April 24, 2025 • 39 mins
JJ Stankevitz sits down with Colts defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson and secondary coach/pass game coordinator Chris Hewitt for a dive into what the Colts can expect from their defensive backs in 2025 with two new coaches working with that unit. Henderson, a former player and longtime position coach, shares a story from his experience working with Hall of Fame cornerback Darrelle Revis as well as what attracted him to working with Lou Anarumo. Hewitt also offers insight into his coaching career with the Baltimore Ravens and what he'll bring to the Colts' secondary this year, especially with big-time free agents Cam Bynum and Charvarius Ward joining the mix.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey Colts fans, I'm JJ Sankovitz. Welcome into another episode
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out in full force this week. We've got High Volume
with Jeffrey Gorman, an episode with Edger and James that's
out really fantastic. Jeffrey and Edge just like could not
have produced a better conversation out of that. Really interesting
stuff from the Hall of Fame. Running Back Inside Football
with Rick Venturia's out on your audio channels if you're
interested in Rick's thoughts on the upcoming NFL Draft. And
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then we also have some videos of Inside Football Extra
looking at a couple of position groups of the draft.
You can check those out on YouTube. Instant Reaction is
going to be back during the NFL Draft after the
Colts go on the clock at four teen and make
their selection. Casey Valier, Bill Brooks, and Rick Van Terry
are going to do those episodes on Friday and Saturday
and then on or Friday, excuse me, on Thursday and Friday,
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and then on Saturday it'll be Casey and Bill breaking
down the Colts draft. Right, let's get that housekeeping out
of the way. It is draft week, and I know
you might be looking for an episode that's all about
the NFL Draft, but this episode's coming out Thursday morning. Look,
the NFL drafts happens in like twelve hours, depending on
when you're watching it, maybe a little bit earlier or
a little bit less time there. But I had really
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interesting conversations with the colts two new defensive backs coaches,
Jerome Henderson and Chris Hewitt, that we're going to get
into here. Not really draft related, but interesting nonetheless and
something that I'm really excited to share with you guys.
The story that Jerome Henderson told me about Derrell Reeves
was like awesome, seriously, like keep an eye out for that.
But I do want to talk a little bit about
the draft if you're listening to this before the Colts
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make their pick. I know, like every mock draft has
the Colts taking Tyler Warren, a Colts and Loveland. I
compiled it was one hundred and sixty seven of these
on Colts dot com, and of those one hundred and
sixty seven, one hundred and seven had the Colts taking
either Penn State tight end Tyler Warren or Michigan tight
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end Colston Loveland. These are two really good football players,
two guys who you know, you can read the reviews.
You know that the write ups that Dane Brugler from
The Athletic Daniel Jeremiah from NFL dot com have on
these guys just like glowing right ups on these two players.
They're different, they're not the same. They're both really talented.
But I just I want to get this out there that, like,
sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes it is obvious that a team
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is going to do something in the NFL Draft, but
it's only obvious if it actually happens, and it's like
after the fact, oh yeah, that was obvious. Like it
might feel obvious that the Cults are going to take
a tight end here, but I just just a word
of caution for the draft, A lot of stuff has
to align for the quote unquote obvious pick to actually happen.
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The team has to like these guy We don't know
how Chris Ballard, Shane Steike, and Jim or say, the
Colts whole scouting department, their whole coaching staff, we don't
know how they feel about these two players, and really
anyone in this draft. We might have an idea, but
we don't really know, and you don't really know until
you get to draft night and the call gets made.
The call can only get made if these guys are
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on the board too. So are the Colts going to
stay at fourteen? Are they going to try to move up?
Could they kick back and maybe get one of these
two guys? Or maybe you're looking at a guard, a tackle,
a defensive end, a defensive tackle, another position in the
first round. Could you kick back still get that and
then maybe look at the depth of this draft and
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say you could still go address a certain position to
need later. There's a lot that can happen and a
lot of uncertainty. I think about last year the ripple
effects of the Falcons getting Michael Pennox junior, what that
did to the rest of the draft. Where if they
don't take Michael Pennock junior, maybe they take Layatu Latu
at the eighth overall pick. And all of a sudden,
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the Colts draft looks completely different. There is a defensive
player taken in the first fourteen picks. Lat two is
not the first defensive player off the board for the
Colts at number fifteen. There just so much can happen,
so many unexpected things can happen. It's kind of like
putting a big puzzle together on draft night, especially in
the first round, and you're just trying to figure out
where do these different pieces fit, do they align with needs?
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How do teams think? There are a lot of first
time gms picking high. You know, in this year's draft.
What are the Jaguars gonna do. Are they gonna be
the team to get Ashton Genty? Are they gonna go
offensive line or wide receiver? Are they gonna go Mason Graham?
I mean, you know, who knows. We'll find out in
a little bit or I guess if you're watching this
maybe on Friday, you're already gonna know, and you're gonna
be like, dude, You're like, of course the Colts did
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this one thing, or maybe wow, that was a surprise.
They didn't do it. A lot of players though, who
I've seen mock to the Colts beyond Tyler Warren and
Colston Loveland. Here's just a rundown of all the guys
I compiled on colts dot com over the last couple
of months. Alabama yard Tyler Booker, Michigan cornerback Will Johnson,
Missoo tackle armand Menbu Georgia safety Malachi Starks, Alabama linebacker
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Jihad Campbell, Texas cornerback Jedi Baron, South Carolina safety Nick
Amman Worri Georgia defensive end MIKEL Williams. All those guys
had more than two times they were mocked to the
Colts in these mocks that I collected. That doesn't necessarily
mean that one of these guys who maybe hasn't been
mocked to the Colts a bunch at fourteen isn't going
to be the pick. You know, a Luther Burden, I
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don't know about a wide receiver in the first round.
The kid out of Miszoo, Will Campbell, the LSU tackle.
I've seen him mocked a lot higher than the Colts
at fourteen, but who knows if he's there. Ole miss
defensive tackle Walter Nolan, Tennessee defensive end James Pierce Junior
Iowa State cornerback Darian Porter, Texas tackle Kelvin Banks junior
Michigan defensive tackle, Kenneth Grant, Ohio State guard slash tackle,
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Donovan Jackson, Texas A and M defensive end Shamar Stewart,
and Georgia linebacker slash defensive end Jalen Walker. Those are
all names that I've collected who at least one person
has predicted predicted we'll go to the Colts in the
first round of the NFL Draft. I don't know about
defensive back in the first round. The Colts made big
moves in free agency to get Cam Bying them in
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Sharvarius Ward. Probably unlikely it's a defensive back, but you
know Chris Ballard's stance on it is, if it's a
good player, you kind of you take them, but you
don't worry about it, you know, and you're you're always
making moves years in advance too. Here, so you have
to maybe look at who's gonna be a free agent
after the twenty twenty five season. If you're scratching your
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head and like, well, why the Colts take this guy,
sometimes you need to look one, two, three years down
the road when it comes to the NFL Draft. All right,
that's enough draft talk, because we're gonna have plenty of
it coming to hear for our Indianapolis Colts podcast between
Instant Reaction Inside Football with Rick Van Terry will be
back next week analyzing the NFL Draft as well. On
Thursday next week, I'm hoping to sit down with whoever
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our first round pick is here with the Colts for
a new episode of The Colt Show that'll come out
next Thursday. For now, though, please enjoy Jerome Henderson and
Chris Hewitt Coults defensive backs coach in Cults secondary coach
slash Passion passing game coordinator. Easy for me to say,
really interesting conversations. You're going to learn a lot about
defensive backplay, about coaching, and about Lou and Erumo and
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It is my pleasure to be joined here on the
Colts Show by Colts defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson. Jerome,
before we started recording, you had to background playing in
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the NFL, and you came up as a young safety
with the Buffalo Bills in the mid nineties, and you
just told me you were trying. You're a young pup,
who's trying to guard who? In practice? Bill Brooks, our
friend Bill Brooks, not only in practice.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Bidding games.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I came in the league as a corner and one
of my early assignments I think it was I'm pretty
sure my rookie year was the I was on Bill
Brooks and and you know, he had a couple of
completions on me. Bill, wherever you're at, Thank you very
much for that. But really good player, you know, precise
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in his routes. You know, knew how to manipulate, you
could read the defense and know where to be, and
just a fierce competitor.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, as you know, Yeah, he's the best. All right.
So let's talk about your role here with the Colts.
How are you liking it so far? Like I guess
the question I have for every assistant coach that comes in.
You've been here for a couple of months. Now, what
do you think about Indianapolis? Or have you even had
a chance to get to know this city? Yet?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Really don't know the city. The thing I know it's
built on a grid.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know the streets with with state names go north
and south. I know that, and I I know how
to get from here to my airbnb.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean that that kind of nomadic lifestyle of being
a coach. You were lucky enough to be in New
York for a while before coming to Indy. What are
some of the challenges that that presents you as an
assistant coach of You know, you're saying you're standing in
an airbnb, but you're probably also barely there if I
do imagine.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, and and for me, I guess I don't see
it as a challenge, more opportunity. You know, very excited
to be here in the opportunity this presents. And you know,
being in an airbnb now I got nothing to do
but study and watch tape, So like being the being
the new guy. Like like again, I'm just in a
little airbnb, and so I can stay here late, I
can get here early. My wife isn't here yet, so
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I have no reason to go home other than to
take a nap before I come back and start it
all over.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So it's been good for for you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What what excited you about joining this coaching staff, uh,
specifically under lou Ana Rumo as a defensive.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, you know met lou long time ago when he
was still in college and was working out some of
his guys and he and I struck up a conversation,
started talking, became friends very quickly. Then fast forward he's
in the league as a DV coach and moves up
to a coordinator, and have stayed in touch and talked
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you know guys, schemes, different conversations with him, and always
been impressed with with him and his work.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So I'm excited for the opportunity to work on him.
I saw what he did in Cincinnati and you know,
not having a lot of like household name guys and
still fielding a very competitive, tough defense, you know, so
I'm excited to learn and to be here to assist
as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
How much does he put on you and Chris Hewitt,
who's gonna be on this podcast later as the kind
of dB secondary coaches with the way that he wants
to play his coverages where you know, one week he'll
play a lot of you know, quarters and next week, all, okay,
we're gonna go cover three. Okay, this week we're gonna
man up and you know, send pressure. Like he talked
a lot when I talked to him earlier, about just
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his philosophy of mixing up those coverages and disguising them.
How much does that put on you as an assistant back.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
There, Well, you know again, I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I look forward to that because I think that this league,
for the most part, is a quarterback driven league, and
you got to play against the quarterback, and you got
to be able to beat the quarterback. And you know,
in our meetings, you know, he talks a lot about
just changing the picture on the quarterback, giving him something
else to think about, make him continue to work, make
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him continue to process, make him continue to figure out
what we're doing and where we're going to be, and
and from the same look being able to do multiple things.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So that excites me.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm excited for our guys when they get here to
learn and what he'll bring.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So you show up in a couple of weeks later,
Tarvarius Ward shows up, cam Binham shows up. You've got
a vet corner who's been a second team All Pro.
You've got a veteran safety who's regarded as maybe one
of the more intellectual safeties in the league, is one
of you know, very high football IQ playmaker. Obviously, what
are those two guys specifically bring to this defense, and
what excites you about coaching them?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Just what you said. You know, you start with buying them.
You know, you know he will come in for us
and be a communicator, be a quarterback back there in
the back end for us, and orchestrate things and help
the other guys play better because of his his football mind,
his football IQ and his experience. And then you add
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Shraderius Ward, who like right now you love him going
up to match up against some of these big receivers
in the NFL. You know, he's a guy who doesn't
back down from any challenge, who like like relishes those
big moments and excited for what they're going to bring.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
What can a safety like Cam with his his versatility
and his his football IQ, what can that unlock for
an entire coverage scheme in the back end?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, it can help a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Especially you know you're gonna obviously have young pieces, You're
gonna have interchangeable pieces in the NFL nowadays, Guys coming
on the grass, guys coming off and having that calming
presence in the back end who can get us all
on the same page, who can also like make alerts
and reminders to the guys to help them play faster
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because of his knowledge. You know, we're really excited for
what he's gonna bring.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Where have you seen the safety position grow since your
playing days and maybe develop and into where it is now?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Like you said, I think the position has become a
much more versatile position. Like many moons ago, it was
kind of you had a deep safety who played deep,
rangy guy, and you had a box guy, big old
Steve Atwater type safety who was down close to the
line of scrimmage. And nowadays, guys with more versatility, Guys
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who are interchangeable, who can do interchangeable jobs again trying
to present problems for the quarterback, and different looks for
the quarterback. Guys who can cover a slot receiver, Guys
who can cover a tight end and match up there.
And then back in the day, you know, when you
came down, it was really you were just kind of outside.
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Now we're inserting the safety and he's an inside piece
at times. And then when you add what's happening today's football,
with all the motions and shifts and different things happening,
that guy is in the middle of a lot of
stuff and has to be a very versatile piece.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Explain the inside outside thing to me. Where a safety
in the nineties would be outside, Would that be you're
talking about to run support.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, he'd be coming down run support and really would
be on the edge for the most part and be
a curl flat defender or I have the tight end. Nowadays,
that safety sometimes is coming down and I'm basically doing
the job of a linebacker at times in the run game.
And so like now you have interchangeable again pieces that
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move a little differently.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's interesting because I would have thought it would almost
be the other way around, Like back in the nineties
when it was the league was still so run heavy.
It's like you got to come down to the box
and you got to hit your own betas in the
hole to support it. But you're saying it's more you
would kind of maybe if you try.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You always came down what most for the most part,
most teams came down from the same pattern. And now
you've changed the pattern because again you're trying to present
different issues for the quarterback. Different places that safety is
going to show up for the quarterback, and so now
it makes you come down sometime.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's some funky spots that you.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Didn't do like back in the day when when again
when Steve at Water was out there patrolling the secondary.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
What do you remember about your first year as a coach?
I believe it was with the New York Jets in
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, so I started off in came back into the
NFL and what is now player engagement, but started helping
the coaching staff right away. So two thousand and six
I was kind of part time both positions. I did
that two thousand and six, two thousand and seven where
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I went back and forth between multiple jobs, and then
in two thousand and eight's when I went completely took
the player engagement had off and went full time coaching.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
And you know, the I guess the thing that I.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Did not realize was like all the hours that went
into game planning. You know, because when you show up
on Wednesday morning, all right, here's the game plan, here's
what we're going to do, you don't know and see
all the conversations that go on behind the scenes and
all the study that went into piecing that together to
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make sure we give ourselves the best chance to.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Win the I believe that year was Darrell Reeves's first
year is a pro bowler two eight. It was a
second year in the league. He's a Hall of Famer.
I mean, he walked into Canton just like the inner
circle type cornerback. What did your first year your You're
coaching and all of a sudden you got you know,
you probably knew Durel from when he got drafted and everything,
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but what did you learn about coaching from what maybe
Durell Revis needed in those moments?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
The thing that about being around Drell that that I
learned is like, don't get in the way of really
good players. My job with him was to give him enough,
but not to hold him back and to put put
kind of a put him in a box, because he
was able.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
To do things and wanted to do things that I
hadn't seen before.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Like we were a defense that you know, a lot
of times when he was young, it would be all right, Durell,
if we have help in this defense, you go guard
the second best guy. But if there's no help, go
guard the best guy. And so for him, he would
be frustrated and be like, coach, I just just give
me the best guy, and I don't care if I
have help or not. Just let me take the best guy.
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Matter of fact, give me the best guy and still
help the other guy. And you know, we started doing that,
and you know, if we would have been as a
coaching staff, no way we're going to do that, maybe
we wouldn't see the I think you still would have
seen him, but not to the level that you saw
him where he literally would take a guy and erase
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him from the game.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's like it's revs. Peninsula, not Revis Island at that
point if you do that. Was there a moment though,
where like you're coaching him and you're just like, oh my,
this guy is like unbelievable. Do you remember like a
game or like a player or anything that came up
to mind there.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I remember in his rookie year, we were playing a
Now I guess it wasn't his rookie I guess it
was maybe the two thousand and eight season. We were
playing a a like a perennial Pro Bowl receiver, big
physical guy, and like he came over when we were
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warming up and you know, pregame and just kind of
tried to make his presence felt, and you know, I
lose my mind and and this is the receiver who
came yeah, and I lose my mind and Darrell looks
at me kind of like, coach, don't you realize what's
about to happen to him?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I'm about to go out here and kick his bleep.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I'm like, okay, well we're going to see. And
once the game started, I was like, oh wow, why did.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That guy do that?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Like like he he stirred like and Darrell was usually
pretty calm. He stirred him up a little more than
even than than normal and it was a beatdown. And
so like right then I knew, like this kid is
just different. He's built different because because the guy, you know, Remeasure,
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the guy was better, bigger, stronger, everything. But like the
thing that I would say with with Durrell is you
know his his whole thing was he wanted to take
your heart. I want to reach in your chest, take
your heart, and I want to show it to you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Well, it's still like you're still.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Beating that mentality. I don't know how much you've you know,
got to meet and talk with Charvarius, but like that mentality,
like that killer mentality. Charvarius seems like he's got it.
Like when when I had a chance to sit down
with him, and you know, very brief you're you're you're talking,
his head spinning. He just got here. But like that,
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he doesn't lack for confidence in a way that all
I think all corners don't lack for confidence. But like,
I don't know, it just it feels like different with Charvarius.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think that that the really good ones really are
built different, and they really see themselves different. It's like,
you know, the if you've ever seen the poster of
the little baby lion looking in the mirror, and he
sees a big lion. And I think all the great
corners see themselves bigger than they are because that that
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they're gonna put their will on you, and they're never
gonna let you ever look at you and think you
have a chance. And if you got me, it was
something I did, it wasn't because you got me. And
and so I think the great ones like like kind
of play with that confidence, that swagger that that I
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can go guard anybody, and and that's certainly what he brings.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's that's very very exciting. I can't wait to see
how that plays out. All right, last one for you here, Jerome,
You've worked for a lot of great defensive minds. You know,
looked it up Monte Kiffen Wink, Martindale, Uh, you know
Rob Ryan. Uh, there's one other guy in there. I'm
I'm forgetting you know, these these great defensive coordinators. Like,
what what have you picked up just from those experiences
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with those different minds, different philosophies over the course of
your coaching career.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You know, every every time you're with somebody who you
try to pick up something that you can add in,
something that benefits you. And you know a couple of
guys you did mention. I worked for Bob Sutton, my
first boss, and worked for Dick Jaron, who I learned
a lot from. I actually played for Bill Parcells and
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Belichick was my secondary coach and coordinator at one time.
So you have all these great like and you think
about all the great minds you're around, and and you
just try to pick up pieces while still being yourself,
because I know I can't go be a Bill Parcells
and and if I do, any can't right, And if
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I tried, guys, the guys would would feel it and
sense it and be like, hey, man, get out here,
You're a fake.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Like so I try to.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Learn what I can, but still being authentically me and
and approaching things the way I think I should and
doing it the way that I think gives us the
best chance to win. So you know, from each coach though,
you really do take a lot, like like if I
think about Bob Sutton, like like in my first person
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I worked for is his ability to sit back and
remove himself from it and look at it from like
a top down view, and and really was impressed with
that with him. And then when I worked for Dick Jaron,
the thing that he did was he really didn't care
what they do. It's all about us and how fast
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we play and how simple we are. And and for him,
the simplest thing is always the best thing. And so
I learned that from him. And then as you go on,
you just pick up these little pieces from dan Quinn,
you know, you learned like the energy that that and
the confidence and the swagger that he wants to play with.
Then so you pick up these little pieces from from
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you know, each each person you work for, and you
and you learn and you can again try to make
it part parts of it, part of of what you
do and how you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's great. Well, welcome to Indy, Jerome. You'll be picking
stuff up from Lou and Romo and Shane Steichen and
everyone else around here in Indianapolis. Jerome Henderson, defensive backs
coach for the Colts, thanks for joining me here on
the Colt Show.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Joining me here on the Colt Show is secondary coach
and past game coordinator Chris Hewitt. Chris, Welcome to Indy man.
How has it been getting adjusted to this city? So far?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So far, so good? I reely like how you did that?
You know how you just pop up with the That's
that's nice, man. I love the introduction.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I've got I've got a bit of a knack for
the announcer voice. Yeah, I'm also the stadium PA announcer
right in the building, so I'm the guy who's yelling
third down when it's obviously third down. So I can
I can like snap into that voice like my kids
are always like.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I have it. I'm not. I'm not here like this
is my first time. So what is that? What is
third down? What? What is that big thing? What do
you do?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's third d like it?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I like it. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And that was even more muted but I can like
snap in and out of like certain voices.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, the inflection up and down. I like it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Now this podcast is not about me though. This is you,
Chris Hewett, newest member of our coaching staff here with
the Colts. Just tell me about like getting getting adjusted
to a new team and a new building. Because you
were in Baltimore for what twelve thirteen years? Thirteen years, yo,
that was your only stop in the NFL. You were
Rutgers before that. Just what's it been like getting used
to a new building here.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Well, I mean, obviously it's a it's a different culture.
It's a different culture, but the objective is still the same.
It's all about winning and how you get to it
is kind of the deal. So just really getting used
to the culture and the people that are around the building,
like people like you, Like you know, thirteen years in
one building, you know, you get to know everybody pretty
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much over everybody in the building.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Everybody knows you. So it's different, but it's a good adjustment.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What about working for lou Anarumo and working with lou
kind of attracted you to.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
This position because of who he was in his track
record and the style of play, that that we hope
to employ here, which we will employ here. The aggressive
style which you know I have been a part of
in Baltimore and what he did when he was in Cincinnati,
and I've known him for you know, a lot of
years just secondary coach, being in the league. And first thing, first,
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when you want to when you work with somebody, you
want to work with great people, and he's one of
those guys. Just great person, good people. And then obviously
it's football knowledge, So that's what attracted me here.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You're in the same division as him for obviously quite
some time, Like as a guy who works in the secondary,
Low's background is in the secondary. Like, right, did you
find yourself just maybe admiring like the work that he
did and the way that he deployed coverages from afar?
Like what what sort of did you see from him?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Obviously, you know, you you look at some of the
things that people do around the league, and you know,
some of the things that he's done to stop some
of our you know, some like offenses and especially going
against Baltimore, some of the things that he's done to
you know, stop Baltimore offensively. Now, sometimes it didn't work
so well, Butmar Jackson's offen because of Lamar Jackson. He's
pretty's pretty damn good. But obviously, like I said, you
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you admire what what other defenses are doing, and you
you study each other. And another thing is because he's
a secondary guy. He knows the pains and struggles that
people do are going through as a secondary coach. So
a guy has coached the secondary, he understands and he
knows how to call the game to help the secondary.
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So that's that's premium.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
When you look at the coverages that he used in Cincinnati,
I mean he played everything from your cover zero to
your drop eight, everything in between. His versatility seemed to
really stick out in terms of that as a DB's coach.
As a secondary coach, how does that does How much
of a challenge is that on you? Knowing that hey,
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Lou's gonna we're gonna change it up every week. I
got to be able to coach these guys to whatever
the game plan is, Like, how does that impact you?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I don't know any different because I've come from a
a defense that has multiple coverages from zero to two
to three fours, different form of fours. Six is we
play it all? There's no defense or any kind of
coverage that I haven't played. You know, different nuances within
the defenses that he that he has that I that
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i've you know, probably haven't haven't played, but interested to
learn them and go through it. But those are the
type of things that I'm used to, so I don't
blink and I when somebody says, hey, we're gonna do this,
we're gonna do that, whatever, let's go.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I've done it before.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I want to talk a little bit about Baltimore because
when I was reading through your bio, John Harbaugh coached
you for a year in college.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Right, for all the I was in Universe sisinnat five years,
all five years.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
John Harbor was a five years Yeah, he was there.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He a special teams coordinator, right, yeah, so I was
a a lot of pounds, but a lot of pounds
before that, but I was I was a kick return
I was pretty good. So yeah, yeah, that's what what
he coached me from. And then we developed that relationship
over a long time.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
The point I want to make there is like you
never know who's going to be important in your life,
like early on, right, and a lesson that I always
tell I mean, you know, working in like the media
space I always tell people is like, you never know
who can help you out later in life.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's cool seeing that from a coaching perspective because I
when I was even talking to Lou, he coached with
Joe Philbin at the Merchant Marine Academy, right, and then
Joe Filben was the one who gave him his first
NFL job and hired him in Miami. Like you've you've
lived that, Yeah, Like if you're giving advice out to
a young coach you know, or someone who's in the
football space who maybe wants to go into something after it,
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would you kind of use that experience of you with
coach Harbaugh as an example of that, Hey, you never
know who can help you out?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Well, I mean you you explained it very well. I mean,
especially in this business, coaching, coaching profession, it's all about relationships.
When you go through a season and being going through
a season, it's tough, it's hard. You want to be
with somebody who you can trust, somebody that you can
count on. That's what it's all about. So most coaches gets.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
What they do. They go with people who they know
and people who they can trust.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Obviously they got to be knowledgeable, but trust is a
big important.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
What about Mike Ditka? Tell me about playing for Mike
Ditka for three years into world I'm a Chicago guy.
I got to ask about Mike Ditka.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Well, I didn't have any like a great relationship with
Mike dickad Like obviously when I like when I was
when I was playing, I was like the fifty second
guy on the roster, you know what I'm saying. So
I didn't have a great relationship with him. I got
cussed out a lot, got damn near cut like five
times within the game, within a game, within a game.
You know, he's he's one of those guys. He's real emotional,
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gets he gets going. But throughout the week great dude,
you know you never really heard heard much from him,
but come Sunday man, different cat, different cat.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
But Mike was great. He was great.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'm curious as you just you now are fifteen years
into coaching, you know in the NFL. I know you
had a lot of experience in Greg Ciano back at Rutgers,
Like how do you just kind of pick and pick
those things from a Mike Ditka, from a John Harbaugh,
from a Greg Ciano that you've now picked up that
have kind of helped you term, you know, become the
coach you are today.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Well, I mean, it doesn't matter who the guy is.
You can in coaching. You can learn a lot from
from an intern, you can learn a lot from you know.
It's it's all about perspective and being able to get
those little soundbites things that that's going to get across
to the players the fastest and the easiest way. So
I learned from a lot of coaches, but obviously Greg
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and John they they are big influential guys in my
coaching career because that I learned a lot from both
of those guys, and obviously both of those men they
have been highly successful. So but again it's all about
trying to get your self what's the word I'm looking for,
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really just being able to communicate, communicate with the players
and being able to get those sound bites and get
it across really fast.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So, but it doesn't it doesn't have to.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Come from a John Harbor or it could be anybody.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's that efficiency and like your messaging.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
And your that's right points, that's right.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
How has how has the coaching profession maybe evolved in
your time. Specifically, let's talk about in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Oh, the first one will probably be this change is analytics.
Analytics has become a big part of football and how you.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
You draft a player, how you.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
How what kind of defenses you're gonna you're gonna use
versus you know, a particular quarterback or you know. It's
it's it's it's kind of been game changing where a
lot of times you because of analytics, because you have
guys who can go through all of that, you know,
the PFF and all those things, you can get to
a game plan a lot faster through analytics.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Is that something that I don't know, I feel like
a lot of like, like I used to do a
lot of stuff in baseball, and baseball there was like
this huge resistance to analytics from like the coaches, right,
and now the sport's completely flipped where it's I think
it's almost too analytically heavy. But for football, like it's
it's a tool that you can use, but it's not
the only thing.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Definitely not the only thing. But what what it can
do is drive you to a conclusion faster. So somebody
gives you some information and you know, say they say,
all right, this guy, he really struggles with.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
The middle of field close.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Okay, all right, well let me look at all the
middle of field clothing and you go through it and
be like, oh, yeah, he really does or or it's
a different coverage and you know, their analytical data is
coming out as a middle field closed and it's it's
covered zero as. I'm sorry, you don't know what you're
talking about. So my point is sometimes it can and
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it can skew things too, so you still have to
do the work, but you can get to a conclusion faster.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The development of like secondaries over maybe the last fifteen years,
it feels like there's a lot of creativity that has
come with certain guy's roles. And this is going to
be a Kyle Hamilton question for you, Like when you
got Kyle Hamilton in there from Notre Dame and like,
how did you and the defensive coaching staff begin to
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envision a role for him and how much outside the
box thinking did it take to get him to where
he is now, which is like, you know, an all
pro safety in the league.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Well, it's all about getting the guy into the right position.
And with a guy like Kyle, he's really like in
one on one. He's really a unicorn. There's not a
whole lot of people or human beings walking around like him.
But what is he He's almost He's six foot four,
two hundred and seventeen pounds.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
He runs like a deer.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He can bend, he can bled, he does damn everything
very good to elite level. So honestly, if you put
Kyle anywhere, he's gonna he was gonna flourish. It was
all ready about just his experience getting on the field
and knowing things, and it really regardless of where you
put him, he was gonna he was gonna flourish. He's
just one of those individuals. He's one on one. You know,
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guys like Ed Reid, they're just they're just one of one.
And he's that type of guy.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
With the new guys of the Colts brought in in
Travarious Ward and cam buying them, how do you see
their their skill sets both mentally and physically fitting into
this defense in what you and Jerome and Lou want
to accomplish in the back end.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Well, obviously, when we looked at, you know, guys to
help us in the secondary, you're looking for smart, physical,
tough football players, and those guys embody all of those things.
They're smart, they're physical, and they're tough. And building the team,
building the defense, that's the most thing you want. Smart, physical,
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tough football players. And with Cam he's kind of like
the brain back there. He's able to line everybody up
and be able to control the defense, the quarterback of it.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
On the back end.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
You saw all those things evident what he was doing
with the Minnesota Vikings, making plays and being able to
control guys. But his physicality, his toughness, tracking the football,
all those things, they were all there.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
He was just a.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Dost everything right. So when you have a person who
just does everything right, that's the kind of guy that
you want out there on the field with you because
you're gonna win football games with them. And Javari's press corner,
he's gonna be able to eliminate that that number one receiver,
gonna be able to challenge guys at the line of scrimmage,
disrupt the timing, and they all experience and all the
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things that he's done throughout his career, he hasn't slowed down.
So that's the reason why why he's here. Those again, smart, tough, physical,
football players.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
When you've got those two veteran in you know, Tarvarius
and Cam and then also Kenny Moore, the second a
guy is a Pro Bowl corner right, you know, has
been really productive here in Indye. Just does that allow
you to do anything different than if you maybe had
a very young secondary back there.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
You would like to think so, But it's all about
once we get out on the grass, because I don't
want I don't want to speak too early about what's
gonna happen. So we really got to get on the
grass and get that chemistry going and really find out
what we can do and what we cannot do. It's
gonna it's gonna be experiment early on until we find
out what we really do well. But if you're starting
with I can't anymore, you're starting with the camp. I mean,
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that's pretty good players, You're going to be pretty good
regardless of what you do.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Isn't that the case every year?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
That it's kind of an experiment at this time because rooms.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Change, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it's all like again, it's it's
about the chemistry and how how how guys are able
to move and how they'll be able to communicate. That's
number one thing, especially in the back end, is the communicator.
And if they can communicate and then if they understand
each other, usually ends up pretty good awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
All right, Well, Chris Hewitt, secondary coach and past game
coordinator here, what the cult snakes are joining me here
on the Colt Show.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
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out in full force this week. We've got High Volume
with Jeffrey Gorman, an episode with Edger and James that's
out really fantastic. Jeffrey and Edge just like could not
have produced a better conversation out of that. Really interesting
stuff from the Hall of Fame. Running Back Inside Football
with Rick Venturia's out on your audio channels if you're
interested in Rick's thoughts on the upcoming NFL Draft. And
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then we also have some videos of Inside Football Extra
looking at a couple of position groups of the draft.
You can check those out on YouTube. Instant Reaction is
going to be back during the NFL Draft after the
Colts go on the clock at four teen and make
their selection. Casey Valier, Bill Brooks, and Rick Van Terry
are going to do those episodes on Friday and Saturday
and then on or Friday, excuse me, on Thursday and Friday,
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and then on Saturday it'll be Casey and Bill breaking
down the Colts draft. Right, let's get that housekeeping out
of the way. It is draft week, and I know
you might be looking for an episode that's all about
the NFL Draft, but this episode's coming out Thursday morning. Look,
the NFL drafts happens in like twelve hours, depending on
when you're watching it, maybe a little bit earlier or
a little bit less time there. But I had really
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interesting conversations with the colts two new defensive backs coaches,
Jerome Henderson and Chris Hewitt, that we're going to get
into here. Not really draft related, but interesting nonetheless and
something that I'm really excited to share with you guys.
The story that Jerome Henderson told me about Derrell Reeves
was like awesome, seriously, like keep an eye out for that.
But I do want to talk a little bit about
the draft if you're listening to this before the Colts
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make their pick. I know, like every mock draft has
the Colts taking Tyler Warren, a Colts and Loveland. I
compiled it was one hundred and sixty seven of these
on Colts dot com, and of those one hundred and
sixty seven, one hundred and seven had the Colts taking
either Penn State tight end Tyler Warren or Michigan tight
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end Colston Loveland. These are two really good football players,
two guys who you know, you can read the reviews.
You know that the write ups that Dane Brugler from
The Athletic Daniel Jeremiah from NFL dot com have on
these guys just like glowing right ups on these two players.
They're different, they're not the same. They're both really talented.
But I just I want to get this out there that, like,
sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes it is obvious that a team
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is going to do something in the NFL Draft, but
it's only obvious if it actually happens, and it's like
after the fact, oh yeah, that was obvious. Like it
might feel obvious that the Cults are going to take
a tight end here, but I just just a word
of caution for the draft, A lot of stuff has
to align for the quote unquote obvious pick to actually happen.
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The team has to like these guy We don't know
how Chris Ballard, Shane Steike, and Jim or say, the
Colts whole scouting department, their whole coaching staff, we don't
know how they feel about these two players, and really
anyone in this draft. We might have an idea, but
we don't really know, and you don't really know until
you get to draft night and the call gets made.
The call can only get made if these guys are
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on the board too. So are the Colts going to
stay at fourteen? Are they going to try to move up?
Could they kick back and maybe get one of these
two guys? Or maybe you're looking at a guard, a tackle,
a defensive end, a defensive tackle, another position in the
first round. Could you kick back still get that and
then maybe look at the depth of this draft and
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say you could still go address a certain position to
need later. There's a lot that can happen and a
lot of uncertainty. I think about last year the ripple
effects of the Falcons getting Michael Pennox junior, what that
did to the rest of the draft. Where if they
don't take Michael Pennock junior, maybe they take Layatu Latu
at the eighth overall pick. And all of a sudden,
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the Colts draft looks completely different. There is a defensive
player taken in the first fourteen picks. Lat two is
not the first defensive player off the board for the
Colts at number fifteen. There just so much can happen,
so many unexpected things can happen. It's kind of like
putting a big puzzle together on draft night, especially in
the first round, and you're just trying to figure out
where do these different pieces fit, do they align with needs?
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How do teams think? There are a lot of first
time gms picking high. You know, in this year's draft.
What are the Jaguars gonna do. Are they gonna be
the team to get Ashton Genty? Are they gonna go
offensive line or wide receiver? Are they gonna go Mason Graham?
I mean, you know, who knows. We'll find out in
a little bit or I guess if you're watching this
maybe on Friday, you're already gonna know, and you're gonna
be like, dude, You're like, of course the Colts did
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this one thing, or maybe wow, that was a surprise.
They didn't do it. A lot of players though, who
I've seen mock to the Colts beyond Tyler Warren and
Colston Loveland. Here's just a rundown of all the guys
I compiled on colts dot com over the last couple
of months. Alabama yard Tyler Booker, Michigan cornerback Will Johnson,
Missoo tackle armand Menbu Georgia safety Malachi Starks, Alabama linebacker
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Jihad Campbell, Texas cornerback Jedi Baron, South Carolina safety Nick
Amman Worri Georgia defensive end MIKEL Williams. All those guys
had more than two times they were mocked to the
Colts in these mocks that I collected. That doesn't necessarily
mean that one of these guys who maybe hasn't been
mocked to the Colts a bunch at fourteen isn't going
to be the pick. You know, a Luther Burden, I
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don't know about a wide receiver in the first round.
The kid out of Miszoo, Will Campbell, the LSU tackle.
I've seen him mocked a lot higher than the Colts
at fourteen, but who knows if he's there. Ole miss
defensive tackle Walter Nolan, Tennessee defensive end James Pierce Junior
Iowa State cornerback Darian Porter, Texas tackle Kelvin Banks junior
Michigan defensive tackle, Kenneth Grant, Ohio State guard slash tackle,
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Donovan Jackson, Texas A and M defensive end Shamar Stewart,
and Georgia linebacker slash defensive end Jalen Walker. Those are
all names that I've collected who at least one person
has predicted predicted we'll go to the Colts in the
first round of the NFL Draft. I don't know about
defensive back in the first round. The Colts made big
moves in free agency to get Cam Bying them in
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Sharvarius Ward. Probably unlikely it's a defensive back, but you
know Chris Ballard's stance on it is, if it's a
good player, you kind of you take them, but you
don't worry about it, you know, and you're you're always
making moves years in advance too. Here, so you have
to maybe look at who's gonna be a free agent
after the twenty twenty five season. If you're scratching your
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head and like, well, why the Colts take this guy,
sometimes you need to look one, two, three years down
the road when it comes to the NFL Draft. All right,
that's enough draft talk, because we're gonna have plenty of
it coming to hear for our Indianapolis Colts podcast between
Instant Reaction Inside Football with Rick Van Terry will be
back next week analyzing the NFL Draft as well. On
Thursday next week, I'm hoping to sit down with whoever
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our first round pick is here with the Colts for
a new episode of The Colt Show that'll come out
next Thursday. For now, though, please enjoy Jerome Henderson and
Chris Hewitt Coults defensive backs coach in Cults secondary coach
slash Passion passing game coordinator. Easy for me to say,
really interesting conversations. You're going to learn a lot about
defensive backplay, about coaching, and about Lou and Erumo and
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It is my pleasure to be joined here on the
Colts Show by Colts defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson. Jerome,
before we started recording, you had to background playing in
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the NFL, and you came up as a young safety
with the Buffalo Bills in the mid nineties, and you
just told me you were trying. You're a young pup,
who's trying to guard who? In practice? Bill Brooks, our
friend Bill Brooks, not only in practice.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Bidding games.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I came in the league as a corner and one
of my early assignments I think it was I'm pretty
sure my rookie year was the I was on Bill
Brooks and and you know, he had a couple of
completions on me. Bill, wherever you're at, Thank you very
much for that. But really good player, you know, precise
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in his routes. You know, knew how to manipulate, you
could read the defense and know where to be, and
just a fierce competitor.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, as you know, Yeah, he's the best. All right.
So let's talk about your role here with the Colts.
How are you liking it so far? Like I guess
the question I have for every assistant coach that comes in.
You've been here for a couple of months. Now, what
do you think about Indianapolis? Or have you even had
a chance to get to know this city? Yet?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Really don't know the city. The thing I know it's
built on a grid.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know the streets with with state names go north
and south. I know that, and I I know how
to get from here to my airbnb.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean that that kind of nomadic lifestyle of being
a coach. You were lucky enough to be in New
York for a while before coming to Indy. What are
some of the challenges that that presents you as an
assistant coach of You know, you're saying you're standing in
an airbnb, but you're probably also barely there if I
do imagine.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, and and for me, I guess I don't see
it as a challenge, more opportunity. You know, very excited
to be here in the opportunity this presents. And you know,
being in an airbnb now I got nothing to do
but study and watch tape, So like being the being
the new guy. Like like again, I'm just in a
little airbnb, and so I can stay here late, I
can get here early. My wife isn't here yet, so
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I have no reason to go home other than to
take a nap before I come back and start it
all over.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So it's been good for for you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What what excited you about joining this coaching staff, uh,
specifically under lou Ana Rumo as a defensive.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, you know met lou long time ago when he
was still in college and was working out some of
his guys and he and I struck up a conversation,
started talking, became friends very quickly. Then fast forward he's
in the league as a DV coach and moves up
to a coordinator, and have stayed in touch and talked
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you know guys, schemes, different conversations with him, and always
been impressed with with him and his work.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So I'm excited for the opportunity to work on him.
I saw what he did in Cincinnati and you know,
not having a lot of like household name guys and
still fielding a very competitive, tough defense, you know, so
I'm excited to learn and to be here to assist
as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
How much does he put on you and Chris Hewitt,
who's gonna be on this podcast later as the kind
of dB secondary coaches with the way that he wants
to play his coverages where you know, one week he'll
play a lot of you know, quarters and next week, all, okay,
we're gonna go cover three. Okay, this week we're gonna
man up and you know, send pressure. Like he talked
a lot when I talked to him earlier, about just
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his philosophy of mixing up those coverages and disguising them.
How much does that put on you as an assistant back.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
There, Well, you know again, I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I look forward to that because I think that this league,
for the most part, is a quarterback driven league, and
you got to play against the quarterback, and you got
to be able to beat the quarterback. And you know,
in our meetings, you know, he talks a lot about
just changing the picture on the quarterback, giving him something
else to think about, make him continue to work, make
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him continue to process, make him continue to figure out
what we're doing and where we're going to be, and
and from the same look being able to do multiple things.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So that excites me.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm excited for our guys when they get here to
learn and what he'll bring.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So you show up in a couple of weeks later,
Tarvarius Ward shows up, cam Binham shows up. You've got
a vet corner who's been a second team All Pro.
You've got a veteran safety who's regarded as maybe one
of the more intellectual safeties in the league, is one
of you know, very high football IQ playmaker. Obviously, what
are those two guys specifically bring to this defense, and
what excites you about coaching them?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Just what you said. You know, you start with buying them.
You know, you know he will come in for us
and be a communicator, be a quarterback back there in
the back end for us, and orchestrate things and help
the other guys play better because of his his football mind,
his football IQ and his experience. And then you add
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Shraderius Ward, who like right now you love him going
up to match up against some of these big receivers
in the NFL. You know, he's a guy who doesn't
back down from any challenge, who like like relishes those
big moments and excited for what they're going to bring.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
What can a safety like Cam with his his versatility
and his his football IQ, what can that unlock for
an entire coverage scheme in the back end?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, it can help a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Especially you know you're gonna obviously have young pieces, You're
gonna have interchangeable pieces in the NFL nowadays, Guys coming
on the grass, guys coming off and having that calming
presence in the back end who can get us all
on the same page, who can also like make alerts
and reminders to the guys to help them play faster
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because of his knowledge. You know, we're really excited for
what he's gonna bring.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Where have you seen the safety position grow since your
playing days and maybe develop and into where it is now?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Like you said, I think the position has become a
much more versatile position. Like many moons ago, it was
kind of you had a deep safety who played deep,
rangy guy, and you had a box guy, big old
Steve Atwater type safety who was down close to the
line of scrimmage. And nowadays, guys with more versatility, Guys
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who are interchangeable, who can do interchangeable jobs again trying
to present problems for the quarterback, and different looks for
the quarterback. Guys who can cover a slot receiver, Guys
who can cover a tight end and match up there.
And then back in the day, you know, when you
came down, it was really you were just kind of outside.
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Now we're inserting the safety and he's an inside piece
at times. And then when you add what's happening today's football,
with all the motions and shifts and different things happening,
that guy is in the middle of a lot of
stuff and has to be a very versatile piece.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Explain the inside outside thing to me. Where a safety
in the nineties would be outside, Would that be you're
talking about to run support.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, he'd be coming down run support and really would
be on the edge for the most part and be
a curl flat defender or I have the tight end. Nowadays,
that safety sometimes is coming down and I'm basically doing
the job of a linebacker at times in the run game.
And so like now you have interchangeable again pieces that
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move a little differently.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That's interesting because I would have thought it would almost
be the other way around, Like back in the nineties
when it was the league was still so run heavy.
It's like you got to come down to the box
and you got to hit your own betas in the
hole to support it. But you're saying it's more you
would kind of maybe if you try.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You always came down what most for the most part,
most teams came down from the same pattern. And now
you've changed the pattern because again you're trying to present
different issues for the quarterback. Different places that safety is
going to show up for the quarterback, and so now
it makes you come down sometime.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's some funky spots that you.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Didn't do like back in the day when when again
when Steve at Water was out there patrolling the secondary.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
What do you remember about your first year as a coach?
I believe it was with the New York Jets in
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, so I started off in came back into the
NFL and what is now player engagement, but started helping
the coaching staff right away. So two thousand and six
I was kind of part time both positions. I did
that two thousand and six, two thousand and seven where
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I went back and forth between multiple jobs, and then
in two thousand and eight's when I went completely took
the player engagement had off and went full time coaching.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
And you know, the I guess the thing that I.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Did not realize was like all the hours that went
into game planning. You know, because when you show up
on Wednesday morning, all right, here's the game plan, here's
what we're going to do, you don't know and see
all the conversations that go on behind the scenes and
all the study that went into piecing that together to
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make sure we give ourselves the best chance to.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Win the I believe that year was Darrell Reeves's first
year is a pro bowler two eight. It was a
second year in the league. He's a Hall of Famer.
I mean, he walked into Canton just like the inner
circle type cornerback. What did your first year your You're
coaching and all of a sudden you got you know,
you probably knew Durel from when he got drafted and everything,
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but what did you learn about coaching from what maybe
Durell Revis needed in those moments?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
The thing that about being around Drell that that I
learned is like, don't get in the way of really
good players. My job with him was to give him enough,
but not to hold him back and to put put
kind of a put him in a box, because he
was able.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
To do things and wanted to do things that I
hadn't seen before.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Like we were a defense that you know, a lot
of times when he was young, it would be all right, Durell,
if we have help in this defense, you go guard
the second best guy. But if there's no help, go
guard the best guy. And so for him, he would
be frustrated and be like, coach, I just just give
me the best guy, and I don't care if I
have help or not. Just let me take the best guy.
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Matter of fact, give me the best guy and still
help the other guy. And you know, we started doing that,
and you know, if we would have been as a
coaching staff, no way we're going to do that, maybe
we wouldn't see the I think you still would have
seen him, but not to the level that you saw
him where he literally would take a guy and erase
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him from the game.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's like it's revs. Peninsula, not Revis Island at that
point if you do that. Was there a moment though,
where like you're coaching him and you're just like, oh my,
this guy is like unbelievable. Do you remember like a
game or like a player or anything that came up
to mind there.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I remember in his rookie year, we were playing a
Now I guess it wasn't his rookie I guess it
was maybe the two thousand and eight season. We were
playing a a like a perennial Pro Bowl receiver, big
physical guy, and like he came over when we were
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warming up and you know, pregame and just kind of
tried to make his presence felt, and you know, I
lose my mind and and this is the receiver who
came yeah, and I lose my mind and Darrell looks
at me kind of like, coach, don't you realize what's
about to happen to him?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I'm about to go out here and kick his bleep.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I'm like, okay, well we're going to see. And
once the game started, I was like, oh wow, why did.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
That guy do that?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Like like he he stirred like and Darrell was usually
pretty calm. He stirred him up a little more than
even than than normal and it was a beatdown. And
so like right then I knew, like this kid is
just different. He's built different because because the guy, you know, Remeasure,
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the guy was better, bigger, stronger, everything. But like the
thing that I would say with with Durrell is you
know his his whole thing was he wanted to take
your heart. I want to reach in your chest, take
your heart, and I want to show it to you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Well, it's still like you're still.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Beating that mentality. I don't know how much you've you know,
got to meet and talk with Charvarius, but like that mentality,
like that killer mentality. Charvarius seems like he's got it.
Like when when I had a chance to sit down
with him, and you know, very brief you're you're you're talking,
his head spinning. He just got here. But like that,
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he doesn't lack for confidence in a way that all
I think all corners don't lack for confidence. But like,
I don't know, it just it feels like different with Charvarius.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think that that the really good ones really are
built different, and they really see themselves different. It's like,
you know, the if you've ever seen the poster of
the little baby lion looking in the mirror, and he
sees a big lion. And I think all the great
corners see themselves bigger than they are because that that
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they're gonna put their will on you, and they're never
gonna let you ever look at you and think you
have a chance. And if you got me, it was
something I did, it wasn't because you got me. And
and so I think the great ones like like kind
of play with that confidence, that swagger that that I
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can go guard anybody, and and that's certainly what he brings.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's that's very very exciting. I can't wait to see
how that plays out. All right, last one for you here, Jerome,
You've worked for a lot of great defensive minds. You know,
looked it up Monte Kiffen Wink, Martindale, Uh, you know
Rob Ryan. Uh, there's one other guy in there. I'm
I'm forgetting you know, these these great defensive coordinators. Like,
what what have you picked up just from those experiences
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with those different minds, different philosophies over the course of
your coaching career.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You know, every every time you're with somebody who you
try to pick up something that you can add in,
something that benefits you. And you know a couple of
guys you did mention. I worked for Bob Sutton, my
first boss, and worked for Dick Jaron, who I learned
a lot from. I actually played for Bill Parcells and
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Belichick was my secondary coach and coordinator at one time.
So you have all these great like and you think
about all the great minds you're around, and and you
just try to pick up pieces while still being yourself,
because I know I can't go be a Bill Parcells
and and if I do, any can't right, And if
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I tried, guys, the guys would would feel it and
sense it and be like, hey, man, get out here,
You're a fake.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Like so I try to.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Learn what I can, but still being authentically me and
and approaching things the way I think I should and
doing it the way that I think gives us the
best chance to win. So you know, from each coach though,
you really do take a lot, like like if I
think about Bob Sutton, like like in my first person
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I worked for is his ability to sit back and
remove himself from it and look at it from like
a top down view, and and really was impressed with
that with him. And then when I worked for Dick Jaron,
the thing that he did was he really didn't care
what they do. It's all about us and how fast
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we play and how simple we are. And and for him,
the simplest thing is always the best thing. And so
I learned that from him. And then as you go on,
you just pick up these little pieces from dan Quinn,
you know, you learned like the energy that that and
the confidence and the swagger that he wants to play with.
Then so you pick up these little pieces from from
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you know, each each person you work for, and you
and you learn and you can again try to make
it part parts of it, part of of what you
do and how you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's great. Well, welcome to Indy, Jerome. You'll be picking
stuff up from Lou and Romo and Shane Steichen and
everyone else around here in Indianapolis. Jerome Henderson, defensive backs
coach for the Colts, thanks for joining me here on
the Colt Show.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Joining me here on the Colt Show is secondary coach
and past game coordinator Chris Hewitt. Chris, Welcome to Indy man.
How has it been getting adjusted to this city? So far?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So far, so good? I reely like how you did that?
You know how you just pop up with the That's
that's nice, man. I love the introduction.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I've got I've got a bit of a knack for
the announcer voice. Yeah, I'm also the stadium PA announcer
right in the building, so I'm the guy who's yelling
third down when it's obviously third down. So I can
I can like snap into that voice like my kids
are always like.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I have it. I'm not. I'm not here like this
is my first time. So what is that? What is
third down? What? What is that big thing? What do
you do?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's third d like it?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I like it. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And that was even more muted but I can like
snap in and out of like certain voices.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, the inflection up and down. I like it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Now this podcast is not about me though. This is you,
Chris Hewett, newest member of our coaching staff here with
the Colts. Just tell me about like getting getting adjusted
to a new team and a new building. Because you
were in Baltimore for what twelve thirteen years? Thirteen years, yo,
that was your only stop in the NFL. You were
Rutgers before that. Just what's it been like getting used
to a new building here.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Well, I mean, obviously it's a it's a different culture.
It's a different culture, but the objective is still the same.
It's all about winning and how you get to it
is kind of the deal. So just really getting used
to the culture and the people that are around the building,
like people like you, Like you know, thirteen years in
one building, you know, you get to know everybody pretty
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much over everybody in the building.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Everybody knows you. So it's different, but it's a good adjustment.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What about working for lou Anarumo and working with lou
kind of attracted you to.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
This position because of who he was in his track
record and the style of play, that that we hope
to employ here, which we will employ here. The aggressive
style which you know I have been a part of
in Baltimore and what he did when he was in Cincinnati,
and I've known him for you know, a lot of
years just secondary coach, being in the league. And first thing, first,
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when you want to when you work with somebody, you
want to work with great people, and he's one of
those guys. Just great person, good people. And then obviously
it's football knowledge, So that's what attracted me here.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You're in the same division as him for obviously quite
some time, Like as a guy who works in the secondary,
Low's background is in the secondary. Like, right, did you
find yourself just maybe admiring like the work that he
did and the way that he deployed coverages from afar?
Like what what sort of did you see from him?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Obviously, you know, you you look at some of the
things that people do around the league, and you know,
some of the things that he's done to stop some
of our you know, some like offenses and especially going
against Baltimore, some of the things that he's done to
you know, stop Baltimore offensively. Now, sometimes it didn't work
so well, Butmar Jackson's offen because of Lamar Jackson. He's
pretty's pretty damn good. But obviously, like I said, you
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you admire what what other defenses are doing, and you
you study each other. And another thing is because he's
a secondary guy. He knows the pains and struggles that
people do are going through as a secondary coach. So
a guy has coached the secondary, he understands and he
knows how to call the game to help the secondary.
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So that's that's premium.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
When you look at the coverages that he used in Cincinnati,
I mean he played everything from your cover zero to
your drop eight, everything in between. His versatility seemed to
really stick out in terms of that as a DB's coach.
As a secondary coach, how does that does How much
of a challenge is that on you? Knowing that hey,
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Lou's gonna we're gonna change it up every week. I
got to be able to coach these guys to whatever
the game plan is, Like, how does that impact you?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I don't know any different because I've come from a
a defense that has multiple coverages from zero to two
to three fours, different form of fours. Six is we
play it all? There's no defense or any kind of
coverage that I haven't played. You know, different nuances within
the defenses that he that he has that I that
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i've you know, probably haven't haven't played, but interested to
learn them and go through it. But those are the
type of things that I'm used to, so I don't
blink and I when somebody says, hey, we're gonna do this,
we're gonna do that, whatever, let's go.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I've done it before.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I want to talk a little bit about Baltimore because
when I was reading through your bio, John Harbaugh coached
you for a year in college.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Right, for all the I was in Universe sisinnat five years,
all five years.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
John Harbor was a five years Yeah, he was there.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
He a special teams coordinator, right, yeah, so I was
a a lot of pounds, but a lot of pounds
before that, but I was I was a kick return
I was pretty good. So yeah, yeah, that's what what
he coached me from. And then we developed that relationship
over a long time.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
The point I want to make there is like you
never know who's going to be important in your life,
like early on, right, and a lesson that I always
tell I mean, you know, working in like the media
space I always tell people is like, you never know
who can help you out later in life.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's cool seeing that from a coaching perspective because I
when I was even talking to Lou, he coached with
Joe Philbin at the Merchant Marine Academy, right, and then
Joe Filben was the one who gave him his first
NFL job and hired him in Miami. Like you've you've
lived that, Yeah, Like if you're giving advice out to
a young coach you know, or someone who's in the
football space who maybe wants to go into something after it,
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would you kind of use that experience of you with
coach Harbaugh as an example of that, Hey, you never
know who can help you out?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Well, I mean you you explained it very well. I mean,
especially in this business, coaching, coaching profession, it's all about relationships.
When you go through a season and being going through
a season, it's tough, it's hard. You want to be
with somebody who you can trust, somebody that you can
count on. That's what it's all about. So most coaches gets.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
What they do. They go with people who they know
and people who they can trust.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Obviously they got to be knowledgeable, but trust is a
big important.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
What about Mike Ditka? Tell me about playing for Mike
Ditka for three years into world I'm a Chicago guy.
I got to ask about Mike Ditka.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Well, I didn't have any like a great relationship with
Mike dickad Like obviously when I like when I was
when I was playing, I was like the fifty second
guy on the roster, you know what I'm saying. So
I didn't have a great relationship with him. I got
cussed out a lot, got damn near cut like five
times within the game, within a game, within a game.
You know, he's he's one of those guys. He's real emotional,
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gets he gets going. But throughout the week great dude,
you know you never really heard heard much from him,
but come Sunday man, different cat, different cat.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
But Mike was great. He was great.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'm curious as you just you now are fifteen years
into coaching, you know in the NFL. I know you
had a lot of experience in Greg Ciano back at Rutgers,
Like how do you just kind of pick and pick
those things from a Mike Ditka, from a John Harbaugh,
from a Greg Ciano that you've now picked up that
have kind of helped you term, you know, become the
coach you are today.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Well, I mean, it doesn't matter who the guy is.
You can in coaching. You can learn a lot from
from an intern, you can learn a lot from you know.
It's it's all about perspective and being able to get
those little soundbites things that that's going to get across
to the players the fastest and the easiest way. So
I learned from a lot of coaches, but obviously Greg
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and John they they are big influential guys in my
coaching career because that I learned a lot from both
of those guys, and obviously both of those men they
have been highly successful. So but again it's all about
trying to get your self what's the word I'm looking for,
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really just being able to communicate, communicate with the players
and being able to get those sound bites and get
it across really fast.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So, but it doesn't it doesn't have to.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Come from a John Harbor or it could be anybody.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's that efficiency and like your messaging.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
And your that's right points, that's right.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
How has how has the coaching profession maybe evolved in
your time. Specifically, let's talk about in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Oh, the first one will probably be this change is analytics.
Analytics has become a big part of football and how you.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
You draft a player, how you.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
How what kind of defenses you're gonna you're gonna use
versus you know, a particular quarterback or you know. It's
it's it's it's kind of been game changing where a
lot of times you because of analytics, because you have
guys who can go through all of that, you know,
the PFF and all those things, you can get to
a game plan a lot faster through analytics.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Is that something that I don't know, I feel like
a lot of like, like I used to do a
lot of stuff in baseball, and baseball there was like
this huge resistance to analytics from like the coaches, right,
and now the sport's completely flipped where it's I think
it's almost too analytically heavy. But for football, like it's
it's a tool that you can use, but it's not
the only thing.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Definitely not the only thing. But what what it can
do is drive you to a conclusion faster. So somebody
gives you some information and you know, say they say,
all right, this guy, he really struggles with.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
The middle of field close.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Okay, all right, well let me look at all the
middle of field clothing and you go through it and
be like, oh, yeah, he really does or or it's
a different coverage and you know, their analytical data is
coming out as a middle field closed and it's it's
covered zero as. I'm sorry, you don't know what you're
talking about. So my point is sometimes it can and
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it can skew things too, so you still have to
do the work, but you can get to a conclusion faster.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The development of like secondaries over maybe the last fifteen years,
it feels like there's a lot of creativity that has
come with certain guy's roles. And this is going to
be a Kyle Hamilton question for you, Like when you
got Kyle Hamilton in there from Notre Dame and like,
how did you and the defensive coaching staff begin to
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envision a role for him and how much outside the
box thinking did it take to get him to where
he is now, which is like, you know, an all
pro safety in the league.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Well, it's all about getting the guy into the right position.
And with a guy like Kyle, he's really like in
one on one. He's really a unicorn. There's not a
whole lot of people or human beings walking around like him.
But what is he He's almost He's six foot four,
two hundred and seventeen pounds.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
He runs like a deer.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
He can bend, he can bled, he does damn everything
very good to elite level. So honestly, if you put
Kyle anywhere, he's gonna he was gonna flourish. It was
all ready about just his experience getting on the field
and knowing things, and it really regardless of where you
put him, he was gonna he was gonna flourish. He's
just one of those individuals. He's one on one. You know,
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guys like Ed Reid, they're just they're just one of one.
And he's that type of guy.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
With the new guys of the Colts brought in in
Travarious Ward and cam buying them, how do you see
their their skill sets both mentally and physically fitting into
this defense in what you and Jerome and Lou want
to accomplish in the back end.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Well, obviously, when we looked at, you know, guys to
help us in the secondary, you're looking for smart, physical,
tough football players, and those guys embody all of those things.
They're smart, they're physical, and they're tough. And building the team,
building the defense, that's the most thing you want. Smart, physical,
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tough football players. And with Cam he's kind of like
the brain back there. He's able to line everybody up
and be able to control the defense, the quarterback of it.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
On the back end.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
You saw all those things evident what he was doing
with the Minnesota Vikings, making plays and being able to
control guys. But his physicality, his toughness, tracking the football,
all those things, they were all there.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
He was just a.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Dost everything right. So when you have a person who
just does everything right, that's the kind of guy that
you want out there on the field with you because
you're gonna win football games with them. And Javari's press corner,
he's gonna be able to eliminate that that number one receiver,
gonna be able to challenge guys at the line of scrimmage,
disrupt the timing, and they all experience and all the
(37:48):
things that he's done throughout his career, he hasn't slowed down.
So that's the reason why why he's here. Those again, smart, tough, physical,
football players.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
When you've got those two veteran in you know, Tarvarius
and Cam and then also Kenny Moore, the second a
guy is a Pro Bowl corner right, you know, has
been really productive here in Indye. Just does that allow
you to do anything different than if you maybe had
a very young secondary back there.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
You would like to think so, But it's all about
once we get out on the grass, because I don't
want I don't want to speak too early about what's
gonna happen. So we really got to get on the
grass and get that chemistry going and really find out
what we can do and what we cannot do. It's
gonna it's gonna be experiment early on until we find
out what we really do well. But if you're starting
with I can't anymore, you're starting with the camp. I mean,
(38:40):
that's pretty good players, You're going to be pretty good
regardless of what you do.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Isn't that the case every year?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
That it's kind of an experiment at this time because rooms.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Change, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it's all like again, it's it's
about the chemistry and how how how guys are able
to move and how they'll be able to communicate. That's
number one thing, especially in the back end, is the communicator.
And if they can communicate and then if they understand
each other, usually ends up pretty good awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
All right, Well, Chris Hewitt, secondary coach and past game
coordinator here, what the cult snakes are joining me here
on the Colt Show.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
All right,
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