April 8, 2025 • 36 mins
In the debut episode of High Volume, Jeffrey Gorman sits down with Bruce Arians, the former Colts assistant and Super Bowl winner, to hear stories from the legendary coach's career. Jeffrey and Arians get into what it was like to work for the great Bear Bryant, stories from early in Peyton Manning's career with the Colts and his experiences working with quarterbacks like Manning, Luck, Roethlisberger, and Brady. Arians also explains his unique coaching style, why he made an effort to open doors for women in NFL coaching ranks and what he sees in the Colts' quarterback competition between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones.
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At high volume. Hello everyone, and welcome to High Volume.
I am your host, Jeffrey Gorman. This is episode number
one of this podcast, and I want to give you
a little tutorial of what we're trying to do here.
I want to connect with Colts greatness from years past,
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of current years, players on the field now, players that
played for this organization, Hall of famers, coaches that have
coached here, coaches that are coaching now around the league,
players that have played here and now playing in the league.
I want to touch on a lot of different people
and a lot of different viewpoints of how the Colts
touched them and the greatness they achieved. We've got some
good ones coming up. The first one former coach of
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the Colts, an offensive coordinator, a tight ends coach and
interim head coach, a two time NFL Head Coach of
the Year, and Super Bowl champion. We start with Bruce Arians.
What a story he has, one of the greatest offensive
minds in football, who I think is a Hall of Famer.
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Have been waiting for this for a long time. We
welcome in one of the greatest coaches in the NFL
College Football. I don't care. You can throw it in
Bruce Arians welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh that's great to be on guys, Thank you, coach.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I want to I'm a little ticked off at the NFL,
and I'm gonna tell you why your nine wins that
you got here as an interim head coach do not
count toward your head coaching rerecord all time overall, which
is a travesty right there, because if those nine victories
are given to you, you are right behind the grades
of Bill Walsh Vince Lombardi. You're right in the same
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neighborhood as that. Does that take you off a little
when you think about your career and your legacy.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, not at all, because that was Chuck's team. I
never considered myself the head coach, you know. I was
just a guy that took his spot for a minute
and h called the plays and decided whether we go
for all fourth down and give a city speech on
Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, well, I mean there was a little bit more
to that, but you were ready for that moment obviously,
being a head coach at Temple. How did that affect you?
I want to go back there. We're going to go
over your quarterbacks and everything throughout your career, your stay
here in Indy. But that's particular season when you got
the news of Chuck's diagnosis and all of a sudden, BA,
you got to go into high full gear, not only
calling plays, but you got to run that locker room.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah. For me, it was the first time I really
learned what the word delegate meant. There wasn't time to,
uh to change anything, and we didn't need to change anything.
You know, we had a good staff. You know, NUSK,
you do your job, move f you do your job.
I'll just I'll decide whether we go for it all
fourth down and I'll give a bad speech, like I said.
But uh, you know, we always dressed Chuck's locker. No
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one ever sat in front seat of the bus. I
mean we had a head coach, you know, and it
was just a little different leadership for a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, I got u NFL Coach of the Year honors
along with Chuck McGonnell, one of two that you have
obviously in a Super Bowl victory as well. I think
you're a Hall of Fame coach. We'll talk about that
at another conversation down the road, but I want to
start early on if I could. The fun part about
this is you as a quarterback at Virginia Tech, I
mean one hundred and eighty degree difference from the play
calls that you have in the NFL. You ran a
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veer offense as a quarterback with eleven rushing touchdowns. How
does Bruce arians you know, he does something, he says
it works, and then all of a sudden flips the
switch and says, I got to completely change this offensive
mind game plan.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah. I was fortunate enough my first three years to
play under Dan Henny and back of Don Strock, who
played in the league for sixteen years, my best quarterbacks
in college football. So I learned the passing game, and
then Jimmy Sharp came in and I learned to wishbone
and all the coverage that we used to see as
a passing team we never saw. We had one on
one all day. So this is the greatest test offense
go except I went three games of two games without
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completing the past but it was totally different, but it
was It was great learning experience, and it really when
you look back at all the play action stuff we
started with Peyton, it really goes back to the wishbone.
Play action, full full speed down the line, throw it
back across the field, and uh, you know, it was
so much fun incorporating those two offenses.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Absolutely, I tell you, I just gotta We're gonna bounce
over your career. But uh, I got to get to
that Bear Bryant story. You coached under the Great Bear
Bryant and you come over from Mississippi State and low
and behold, they say, hey, here's a full time job,
and then it goes back to part time. Can you
just share that story with us when when you dragged
he was forced to bring Paul Bear Bryan off the
golf course to talk to one of his assistant coaches.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, they had just passed a new rule in the
n CUBA about the number of guys guys can recruit.
And you know, I was the new guy on staff.
I came after spring practice and normally they thought, hey,
we'll just put him down, leave the other guys who
have been recruiting recruiting, And basically I said, that's not
the job. I signed up for it, and uh and
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walked out and called Jimmy Sharp right away, who got
me the job. The boy was my head coach, and
I said, coach. He said, don't worry about it. Let
me handle it, he called, and uh, I get it
fun go back to the office right now. Well, coach
happened to be out playing golf and he was not
in a happy mood when he came back. I promise
you and basically looked me and I said, uh, you know,
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I didn't think anybody like recruiting. I said, Coach, that's
part of being a full time coach. Now, if this
is a job you offered me three weeks ago, I
still be at Misissippi State, and he set up out
that he's going to drill me. He just looked me dead,
and I said, boy, I don't talk out of both
sides of my mouth. Get your ass out of here,
start recruiting.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There it is, and the rest is history. I love that.
Not many, not many coaches stick on the Paul Bear Bryant,
but I want to stay there for a minute. Not offensively,
not ex's and o's. But what did you learn and
take away from Coach bear Bryant in your head coaching career?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh he was a master of personnel. Excuse me, he
just he could He could make you feel great with
two words. And he loved ripping my ass. Because I
was young, cocky thought I knew everything and he knew it.
I bet he saw something, so he loved he loved
ripping my butt. And uh, but we played sixty six
players in every game. He substituted every single player. You
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didn't even think about sending in another player. I recall,
we're playing Kentucky, were supposed to be winning by twenty
We're down seven, We're down six. We got the ball
in two yard light coming out, and we dressed nine
running backs for the game, the third strings out there.
I'm like, malboy, what are we doing? You know he
ain't gonna say anything. Coach Bryant, Right, one guy makes
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a miraculous catch. You other guy makes a hell of
a block. But you have to here come the starters.
We go down the field. Score never questioned him ever again.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Really, what about how about when you had those five
star athletes compared to those three star athletes and they
weren't getting on the field. Were you? Were you pushing
Coach Brian a little bit, saying, hey, probably the philosophy
you're working Acob the best right here in the sec.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, No, back then, there was no five star three
story of that stuff. You know, just you were. You
were a Alabama football player.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We'd have this morning morning meeting Saturdays before the game.
He starts to start lineup and I said, Coach, why
are we starting him? You coach him Alina money right right.
Of course I couldn't take that answer. Oh well, wait,
he's a better you coach him Alnam Yes, sir, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Absolutely. Hey, you got to take that information from the
great Bear Bryant, And obviously coach had stick stuck with you.
I want to get into uh. I thought of you
the other day when I heard a quote and it's
from John Lennon, the Beatle Great, and he had said,
I'm an artist. You give me a tuba and I'll
get you something out of it. And I thought of
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you in that regard. If you give you a quarterback
with a couple of different just a couple, just a
couple of things that are better than the others around him,
what are those two things that you'll look for out
of a quarterback that you say, Hey, I can make
something out of this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I call it grit. It's a combination leadership, courage, the
ability to lead men in a huddle. And uh, then
I'm looking for accuracy now, velocity, accuracy, and if a
guy can process information and he's accurate with the football,
we can make him a winner.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well, you showed that at uh what was it Mississippi
State when you took that kicker, made him into a quarterback.
He ended up being all SEC, ended up playing Canadian
Football League. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, broke all the passing records in the SEC that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Year as a kicker going into the season. I love it. Well,
I want to get to the Indianapolis era and when
you when when you took over here as QB coach,
you got a guy coming in called Peyton Manning. And
you did have a little history with Peyton before the
draft on that you knew him a little bit as
far as the story goes your relationship with him, because
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you're getting this, you know, you're you're getting this this
race horse that you know doesn't get beat by any
other horses. How does your philosophy check early in your
career when you're saying, hey, I got to be on
the same page as this guy and know that I've
got his back and he's got mine.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, it was endless communication and you have to build trust.
You know, don't tell me what I want to hear,
tell me what you really seeing, what you're thinking. And
Peyton was great at it. And uh, you know, I've
never been around the guy that took more notes. Uh
this notebook on top of notebook.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Tom Brady was very similar, but Peyton, no one was
ever going out working. If I had an hour meeting schedule,
I'd better have two hours worth of material.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
The last thing I ever want to do is run
out of material with him in the room and just
continue going over things. And thank god we finally got
those computers that popped up the film and I didn't
have to plug him in and flick out ejective, you know,
And uh, it was an amazing tool for us at that time.
And uh, to zip through the red zone, zip through
the third downs, everything just over and over and over.
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Then he was relentless on the practice field. He was
never used to standing still. At Tennessee. The offense was
on one field, of defense was another. He practiced the
whole time. Well, you know, an NFL defense has a period,
offense has a period. And he in no way he's
gonna stand still other, he's gonna wear other, he's gonna
wear Marvin and receivers out throwing our period and go
over there, throw twenty five best then you know, and
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tight ends come over here, you know if you're not
practicing over here, and uh, and then I'd say, man,
they've run up today. Let's just do drills. Yeah, and
we do drill after drill after drill, and then then
go back. But he could never stand still.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, you coach him hard. You love him hard, but
you coach them hard. You've said that in your book,
The Quarterback Whisper. How How what kind of fine line
is that? Because you're one way. I've seen one hundred
of year practices and you're barking at anybody that's not
doing the right thing, whether it's Peyton Manning or the
fifty third guy on the roster. How do those quarterbacks,
the Brady's, Roethlisberger's and Manning, how do they approach your
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coaching style? Because you're gonna rip them if something's if
something's not right, it doesn't matter, you're gonna full lay them.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah. I think once you establish yourself, I'll ripped the
second string quarterback and they'll relay the message. Okay, Ben
loves Ben loves telling the story. But I still having
a hand on the bucket button, telling uny what is
he thinking there? I still have my hand on the button. Bens.
I heard you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I love it man, when you're.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
When you're talking, and Andrew tells the same story.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, right right, I'm gonna I'm gonna get to uh
stick with Peyton. I'm gonna go down the quarterback list
with if you don't mind, but sticking with Peyton. Uh,
you know, the rookie year was the rookie year. I
mean you know, he had a ton of interceptions there
as you saw. I think it's still a rookie record.
How did you and Peyton's gonna get mad if he
hears this, But I know you wouldn't lose him. But
how do you keep him with that upward thing, knowing
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that he just set an NFL record for rookie interceptions?
How do you keep that mind straight looking forward to
going in the next year and being great?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, learning from why you know what happened? I think
the worst night was up in New England. I think
he had like four Hey, he's ready to come out,
said no, no, no, we're going two minutes, man, We're
gonna learn something the rest of his game. And he
went down scored a couple of touchdowns in two minute offense,
which he was very comfortable in. You know, but we
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try to learn something each and every week, learn from
those mistakes, and they didn't happen. When you look back
in the last eight games in the second time through
the division, there were very very few.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Interceptions right right, And you knew this guy was elite.
You took off for Cleveland, you said goodbye to Peyton
Manning out of Indianapolis, but you knew what you had
there in that quarterback that was Hall of fame all
I mean, did you have him pegged as a Hall
of Famer early in his career? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Totally. After that thirteen to three season, that Big Tournament
three and thirteen thirteen three, we got a little defense.
You know. One guy that never gives enough credit for
that was Corney's Bennet Sure Chris. He came in and
gave a belief to the defense, coming from a championship
program in Buffalo, and instilled it in our locker room
on defense and it changed everything.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I'm gonna I could sit and talk to me
about Peyton. Those are your two hours. But I just
want to go down a list of your career. You
move on to Cleveland. Tim Couch is there, Kelly Holcombs
there again, you still find a way to win. I
know those years were specialty in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh totally. You know Timmy Couch, he gets that label
was a bust. But man, Timmy was a player. I
mean he was a three point shooter. He took us
to the playoffs and broke his leg in the last game.
Of course, Kelly gets his shot and you go throw
for four hundred and twenty in the playoff game like
he always does, and all of a sudden we had
a controversy. But then Timmy got hurt again. Yeah, but yeah,
Kelly's probably my favorite of all. I can't take any
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credit for Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Palmer. Luck God made those
in their parents. I got a little hand making Kelly,
just a.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Little, Okay, I bet a few of those that disagree
with you. But then we move on from there, we
go into Pittsburgh. You bring up Ben Roethlisberger when again,
when you're cooking or when you're buying the grocery, seeing
what you guys are gonna cook. And you see this
big old and I mean big ol'sucker from Miami of Ohio,
and you say I could do something with him. What
did you like about Roethlisberger early? You know, when he
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came in and you're working relationship with him?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, it started. I was the receiver coase first couple
of years, and uh, you know I hollered and screamed
that receiver. So when I became the coordinator Ben's you
don't holler at me like that. Don't give me a reason. No.
We played a lot of golf together and formed that
same trusting bond, and I think he used to I
think he used to get me because we'd have this
little bet who would score first, him calling plays or me.
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I think he sabotaged me a couple of times. So
he called plays to go down and score.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh is that right? Is that right? I'm telling you? So?
How was that if he did go out and call
his own play after a you know, a check off
on something you called? Was that okay in your book
when you're at that point of your career?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah? I expected it. You know, we did a ton
of check with me's with Tayden with Timmy, with Kelly
and Ben, we would know when we went to huddle.
He called the whole show. I just shut up and
listen because he would run the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Is that right? Wow? That's that's amazing, man. But I
want to stick into the Roethlisberger years. You had a
really close relationship with Ben. I love the story that
you said you you were the only one that got
booed at the Pittsburgh Steelers parade because somebody yelled at
you get a fullback and you said never and they
ended up booing you on that. But you had such
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a great run two super Bowls in Pittsburgh like that,
and the way that you know, lucky for us, the
way that it ended right there. Do you still have
fond memories of Pittsburgh and the way that your career
and what you did, the impact you had on that offense.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah. I was a great eight years, great eight years,
and I wouldn't trade it for anything. And you know,
anytime something comes to an end, I thought it was
over and the Chuck makes the call, and really everything
in my whole life changed after that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Absolutely, So let's stay there. While we're there, you Chuck
calls you in and says, Hey, we got the first
overall pick in the draft. I think I know who
we're gonna take. The boss man upstairs says, it's this guy.
It's not the other guy. Did you start chomping at
the bit a little bit when you said, Hey, I'm
gonna get my hands on Andrew Luck?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yes, to know, it was such a bittersweet thing
because of Peyton's situation, you know, and I had just
been talking to Peyton about coming back and watching him
throw and do some things. You know, I was unable
to cook up with him. But then you know, the
way it went down, it was very very bittersweet, but
then very very exciting on the other side of getting Andrew,
you know, and being able to see the similarities between
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between him and the rest of the great quarterbacks that
we've had, and what he did as a rookie is
still just amazing to.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Me, unbelievable. I mean, what what you both did that
in that season about his his intangibles. You knew you
had something special. Obviously a physical specimen, but the mental
part of it and the leadership part of it, the
you know, the alpha. You need to be that alpha
when you're calling plays in the quarterback in the NFL.
What did you see out of him early that you said, boy,
I could just ride this kid into the sunset.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah. That was out in Stanford at the workout. You know,
we put in some plays early and then we went
out and worked out and came back in and I said,
put that playback up on the board. And he didn't
take any notes, which was shocking to me. And he's
putting it up there. That's not what I said. He said,
that's exactly what you said in the coverage. It's okay,
you got me, you got me. Yeah, the dude had
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a photographic member. He didn't have to take no to.
It was just amazing. And uh, you know every time
in the meeting, you got it, I got it. You
sure you got it? I got it. He had it
every time.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's great, man. I love it because we're going through
your journey of your coaching career right now. We're going
to Arizona. Uh. You know, after you had that great
first season obviously as a coordinator and with the Chuck
Pagano everything that went down with that, you go to
Arizona and when you're coaching Carson Palmer, when you get
your hands on him. That's a veteran at that time.
Are you still are you still the coach that takes
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a little bit from Roethlisberger Manning Luck and then present
it to the new quarterback you're working with in this
case Palmer.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Really with Carson, it was just a matter of the
offense and the terminology. I didn't have to teach the
best deep ball throw I've ever seen. You're gonna you're
gonna build a deep ball throw at Carson Palmer, just
the most beautiful deep ball ever and uh, but just
put putting him in the offense, getting him to understand
the no risk and no biscuit philosophy. Yeah, and uh,
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put a good running game with him. We already had
a good defense, so that part was taking care of it.
Carson was a missing piece. We needed a quarterback to
commit a Sliwi fi to team and and he did it.
And just tremendous respect for his courage and toughness.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Everybody saw you at that point saying I knew it,
I knew this was going to happen. I knew he's
going to be successful as a head coach. To you
and your family, those Arizona years, they were big they
were big out there, and you made such a huge
impact in the Arizona community. You still got friends and
family out there and whatnot and still keep in touch.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah. My son still lives in Phoenix and has you know,
a new granddaughter two months old, and we'll be traveling
back and forth more. But yeah, I got great, great
friends out there. You know, every time we have a
golf term, it's slow doves, that's Arizona people. Fourth of
July here at our house is thirty Arizona people. And yes,
it's always great. Uh, just just fantastic memories. You know.
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We started our foundation in Arizona. Yeah, and it really
took off big. The people embraced us and and really
took care of it. We made it a minor impact
in the situation for the kids in the Americopa County.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Twenty thirteen, maybe fourteen. I may be off a year.
We go out there, the Colts play you in Arizona.
You almost hang fifty on us, And I said to
Tom Moore afterwards, why'd you keep scoring? He's like, wow,
I wanted to get to a hundred, but we couldn't.
We didn't have enough time left on the clock. I
look over we're going to the airport. I look out
the bus window and of course there's Ba and Tom
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Moore and the rest you The trunk is popped, the
coolers there, everybody's having a beer. Players are out there
and coaches as well, and you guys are giving the
old salute to the bus. Have a good ride home.
That one stuck with me a while, Coach, because we
just got like, had our lunch handed to us. And
I know you were over there kind of rubbing your
hands saying, well, it's kind of what I do.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And just think, come on over, boys, you can have
a drink. It's okay. It's just winner lose we booze, you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Know, win or lose we booze. I love it, Bruce.
I love talking with this stuff. But a huge part
of your career is after you left Arizona, you go
and and you take Tampa Bay job, and people were like, wow,
Bba's back. Thank goodness, he's got to work with Jameis Winston.
This is gonna be fun. Now. You put up a
season your offense his for your first year in Tampa
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with over five thousand yards from Jameis Winston. Of course,
he went thirty three and thirty with TV's to interceptions
or whatever. But what was that like? Because you had
a quarterback that was talented like that, you knew you
could air it out with him, but the numbers were ridiculous,
Scott through the roof.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, you know, I had Jamis in the tenth grade
in a little football camp, so I knew I knew
him very well, and it got really excited about taking
that job because I knew he was a good young team.
We thought the world of Jamis has worked, ethic is outstanding,
and uh, you know, Byron Leftis just did an unbelievable job.
Because I get too much credit for that year, Byron
did it all. I mean I would have lost it totally.
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I had to stay away a lot of times and
step back because I just I would rip him too hard, right,
And Byron just did a He had that steady hand
with him and in the last couple of games, if
he didn't throw those picks six is to end the
games week fifteen and sixteen, we're probably sticking with him,
you know. But then we had then we had to
look behind door number two, and you never know what's
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the high door number two. Never thinking it was gonna
be Tom Brady, you know, and then when when Tom
said he'd come, then we had to depart from Jamis.
But I love the kid. I love what he stands for. Man,
he's a great.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Kid, great stories. He's got great memories in you and
you putting up the you know, helping him getting over
five thousand yards. Not many quarterbacks can say that in
the NFL. Hell, he's still playing at a high level now,
the Brady years. I love this one because an assistant
coach of yours that will remain nameless, was out on
the golf course with you at Old Memorial. You're on
number nine. All of a sudden a phone call comes
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in and Ba's golf cart and he says, hold on, boys,
I gotta take this. Uh huh uh huh uh huh okay, good,
hangs up the phone, You give the rest of the
assistant coaches a thumbs up, and then you go put
a three wood on the par five two putt for
a birdie. That was welcome to Tampa Bay, Tom Brady
day right there.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Tell me, baby, there was a lot of a lot
of emotion, a lot of adrenaline in that shot. I
promise you could not excite.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It he stepped out of three Wood once you got Brady.
I love it, But that whole thing came around. How
does your coaching change at that point? Or does it
because you have familiarity with Jamis from the year before,
obviously Carson being a veteran. Now you got arguably the
greatest of all time coming in and you two got
to get on the same page. Was that a fine line?
Was that a slippery slope for you just to kind
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of get a relationship going with Tom first, or did
that happen in years past?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No, it really was brand new. You know. He was
always the adversary for Tom Warren Clyde and everybody. Oh
my god, we go we gotta like Brady. But Tom
makes it very, very easy. But you know, it was
such a crazy year when we first started talking. I said, Look,
it's gonna be a whole lot easier for you to
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learn our numbers and our system than twenty one guys
to learn I've been in yours. Yeah, it's hard. I
can't change these guys, cannot learn that. He's no problem.
But then COVID hits and we have no meetings, and
we have no spring practice, and we don't see each
other till training camp, and uh, now we're trying to
they're they're out at Yankee Stadium throwing the ball and
blame Gabbert, God bless him. He's putting in the offense
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and Thomson receivers, Hey, hey, can we run it like this?
And playing with whatever he wants. He wanted a date,
run it a day, that's what he's comfortable with. Just
make sure he nerves hominology. We get the camp, you know,
there's no preseason games. All of a sudden, we got
a scrimmage. I'm like, he's never been in our stadium
and I hate tackling our own guys. I'm like, I'm
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holding my breath. We got this pipe and noise that
they said it's gonna be this many decimals and everything
was brand new that year, and uh, we get off
to a pretty slow start seven and five, and uh,
but the team was very, very close, and we saw
it and uh, you know, a big game for us
was in Atlanta that you were down seventeen nothing and
a half. We come out and square every possession of
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the second half and then it winning and never lose
them again. But uh, it took a while for Tommy
to get it and uh to get to break his
hole to some no risk and no biscuit stuff. You know,
I always talk about, you know, the fourth down planet
in Green Bay with a punt right now. Yeah, the
worst thing to do they get a field goal was
to be winning and he throws touchdown pass. They say
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that stuff pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Man. The relationship that you have to have with the
guy of that caliber. Did you bite your tongue coach?
Did you did you find yourself not coaching the way
that you normally do, or hey, this is what you
this is what you get when you're talking when you're
playing under Bruce Arians because there has been I've heard
coaches say I've never heard anybody talk to Brady the
way that Bruce Arians has.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, it was. It was a great relationship, you know,
and again Byron was that great mediator. Yeah, you know,
and uh, you know when I talked to tom it
was more about the approach of what we're trying to do.
It's third and five, but if you get this matchup,
that's a touchdown. Yeah, you'd like to get first downs,
but we don't miss these touchdowns. And it took little
bit wild for that. But then as he got real
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comfortable with the receivers, he just flourished in the offense.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Man, I'll tell you what, I was rooting so hard
for you that year. I mean with Clyde and Tom
on that on that staff that you put there, and
the way that you went out. I want to stay there.
You hand picked your successor there and Todd Bowles. Uh,
that was something that's been I believe what I read
that's been in the back of your head for a
while as far as you picking your successor and how
that I how important that was to you. Is that true?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
True? Very true? And you know I was having a
lot of back issues. I tore my achilles that year.
Ninety percent of my achilles. I had to wear these
damn high heel things and they blew, so I couldn't
stand on the silide. I'd sneak over and sit on
the bed and next to the quarterbacks exactly. I was
coaching them just to get off my back.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
For a while.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I knew it's gonna be a problem to do it
another year, and uh, you know, we tried to go
back to back with the Super Bowl and didn't get it.
So for me, it was okay. When does the roomnew
will not in effect. So I'm gonna hang on till
I can definitely make sure Todd gets this job. And uh,
right after the owner's meetings, I actually left early and
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uh and we made an announcement and Todd has done
a great jot've done everything I thought you would do.
And uh, you know, I'm so happy. And I'm still involved.
I'm a consultant with the Bucks. So and uh the
first year I kind of hung around too much. Players
were looking at me. I said, no, no, he's the head coach.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I got to get out of here. So now I play.
I never played golf in the fall. It's pretty nice.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, it is a that's a good deal. Bruce Area's
playing golf in the fall. I'll tell you and anybody
listen out there, if you know, if you know good golfers,
we're talking to one right now. Because this man can
stripe it. I promise you I played with him. So uh.
From from there, when you're talking about Tampa and you
talk about Todd Bowles, the inclusion part of you having
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the staff around you, the female staff members, It didn't
matter what color you wear, what kind of hat you wore,
it didn't matter like that. The inclusion that you have
and that mentality, where did that come from? Because you
were doing stuff on your staff that not many other
head coaches were doing, and quite frankly, you did it
and you didn't give a flip about it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I thought, you know, the having African American coordinators assistant
for three cordinator assistant a coach, but just the best
damn coaches I knew, you know, it just happened to
be African American. Now, some of the young guys that
were former players I thought would be great coaches, like
Byron getting them involved, bringing them up through that little
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program we started with the with the fellowships, Larry Foot,
guys like that. That was by choice. The women that
door need to be knocked down, you know. And you
heard me talk about Dot Murphy, who was just this
year at at the super Bowl with Jennifer Welter and
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that crew, and I seen her coach. So when I
was asking about I said, the best teachers I've ever
had were female, you know. And then this is just
a glorified teaching job. Just a million people watch you
give an exam, you know, and that they flunk, you
get fired. But other than that, it's just still about teaching,
you know. And so I was very very happy to
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have ownership who was all on board, you know, Michael
Bidwell's great and Arizona Brand and Jennifer and then hiring
two full time. And I owe my wife that one
because I said I'm gonna hire two interns. She is, oh,
you hired two interns and throw them away again, not
be full time?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Amazing, You're right.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So I went to Darcy Keswick Glazier, Glazier, Castlewitch and
she was all for it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Wow. I'll tell you what the fun part about that is,
as your career is known as that and you're giving
people chances whether regardless of skin color, race, creed, anything
like that, I think it's amazing that the impact that
women can have in this game. When we're talking, when
you and I aren't even here anymore, I'm talking about
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being really in depth behind this scene because just like
you said, it's a teaching position and a lot of it,
there's a lot of which is on a lot of
staffs that haven't played a high level of football. They
just you know, open their ears and opened their eyes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, definitely, And uh, you know, and I look at
the ones who have persevered to it. You know when
they were playing football with the with the like Jennifer
and those girls were doing amazing glory and uh, you
know there's there's very very qualified coaches out there, and
you know, Tampa Bay, I'm real proud that we've started
this initiative where we're bringing twenty five different people for
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for camp and then bring four more in for internship
turning training camp and maybe higher off of it. So
we get to build that pool of minority coaches that
we don't know maybe because you have people who know
bring them in. Hey, this guy's really sharp. You know
if Dad Loose was one of those guys I kind
of met at a clinic, started talking to a Millie
played duke played in the league for seven years, and
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this cat's got it. Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna
be a superstar in the league too.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well, that's one feather that you're gonna have in your
cat for a long time. Uh, Going quarterbacks, you can
talk to Baker Mayfield on the on the playing field
when you go out and see him in OTAs or
anything that goes in training camp. You can't stop coaching
is my point, if you're talking to a quarterback, you're coaching.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I told him my some pist. I don't get
the coaching, man, I really I really wanted to coach that.
I love that kid. You know, I was with CBS.
I did a couple of Browns games and watching him
practice on Fridays getting after it. Uh that locker room.
Loved the guy, and I know he's been a great,
great fit for us. You know, it's gonna be hard
to follow Tom, but he had the moxy to follow town.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, he's got that Swiger. I love it. I'm talking
a few other things with your coach, Bill Belichick, coaching
in college. What's your thoughts on that? Something you could do?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
No, I don't have patience. I don't have patience for
rookies freshman And if I recruit you, I expect you
to stay. I don't have to expect to recruit you
again next year and give you more money. Yeah, and
until college football science contracts and gets a salary cap.
I think he's going to hell.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Really is is the state of the NFL in good
hands right now? The way you see it going since
you left, Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Think he's in fantastic shape. You got all these good
young quarter backs coming in more and more next year.
I think in next year's class coming are really good.
And uh so there's enough to go around now, you know.
And uh and the young ones they are, you know,
twenty eight to thirty two. God, they're fantastic, yeah, you know.
And uh, the running backs that are starting to come
into the leg everybody, every position is getting better and better,
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you know. And uh so, yeah, I mean there's a
lot to be talked about that eighteenth game, sure, and
how we're gonna how we're going to manage that with
with two buys or switching Sunday games to Thursday, because
I'm not a fan of Thursday football. I don't care
what the so called injury report says. Right, We've got
a lot of guys can't play on Thursdays so because
they could play Sunday, but they can't play Thursday exactly.
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And then last year with that Wednesday stuff, I think
that's getting crazy. TV's run a little bit too much
of it, but uh the fans love it. Man, it's
you can't get enough of it.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Can't get enough. And got throwing Europe in there too,
you know, those Europe huge man.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, sooner or later there's gonna be a team.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Over there draining. Let's talk quarterbacks. Coach here in Indianapolis,
Dan Jones is brought in to give a competition to
the fourth overall pick from a few years back, Anthony Richardson.
When you look back at these two quarterbacks, and you know,
sitting in your position as a guru, you are give
me some of the things that you like and some
of the things that these guys struggle with.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Well, Daniel first win was against US, and he threw
some balls in there. I said, this Caus's can be special,
and he took off on a twenty yard run up
the middle to beat us. We actually didn't miss a
field goal, but I thought the kid had it. You know,
he's athletic, he's smart, accurate. I think he got the
hell beat out of him up there in New York
with that offensive line and not having the premier skill
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players around him. So but I think he's a great talent. Anthony,
I think needed two more years of college. Okay, you know,
as a passer, not as an athlete. He's a great athlete,
but as a passer I didn't see him coming out
being able to beat anybody in two minutes and third
down and that's where you went and in fil If
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you can't win third down a two minute, you're just
an average guy. And Uh, I don't care how good
you run. You don't run the ball in two minutes.
As a quarterback, you throw it and you command the game.
I think his growth this year is going to be huge.
If he can't make it the growth that I think
he can make and put the put the I think
he's going to put the work in. He's got a
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great reputation as a hard worker. So it's but Daniel
pushing Daniel don't really push it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I can't wait. That's gonna be a good competition.
You got a special relationship A guy I know that
loves you and speaks highly of you and has done
that since your first day here in Indianapolis. Is Jim Irsay,
Colt's owner. Uh, if you could just talk about your
relationship with the boss man, the best man.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's my guy and the love and I hate to
see him in that wheelchair. Uh. He that year we
had together when Chuck was sick was it was extremely special.
Then of course I got sick in Baltimore, and and
put they put me in the hospital, want to let
me coach the damn game. And first thing jim asked
was Chris there? And they said no, she was at
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the hospital an hour and a half on his plane
in a limo and that plane set on the ground
waiting for me to get out of that hospital. And
I know what that costs, but it was Jimmy, and
Jimmy just checked on me every single day. And I
think the world of him, and so much fun at
his birthday party a couple of years ago down here
at the lake.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
And that's great and.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Just just I think the world I as an owner
and a man.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, that's great lake acony down there. I'll tell you
what that's that's beautiful in that area that you live.
And I know golf is all around. I know football
misses you. I know us here in Indianapolis miss you.
And coach. As I said when we started this, you're
a Hall of Fame coach. You've earned that honor. And
you know, everybody that's worked with you has said the
same things about you. I've never heard one negative thing
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about Bruce arians and I've been here twenty plus years,
So hats off to your partner, and I hope we
can catch up during this upcoming season talk about what's
going on on the field.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You got it, brother, for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
All right, Pruce saying, sir, appreciate.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It, Thank you, Bill. This should be played at I
vogu
Should be played.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
At high volume. Hello everyone, and welcome to High Volume.
I am your host, Jeffrey Gorman. This is episode number
one of this podcast, and I want to give you
a little tutorial of what we're trying to do here.
I want to connect with Colts greatness from years past,
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of current years, players on the field now, players that
played for this organization, Hall of famers, coaches that have
coached here, coaches that are coaching now around the league,
players that have played here and now playing in the league.
I want to touch on a lot of different people
and a lot of different viewpoints of how the Colts
touched them and the greatness they achieved. We've got some
good ones coming up. The first one former coach of
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the Colts, an offensive coordinator, a tight ends coach and
interim head coach, a two time NFL Head Coach of
the Year, and Super Bowl champion. We start with Bruce Arians.
What a story he has, one of the greatest offensive
minds in football, who I think is a Hall of Famer.
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Have been waiting for this for a long time. We
welcome in one of the greatest coaches in the NFL
College Football. I don't care. You can throw it in
Bruce Arians welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh that's great to be on guys, Thank you, coach.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I want to I'm a little ticked off at the NFL,
and I'm gonna tell you why your nine wins that
you got here as an interim head coach do not
count toward your head coaching rerecord all time overall, which
is a travesty right there, because if those nine victories
are given to you, you are right behind the grades
of Bill Walsh Vince Lombardi. You're right in the same
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neighborhood as that. Does that take you off a little
when you think about your career and your legacy.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, not at all, because that was Chuck's team. I
never considered myself the head coach, you know. I was
just a guy that took his spot for a minute
and h called the plays and decided whether we go
for all fourth down and give a city speech on
Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, well, I mean there was a little bit more
to that, but you were ready for that moment obviously,
being a head coach at Temple. How did that affect you?
I want to go back there. We're going to go
over your quarterbacks and everything throughout your career, your stay
here in Indy. But that's particular season when you got
the news of Chuck's diagnosis and all of a sudden, BA,
you got to go into high full gear, not only
calling plays, but you got to run that locker room.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah. For me, it was the first time I really
learned what the word delegate meant. There wasn't time to,
uh to change anything, and we didn't need to change anything.
You know, we had a good staff. You know, NUSK,
you do your job, move f you do your job.
I'll just I'll decide whether we go for it all
fourth down and I'll give a bad speech, like I said.
But uh, you know, we always dressed Chuck's locker. No
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one ever sat in front seat of the bus. I
mean we had a head coach, you know, and it
was just a little different leadership for a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, I got u NFL Coach of the Year honors
along with Chuck McGonnell, one of two that you have
obviously in a Super Bowl victory as well. I think
you're a Hall of Fame coach. We'll talk about that
at another conversation down the road, but I want to
start early on if I could. The fun part about
this is you as a quarterback at Virginia Tech, I
mean one hundred and eighty degree difference from the play
calls that you have in the NFL. You ran a
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veer offense as a quarterback with eleven rushing touchdowns. How
does Bruce arians you know, he does something, he says
it works, and then all of a sudden flips the
switch and says, I got to completely change this offensive
mind game plan.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah. I was fortunate enough my first three years to
play under Dan Henny and back of Don Strock, who
played in the league for sixteen years, my best quarterbacks
in college football. So I learned the passing game, and
then Jimmy Sharp came in and I learned to wishbone
and all the coverage that we used to see as
a passing team we never saw. We had one on
one all day. So this is the greatest test offense
go except I went three games of two games without
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completing the past but it was totally different, but it
was It was great learning experience, and it really when
you look back at all the play action stuff we
started with Peyton, it really goes back to the wishbone.
Play action, full full speed down the line, throw it
back across the field, and uh, you know, it was
so much fun incorporating those two offenses.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Absolutely, I tell you, I just gotta We're gonna bounce
over your career. But uh, I got to get to
that Bear Bryant story. You coached under the Great Bear
Bryant and you come over from Mississippi State and low
and behold, they say, hey, here's a full time job,
and then it goes back to part time. Can you
just share that story with us when when you dragged
he was forced to bring Paul Bear Bryan off the
golf course to talk to one of his assistant coaches.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, they had just passed a new rule in the
n CUBA about the number of guys guys can recruit.
And you know, I was the new guy on staff.
I came after spring practice and normally they thought, hey,
we'll just put him down, leave the other guys who
have been recruiting recruiting, And basically I said, that's not
the job. I signed up for it, and uh and
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walked out and called Jimmy Sharp right away, who got
me the job. The boy was my head coach, and
I said, coach. He said, don't worry about it. Let
me handle it, he called, and uh, I get it
fun go back to the office right now. Well, coach
happened to be out playing golf and he was not
in a happy mood when he came back. I promise
you and basically looked me and I said, uh, you know,
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I didn't think anybody like recruiting. I said, Coach, that's
part of being a full time coach. Now, if this
is a job you offered me three weeks ago, I
still be at Misissippi State, and he set up out
that he's going to drill me. He just looked me dead,
and I said, boy, I don't talk out of both
sides of my mouth. Get your ass out of here,
start recruiting.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There it is, and the rest is history. I love that.
Not many, not many coaches stick on the Paul Bear Bryant,
but I want to stay there for a minute. Not offensively,
not ex's and o's. But what did you learn and
take away from Coach bear Bryant in your head coaching career?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh he was a master of personnel. Excuse me, he
just he could He could make you feel great with
two words. And he loved ripping my ass. Because I
was young, cocky thought I knew everything and he knew it.
I bet he saw something, so he loved he loved
ripping my butt. And uh, but we played sixty six
players in every game. He substituted every single player. You
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didn't even think about sending in another player. I recall,
we're playing Kentucky, were supposed to be winning by twenty
We're down seven, We're down six. We got the ball
in two yard light coming out, and we dressed nine
running backs for the game, the third strings out there.
I'm like, malboy, what are we doing? You know he
ain't gonna say anything. Coach Bryant, Right, one guy makes
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a miraculous catch. You other guy makes a hell of
a block. But you have to here come the starters.
We go down the field. Score never questioned him ever again.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Really, what about how about when you had those five
star athletes compared to those three star athletes and they
weren't getting on the field. Were you? Were you pushing
Coach Brian a little bit, saying, hey, probably the philosophy
you're working Acob the best right here in the sec.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, No, back then, there was no five star three
story of that stuff. You know, just you were. You
were a Alabama football player.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We'd have this morning morning meeting Saturdays before the game.
He starts to start lineup and I said, Coach, why
are we starting him? You coach him Alina money right right.
Of course I couldn't take that answer. Oh well, wait,
he's a better you coach him Alnam Yes, sir, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Absolutely. Hey, you got to take that information from the
great Bear Bryant, And obviously coach had stick stuck with you.
I want to get into uh. I thought of you
the other day when I heard a quote and it's
from John Lennon, the Beatle Great, and he had said,
I'm an artist. You give me a tuba and I'll
get you something out of it. And I thought of
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you in that regard. If you give you a quarterback
with a couple of different just a couple, just a
couple of things that are better than the others around him,
what are those two things that you'll look for out
of a quarterback that you say, Hey, I can make
something out of this.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I call it grit. It's a combination leadership, courage, the
ability to lead men in a huddle. And uh, then
I'm looking for accuracy now, velocity, accuracy, and if a
guy can process information and he's accurate with the football,
we can make him a winner.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well, you showed that at uh what was it Mississippi
State when you took that kicker, made him into a quarterback.
He ended up being all SEC, ended up playing Canadian
Football League. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, broke all the passing records in the SEC that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Year as a kicker going into the season. I love it. Well,
I want to get to the Indianapolis era and when
you when when you took over here as QB coach,
you got a guy coming in called Peyton Manning. And
you did have a little history with Peyton before the
draft on that you knew him a little bit as
far as the story goes your relationship with him, because
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you're getting this, you know, you're you're getting this this
race horse that you know doesn't get beat by any
other horses. How does your philosophy check early in your
career when you're saying, hey, I got to be on
the same page as this guy and know that I've
got his back and he's got mine.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, it was endless communication and you have to build trust.
You know, don't tell me what I want to hear,
tell me what you really seeing, what you're thinking. And
Peyton was great at it. And uh, you know, I've
never been around the guy that took more notes. Uh
this notebook on top of notebook.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Tom Brady was very similar, but Peyton, no one was
ever going out working. If I had an hour meeting schedule,
I'd better have two hours worth of material.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
The last thing I ever want to do is run
out of material with him in the room and just
continue going over things. And thank god we finally got
those computers that popped up the film and I didn't
have to plug him in and flick out ejective, you know,
And uh, it was an amazing tool for us at that time.
And uh, to zip through the red zone, zip through
the third downs, everything just over and over and over.
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Then he was relentless on the practice field. He was
never used to standing still. At Tennessee. The offense was
on one field, of defense was another. He practiced the
whole time. Well, you know, an NFL defense has a period,
offense has a period. And he in no way he's
gonna stand still other, he's gonna wear other, he's gonna
wear Marvin and receivers out throwing our period and go
over there, throw twenty five best then you know, and
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tight ends come over here, you know if you're not
practicing over here, and uh, and then I'd say, man,
they've run up today. Let's just do drills. Yeah, and
we do drill after drill after drill, and then then
go back. But he could never stand still.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, you coach him hard. You love him hard, but
you coach them hard. You've said that in your book,
The Quarterback Whisper. How How what kind of fine line
is that? Because you're one way. I've seen one hundred
of year practices and you're barking at anybody that's not
doing the right thing, whether it's Peyton Manning or the
fifty third guy on the roster. How do those quarterbacks,
the Brady's, Roethlisberger's and Manning, how do they approach your
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coaching style? Because you're gonna rip them if something's if
something's not right, it doesn't matter, you're gonna full lay them.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah. I think once you establish yourself, I'll ripped the
second string quarterback and they'll relay the message. Okay, Ben
loves Ben loves telling the story. But I still having
a hand on the bucket button, telling uny what is
he thinking there? I still have my hand on the button. Bens.
I heard you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I love it man, when you're.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
When you're talking, and Andrew tells the same story.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, right right, I'm gonna I'm gonna get to uh
stick with Peyton. I'm gonna go down the quarterback list
with if you don't mind, but sticking with Peyton. Uh,
you know, the rookie year was the rookie year. I
mean you know, he had a ton of interceptions there
as you saw. I think it's still a rookie record.
How did you and Peyton's gonna get mad if he
hears this, But I know you wouldn't lose him. But
how do you keep him with that upward thing, knowing
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that he just set an NFL record for rookie interceptions?
How do you keep that mind straight looking forward to
going in the next year and being great?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, learning from why you know what happened? I think
the worst night was up in New England. I think
he had like four Hey, he's ready to come out,
said no, no, no, we're going two minutes, man, We're
gonna learn something the rest of his game. And he
went down scored a couple of touchdowns in two minute offense,
which he was very comfortable in. You know, but we
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try to learn something each and every week, learn from
those mistakes, and they didn't happen. When you look back
in the last eight games in the second time through
the division, there were very very few.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Interceptions right right, And you knew this guy was elite.
You took off for Cleveland, you said goodbye to Peyton
Manning out of Indianapolis, but you knew what you had
there in that quarterback that was Hall of fame all
I mean, did you have him pegged as a Hall
of Famer early in his career? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Totally. After that thirteen to three season, that Big Tournament
three and thirteen thirteen three, we got a little defense.
You know. One guy that never gives enough credit for
that was Corney's Bennet Sure Chris. He came in and
gave a belief to the defense, coming from a championship
program in Buffalo, and instilled it in our locker room
on defense and it changed everything.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I'm gonna I could sit and talk to me
about Peyton. Those are your two hours. But I just
want to go down a list of your career. You
move on to Cleveland. Tim Couch is there, Kelly Holcombs
there again, you still find a way to win. I
know those years were specialty in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh totally. You know Timmy Couch, he gets that label
was a bust. But man, Timmy was a player. I
mean he was a three point shooter. He took us
to the playoffs and broke his leg in the last game.
Of course, Kelly gets his shot and you go throw
for four hundred and twenty in the playoff game like
he always does, and all of a sudden we had
a controversy. But then Timmy got hurt again. Yeah, but yeah,
Kelly's probably my favorite of all. I can't take any
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credit for Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Palmer. Luck God made those
in their parents. I got a little hand making Kelly,
just a.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Little, Okay, I bet a few of those that disagree
with you. But then we move on from there, we
go into Pittsburgh. You bring up Ben Roethlisberger when again,
when you're cooking or when you're buying the grocery, seeing
what you guys are gonna cook. And you see this
big old and I mean big ol'sucker from Miami of Ohio,
and you say I could do something with him. What
did you like about Roethlisberger early? You know, when he
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came in and you're working relationship with him?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, it started. I was the receiver coase first couple
of years, and uh, you know I hollered and screamed
that receiver. So when I became the coordinator Ben's you
don't holler at me like that. Don't give me a reason. No.
We played a lot of golf together and formed that
same trusting bond, and I think he used to I
think he used to get me because we'd have this
little bet who would score first, him calling plays or me.
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I think he sabotaged me a couple of times. So
he called plays to go down and score.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh is that right? Is that right? I'm telling you? So?
How was that if he did go out and call
his own play after a you know, a check off
on something you called? Was that okay in your book
when you're at that point of your career?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah? I expected it. You know, we did a ton
of check with me's with Tayden with Timmy, with Kelly
and Ben, we would know when we went to huddle.
He called the whole show. I just shut up and
listen because he would run the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Is that right? Wow? That's that's amazing, man. But I
want to stick into the Roethlisberger years. You had a
really close relationship with Ben. I love the story that
you said you you were the only one that got
booed at the Pittsburgh Steelers parade because somebody yelled at
you get a fullback and you said never and they
ended up booing you on that. But you had such
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a great run two super Bowls in Pittsburgh like that,
and the way that you know, lucky for us, the
way that it ended right there. Do you still have
fond memories of Pittsburgh and the way that your career
and what you did, the impact you had on that offense.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah. I was a great eight years, great eight years,
and I wouldn't trade it for anything. And you know,
anytime something comes to an end, I thought it was
over and the Chuck makes the call, and really everything
in my whole life changed after that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Absolutely, So let's stay there. While we're there, you Chuck
calls you in and says, Hey, we got the first
overall pick in the draft. I think I know who
we're gonna take. The boss man upstairs says, it's this guy.
It's not the other guy. Did you start chomping at
the bit a little bit when you said, Hey, I'm
gonna get my hands on Andrew Luck?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yes, to know, it was such a bittersweet thing
because of Peyton's situation, you know, and I had just
been talking to Peyton about coming back and watching him
throw and do some things. You know, I was unable
to cook up with him. But then you know, the
way it went down, it was very very bittersweet, but
then very very exciting on the other side of getting Andrew,
you know, and being able to see the similarities between
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between him and the rest of the great quarterbacks that
we've had, and what he did as a rookie is
still just amazing to.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Me, unbelievable. I mean, what what you both did that
in that season about his his intangibles. You knew you
had something special. Obviously a physical specimen, but the mental
part of it and the leadership part of it, the
you know, the alpha. You need to be that alpha
when you're calling plays in the quarterback in the NFL.
What did you see out of him early that you said, boy,
I could just ride this kid into the sunset.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah. That was out in Stanford at the workout. You know,
we put in some plays early and then we went
out and worked out and came back in and I said,
put that playback up on the board. And he didn't
take any notes, which was shocking to me. And he's
putting it up there. That's not what I said. He said,
that's exactly what you said in the coverage. It's okay,
you got me, you got me. Yeah, the dude had
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a photographic member. He didn't have to take no to.
It was just amazing. And uh, you know every time
in the meeting, you got it, I got it. You
sure you got it? I got it. He had it
every time.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's great, man. I love it because we're going through
your journey of your coaching career right now. We're going
to Arizona. Uh. You know, after you had that great
first season obviously as a coordinator and with the Chuck
Pagano everything that went down with that, you go to
Arizona and when you're coaching Carson Palmer, when you get
your hands on him. That's a veteran at that time.
Are you still are you still the coach that takes
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a little bit from Roethlisberger Manning Luck and then present
it to the new quarterback you're working with in this
case Palmer.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Really with Carson, it was just a matter of the
offense and the terminology. I didn't have to teach the
best deep ball throw I've ever seen. You're gonna you're
gonna build a deep ball throw at Carson Palmer, just
the most beautiful deep ball ever and uh, but just
put putting him in the offense, getting him to understand
the no risk and no biscuit philosophy. Yeah, and uh,
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put a good running game with him. We already had
a good defense, so that part was taking care of it.
Carson was a missing piece. We needed a quarterback to
commit a Sliwi fi to team and and he did it.
And just tremendous respect for his courage and toughness.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Everybody saw you at that point saying I knew it,
I knew this was going to happen. I knew he's
going to be successful as a head coach. To you
and your family, those Arizona years, they were big they
were big out there, and you made such a huge
impact in the Arizona community. You still got friends and
family out there and whatnot and still keep in touch.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah. My son still lives in Phoenix and has you know,
a new granddaughter two months old, and we'll be traveling
back and forth more. But yeah, I got great, great
friends out there. You know, every time we have a
golf term, it's slow doves, that's Arizona people. Fourth of
July here at our house is thirty Arizona people. And yes,
it's always great. Uh, just just fantastic memories. You know.
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We started our foundation in Arizona. Yeah, and it really
took off big. The people embraced us and and really
took care of it. We made it a minor impact
in the situation for the kids in the Americopa County.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Twenty thirteen, maybe fourteen. I may be off a year.
We go out there, the Colts play you in Arizona.
You almost hang fifty on us, And I said to
Tom Moore afterwards, why'd you keep scoring? He's like, wow,
I wanted to get to a hundred, but we couldn't.
We didn't have enough time left on the clock. I
look over we're going to the airport. I look out
the bus window and of course there's Ba and Tom
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Moore and the rest you The trunk is popped, the
coolers there, everybody's having a beer. Players are out there
and coaches as well, and you guys are giving the
old salute to the bus. Have a good ride home.
That one stuck with me a while, Coach, because we
just got like, had our lunch handed to us. And
I know you were over there kind of rubbing your
hands saying, well, it's kind of what I do.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And just think, come on over, boys, you can have
a drink. It's okay. It's just winner lose we booze, you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Know, win or lose we booze. I love it, Bruce.
I love talking with this stuff. But a huge part
of your career is after you left Arizona, you go
and and you take Tampa Bay job, and people were like, wow,
Bba's back. Thank goodness, he's got to work with Jameis Winston.
This is gonna be fun. Now. You put up a
season your offense his for your first year in Tampa
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with over five thousand yards from Jameis Winston. Of course,
he went thirty three and thirty with TV's to interceptions
or whatever. But what was that like? Because you had
a quarterback that was talented like that, you knew you
could air it out with him, but the numbers were ridiculous,
Scott through the roof.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, you know, I had Jamis in the tenth grade
in a little football camp, so I knew I knew
him very well, and it got really excited about taking
that job because I knew he was a good young team.
We thought the world of Jamis has worked, ethic is outstanding,
and uh, you know, Byron Leftis just did an unbelievable job.
Because I get too much credit for that year, Byron
did it all. I mean I would have lost it totally.
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I had to stay away a lot of times and
step back because I just I would rip him too hard, right,
And Byron just did a He had that steady hand
with him and in the last couple of games, if
he didn't throw those picks six is to end the
games week fifteen and sixteen, we're probably sticking with him,
you know. But then we had then we had to
look behind door number two, and you never know what's
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the high door number two. Never thinking it was gonna
be Tom Brady, you know, and then when when Tom
said he'd come, then we had to depart from Jamis.
But I love the kid. I love what he stands for. Man,
he's a great.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Kid, great stories. He's got great memories in you and
you putting up the you know, helping him getting over
five thousand yards. Not many quarterbacks can say that in
the NFL. Hell, he's still playing at a high level now,
the Brady years. I love this one because an assistant
coach of yours that will remain nameless, was out on
the golf course with you at Old Memorial. You're on
number nine. All of a sudden a phone call comes
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in and Ba's golf cart and he says, hold on, boys,
I gotta take this. Uh huh uh huh uh huh okay, good,
hangs up the phone, You give the rest of the
assistant coaches a thumbs up, and then you go put
a three wood on the par five two putt for
a birdie. That was welcome to Tampa Bay, Tom Brady
day right there.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Tell me, baby, there was a lot of a lot
of emotion, a lot of adrenaline in that shot. I
promise you could not excite.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It he stepped out of three Wood once you got Brady.
I love it, But that whole thing came around. How
does your coaching change at that point? Or does it
because you have familiarity with Jamis from the year before,
obviously Carson being a veteran. Now you got arguably the
greatest of all time coming in and you two got
to get on the same page. Was that a fine line?
Was that a slippery slope for you just to kind
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of get a relationship going with Tom first, or did
that happen in years past?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No, it really was brand new. You know. He was
always the adversary for Tom Warren Clyde and everybody. Oh
my god, we go we gotta like Brady. But Tom
makes it very, very easy. But you know, it was
such a crazy year when we first started talking. I said, Look,
it's gonna be a whole lot easier for you to
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learn our numbers and our system than twenty one guys
to learn I've been in yours. Yeah, it's hard. I
can't change these guys, cannot learn that. He's no problem.
But then COVID hits and we have no meetings, and
we have no spring practice, and we don't see each
other till training camp, and uh, now we're trying to
they're they're out at Yankee Stadium throwing the ball and
blame Gabbert, God bless him. He's putting in the offense
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and Thomson receivers, Hey, hey, can we run it like this?
And playing with whatever he wants. He wanted a date,
run it a day, that's what he's comfortable with. Just
make sure he nerves hominology. We get the camp, you know,
there's no preseason games. All of a sudden, we got
a scrimmage. I'm like, he's never been in our stadium
and I hate tackling our own guys. I'm like, I'm
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holding my breath. We got this pipe and noise that
they said it's gonna be this many decimals and everything
was brand new that year, and uh, we get off
to a pretty slow start seven and five, and uh,
but the team was very, very close, and we saw
it and uh, you know, a big game for us
was in Atlanta that you were down seventeen nothing and
a half. We come out and square every possession of
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the second half and then it winning and never lose
them again. But uh, it took a while for Tommy
to get it and uh to get to break his
hole to some no risk and no biscuit stuff. You know,
I always talk about, you know, the fourth down planet
in Green Bay with a punt right now. Yeah, the
worst thing to do they get a field goal was
to be winning and he throws touchdown pass. They say
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that stuff pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Man. The relationship that you have to have with the
guy of that caliber. Did you bite your tongue coach?
Did you did you find yourself not coaching the way
that you normally do, or hey, this is what you
this is what you get when you're talking when you're
playing under Bruce Arians because there has been I've heard
coaches say I've never heard anybody talk to Brady the
way that Bruce Arians has.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, it was. It was a great relationship, you know,
and again Byron was that great mediator. Yeah, you know,
and uh, you know when I talked to tom it
was more about the approach of what we're trying to do.
It's third and five, but if you get this matchup,
that's a touchdown. Yeah, you'd like to get first downs,
but we don't miss these touchdowns. And it took little
bit wild for that. But then as he got real
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comfortable with the receivers, he just flourished in the offense.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Man, I'll tell you what, I was rooting so hard
for you that year. I mean with Clyde and Tom
on that on that staff that you put there, and
the way that you went out. I want to stay there.
You hand picked your successor there and Todd Bowles. Uh,
that was something that's been I believe what I read
that's been in the back of your head for a
while as far as you picking your successor and how
that I how important that was to you. Is that true?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
True? Very true? And you know I was having a
lot of back issues. I tore my achilles that year.
Ninety percent of my achilles. I had to wear these
damn high heel things and they blew, so I couldn't
stand on the silide. I'd sneak over and sit on
the bed and next to the quarterbacks exactly. I was
coaching them just to get off my back.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
For a while.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I knew it's gonna be a problem to do it
another year, and uh, you know, we tried to go
back to back with the Super Bowl and didn't get it.
So for me, it was okay. When does the roomnew
will not in effect. So I'm gonna hang on till
I can definitely make sure Todd gets this job. And uh,
right after the owner's meetings, I actually left early and
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uh and we made an announcement and Todd has done
a great jot've done everything I thought you would do.
And uh, you know, I'm so happy. And I'm still involved.
I'm a consultant with the Bucks. So and uh the
first year I kind of hung around too much. Players
were looking at me. I said, no, no, he's the head coach.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I got to get out of here. So now I play.
I never played golf in the fall. It's pretty nice.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, it is a that's a good deal. Bruce Area's
playing golf in the fall. I'll tell you and anybody
listen out there, if you know, if you know good golfers,
we're talking to one right now. Because this man can
stripe it. I promise you I played with him. So uh.
From from there, when you're talking about Tampa and you
talk about Todd Bowles, the inclusion part of you having
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the staff around you, the female staff members, It didn't
matter what color you wear, what kind of hat you wore,
it didn't matter like that. The inclusion that you have
and that mentality, where did that come from? Because you
were doing stuff on your staff that not many other
head coaches were doing, and quite frankly, you did it
and you didn't give a flip about it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I thought, you know, the having African American coordinators assistant
for three cordinator assistant a coach, but just the best
damn coaches I knew, you know, it just happened to
be African American. Now, some of the young guys that
were former players I thought would be great coaches, like
Byron getting them involved, bringing them up through that little
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program we started with the with the fellowships, Larry Foot,
guys like that. That was by choice. The women that
door need to be knocked down, you know. And you
heard me talk about Dot Murphy, who was just this
year at at the super Bowl with Jennifer Welter and
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that crew, and I seen her coach. So when I
was asking about I said, the best teachers I've ever
had were female, you know. And then this is just
a glorified teaching job. Just a million people watch you
give an exam, you know, and that they flunk, you
get fired. But other than that, it's just still about teaching,
you know. And so I was very very happy to
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have ownership who was all on board, you know, Michael
Bidwell's great and Arizona Brand and Jennifer and then hiring
two full time. And I owe my wife that one
because I said I'm gonna hire two interns. She is, oh,
you hired two interns and throw them away again, not
be full time?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Amazing, You're right.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So I went to Darcy Keswick Glazier, Glazier, Castlewitch and
she was all for it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Wow. I'll tell you what the fun part about that is,
as your career is known as that and you're giving
people chances whether regardless of skin color, race, creed, anything
like that, I think it's amazing that the impact that
women can have in this game. When we're talking, when
you and I aren't even here anymore, I'm talking about
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being really in depth behind this scene because just like
you said, it's a teaching position and a lot of it,
there's a lot of which is on a lot of
staffs that haven't played a high level of football. They
just you know, open their ears and opened their eyes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, definitely, And uh, you know, and I look at
the ones who have persevered to it. You know when
they were playing football with the with the like Jennifer
and those girls were doing amazing glory and uh, you
know there's there's very very qualified coaches out there, and
you know, Tampa Bay, I'm real proud that we've started
this initiative where we're bringing twenty five different people for
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for camp and then bring four more in for internship
turning training camp and maybe higher off of it. So
we get to build that pool of minority coaches that
we don't know maybe because you have people who know
bring them in. Hey, this guy's really sharp. You know
if Dad Loose was one of those guys I kind
of met at a clinic, started talking to a Millie
played duke played in the league for seven years, and
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this cat's got it. Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna
be a superstar in the league too.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well, that's one feather that you're gonna have in your
cat for a long time. Uh, Going quarterbacks, you can
talk to Baker Mayfield on the on the playing field
when you go out and see him in OTAs or
anything that goes in training camp. You can't stop coaching
is my point, if you're talking to a quarterback, you're coaching.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I told him my some pist. I don't get
the coaching, man, I really I really wanted to coach that.
I love that kid. You know, I was with CBS.
I did a couple of Browns games and watching him
practice on Fridays getting after it. Uh that locker room.
Loved the guy, and I know he's been a great,
great fit for us. You know, it's gonna be hard
to follow Tom, but he had the moxy to follow town.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, he's got that Swiger. I love it. I'm talking
a few other things with your coach, Bill Belichick, coaching
in college. What's your thoughts on that? Something you could do?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
No, I don't have patience. I don't have patience for
rookies freshman And if I recruit you, I expect you
to stay. I don't have to expect to recruit you
again next year and give you more money. Yeah, and
until college football science contracts and gets a salary cap.
I think he's going to hell.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Really is is the state of the NFL in good
hands right now? The way you see it going since
you left, Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Think he's in fantastic shape. You got all these good
young quarter backs coming in more and more next year.
I think in next year's class coming are really good.
And uh so there's enough to go around now, you know.
And uh and the young ones they are, you know,
twenty eight to thirty two. God, they're fantastic, yeah, you know.
And uh, the running backs that are starting to come
into the leg everybody, every position is getting better and better,
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you know. And uh so, yeah, I mean there's a
lot to be talked about that eighteenth game, sure, and
how we're gonna how we're going to manage that with
with two buys or switching Sunday games to Thursday, because
I'm not a fan of Thursday football. I don't care
what the so called injury report says. Right, We've got
a lot of guys can't play on Thursdays so because
they could play Sunday, but they can't play Thursday exactly.
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And then last year with that Wednesday stuff, I think
that's getting crazy. TV's run a little bit too much
of it, but uh the fans love it. Man, it's
you can't get enough of it.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Can't get enough. And got throwing Europe in there too,
you know, those Europe huge man.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, sooner or later there's gonna be a team.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Over there draining. Let's talk quarterbacks. Coach here in Indianapolis,
Dan Jones is brought in to give a competition to
the fourth overall pick from a few years back, Anthony Richardson.
When you look back at these two quarterbacks, and you know,
sitting in your position as a guru, you are give
me some of the things that you like and some
of the things that these guys struggle with.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Well, Daniel first win was against US, and he threw
some balls in there. I said, this Caus's can be special,
and he took off on a twenty yard run up
the middle to beat us. We actually didn't miss a
field goal, but I thought the kid had it. You know,
he's athletic, he's smart, accurate. I think he got the
hell beat out of him up there in New York
with that offensive line and not having the premier skill
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players around him. So but I think he's a great talent. Anthony,
I think needed two more years of college. Okay, you know,
as a passer, not as an athlete. He's a great athlete,
but as a passer I didn't see him coming out
being able to beat anybody in two minutes and third
down and that's where you went and in fil If
(34:01):
you can't win third down a two minute, you're just
an average guy. And Uh, I don't care how good
you run. You don't run the ball in two minutes.
As a quarterback, you throw it and you command the game.
I think his growth this year is going to be huge.
If he can't make it the growth that I think
he can make and put the put the I think
he's going to put the work in. He's got a
(34:21):
great reputation as a hard worker. So it's but Daniel
pushing Daniel don't really push it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I can't wait. That's gonna be a good competition.
You got a special relationship A guy I know that
loves you and speaks highly of you and has done
that since your first day here in Indianapolis. Is Jim Irsay,
Colt's owner. Uh, if you could just talk about your
relationship with the boss man, the best man.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's my guy and the love and I hate to
see him in that wheelchair. Uh. He that year we
had together when Chuck was sick was it was extremely special.
Then of course I got sick in Baltimore, and and
put they put me in the hospital, want to let
me coach the damn game. And first thing jim asked
was Chris there? And they said no, she was at
(35:04):
the hospital an hour and a half on his plane
in a limo and that plane set on the ground
waiting for me to get out of that hospital. And
I know what that costs, but it was Jimmy, and
Jimmy just checked on me every single day. And I
think the world of him, and so much fun at
his birthday party a couple of years ago down here
at the lake.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
And that's great and.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Just just I think the world I as an owner
and a man.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, that's great lake acony down there. I'll tell you
what that's that's beautiful in that area that you live.
And I know golf is all around. I know football
misses you. I know us here in Indianapolis miss you.
And coach. As I said when we started this, you're
a Hall of Fame coach. You've earned that honor. And
you know, everybody that's worked with you has said the
same things about you. I've never heard one negative thing
(35:50):
about Bruce arians and I've been here twenty plus years,
So hats off to your partner, and I hope we
can catch up during this upcoming season talk about what's
going on on the field.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You got it, brother, for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
All right, Pruce saying, sir, appreciate.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It, Thank you, Bill. This should be played at I
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