May 20, 2025 • 19 mins
Jeffrey Gorman sits down with former Colts tight end Jack Doyle to remember the best moments from the Indianapolis native's career, which was spent (almost) entirely with the Colts and was highlighted by two Pro Bowl appearances. JG and Jack also talk about Tyler Warren, the Colts' current quarterback competition and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to High Volume. I'm Jeffrey Gorman. Joined today by greatness.
When you talk about the Indianapolis Colts, this is a
great story and that's what we're celebrating today. And we
do that with Jack Doyle, former Colts tight end.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Boyle boy.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Where do I start with you? How about this little
trivia on you? What is your longest reception in the NFL?
How many yards?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thirty four?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thirty four is correct? He did it in your last
year and all that. That's why I brought it up.
You remember the play.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I do remember the play because it was with Carson
Wentz where he was like, you know, hey, we gotta
get that you know, longest catch up and then we
end up. I popped open against the It was gaming
against the La Rams here at home, you guys, right
up in the dirt. I really just got dropped that
run a little seven route as it was Ashton dueling,
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you know, took the top off the defense, running and
running a post and they dropped me. So that's so yeah,
should to catch it and run well?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I want to celebrate your career because it is a
unique one. It's one of those that Joe Wright's I've
talked about with a lot. You guys are similar in
a way that you're watching this team as a kid.
I just found out your mother worked for the Indiana
Pacers for years, so you were ingrained in sports.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
In the Indianapolis area. I just want to bounce through
your career.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Cathedral High School did everything there, played rugby, played basketball,
played football. You come out of Cathedral, you get the
All State you know, honors and everything to go.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
With this, but nobody's coming after you.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, to play football, not really, but Western Kentucky finally did.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
If you could take us for that transition. Did you
think you were done playing football after your high school?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You know that my goal was to play college football, right,
I mean that's that's what I wanted to do. I
would have done it anyway I could, whether that was
walk on or whatever, you know, whatever path it was
going to be. And then Western Kentucky came along late,
ended up offering me a scholarship, and that was my
only division. You know, they were actually transferring from you know,
I don't forget what's calling up those Division one double
A back then to one A. They're in that transition period,
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and so yeah, it was a division one a offer.
I was said, yep, I'll be there. Oh thanks, thanks
for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, that's what it is, and that's what your career
is really, Jack. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean one hundred and eighty excuse me, one hundred
and thirty one total games.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You had eighty four starts in that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Like I said, an undrafted free agent Tennessee takes takes
a flyer on you. You go down there for camp
one of the last cuts down there, the Colts come calling.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What was your thought there? And said, hey, I'm just
going to try and make this team right?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
That was crazy, you know, you know, Tennessee was you know,
obviously was there for OTA's and camping, and then they
were going to sign me to their practice squad and
I was kind of sitting in their facility and they
were waiting to make sure none of the practice squad
guys got claimed on waivers. And the lady comes back
in says, everyone come with me except Jack. You got
claimed by the Colts. And I was like, okay, what
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do I do now? You know, it's like you go
to your locker. It's like I don't need any of
this stuff. That's like, none of this Tennessee Titan stuff.
So you know I made the familiar drive up sixty.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Five, you know, four hour drive.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah yeah, Western Kentucky was just north of Nashville, So
you know, it's drive I've made many times. And remember
Mega with my you know, she was my girlfriend at
the time, Casey my wife. Now you know little s
ten truck full of a bunch of craft and uh
and showed up for practice on Monday.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, I'll tell you what that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's where it gets interesting with you, because you're one
of those guys where Colts fans see, oh okay, we
signed a local guy.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That'll be good.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I have practice guy that's not you. Nine years in
this league. Yeah, outlasted Eric Ebron. Yeah, outlasted Kobe Fleener,
Dwayne Allen, guy's third round pick, second round picks.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Eric Ebron. Obviously we saw what he did and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And I was talking to Mike Chappel about it, and
he said, so un like the way that you handled
yourself was lunch pale wife, and it wasn't about you.
It literally was about the team and the guys around you.
Is that one of the reasons why you stick and
stuck around so long?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I guess. I mean the thing that was most important
to me was being a good teammate, right, I mean
that was that's still yeah, But Jack, this is the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's a guy sort of Mentell, how come that wasn't you?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't know, I uh, it's I guess I'll credit
my parents. I don't know. Ye know, It's just it's
just something that you know, I always just I wanted
to be an all star in my role, whatever that
role was. If it was special teams early on, if
it was you know, you know, and then starting to
get into the offense a little bit, I just wanted
whatever they did asked me to do, I wanted to
do it to the best my abilities and help the
team right and and may it help. Being a Colts
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fan growing up, you know, it meant a little more
to me. Maybe I don't know, but yeah. I just
try to day and day out, just try to work,
try not to think about it too much. Honestly, didn't
think about being the hometown guy or anything like that
while I was playing, but definitely have a great appreciation
for it now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Jack, if they said drive the team bus over to
the game, you probably would go get my CDL.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, and go do it. That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like I said, you outlasted some great tight ends that
you just kept playing one hundred and thirty one games,
eighty four starts. I mean, what you did in the
NFL Chapel says is that lunch pale mentality got to
play with great quarterbacks. And of course I want to
start with like Andrew Lucke. Here's you a guy trying
to make the Tennessee Titans as a practice squad player,
and you know, less than a year later or something,
(04:58):
you're in the same room with Luck. How was the
relationship with you? And by the way, you started to
come on then because they saw it not only reliable
as a pass catcher, but the guy's also kind of
like an extra tackle out there at your size, right
playing you know, offensive line and chipping these big defensive
edge guys.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Again, just just doing whatever I was asked to do.
But yeah, obviously Andrew and I had a great relation,
still have a great relationship to this day, and you
know it was it made the transition easier coming here,
you know, speaking from an offensive playbook. I played for
Willie Taggert at Western Kentucky he's a hardball disciple, so
they you know, Andrew played for Jim Harball, Pep worked
under them. So the offense was the same when I
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got here that I ran in college. The terminology was
all the same. It was that West Coast offense. So
it made it really easy for me to pick it up, right,
So I was able to move and play you know,
you know tight end. You could play three different spots basically,
so I was able to pick up and know all
three different spots, and and and and Pep used a
lot of tight ends, right, you know, That's what we
did early on. So I just tried to do what
(05:56):
I was asked and do it to the best of
my ability.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, i'll tell you what you you did do that,
and you're one of those things that Colts fan said,
reliable guy.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We know eighty four is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But Jack, get real with me here, Get real because
I know a lot of this and maybe not all
of it, but to play this game, you have to
show up, and you have to show up and you're injured. Yeah,
and Jack Doyle, that's one thing that you did. Like
I'm not saying to say week in a week out,
but if you were a you know, a secretary. I
don't think you would have showed up for work that day,
(06:25):
but no, you said, hey, I'm going to do whatever
it takes. Again on the field, playing with injuries Jack
in your career almost a decade.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
How hard was that on you? And I know it's
part of the job, but really, mentally, that really takes its.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it takes a toll. It does mentally, you know.
And I'll give a shout to my wife, Casey, because
she dealed with She dealt with me at home when
you know I could let you know, you know how
frustrated I was out and all that fun stuff. But
you know it was, you know, dealing with different injuries
throughout your career. It's tough, man, But we're you know,
every player's going through it, right. Everyone's got something right
that either you carried over from college or you know
(06:58):
you got you gotten while you're playing in the NFL.
And it's tough, man. You's got to be mentally tough.
You know, you gotta just show up day in, take
it one day at a time, one practice, one meeting.
I really I didn't always do it right. You know,
we're all human, right, but I really tried to have
that mentality coming in and just take it one thing
at a time. And I feel like that's when I
played my.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Best ball, absolutely, And you were one of those guys
as a leader in that locker room, which you were
not a big raw raw guy. Kind of just follow
do what I do and everything will work out. But
you talked about Andrew Luck, and you talked about your
your relationship with him, and that preseason night comes and
in Chicago and words starts spreading. Andrew Luck's going to
retire from football. You got a locker room there, Who's
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going to be quarterback? Jacoby's around stuff like that, just
your mentality, your teammates mentalities, and Jack more importantly, keeping
that locker room kind of just settled down enough because
that was.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
A huge, huge obviously that was obviously that was a
huge deal. And you know, first I was just you know,
being there for Andrew as a friend, right, No, that
was the most important thing to me. And then but yeah,
you know, we had to go play football. The NFL
stops for nobody, right, and that's that's just what it is.
And Jacoby's my guy as well. You know, I'm close
with both those are two of my best friends still today,
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right and h So, yeah, it was you know, rally
around Jacoby and in Jacoby. This is a credit to
Jacoby's leadership, right and what he brought to the table.
You know, people believed in Jacoby and Jacoby did a
great job and we had a great run there to
start that nineteen season and he kind of got banged
up and it kind of fell apart there at the end.
But but yeah, I think it's more of a credit
(08:30):
to the locker room that we were able to kind
of have a little bit of run, you know, fell
short in the end. But uh, but yeah, that was
obviously a tough time.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Tough time for you to play for a lot of
quarterbacks shack over those those nine years.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm talking about lucks back is in there.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Let's go over Jacoby, Carson Webb, Philip Rivers who I
know you have slationship, you played with the great Well,
the final game that you played was the same one
that that he had had as well as far as
the NFL career.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Goes, well, we had you know, it was it was
definitely there was definitely you know, challenges to it, right.
But then as I'm done and looking back. I mean,
what a great opportunity it was to play with all
these different types of guys, get to know all these
different type of guys and how they stall the game.
They're all different in their own way, right. Philip was
more like, you know, yeah, just get over there and
get open, you know. And then maybe Andrew is more.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Like, wait, wait wait wait wait stop, So I love this, Yes,
go over there, get open.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
If it's a twelve yard out, you could run a
ten yard out or fifteen, it didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Matter if you're if it was going to be open
early see it. And you know he's more he played
with his instincts, right, and and he had a great
way of delivering that message to you, phil I love Philip.
And Andrew maybe more so, was like I need you
on that fourth inside step and then roll it in there, right.
But he still had Andrew play with great instincts too,
Like I don't think people, you know, people see him
(09:47):
as a smart guy, but his instincts were and everything
it was incredible. I can't I can't. You know, everyone
knows that I can't say that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Similar command, similar command of the offense between Rivers and
love the way that.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
They just a different way of communicating, but it was
the same expectations. Right, when you play with great players
like that, they make your job easier as a pass catcher, right,
That's the first thing you noticed as for a great quarterback,
and just a different way of delivering, which makes it
fun to be able to work with different guys I think,
and getting to know them both. But yeah, they every
court j Carson, they all had different ways of communicating
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and getting things across and how they wanted things. So
it was a fun challenge. It was challenging at times,
maybe frustrated times trying to get on the same page
because you're used to one guy then moving to another,
But it's also a fun challenge when you look back
on it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Challenges galore over your course of your career.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Injuries aside, but coaching changes Pagano to Frank Reich and
stuff like that. Again, trying to keep that locker room
just in good. You had to do a lot of
balancing acts throughout your career here Indianapolis because there were
a lot of you know, moves that went around with
the front office, with the head coach, with the general manager.
You settled in after Ryan Grigson with Chris Ballard, just
give me your thoughts on the Colts GM, what he
(10:57):
meant to you. And obviously you're a guy that came
into him after you were one of his guys.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
He said, moo, my gosh, what a gift this is.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, Chris is I love Chris and and he's he first,
you know, Chris on a personal level, he he cares
about the person, right, I think that's something that's rare
to find, and and and and while doing that also
doing a great job at his job. And he's meant
so much to me and my family and all that
he's done for us, you know, behind the scenes that
(11:24):
people don't know about. But yeah, he's just he's just
my guy. He's my friend now, you know, he's he's
no longer my boss. I don't I don't have to
worry about that. So he's just my buddy now. Chuck. Yeah, Chucks,
Chuck's the man.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I still see him at the gal every year. Yeah,
So you know, so Chuck's Chuck's great and and talked
to Frank you know, just a little bit ago when
he took the job over there in Stanford with Andrew.
So it's uh, it's fun to have those connections and
and the football circle is so small, right, you know,
you get in it and you get meet these coaches,
and it just everyone knows everybody, and it's fun to
have those connections carry on past football.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Jack, You've got young kids at home, you and your wife.
Is football is something that will be a part of
your future?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Whatever that is. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
They're scouting, there's coaching, there's announcing everything, and yeah, is
it something you want to keep it in your life?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah? I think so. You know, it's funny. I tell
people this a lot. It's like, I feel like playing
in the NFL, you basically get a PhD in football, Right,
I have all this knowledge in here and then now
I'm not using it, is what it feels like. Sometimes
my eight year old can only take so much of me,
you know, rewinding a play on TV and see how
Mod did this right, Like this is great. People don't
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see this, but he set up Jonathan on this run.
You know I do that stuff, and he's just like, Dad,
I want to watch Jonathan run, right. So yeah, it's
fun to have all this knowledge and want to get out.
But yeah, well I'm doing the flag football with the boys,
and we'll do it with my daughter when she gets
old enough. And so yeah, football, football is the best, man.
I love it. It's the greatest support there is and
(12:51):
it's a ton of fun. So in some way, shape
or form, I'll always be involved with it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Thousands of fans cheering you on on Sundays, a lot
of money in the bank.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's just it is the NFL. You why say goodbye?
When you said goodbye in twenty one?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Was there did you think, hey, I could probably do
this another year, catch you know, catch another season long check,
which is a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
How hard was that for you and your wife?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, it was really hard. But really it comes back
to what kind of what we talked about the beginning.
I didn't feel like physically I could be the teammate
I needed to be, And that's honestly what it was.
Really That last year was really hard. I mean just
I felt it every day getting in the car in
the morning, you know, you know, building I remember bending
my head down to get in the truck, and it's
just like, man, I don't know that on Wednesdays, you know,
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and I gotta go practice to that. You know. It
was stuff like that that. It was like, Okay, I can't.
I can't be the guy I've always said I'm gonna
be and come out here and give them, you know,
half of me, right, or give me a part, give
give my teammates a part of me. I needed to
be all in full, and that's how you have to
be in the NFL. I'm not going to go there
and try and collect a check or anything like that.
So it was very tough. I missed it like crazy.
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I missed my teammates, missed the coaches because it's it's
the best. It's the best support there is. It's the
best thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Did you play with the mentality, especially right in the middle.
Let's say, you know, seventeen eighteen nineteen, you're at the
top of your game and stuff like that, but still
play with one of these young kids is out here
to take my job.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Did you have that mentality coming from where you did that? Yeah,
drafted for you.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You have to. You have to. You know, you don't
say it outly, but we're all competitive for your own yeah, right,
And I would always give that to a teammate. I
always absolutely, I mean, I've mo Aley Cox was my
little project there early on, you know, but no, it's
you have to have that competitive drive or you won't
make it. Man, you can, you know, I can smile
(14:36):
for the camera and say the right thing. But it's
in there. Don't don't let it. Don't let it fool
you that the competitive drive is always always in there,
and uh you have to you know, that's what it was.
Robert mathis im said it, you know, my rookie year
m or him kind of yelling. He said, they're always
trying to take your locker. Yeah, you know they're always
there's everyone come there trying to take your locker. Don't
let them take your locker. And you got to have
that right. It's got to be in there somewhere. Some
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guys expressed it outly, some guys, you know, keep it inside.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But safe to say that one regret would be obviously
the ring that everybody's playing for.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But you gave everything to this game.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, I mean there was nothing left in your tank
as far as and I think he's proven that when
you guys watch your career, I mean that that's a
that's a true thing.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah. I think I got the most out of the
abilities God gave me. Yeah, Yeah, that was the goal
going in. But yeah, I had no regrets, which you know,
I wish we could have got the big one, right
especially you know, it means even more, you know, being
from here and sure, and I mean I was downtown
in six you know, when when they want it and
and so yeah, that's the regret. You know, Is that
(15:36):
a regret? I don't know, that's just you know, it
didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You had a great career, and Cooth fans I speak
for all of them because they see at the market
or they see four sixty five or at the Indy
five hundred, they're all coming up to you. Everybody knows
who Jack Doyle is, so much respect for you in
your career, and I just kind of wanted to bounce
over it because we don't talk about it as much.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You and the Joe Rights of the world.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
One town kids playing football in the street thinking you know,
they're they're Jim Harbaugh petnanny and stuff like that, and
then you go putting on the horseshoe on your helmet.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I don't get I mean, we used to I
used to run. We used to always run the comeback,
ye like Reggie Wayne, And we'd always try and do
the late hands right, and then I gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Be late hands, will get hitting the Oh yeah, we
got hit.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
We would hit each other. We throw it so hard
to each other and try and you know, hit each
other in the face doing the late hands. And then
I gotta be teammates with Reggie one. I mean that's
if I say anything, Jack, that's I mean, that was
the coolest thing I ever got to do.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, but again, like I said, you got you have
to fit in that locker room, right, that's tough. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I just gotta show up and work man and try
and earn his respect. And that's all I tried to do.
But yeah, I mean, how cool for a hometown kid. Absolutely,
some I would never you know, never thought about or
thought about, but wouldn't say when I was playing. But
now that I'm done, I mean, what dependable.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's that's what the word on you as has been dependable.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh And hopefully hopefully the Colts have another dependable tight absolutely,
And I'm talking about if you could just just glance
on Tyler Warren, what the Colts fans are getting in
this in this tight end out of Penn State. And
obviously you've watched this guy. Yeah, incredible last year at
Penn Stick.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I mean he's just a studch I mean in
all around tight end, right, and obviously I'm I'm biased
to the tight end position. But the willingness to block
his body, control his balance, his run after catch, you know,
the the dragon guys four or five yards just you know,
getting ten yards after a seven yard you know that
saves your team from getting another first down. Right, It's
(17:34):
it's huge and something you don't notice maybe when you're
just casual fan watching, but be able to not make
your team have to convert more first downs. That's good, right,
we want to we want to get yards. So so yeah,
I think he's and a tight end just helps a
quarterback getting rhythm. It builds confidence. They're so usually easier throws, yep,
get them the ball early, make some rhythm, rhythm throws.
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I think it's gonna be a good thing for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Jack, you know about quarterback controversies, this guy coming in,
this guy going out.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You've seen it through your career.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Colts are looking at another similar competition this year between
Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I competition's great. I mean, like I said,
I think guys express you know, I kind of spoke
about earlier, but you express your competition in a different ways.
Some guys are, you know, keep it inside, some guys
let it come out. But but you've got to be competitive.
You got to be You're we're all competing every day,
whether they're in this billing or not. There's, however, many
scouts that are trying to replace you every day. That
(18:26):
is literally their job. So don't let them right. It
doesn't matter if they're here or not. So you just
got to focus on your lane. And that's what each
of those guys will do, I'm sure. And uh and yeah,
he's got to be a good teammate to those guys.
And and whoever you know it is, that's who it is,
and we roll and we we be a team. Jack.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I appreciate you taking the time just to let us
catch up a little bit what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
If you didn't make this.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Jump to the NFL way back, and I'm talking years ago,
what would Jack Boyle be doing right now?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You know, the plan was to always be a high
school coach or a college coach, but yeah, maybe one day.
Right now, it's having too much fun with the kids
and can't take that much time. So so yeah, I'm
just living the dream right now.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Hey, you're around the local market, the Indy five hundred,
it doesn't matter. Jack Doyle's around, stop and say hey,
and stop and say thank you for what this man
meant to the horseshoe in the Indianapolis colts. I appreciate
you gutching up with us always and really enjoyed watching
your career because you're one of those guys like we
talked about the lunch pail, that boyd dependable.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Jack Doyle's there. We got a shot today.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Hey, thanks for watching high volume to our audio listeners
as well as our YouTube viewers. Appreciate you guys. Also, uh,
we do it week in and week out, and I'm
just bringing Jack Doyle on to say a final goodbye
because that's what I want to bring you guys.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's what we want to bring you guys, is these
these greats that have the blood, sweat and tears for
this organization and go over the story. So Jack, again,
I appreciate you taking the times and thank you for watching.
We're going to talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Should pay
Welcome to High Volume. I'm Jeffrey Gorman. Joined today by greatness.
When you talk about the Indianapolis Colts, this is a
great story and that's what we're celebrating today. And we
do that with Jack Doyle, former Colts tight end.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Boyle boy.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Where do I start with you? How about this little
trivia on you? What is your longest reception in the NFL?
How many yards?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thirty four?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thirty four is correct? He did it in your last
year and all that. That's why I brought it up.
You remember the play.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I do remember the play because it was with Carson
Wentz where he was like, you know, hey, we gotta
get that you know, longest catch up and then we
end up. I popped open against the It was gaming
against the La Rams here at home, you guys, right
up in the dirt. I really just got dropped that
run a little seven route as it was Ashton dueling,
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you know, took the top off the defense, running and
running a post and they dropped me. So that's so yeah,
should to catch it and run well?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I want to celebrate your career because it is a
unique one. It's one of those that Joe Wright's I've
talked about with a lot. You guys are similar in
a way that you're watching this team as a kid.
I just found out your mother worked for the Indiana
Pacers for years, so you were ingrained in sports.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
In the Indianapolis area. I just want to bounce through
your career.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Cathedral High School did everything there, played rugby, played basketball,
played football. You come out of Cathedral, you get the
All State you know, honors and everything to go.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
With this, but nobody's coming after you.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, to play football, not really, but Western Kentucky finally did.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
If you could take us for that transition. Did you
think you were done playing football after your high school?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You know that my goal was to play college football, right,
I mean that's that's what I wanted to do. I
would have done it anyway I could, whether that was
walk on or whatever, you know, whatever path it was
going to be. And then Western Kentucky came along late,
ended up offering me a scholarship, and that was my
only division. You know, they were actually transferring from you know,
I don't forget what's calling up those Division one double
A back then to one A. They're in that transition period,
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and so yeah, it was a division one a offer.
I was said, yep, I'll be there. Oh thanks, thanks
for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, that's what it is, and that's what your career
is really, Jack. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean one hundred and eighty excuse me, one hundred
and thirty one total games.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You had eighty four starts in that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Like I said, an undrafted free agent Tennessee takes takes
a flyer on you. You go down there for camp
one of the last cuts down there, the Colts come calling.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What was your thought there? And said, hey, I'm just
going to try and make this team right?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
That was crazy, you know, you know, Tennessee was you know,
obviously was there for OTA's and camping, and then they
were going to sign me to their practice squad and
I was kind of sitting in their facility and they
were waiting to make sure none of the practice squad
guys got claimed on waivers. And the lady comes back
in says, everyone come with me except Jack. You got
claimed by the Colts. And I was like, okay, what
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do I do now? You know, it's like you go
to your locker. It's like I don't need any of
this stuff. That's like, none of this Tennessee Titan stuff.
So you know I made the familiar drive up sixty.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Five, you know, four hour drive.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah yeah, Western Kentucky was just north of Nashville, So
you know, it's drive I've made many times. And remember
Mega with my you know, she was my girlfriend at
the time, Casey my wife. Now you know little s
ten truck full of a bunch of craft and uh
and showed up for practice on Monday.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, I'll tell you what that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's where it gets interesting with you, because you're one
of those guys where Colts fans see, oh okay, we
signed a local guy.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That'll be good.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I have practice guy that's not you. Nine years in
this league. Yeah, outlasted Eric Ebron. Yeah, outlasted Kobe Fleener,
Dwayne Allen, guy's third round pick, second round picks.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Eric Ebron. Obviously we saw what he did and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And I was talking to Mike Chappel about it, and
he said, so un like the way that you handled
yourself was lunch pale wife, and it wasn't about you.
It literally was about the team and the guys around you.
Is that one of the reasons why you stick and
stuck around so long?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I guess. I mean the thing that was most important
to me was being a good teammate, right, I mean
that was that's still yeah, But Jack, this is the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's a guy sort of Mentell, how come that wasn't you?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't know, I uh, it's I guess I'll credit
my parents. I don't know. Ye know, It's just it's
just something that you know, I always just I wanted
to be an all star in my role, whatever that
role was. If it was special teams early on, if
it was you know, you know, and then starting to
get into the offense a little bit, I just wanted
whatever they did asked me to do, I wanted to
do it to the best my abilities and help the
team right and and may it help. Being a Colts
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fan growing up, you know, it meant a little more
to me. Maybe I don't know, but yeah. I just
try to day and day out, just try to work,
try not to think about it too much. Honestly, didn't
think about being the hometown guy or anything like that
while I was playing, but definitely have a great appreciation
for it now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Jack, if they said drive the team bus over to
the game, you probably would go get my CDL.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, and go do it. That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like I said, you outlasted some great tight ends that
you just kept playing one hundred and thirty one games,
eighty four starts. I mean, what you did in the
NFL Chapel says is that lunch pale mentality got to
play with great quarterbacks. And of course I want to
start with like Andrew Lucke. Here's you a guy trying
to make the Tennessee Titans as a practice squad player,
and you know, less than a year later or something,
(04:58):
you're in the same room with Luck. How was the
relationship with you? And by the way, you started to
come on then because they saw it not only reliable
as a pass catcher, but the guy's also kind of
like an extra tackle out there at your size, right
playing you know, offensive line and chipping these big defensive
edge guys.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Again, just just doing whatever I was asked to do.
But yeah, obviously Andrew and I had a great relation,
still have a great relationship to this day, and you
know it was it made the transition easier coming here,
you know, speaking from an offensive playbook. I played for
Willie Taggert at Western Kentucky he's a hardball disciple, so
they you know, Andrew played for Jim Harball, Pep worked
under them. So the offense was the same when I
(05:35):
got here that I ran in college. The terminology was
all the same. It was that West Coast offense. So
it made it really easy for me to pick it up, right,
So I was able to move and play you know,
you know tight end. You could play three different spots basically,
so I was able to pick up and know all
three different spots, and and and and Pep used a
lot of tight ends, right, you know, That's what we
did early on. So I just tried to do what
(05:56):
I was asked and do it to the best of
my ability.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, i'll tell you what you you did do that,
and you're one of those things that Colts fan said,
reliable guy.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We know eighty four is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But Jack, get real with me here, Get real because
I know a lot of this and maybe not all
of it, but to play this game, you have to
show up, and you have to show up and you're injured. Yeah,
and Jack Doyle, that's one thing that you did. Like
I'm not saying to say week in a week out,
but if you were a you know, a secretary. I
don't think you would have showed up for work that day,
(06:25):
but no, you said, hey, I'm going to do whatever
it takes. Again on the field, playing with injuries Jack
in your career almost a decade.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
How hard was that on you? And I know it's
part of the job, but really, mentally, that really takes its.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it takes a toll. It does mentally, you know.
And I'll give a shout to my wife, Casey, because
she dealed with She dealt with me at home when
you know I could let you know, you know how
frustrated I was out and all that fun stuff. But
you know it was, you know, dealing with different injuries
throughout your career. It's tough, man, But we're you know,
every player's going through it, right. Everyone's got something right
that either you carried over from college or you know
(06:58):
you got you gotten while you're playing in the NFL.
And it's tough, man. You's got to be mentally tough.
You know, you gotta just show up day in, take
it one day at a time, one practice, one meeting.
I really I didn't always do it right. You know,
we're all human, right, but I really tried to have
that mentality coming in and just take it one thing
at a time. And I feel like that's when I
played my.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Best ball, absolutely, And you were one of those guys
as a leader in that locker room, which you were
not a big raw raw guy. Kind of just follow
do what I do and everything will work out. But
you talked about Andrew Luck, and you talked about your
your relationship with him, and that preseason night comes and
in Chicago and words starts spreading. Andrew Luck's going to
retire from football. You got a locker room there, Who's
(07:38):
going to be quarterback? Jacoby's around stuff like that, just
your mentality, your teammates mentalities, and Jack more importantly, keeping
that locker room kind of just settled down enough because
that was.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
A huge, huge obviously that was obviously that was a
huge deal. And you know, first I was just you know,
being there for Andrew as a friend, right, No, that
was the most important thing to me. And then but yeah,
you know, we had to go play football. The NFL
stops for nobody, right, and that's that's just what it is.
And Jacoby's my guy as well. You know, I'm close
with both those are two of my best friends still today,
(08:09):
right and h So, yeah, it was you know, rally
around Jacoby and in Jacoby. This is a credit to
Jacoby's leadership, right and what he brought to the table.
You know, people believed in Jacoby and Jacoby did a
great job and we had a great run there to
start that nineteen season and he kind of got banged
up and it kind of fell apart there at the end.
But but yeah, I think it's more of a credit
(08:30):
to the locker room that we were able to kind
of have a little bit of run, you know, fell
short in the end. But uh, but yeah, that was
obviously a tough time.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Tough time for you to play for a lot of
quarterbacks shack over those those nine years.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm talking about lucks back is in there.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Let's go over Jacoby, Carson Webb, Philip Rivers who I
know you have slationship, you played with the great Well,
the final game that you played was the same one
that that he had had as well as far as
the NFL career.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Goes, well, we had you know, it was it was
definitely there was definitely you know, challenges to it, right.
But then as I'm done and looking back. I mean,
what a great opportunity it was to play with all
these different types of guys, get to know all these
different type of guys and how they stall the game.
They're all different in their own way, right. Philip was
more like, you know, yeah, just get over there and
get open, you know. And then maybe Andrew is more.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Like, wait, wait wait wait wait stop, So I love this, Yes,
go over there, get open.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
If it's a twelve yard out, you could run a
ten yard out or fifteen, it didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Matter if you're if it was going to be open
early see it. And you know he's more he played
with his instincts, right, and and he had a great
way of delivering that message to you, phil I love Philip.
And Andrew maybe more so, was like I need you
on that fourth inside step and then roll it in there, right.
But he still had Andrew play with great instincts too,
Like I don't think people, you know, people see him
(09:47):
as a smart guy, but his instincts were and everything
it was incredible. I can't I can't. You know, everyone
knows that I can't say that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Similar command, similar command of the offense between Rivers and
love the way that.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
They just a different way of communicating, but it was
the same expectations. Right, when you play with great players
like that, they make your job easier as a pass catcher, right,
That's the first thing you noticed as for a great quarterback,
and just a different way of delivering, which makes it
fun to be able to work with different guys I think,
and getting to know them both. But yeah, they every
court j Carson, they all had different ways of communicating
(10:21):
and getting things across and how they wanted things. So
it was a fun challenge. It was challenging at times,
maybe frustrated times trying to get on the same page
because you're used to one guy then moving to another,
But it's also a fun challenge when you look back
on it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Challenges galore over your course of your career.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Injuries aside, but coaching changes Pagano to Frank Reich and
stuff like that. Again, trying to keep that locker room
just in good. You had to do a lot of
balancing acts throughout your career here Indianapolis because there were
a lot of you know, moves that went around with
the front office, with the head coach, with the general manager.
You settled in after Ryan Grigson with Chris Ballard, just
give me your thoughts on the Colts GM, what he
(10:57):
meant to you. And obviously you're a guy that came
into him after you were one of his guys.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
He said, moo, my gosh, what a gift this is.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, Chris is I love Chris and and he's he first,
you know, Chris on a personal level, he he cares
about the person, right, I think that's something that's rare
to find, and and and and while doing that also
doing a great job at his job. And he's meant
so much to me and my family and all that
he's done for us, you know, behind the scenes that
(11:24):
people don't know about. But yeah, he's just he's just
my guy. He's my friend now, you know, he's he's
no longer my boss. I don't I don't have to
worry about that. So he's just my buddy now. Chuck. Yeah, Chucks,
Chuck's the man.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I still see him at the gal every year. Yeah,
So you know, so Chuck's Chuck's great and and talked
to Frank you know, just a little bit ago when
he took the job over there in Stanford with Andrew.
So it's uh, it's fun to have those connections and
and the football circle is so small, right, you know,
you get in it and you get meet these coaches,
and it just everyone knows everybody, and it's fun to
have those connections carry on past football.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Jack, You've got young kids at home, you and your wife.
Is football is something that will be a part of
your future?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Whatever that is. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
They're scouting, there's coaching, there's announcing everything, and yeah, is
it something you want to keep it in your life?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah? I think so. You know, it's funny. I tell
people this a lot. It's like, I feel like playing
in the NFL, you basically get a PhD in football, Right,
I have all this knowledge in here and then now
I'm not using it, is what it feels like. Sometimes
my eight year old can only take so much of me,
you know, rewinding a play on TV and see how
Mod did this right, Like this is great. People don't
(12:30):
see this, but he set up Jonathan on this run.
You know I do that stuff, and he's just like, Dad,
I want to watch Jonathan run, right. So yeah, it's
fun to have all this knowledge and want to get out.
But yeah, well I'm doing the flag football with the boys,
and we'll do it with my daughter when she gets
old enough. And so yeah, football, football is the best, man.
I love it. It's the greatest support there is and
(12:51):
it's a ton of fun. So in some way, shape
or form, I'll always be involved with it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Thousands of fans cheering you on on Sundays, a lot
of money in the bank.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's just it is the NFL. You why say goodbye?
When you said goodbye in twenty one?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Was there did you think, hey, I could probably do
this another year, catch you know, catch another season long check,
which is a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
How hard was that for you and your wife?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, it was really hard. But really it comes back
to what kind of what we talked about the beginning.
I didn't feel like physically I could be the teammate
I needed to be, And that's honestly what it was.
Really That last year was really hard. I mean just
I felt it every day getting in the car in
the morning, you know, you know, building I remember bending
my head down to get in the truck, and it's
just like, man, I don't know that on Wednesdays, you know,
(13:34):
and I gotta go practice to that. You know. It
was stuff like that that. It was like, Okay, I can't.
I can't be the guy I've always said I'm gonna
be and come out here and give them, you know,
half of me, right, or give me a part, give
give my teammates a part of me. I needed to
be all in full, and that's how you have to
be in the NFL. I'm not going to go there
and try and collect a check or anything like that.
So it was very tough. I missed it like crazy.
(13:56):
I missed my teammates, missed the coaches because it's it's
the best. It's the best support there is. It's the
best thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Did you play with the mentality, especially right in the middle.
Let's say, you know, seventeen eighteen nineteen, you're at the
top of your game and stuff like that, but still
play with one of these young kids is out here
to take my job.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Did you have that mentality coming from where you did that? Yeah,
drafted for you.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You have to. You have to. You know, you don't
say it outly, but we're all competitive for your own yeah, right,
And I would always give that to a teammate. I
always absolutely, I mean, I've mo Aley Cox was my
little project there early on, you know, but no, it's
you have to have that competitive drive or you won't
make it. Man, you can, you know, I can smile
(14:36):
for the camera and say the right thing. But it's
in there. Don't don't let it. Don't let it fool
you that the competitive drive is always always in there,
and uh you have to you know, that's what it was.
Robert mathis im said it, you know, my rookie year
m or him kind of yelling. He said, they're always
trying to take your locker. Yeah, you know they're always
there's everyone come there trying to take your locker. Don't
let them take your locker. And you got to have
that right. It's got to be in there somewhere. Some
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guys expressed it outly, some guys, you know, keep it inside.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But safe to say that one regret would be obviously
the ring that everybody's playing for.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But you gave everything to this game.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, I mean there was nothing left in your tank
as far as and I think he's proven that when
you guys watch your career, I mean that that's a
that's a true thing.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah. I think I got the most out of the
abilities God gave me. Yeah, Yeah, that was the goal
going in. But yeah, I had no regrets, which you know,
I wish we could have got the big one, right
especially you know, it means even more, you know, being
from here and sure, and I mean I was downtown
in six you know, when when they want it and
and so yeah, that's the regret. You know, Is that
(15:36):
a regret? I don't know, that's just you know, it
didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You had a great career, and Cooth fans I speak
for all of them because they see at the market
or they see four sixty five or at the Indy
five hundred, they're all coming up to you. Everybody knows
who Jack Doyle is, so much respect for you in
your career, and I just kind of wanted to bounce
over it because we don't talk about it as much.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You and the Joe Rights of the world.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
One town kids playing football in the street thinking you know,
they're they're Jim Harbaugh petnanny and stuff like that, and
then you go putting on the horseshoe on your helmet.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I don't get I mean, we used to I
used to run. We used to always run the comeback,
ye like Reggie Wayne, And we'd always try and do
the late hands right, and then I gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Be late hands, will get hitting the Oh yeah, we
got hit.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
We would hit each other. We throw it so hard
to each other and try and you know, hit each
other in the face doing the late hands. And then
I gotta be teammates with Reggie one. I mean that's
if I say anything, Jack, that's I mean, that was
the coolest thing I ever got to do.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, but again, like I said, you got you have
to fit in that locker room, right, that's tough. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I just gotta show up and work man and try
and earn his respect. And that's all I tried to do.
But yeah, I mean, how cool for a hometown kid. Absolutely,
some I would never you know, never thought about or
thought about, but wouldn't say when I was playing. But
now that I'm done, I mean, what dependable.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's that's what the word on you as has been dependable.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh And hopefully hopefully the Colts have another dependable tight absolutely,
And I'm talking about if you could just just glance
on Tyler Warren, what the Colts fans are getting in
this in this tight end out of Penn State. And
obviously you've watched this guy. Yeah, incredible last year at
Penn Stick.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I mean he's just a studch I mean in
all around tight end, right, and obviously I'm I'm biased
to the tight end position. But the willingness to block
his body, control his balance, his run after catch, you know,
the the dragon guys four or five yards just you know,
getting ten yards after a seven yard you know that
saves your team from getting another first down. Right, It's
(17:34):
it's huge and something you don't notice maybe when you're
just casual fan watching, but be able to not make
your team have to convert more first downs. That's good, right,
we want to we want to get yards. So so yeah,
I think he's and a tight end just helps a
quarterback getting rhythm. It builds confidence. They're so usually easier throws, yep,
get them the ball early, make some rhythm, rhythm throws.
(17:54):
I think it's gonna be a good thing for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Jack, you know about quarterback controversies, this guy coming in,
this guy going out.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You've seen it through your career.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Colts are looking at another similar competition this year between
Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I competition's great. I mean, like I said,
I think guys express you know, I kind of spoke
about earlier, but you express your competition in a different ways.
Some guys are, you know, keep it inside, some guys
let it come out. But but you've got to be competitive.
You got to be You're we're all competing every day,
whether they're in this billing or not. There's, however, many
scouts that are trying to replace you every day. That
(18:26):
is literally their job. So don't let them right. It
doesn't matter if they're here or not. So you just
got to focus on your lane. And that's what each
of those guys will do, I'm sure. And uh and yeah,
he's got to be a good teammate to those guys.
And and whoever you know it is, that's who it is,
and we roll and we we be a team. Jack.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I appreciate you taking the time just to let us
catch up a little bit what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
If you didn't make this.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Jump to the NFL way back, and I'm talking years ago,
what would Jack Boyle be doing right now?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You know, the plan was to always be a high
school coach or a college coach, but yeah, maybe one day.
Right now, it's having too much fun with the kids
and can't take that much time. So so yeah, I'm
just living the dream right now.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Hey, you're around the local market, the Indy five hundred,
it doesn't matter. Jack Doyle's around, stop and say hey,
and stop and say thank you for what this man
meant to the horseshoe in the Indianapolis colts. I appreciate
you gutching up with us always and really enjoyed watching
your career because you're one of those guys like we
talked about the lunch pail, that boyd dependable.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Jack Doyle's there. We got a shot today.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Hey, thanks for watching high volume to our audio listeners
as well as our YouTube viewers. Appreciate you guys. Also, uh,
we do it week in and week out, and I'm
just bringing Jack Doyle on to say a final goodbye
because that's what I want to bring you guys.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's what we want to bring you guys, is these
these greats that have the blood, sweat and tears for
this organization and go over the story. So Jack, again,
I appreciate you taking the times and thank you for watching.
We're going to talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
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Introducing… Aubrey O’Day Diddy’s former protege, television personality, platinum selling music artist, Danity Kane alum Aubrey O’Day joins veteran journalists Amy Robach and TJ Holmes to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation. Join them throughout the trial as they discuss, debate, and dissect every detail, every aspect of the proceedings. Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise, as only she is qualified to do given her first-hand knowledge. From her days on Making the Band, as she emerged as the breakout star, the truth of the situation would be the opposite of the glitz and glamour. Listen throughout every minute of the trial, for this exclusive coverage. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, an iHeartRadio podcast.
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