April 16, 2025 • 25 mins
Inside the Draft returns this week, bringing expert insights from the top NFL Draft insiders leading up to the 2025 NFL Draft. Jeffrey Gorman and Matt Taylor sit down with NFL and NFL Draft insider David Helman from Fox Sports to discuss the potential outcomes for the top picks in the draft, explore the uncertainty surrounding the top quarterback prospects, and uncover which positions the Indianapolis Colts might target with the 14th overall pick in the first round.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the
upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello, welcome to this final episode of the Inside the
Draft podcast here in the colt Saudio Network.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Matt Taylor, and we've been with.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You every week in the months of March and April
draft season here bringing you high level draft conversations with
some of the best draftnicks in the business. We started
with the combine when temperatures were still in the twenties,
and now things are starting to warm up a bit
here in the springtime in Indianapolis and Central Indiana, and
the draft is just a little over one week away.
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Coming up next week, though, Rick Venturi will join us
here on the colt Saudio Network for his annual Inside
Football podcast breaking down the draft and the top prospects
at some positions of need for the Indianapolis Colts. So
we look forward to that next week leading into Round
number one on Thursday night. The Colts still hold the
fourteenth overall pick in the draft in Round number one.
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By the way, the Colts have twice held the fourteenth
overall pick. But you have to go back in the
day getting the time machine there a little bit once
in nineteen fifty three and again in nineteen sixty five.
The Colts head into the draft with seven picks, one
in each round. On Day two of the draft Friday,
the Colts will be picking in the second round, number
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forty five overall, and then in the third round.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Number eighty overall.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Today, we're bringing you another great draft conversation and our
guest on this final episode is David Hellman, who covers
the NFL Draft and the NFL for Fox Sports. He's
also the host of the NFL on Fox podcasts and
also spent some of his career covering the Cowboys as well.
And David joined myself and Jeffrey Gorman this week to
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break down his thoughts in the Colts offseason moves at quarterback,
why he has a hard time trying to predict what
the Colts will do with their first round pick, and
also his predictions on how the top pick in the
draft will unfold. So let's get it going here, David
Hellman from Fox Sports. On this week's Inside the Draft podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
We welcome in David Hellman, draft insider for the NFL
on Fox as well as covers this great game on
Fox it has a great podcast, the NFL on Fox Podcast.
You must check it out. Find him out on Twitter
at David Hellman Underscore once again at David Hellman Underscore. David,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Being here today.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I'm going to get to the draft with you, but
I know you also cover the Cowboys for Fox Sports,
so you have an eye on the NFC East, and
I want to start with if you could give us
a once over what your thoughts are on Daniel Jones
signing with the Colts this offseason. You've seen plenty of
them watching the NFC East through the past years. What
are the Colts getting in that quarterback?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
You know, it's funny the way that your expectations and
your opinion can change when the money does. Because I've,
you know, nothing against him personally. I've long been a
critic of Daniel Jones because of the resources that were
put into him. You know, I didn't really buy that
he was worthy of the pick the New York Giants
spin on him at the time. It felt awfully rich
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to me, as somebody that covers the draft. I was
not a fan when he got the one hundred and
sixty million dollar deal to be the Giants franchise quarterback.
Not to pat myself on the back, but I just
I didn't see that aging very well at the time.
But after all of that, the Colts land him for
one year, fourteen million dollars. I think, you know, very
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reasonable money for I mean reasonable money for a qualified backup. Really,
So if it's a guy that has a chance to start,
I think that's an even better deal. I mean, it's
hard not to think about guys like Sam Darnold in
the recent past that have signed deals like that and
really taken it and run with it. I think Daniel
is He's obviously a very naturally talented guy. He doesn't
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get the anywhere near the credit he deserves.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
For his athleticism.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So you think about what the Colts have done in
the run game over the years, I think he could
be very you know, I think he could add a
lot to that. He's obviously played a lot of NFL football,
and if he's healthy, he's not a bad quarterback. I
just never bought that he was this top ten franchise guy.
But that's not what the Colts are paying him, right
The Colts are paying him a bargain deal. Like I
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said to be an insurance policy or maybe a starter,
and I think that could really work. I think if
he needs to play, or if he wins the job
from Anthony Richardson, I think he could lead that offense
to some good places.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And I liked the deal a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I was a little surprised the Vikings let him get
out of their building, to be honest with you, because
that seemed like it made a hell of a lot
of sense for them with their own young quarterback. So
the Colts were clearly willing to pay a little bit more,
and I think it was a really good decision.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We'll see how it ages.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Obviously there's so much anticipation and pressure on the Anthony
Richardson situation, but that it's not a bad card to
have in your back pocket at.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
All Colts fans. There's some upside on Daniel Jones. We
hear from David Hellman again, follow him on Twitter. Acts
at David Hellman. Underscore quarterbacks in this NFL draft do
the tough two And of course I'm talking about cam
Ward and Shador Sanders. Are they gone within the first
ten picks of this draft?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I mean, cam is for sure. I am completely bought
in on this idea, and I know it's lying season,
it's smoke screen season. You never know for sure, but
I'm very bought in on the idea that cam Ward
is going to be a Titan at number one.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Shadour is a little trickier, you know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I think it's there's obviously so many landing spots that
he could go within the top ten.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right. Cleveland and the Giants speak for themselves.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I think the Saints and the Raiders, even with the
Geno Smith deal, I think the Raiders can't be completely
written off.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
But also we see this every year.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I mean, quarterbacks are incredibly hard to project because it
is such an important position and it is so valuable
to get the guy I on a rookie deal and
have four or five years of cheap quarterback play to
work on the rest of your roster with I would
be surprised if he's there outside of the top ten.
But you also have to take these teams grades into account.
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I mean, it was I believe it was. What three
years ago, twenty twenty two, we spent so much time
and energy talking about Pickett and Malik Willis and Desmond Ritter,
and a lot of people thought those guys might go
really high as well, and Pikett waited around until the twenties,
and then the other two guys weren't even first round picks.
I don't think that'll happen to Schadur Sanders, but I
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can at least conceive of a world where he's picked
in the teens or maybe even the twenties. I think
he'll be a first round pick, but I see his
range as being anywhere between two and three and probably
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think Pittsburgh is like the absolute.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Latest I could see him going, but I do think
there's some some room for fluctuation there.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I want to stay on quarterbacks, and a lot of
people are still talking about Shador Sanders, and I saw
dan Orlowsky recently on ESPN kind of picking his game apart,
not not to be critical or negative, but just you know,
being honest about what he sees. In college, he was
either wowing people with his accuracy or just kind of
checking it down at the line of scrimmage, dunking and
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dunk in his way for points with Colorado. How do
you classify Sanders now that we've got all the intel
on him going into this draft, had his Pro day
last week, so he's kind of checked all the boxes
along the way leading up to the draft. Where are
you with him as it relates to him having a
successful NFL career.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I think Schadur is unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
I mean, there's so much about him that gets analyzed
and picked apart that has nothing to do with how
he is as a player. Right, Obviously he's Deon Sanders' son.
He's this very brash personality that you know, Colorado has
has skyrocketed to the forefront of college football.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You've seen the.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Very dramatic games and the celebrity culture that kind of
came to Colorado while Shaduur was there. So like all
of that gets baked in and really, at the end
of the day, has nothing to do with how good
of a quarterback he is. If he was not Deon Sanders' son,
I think there would be way less argument about how
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good he is now. I don't necessarily he's I don't
see him as this like prototypical slam dunk top three
pick in the in the vein of some of these
guys we've seen in recent years, like Caleb Williams or
Trevor Lawrence. But he's got more than enough arm strength.
He's incredibly accurate. He's yeah, he's a little bit undersized,
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but in I mean, we've seen it has become I
would even say the norm for teams to care less
about that stuff. I mean, Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield
were number one overall picks in the NFL draft. If
those two guys have the physical makeup to pull it off,
than Shadur Sanders absolutely does. My concerns with him are
the same as they are with so many other guys
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that come out, and it's just adapting to the structure
and timing that you have to have as an NFL quarterback.
You know, hero ball is a lot harder to pull
off in the NFL, and if you're gonna do it,
you probably need to have some freaky, you know, physical
traits like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson do.
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I don't think sur Sanders quite qualifies for that level
of athleticism. So if you don't have it at the
NFL level, you got to learn to play in structure.
You got to learn to get the ball out on time.
Not to say that he can't do it, but I
don't think his college game really translates that well to
what an NFL quarterback needs to look like. So I
think there needs to be some development there at the
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NFL level. I absolutely thinks he's talented enough and has
good enough tape to be, like I said, a top
ten pick, and I think a lot of the debate
is hung up on just how famous he is for
reasons other than playing quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All right, David, Let's talk about the Colts and your
latest mock draft. You've got the Colts taking Colston Lovelin
out of Michigan. Obviously we have read up on him.
Field stretching tight end could be great right away, at
least in the passing game. So David, what kind of
instant impact player is he in the NFL? Potentially within
this fit under Shane Stike in this Colts offense.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Would you mind if I actually I want to turn.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
This back on y'all because I got the Colts are
very interesting to me for a couple of reasons, one
being I feel like the Colts are one of these
teams where, of course first round picks always matter. It's
not to say that doesn't matter, but the Colts are
kind of stuck to me at least and get again.
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This is like from a national perspective, where you're trying
to keep an eye on everything. The Colts are stuck
in this situation where it's like, Okay, whatever they do,
it's not gonna matter unless Anthony Richardson takes the next
step comes that quarterback. So I think a lot of
people are looking for a first round match with the
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Colts that makes Anthony Richardson a better player. And that's
why you see so many people like me mocking them
a tight end because the depth chart suggests that they
need one. Tight end is often a quarterback's best friend,
and so you wind up with a lot of people
saying Tyler Warren and Colson Lovelin. I think it makes
a lot of sense on the surface, But I've also
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done this enough to know that Chris Ballard and other
NFL general managers, they're not just thinking about what's gonna
help Anthony Richardson over the next dozen games. They got
to think about multiple years in the future. They got
to think about the value of the contract when you
pick a guy as high as the Colts will be picking.
So with all that in mind, is it as simple
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to y'all as people that know this team far better
than I do. Is it as simple to y'all as saying, Hey,
they need a guy that's gonna help Anthony Richardson. Or
are we are those of us that are further away
missing something? No.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I think a great argument that you have. I think
it's something that we've kicked around here in the offseason
a handful of times when it's not as slam dunk
as Hey, just take the best tight end available because,
as you said, we need one on the roster and
it can help Anthony Richardson continue to grow and develop.
But they have two offensive line starters that have left
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the team in free agency, and Ryan Kelly and Will Fries.
They need some options there. They need more defensive line depth.
They could also use another pass rusher to compliment what
lou An Rumo wants to do as a defensive coordinator
in his first year here in Indianapolis. So kind of
boils down to how deep tight end is and what
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percentage of the top tight ends can you get on
Day two.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
And that's the great thing about the draft. And look,
it would make all the sense in the world if
they did draft a tight end and I think most
people would would applaud them for that. You mentioned the
two losses on the offensive line. It makes so much
sense to do either of those things.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
But I can see a world where.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
You know, Samsonwcom and Quity pay are both in contract years, right,
I could see a world where the value is better
at pass rusher. I know the Colts took La Tu
Latu last year, but you could still wind up in
a situation where that's the best possible player at a
very important position. Sure, and that makes all the sense
in the world too, But I think people would kill
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Chris Ballard for doing that because you gotta make life
as easy as possible on the quarterback this year if
you want everybody to keep their jobs. So I'm curious
to see how you strike that balance between drafting purely
and drafting.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To help out your quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
But like I said, I've done this enough times to know.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I would.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
There has got to be twenty thousand mock drafts that
have put a tight end in Indianapolis this spring, and
I think I'd be surprised if it was that tidy,
because it usually isn't.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I'm with you on that one, totally agree that's David
Hellman from Fox Sports NFL Draft Insider and covers the NFL.
Follow him on Twitter x at David Hellman Underscore Where
is the beef? I love that phrase from years past.
I'm a lot older than you, so I used it
more than you did, David. But where is the beef
of this draft?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Second? Third round?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Chris Pallard. Chris Pallard loves to make hay in the
second and third rounds. And we know I've talked to
different experts, different mock draft analysts that have said, you know,
there might be twelve to twenty first round, actual first
round choices picks in this draft. Where's your meet in
that second and third round where the value is?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, it's not just me.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I mean, you know, I'm glad people care enough about
my opinion to listen to the podcast, But you want
to get informed opinions from the scouts and the coaches
and the executives that actually look at this stuff right,
And everything I've heard from talking to people is the
positions worth getting excited about. I think you'll hear a
lot of people in the NFL talking about defensive line
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all over the place, edge rusher as well, as defensive tackle,
this seems to be an incredibly deep group at that position.
And then I know it's probably not exciting to the
Colts because you have Jonathan Taylor on the roster, but
you hear so much about how fun this running back
class is, and once you dive into it, you get
the hype. I mean, there's fifteen or sixteen really good
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looking running backs in this class. There could be as
many as three drafted in the first round. I think
you could see six to eight drafted in the top
fifty sixty picks. There's just a lot of talent there.
So maybe not the best news for the Colts, although
on the flip side of that, every running back that's
taken could push another quality prospect down the board to Indianapolis.
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But those are the positions that get me the most excited,
defensive line and running back.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Doubling back to the quarterback conversation that we were having David,
you know, as it relates to the top of the draft.
Russell Wilson, Now with the Giants, should they still be
on the hunt for a quarterback with the third overall pick,
and if so, who should it be? How should they
attack the short term versus the long term at that
position as it relates to this draft.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I just said a bunch of nice stuff about Shadar Sanders,
and I really do like him as a player, to
be honest with you, But I've been on this train
with the Giants this year of saying now's not the
right time, not for the Giants, I don't think, because
they are still fairly you know, they're they're far away
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from being a true contender when you think about where
they are as a team and the division that they
play in. I mean, both of the NFC Championship Game
participants are in their division. So you're not one draft
away from really mattering in the NFC conversation. Russell Wilson
clear can get you to respectability. He's done it the
last two years. You know, he was solid in Denver
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when they didn't make the playoffs, and then he got
the Steelers to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I know the season went south in a hurry, but
ten wins for.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
The New York Giants after the decade that they've been
through would be phenomenal stuff. So I like the idea
of the Giants bolstering their roster. You know, if it's
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Great.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
If it's Abdul Carter also great. Take the best player
that's there for you that's not a quarterback. And if
you insist on taking a quarterback anyway, you can do
that with I think they have the thirty fourth overall pick.
They have a pick in the sixties. You can find
a guy to play behind Russell Wilson if your hell
bent on drafting a quarterback. I would rather see the
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Giants improve their overall roster, though, And I'll be honest,
you know, if the Giants add let's say they add
Abdul Carter, you have one of the best pass rushes
in the NFL. You've got Russell Wilson, you got a
franchise receiver in Malik Neighbors. If Brian Dable is as
good of a coach as I think he is, you
should be able to win eight nine games with that team,
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or at least be in the mix, you know, and
so show me you can do that, and then we can.
You know, we'll keep you around, We'll give you an extension,
we don't have to bring in an all new regime,
and then we can look for the quarterback next year.
I'd rather do that than have Joe Shane and Brian
Dable draft Shador Sanders at three overall, get themselves fired,
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and now Shaduur's working with the coaching staff that didn't
draft him. I think that is that's bad for everybody involved.
So for a lot of reasons, I'd rather see the
Giants punt on a top ten quarterback for at least
for at least this year.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Sound like Mark Cuban right there for those reasons, I'm out.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, last one for me, David, As Jeffrey said at
the top, cover the Cowboys very in depth. So Brian
Schottenheimer now in Dallas, he was with the Colts for
a couple of years as quarterbacks coach with Andrew Luck.
I remember those days. Finally, good guy, good coach. Does
he feel like he's ready to you? And how do
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you think this is going to play out? And how
poised do you think the Cowboys are to rebound this
season after missing out on the postseason last year?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Well, in true Cowboys fashion, I really think that's going
to depend on how well they do in this draft,
because that's how the Cowboys insist on building their team.
You know, they're famously inactive in free agency. I'm sure
they would argue that they did a lot more work
this year, which is true, but doing just over the
bare minimums not really getting the job done. When again,
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just like the Giants, you share a division with the
Eagles and now the Commanders. So I really think this
is a draft where the Cowboys are going to have
to find one, if not two, like star caliber rookies
to really improve themselves enough to contend on a meaningful level.
I was dubious about Brian Schottenheimer. I I don't think
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there's any way around it. It's a pretty uninspiring hire,
and you choose the guy that's never been a head coach,
longtime NFL assistant who just so happened to work one
hundred feet down the hallway from where Jerry.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Jones and Stephen Jones' offices.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Having said that, I've been really impressed by what he's
done since getting the job.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I really like his coaching staff. You know, brought Matti
Everflus back to Dallas.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Obviously, he was an excellent defensive coordinator with the Colts.
Turned that into a head coaching job in Chicago did
not go very well. I still think he's a really
good defensive coordinator. I think he can get the Cowboys
defense on track. I'm excited to see what he can
do with Micah Parsons. Some other really interesting hires.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
He hired Clayton Adams out of Arizona to be his
offensive coordinator. The Cardinals have done some really exciting stuff
in their run game and with their offensive line, so
that's very intriguing. The defensive line coach is coming over
from the New York Jets, where I mean the one
of the few things that Jets have gotten right in
recent years is rushing the passers. So there's a lot
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of hires he's made to that I really like. Unfortunately
for him, I feel like his hands are a little
bit tied by how the Cowboys choose to acquire talent,
which I think that's something all Cowboys head coaches in
recent history have in common. So I'm interested to see
how they do in this draft. If they nail it,
if they hit it out of the park, I think
they could be a lot better than a lot of
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us expect.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
If they don't, then that's probably more of the same,
which is pretty disappointing.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
He hosts the NFL on Fox podcast. His name's David Helman.
Follow him on Twitter x once again at David Hellman underscore,
you're out in Tinseltown. You're out in LA right now.
So I gotta have an entertainment question if you don't mind,
Oh of course, I.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Mean I am the antithesis of like this entertainment. You know,
I don't spend a lot of time in Hollywood. No,
I'll do what I can.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You're gonna like this one though.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
There's a series that is streaming called Landman that Jerry
Jones was on with Billy Bob Thornton as well as
John Ham. Did you happen to see the clip of
the Cowboys owner from Landman?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I did? I did.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I haven't seen the show, but I've seen the clip
and I gotta tell you amazing to me. He No,
he was phenomenal. Not to take credit away from Jerry,
but like you know, it went viral on the Internet
and everybody was talking about how good of a job
he did, and I was like, oh, yeah, I could
have told you all this, Like Jerry is a gifted
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public speaker.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I was.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I was not surprised at all, and I've seen him
give similar spiels. You know, he talks about working with
his family all the time. He likes to reflect on
his career. He's gotten a little emotional in recent years,
you know, as he's gotten older. I think looking back
at the journey they've all been on since he bought
the team, it was phenomenal. But watching it as somebody
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that's been around the Cowboys for a long time, I
was like, oh, yeah, I could have told y'all he
had this.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It really was. It touched me.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And you talked about pulling on those heartstrings when he
talked about his kids and stuff. I was really blown away.
And I just I know you're close to that franchise.
I just wanted to get your take on it. David.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Oh, I mean it felt it felt very real.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
It felt like a conversation that Jerry has probably had
in his real life.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I think people say, like, the best fiction is is
not as not as far fetched as you would guess,
And yeah, I mean Jerry talks about that stuff all
the time. All three of his kids are intimately involved
in the day to day.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Operations with the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Uh. Some fans would probably say they wish it wasn't
that way, but hey, that's it's it's his team to
run and yeah, it's it's a very family driven organization.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So to see, Like I said, I like he when
he got the script.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
From Taylor shared, Taylor shared, and he's he's he's friends with.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Taylor shared as well.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I think that that relationship goes beyond just doing that
one scene. And I think when Taylor Sheridan told him
what he had in mind, I bet he was probably like, yeah,
I just got.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, right right. And David, I know you're swamped.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You've got a very busy schedule obviously with the podcast
and covering the league for Fox and Foxsports dot Com.
Uh So, I know you don't get a lot of
free time. But if you're gonna prioritize one thing to
stream or binge watch, it's gotta be land Man. It's
definitely worth That's all in. Yeah, that's all in. And
I'm a tough critic. I'm a very tough critic.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I usually watch something for like five six episodes, and
if you don't hook me and you don't bring me in,
I'm out. So Landman is the best thing I've seen
in the last decade. That's how good it is.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I will take that into consideration when I when my
fiance and I are figuring out what's watching it? Right?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Great, that is your Hollywood Minute with David Hellman from
Fox Splirts right there.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
If he's not hosting the NFL on Fox, that's right.
If he's not hosting the NFL on Fox podcast, he's
covering the NFL and the upcoming NFL Draft for Fox
as well. Again at David Hellman Underscore. You can also
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Speaker 5 (25:05):
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Speaker 1 (25:13):
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Speaker 4 (25:13):
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Speaker 1 (25:16):
Time anytime, fellas happy to be here.
Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the
upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello, welcome to this final episode of the Inside the
Draft podcast here in the colt Saudio Network.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Matt Taylor, and we've been with.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You every week in the months of March and April
draft season here bringing you high level draft conversations with
some of the best draftnicks in the business. We started
with the combine when temperatures were still in the twenties,
and now things are starting to warm up a bit
here in the springtime in Indianapolis and Central Indiana, and
the draft is just a little over one week away.
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Coming up next week, though, Rick Venturi will join us
here on the colt Saudio Network for his annual Inside
Football podcast breaking down the draft and the top prospects
at some positions of need for the Indianapolis Colts. So
we look forward to that next week leading into Round
number one on Thursday night. The Colts still hold the
fourteenth overall pick in the draft in Round number one.
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By the way, the Colts have twice held the fourteenth
overall pick. But you have to go back in the
day getting the time machine there a little bit once
in nineteen fifty three and again in nineteen sixty five.
The Colts head into the draft with seven picks, one
in each round. On Day two of the draft Friday,
the Colts will be picking in the second round, number
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forty five overall, and then in the third round.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Number eighty overall.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Today, we're bringing you another great draft conversation and our
guest on this final episode is David Hellman, who covers
the NFL Draft and the NFL for Fox Sports. He's
also the host of the NFL on Fox podcasts and
also spent some of his career covering the Cowboys as well.
And David joined myself and Jeffrey Gorman this week to
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break down his thoughts in the Colts offseason moves at quarterback,
why he has a hard time trying to predict what
the Colts will do with their first round pick, and
also his predictions on how the top pick in the
draft will unfold. So let's get it going here, David
Hellman from Fox Sports. On this week's Inside the Draft podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
We welcome in David Hellman, draft insider for the NFL
on Fox as well as covers this great game on
Fox it has a great podcast, the NFL on Fox Podcast.
You must check it out. Find him out on Twitter
at David Hellman Underscore once again at David Hellman Underscore. David,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Being here today.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I'm going to get to the draft with you, but
I know you also cover the Cowboys for Fox Sports,
so you have an eye on the NFC East, and
I want to start with if you could give us
a once over what your thoughts are on Daniel Jones
signing with the Colts this offseason. You've seen plenty of
them watching the NFC East through the past years. What
are the Colts getting in that quarterback?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
You know, it's funny the way that your expectations and
your opinion can change when the money does. Because I've,
you know, nothing against him personally. I've long been a
critic of Daniel Jones because of the resources that were
put into him. You know, I didn't really buy that
he was worthy of the pick the New York Giants
spin on him at the time. It felt awfully rich
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to me, as somebody that covers the draft. I was
not a fan when he got the one hundred and
sixty million dollar deal to be the Giants franchise quarterback.
Not to pat myself on the back, but I just
I didn't see that aging very well at the time.
But after all of that, the Colts land him for
one year, fourteen million dollars. I think, you know, very
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reasonable money for I mean reasonable money for a qualified backup. Really,
So if it's a guy that has a chance to start,
I think that's an even better deal. I mean, it's
hard not to think about guys like Sam Darnold in
the recent past that have signed deals like that and
really taken it and run with it. I think Daniel
is He's obviously a very naturally talented guy. He doesn't
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get the anywhere near the credit he deserves.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
For his athleticism.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So you think about what the Colts have done in
the run game over the years, I think he could
be very you know, I think he could add a
lot to that. He's obviously played a lot of NFL football,
and if he's healthy, he's not a bad quarterback. I
just never bought that he was this top ten franchise guy.
But that's not what the Colts are paying him, right
The Colts are paying him a bargain deal. Like I
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said to be an insurance policy or maybe a starter,
and I think that could really work. I think if
he needs to play, or if he wins the job
from Anthony Richardson, I think he could lead that offense
to some good places.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And I liked the deal a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I was a little surprised the Vikings let him get
out of their building, to be honest with you, because
that seemed like it made a hell of a lot
of sense for them with their own young quarterback. So
the Colts were clearly willing to pay a little bit more,
and I think it was a really good decision.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We'll see how it ages.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Obviously there's so much anticipation and pressure on the Anthony
Richardson situation, but that it's not a bad card to
have in your back pocket at.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
All Colts fans. There's some upside on Daniel Jones. We
hear from David Hellman again, follow him on Twitter. Acts
at David Hellman. Underscore quarterbacks in this NFL draft do
the tough two And of course I'm talking about cam
Ward and Shador Sanders. Are they gone within the first
ten picks of this draft?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I mean, cam is for sure. I am completely bought
in on this idea, and I know it's lying season,
it's smoke screen season. You never know for sure, but
I'm very bought in on the idea that cam Ward
is going to be a Titan at number one.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Shadour is a little trickier, you know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I think it's there's obviously so many landing spots that
he could go within the top ten.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right. Cleveland and the Giants speak for themselves.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I think the Saints and the Raiders, even with the
Geno Smith deal, I think the Raiders can't be completely
written off.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
But also we see this every year.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I mean, quarterbacks are incredibly hard to project because it
is such an important position and it is so valuable
to get the guy I on a rookie deal and
have four or five years of cheap quarterback play to
work on the rest of your roster with I would
be surprised if he's there outside of the top ten.
But you also have to take these teams grades into account.
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I mean, it was I believe it was. What three
years ago, twenty twenty two, we spent so much time
and energy talking about Pickett and Malik Willis and Desmond Ritter,
and a lot of people thought those guys might go
really high as well, and Pikett waited around until the twenties,
and then the other two guys weren't even first round picks.
I don't think that'll happen to Schadur Sanders, but I
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can at least conceive of a world where he's picked
in the teens or maybe even the twenties. I think
he'll be a first round pick, but I see his
range as being anywhere between two and three and probably
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think Pittsburgh is like the absolute.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Latest I could see him going, but I do think
there's some some room for fluctuation there.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I want to stay on quarterbacks, and a lot of
people are still talking about Shador Sanders, and I saw
dan Orlowsky recently on ESPN kind of picking his game apart,
not not to be critical or negative, but just you know,
being honest about what he sees. In college, he was
either wowing people with his accuracy or just kind of
checking it down at the line of scrimmage, dunking and
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dunk in his way for points with Colorado. How do
you classify Sanders now that we've got all the intel
on him going into this draft, had his Pro day
last week, so he's kind of checked all the boxes
along the way leading up to the draft. Where are
you with him as it relates to him having a
successful NFL career.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I think Schadur is unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
I mean, there's so much about him that gets analyzed
and picked apart that has nothing to do with how
he is as a player. Right, Obviously he's Deon Sanders' son.
He's this very brash personality that you know, Colorado has
has skyrocketed to the forefront of college football.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You've seen the.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Very dramatic games and the celebrity culture that kind of
came to Colorado while Shaduur was there. So like all
of that gets baked in and really, at the end
of the day, has nothing to do with how good
of a quarterback he is. If he was not Deon Sanders' son,
I think there would be way less argument about how
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good he is now. I don't necessarily he's I don't
see him as this like prototypical slam dunk top three
pick in the in the vein of some of these
guys we've seen in recent years, like Caleb Williams or
Trevor Lawrence. But he's got more than enough arm strength.
He's incredibly accurate. He's yeah, he's a little bit undersized,
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but in I mean, we've seen it has become I
would even say the norm for teams to care less
about that stuff. I mean, Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield
were number one overall picks in the NFL draft. If
those two guys have the physical makeup to pull it off,
than Shadur Sanders absolutely does. My concerns with him are
the same as they are with so many other guys
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that come out, and it's just adapting to the structure
and timing that you have to have as an NFL quarterback.
You know, hero ball is a lot harder to pull
off in the NFL, and if you're gonna do it,
you probably need to have some freaky, you know, physical
traits like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson do.
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I don't think sur Sanders quite qualifies for that level
of athleticism. So if you don't have it at the
NFL level, you got to learn to play in structure.
You got to learn to get the ball out on time.
Not to say that he can't do it, but I
don't think his college game really translates that well to
what an NFL quarterback needs to look like. So I
think there needs to be some development there at the
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NFL level. I absolutely thinks he's talented enough and has
good enough tape to be, like I said, a top
ten pick, and I think a lot of the debate
is hung up on just how famous he is for
reasons other than playing quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All right, David, Let's talk about the Colts and your
latest mock draft. You've got the Colts taking Colston Lovelin
out of Michigan. Obviously we have read up on him.
Field stretching tight end could be great right away, at
least in the passing game. So David, what kind of
instant impact player is he in the NFL? Potentially within
this fit under Shane Stike in this Colts offense.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Would you mind if I actually I want to turn.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
This back on y'all because I got the Colts are
very interesting to me for a couple of reasons, one
being I feel like the Colts are one of these
teams where, of course first round picks always matter. It's
not to say that doesn't matter, but the Colts are
kind of stuck to me at least and get again.
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This is like from a national perspective, where you're trying
to keep an eye on everything. The Colts are stuck
in this situation where it's like, Okay, whatever they do,
it's not gonna matter unless Anthony Richardson takes the next
step comes that quarterback. So I think a lot of
people are looking for a first round match with the
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Colts that makes Anthony Richardson a better player. And that's
why you see so many people like me mocking them
a tight end because the depth chart suggests that they
need one. Tight end is often a quarterback's best friend,
and so you wind up with a lot of people
saying Tyler Warren and Colson Lovelin. I think it makes
a lot of sense on the surface, But I've also
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done this enough to know that Chris Ballard and other
NFL general managers, they're not just thinking about what's gonna
help Anthony Richardson over the next dozen games. They got
to think about multiple years in the future. They got
to think about the value of the contract when you
pick a guy as high as the Colts will be picking.
So with all that in mind, is it as simple
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to y'all as people that know this team far better
than I do. Is it as simple to y'all as saying, Hey,
they need a guy that's gonna help Anthony Richardson. Or
are we are those of us that are further away
missing something? No.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I think a great argument that you have. I think
it's something that we've kicked around here in the offseason
a handful of times when it's not as slam dunk
as Hey, just take the best tight end available because,
as you said, we need one on the roster and
it can help Anthony Richardson continue to grow and develop.
But they have two offensive line starters that have left
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the team in free agency, and Ryan Kelly and Will Fries.
They need some options there. They need more defensive line depth.
They could also use another pass rusher to compliment what
lou An Rumo wants to do as a defensive coordinator
in his first year here in Indianapolis. So kind of
boils down to how deep tight end is and what
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percentage of the top tight ends can you get on
Day two.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
And that's the great thing about the draft. And look,
it would make all the sense in the world if
they did draft a tight end and I think most
people would would applaud them for that. You mentioned the
two losses on the offensive line. It makes so much
sense to do either of those things.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
But I can see a world where.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
You know, Samsonwcom and Quity pay are both in contract years, right,
I could see a world where the value is better
at pass rusher. I know the Colts took La Tu
Latu last year, but you could still wind up in
a situation where that's the best possible player at a
very important position. Sure, and that makes all the sense
in the world too, But I think people would kill
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Chris Ballard for doing that because you gotta make life
as easy as possible on the quarterback this year if
you want everybody to keep their jobs. So I'm curious
to see how you strike that balance between drafting purely
and drafting.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To help out your quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
But like I said, I've done this enough times to know.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I would.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
There has got to be twenty thousand mock drafts that
have put a tight end in Indianapolis this spring, and
I think I'd be surprised if it was that tidy,
because it usually isn't.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I'm with you on that one, totally agree that's David
Hellman from Fox Sports NFL Draft Insider and covers the NFL.
Follow him on Twitter x at David Hellman Underscore Where
is the beef? I love that phrase from years past.
I'm a lot older than you, so I used it
more than you did, David. But where is the beef
of this draft?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Second? Third round?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Chris Pallard. Chris Pallard loves to make hay in the
second and third rounds. And we know I've talked to
different experts, different mock draft analysts that have said, you know,
there might be twelve to twenty first round, actual first
round choices picks in this draft. Where's your meet in
that second and third round where the value is?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, it's not just me.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I mean, you know, I'm glad people care enough about
my opinion to listen to the podcast, But you want
to get informed opinions from the scouts and the coaches
and the executives that actually look at this stuff right,
And everything I've heard from talking to people is the
positions worth getting excited about. I think you'll hear a
lot of people in the NFL talking about defensive line
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all over the place, edge rusher as well, as defensive tackle,
this seems to be an incredibly deep group at that position.
And then I know it's probably not exciting to the
Colts because you have Jonathan Taylor on the roster, but
you hear so much about how fun this running back
class is, and once you dive into it, you get
the hype. I mean, there's fifteen or sixteen really good
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looking running backs in this class. There could be as
many as three drafted in the first round. I think
you could see six to eight drafted in the top
fifty sixty picks. There's just a lot of talent there.
So maybe not the best news for the Colts, although
on the flip side of that, every running back that's
taken could push another quality prospect down the board to Indianapolis.
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But those are the positions that get me the most excited,
defensive line and running back.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Doubling back to the quarterback conversation that we were having David,
you know, as it relates to the top of the draft.
Russell Wilson, Now with the Giants, should they still be
on the hunt for a quarterback with the third overall pick,
and if so, who should it be? How should they
attack the short term versus the long term at that
position as it relates to this draft.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I just said a bunch of nice stuff about Shadar Sanders,
and I really do like him as a player, to
be honest with you, But I've been on this train
with the Giants this year of saying now's not the
right time, not for the Giants, I don't think, because
they are still fairly you know, they're they're far away
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from being a true contender when you think about where
they are as a team and the division that they
play in. I mean, both of the NFC Championship Game
participants are in their division. So you're not one draft
away from really mattering in the NFC conversation. Russell Wilson
clear can get you to respectability. He's done it the
last two years. You know, he was solid in Denver
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when they didn't make the playoffs, and then he got
the Steelers to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I know the season went south in a hurry, but
ten wins for.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
The New York Giants after the decade that they've been
through would be phenomenal stuff. So I like the idea
of the Giants bolstering their roster. You know, if it's
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Great.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
If it's Abdul Carter also great. Take the best player
that's there for you that's not a quarterback. And if
you insist on taking a quarterback anyway, you can do
that with I think they have the thirty fourth overall pick.
They have a pick in the sixties. You can find
a guy to play behind Russell Wilson if your hell
bent on drafting a quarterback. I would rather see the
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Giants improve their overall roster, though, And I'll be honest,
you know, if the Giants add let's say they add
Abdul Carter, you have one of the best pass rushes
in the NFL. You've got Russell Wilson, you got a
franchise receiver in Malik Neighbors. If Brian Dable is as
good of a coach as I think he is, you
should be able to win eight nine games with that team,
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or at least be in the mix, you know, and
so show me you can do that, and then we can.
You know, we'll keep you around, We'll give you an extension,
we don't have to bring in an all new regime,
and then we can look for the quarterback next year.
I'd rather do that than have Joe Shane and Brian
Dable draft Shador Sanders at three overall, get themselves fired,
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and now Shaduur's working with the coaching staff that didn't
draft him. I think that is that's bad for everybody involved.
So for a lot of reasons, I'd rather see the
Giants punt on a top ten quarterback for at least
for at least this year.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Sound like Mark Cuban right there for those reasons, I'm out.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, last one for me, David, As Jeffrey said at
the top, cover the Cowboys very in depth. So Brian
Schottenheimer now in Dallas, he was with the Colts for
a couple of years as quarterbacks coach with Andrew Luck.
I remember those days. Finally, good guy, good coach. Does
he feel like he's ready to you? And how do
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you think this is going to play out? And how
poised do you think the Cowboys are to rebound this
season after missing out on the postseason last year?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Well, in true Cowboys fashion, I really think that's going
to depend on how well they do in this draft,
because that's how the Cowboys insist on building their team.
You know, they're famously inactive in free agency. I'm sure
they would argue that they did a lot more work
this year, which is true, but doing just over the
bare minimums not really getting the job done. When again,
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just like the Giants, you share a division with the
Eagles and now the Commanders. So I really think this
is a draft where the Cowboys are going to have
to find one, if not two, like star caliber rookies
to really improve themselves enough to contend on a meaningful level.
I was dubious about Brian Schottenheimer. I I don't think
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there's any way around it. It's a pretty uninspiring hire,
and you choose the guy that's never been a head coach,
longtime NFL assistant who just so happened to work one
hundred feet down the hallway from where Jerry.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Jones and Stephen Jones' offices.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Having said that, I've been really impressed by what he's
done since getting the job.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I really like his coaching staff. You know, brought Matti
Everflus back to Dallas.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Obviously, he was an excellent defensive coordinator with the Colts.
Turned that into a head coaching job in Chicago did
not go very well. I still think he's a really
good defensive coordinator. I think he can get the Cowboys
defense on track. I'm excited to see what he can
do with Micah Parsons. Some other really interesting hires.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
He hired Clayton Adams out of Arizona to be his
offensive coordinator. The Cardinals have done some really exciting stuff
in their run game and with their offensive line, so
that's very intriguing. The defensive line coach is coming over
from the New York Jets, where I mean the one
of the few things that Jets have gotten right in
recent years is rushing the passers. So there's a lot
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of hires he's made to that I really like. Unfortunately
for him, I feel like his hands are a little
bit tied by how the Cowboys choose to acquire talent,
which I think that's something all Cowboys head coaches in
recent history have in common. So I'm interested to see
how they do in this draft. If they nail it,
if they hit it out of the park, I think
they could be a lot better than a lot of
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us expect.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
If they don't, then that's probably more of the same,
which is pretty disappointing.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
He hosts the NFL on Fox podcast. His name's David Helman.
Follow him on Twitter x once again at David Hellman underscore,
you're out in Tinseltown. You're out in LA right now.
So I gotta have an entertainment question if you don't mind,
Oh of course, I.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Mean I am the antithesis of like this entertainment. You know,
I don't spend a lot of time in Hollywood. No,
I'll do what I can.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You're gonna like this one though.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
There's a series that is streaming called Landman that Jerry
Jones was on with Billy Bob Thornton as well as
John Ham. Did you happen to see the clip of
the Cowboys owner from Landman?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I did? I did.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I haven't seen the show, but I've seen the clip
and I gotta tell you amazing to me. He No,
he was phenomenal. Not to take credit away from Jerry,
but like you know, it went viral on the Internet
and everybody was talking about how good of a job
he did, and I was like, oh, yeah, I could
have told you all this, Like Jerry is a gifted
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public speaker.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I was.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I was not surprised at all, and I've seen him
give similar spiels. You know, he talks about working with
his family all the time. He likes to reflect on
his career. He's gotten a little emotional in recent years,
you know, as he's gotten older. I think looking back
at the journey they've all been on since he bought
the team, it was phenomenal. But watching it as somebody
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that's been around the Cowboys for a long time, I
was like, oh, yeah, I could have told y'all he
had this.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It really was. It touched me.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And you talked about pulling on those heartstrings when he
talked about his kids and stuff. I was really blown away.
And I just I know you're close to that franchise.
I just wanted to get your take on it. David.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Oh, I mean it felt it felt very real.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
It felt like a conversation that Jerry has probably had
in his real life.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I think people say, like, the best fiction is is
not as not as far fetched as you would guess,
And yeah, I mean Jerry talks about that stuff all
the time. All three of his kids are intimately involved
in the day to day.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Operations with the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Uh. Some fans would probably say they wish it wasn't
that way, but hey, that's it's it's his team to
run and yeah, it's it's a very family driven organization.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So to see, Like I said, I like he when
he got the script.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
From Taylor shared, Taylor shared, and he's he's he's friends with.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Taylor shared as well.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I think that that relationship goes beyond just doing that
one scene. And I think when Taylor Sheridan told him
what he had in mind, I bet he was probably like, yeah,
I just got.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, right right. And David, I know you're swamped.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You've got a very busy schedule obviously with the podcast
and covering the league for Fox and Foxsports dot Com.
Uh So, I know you don't get a lot of
free time. But if you're gonna prioritize one thing to
stream or binge watch, it's gotta be land Man. It's
definitely worth That's all in. Yeah, that's all in. And
I'm a tough critic. I'm a very tough critic.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I usually watch something for like five six episodes, and
if you don't hook me and you don't bring me in,
I'm out. So Landman is the best thing I've seen
in the last decade. That's how good it is.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I will take that into consideration when I when my
fiance and I are figuring out what's watching it? Right?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Great, that is your Hollywood Minute with David Hellman from
Fox Splirts right there.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
If he's not hosting the NFL on Fox, that's right.
If he's not hosting the NFL on Fox podcast, he's
covering the NFL and the upcoming NFL Draft for Fox
as well. Again at David Hellman Underscore. You can also
find him at Carla's Cafe on Third Street near Cedar
sin I. If you want that good sandwich day, David,
it is there for you.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I have got some free time later in the week
and that is exactly what I'm planning.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
On land Man in a sandwich and good to go
land Man and a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Hey, we got better today thanks to you, David Helm
appreciate the
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Time anytime, fellas happy to be here.
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