Official Podcast: Robert Mays on Lou Anarumo, Colts' biggest offseason need in 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello again everyone, and welcome to the Official Colts Podcast.
Jeffrey Gorman, j miss learra Ulberton. Huge week in the NFL.
This is kind of the whole mushroom, the culmination, if
you will, the culmination. And by the way, I hope
you guys are satiated after this podcast. Did I use
it right? Did I use it right?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Incorporating like a word of the week, like you know
that we drop into the pot. It's like, you know when.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I covered the White Sox Chris Sale back when he
was on the White Sox, he had a word of
the day that he had to use in every postgame
press conference after he started, and it was always some
like big word that one of their video guys gave him.
And you could see like the gears turning in his
head of like I gotta get this work in. I
gotta get this word in. I'd have to go back
and find him, but we could.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And then he just then he just go mow down
eleven K's Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
What are great players And you know he didn't do
it after cut up the jerseys, but yeah, satiated, Thank
you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
You're welcome. Also, we were hanging out on Monday, and
we were watching TV. I scrolling through, pulled up the
guide and it said like super Bowl opening nights. Yeah, okay,
and my husband is like, this has become like the Olympics,
Like it's like the opening ceremonies right of now it's
not just like used to kind of just be like
there was Super Bowl Media Day and then the game.

(01:25):
Now it's like there's something every single day that you
have seven days straight of kind of wall to wall
coverage of the whole thing. So it's incredible, like the
magnitude of it all, Like Scott Hansen was up there
with all the guys.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, think about it too. Then, so the super Bowl
is gonna end on Sunday, and then you'll get this
sort of maybe slight little dip you'll get through parade
coverage and then oh, here comes the NFL combine. Yeah
in like two weeks, right, I mean we're we're gonna
be sitting down in the Indiana Convention Center in like
what three weeks from today talking with can't wait. That's great, schmoozing,
rubbing elbows with everyone who's walking by our table. I

(01:59):
mean that's in three weeks. That is interesting that's like
the official start of the offseason in terms of the
news cycle is the combine and three weeks and.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Is right down the street, which is great, by the way.
I love that. Hey, I'm excited about this one because
we talked about the Super Bowl and Super Bowl Week.
You know all the media's you know, a lot of
teams send Cruz there and stuff like that. Robert Mays
from the Athletic, one of the best in the business.
He's down there at New Orleans. He's on Radio Row,
but he's also on this show. JJ had a chance
to catch up with Robert Mays recently from the Athletic.

(02:30):
I want to go over that real quick. I love
the national perspective of this team because the question marks
that happened with the quarterback. Then you've got a guy
like Jonathan Taylor and how special he is, and then
the defense and our Gus Bradley's gone and lou Anarumo.
Just give me a quick thing, what was the thing
that you were most interested in asking about this football
team with Roberts.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
So the reason why I want to have rob on
is to talk about lou Anarumo. He's, like I told
him at the start of it. He's one of the
foremost lou Anarumo guys in the national football media sphere.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
But why does he love him? Does he say why
he loves him or.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
It's yeah, we'll get into that. It's what he does,
mixing up coverages and disguising things. But the question that
I asked him that I thought was a got a
really interesting answer was I was like, Okay, you get
to add one player to this team, what position is
it going to be at? And he kind of thought
about it for a little bit. You'll see in the
interview or you'll hear in the interview, and I thought

(03:23):
he gave a very interesting answer for that.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's gonna be fun. All right. Here it comes host
of the Athletic Football Show, Robert May's also a writer
at The Athletic had a chance tim to sit with
JJ recently enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
It is my pleasure to welcome back to the official
Colts podcast, My North Star when it comes to understanding football.
Robert May is the host of The Athletic Football Show,
which you can listen to wherever you get your podcast.
You can also watch it on YouTube. Check it out
after you're done watching this episode or listening to this episode.
The stuff Robert and Derek Klassen do is really really

(03:56):
good stuff, really in depth. I always learn a lot
listening to every episode, So Rob thinks for taking the time, man,
I'm happy to do it. And as one of the
foremost lou Anarumo guys in the football media sphere, what
was your general reaction when you saw him get scooped

(04:16):
up by the Colts. I mean it was only two
weeks after he got let go by Cincinnati. It seemed
like a pretty quick process. What do you think about
the fit with the Colts and what he can bring
to this defense under Shane Steichen.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Not surprised to see it happen that fast.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
I think everything about the process from him getting let
go and Cincinnati to him getting scooped up quickly makes
sense because obviously the Bengals had to do something after
the way that their season went. They had one of
the worst defenses in the league last year and it
has been a two year problem for them. I think
you could make an argument that that's more talent based
than it is coordinator based. This is a team that

(04:53):
had a plan for how it was going to build.
As they started paying their offensive pieces and that plan
involved getting cheaper on defense, getting younger on defense, and
taking a lot of swings in the draft. A lot
of those swings were missus and so they were not
left with much to work with on that side of
the ball. And I think that you saw the deficiencies
especially up front for them this year, and low was.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
In a tough situation. You know, it's difficult to.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Win with out a lot of high end pieces, and
so I'm not surprised that they moved on. But I'm
also not surprised that another team said, we think that
with our guys, he can do a pretty dark and
good job. From a schematic perspective, it's just going to
be more dynamic than it's been in Indianapolis, and that's
not really hard to say.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
You know, the Colts for the most part, were one
of the most.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
Static defenses in the league for the last several years
under Goss Bradley.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
The coverage menu started to change a.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Little bit over the last couple of years, where it's
not as much Cover three as it was in previous seasons.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
You've got some more too high looks, etc.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
But when you look at other elements of the defense,
two things that I would point to one, just blitz
right over all, They're not a team that blitzed very much.
That's just not how Gus Bradley wanted to live. And
the second thing is if you look at the percentage
of snaps where a defensive lineman dropped off the line
of scrimmage or someone from the line of scrimmage dropped
into coverage, I believe the Colts were dead last in

(06:16):
the NFL, So that's going to change. You're going to
see mugged up linebackers dropping, You're going to see a
defensive end dropping every once in a while. You're going
to see more man coverage, You're going to see more blitzing.
It's just going to drop eight. For example, the Bengals
have been one of the highest percentages in the NFL
over the last few years in the amount of snaps
where they'll drop eight guys into coverage and only rush three.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
You don't want to live that way, but as a
change up, it's nice to have.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I believe the Colts were near the bottom of the
NFL and the percentage of the snaps where they would
do that, So just small little vacillations in what sort
of defense you were going to be seeing down to
down game to game.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I want to go back to the Bengals defense last
year and kind of just like what you saw from them,
and you mentioned the sort of talent efficiency is like,
I know that they missed on some high profile picks,
you know, the defensive data Clemson maybe didn't make a
huge impact. You had Dax Hill struggling to make an
impact there. But when you kind of look at that
defense holistically, how much did those talent efficiencies impact what

(07:17):
Lou a Roumo is able to do in terms of
maybe that coverage menu, disguising things being a little more
multiple in the schemes he played, or was it an
issue of or could there be something too, maybe lou
Aroumo not getting those guys to work together. Like where
do you sort of land on that? Because I've been
getting that question a lot from our listeners and from

(07:40):
you know, people who ask who are asking me about
Lou and I sort of default to the same thing
you just said, Robert of like, yeah, they didn't have
a whole lot of players there, but how did that
just sort of wind up playing out to the Bengals
defense being where they were last year?

Speaker 5 (07:53):
I think it's really hard to feel the competent NFL
defense when you have no talent up front. And when
you start there, I just think everything else starts to
fall apart. You cannot defend the run.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
If you just.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Can't do it, it's harder to do everything else. And
if you look at the defensive line there specifically, you know,
obviously they have Trey Hendrickson, He's one of the best
edge rushers in the NFL. Other than that, it was
in the conversation for the worst front four in the
in the entire league. They spent big money on Sheldon Rankins.
He didn't play very much. He wasn't very effective when
he did play. Sam Hubbard is somebody that they were

(08:29):
spending ten million dollars a year on. He was, on
a rate basis, one of the least effective edge rushers
in the entire NFL. Bja Hill was somebody who's a
solid player for them. He was also hurt for a
chunk of the season. The pass rush outside of Henderson
was non existent and the run defense was actively very bad.
You know, the guys that they had kind of made
smaller bets on at linebacker, Logan Wilson, Jermaine Pratt, You

(08:51):
guys that at the time seemed like they were worth paying.
Those guys really took a significant step backward. So I
just think when that's the starting point, when your front
set and is such a glaring concern, it's really hard
to do anything else because it all revolves around your
ability to stop the run with the right number of bodies.
And as I projected forward to Indianapolis, the Colts don't

(09:12):
have the best front in the NFL, but they've got
guys right, like the Forest Buckner is a level and
a half better than anybody that the Bengals had on
the interior last year. And the other thing about the
Colts is they have depth. You know, even if there's
outside of Buckner we're talking about like you know, b's
and b pluses and maybe a lot two gets there

(09:33):
where he's like a real impact player over the next
couple of years, you've still got a lot of players
at that level. You've got depth, You've got a lot
of guys that you can use in those situations. And
so having that be the starting point where you've got
that upfront compared to what they were working with in
Cincinnati last year, I think that's a significant difference that
hopefully will be the baseline of different results.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
So it's less about the stuff that was going on
in the back end maybe, and more about if you
can't stop the run and you're constantly in second in three,
third and one, then that also probably makes it harder
to stop the pass in those situations when the whole
playbook is open to every offense your face.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
I think that's true, and I think that their struggles,
I think over the last couple of years were It
was funny because in twenty twenty three it was different
than it was in twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty three,
different than it was this year. In twenty twenty three, yeah,
the safety play was abhorrent, like it was just so bad,

(10:33):
and they put Dak Hill in there, and they had
other young guys that they had put in there. And
when they removed Jesse Bates and Bond Bell from the equation,
everything started to change on the back end.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
This year. I felt like having.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Von Bell and then Jordan Battle, who was a third
round pick two years ago, slidded in there as well,
and then they had Gino Stone. I felt like the
things in the back end were not nearly as concerning
as what was happening up front for them. So when
you can just have a better baseline starting point with
the guys that you have on the defensive line and
even at linebacker, I just feel like that is a

(11:04):
path to some different results.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
So something I talked about with Lou when I had
him on the podcast last week was just kind of
having that one call in your back pocket for the
biggest situation in a game. And I think we saw
that with Spags, right Steve Spagnolo in Kansas City, where
those calls he dialed up, and the way that he
manipulated the Bills front and their protection to get that

(11:29):
pressure on Josh Allen to basically send the Bengals to
this or the Chiefs excuse me, to the Super Bowl.
Kind of felt like that he had that thing in
his back pocket. Just generally speaking, though, with Lou, how
does he kind of fit the way defenses are going
in the NFL in terms of how he schemes things up,
how he disguises things, and how he keeps things maybe

(11:51):
a little bit more multiple than the Cults have had
in the past.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
I think multiple is a great way to put it.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Dynamic is the word that I would use, and I
think that the comparison to Spagnola is an apt one
because we've seen what Luken do in the playoffs, right, Like,
when you have these defensive coordinators that are very good
at creating these one game game plans where all, right,
this is the very good offense that we're playing against.
Do we have two, three, four curve balls that we

(12:18):
feel like we can throw at them to create a
couple explosives on our end and maybe shift the complexion
of the game. And the best example of that is
what they did in that AFC Championship game against the
Bank against the Chiefs in twenty twenty one. You know,
you have a game plan where you are dropping eight
a bunch, you are getting hands into passing lanes, you
create a couple turnovers, and you kind of coax Patrick

(12:42):
Mahomes into the worst playoff half and by some measures,
the worst half of football he had ever played in
the NFL.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
And that's enough.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Sometimes, you know, when you're playing against these sorts of
teams in the back half of the season, in the
most important games of the year, you're very likely not
going to shut them down for four quarters. Even a
team like the Ravens last year, who had a historically
good defense. The Chiefs eventually found their footing over the
course of that game. But if you can get two
three splash moments based on some fun wrinkles that you've

(13:12):
included in your game plan, that can be enough in
these situations. And I think that Steve Spagnoll was another
very good example of that. And having a game plan
centric defensive coordinator when you get to the postseason is
a real weapon if you've got the right guy.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I want to talk about simulated pressures here because Lou
had a really good answer when I asked him about
just the goal of it, obviously besides getting a sack,
getting an interception, whatever it might be, and just about
kind of you got to make these great quarterbacks like
a Josh Allen, like a Patrick Mahomes now, like I mean,
like a Joe Burrow who he went up against in
practice every day. You got to make them think for
a split second. You got to change the picture on them.

(13:50):
So I think maybe Colts fans aren't used to defensive
lineman dropping a whole lot, and happened a couple times
last year, where you know you got Quitty Pay dropping
a little bit. You had Latu dropping a little bit,
but it's not something that, like you mentioned, Robert is
kind of baked into the Gus Bradley defense. When I
looked it up, he ran a simulated pressure. I think
it was Week seven against Miami. That was the first

(14:11):
when he ran since Week eight of the twenty two season,
so it had been almost two full calendar years the
unicorn and that's fine, that's yeah, but that's kind of
how Gus wanted to play and that you know, that's
that was his philosophy with those like when when our
listeners and our viewers see Layoutu Latu drop into coverage

(14:33):
for the first time instead of getting after the pass
around third and seven, how would you describe the goal
of that and why that's kind of become a sort
of a trend that you've seen around the NFL with
multiple defenses over the last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I think the quarterback make making, the quarterback think is
absolutely part of it, right. You want to make sure that,
especially with a guy like Mahomes, with the decision making
is so quick, can you make him hold out of
all for an extra half beat and let those other
guys get home.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
That's one hundred percent part of it.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I also think that if you look at the best
defenses in the NFL, they are very intentional and thoughtful
about how they're attacking protection plans specifically, So, how can
I if I've got a cover zero, look right where
I've got everybody on the line of scrimmage. So I've
got seven guys in the line of scrimmage, I got
four guys back. It might have been a line ten

(15:26):
yards in the defensive backfield.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
How can I make it.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
So I can drop out two or even three of
those guys from the seven only rush four or five.
But the offense has no idea which four or five
I'm bringing. And as part of that equation, can you
get one or two of those offensive linemen to block No?

Speaker 4 (15:46):
One?

Speaker 5 (15:47):
That's the goal? How many guys can I waste? As
part of this equation, because I have an understanding of
what their rules are. If I'm lined up in a
certain way, I know where the back is going to go,
I know where the center is going to slide. It's
just a way to make the game easier on your
players and harder on their players. And if you're not
pushing those buttons, you're making the game consistently more difficult

(16:10):
on your guys. If you're gonna line up in a
foreman front and bring the same four guys from the
same four angles every single time, you're just making it
too easy on modern offenses. And so I think that's
where some of the validity of the simulated pressure stuff
comes in.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
That was something that I thought was really interesting about
the Foreman front is that constantly four and this even
went back to Matt Eberflus, where you know, it was
a lot of we're going to rush for and play
seven behind it, which I think works if you've got
really really good players. Yeah, and I think for some
moments thereah, the Colts did have those really good players.
But I heard so much about like we got to

(16:47):
get to Forrest Buckner in more one on one situations
because he just he wasn't able to. It's almost kind
of like a pitcher setting up his you know, like
a high fastball, where you got to be able to
throw the curveball before you can hit the heater, and
he didn't maybe get enough of those opportunities. Those simulated
pressure looks, too, do seem like they can get a
guy like Toforst Buckner in those one on one situations

(17:09):
where he can win more. And I mean, like you mentioned,
he's a really good player. Is that another goal of
it too, where even if okay, maybe you have everyone
blocking everyone, but we don't know our bucks coming from
and all of a sudden, now your best pass rusher
is set up to win more than maybe if just
your rushing four kind of like you mentioned, from the
same angles.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Even if it's you don't end up rushing a linebacker
or using a simulated pressure even like front structures on
defined passing down. So go watch a Texans game and
go watch what they're doing on third and eight. A
lot of the time you'll be in a situation where
we've got three guys on one side, we've got a
linebacker mugged up in the A gap to the other

(17:49):
side with one defensive end, so you've overloaded the left side. Well,
now it's a math equation, right for the most part,
you're gonna have to send somebody to account for the linebacker.
So if that's the center to that side, because he's
lined up in the A gap, now you have three
to one on ones on the other side. Even if
that linebacker ends up dropping out. So some of it
is simulated pressures, others is just the way you're lining

(18:12):
guys up.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
It's like what your structures look like before the play.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
So I just think trying to make sure you're doing
everything you can to manipulate the plan of the offense
in those defined passing situations to put your guys in
the right spots. That's a win when you have really
good players, and I think that's the task of any
good defensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I know you're knee deep in Super Bowl prep and
you know we're taking this a couple of days after
the AFC Championship and the NFC Championships, so still kind
of digesting those all the coaching news that has come
out over the last couple of weeks. But if I
had to, if you just thought about the Colts, the
twenty twenty four Colts, and you kind of post more
to them, what would be maybe the one big thing

(18:53):
you think they need to add in twenty twenty five
to this roster. Whether that's through a free agency, through
a trade, or through a draft pick.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Man, that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
I still would just like to see this team with
like maybe a high end corner. You know, just in
the way that they just I think that, you know,
to Chris's credit, two years ago, I was concerned about
a lack of moving along the offensive line. Before the season,
I was like, man, they just didn't add anybody. Huh,
they're just rolling with the same group that we had
in twenty twenty two. And they were right, you know,

(19:27):
like they believed in Will Fries and the Bernard Raymond.
Obviously it was a rookie he came on in the
back half of that rookie year. I understood rolling with that,
but the fact that on the interior they were like, ah,
we're good, Like, you know, we don't really need to
worry about this. After the way that Fries had played
in twenty twenty two, I was like, okay, Like, it's
just I can't believe they're.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Not going to do anything.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
And now I think that, you know, obviously he's coming
off of an injury, but I think Will Fries would
be a prize for somebody in free agency based on
the way that he's played over the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
So when you've had.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
That level of success, when you've stayed the course, I
think it can be tempting to say we're going to
see what sort of growth we have from our in
house players, and that just didn't happen in the defensive
backfield this year, and so I think showing a little
bit more urgency there would probably be the first place
that I would go.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
On offense.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
I don't really know what my answer would be, like,
I like the pieces that they have on offense. I
like the receivers, I like the offensive line. I think that,
you know, we'll see what happens with Braden Smith. Obviously
he's getting a little bit expensive, and I wouldn't be
shocked if they tried to save a little bit of
money somewhere along the way, because they have drafted a
bunch of potential succession plans there, Like you have BORDERLINI

(20:34):
now potentially at center. You know, you have Goncalves now, Yes, whatever,
however you pronounce that, I just see it.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I just see it on a depth chart.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
So you can't. You can't be expected to know how
to pronounce thousands of players' names like that.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
The fact that I even know that that that he's
the backup or swing tackle in the of the future
for the probably.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I deserve much of a sick of that. But I
think that you.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Know that that area, I wouldn't be surprised to see
a couple of changes to save a little bit of
money somewhere along the way.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
But the complexion of the offense itself.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
I actually do appreciate how a lot of the pieces
fit together there. I think that with some baked in
development from Ady Mitchell into next year. You know, he's
he was a wild horse this year, right Like it
wasn't easy to understand where he would be and why.
But the guy really does create separation. And so you
have that combined with Pittman, combined with downs what Pierce

(21:27):
is giving you. I do like the pieces that they
have on that side of the ball. I just think
that we can do this all day. It's about the quarterback.
Like it just we could do this all day. It's
about what you eventually get from the quarterback. And I
think more than any single personnel move they could make
this offseason, that is going to be the question that
hangs over this team for the next two years, five years,

(21:49):
until we figure out exactly what he is.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, that's that is That's as you said, that's the
big one right there to get figured out. And it
doesn't feel like nothing else matter, because there's still a
lot that goes into fielding a good team. But you're right,
that's the most important one to get figured out.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
All right.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
I want to talk about the AFC South before we
let you get out of here. Why the Texans move
on from Bobby Slowick.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
You can't have that few answers in pass protection over
the course of the entire season.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
You just can't do it, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
So is that an issue of a bad offensive line
makes you a bad play caller or it was something deeper.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Than much deeper than that.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
If you look at the amount of unblocked pressures that
that team had over the course of the season, we
talk about manipulating pass protection plans.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think you can make.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
An argument that they were the most easily manipulated pass
protection unit in the entire league for the entire season.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
And this happened over the whole year.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
The game that I think really started like flashing alarm
bells for people. I can't remember which week it was
they played against the Packers on the road, and what
Jeff Hathley did to Bobby Sloweck in that game in
terms of manipulating what they were doing up front, he
ran circles around him, and you would hope, okay, can
that get a little bit better? And as they swapped

(23:09):
out individual pieces on the offensive line, Okay, we're gonna
put Jared Patterson at center instead of Juice Scrugs. We're
going to move Titus Howard to left guard, and we're
gonna put Blake Fisher at right tackle. When they had
what they thought was their best five out there, it
didn't go. It didn't do anything to combat how easily
teams were manipulating them. In the Division round against the Chiefs,

(23:31):
they gave up nine unblocked pressures per Next Gen Stats.
That was like the sixth most into game all year.
So their worst pass protecting game of the season in
terms of having a plan for how teams are going
to attack them, was the last game of the season.
They had the entire year to get this sorted out,
and they just couldn't do it. And So if that's

(23:52):
your problem when you've invested all they have in their
offensive line, at a certain point, that rests with the
offensive coordinator in the offensive why coach, both of whom
are no longer in Houston.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
All right, let's talk about the Jags. I think the
headlines have been about Liam Cohen that this is kind
of a weird process for him to get there. He
sort of left the Buccaneers at the altar, and he says,
du vall weird. You're someone who maybe cares less about
those things and more about the actual impact he could
have in an organization, which is why you're the right
person to ask this question. You mentioned this on your

(24:27):
podcast last week that as soon as it kind of
became clear that Doug Peterson or maybe it was Derek
Lassen mentioned it. As soon as it be kind of
it was clear that Doug Peterson was not going to
work out there and the Buccaneers offense is doing some
really fun things. It was like Liam Cone would be
a great fit there. Why is he a really good
fit for the pieces they have there? And then specifically

(24:48):
Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
I just have always wanted to see an offense for
Trevor Lawrence where he just wasn't asked to do very much,
you know, and that you don't want to minimalize, you know,
want to minimize a quarterback making fifty five million dollars
a year, but it's okay to make the game easier
in your quarterback, like that's an okay place to land.
And I think Baker Mayfield has been really good for
the Bucks over the last couple of years. But if
you look at the structure of that offense, he can

(25:10):
take a lot of plays off. They had one of
the best running games in the NFL. And some of
that is drafting Graham Barton in the first round, and
you know, having an offensive line with some nice pieces,
you get some in house development from your second round
right guard, all of that stuff. But the structure of
that running game was beautiful. Like there's no other there's
no other word that I would use. They went from

(25:31):
the worst running game in the league in twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty three combined to a top five
running game last year. You don't have to have that
sort of transformation from Trevor Lawrence. But if you can
go from a bottom five running game to a top
half of the league running game, and you compare that
with a screen game that in my opinion, was the
most dynamic screen game in the NFL this year for Tampa.

(25:52):
You have play actions that tie to that running game.
You let him be under center doing a little bit
more play action. You just give him some easier and consistently.
I think he's the sort of like quick trigger quarterback
that could really thrive in that world. And I'm very
excited to potentially see him there, especially considering this team
has weapons. You know, if Christian Kirk can get back healthy,

(26:15):
you've got some receiving talent on that team.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
So you want to go out.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
You want to add, whether it's with a highdraft deck
or somewhere in free agency you drop an into your
offensive lineman piece in there with your brand and surri
if money and.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
You feel like the scheme can lift you a little bit.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I think that is suddenly an offense that gets pretty
interesting pretty fast, especially when you consider how much they
struggled over the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
All Right, Robert May is where can people listen to
your stuff? Where can they find your analysis? Obviously a
big week coming up from New Orleans with your coverage
from the Athletic Football Show down there.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Oh, we're going to be in your ears and on
your YouTube channel way too often, so we were going
to be doing shows.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
I think we all four shows next week.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
We have a show where we talked to our individual
athletic beat writers who cover these teams about how they arrived.
At this point, we'll do our main preview show. I'm
going to have a show on Sunday night into Monday
with Diana Russini just scooping up all the scuttle butt
from the Senior Bowl, which we did last year when
was always a fun conversation. So we'll have all of
those in your podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts.
And then every day from the Super Bowl from Radio

(27:22):
Row Live five pm Eastern, we will be doing a
live stream hitting all the stuff we did over the
course of that day, featuring all the athletic talent that
we have down there, and that will be available on
the Athletic Football Show YouTube page. So if you're sitting
there from four to five pm and you're just finishing
up your workday and you want to spend some time
taking in Radio what Row was for us that day,

(27:45):
we would love if you would come hang out with us.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Fantastic. I will be definitely listening to all that. Robert
Mays from the Athletic Football Show, thanks for joining us
here on the Official Cults podcast. I can talk football
all day with you, but I know you've got a
busy week ahead. Thanks for joinning us Man.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Great stuff. Thank you. Robert Mays from the Athletic JJ.
Looks like cornerback was the position, yet he talks about
what do you think agreed?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Okay, So here's what I wanted to get at here,
because I think it's an interesting perspective. You bring in
lou Anarrumo, you get that kind of number one corner.
Cincinnati didn't have the big name number one corner. They
had Shadobi, a woozie they brought in via free agency.
I think it was twenty twenty one. They had him
for three years and they lost him to free agency

(28:28):
to the Titans last year. So I found this. I
was just digging around this morning, trying to just look
at some old stuff, and I want to pull something
that's real old nineteen years ago, in fact, twenty years ago,
because it's twenty twenty five. I got to remind myself
that twenty years ago at the NFL Combine, Colts general
manager Bill Pollian said, quote, recognizable names don't mean anything

(28:51):
to us. We don't play that game. We're interested in
guys that play football. If they're not recognizable, it doesn't
matter as long as they can play. This is a
good reminder going into free agency. I know we all
want the Colts to make the big splash move and
go get really aggressive. That's not how you have to operate.

(29:11):
One of the best free agent signings the Colts have
made recently was Samson ebacom Right got nine and a
half sacks. Was he a big name free agent? No,
not even close. Deniko Autry, was he a big name
free agent? Not even close. Those type of guys can
have a big impact. Shadobe A Woozier, not a big
name free agent, had a huge impact on the Cincinnati
Bengals Von Bell. It's safety, same thing, So you can

(29:35):
make those games now. Granted, the Bengals also signed Trey Hendrickson,
who was a big name for you. But just saying
as we get through this process and when you start
thinking about this offseason, just because the Colts. Look, if
the Colts go out and get a big name who
can play football, great, they get someone who's under the
writer who can play football. That's great. You just may
not get that, you know, do you can't?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I mean Matt Gay similarly, like not necessarily like big
flashy name probably at the time, like it was a
big deal to get him, but not necessarily one that
was probably on a ton of people's radar, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I mean Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know, like you think back into the past here,
and sometimes if you get the big name guy, it
doesn't always work out. But sometimes if you get those
guys who it's like it just kind of incrementally makes
your team better all of a sudden, that has an
outsize impact on what your roster can look.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
We know what free agency is, we know how it works.
Everybody's looking at the board saying, oh my gosh, it's
opening now. This signing, this signing summer leaked out there.
But what JJ is saying with Robert is in agreement,
especially with Bill Pollion bringing that in the Gary Bracketts
of the world. The Robert mathis is of the world
guys that aren't big time players' names, guys that aren't
going to anywhere on day one, day two, day three
of free agency, but a week later or two weeks

(30:42):
later they get signed like that. Those are the guys
that you stack them on top of one another. Then
he got something. Robert May's on this team as a whole.
What did he like about this team. Obviously he loves
lou Anaruma, but there is some you know, there's gonna
be some new faces on this roster. JJ. We're going
to talk about it at nauseum for the next of months.
But outside of cornerback, does he like the personnel and in

(31:03):
their bak because I mean NFL in the forest, I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
If you caught it in there. He said he kind
of likes this wide receiver corps. And I keep hearing
that from people when they talk about the Colts, like nationally,
that they like this wide receiver corps, that it compliments
each other. Well, I think they maybe don't view Michael
Pittman's season last year as an indication of where he's
going in his career. I think everyone knows a guy's
back was pretty messed up all year. Another year of

(31:27):
growth out of Josh Downs. He got a really nice
year on Alec Pierce. Hopefully you get more ont Ady Mitchell.
I kind of liked hearing that that all of a sudden, Hey,
the Colt's got a pretty decent wide receiver corp. I
don't know what you think about that. Lera Oh.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think that there's a ton of opportunity for growth
there and what with this wide receiver corps will benefit
most greatly from is just consistency at the quarterback position
and having more time with Anthony Richards. And you think
about the fact that the spring was obviously so impeded
because Anthony was coming off of surgery, his going into
the off season relatively healthy. Obviously he had a few
things that he was dealing with, but nothing that seemed

(31:58):
to be long term or needing lengthy rehabilitation. That's going
to be advantageous because you look at what this group
has worked with the last two years. You start with
Anthony Richards and then you have Gardner Minshew, you start
back with Anthony, he gets hurt that it's Joe, and
then you have some of that rotation over the course
of the season. So I think it's impressive that a
lot of the elements of that wide receiver or group

(32:19):
have had the type of production that they have had
with so much inconsistency under center. And that's where I
think that there is a lot of reason for optimism
with this group of wide receivers, just knowing Anthony, seeing
the opportunities with Anthony, having him healthy and being able
to build off of what were some really positive indications,
especially you know, the downfield threat of Alec Pierce. You

(32:42):
know what you know you're going to get in the
physicality of Michael Pittman, the versatility with Josh Downs. I
agree they do all well complement each other. Now it's
about okay, we've seen flashes of it, like now, I
don't want to see, you know, lightning, like I want
to see it all the time. You want to see
you want to see consistent bolts of that type of production,
and you want to see it in terms of, you know,

(33:04):
being the downfield passing game, being that type of deep threat,
but then also that intermediate range two which is where
Josh Downs is obviously so so strong and you know,
such a powerful weapon.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I think if we're thinking about like what I saw
during the playoffs, and I know we're going to talk
about the super Bowl here in a little bit and
the teams that are playing in them, but you did
see some teams, the Buffalo Bills being one of them,
that went on a bit of a run without that
kind of number one wide receiver, that guy who were
like that dude's getting the ball. They had him, they
traded him away to the Texans instead of Yeah, so

(33:38):
you can build a receiver room that you don't maybe
need to have your Jamar Chases, You're justin Jefferson's in
that room. The guys who can do it all, who
can win on all three of those levels and are
such gravitational forces that they change the way you got
to play defense. But you got to have the quarterback
to do it. And I think that's what I just
keep coming back to with this Colts team and those

(33:59):
wide receivers, is you hope that the combination of this
offseason of Anthony Richardson, like you mentioned, Lara being healthier
and being able to participate in everything without needing to rehab,
hopefully without needing to worry about his shoulder or anything,
and then the likely addition of some competition there being
something that maybe rises everyone's level and gets them to

(34:20):
the point where those talents of Josh Towns, of Alec
Pearson and Michael Pittman Junior, and then you know, also
hopefully Adie Mitchell can all work in concert a little
bit better than they did last year.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I like what you're saying, is Shaki the number one
option for Josh Allen. I guess that that was and
the two tight ends. I mean like, yeah, Cooper didn't
really do much for him, not.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Much, but didn't get a whole lot out of Coleman's.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
A good point. Yeah, good point. Hey, the quarterback makes
everything go around. It's kind of what it is.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I mean. The thing is, it's also easy to say
if you got Josh Allen, Yeah, I mean, this is
kind of what the Chiefs have done right where you
trade away Tyreek Hill this year they lost her she
Rice early in the season, and it's like, okay, who's
their number one guy?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So when you have Travis Kelcey and also like you
can't you can suffer some losses from the wide receivers.
That's that's a little bit. He re kind of calibrates
the conversation.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I agree, right, it's the gravitational force in there. But also,
if you got Mahomes, you got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
you know you can you can get by without a
number one wide receiver, no question.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well, good great segue, by the way, going in there
talking some Chiefs and Eagles. Right now, let's shift it.
NFL Honors are coming out on Thursday night of this week.
We're going to have our own little NFL honor segment
here coming up in a minute, but I wanted to
talk about the Super Bowl. Think about your winners there
for a minute and who's going to win and why.
But JJ, let's start off with comparing coaching staffs of

(35:44):
the Casey Chiefs led by Andy Reid, the Philadelphia Eagles
with Nick Siriani, And I want you to have some
fun with this, like what are those guys doing well?
Because we've got an old time old timer and Andy
Reid who's waltzing into the Hall of Fame, and now
Nick Sirian in like four years that two super Bowl visits.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think those are That's a really good question. You
look at what the the and you Reid staff has.
They have continuity, just constantly. They've got an offensive coordinator
in Matt Naggie who's got light interest from teams. I
think he had an interview with the Jets this year,
but Matt Naggie's probably gonna be an OC for a
while there. On defense, you probably have the best defensive

(36:24):
coordinator in the NFL and Steve Spagnolo.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Still trying to figure out how he's not getting a
head job.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
That's a great question. But for whatever reason he's not.
I mean there's ten years ago he's at the Rams
and you know that was a tough place to win
before Sean McVay showed up and they moved to LA.
But their staff is gonna be They're gonna have a
lot of continuity. They're they're not even getting picked over,
like Mike Kaffka, I think was the last guy to
leave for a promotion, I think when he went to

(36:50):
be their quarterback coach to the Giants o CE. So
they just got all this continuity there. And they've got
guys who are like great in their roles but maybe
aren't great in elevated roles potentially, which I think leads
to you can have a program that's set from the
top down by like you mentioned a guy and Andy Reid,
who might go down is the best coach of all
time right when it's all said and done, like that
gap between Belichick and Andy Reid and you know Belichick

(37:12):
and shoot up here and Andy Reid. He's closing that quick. Yeah,
So you've got that continuity on that staff. What Nick
Sirianni has had to do is he had to deal
with what a lot of coaches of successful teams deal
with Lara, which is losing his two coordinators after a
run and losing him early on three years in. There

(37:32):
goes Shane stike in to the Colts, There goes Jonathan
Gannon to the Cardinals. How do you replace them? Last
year that was a struggle to replace those guys with
I think it was Sean Decie was their DC and
Brian Johnson was their OC. So then they kind of
they fall apart at the end of the year and
then all of a sudden, Okay, we got to go
out and get the top guys to be in those roles.

(37:56):
He gets Kellen Moore, he gets Vic Fangio. They're back
in the Super So that is what I think is
what most teams are gonna have to deal with. Most
teams that have success are going to have their staffs
picked over. And if the Colts were to get there,
all of a sudden, guess what, Shane steichenstaff is going
to get picked over. But if you can have the

(38:18):
ability to replace those guys, maybe with fresh ideas, Like
I think what the Eagles did last year was they
kept continuity where they elevated Desigh. I think Desai was
maybe on that staff. Andybe wasn't, but they elevated Brian Johnson,
and then they kind of struggled to replicate what they
had under Shane bringing. Sometimes bringing in the outside influences

(38:39):
I think is good. I think we just did that
here with Lulanarumo, where you kind of bring in that
different voice, that different philosophy here. Sometimes that can have
an impact on a team almost as much as just
the overall scheme and the coaching acumen the guy brings.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Are you surprised? I want to ask you about that
because you knew Sarahanni and you knew him well when
he was here. Yeah, you know what I mean. And
like he didn't get up out in front of the
cameras all that much. Sure he did, he was there
for the coordinators and stuff. I guess my question you is,
I've only been waiting about three and a half four
years asked to say, is are you surprised that the
success of Nick Sirianni in such a short period of time.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I'm I'm not, Like. I just think about a guy who,
like you, looked at the dynamic that he had. He
was very much like like a player's coach. Like one
of the things that I loved about Nick being able
to watch Nick like firsthand, right and from the field
and just different things. Nick would get really fired up,
like and I just think like seeing that level out

(39:32):
of like seeing that fire out of your coach is
like such a great thing. And I feel like that
Nick has this like infectious energy and this I mean
ruthless competitiveness that I think resonates with that team in particular.
I think it fits you know, Philly and their franchise,
a kind of what the city is built on. And

(39:53):
I just think that now it may have worked different
somewhere else, Right, There's so much it has to do
with head coaches finding success us being with certain franchises
and being a fit for really the kind of character
of the team that they're representing, right, And I think
Nick does that. And I think two, he has built
incredible relationships across the league, and that's why he has

(40:17):
been able to as his staffs have you know, been
kind of plucked over, he's been able to refill and
you know, kind of go back in and find guys,
and not only guys, but a guy like Vic Fangio
who wanted to be there. I mean, yeah, that's one
in what one year, first year in Philadelphia Fangio, the
Eagles ranked first in total defense, second in scoring defense.

(40:40):
They were twenty six and thirtieth respectively in those categories
in the twenty three season. So that's just the impact
that a not only a high level coordinator can have,
but also a high level coordinator is empowered by his
head coach to just lead that group. Right. We saw
Nick's evolution a little bit, and this is where I'll

(41:02):
give it to him too, is like adapting where you know,
obviously like he was more at a role in the
play calling and then he's kind has kind of evolved
from that standpoint. Now I believe it's completely on Kellen
Moore right, like from the offensive standpoint. So that's another thing.
I think Nick has always been always like adapting, looking
to improve, looking to evolve, and I think that that's

(41:22):
something that you have really seen come to fruition there.
But there are a lot of guys, I mean on
that staff. Kevin Petullo is there, Jason Michael is there,
you know, number of former colts who on that squad.
But you're talking about you know, coaching staves being you know,
like acknowledged by other teams, like you think about when
Frank Reich was here, Like Jonathan Gannon was here, he's
now the head coach the Arizona Cardinals. Nick was here

(41:44):
with a number of those guys, and the amount of
turnover that there was, Like you know, Marcus Brady is
now with the Chargers, and so look.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
A look at I mean, you know, to go back
to twenty twenty one or even like kind of those
successful years under Frank, his staff started to get picked over,
and maybe there is something too. Once that staff got
picked over, it kind of things declined here. It's hard
to replace those guys. It's really hard, and you don't
get that many chances to do it. If you miss

(42:13):
one time, you might not get a chance to hit
another one.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, poached was the word I was looking for. I
kept it, searching for it over and over. Satiate. I
was fine with poached. I couldn't think of. But I
also think it speaks to, like, you know, kind of
what you're talking about. What works with the Chiefs is
the dynamic of a variety of different like personalities, right,
and just kind of finding a way. And I think
that sometimes that can be hard when you have like

(42:37):
such a good fit of complementary approaches and philosophies and
dynamics in terms of, you know, how you're working with
the players and all of that. But when you look
at the commonality between the two teams and the Super Bowl,
I think you look at these are both guys who
are regarded as you know, very like obviously shrewd defensive
minds who have a propensity to adapt and you know,

(43:02):
have a lot of variety within their scheme, you know,
super versatile with what they want to do, a lot
of discuss and I think that that's an indication of
you know, what you hope that you're going to get
out of. Obviously, those are kind of characteristics that you
here talked about with Louis Rumo as well.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Right, Yeah, it's it is similar in that like veteran
defensive coordinator. Now Vic and Spags both got a shot
at being a head coach, but just those veterans who
have done it, they've evolved and I mean, look like
it's not like every defense Vic Fangio's coach has been awesome.
Those Dolphins players last year hated the guy, like Steve
Spagnolo had some you know, early on with trying to

(43:37):
get those Chiefs teams up and running. It wasn't just
sunshine and rainbows from the start, but they both evolved,
and I think for my money, these are is like
this defensive coordinator matchup, Wow, just as interesting to me
as the actual game.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I think it's better, right, I think it's it's better
Like I'm more interested I don defensively scheming up than
I am the offense.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I don't think Vic's gonna get like his coverage is
like messed with with like Tom and Jerry the way
that you know Jonathan Gannon. It's a good DC. He
got a head coaching job out of it, obviously, but
it's maybe a little more inexperienced. You try to do
that against Vic Fangio, I think he's gonna have an
answer for it.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Thirty eight thirty five. I want to say, the last
time these two teams played in a Super Bowl, I
mean a barn burner obviously with a lot of points scored.
You're saying no on that this year? I mean I'm
just looking at Spagnola and Fangio. Are you saying no,
We're not gonna get that.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I think it's gonna be lower scoring him, lower scoring
look at I mean, I think it's been like every
game in the playoffs this year, the team that's won
the turnover battle has won the game. It's like the
most boring possible answer, but I think it's gonna be
a little cagy.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Also, you guys probably saw this. I wish I could
go back to it right now and look. But like
the number of starters different for the Eagles roster from
when they were there two years ago. Like, I mean,
there's been some significant significant like you think you're like, oh,
you know, it's hurts, you know, you kind of think
about these different but like I mean massive, Like, shoot.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
It's a lot on defense, it's a lot You've.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Got like your Jalen Carter's and you know, like an
influx of like talent.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, yeah, ye.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
The one thing I want to bring up about this
matchup that I think is really interesting, we go, how
both teams have their highly paid quarterback. Right, both teams
have their highly paid quarterback. But look at what they've done.
The Chiefs and Eagles have both invested in their offensive
line in a way that is like, hey, this is

(45:38):
this is super important. We have got to do that.
I mean, the Eagles have probably the best O line
in the NFL. Like every single year what they have
there with Jeff Stoutland, obviously they're great O line.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Coach Jason Kelcey retires, a new kid comes in, right,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Like Jason Kelsey retires maybe early on in the season.
It was, but all of a sudden, Okay, awesome.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Here we go. Just twenty players who are on the
field for the Super Bowl and twenty three against the
Chiefs are slated to be on the fifty three man roster.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Half Yeah, it's two years ye gone, I mean that's
a good poler.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
With these teams though, So that that's the Eagles, right,
you got Lane Johnson there, you got Jordan Mylotta obviously
Landon Dickerson, Cam Jery, Like, those guys are awesome even
without Jason kelce the Chiefs, every single year they've poured
money into that offensive line, and they've used high draft
picks to bring in a Creed Humphrey, you know, someone
like that. They've brought in Joe Tooney, who's been all

(46:35):
over and you know, is one of the best alignment
in the NFL. They continue to invest in that as opposed,
and the Eagles have invested in wide receiver too. They're
paying two top receivers, right, it's all the same.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I'm gonna agree with you almost outside of specials. I mean,
outside of that they are spending. They are spending a
lot of resources, money, draft choices and everything, even more
so on the outside guys, the running backs and wide
receivers yea, and tight end with Kelsey at the offensive line,
that's a good makeup for success.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Right now, I think, and I think the Chiefs are
probably a little more you should. This is going to
sound weird because you can't look at the Homes at
all in terms of your team building because he's a unicorn.
But what they have done, I think is maybe a
more sustainable format for the rest of the league. The Eagles,
the way they're able to build it is a little
bit different. The Chiefs, though they invest in their line.

(47:23):
They've got one highly paid skill position player in Kelsey,
and even then it's a tight ends. You're not paying
him as much as wide receiver. And then on defense
you've got your dominant defensive lineman Jones, and you just
you cycle through draft picks there. They trade away Lugarius
Snead and their secondary is still awesome because they got
Trent McDuffie and okay, now yeah right, and you supplement

(47:47):
it with guys like Jordan Reid are Eric Reid? Excuse me?
Who's great? Safety? Like that? Guys are not great. He's
a really good player, and they just have a bunch
of really good players around this kind of like cent
triple to force in the middle in Chris Jones. You
can do whatever the hell you want with him and
you can't block the guy. So that I think that
they have such an interesting model where their resources are

(48:11):
maybe not what the Eagles have, right, the resources maybe
more what arrested the NFL is dealing with. You just
have mahomes, But how they build around him, I think
is really instructile.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
We saw a couple off seasons ago Chris Jones was saying, hey,
I'm not playing. You pay me, I'm not playing. Finally,
after about three weeks they we need Christianos and they
hoist a Super Bowl trophy. I'm going to start here
with my predictions. Oh and I am going out and
not on a limb on this because they're both good
football teams. But I got a Sirianni story attached to it.
I'm picking the Eagles. I'm picking on Nick Sirianni, and

(48:43):
I'm gonna tell you why because I never knew him
very well when he was here. I was going for
a while, I came back here, Larry's up in the
booth doing preseason sideline radio for television. I take over
Larr's responsibilities doing sideline radio. And I don't know these
guys well because I've only been town in beck Intown
for about six weeks up to day point, and I've
seen practices and never talked to Sirianni. So after the halftime,

(49:05):
the coordinators that come out, and I've always went up
to the coordinators ever since I did this, say hey,
what have we got in the second half? What are
we looking at? I? And I was gonna ask him
a question I don't know, I like Paris Campbell or
something like that. So Sirihanni comes running out of the tunnel.
I go, hey, coach, you want to find out about
the get the flip away from me? Who the flipp
or you get away for me? So he keeps running.
I understand he didn't know me for madam, like I
got the Colts shirt on in the in the flag

(49:28):
but I haven't had that discussion and our PR team
didn't say it. So Matt Conti comes up during the game.
He goes, did you have something with Sirianni. I said, yeah,
I bum rushed him and I took him by surprise,
and he's like, well, he wanted to apologize to you,
and I'm like, don't worry about it.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
I go.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I go to the locker room. After the game, he
seeks me out. He's like, I'm sorry, I don't know
your name, but I'm sorry about that. I just didn't
know who you were and you were shoving the thing.
So hey, Nick, sorry about that a few years ago,
but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
One of my favorites while we're here. Yeah, my favorite
Sirianni moments. This was very well documented in with the
Next Pick, and it was the draft when everyone is
on zoom for the draft and Nick is like at
his house in his basement. He's wearing a sweatband like

(50:12):
I don't know if it was he'd been like working
out or whatever, but uh, it was when they drafted
Pitt and JT. And obviously like it's all the scouts
and everything, he were on the zoom out in nowhere,
Sirianni appears full screen on the zoom whoa like just
like shouts and like gives a fist bump because he

(50:33):
was like thanking the scouts like for what they did
to like get those guys. It was awesome, Like it
was so funny. You're just like such a great moment.
And again, like that's like his enthusiasm, That's what he brings.
That's what he brings into you know, in the locker
room and meeting rooms on the sideline, Like it's it's great.
And you know, I got to know his family like

(50:53):
of course when they were here too.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I want to see Rock the Sweat Band come Sunday
afternoon on this What do you think? What do you like? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I kind of think like Chiefs twenty four, Eagles twenty two,
just something learn something just like close and like I
don't know if you've ever been to like a World
Series game where it's like every pitch you are just
like it's like agony of like, oh, what's gonna happen here?
It was like if any like we have any Cubs

(51:20):
fans watching the game five of the twenty sixteen World Series.
So the Cubs are down three to one, They're playing
the Indians at home, and it was like every pitch
is just like, oh, man, is this gonna be it?
Because it was such a close game, It's like every snap,
I think it's gonna be just like, oh, like here
we go. Like it's gonna be a like if I'm
a fan of the Chiefs or the Eagles, I am
just like white knuckling this whole thing. Now. For me,

(51:42):
I'm just gonna be like I'm gonna like I'm gonna
be watching on the couch with my kids and be like,
look at this like protection they just messed with by
moving Jalen Carter around here, and they're gonna be like,
what are you talking about? Uh? I think it's gonna
be close, and I think the Chiefs win, because why
would you better predict anything else at this point?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
You're right, I went with the Eagles. JJ is going
with the Chiefs. What do you what say? You learas Eagles?
Let's go, Sirihani, let's go. The only thing I'm saying
is one hundred and six yards. Vic Fangio defense gives
up rushing each week, and now they got the best
player in the game running back at one hundred and
six are awful tough. I think they're ninth overall. I
don't know it's gonna be fun, but I just want

(52:19):
a great game.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
We have a speaking of Saquon, can we have an
MVP discussion here?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I want to That's where I want to go right now.
Let's get into this. Let me get some paperwork going MVP.
I'm gonna get your take on MVP, and I'm gonna
get your take on Coach of the Year. Guys. Okay,
we're picking these two and the MVP. I'm not I
want to start there because I'm gonna say just yes
or no, agree with me or disagree. Can any of
these guys win it? And you guys are shocked? Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Really, Saquon wins it? I'm shocked.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Okay, any any of these guys. And when I say
these guys, I mean Josh Allen, I mean Saquon Barkley,
Joe Burrow, Jared GoF Lamar.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Jackson, Saquon wins it. I'm shocked.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I think Joe Burrow wins it.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I'd be shocked, you'd be shocked.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Hell here speaking Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
But like I playoffs, Yeah, like you missed the playoffs? Like, yeah,
I think you kind of have to me to be
an m v P, Like you've got to have something
to show for it from the team standpoint, and like
you've you've got to get You've got to get in
in my opinion, because to me, that's what makes you,
what makes you valuable, is taking a team to another level. Like, No,

(53:23):
Joe Burrow is absolutely one of the top quarterbacks in
the NFL. I just I think that unfortunately, by nature of.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
The MVP play, should the MVP discussion have to be
of the Super Bowl teams?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
No, No, I don't think right. And yeah, I don't
think so. But Saquan would be my pick, Like I
think would be floored.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I don't even think he's going to get a vote.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Maybe I'm just.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Saying in terms of, you know, the the impact of
like taking a singular player and the impact I don't know,
like when you look at them, I that's to me,
that's he would be mine. But obviously it always favors quarterback.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
I think it favors for me. It's always going to
be a quarterback. Ye, unless you have a defensive lineman
have thirty sacks in a season or something, it's gonna
be a quarterback because they touched the ball on every play.
Lamar Jackson this year, Oh my god, he had an
unbelievable season. I think narratively, I'd love to see Josh

(54:21):
Allen get it because I think he should be an
MVP at some point, I'm giving it to Lamar Lamar.
Look look at Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
This year.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
He completed sixty six point seven percent of his passes
forty one hundred yards. He threw forty one touchdowns. How
many interceptions did he throw? Take a guess five four
four correct. Forty one touchdowns and four interceptions. And that's
not even mentioning what he did as a runner, nine

(54:49):
hundred and fifteen rushing yards, the average six point six
yards per carry.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Let me ask you something, really, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Lamar Jackson is the best pocket passer, maybe not the best,
He's a top five pocket passer, and he's the best
running quarterback.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
In Let me ask you a question. A guy who
had a killer career as a running back? Oh J Simpson. Okay,
if Saquon Barkley breaks breaks his record, guy and plays
that final game of the season and has in a
one singular regular season, has the most yard by a
running back. Is he an MVP this year?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
No, Still that the one guy, the one guy who
I will listen to was actually last year, it was
Christian McCaffrey. He's the one guy had listened to because
of what he did in the passing game as well.
Saquan is awesome. The year he had was incredible. It
was so much fun watching him, the explosive playability he

(55:42):
brought to the Eagles. Really, you're right, it changed the
Eagles offense. But he like the impact that McCaffrey had
last year. He had sixty seven catches for five hundred
and sixty four yards and seven touchdowns in addition to
fourteen hundred rushing yards. I just think that the way
that McCaffrey changed everything for the Giants last year is

(56:04):
different than it changed Saquon and McCaffrey last year got
twenty nine percent of the vote share. Okay, I really
don't think Saquon is gonna get He got zero first
place votes last year. McCaffrey did after that season, So
let me let me rephrase this. Saquon Barkley does not
get a first place vote.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I get you. I'm not gonna argue with you.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
I don't think a running back has got a first
place vote since Todd Gurley.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Well, then if it's gonna take three thousand rushing yards
in an NFL season for running back, let's do away
with that and just make the most valuable quarterback.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
I mean, but that's that's the problem with the way
that it's defined.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
So do you do who's your offensive player in the year?
With this argument?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Barkley?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Okay, So there's this is I was like, that Offensive.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Player of the Year then becomes like the best offensive
player who's not a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
You just said, you just said the NFL honors, I mean,
before it even airs, that's gonna happen, rightak went the
AP Offensive Player the Year whatever, that's.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
For Jamar Chase. But like two thousand and yards. Yeah,
I mean, come on, it's interesting. It's squon for me.
But I like, give me Lamar Jackson, Lamar one, Josh
Allen two, and if I were voting for a third,
give me those names again. I'd probably put Burrow three.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Burrow at three uh names on the MVP. Allen, Barkley, Burrow.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Go okay, okay, out of those five, I'll go Lamar,
Josh Burrow, I'll go Saquon and then I'll go golf.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Not too far behind. Boy. Hell of you're Derek Henry
in Baltimore, first year as a Raven. I mean, we're
talking about these great players and stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I think I think with m VP, it's like, if
you took that guy off the team, what's the what's
the drop off? You take Lamar Jackson off the Ravens,
it's a it's a drop You take Josh Allen off
the Bills, it's a drop off. You take Saquon off
the Eagles, it's a drop off. I don't think it's
from you are contending to go to the Super Bowl
to you are barely making the playoffs. I think the

(57:56):
Eagles still probably make the playoffs. That might be a
kind of a spicy taker.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
That's spicy that is, that's yeah. It was Gainwell and
Sanders where they're running backs in the last Super.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Bowl running Yeah, Miles Sanders.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Is twenty twenty four this season of the running back comeback.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Mhm, here you go. There were Let's see if I
can do this. Off the top of my head, there
were six running backs this year that had three hundred
or more carries last year twenty twenty three zero.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Wow, okay, okay, those six Jonathan Taylor among them.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Jonathan Taylor was among them those six were. Of those
six running backs, four were on extensions or had signed
as free agents, Saquan, Jonathan Taylor, Derrick Henry and who's
the other one, Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
And then the fifth guy was b Jon Robinson, the
seventh overall pick. And then the sixth guy was kind
of your more traditional type, not traditional, but like the
guy's become more in vogue in recent years, which is
the mid round draft pick who explodes, And that was
Kirn Williams.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I think it was a fourth round pick at a
round LA.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
So I think this year it became much more valuable
to give running backs to those contracts because explosive passing
plays have tanked, and it's more it's as important as
it's been in the last ten years to be able
to run the football now. But I do think just
I don't know, if I'm looking at MVP like it's
for me, it's always gonna be the guy touches the ball.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
In running back contracts, they're not coming close to the
wide receiver contracts.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
They're not. But look at look at what the Eagles did, though,
like Saquon Barkley and Darnell Mooney got comparable contracts this offseason.
Darnell Mooney is the second receiver on the Falcons, probably
their third or fourth target. Or are you going to
give that money to Saquon Barkley who is going to
have that kind of elevating impact on your offense. I
think what they did, and I think what the Colts do.
Jonathan Taylor looks like that was a pretty good Bismart

(59:54):
move right there. Good business, good business.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
All right, guys, this one I want to have some
fun with. We're going outside of our comfort zone, which
is Indianapolis. And and you know, four sixty five here,
coach of the year, coach of the air. Our coach
is not up for it. So coach of the year.
Give me a little take on Dan Campbell, Lions. Hit
me with Dan Quinn because Kevin Oh okay, Kevin O'Connell,

(01:00:17):
Sean Payton, dan Quinn, Andy Reid, all of them. Again,
there's one that I say, Hey, I'm not surprised at someone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Let me see. Please go right ahead, look at the
single greatest franchise turnaround that we have seen of late. Yeah,
look in one singular year with a rookie quarterback, I mean,
I don't know how you argue against it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And Dan Quinn.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I mean, here's the thing is like, Okay, Sean Payton
and the Broncos. To see the argument Andy Reid, it's
he's there every year, right, he can't to argue against
Kevin O'Connell. I I kind of see the Donald. I
did that with Donald, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Dan Campbell is the guy who I I was wrestling
between fans on the list, which.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I agree, I'm always going to vote for a Dan.
But and part of the argument I see there is
because the degree of injuries and the way they had
to adapt, and the depth that was tested from that team,
and the way that team showed up to play each
and every week regardless of circumstance, regardless of everything else

(01:01:18):
going on. It was zero excuses. All of that still
still single. I mean, when have we seen a single
season franchise turnaround like you did under Dan quintin? Now
A lot of in year in year one, Like that's
the thing is, this is like Sean Payton, I get
not your one for him? Like you know, like a

(01:01:38):
lot of things came into play there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
One that kind of came into my mind was Zach
Taylor in Cincinnati. Yeah, but he was there in two thousand,
nineteen twenty and twenty one was his third year, second year,
whatever it was, so he had some time to kind
of like, yes, essentially like flush the guys out from
the previous regime and that build something up and Sanela.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Now a lot of things working. I mean, dan Quinn,
you obviously have you know, ownership group, and you drafted
Jade and Daniels, and you had some great free agency
moves as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
But one of the most important things the head coach
can do is hire the right staff. And when they
hired Cliff Kingsbury, I'll be honest, I was skeptical of that,
but he nailed that hiring of an oc.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
The other thing is dan Quinn as a head coach,
regardless of who they were going to draft, regardless of
who they were bringing in, whatever, he established a culture
in Washington, something that that franchise had been lacking. Right
Like we it's well documented, of course, the struggles that
have been there. Dan Quinn came in with a very

(01:02:38):
clear vision and a path, a plan, a structure of
exactly this is how we are going to do it.
This is how we get the buy in and this
is Yes, it is obviously the spectacular play of Jaden Daniels,
who is the offensive rookie of the year, no question,
but it's also what you got from the rest of
the guys, from you know, players who had been a
part of that team, who had been through all of

(01:03:00):
the struggles and all of the adversity that they have seen,
and to buy in to exactly what Dan Quinn is doing,
which is not unlike what Dan Campbell did from the
day he stepped in the building in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Detroit's there's a little difference here. I don't disagree with
you as.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
All, so I'm always here for a backward hat moment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yeah, us guys to go from Dan Snyder to Josh Harris,
new ownership within two years and to have success as
as a program in this league, it's tough. It's tough
to have ownership flip the switch on it totally new
like that. So now you got new owners in, you
come in, you say, okay, Ron Rivera, thank you for
doing everything that he did. Now set it up with

(01:03:36):
another veteran coach and you get the quarterback and you
get the young GM and you get the young assistant GM,
and the front office is right. I'm just saying, if
dan Quinn wins this award, which I think he's obviously,
you know, more qualified than it's the two dance for
me as well in this thing, but as an organization,
that organization will get that Coach of the Year award

(01:03:57):
because all the factors that had to come in and
playing in a championship game with a rookie quarterback. It's
it's mind boggling to me that that turnaround, that how
they did that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
This is probably unfair to dan Quinn, but I just
I I have the kind of lodged in the back
of my brain that Matt Naggi got Coach of the
Year in twenty eighteen and by the end, but not
even the end, three weeks into the twenty nineteen season,
Bears fans wanted him fight No, I mean, it happens quick.
So that's why I also I like giving it to

(01:04:27):
the guy who it's like, you know what, it's been
like three years of this and for Dan Campbell, that's
what it's been. It's been three years of like this
guy is an awesome football coach. He should get Coach
of the Year at some point, Like you mentioned, Lara,
everything they dealt with, losing Aiden Hutchinson, losing Alee McNeil,
like every impact player on that defense, it felt like
got hurt by the end of the year and it

(01:04:48):
cost him in the playoffs. Yeah, but not in the
regular season. And that like the inspirational factor that that
guy has is like it is. It is very hard
to find someone a Dan Campbell and I would put
him right up there. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
NFL Honors Thursday night. The big game, Super Bowl is
Sunday afternoon, early evening.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
It's a long day of hurry up and wait. I
gotta go there, Lara, I gotta go there. We got
favorites now on this big day. This is a big,
big day around And by the way, there is some legislation, legislation, legislation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
It's being brought in sciation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
It's being brought in by an Indiana lawmaker to make
the Monday following the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Is this lawmaker Matt Taylor, because he's holiday, he's been no,
he's the one who brought it to him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Something right in the other room.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
This they're there, they are going for legislation to make
that a national holiday the day after, and it's literally
called like Pro Football Memory Day or something like that
the Monday afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
So any of you lawmakers, it's called like heartburn and indigested.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Right, you need it though, by anybody watching the show, hey,
we want it, We want to push it through. Want
a day off. It's it's either this, guys, and then
I'm going off a tangent. Can't you just make this
thing on Saturday night? How big ratings? How big it
will be?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
The ratings from a Sunday Sunday Super Bowl Sunday. It's
like branded in packaged as as that el.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Do you want the day off the next day?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Not really, It's okay, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Well, here's okay. Here is where I get what you're saying.
We are we live in the East Eastern time zone,
the absolute worst time zone for watching sports, the Eastern
time Zone. Unless you're a soccer fan, then it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
The Super Bowl for us ends at what nine o'clock?
But if you're living in Palo Alto or you know,
I guess Palo Alto's on my mind because you know
your luck interview. Uh, if you're living in you know,
Colorado Springs Mountain time the best time zone for watching
sports games over at eight o'clock, seven o'clock, you can
and then watch Murder Coming Down, Coming Down for your buzz,

(01:06:53):
you watch Murder, She wrote afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I mean, what's it's hell to Sunday?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Yeah, yeah, you're fine, keep it where it is. How
about this just for the Eastern time zone, we get this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Bump it or just bump it up earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
You could also just stop earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I'm okay with a four to thirty kickoff the West coast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
That's already it's already a common time slot. It's like
you know, that's already established.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
But whatever, I agree, And this is just for you
at home. Just think of this because if you go
to places special mom and dad, sisters, brothers, boyfriend's girlfriends,
what's a must have? Because you said it earlier and
then my mouth gets watering and if there's not a
buffalo dip around me within arms reach, come this Sunday,
all hell's gonna break.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Loose buffalo dip. That's so that that is min we
were talking about like an ultimate super that's a power
ranking to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I don't need a blow any other ship.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Tip and I want like a little like I want
like a tortilla chip. I really like the blue corn
tortilla chips. They feel like they're you know, they get
a little more thickness. Yeah, big fan of those. I
also like to have like some you know, carrots and
celery on the side. That's my that is my go too.
Like I could go into that stuff just fork to mouth,
even like if you just set that little kraka goodness

(01:08:05):
right in front of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
I want my own mini crock pot of that. And
and I'm in heabit. Yeah, anything anything at the house.
You get the kids running around, you got a cow,
and you got anything else in your face.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
We've done a Super Bowl party the last couple of years,
but not not this year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Okay, So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I gotta figure out what I'm gonna make. I'm just
gonna let my kids stay up late and they'll be terrory.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
The only reason I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Actually hold on wait real quick, that's the best reason
to not have Super Bowl Sunday, the day after being
national holiday. Kids, you still got to go to school. Yeah,
I might tick the day off. I might put in
pto I mean, I probably want this year, but like
if I yeah, I'm gonna just take PTO that day.
But my kids are going to school. You get that
unicorn day where you're at home, the kids are at well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Okay, hold on, let's talk about this. Then there was
a brief conversation on Monday in Roger Gudell's press conference
about the eighteen game schedule. If the yes, if the
league went to an eighteen game schedule, that was then
push the Super Bowl to overlap with President's Day so
you would get that day off. Correct, So eventually that

(01:09:07):
will happen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Kids are going to camp that day.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
That's that's that's when grandparents come in, you know, to
the grandparents exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah, eighteen games.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Daddy had a little. Daddy hit the blends a little
too much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
And I'm also sniffing a game in Australia I'm hearing about.
I mean, my gosh, you guys reading anything about that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
I've seen a couple of reports about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
In Australia and the NFL, the worldwide domination. It continues.
But Saturday night, excuse me, Sunday night. You got me
talking on this same Sunday night. We're gonna find out
who did it the best and who did it and
how many is Andy Reid gonna end up with. I
know the Chiefs are a good team. I'm going with
the Eagles. I'm just going to nick Sirianni on that
and wrap up. Guys, so much loved it. I thought

(01:09:48):
you'd be at the Alehouse, my Ilimporium, el emporium rather
on Sunday because of the wings of what they do
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
But I love them. I love them, might go pick
them up. But it's just it's so packed and it's great.
It's great if you want to be a I just
prefer to be like either like at a friend's house
or something we're like can watch a little bit more
like It's guys, I know this is really gonna surprise you,
but I have a hard time focusing if I'm in
like a large public like social setting, because then I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Like you're everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, yeah, Like I need to be like locked in, right,
Like you have to remove the stimuli for me to
be able to like laser and even on something as
big as the Super Bowl? Am I the only one
who's really intrigued by the fact that in his first
season as a broadcaster, Tom Brady gets a Super Bowl. Yeah,
I'm so like, I'm like, oh, like I'm excited by that.

(01:10:33):
Like that is the like broadcaster nerd in me, I think,
But like I'm excited for that factor too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Like what did you bring you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Talked about before? You're excited about Kendrick Lamar and friends. Uh, halftime, Yeah,
that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
That's gonna be a good halftime, not bad, not bad,
just rap song of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I mean, they're bringing it right to the stage. Hey,
let's have some fun guys coming up. We have so
much stuff the Combine coming right here to Indianapolis and
obviously filling out this rostery. We're gonna have priority lists
for you guys coming up in the weeks to have
where the Colts are going to concentrate on filling holes
in this team offensively and defensively. Obviously what lou Anarumo
brings to this defense, We're gonna discuss it and a
whole lot more and again the combine right around the corner.

(01:11:11):
Colts dot Com has you covered you like social media
watches at JJ Stankovitz, at Larra Overton, best in the business.
Things are gonna start kicking into high gear. Right now,
we're celebrating the year, super Bowl week and everything, but
I'll tell you what, come Monday, I'm gonna put the
you know, the nose of the grindstone as they say,
get downtown to the combine and figuring out what this
roster is going to look like. Appreciate you guys watching

(01:11:32):
on the YouTube channel and of course the Colts Radio
Network for JJ Stankovitz, Larra Overton. I am Jeffrey Gorman.
Thank you for watching, Thanks for Robert Mays for a
great interview with JJ, and guys, we will talk to
you as I lost win there, guys, we will talk
to you next week.

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