparing again for camp.
And then once it begins to camp, it's like the
grind never stops, you know, so it's like a never
ending cycle. So the sacrifices, I would say first and foremost,
and then just like being like a real person outside
of you know, having the jersey on, the helmet on,
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because you know, we have responsibility as far as like
wives and girlfriends and kids and stuff like that, and
you know, this is a real busy job where it's
from you know, sometimes five am to late night.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You told me your schedule out of like what your
Friday schedule was once and I was like, I genuinely,
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, exactly, you know, and like when I come home,
it's like I go straight to sleep. And you know,
if you have kids, you have a partner or whatever,
you have to factor all that into and it's like, yeah, so,
I mean it's very hard. But at the same time,
we're blessed to be where we are. We're living the dream,
living on our childhood dreams, and you know, just we're
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just blessed.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
All right. Last one, I asked this question of couple
of years ago, but I'm bringing it back. If football
never existed, sport never existed, what are you doing professionally?
What are you playing professionally?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Like what sport professionally?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Because I mean, you're you're a really good athlete. You
could probably have made it in another sport.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So my first sport was track. I would like to
think I could play basketball, but I'm just I'm too short.
I'm six two and I'm just yeah, I don't like
i'd be I'd be a Josh Hart. I would be
oh yeah, I could be a guard, but yeah, passing
the ball out, I'll give you about ten points, but
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I'm a I'm a second after guy.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You Okay, I think I think that would be my
role double yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, but if not that, man, I ran track all
the way through high school. You know. My sophomore year
I was drank like seventh amongst all sophomores in the country,
and long jump I jumped twenty two to six. I
was the anchor of my four by one team. You're
the anchor on a four by one Yeah, yes, sir.
And then we went to Nationals every year anchored there
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and then yeah, man, like my like, we want to
stay every year. I had points and shot put, long jump,
one hundred meters, dash two hundred meters like I was
you know.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I was like, what do you think you would have
ran at the combine because there was no combining year
you came out.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, uh combine for forty yard dash. Yeah. So my
pro day I did a four or five to two
at two sixty something. I was like two sixty five.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Just so our listeners and viewers know that's insane.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah. And then I surprised myself with the bench honestly, like,
going through combine prep, I was only able to hit
like thirty on the bench. But then like pro they
like I just got like a shoot of like adrenaline
and I hit thirty six on the bench and that
was my pr. I was, yeah, I pr that day.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Didn't you have some legeny like three cone?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
My three cone was six three seven, and that's like
that's better than most most dvs.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, so if only a chance to pull those
out pretty pay. Appreciate your time, man, thanks, coming on.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm joined by Colt's wide receiver Ashton Dueling. What year
is this for you?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Now? This is year seven.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You're seven when you came out of Malone University, which
no longer is a football program. And if someone would
have told you you're going to be seven years into
the NFL with a very stable career, what would you
have thought in that moment?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I would have said, I appreciate the compliment and the high.
The high thought of me been crazy to think about
as a kid, you know, as you know, Kay, you
dream of stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm going to be doing it right now. I know.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I just make my family probably and everybody around me.
So that's that's that's one thing I do it for
is just for them. So I couldn't be more more
proud of myself and my family.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
The odds are stacked an undrafted free agent because the team,
you know, they didn't commit a draft pick to you.
You've got to consistently prove yourself. You've done that and
you've earned two contract extensions from the Colts. How do
you kind of continue and keep that mindset, that like
undrafted mindset even in year seven to kind of fuel
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your role and your position on this team.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I think it just it just makes me feel feel
good the fact that you know, this organization believes in me,
but just believing myself as well. Like you said, undrafted guys,
you know they kind of not to say they're to
behind already, but they have a little bit more, you know,
work to put in as far as earning their their reputation,
earning their role in the team. And I think for
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me that was a mindset I kind of had, was
knowing that I got to come in and work every
day regardless of you know, where you come from or
what you do and who's ahead of you. Just got
to put your head down to work.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Do you like look back in it and realize, like
I could not have screwed up like early on in
my career, because you know, one one mistake for an
undrafted free agent, You're you're out the door.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Sometimes, Yeah, that's that's kind of how it feels. To
say that's perfect is not what the case was. I
definitely made my shared mistakes, but to learn from that
is probably the biggest thing and not make that same
mistakes twice. Grow from them. The mistakes you made, the
failures and nothing but successes. So turn those failures into
success and then you'll you'll see yourself grow.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
How have you viewed yourself as like a veteran and
like the experienced guy, whether it's in the wide receiver room,
the special teams room, you know, guy who has had
a lot of experiences in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
For me, I just try to come in and do
my job every day, knowing that more of a lead
by example type of guy, just going on in the
field and working on and off the field, doing what
needs to be done in the in the treatment room,
in the weight room, film you know, because this game
is is more than just just on the field. It
takes a lot of stuff to do outside of the
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facility and then taking care of your body and stuff
like that. So for me, it was just being a
pro to right way.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
That's something that you know, the the other stuff that
you have to do. I think it's hard to understand
that if you aren't a player in the NFL. Do
you think do you think people get the full scope
of like all the work you have to put in,
the hours of treatment, the sacrifices you have to make
to even just get on the field for a practice,
let alone a game.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I don't think sometimes people don't understand that it's the
full time job. When I explain people that I'm in
the building from some days from seven in the morning
to you know, six o'clock at night, They're like, really,
I have to just go to practice for a couple hours.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like, no, it's it's a job.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Like you're there from from sun up to sundown and
even after that when when when you're out the building,
you're still working because you still got to make sure
you're eating right, washing film, getting the proper rest, and
then getting up and doing all over again.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
The eating right part, Like, do you do you have
like a week in the off season where you can
like have like a pizza or something or like it's
just like doesn't have to constantly be a thought of yours.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
See, all season is definitely a time where I can
kind of sit back and unbuckled the belt buckle to
slay the least and just just kind of pig out
for a little bit. But not too crazy though, because
you know, because you have to get back to working
out and and and getting back to that routine. But
there's definitely a period of time where I'm not worrying
about what I'm eating.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Does your like does your body almost like reject it?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Though?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I mean seven years in like, because I think if
you're if you're if I to guess if your body's
used to eating you know, lean proteins and veggies and
you know, complex carbs and all these things that like,
once you get away from that for a little bit,
your body's like what are you? What are you doing here?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Like it's it's your body kind of you wake up
the next morning you're like, oh, I definitely ate you know,
a cheeseburger and some had some French fries with with
with bacon and cheese on it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But you know, you enjoyed the same time.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Your mentals like, yeah, I kind of needed that just
kind of sit back and relax and kind of just
enjoy the food.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
What do you have to do to take care of
your mental in the off season, you know, outside of
maybe just saying hey, I can go out that cheese burner.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
You know, I think for me, it's just being around
my family. That's probably the biggest thing for me is
I'm a big family guy. So having that time just
to sit back and kind of not worry about football
and just take vacations, go out whatever it is, just
have a good time and kind of just sit back
in the backyard and relax and then just enjoy the weather,
whatever it may be. Where if we're at it's kind
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of my my sit back and relax and just enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
What's your aspirational vacation spot, Like, where do you want
to go.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm a big Arizona guy. I go out to Arizona
probably every off season, whether it's to train or just
to go out of vacation. Like this pass off season
with the took some of my friends all took a
little vacation out the Arizona and just just good to
just kind of sit back and there's no beach involved,
but it's always hot, but the weather's not too crazy.
It's kind of like eighty five, nice little breeze but
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in the summertime it gets to like one ten. But
I still love it even though it's still one hundred
and ten degrees. I'm like, give it to me. I
don't care. It's whatever. It's the per vacation spot for me.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You're more of a mountains guy than a beach guy, I.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Would say, so.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
I mean, I enjoy the water, but I'm not gonna
get into the beach all the time, just because you know,
there's a lot of what they say, sharks, I saw
a lot of stuff. You don't know, a lot of
unknowns out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, I feel you feel you. So my kids
take like two steps into the beach and you know,
it's like a like a like at the lake, and
I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
There's something I don't know. You know what I'm saying,
like is the the ocean is too vastable. Plays we
haven't explored everything, so we don't know what's done at ourselves.
So it's for me, it's just give me a nice
little view atv ride a little bit, and then just enjoy.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
It, all right. So I asked you this question a
couple of years ago, and I've brought it back just
for this podcast. If football never existed, what sport would
you be doing professionally right now?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
I think I have probably the same answer. That'd be
running track. Yeah, I'd be a hurdler for sure. That
was my sport all growing up THEYD in college as well,
so I'll definitely be on the track.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
So the hurdles, what distance are you hurdling at four hundred?
So I was just talking to Jalen Jones about like
the four hundred was his event, and he's like, you
got the one hundred and two hundred, those are sprints,
but he's like, the four hundred, you gotta you gotta
have like the mental fortitude to push through those last
hundred meters.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Absolutely, But he's we.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Were talking about Sidney McLoughlin like in the four hundred,
because she's running the hurdles faster than people are running
the four hundred. Flash, how do you have to like
what is your mentality you have to be to run
the four hundred hurdles?
Speaker 5 (41:18):
I mean it's pretty much like a four hundred. You
gotta attack it like you gotta have the endurance of
a distance runner. But the sprinter, the sprints of a sprinter,
it's it's really when you said that last hundred is
whatever you got left. Uh, you kind of you kind
of treat that first three hundred like it's all out sprint.
And then they always say, like the analogy is you
get to get the monkey on your back for the
last hundred meters and then just kind of whatever heart
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you got, you know, finish it off.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
But it's definitely it's not for the week, I tell
you that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
But the hurdle aspect of it, I can't even fathom,
like running that far and then also you got to
jump over these things. What technique do you need to
do that?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
For me, it was just whatever leg comes up that
has to lead, that's the leg that that leads. Some
guys like to try to count their steps. For me,
it was just I just go just run, you know,
whatever leg comes up, that's the leg I go over with.
And then I think about it after the fact. I
failed probably one time in my whole career in the
four hundred hurdles. Wasn't happy about it, got out finished whatever,
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But some people got technique.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I just go out and run, all right.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
So if you're building a team of four hundred hurdles
on the colts, your teammates. Who are you taking with?
If you're the anchor, who you taking with?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Let's see, that's a great question. I think I'll go on,
why fight Kenny? Be good? Kind of good.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
I think Kenny has had some good injury. I probably
take Kenny. Kenny my first leg, I go Alec Pearce.
I know Ale can run. I got a pretty good speed.
I go Alec Pierce, and I go add nine. Okay, yeah,
I think that'd be my three, right.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I like it three. I mean you gave the DBS
a shout there. I did three other wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
I think I think Kenny will be able to hold
up pretty well, and he has the endurance for it.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I could see that he's got the mental.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Ford take to keep going.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Ashton Dole appreciate your time here on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Thanks m
Hey, Colts fans, I'm JJ Sankovitz. Welcome in to another
episode of The Colts Show in Indianapolis Colts Podcast. Today
we have Media Day Part two coming up. I had
interviews with Jalen Jones, Shaiguulubi, DeForest Buckner, with a little
cameo from Grover Stewart, Quitty Pay and Ashton Doolan. Really
fun stuff. You might want to turn the volume down
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a little bit for Bucks interview just you'll see when
you get to that part, but really fun conversations with
these guys. If you missed last week's episode, I talked
to eight guys on day one of our creative content shoot.
Daniel Jones, Nevill Gallimore, Kenny were the Second cam Binham,
Anthony Richardson, Alec Pierce, Justin.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wally, JT.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Twey, Molowil all those guys that I had a chance
to sit down with him on last week's podcast. If
you've missed a couple of our previous episodes, I had
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get right to it here. Just real quick housekeeping. There
will not be an episode next week. We are off
for the fourth of July. Then we will be back
in early July with a couple of new episodes before
we get up to training camp, which is going to
be here before you know it, in less than a month. Anyways,
here we go. Here's Media Day, Part two on the
Colt Show. All right, back here at media Day with
Colts cornerback Jalen Jones and I had a conversation with
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you last year in the locker room. We were just
chatting about like your recruiting process, and you told me
you were strongly considering Purdue. This is you were a
five star recruit, right And was it because other schools
were offering you as Like, how did that process go
with considering Purdue as a kid from Texas who's a
five star crew to I'm sure had offers from all
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the big schools in Texas. You obviously wanted an A
and M. But what was that initial connection to Purdue?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Man? It was just in triggering man, knowing that Drew
Brees went there being a Texas guy, basically just like
the conversation with the coaching staff at the time, I
think coach Frum's there or Bron I think it's Brown. Yeah,
coach Brown and yeah, Man, the conversation was good. Had
a good relationship with his son at the time. Man
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would talk about it and things like that. So it
was real cool interesting to see that, you know, like
everybody in the family was, you know, reaching out to me,
and all the coaches staff was reaching out to me,
man and just showing like a real family feel. And
that's why, you know, Purdue was on my radar.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That family feel. Like the game that you remember you
told me you remember watching was that upset over Ohio State, Yeah,
which was the that was the Tyler Trent game if
you remember that. Yeah, the student who had cancer. Uh,
and you know they they won that game for him,
and that was like the ultimate like the Purdue family
coming together, you know, for the for this kid. But like,
what did you know about westlfaat I didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I didn't know nothing about I ain't know really much
about Indiana, and I didn't even know what Purdue was.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
When it offered me.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I had to look it up because I was like Purdue. Like,
of course I've seen like the logo and things like that,
but I never knew where Purdue was. So I had
to look it up and I was like, okay, Indiana,
Like that would be something new, you know what I'm saying.
I had already had took a visit to Ohio State,
so I was kind of familiar with the Midwest and
things like that. So you know, it was just fun,
like fun recruiting process.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And yeah, man, purduees. I mean, honestly, in my top
about top six.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Obviously you wound up in Texas, A and M. But
now you're here in Indiana. What have you learned about
this state? Maybe the city of Indianapolis since you've been here?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Man, Like, sports around here is everything?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Man?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Like just you know, you driving around, you see people's
license place, people you know, repping their schools, whether it's Butler, Purdue, IU,
you know, and I feel like it's a you know,
a prideful state, which I love. Like being from Texas,
you know, you know, they don't mess with Texas slowed
me things like that. So coming to a state where
they're also you know, you know, priv for in their
state was like it was cool to see and just
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learning all the culture, the history of Indianapolis and things
like that. You know, I've been loving my time here
so far.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So have you adopted the Pacers?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Definitely? Definitely. I'm a Spurs fan at heart, That's what I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Going to say. If I thought you'd be a Spurs fan, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
My number one.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
But definitely have adopted the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Uh, you know, just going to the games, being in
that you know, crazy atmosphere, man, and it's seeing a
young squad you know, really get to it. I mean
it's you know, it's motivational for us too. So I'm
about to say it's cool to see.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
How do you go to a game as a fan? Like,
I know you've been to a couple of the playoff games,
Like how do you How do you, as a professional
athlete go to a game as a fan?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I love watching basketball for one, Like basketball is like
my thing. So just going out there, you know, like
just being being in too with the game, being at
too with the fans, man, you know, just getting routy
in the stands, like you know, it's just a fun atmosphere.
I'm a sports guy. I go to baseball games to
do the same exact thing. I'm yelling at the stands
like I just I enjoy it. So just like I said,
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going to the game supporting those guys, you know, us
being professional athletes in the city. Man, it's it's always good.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What baseball games are you going to?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So I'm an Astros fan, but this year I've been
to the Rays game that had played the Rockies, and
then I went to the White Sox game about two
weeks ago. Dad played the Rangers, and I'm not too
fond of the Rangers, so I was glad to see
them lose.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Wait, you went to a White Sox game and they won.
I'm a White Sox fan. They don't win like anything.
I got to get you more games.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
They was hitting. It was hit they was hitting that day.
So it was.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
With this with this team who gives off the most
dad energy on the Indianapolis Colts. Man, Like it's coming
out right after Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So like, yeah, sure, I think I feel like probably probably.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But yeah that's kind of who kind of Most people
have said I say probably, but for sure, just his
veteran presence in that room, even though you know he's
on the D line. You're you're a defensive back. What
does his presence do for that defensive unit? Just the
way that he conducts himself and he goes about his business.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Man, you know, just being the definition of a professional
man and you know comes in day and day out.
Man puts everything into it. And I mean he helps
out his guys man. I mean anything unique can go
to him, you can ask him questions. I mean he
just he just the guy that got to be around.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He really helps his defense, whether his own or off
the field. So it's good to have a guy like
that that you tried onto the field with.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All Right, last one for you, Let's say the sport
of football never existed, it was never invented. Yeah, what
sport are you playing professionally right now?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Man?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Honestly, like I said, I'm I was a huge basketball
kid growing up. I feel like I would have kept
developing my skills. I could have had a chance, definitely.
But people don't know. I was a pretty pretty good
four hundred runner. Like growing up, you know, I stopped
like in high school, I was on all like the
relays and stuff just because you know, I played football.
But like growing up, like the four hundred was my race,
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Like from the time elementary to the time, like about
eighth grade, ninth grade, like running summer track, going to
the Jerialympics, competing and things like that. You know, really
really training for, you know, the four hundred growing up.
So I don't know, man, maybe that could have went somewhere.
It would have been fun to see being the Olympics someday,
you know, gold medalist something like that would have been cool.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So what about that event was like worked for you?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Man?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I feel like, like I love to run clearly, I
mean I do that for a living now, So I
mean just going out there and I feel like the
four hundred is the ultimate like competitive race because you know,
he got the one hundred and two hundred, but those
are so quick it's.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Just a sprint.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, the four hundred is also a sprint, but it's
like who got the wheel to really run a full
lap around that track the fastest you can go, everything
you got. That's the true like competitive race. I mean,
you see guys in the Olympics, Man, I mean to
go out there and run forty four forty three, like
that's insane. Forty two I mean you're talking even seconds
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every one hundred meter dash like that's.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I'm like the one hundred meters dash. If you hit
like ten, you're like the fastest person in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, right, Like I think the fastest time ever.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, nine five six, so yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like you gotta think them guys are running a second
off of that four times.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, that's the shame.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like when the four hundred, like that's my favorite event
to watch, like whether it's college track, the Olympics pre trials, whatever,
Like I'm tuning in to the four hundred because it's
just like, like I really give respect to you guys.
I go out there and really, you know, go and
get it. It's exciting to see.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Are college learra Overton. It's just geeking out over all
this track talk here Jalen Jones appreciate the time on
the podcast, but yeah, thank you. Here with Colts linebacker
Shai Gua Loubi. You're an undrafted guy. Yeah, how has
that shaped your career? Having to work your way up
from you know, not hearing your name called.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean it's awesome, man.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I get to share the gift of gratitude with all
my teammates, you know, like it's just one of them
things that you understand every day when you walk in here.
It was never something I was a guarantee for you.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
How is this Pacers run? Like, how how is it
shown you what Indianapolis can be involving like a sports team.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's amazing to see kind of the fan support, you know,
from a different perspective because obviously when we're in Lucas,
I'm on the field, so I'm kind of locked in.
But getting to be amongst the people in the stadium
chair for the Sers, you know, and and seeing the
run that they've been on. I mean really since I've
been in the league, they've been pretty good. So it's
kind of one of those things you get to see
how the city and the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I remember him this conversation with Zire once where like
he's obviously a big sixers guy and like him being
a professional athlete, he was like kind of like he
was struggling to like like he wants to like be like, ah,
Joel Embiid, like what are you doing? But then he's
like I kind of know what it's like, you know,
on the other side, how do you watch a game
as a fan?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, Phantom is kind of tough for me because at
the end of the day, you understand how skilled guys
already even get in a position where they are. But
I think you just kind of take it for what
it is, like, you know, you just measure their their
peers against each other and kind of just take it
for that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So are you like when you go to a Pacers
game in the playoffs? Like what is that experience like
for you, Like cheering and like being a part of
the crowd and everything. Do you get kind of like
caught up in it sometimes?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Sometimes? Yeah, especially when the game gets good. I love
a great game.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I love that environment, whether I'm playing in the game
or just amongst the people. Like being in a really
tight game that suspense that energy, you can almost feeld
electricity in the air. It's some one of those things
that you kind of live for in those ways. So
that's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Fun, same kind of question to you, But just about
like watching football on TV. Like I had this really
interesting conversation with Justin Wally yesterday where he was talking
about how Kenny like he studied Kenny in college, and
I was like, I don't know if he had like
all twenty two access or not. It turns out he did,
But I was like, that must be impossible to be
like a cornerback and try to watch another cornerback on
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TV because like the broadcast, they're not like showing everything.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, teas copy, you can't see anything.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So like when do you even watch like football on TV?
Or do you just say, like, you know, I gotta
I would rather see the all twenty two.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I think I do both, right, Like, I mean, I love,
like I said, I love watching good I love watching ball,
So I'll just watch a good game. But then we
have the ability to go on the iPad and watch it.
So there's plenty of times where I'll watch the game
live and then especially it seems that lay some of
the defenses, I'll go on to the iPad and watch
it from the twenty two, watch it from the back.
Do you see what they've got? What they guys are saying?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
When you watch games with like friends or family members,
do like you kind of drive them nuts sometimes about
like how because you obviously know more? Yeah, and like
you know, if they're like why did this guy blow
this coverage? You're not like I was covered too, Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I mean I show a lot of grace in those moments,
you know, because I get that I don't. I'm terrible
a lot more, you know than other people do. So
I kind of just explained what's going on. Oh that
actually wouldn't him, you know what I mean? And I
think because it's so much fun for me, I don't
really get tired of explaining things, and I don't do
it in a way that's kind of like, you know,
kind of harsh, you know, so I don't think the
people around me get too mad.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
About it either.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's great. My wife hates watching football, yeah, because you know,
why did this guy mean it as well? Probably wasn't
a signment there. I gotta get better that at that.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
I'm really gracious because you know, you can watch a
bad players tape and you end up on the tape
if you ain't careful.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Who is the who gives off the most dad energy.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
On this team? Come on, man, you know you know
who it's for. Of course. Yeah, my mom calls the
forest but her dad. I'm telling you, like she say,
you just got you know, dad energy. So it's just
kind of funny to see that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, how does how does that that energy?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know you laughing joke about it, but like, how
does that energy? What does that bring to the team,
Like just that like that consummate professional guy's been there,
done that.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, sability.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
You need guys like that that are kind of like
the pillars of your team, you know, for sure, a
guy you can go to, a guy that kind of
winning things are tough. You look at him and see
how he's handling it, you know, and that give it
inspires you to keep going.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
This last one for you kind of off the wall.
But let's say football never existed as a sport, what
are you playing professionally?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Soccer?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay? Did you play soccer growing up?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like one year? Okay, yeah, one year, and I was
pretty decent. Like I think just athletically.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Would have been all right, But position.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Probably probably would have just been like an effort guy forward.
I mean, like just effort guy. I don't have great
touch on anything. I don't think I'm sitting in a
midfield bit. I think they just running around people. Just
being aggressive upfront would be.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Probably maybe like you know, you're maybe like a false nine.
You're kind of like backing guys down and a little
bit yeah okay.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You know, yeah, probably could have been a pretty decent
defender too.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know, yeah, that would make sense playing linebacker in
the NFL. Yeah, yeah, love it. Cool shagu Alube, appreciate
your time, man, great talking see here with Colts defensive
tackle to Forrest Buckner. So I've been asking a couple
of your teammates who's the most dad person on the team,
and they all have been saying you. Shagu Alube even
said his mom calls you dad because but like that,
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there's something to that, Like that just steady professional energy
that you have. Yeah, over your nine years in the NFL,
what is how he maybe learned the importance of that
and bringing that energy to a team.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Yeah, I would say I learned from one of the best,
Joe Staley. You know, when I was the Niners. He
was actually one of the vets that I even even
though we were in the same position group, I just
from afar, you know what I mean, really paid close
attention to how he carried his business on and off
the field, and you know, I just saw him he
was a true professional and he had a lot of
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respect around the building. And uh, those were one of
some of the things that I wanted to, you know,
emulate a little bit and and take what, you know,
what he did on and off the field, and I
wanted to kind of, you know, do the same.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
When you watch football. Let's say it's not not a
Colts game, but who do you maybe gravitate toward watching
their game? And it doesn't have to be a defensive player,
but just when you put on a highlight or you
get served on Instagram, like, who do you kind of
gravitate toward?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Honestly, I gravitate towards D lineman Like you know, I'm
obviously I'm a D liman and I love D line play.
So you know, anytime I'm watching the game where it's
a primetime game, I'm tuned into what the d Lin's doing,
you know, just from you know, obviously seeing how they
you know, some of the moves that work for them
and little things like that, or or just in general,
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like I love seeing D Lion's take over a game,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm always staying tuned
into that.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
When you watch football as a fan, or can you
watch football as a fan even like when you watch
it on TV, Like how do you consume I mean,
it's like a TV broadcast you're not getting the All
twenty two. Yeah, but like, how do you consume that
as someone who plays the game.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah, it's honestly, it's hard to watch football as a
fan because I just know it's you know, too much
that's going on. Yeah, you know, certain situations what they
should be doing and things like that, and obviously, like
when I'm watching them, like why would they do it?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know what i mean?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, little things like that or oh he's not he's
not supposed to do that in certain situations where it's like, oh,
you know, there's a great play in that situation. So
I'm always looking at it and watching and watching it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Like film, right, Like how do you then when you
watch another sport? Yeah, you're watching the Pacers, You're watching
you know whatever.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
I'm I'm a fan when it's another sport. I mean,
I'm I feel like a fan watching you know what
I mean. I mean, I can like basketball, I can
I can kind of see certain things where, you know,
because I played it growing up, and so I can
see certain things that they do and I'm like, why
would he do that?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know what i mean? Or But majority of the.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Time I'm just tuned in and I'm sharing like a
whole like a whole fan.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
See, Like I like watching basketball because I can be
like a dumb fan watching basketball, like I watch football
and like I don't know as much as you know
you and the other players do, but like I know
enough to know, like I can't watch it and like
really get invested in basketball. I'm like dumb as right,
why did he miss that shot?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like that, and that's kind of nice to have that outlet.
But I remember I was talking about this with shit Good.
But I had this conversation with Zaire. He's a big
sixers guy, and he's like, I can't get mad at
the players because I know what it takes to be
a professional. After Like when you even if it's a
sport that you don't know anything about, you know, you're
watching baseball or or whatever, do you still have to
like catch yourself sometimes knowing that, hey, these are the
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elite of the.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, definitely, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Like, like I said, I get caught up sometimes like
as a fan, but you put yourself in those their
shoes and you're like, man, everybody has a bad game,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I've had bad games, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
It's not that I'm a bad player, it's just it's
one of those It's just one of those days for
that player. You know what I'm saying. He had about
he had off day, and now I want to see
the next game how he responds, you know what I'm saying.
And that's what That's what it's all about. It's a
it's a marathon.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
What is something about playing in the NFL that someone
who doesn't play in the NFL could never understand?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I would say, I mean they see all the you know,
obviously game days they see, they see the off season
when we're posting on social media for on a nice
trip or whatever it is. But I mean, they truly
don't know what it takes year in and year out
to go out there and perform, you know what I mean,
and perform at a high level.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
They don't see the sacrifices that you make, you know,
spending weeks or months away from the family and the
off season, you know, to train and get ready for
the season, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, those
are some of the little things that I always think about,
Like see fans don't they think that I'm just in
the off season just kicking my feet up, trying to
play golf, you know what I mean, or fish or
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whatever it is. And and it's the total opposite, you
know what I mean. Like I try to find times
to go do some of the stuff that I like
to kind of get my mind away and get a
little refresher, But majority of.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The time and we're working.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I can confirm that, by the way, because I saw
you at the gym.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
One day we're at Oswell, Yeah, and I saw you
working out with these like bands and these weights. Yeah,
and you introduced me to your training and I was like, yeah, man,
I see you working out here with the you know,
same equipment, but like just different weights, yeah, and different
you know, you would like the XXL resistance band on.
I mean, but like that was like, I don't know,
February maybe, yeah, you know, and you're you're still putting
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in the work.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, definitely all throughout the year for sure. Yeah, it's
a year. It's a year on thing, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
I always talked to my trainer and we always say,
like he's always.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Telling me about how my weight doesn't fluctuate or all
that kind of stuff, because I'm like, I always want to.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Stay in shape.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
It's you know, it's it's it's hard to get into shape.
It it's easy to get out of shape. So I
always try to year around, even if it's not a
whole lot, you know what I mean. I just want
to continue to like, you know, I want to get
into the off season, like I'm still doing a little
some cardio, some core, you know, just to you know,
keep my body moving, staying in shape so that you know,
when the time comes, you know, I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Behind the e Bay Grover.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Fully commit. You didn't fully commit. You have to fully commit.
She's got one foot in, one foot out.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, that wasn't all in on that, you know. I
mean you you were getting it. You're doing pretty good.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
See he's trying too hard. Huh. Yeah he's thinking.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
He heard.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, you're thinking too much about it. Just let it happen.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I mean you gotta.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You can't start thinking because then you're playing slow. You're
yelling exactly. That's how I that's how I give him
an example.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But it might be too loud for the mic.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Well, I mean I Uh, I've done. I've done the
like my third down call in the mic before. So
if you want to hit it just to throw them off,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's how you do it. There we go.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We can always take that down in post.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So for our audio listeners, what's your favorite Grover Stewart story?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
My favorite Grover Stewart's story. Man, there's a lot. There
is a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Man, uh.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh man, I gotta go deep in the archives here.
Let's see. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Hold on, Okay,
I got one for you. So this is years ago.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
So if you don't know Grove, he lives you know,
down south out you know, South Georgia, and uh, you know,
anytime in the all, in the off season, when you
try to, you know, get hold.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Of him, it's impossible, you know.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
So like you know, if you say you want to
call him, he might not call you back till a
week later, you know what I mean. So there's one
time I need I actually had something on my mind
and I have to ask Grove the question. And so
this is the off season, this is about this around March,
and I call him one day. Don't hear back from him.
So I'm like, oh, man, I really needed to.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Ask gro this question.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Does it go straight to voicemail or sometimes it will
rings sometimes you just go straight to the voicemail, you know.
So I was like, he must be busy, but he's
also he's probably on like his zero turn mower or something,
mowing to grass or something.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
And uh So about a week goes by and girls
calling me.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I'm like, oh, girl calling me, answer the phone. What's up? Bro?
He said, are you called?
Speaker 8 (21:12):
A week later?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I just told him.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
All I said was Bro, that was last week. Bro,
Get off my phone. Bro, have a good one. That
was it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And then and then we get here.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
And he's like, man, Buck, don't you never called me
in the off season? Yeah, that's one of my stories
about growth. But uh, I mean I got a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's just one of them.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Just you know, just tell you you know how he
is in the off season. He's extra municado, yeah, but
also still putting in the work.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yeah, I'm I can always I always know. I mean,
when when time comes, he's gonna be ready. When the
time come, they gonna know, they're gonna I know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Though, all right, Okay, question for both of you guys.
I did this a couple of years ago, but I
want to bring it back. Let's say football never existed
as a sport. But you guys are great athletes. What
sport are you playing professionally right now?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I've probably be an Olympics for like a shot put discus.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Olympic shot put discus. I could see it, all right,
Did you do that in high school? Okay, you like
a Georgia like class state champion or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Oh yeah, I will. I love it. For me, I'll
probably choose I go golf.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
See you said basketball three years ago. Yeah, I know,
And but you're a stick now. Definitely not a stick now.
But but if I really really really put the work in, you.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Know, if I if I started from a young age,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I would have been pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yeah, you know, I got that good natural swing. I
got a lot of power behind it. I don't even
have to hit you know, swing that hard when I
do hit it right, you know what I mean. But
majority of the time I am swinging out of my shoes.
So that's that's the part where you know, I don't
get out as much, you know, to get out there
and play what if I did.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, That's what I just keep telling myself is that
I need to get out more for sure, and that
i'd be great on PG.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
My son does have a swing, yeah, m early. He's
a five five Yeah, okay, I started him at like
three and a half. It was actually his idea, which
was great.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, So I just took I just took my five
year olds to uh, the driving range on Sunday. They're terrible, yeah,
and no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You just gotta get going on it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, going on it, you know what I mean, get
out there. You know, you gotta gotta put in the work.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I mean it's it is challenging, you know when they
want to do it themselves, Like no, then I got it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I got it. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I'm like, okay, all right, you know kind of dying
a little bit inside, is there chunking away? Yeah, but
you know what, they'll figure it out. Yeah. To Forrest Buckner,
appreciate it. Growth, You appreciate you coming by, Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
On, appreciate it. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Here with Colts Defensive end Quitty pay. The last couple
of weeks have been pretty special around this city. With
the Pacers going on a run. You got the fever
season starting got the Indy five hundred uh with the
Pacers specifically, Like you've been here now for four years?
What is this run that they've been on. Maybe shown
you about this city.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Just how crazy the fans get, you know, when when
the team's doing well, and you know, the fans wanting
the team to do well so they can go out
and show out for their team and you know brag
to the whole world that you know, they have the
best team in the in the country, so you know,
it makes us want to go out there and play.
You know, we were in the in Asana after practice
one of these days and like, man, like the Pacer
are doing anything and we have to go out there
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and you know, ball out this season so we can
have our fans come out and show out for us.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It seems like kind of a common threat. Like when
I've asked you know, you and your teammates about the Pacers,
they say like, yeah, it's been really cool, but like
it's also motivating, yeah for us to see how the
city can rally behind one of their teams here. Yeah, yes, sir,
what about just maybe like your interactions with people around town,
like involving the Pacers. Like, I know you've gone to
a couple of games, Like when they talk to you
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about the Pacers, do they also say like and hey,
you know we want we want the Colts to hit
that point too.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Oh yeah, for sure, you know, just like from fans
run into you know, we just talked about Pacers and
then after that, so I was like, you guys are
up next, you know, like seasons coming up makesure you
guys are ready and you know, and we're we're ready.
We're preparing right now when ready to go?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean asking a couple of guys about this. But
like when you go to a Pacers game, like a
PACER's playoff game, you know what it takes for those
guys to get on the court as professional athletes. Yeah,
do you have to like catch yourself like not getting
like frustrated or like mad at them because you know
they are the elite of the elite, just like you
guys are as NFL players. And it's just I don't know,
it's a way to kind of ask like how do
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you watch a game as a fan?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah? I mean, like for me, like I go full
on as a fan, okay to me, like I can't lie,
like I'm cause coming from like a small state, like
I feel like we just were big fans of like
professional athletes. So I'm not the kind where like I'm
a I'm a pro athlete, where like I can't be
a fan of myself. But you know, I definitely respect
them as far as like, you know, the level that
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they're at and stuff like that. It's just fun to see.
It's fun the route for them. It's fun to be
with the other fans, you know, just be a part
of you know what, una just supporting our home team.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
They also pace for support the Colts pretty well. I
mean to be like Tyree dancing you know on the
suite with Blue like that. That's a pretty cool like
relationship the two teams seem to have here.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, I think I think it's special, you know where
it's a good relationship and you know, like we're in
the same city, you know, not too like the states
are right next to each other, so it's easy for
us to support each other. And yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What's a piece of wisdom maybe you've like you've gained
or you've learned or you've realized about like what it
takes to play in the NFL over your your career
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So Farm, I'll probably say my favorite African proverb to
the patient man will come all the riches of the world.
And that doesn't necessarily have to do with money, just
as far as like, you know, just trusting the process,
you know, sticking to what you know, and you know,
just you know, staying hard at work and being consistent
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and you know everything that you want will will be
there for you when it when the time is ready.
You know, when the time comes, you'll be prepared and
you know you'll succeed. But you just have to you know,
be patient, just keep consistent with with what you're doing,
and you know, just trust.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
How is DeForest Buckner maybe like reinforce that kind of
like when you're talking about there the presence that he
brings to this team.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, you know, anytime buck is out there, you know,
it gives everyone like an extra sense of confidence playing
out there. You know, we have some special players, but
you know, having Big Line nine out there, you know,
for me, it kind of gives us just a unit
him and Big Rove out there. You know, we kind
of feel invincible, and you know, just seeing how he
prepares every single day, how he comes in, how he's consistent,
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you know, usually one of the first in the building.
Attention to detail and practice, you know, and kind of
just instilling the idea of you know, if you're not
getting better, you're getting worse. So every time he goes
out there to practice, he's always looking to improve on something,
and you know he's going to year ten and just
seeing that, you know, because I think especially most vets
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me more more. I mean not most vets, but a
lot of vets they kind of, you know, chill a
little bit when it comes to practice and stuff like that,
taking care of the bodies. But when he goes out there,
you know he's going and you know he wants to improve.
So just seeing that, seeing that from a ten year vet,
you know, gonna be a you know, to me, a
first battle of Hall of Famer speaking into existence. But
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you're just seeing that from him and aspires the rest
of us young guys, and it inspires you know, the
whole team in.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
General, even like I'm guessing probably too with just something
as simple as like a basic install on like day
one of OTA's I know, like, you know, like with
Lou coming in, it's probably different than you've had over
the last couple of years. But he strikes me as
the kind of guy who, like, even if he's installed
this play for ten straight years, he's still gonna take notes,
he's gonna run him down. Yeah, and he's gonna think,
you know, hey, there might be something new I can
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learn from hearing us.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, definitely, I would say too, Like one thing I
kind of peeped as we're in like the big unit meetings,
just even when he's talking about coveragers bucks rying that
because he'll know, like, all right, like if we're in
dis coverage, I'll have this amount of time to you know,
get to the quarterback or I could pull out my
best pass rush moved because I know I'm gonna have
a little more could we have sticky coverage in the
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back end. So just seeing him have attention to detail
as far as like the whole scheme and knowing what
everyone's doing, it kind of like inspires the rest of us,
you know, kind of follow suit and do the same
as well. Just being smarter on the field, and you know, yeah,
he's he's just a smart dude on the like he'll
just see stuff and he'll help the rest of us,
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and yeah, like a real key factor in our in
our in our defense.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I've asked a couple couple of your teammates, like
who gives off the most dead energy on the team,
and they've all said it's Buck.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah. I'll probably say Buck, and then right after that,
I'll probably say Grove. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean they're the two experienced guys in the middle.
We just kind of bring that that steadiness. I could
see Buck is like the Grove is like kind of
the goofy dad.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh yeah for sure. Yeah, come in, buzz Joe. It's
making fun of you. But at the same time, like
he'll show you love.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
What's something about playing in the NFL that someone who
doesn't play in the NFL couldn't really understand.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'd probably say, like, there's off time, but at the
same time, it's not really off time. It's like we
have an off season. But if you want to, you know,
be special, if you want to be elite, you're damn
near training all season long, You're taking care of your
body all year long, and you have you need to
have to have a routine for in season, off season,
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you know, just being attentive to like what you put
into your body, how you're training, how long you're training.
You have to factor into vacation time. Everything has to
be like on a schedule because once the season ends,
like you're on the you're on the clock. You have
so many so much time until we come back to OTA.
You have to make sure you prepare for OTAs. While
we're in we're getting better with the team, learning new scheme,
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whatever it may be. And then once we break that
little month and have time, you're preparing again for camp.
And then once it begins to camp, it's like the
grind never stops, you know, so it's like a never
ending cycle. So the sacrifices, I would say first and foremost,
and then just like being like a real person outside
of you know, having the jersey on, the helmet on,
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because you know, we have responsibility as far as like
wives and girlfriends and kids and stuff like that, and
you know, this is a real busy job where it's
from you know, sometimes five am to late night.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You told me your schedule out of like what your
Friday schedule was once and I was like, I genuinely,
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, exactly, you know, and like when I come home,
it's like I go straight to sleep. And you know,
if you have kids, you have a partner or whatever,
you have to factor all that into and it's like, yeah, so,
I mean it's very hard. But at the same time,
we're blessed to be where we are. We're living the dream,
living on our childhood dreams, and you know, just we're
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just blessed.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
All right. Last one, I asked this question of couple
of years ago, but I'm bringing it back. If football
never existed, sport never existed, what are you doing professionally?
What are you playing professionally?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Like what sport professionally?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Because I mean, you're you're a really good athlete. You
could probably have made it in another sport.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So my first sport was track. I would like to
think I could play basketball, but I'm just I'm too short.
I'm six two and I'm just yeah, I don't like
i'd be I'd be a Josh Hart. I would be
oh yeah, I could be a guard, but yeah, passing
the ball out, I'll give you about ten points, but
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I'm a I'm a second after guy.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You Okay, I think I think that would be my
role double yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, but if not that, man, I ran track all
the way through high school. You know. My sophomore year
I was drank like seventh amongst all sophomores in the country,
and long jump I jumped twenty two to six. I
was the anchor of my four by one team. You're
the anchor on a four by one Yeah, yes, sir.
And then we went to Nationals every year anchored there
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and then yeah, man, like my like, we want to
stay every year. I had points and shot put, long jump,
one hundred meters, dash two hundred meters like I was
you know.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I was like, what do you think you would have
ran at the combine because there was no combining year
you came out.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, uh combine for forty yard dash. Yeah. So my
pro day I did a four or five to two
at two sixty something. I was like two sixty five.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Just so our listeners and viewers know that's insane.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah. And then I surprised myself with the bench honestly, like,
going through combine prep, I was only able to hit
like thirty on the bench. But then like pro they
like I just got like a shoot of like adrenaline
and I hit thirty six on the bench and that
was my pr. I was, yeah, I pr that day.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Didn't you have some legeny like three cone?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
My three cone was six three seven, and that's like
that's better than most most dvs.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, so if only a chance to pull those
out pretty pay. Appreciate your time, man, thanks, coming on.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm joined by Colt's wide receiver Ashton Dueling. What year
is this for you?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Now? This is year seven.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You're seven when you came out of Malone University, which
no longer is a football program. And if someone would
have told you you're going to be seven years into
the NFL with a very stable career, what would you
have thought in that moment?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I would have said, I appreciate the compliment and the high.
The high thought of me been crazy to think about
as a kid, you know, as you know, Kay, you
dream of stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm going to be doing it right now. I know.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I just make my family probably and everybody around me.
So that's that's that's one thing I do it for
is just for them. So I couldn't be more more
proud of myself and my family.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
The odds are stacked an undrafted free agent because the team,
you know, they didn't commit a draft pick to you.
You've got to consistently prove yourself. You've done that and
you've earned two contract extensions from the Colts. How do
you kind of continue and keep that mindset, that like
undrafted mindset even in year seven to kind of fuel
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your role and your position on this team.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I think it just it just makes me feel feel
good the fact that you know, this organization believes in me,
but just believing myself as well. Like you said, undrafted guys,
you know they kind of not to say they're to
behind already, but they have a little bit more, you know,
work to put in as far as earning their their reputation,
earning their role in the team. And I think for
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me that was a mindset I kind of had, was
knowing that I got to come in and work every
day regardless of you know, where you come from or
what you do and who's ahead of you. Just got
to put your head down to work.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Do you like look back in it and realize, like
I could not have screwed up like early on in
my career, because you know, one one mistake for an
undrafted free agent, You're you're out the door.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Sometimes, Yeah, that's that's kind of how it feels. To
say that's perfect is not what the case was. I
definitely made my shared mistakes, but to learn from that
is probably the biggest thing and not make that same
mistakes twice. Grow from them. The mistakes you made, the
failures and nothing but successes. So turn those failures into
success and then you'll you'll see yourself grow.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
How have you viewed yourself as like a veteran and
like the experienced guy, whether it's in the wide receiver room,
the special teams room, you know, guy who has had
a lot of experiences in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
For me, I just try to come in and do
my job every day, knowing that more of a lead
by example type of guy, just going on in the
field and working on and off the field, doing what
needs to be done in the in the treatment room,
in the weight room, film you know, because this game
is is more than just just on the field. It
takes a lot of stuff to do outside of the
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facility and then taking care of your body and stuff
like that. So for me, it was just being a
pro to right way.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
That's something that you know, the the other stuff that
you have to do. I think it's hard to understand
that if you aren't a player in the NFL. Do
you think do you think people get the full scope
of like all the work you have to put in,
the hours of treatment, the sacrifices you have to make
to even just get on the field for a practice,
let alone a game.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I don't think sometimes people don't understand that it's the
full time job. When I explain people that I'm in
the building from some days from seven in the morning
to you know, six o'clock at night, They're like, really,
I have to just go to practice for a couple hours.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like, no, it's it's a job.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Like you're there from from sun up to sundown and
even after that when when when you're out the building,
you're still working because you still got to make sure
you're eating right, washing film, getting the proper rest, and
then getting up and doing all over again.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
The eating right part, Like, do you do you have
like a week in the off season where you can
like have like a pizza or something or like it's
just like doesn't have to constantly be a thought of yours.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
See, all season is definitely a time where I can
kind of sit back and unbuckled the belt buckle to
slay the least and just just kind of pig out
for a little bit. But not too crazy though, because
you know, because you have to get back to working
out and and and getting back to that routine. But
there's definitely a period of time where I'm not worrying
about what I'm eating.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Does your like does your body almost like reject it?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Though?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I mean seven years in like, because I think if
you're if you're if I to guess if your body's
used to eating you know, lean proteins and veggies and
you know, complex carbs and all these things that like,
once you get away from that for a little bit,
your body's like what are you? What are you doing here?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Like it's it's your body kind of you wake up
the next morning you're like, oh, I definitely ate you know,
a cheeseburger and some had some French fries with with
with bacon and cheese on it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But you know, you enjoyed the same time.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Your mentals like, yeah, I kind of needed that just
kind of sit back and relax and kind of just
enjoy the food.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
What do you have to do to take care of
your mental in the off season, you know, outside of
maybe just saying hey, I can go out that cheese burner.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
You know, I think for me, it's just being around
my family. That's probably the biggest thing for me is
I'm a big family guy. So having that time just
to sit back and kind of not worry about football
and just take vacations, go out whatever it is, just
have a good time and kind of just sit back
in the backyard and relax and then just enjoy the weather,
whatever it may be. Where if we're at it's kind
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of my my sit back and relax and just enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
What's your aspirational vacation spot, Like, where do you want
to go.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm a big Arizona guy. I go out to Arizona
probably every off season, whether it's to train or just
to go out of vacation. Like this pass off season
with the took some of my friends all took a
little vacation out the Arizona and just just good to
just kind of sit back and there's no beach involved,
but it's always hot, but the weather's not too crazy.
It's kind of like eighty five, nice little breeze but
(39:41):
in the summertime it gets to like one ten. But
I still love it even though it's still one hundred
and ten degrees. I'm like, give it to me. I
don't care. It's whatever. It's the per vacation spot for me.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You're more of a mountains guy than a beach guy, I.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Would say, so.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
I mean, I enjoy the water, but I'm not gonna
get into the beach all the time, just because you know,
there's a lot of what they say, sharks, I saw
a lot of stuff. You don't know, a lot of
unknowns out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, I feel you feel you. So my kids
take like two steps into the beach and you know,
it's like a like a like at the lake, and
I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
There's something I don't know. You know what I'm saying,
like is the the ocean is too vastable. Plays we
haven't explored everything, so we don't know what's done at ourselves.
So it's for me, it's just give me a nice
little view atv ride a little bit, and then just enjoy.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
It, all right. So I asked you this question a
couple of years ago, and I've brought it back just
for this podcast. If football never existed, what sport would
you be doing professionally right now?
Speaker 5 (40:37):
I think I have probably the same answer. That'd be
running track. Yeah, I'd be a hurdler for sure. That
was my sport all growing up THEYD in college as well,
so I'll definitely be on the track.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
So the hurdles, what distance are you hurdling at four hundred?
So I was just talking to Jalen Jones about like
the four hundred was his event, and he's like, you
got the one hundred and two hundred, those are sprints,
but he's like, the four hundred, you gotta you gotta
have like the mental fortitude to push through those last
hundred meters.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Absolutely, But he's we.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Were talking about Sidney McLoughlin like in the four hundred,
because she's running the hurdles faster than people are running
the four hundred. Flash, how do you have to like
what is your mentality you have to be to run
the four hundred hurdles?
Speaker 5 (41:18):
I mean it's pretty much like a four hundred. You
gotta attack it like you gotta have the endurance of
a distance runner. But the sprinter, the sprints of a sprinter,
it's it's really when you said that last hundred is
whatever you got left. Uh, you kind of you kind
of treat that first three hundred like it's all out sprint.
And then they always say, like the analogy is you
get to get the monkey on your back for the
last hundred meters and then just kind of whatever heart
(41:40):
you got, you know, finish it off.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
But it's definitely it's not for the week, I tell
you that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
But the hurdle aspect of it, I can't even fathom,
like running that far and then also you got to
jump over these things. What technique do you need to
do that?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
For me, it was just whatever leg comes up that
has to lead, that's the leg that that leads. Some
guys like to try to count their steps. For me,
it was just I just go just run, you know,
whatever leg comes up, that's the leg I go over with.
And then I think about it after the fact. I
failed probably one time in my whole career in the
four hundred hurdles. Wasn't happy about it, got out finished whatever,
(42:17):
But some people got technique.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I just go out and run, all right.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
So if you're building a team of four hundred hurdles
on the colts, your teammates. Who are you taking with?
If you're the anchor, who you taking with?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Let's see, that's a great question. I think I'll go on,
why fight Kenny? Be good? Kind of good.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
I think Kenny has had some good injury. I probably
take Kenny. Kenny my first leg, I go Alec Pearce.
I know Ale can run. I got a pretty good speed.
I go Alec Pierce, and I go add nine. Okay, yeah,
I think that'd be my three, right.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I like it three. I mean you gave the DBS
a shout there. I did three other wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
I think I think Kenny will be able to hold
up pretty well, and he has the endurance for it.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I could see that he's got the mental.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Ford take to keep going.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Ashton Dole appreciate your time here on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Thanks m
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