May 15, 2025 • 24 mins
JJ Stankevitz is joined at the Olympic Stadium in Berlin by Colts director of football operations Melainey Lowe for a conversation about the logistical challenges that come with playing an NFL game in another country, as the Colts will do in Berlin this fall against the Atlanta Falcons. Lowe explains the strangest hurdles that come with a football team traveling to another country but also why international games are such a fulfilling aspect of her job. JJ also brings back The Colts Show Mailbag for an insightful question about Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones and Tyler Warren.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, Colts fans. I'm JJ Sankobitz and welcome in to
another episode of The Colt Show in Indianapolis Colts podcast,
and I am in Berlin, Germany at the Olympic Stadium.
If you don't believe me, look here, I know there's
producer Drew. You can sort of see the field in
the background, see the whole stadium if you're watching this
on YouTube, if you're listening on audio, just believe me.
(00:26):
This podcast is coming to you from Berlin, and I'm
going to have a conversation with Colts Director of football
Operations Mulaney Lowe coming up here in a bit. We're
going to talk all about the logistical challenges not just
of hosting a game internationally, but hosting a game internationally
in Germany and in a city that has not hosted
an NFL regular season game. So we're kind of figuring
(00:49):
this all out with the NFL, the Colts are whoever
the Cults are playing. By the way, just as a disclaimer,
I don't know the Cults are playing yet. We're filming
this in April, we don't know the day of the game,
we don't know the opponent. By the time you watch this, though,
I'm guessing you're probably gonna know the name of the
opponent and the day the game is being played, so
be sure to start thinking about travel plans because I
can't recommend this city enough to come out here. But
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this is a big undertaking. Again, the NFL has never
played a game in Berlin. They did some preseason games
back in the early nineties, those obviously not the same,
and the logistical challenges probably even if back in the
nineties versus now are completely different. I mean, no one
had phone chargers back in the nineties. No, you didn't
have to worry about, well, how am I going to
plug into this European outlet to get my phone charged.
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The point though, of bringing millenion for this she deals
with football operations, which means team travel. It means making
sure the hotel is safe and set up. We're gonna
get into a lot of that, but there's just so
much that goes into even a road game domestically in
the United States that is just amplified even more the
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challenges when you go to another country. You know it's Germany,
so guess what languag jerging is. They're probably gonna speak German,
so you have to navigate some language barriers. This is
going to be a huge challenge for the Colts. But
like Mulaney has said previously, this is sort of like
the Super Bowl of work for football operations departments is
getting a game internationally. So excited for you guys to
(02:15):
hear my conversation with Mulaney, But just real quick, like,
I want to talk about Berlin as a city because
I've been here for a couple of days now. In April,
I did twenty nine thousand steps, which is crazy that
my feet really hurt the first day I got here.
But I walked all around the city and it's such
a vibrant city. It's got a very interesting blend of
new things, old things. There's graffiti everywhere, but it's not
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like you know, oh, I can't believe this is all
this graffiti everywhere. It's like very artistic. It's such a
cool city. I could not recommend it enough. If you're
thinking about it, What better excuse are you're gonna have
to come to Berlin than it comes see the Colts
play this game sometime during the twenty twenty five season. Again,
by now you can probably insert that right there. You're
gonna know when it is sobody cool restaurants, some many
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cool spots to go, things to see. It is a
fascinating city. I've fallen in love with it being here
for the last couple of days. But enough about me
and my experience in Berlin. I hope you get to
experience it this fall. Let's get to my conversation with
Mulaney Low. All right, I'm here with Colts Director of
Football Operations Mulaney Low, and we are at the Olympic
(03:21):
Stadium in Berlin. What an incredible setting for I mean,
right now, there's nothing really going on out there, but
just walking into the stadium to be able to envision
what it's going to look like on game day come,
you know, whenever the game is. I already told everyone
you know, we don't know what it is yet as
we're taping this right now. Before we get into kind
of just the logistics of what goes on in getting
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an international game set up, just Molane, I want to
kind of explain your job as director of football Operations.
So when people ask you, well, what do you do
with the Colts, I'm going to ask you that right now,
what do you do with the Colts?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Absolutely, I would say football ops really entails everything. I
think when people think of football ops they think hotel transportation,
but it's so much more. I mean, really, we help
collaborate with all the different departments. So what does athletic
training need, what does equipment need? We take all these
needs and wants, even from our head coach and our
GM and combine them and then we find the best
solution with everybody's input on what we should do. And
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so that can go plane, train, automobiles, you name it.
And it's also taking care of player requests. So we start,
you know, there's coaches relocation, all the way to the
draft and then into season. So our job is throughout
the season really assisting the team with anything they need. Oftentimes,
if someone doesn't know where to go to, we try
to be that person that can help them navigate anything.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And the end goal there is you're trying to make
the experience as streamlined as and as maybe headache free
as possible, so they have they have all their focus
on going out there and preparing to win games, to
train whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Absolutely, and that's one of the most difficult things I
would say, is Okay, how can we and it goes
for any trip. How can we make it so seamless
that the guys all they have to focus on is football?
And here there are differences between Germany and the United States.
How can we limit those make it feel as much
like home, but still give them a true German experience.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Okay, so what's maybe the weirdest thing you have to
consider in preparing guys to be in Germany?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, the bed size, so both the length of the
bed and then also the with so sometimes we have
to put two twin beds together. No one would ever
know because there's a mattress topper that goes on top,
and most times they don't and we try to, you know,
limit that to just staff. But I would say even
the length, like our guys, you know, seven foot six foot,
often struggle with that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So the bed size though, I mean Germans are tall
like dark Navisky's from this country, that you'd think that
that's not something I would have even ever thought about.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And two comforters as well, so they have one on
each side of the bed, which is great. I mean
for the players, they can just figure out how to
use it. But that's one of the other interesting things.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That we face.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What about like items you have.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
To bring over, items we have to bring over. So
what we saw last time was also like food. The
guys are very particular, They're very regiment on what foods
you know, they prefer, and so our dietitian does a
great job of Okay, if we have a certain brand
of ketchup that we like, we have to send that over.
If there's a certain fan or you know, certain products,
medic medications, all those things we have to think through
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and how we have to ship them over here. And
there's also restrictions from going to the US to Germany
and what they allow into the country. So those are
things that we actually, I mean, as soon as we
found out we're starting to plan, there's a thing called
a karnee, so we put everything on the carne in
that list, the size, the weight, very very specific things
on that piece of paper, and then that way we
get to preapproved to bring it into the country.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I'm guessing the process of playing games internationally, the NFL
has probably honed that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Over the years.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yes, absolutely certainly now hosting a couple games in Germany,
But has there been anything that's come up on this
trip about it being in Berlin and it being the
first time the NFL has had a regular season game
in Berlin, that has maybe stood out as a potential challenge.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Truly, No, Berlin is very very similar to Frankfurt, which
is great for us.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To Frankfort.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We hadn't gone since twenty sixteen, so there was a
lot of time in which our team has changed, our
needs have changed, just the NFL in general, so that
was kind of starting from scratch as long as as
well as our carne list. From twenty sixteen to twenty
twenty three, a lot had changed. So now that we're
going now two years later, our carnes are up to date.
A lot of the things that we do are very similar,
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so that is very reassuring. I would say Frankfort and
Berlin are very similar. I think it's a country thing,
you know, very similar city to city.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Is there much of a language barrier?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I would say no, truly on all of our meetings
so far today, you know, there was only probably one
instance where there was a language barrier, and luckily we
had a great support system around us that could translate.
But other than that, most speak English.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
What did you maybe learn from the Frankfort experience, because
that that game. You know, we hadn't played internationally, like
you said, in seven years. I believe that was your
first international game. Exactly did you joined the Colts? What
did you take away from that that's maybe helped you
out in this experience.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Great question knowing what questions to ask, So you don't
know until you do it, you don't know what's different.
We go over once we go over for a span
of this time, two days, and so you have to
absorb as much information, but it takes so much time
to absorb what you're seeing and knowing that that a
lot of the questions you don't you ask are later
on in the process. So it's knowing what to ask,
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what will the NFL provide? What are some things that
we might face coming to another country. So I think
a lot of those questions we learned through the process,
we learned in real time, and now this time around,
we know in twenty twenty five that those are the
questions we have to ask.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
What has this trip been? This has been kind of
like this advanced scouting trip that you know, football operations
is on us on the marketing content business side are
also on what have you got out of this trip
or what did you need to get.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Out of this trip?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
This trip was to see hotels primarily hotels, stadium, airport,
and practice site, so all the things that players would
go to. So hotels, do can they accommo date our
meeting rooms? We have, you know, meetings just like we
would at the facility. Do we have enough for every breakout,
every position, group, practice site?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Are the fields up to our standards here in America?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Will they accommodate you know, music, lights, all the things
that we need to hold a practice.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Privacy, privacy huge.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And then also the stadium, so locker room, coaches, booth,
the player buses where they will arrive, just start to
finish everything that you can imagine.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And then the airport.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
How do we get the players in and how do
we get them out without and again privacy keeping them
from the public and making sure that they're secure.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Is there maybe you know, you we do road games
obviously eight of them every year, nine of them every year.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Whatever it might be.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is there something about you know, this is technically a
home game for the cults. Is there something about this
trip internationally that is wildly different from a domestic road game.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I think there's a lot more to it just because
there's more days, right, so we usually we fly in
and the next day we're playing a game. Well, now
we need a practice site, we need more meetings, We
need to make this trip exactly like it would be
at home preparing for a game. And because it's a
home game, right, usually you have the home game advantage,
so you have your own facilities there leading up to
(10:10):
the game. So our job is, okay, how can we
limit distractions, make the players feel at home, but also
get an experience here being in Germany. But yes, this
trip has been tremendous for us, just because we need
to get eyes on everything and then just start the
planning process. And it truly does take from now until
we play the game, just those little details to fine tune.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I know your players get a little bit of free
time when they're on the road, but they're here for
a game.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You kind of mentioned you want everything to be streamlined
so they can they can get their work in, but
you do want them to have the.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Experience of being absolutely yes, how.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Much of a challenge is that though, being in another
country and still you know, okay, we're here for here
for a game.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
We got to win this game.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right, we just flew eight hours across the ocean, whatever
it might be, but hey, we do want you to
feel like you're in Germany like this trip was.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yes, you know a little more special.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yes, And that's another layer to our job. So how
can we create experiences for them but keep it you know,
private and secure, So that's one of our jobs. Will
set up buses so that they escort them downtown, will
have security around the city, just keeping eyes on and
making sure that they're secure, and also transporting them back
and having you know, a time and wish they have
to be back to the hotel to check in, to
make sure we're all good for the next day.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You kind of talked a little bit about food and
you know what Lee Hull at the you know our
team dietitian does. How does the training table look, you know,
the food offerings at the hotel. How difficult is that
to replicate what you would get in America?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yes, with German it's one of my favorite parts. Actually
the trip in Frankfurt, our food was phenomenal and so
the expectation, the bar has been set high and we
try to make it so. Like I said, you know,
guys have regimens they have preferences, and so we try
to make sure that they have those options that they
normally have in the States, so that if they have,
you know, certain dietary issues or you know that we
(11:52):
have to accommodate, they have them, but also give them
the ability to try new foods. We're here in Germany,
we want to make sure that we can play into
the local cuisine and so have options are standard American
options and then you have your German options as well.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
What is maybe the more I don't want to say challenging,
but the biggest day for you just in terms of operations.
Is it the day the team arrives and you know,
you go to the hotel, you go to practice, or
is it game day? And pulling that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Off, I would say arrival, team arrival. So so myself
and a group of others will advance a couple of
days before just to get everything set for the team
before they get here. And I think those days leading
up to and the day of arrival is the most
crucial and the most stressful. It's also the biggest moment.
So once the guys walk through those doors, you just
have a breath of fresh air, like okay, they're here,
(12:39):
they're safe, you know, and then from there we've planned
so much. We've taken six months to plan. As long
as you know, we did our work, which we will,
everything will kind of play out how it's supposed to.
Game day is always, you know, a pinch me moment.
It's a great experience to be able to stand in
this crowd and Frankfort the fans were incredible and the
energy in the stadium. So that's one of those times
where you get to enjoy the moment and then we're
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back to business once the game ends. It's okay, we
got to get to the team to the airport and
get out of the country.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So I think that's another stressful moment with.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So many things to think about it, so many things
boxes you have to check, you do you are able
to take a time some time to kind of you know,
look around and okay, like look at how cool this is,
Like you are able to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yes, I would say standing on the sideline is one
of those moments where you just get to you know,
I always tell everybody around me, they're like, never forget
those moments. It's something that you know, I was taught
in college early on. Is you know you do so
much and that you have to enjoy those little moments
when you can, and I feel like on this the
sideline is one of those moments.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I want to talk about your background cause you mentioned college.
You were at Saint Mary's, YEP, and then you were
in equipment.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Correct intern Yes, editor, you get a manager at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
How did that set you on a path to become
an operations director for an NFL team?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
If you would have told me when I was an
equipment manager that that would be able to be a
path for football operations, I had no idea. And the
more you talk to people in the NFL, the more
you realize equipment really is a lot of times people's
first job in the NFL or college football really teaches
you great foundational skills. You do a lot of work.
I mean, it's a hard job, and I have so
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much respect for equipment managers, but I think you see
so much and you help so many people that it
helps you have that operational mindset. And then having great
people here at the cults of you know, to teach
me operations. I think you just have to have the
right mindset, the right drive, and you can accomplish anything.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
What are some of those skills you picked up early
on in equipment?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Honestly detail oriented and just have passion for what you do.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It shows and everything that you do.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you have passion and also just willing to help,
willing to do anything the small tasks, the gross jobs
that no one else wants to do, like that sets
you apart.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That's something that you know. I'm sure a lot of
people watching this they might want to get into the
NFL themselves. Like people always ask me, and I'm sure
you get this too, like how can I get in
the NFL?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Like what do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think the point about passion for it, just what
do you need me to do?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Is almost maybe the better question, Yes exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I mean you put a lot of time in a
lot of work, so you have to be willing to
put in those hours and just keep you know, keep
focused because it takes a long time, and you know,
you do a lot of different things, but the end goals,
it's pretty special.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So we fly here to Berlin with the team, you know,
sometime during the season, and the game goes off and
we get back on the plane coming home. What is
Melanie low kind of like thinking about what do you
hope you reflect on out of this experience.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Probably a little sleep deprived at that time, so I'm
probably thinking of getting a quick nap on the flight.
But you know, we make sure we have everybody accounted for,
and once you know that they're all on the plane,
it's it's the best feeling to know we just did that.
You know, we collectively as a staff as a team,
and hopefully we will get that win. I know we
will get that win, and that's an even better feeling
just to get on that plane and just know everything
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went smoothly.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You did your part in you know, getting the team
to win.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And yeah, probably sleep deprived, and once we hand those
passports back out at the airport or we are good,
it's a good feeling.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Something you mentioned you did an interview with NFL dot
com I believe it was last year, and something you
mentioned it was just like that feeling of being something
bigger than yourself, and that I think you just sort
of described it there of like, yes, you get on
the plane and you know, I know I did my
part to help do this. That's something that's almost like indescribable.
If you are a part of a not just a
team of like like an NFL team like the Colts. Yes,
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I mean that's something I know. I feel when I do,
you know, the streaming announcing. It's like, this is something
that's way bigger than just me exactly, and that's a
really cool thing to be a part of in the league.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And truly, I think it wasn't until I went to Frankfurt.
Like you go to games throughout the United States and
they're very very special, don't get me wrong, but there
was something about seeing the stands in Frankfurt and seeing
people from all different countries coming together for one event,
specifically to watch two teams play, and it's just incredible.
Like bringing people together and knowing you were a small
part of that bigger picture is incredible and it's something
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really special and I'm grateful the NFL is doing because
it brings you. You know, we still talk to our
hotel contacts and our friends in Frankfort and those are lifetime,
lifelong friends that you make throughout this process that are
just you can't put, you know, put it into words.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I think you also mentioned that NFL dot Com interview
the International Games are a they're the super Bowl for
football operations. I mean doing it twice now in the
span of three years for you, that has to be
a pretty significant career accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It is pretty exciting. I can't alli to you being
on this trip here. It's just it's a pinch me
moments that you get to plan something this large and
to do it twice in two years, like you're saying,
it is just incredible. It is like the Super Bowl,
you know, one day, I'm really excited to hopefully plan that.
But until then, I mean, this is a really large
thing and we're looking forward to it. We're really excited,
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and having done it recently makes it that much just
a little bit easier.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
All right, Melani Low, director of football Operations for the Colts,
thanks for being our guest here on the Colt Show.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Thank you so much for having me all.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Right back here on the Colts Show. So we talked
about the Germany game. We now know obviously that is
the Colts playing the Atlanta Falcons on November ninth, in
Week ten at Olympic Stadium in Berlin. When Millenia and
I tape that as we talked about we didn't know
who the opponent was going to be or when the
game was going to be. If you want a full
breakdown of the Colts twenty twenty five regular season schedule,
(18:22):
check out Instant Reaction that is out right now on
all platforms, or you get your Colts podcasts YouTube, Spotify,
Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Go check that out.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Casey Valier and Lara Overton broke down every game that
the Colts will play this season, So I'm gonna leave
the breakdown of the regular season two Case and Learra
on that podcast. So again, go check out Instant Reaction.
But I do want to get to the Colt Show
mail bag. Remember you can submit your questions a couple
of ways on Colts dot com Slash mailbag. You can
tweet them at me, you can slide into my Instagram
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dms if that's your thing, or you can leave a
comment on the YouTube video of this podcast. This week's
question comes from Brian Carter from Arnoldsburg, West Virginia. A
really good question here. Brian writes, I believe Tyler Warren
is the critical piece that the Colts offense has been missing.
I personally hope that he will unlock Anthony Richardson's potential
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as a high level quarterback, But knowing the styles that
we have seen from both Richardson and Daniel Jones, I'm
afraid that Jones will benefit more from having that short
over the middle option in the passing game. My question
is which quarterback do you think will benefit more from
adding Warren to the offense and what will that look like.
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This is a really really good question, and I've got
a couple one similar to it over the last couple
of weeks, where, like I think, on its surface, I
think the answer that Brian is hinting at here is
it's gonna benefit Daniel Jones Moore, where Jones is the
guy who's more likely to throw the ball between zero
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and twenty yards beyond the line of scrimmage, right. But
I think that this is interesting from the sense that
how does Warren impact Anthony Richardson? Because I think, you know,
you look at what Warren could do with a quarterback
who's gonna kind of pepper that yardage, and you might
be thinking, in your upper upper level case, that's kind
of what Gardner, Minshew and Aidan O'Connell did last year
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with Brock Bauers with the Las Vegas Raiders, where Bowers
broke Mike Ditka's rookie receptions record for a tight end.
I think for Richardson, though, I think you need to
view it holistically. With this offense, where Richardson's gonna get
the ball to Tyler Warren, we haven't seen Anthony Richardson
with a tight end like Tyler Warren who can control
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the middle of the field. So first and foremost, it's
like a is it like a cant or won't thing
with Anthony Richardson in that part of the field. Where
is it he wasn't able to over the last couple
of years or is that not a strength of his game?
I think we're going to figure that out this year
if Tyler Warren is the player the Colts believe he is.
But the other part of it is this will have
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this again, it's this is gravitational effect on the Colts offense.
Where a view of a guy who can control the
middle of the field ten to twenty yards in between
the numbers, that opens up more for a Michael Pittman
junior at Josh Downs and ad Mitchell and Alec Pierce
to be more effective wide receivers. Defenses just are they're
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gonna have to change the way they play, where if okay,
you know, if your linebackers aren't getting good depth and
you know your safeties have to be on the same page,
maybe there's a room for Tyler Warren in there, or
maybe your safeties can't be as wide to take try
to take away those deep shots to Alec Pierce. So
that's gonna be just like, I don't know how it's
gonna look, I really don't know, but I think there's
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a world in which Tyler Warren almost maybe has more
of an impact with Anthony richards And this is again,
if everything works out, he almost has more of an impact,
not because of the receptions and the yards that he's getting,
but because of just the impact he has on the
entire Colts offense. That right there, I'm fascinated to see
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how it plays out. And again, look, if it is
Daniel Jones and Warren is the player who I think
we all think he can be, even as a rookie,
he probably is gonna get quite a few catches. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that the offense is going to
be better with Jones and Warren than with Richardson and Warren.
It just might be different. And I think you know,
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there are different strengths, different weaknesses. If the Colts are
going to be an explosive offense, though, and it's Richardson
behind center, Warren in there can help this offense be
more explosive, even if he's not gonna get ninety catches
or whatever you know Bowers had last year, whatever it
was so really interested to just again, it's that gravitational pull.
And you know, for Brian's question here, I think they'll
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both benefit. And I think that's kind of a lame answer,
but I think they both will benefit. They're just gonna
benefit in different ways, if that makes sense. All right, Again,
really good question. Shout out to Brian Carner from Arnoldsburg,
West Virginia. Remember submit those questions to me on social media,
get him in at Coults dot com, slash mailbag and
in the YouTube comments of this episode. We're gonna be
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back next week. And speaking of Tyler Warren got a
really fun episode coming out next Thursday for you guys.
I had a chance to talk with James Franklin, head
coach at Penn State about Tyler Warren. Had a really
interesting chat, great insight. I mean, who better to give
us some insight into who Tyler Warren is as a
player and as a person than the guy who coached
him for the last four years at Penn State in
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James Franklin. That episode will be out a week from today,
and be sure to also check out the latest episode
of High Volume with Jeffrey Gorman that's out on YouTube,
that's out on wherever you get your podcasts. All of
the above, and again check out the schedule release episode
of Instant Reaction wherever you get your colts podcasts. That's
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gonna do it for this episode of the Cult Show
in Indianapolis Colts podcast, I'm JJ Stankowitz. Talk to you
next week here on The Coach Show.
Hey, Colts fans. I'm JJ Sankobitz and welcome in to
another episode of The Colt Show in Indianapolis Colts podcast,
and I am in Berlin, Germany at the Olympic Stadium.
If you don't believe me, look here, I know there's
producer Drew. You can sort of see the field in
the background, see the whole stadium if you're watching this
on YouTube, if you're listening on audio, just believe me.
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This podcast is coming to you from Berlin, and I'm
going to have a conversation with Colts Director of football
Operations Mulaney Lowe coming up here in a bit. We're
going to talk all about the logistical challenges not just
of hosting a game internationally, but hosting a game internationally
in Germany and in a city that has not hosted
an NFL regular season game. So we're kind of figuring
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this all out with the NFL, the Colts are whoever
the Cults are playing. By the way, just as a disclaimer,
I don't know the Cults are playing yet. We're filming
this in April, we don't know the day of the game,
we don't know the opponent. By the time you watch this, though,
I'm guessing you're probably gonna know the name of the
opponent and the day the game is being played, so
be sure to start thinking about travel plans because I
can't recommend this city enough to come out here. But
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this is a big undertaking. Again, the NFL has never
played a game in Berlin. They did some preseason games
back in the early nineties, those obviously not the same,
and the logistical challenges probably even if back in the
nineties versus now are completely different. I mean, no one
had phone chargers back in the nineties. No, you didn't
have to worry about, well, how am I going to
plug into this European outlet to get my phone charged.
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The point though, of bringing millenion for this she deals
with football operations, which means team travel. It means making
sure the hotel is safe and set up. We're gonna
get into a lot of that, but there's just so
much that goes into even a road game domestically in
the United States that is just amplified even more the
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challenges when you go to another country. You know it's Germany,
so guess what languag jerging is. They're probably gonna speak German,
so you have to navigate some language barriers. This is
going to be a huge challenge for the Colts. But
like Mulaney has said previously, this is sort of like
the Super Bowl of work for football operations departments is
getting a game internationally. So excited for you guys to
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hear my conversation with Mulaney, But just real quick, like,
I want to talk about Berlin as a city because
I've been here for a couple of days now. In April,
I did twenty nine thousand steps, which is crazy that
my feet really hurt the first day I got here.
But I walked all around the city and it's such
a vibrant city. It's got a very interesting blend of
new things, old things. There's graffiti everywhere, but it's not
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like you know, oh, I can't believe this is all
this graffiti everywhere. It's like very artistic. It's such a
cool city. I could not recommend it enough. If you're
thinking about it, What better excuse are you're gonna have
to come to Berlin than it comes see the Colts
play this game sometime during the twenty twenty five season. Again,
by now you can probably insert that right there. You're
gonna know when it is sobody cool restaurants, some many
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cool spots to go, things to see. It is a
fascinating city. I've fallen in love with it being here
for the last couple of days. But enough about me
and my experience in Berlin. I hope you get to
experience it this fall. Let's get to my conversation with
Mulaney Low. All right, I'm here with Colts Director of
Football Operations Mulaney Low, and we are at the Olympic
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Stadium in Berlin. What an incredible setting for I mean,
right now, there's nothing really going on out there, but
just walking into the stadium to be able to envision
what it's going to look like on game day come,
you know, whenever the game is. I already told everyone
you know, we don't know what it is yet as
we're taping this right now. Before we get into kind
of just the logistics of what goes on in getting
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an international game set up, just Molane, I want to
kind of explain your job as director of football Operations.
So when people ask you, well, what do you do
with the Colts, I'm going to ask you that right now,
what do you do with the Colts?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Absolutely, I would say football ops really entails everything. I
think when people think of football ops they think hotel transportation,
but it's so much more. I mean, really, we help
collaborate with all the different departments. So what does athletic
training need, what does equipment need? We take all these
needs and wants, even from our head coach and our
GM and combine them and then we find the best
solution with everybody's input on what we should do. And
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so that can go plane, train, automobiles, you name it.
And it's also taking care of player requests. So we start,
you know, there's coaches relocation, all the way to the
draft and then into season. So our job is throughout
the season really assisting the team with anything they need. Oftentimes,
if someone doesn't know where to go to, we try
to be that person that can help them navigate anything.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And the end goal there is you're trying to make
the experience as streamlined as and as maybe headache free
as possible, so they have they have all their focus
on going out there and preparing to win games, to
train whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Absolutely, and that's one of the most difficult things I
would say, is Okay, how can we and it goes
for any trip. How can we make it so seamless
that the guys all they have to focus on is football?
And here there are differences between Germany and the United States.
How can we limit those make it feel as much
like home, but still give them a true German experience.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Okay, so what's maybe the weirdest thing you have to
consider in preparing guys to be in Germany?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, the bed size, so both the length of the
bed and then also the with so sometimes we have
to put two twin beds together. No one would ever
know because there's a mattress topper that goes on top,
and most times they don't and we try to, you know,
limit that to just staff. But I would say even
the length, like our guys, you know, seven foot six foot,
often struggle with that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So the bed size though, I mean Germans are tall
like dark Navisky's from this country, that you'd think that
that's not something I would have even ever thought about.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And two comforters as well, so they have one on
each side of the bed, which is great. I mean
for the players, they can just figure out how to
use it. But that's one of the other interesting things.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That we face.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What about like items you have.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
To bring over, items we have to bring over. So
what we saw last time was also like food. The
guys are very particular, They're very regiment on what foods
you know, they prefer, and so our dietitian does a
great job of Okay, if we have a certain brand
of ketchup that we like, we have to send that over.
If there's a certain fan or you know, certain products,
medic medications, all those things we have to think through
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and how we have to ship them over here. And
there's also restrictions from going to the US to Germany
and what they allow into the country. So those are
things that we actually, I mean, as soon as we
found out we're starting to plan, there's a thing called
a karnee, so we put everything on the carne in
that list, the size, the weight, very very specific things
on that piece of paper, and then that way we
get to preapproved to bring it into the country.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I'm guessing the process of playing games internationally, the NFL
has probably honed that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Over the years.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yes, absolutely certainly now hosting a couple games in Germany,
But has there been anything that's come up on this
trip about it being in Berlin and it being the
first time the NFL has had a regular season game
in Berlin, that has maybe stood out as a potential challenge.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Truly, No, Berlin is very very similar to Frankfurt, which
is great for us.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To Frankfort.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We hadn't gone since twenty sixteen, so there was a
lot of time in which our team has changed, our
needs have changed, just the NFL in general, so that
was kind of starting from scratch as long as as
well as our carne list. From twenty sixteen to twenty
twenty three, a lot had changed. So now that we're
going now two years later, our carnes are up to date.
A lot of the things that we do are very similar,
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so that is very reassuring. I would say Frankfort and
Berlin are very similar. I think it's a country thing,
you know, very similar city to city.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Is there much of a language barrier?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I would say no, truly on all of our meetings
so far today, you know, there was only probably one
instance where there was a language barrier, and luckily we
had a great support system around us that could translate.
But other than that, most speak English.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
What did you maybe learn from the Frankfort experience, because
that that game. You know, we hadn't played internationally, like
you said, in seven years. I believe that was your
first international game. Exactly did you joined the Colts? What
did you take away from that that's maybe helped you
out in this experience.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Great question knowing what questions to ask, So you don't
know until you do it, you don't know what's different.
We go over once we go over for a span
of this time, two days, and so you have to
absorb as much information, but it takes so much time
to absorb what you're seeing and knowing that that a
lot of the questions you don't you ask are later
on in the process. So it's knowing what to ask,
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what will the NFL provide? What are some things that
we might face coming to another country. So I think
a lot of those questions we learned through the process,
we learned in real time, and now this time around,
we know in twenty twenty five that those are the
questions we have to ask.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
What has this trip been? This has been kind of
like this advanced scouting trip that you know, football operations
is on us on the marketing content business side are
also on what have you got out of this trip
or what did you need to get.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Out of this trip?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
This trip was to see hotels primarily hotels, stadium, airport,
and practice site, so all the things that players would
go to. So hotels, do can they accommo date our
meeting rooms? We have, you know, meetings just like we
would at the facility. Do we have enough for every breakout,
every position, group, practice site?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Are the fields up to our standards here in America?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Will they accommodate you know, music, lights, all the things
that we need to hold a practice.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Privacy, privacy huge.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And then also the stadium, so locker room, coaches, booth,
the player buses where they will arrive, just start to
finish everything that you can imagine.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And then the airport.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
How do we get the players in and how do
we get them out without and again privacy keeping them
from the public and making sure that they're secure.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Is there maybe you know, you we do road games
obviously eight of them every year, nine of them every year.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Whatever it might be.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is there something about you know, this is technically a
home game for the cults. Is there something about this
trip internationally that is wildly different from a domestic road game.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I think there's a lot more to it just because
there's more days, right, so we usually we fly in
and the next day we're playing a game. Well, now
we need a practice site, we need more meetings, We
need to make this trip exactly like it would be
at home preparing for a game. And because it's a
home game, right, usually you have the home game advantage,
so you have your own facilities there leading up to
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the game. So our job is, okay, how can we
limit distractions, make the players feel at home, but also
get an experience here being in Germany. But yes, this
trip has been tremendous for us, just because we need
to get eyes on everything and then just start the
planning process. And it truly does take from now until
we play the game, just those little details to fine tune.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I know your players get a little bit of free
time when they're on the road, but they're here for
a game.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You kind of mentioned you want everything to be streamlined
so they can they can get their work in, but
you do want them to have the.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Experience of being absolutely yes, how.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Much of a challenge is that though, being in another
country and still you know, okay, we're here for here
for a game.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
We got to win this game.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right, we just flew eight hours across the ocean, whatever
it might be, but hey, we do want you to
feel like you're in Germany like this trip was.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yes, you know a little more special.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yes, And that's another layer to our job. So how
can we create experiences for them but keep it you know,
private and secure, So that's one of our jobs. Will
set up buses so that they escort them downtown, will
have security around the city, just keeping eyes on and
making sure that they're secure, and also transporting them back
and having you know, a time and wish they have
to be back to the hotel to check in, to
make sure we're all good for the next day.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You kind of talked a little bit about food and
you know what Lee Hull at the you know our
team dietitian does. How does the training table look, you know,
the food offerings at the hotel. How difficult is that
to replicate what you would get in America?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yes, with German it's one of my favorite parts. Actually
the trip in Frankfurt, our food was phenomenal and so
the expectation, the bar has been set high and we
try to make it so. Like I said, you know,
guys have regimens they have preferences, and so we try
to make sure that they have those options that they
normally have in the States, so that if they have,
you know, certain dietary issues or you know that we
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have to accommodate, they have them, but also give them
the ability to try new foods. We're here in Germany,
we want to make sure that we can play into
the local cuisine and so have options are standard American
options and then you have your German options as well.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
What is maybe the more I don't want to say challenging,
but the biggest day for you just in terms of operations.
Is it the day the team arrives and you know,
you go to the hotel, you go to practice, or
is it game day? And pulling that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Off, I would say arrival, team arrival. So so myself
and a group of others will advance a couple of
days before just to get everything set for the team
before they get here. And I think those days leading
up to and the day of arrival is the most
crucial and the most stressful. It's also the biggest moment.
So once the guys walk through those doors, you just
have a breath of fresh air, like okay, they're here,
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they're safe, you know, and then from there we've planned
so much. We've taken six months to plan. As long
as you know, we did our work, which we will,
everything will kind of play out how it's supposed to.
Game day is always, you know, a pinch me moment.
It's a great experience to be able to stand in
this crowd and Frankfort the fans were incredible and the
energy in the stadium. So that's one of those times
where you get to enjoy the moment and then we're
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back to business once the game ends. It's okay, we
got to get to the team to the airport and
get out of the country.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So I think that's another stressful moment with.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So many things to think about it, so many things
boxes you have to check, you do you are able
to take a time some time to kind of you know,
look around and okay, like look at how cool this is,
Like you are able to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yes, I would say standing on the sideline is one
of those moments where you just get to you know,
I always tell everybody around me, they're like, never forget
those moments. It's something that you know, I was taught
in college early on. Is you know you do so
much and that you have to enjoy those little moments
when you can, and I feel like on this the
sideline is one of those moments.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I want to talk about your background cause you mentioned college.
You were at Saint Mary's, YEP, and then you were
in equipment.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Correct intern Yes, editor, you get a manager at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
How did that set you on a path to become
an operations director for an NFL team?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
If you would have told me when I was an
equipment manager that that would be able to be a
path for football operations, I had no idea. And the
more you talk to people in the NFL, the more
you realize equipment really is a lot of times people's
first job in the NFL or college football really teaches
you great foundational skills. You do a lot of work.
I mean, it's a hard job, and I have so
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much respect for equipment managers, but I think you see
so much and you help so many people that it
helps you have that operational mindset. And then having great
people here at the cults of you know, to teach
me operations. I think you just have to have the
right mindset, the right drive, and you can accomplish anything.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
What are some of those skills you picked up early
on in equipment?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Honestly detail oriented and just have passion for what you do.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It shows and everything that you do.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you have passion and also just willing to help,
willing to do anything the small tasks, the gross jobs
that no one else wants to do, like that sets
you apart.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That's something that you know. I'm sure a lot of
people watching this they might want to get into the
NFL themselves. Like people always ask me, and I'm sure
you get this too, like how can I get in
the NFL?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Like what do I need to do?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think the point about passion for it, just what
do you need me to do?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Is almost maybe the better question, Yes exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I mean you put a lot of time in a
lot of work, so you have to be willing to
put in those hours and just keep you know, keep
focused because it takes a long time, and you know,
you do a lot of different things, but the end goals,
it's pretty special.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So we fly here to Berlin with the team, you know,
sometime during the season, and the game goes off and
we get back on the plane coming home. What is
Melanie low kind of like thinking about what do you
hope you reflect on out of this experience.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Probably a little sleep deprived at that time, so I'm
probably thinking of getting a quick nap on the flight.
But you know, we make sure we have everybody accounted for,
and once you know that they're all on the plane,
it's it's the best feeling to know we just did that.
You know, we collectively as a staff as a team,
and hopefully we will get that win. I know we
will get that win, and that's an even better feeling
just to get on that plane and just know everything
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went smoothly.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You did your part in you know, getting the team
to win.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And yeah, probably sleep deprived, and once we hand those
passports back out at the airport or we are good,
it's a good feeling.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Something you mentioned you did an interview with NFL dot
com I believe it was last year, and something you
mentioned it was just like that feeling of being something
bigger than yourself, and that I think you just sort
of described it there of like, yes, you get on
the plane and you know, I know I did my
part to help do this. That's something that's almost like indescribable.
If you are a part of a not just a
team of like like an NFL team like the Colts. Yes,
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I mean that's something I know. I feel when I do,
you know, the streaming announcing. It's like, this is something
that's way bigger than just me exactly, and that's a
really cool thing to be a part of in the league.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And truly, I think it wasn't until I went to Frankfurt.
Like you go to games throughout the United States and
they're very very special, don't get me wrong, but there
was something about seeing the stands in Frankfurt and seeing
people from all different countries coming together for one event,
specifically to watch two teams play, and it's just incredible.
Like bringing people together and knowing you were a small
part of that bigger picture is incredible and it's something
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really special and I'm grateful the NFL is doing because
it brings you. You know, we still talk to our
hotel contacts and our friends in Frankfort and those are lifetime,
lifelong friends that you make throughout this process that are
just you can't put, you know, put it into words.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I think you also mentioned that NFL dot Com interview
the International Games are a they're the super Bowl for
football operations. I mean doing it twice now in the
span of three years for you, that has to be
a pretty significant career accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It is pretty exciting. I can't alli to you being
on this trip here. It's just it's a pinch me
moments that you get to plan something this large and
to do it twice in two years, like you're saying,
it is just incredible. It is like the Super Bowl,
you know, one day, I'm really excited to hopefully plan that.
But until then, I mean, this is a really large
thing and we're looking forward to it. We're really excited,
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and having done it recently makes it that much just
a little bit easier.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
All right, Melani Low, director of football Operations for the Colts,
thanks for being our guest here on the Colt Show.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Thank you so much for having me all.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Right back here on the Colts Show. So we talked
about the Germany game. We now know obviously that is
the Colts playing the Atlanta Falcons on November ninth, in
Week ten at Olympic Stadium in Berlin. When Millenia and
I tape that as we talked about we didn't know
who the opponent was going to be or when the
game was going to be. If you want a full
breakdown of the Colts twenty twenty five regular season schedule,
(18:22):
check out Instant Reaction that is out right now on
all platforms, or you get your Colts podcasts YouTube, Spotify,
Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Go check that out.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Casey Valier and Lara Overton broke down every game that
the Colts will play this season, So I'm gonna leave
the breakdown of the regular season two Case and Learra
on that podcast. So again, go check out Instant Reaction.
But I do want to get to the Colt Show
mail bag. Remember you can submit your questions a couple
of ways on Colts dot com Slash mailbag. You can
tweet them at me, you can slide into my Instagram
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dms if that's your thing, or you can leave a
comment on the YouTube video of this podcast. This week's
question comes from Brian Carter from Arnoldsburg, West Virginia. A
really good question here. Brian writes, I believe Tyler Warren
is the critical piece that the Colts offense has been missing.
I personally hope that he will unlock Anthony Richardson's potential
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as a high level quarterback, But knowing the styles that
we have seen from both Richardson and Daniel Jones, I'm
afraid that Jones will benefit more from having that short
over the middle option in the passing game. My question
is which quarterback do you think will benefit more from
adding Warren to the offense and what will that look like.
(19:34):
This is a really really good question, and I've got
a couple one similar to it over the last couple
of weeks, where, like I think, on its surface, I
think the answer that Brian is hinting at here is
it's gonna benefit Daniel Jones Moore, where Jones is the
guy who's more likely to throw the ball between zero
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and twenty yards beyond the line of scrimmage, right. But
I think that this is interesting from the sense that
how does Warren impact Anthony Richardson? Because I think, you know,
you look at what Warren could do with a quarterback
who's gonna kind of pepper that yardage, and you might
be thinking, in your upper upper level case, that's kind
of what Gardner, Minshew and Aidan O'Connell did last year
(20:20):
with Brock Bauers with the Las Vegas Raiders, where Bowers
broke Mike Ditka's rookie receptions record for a tight end.
I think for Richardson, though, I think you need to
view it holistically. With this offense, where Richardson's gonna get
the ball to Tyler Warren, we haven't seen Anthony Richardson
with a tight end like Tyler Warren who can control
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the middle of the field. So first and foremost, it's
like a is it like a cant or won't thing
with Anthony Richardson in that part of the field. Where
is it he wasn't able to over the last couple
of years or is that not a strength of his game?
I think we're going to figure that out this year
if Tyler Warren is the player the Colts believe he is.
But the other part of it is this will have
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this again, it's this is gravitational effect on the Colts offense.
Where a view of a guy who can control the
middle of the field ten to twenty yards in between
the numbers, that opens up more for a Michael Pittman
junior at Josh Downs and ad Mitchell and Alec Pierce
to be more effective wide receivers. Defenses just are they're
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gonna have to change the way they play, where if okay,
you know, if your linebackers aren't getting good depth and
you know your safeties have to be on the same page,
maybe there's a room for Tyler Warren in there, or
maybe your safeties can't be as wide to take try
to take away those deep shots to Alec Pierce. So
that's gonna be just like, I don't know how it's
gonna look, I really don't know, but I think there's
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a world in which Tyler Warren almost maybe has more
of an impact with Anthony richards And this is again,
if everything works out, he almost has more of an impact,
not because of the receptions and the yards that he's getting,
but because of just the impact he has on the
entire Colts offense. That right there, I'm fascinated to see
(22:07):
how it plays out. And again, look, if it is
Daniel Jones and Warren is the player who I think
we all think he can be, even as a rookie,
he probably is gonna get quite a few catches. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that the offense is going to
be better with Jones and Warren than with Richardson and Warren.
It just might be different. And I think you know,
(22:28):
there are different strengths, different weaknesses. If the Colts are
going to be an explosive offense, though, and it's Richardson
behind center, Warren in there can help this offense be
more explosive, even if he's not gonna get ninety catches
or whatever you know Bowers had last year, whatever it
was so really interested to just again, it's that gravitational pull.
And you know, for Brian's question here, I think they'll
(22:50):
both benefit. And I think that's kind of a lame answer,
but I think they both will benefit. They're just gonna
benefit in different ways, if that makes sense. All right, Again,
really good question. Shout out to Brian Carner from Arnoldsburg,
West Virginia. Remember submit those questions to me on social media,
get him in at Coults dot com, slash mailbag and
in the YouTube comments of this episode. We're gonna be
(23:11):
back next week. And speaking of Tyler Warren got a
really fun episode coming out next Thursday for you guys.
I had a chance to talk with James Franklin, head
coach at Penn State about Tyler Warren. Had a really
interesting chat, great insight. I mean, who better to give
us some insight into who Tyler Warren is as a
player and as a person than the guy who coached
him for the last four years at Penn State in
(23:33):
James Franklin. That episode will be out a week from today,
and be sure to also check out the latest episode
of High Volume with Jeffrey Gorman that's out on YouTube,
that's out on wherever you get your podcasts. All of
the above, and again check out the schedule release episode
of Instant Reaction wherever you get your colts podcasts. That's
(23:54):
gonna do it for this episode of the Cult Show
in Indianapolis Colts podcast, I'm JJ Stankowitz. Talk to you
next week here on The Coach Show.
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