On this Tuesday edition of Jags A.M., Kainani, Brian and John analyze the decision to dismiss Head Coach Doug Pederson. The crew breaks down some of the important takeaways of the Trent Baalke and Shad Khan press conference yesterday. In addition, player sentiment from the locker room cleanout is reviewed including Arik Armstead's position, Christian Kirk on his offseason and Travon Walker on his growth this season. All this and more on today's Jags A.M.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
As you know, this morning announced my decision to begin
a search for the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguards,
and the announcement followed a very warm and positive discussion
I had with Doug this morning and also obviously last
week and over the last year. As difficult as if
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occasion was for both Doug and myself, I mean, it
served a reminder of Doug's quality as a head coach
and a person. There's no doubt in my mind that
this is the time to make a change in the
best interests of the football team, community and especially our fans.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Welcome to jag Zam.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's official the off season.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm Penannie Stevens, John Oserbryan with me, brand section with
me today as well, and we've been talking about changes.
We knew they were going to come. We got one
change right out of the gate on Monday. We'll start
out with our big thing. There are only two of
them today. One goes that does put Peterson the head
coach has been fired.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Let go.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Shat kind of explained a little bit of his reasoning.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Last year we started off eight and three and then
went one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff.
Was the winning season but didn't make the playoffs. And
after that, you know, I started really right in Nashville,
sat down with Doug, Okay, what are.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We going to do?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And he identified, you know, on the defensive side, we
needed to change the staff and so on. And as
the season you know, progressed it, you know it. Obviously
we weren't doing well. We were close like yesterday, but
not close enough to win the game. And then as
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I spoke to you know, Doug even last week for
a good length of time, you know, I just came
to the conclusion what we were doing was not working
and a change in direction was needed.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Brian, I don't think there's a huge surprise to this. Obviously,
it's the results oriented business team did not win. Doug
Peterson out as head coach.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well, this was the simple one.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
You know, we heard all season long that they have
to learn, we have to teach them how to win
these close games. And there were enough examples. There were
thirteen one score games and the Jaguars went three to ten,
and at some point it became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Doug kept talking about what they needed the players to do.
And how they were attacking things in the meeting room
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and on the practice field and it didn't work. They
didn't learn how to win close games. We all witnessed,
We lived that all season long, and so I think
that made the owner's choice relatively simple.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
They had an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
They knew what the problems were, and they couldn't solve it.
He didn't have confidence John that they would go into
twenty twenty five and be able to change that to
solve it. He obviously thought something much more dramatic needed
to be done, and so he did it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Look, people who know me know I'm not as much
blame blame blame coach as most people who are in
the league. But I think Op Pearson is a good coach.
I think he went coached somewhere else. You know, he's
won a Super Bowl, so he can do this. But
at some point, when you're four and thirteen, what I
wondered moving forward was so much of being head coaches
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about belief. Do the players believe in this anymore? I
think after one and five last year, at the end
four and thirteen this year, hard to believe in that.
I also think it was going to be hard to
make a defensive coordinator change after one year, and I
don't think he was going to change Press Taylor.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So if you hadn't.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Changed Doug, I don't know what changes. Good coach.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I think deserves be remembered fondly by the Jaguars for
what happened. At some point, a change has been made,
and you can't change all the players.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Cannot change all the players. We did expect though our
second big thing, which is one stage. Some of the
fans outside of the organization talks about jam Trump Bulk
he maybe being let go as well. He was asked
whether he was surprised and still wasn't a part of
that layoff.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I don't know if surprised is the right word. You know,
that's ultimately that's not my decision. That's the decision of ownership,
and I certainly respect the decision that's been made and
don't take the job lately. You know, the real fact,
The bottom line is we weren't productive on the field.
We didn't win enough games, and I don't shy away
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from that. I'm just as responsible as anybody else. And
you know, all we can do now is roll up
our sleeves and go to.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Work John a lot to talk about clearing house. They
choose not to do that, want to build the TRENALKI
still what he's been able to do here? Were you
surprised by it?
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Well, surprise when you ask somebody who's been around this
league for thirty years, and Brian's probably lafe when I
say this too, You're no longer that's surprised with anything,
because what you know is when an owner is deciding something,
it's one person making a decision. Shod Con is not
one to share thoughts on this. There's not a whole
lot of buzz in a building with shot on these things.
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So was I surprised, not shocked. I didn't know what
was going to happen going in. It would not have
surprised me if it had been total change. But Shod
explained a lot of his reasoning. He sees Trent in
the GM as a structural position overseeing football administration.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
He likes what they've done with that. So, Brian, I
don't know how to define surprise.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I didn't know what to expect, but I wasn't shocked,
And I guess that kind of avoids the question, but
it's the only answer I.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Have you know, there were four possible outcomes here, Kai
both stay, both go, Doug stays, Trent goes, Trent stays,
Doug goes, and so was I surprised. Yeah, I didn't
know that that was the likely outcome in that. But
I want to take it from a different angle. And
here's what I'm surprised at. John and the owner kind
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of laid this out, which you know, Sean talked about,
you know, what he saw in Trent, And I guess
I'm surprised at the level of venom that Trent Bulky gets.
I know, people try to stick him with the urban
Meyer disaster and they wanted to clean at that point,
but he didn't hire urban Meyer.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That was the owner that did that.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And then I look and I see and by the way,
I totally get four and thirteen and you want everything
clean five and eighteen. And I told I mean, that's
don't disappoint it to me.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I realize right now I'm spinning into the wind.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But you talk about a franchise, it was just more
abund It was awful, and he lifted it up with
some of his moves, right. I mean, you look at
the draft choices and you've got four guys from the
twenty twenty one draft class. Here you had nine different
guys from the twenty twenty three class start more than
two games this season for the Jaguars. He's done a
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pretty good job with the draft. And he moved backwards twice,
giving you extra third and fourth round picks this year,
and still got Brian Thomas Junior. You want to talk
about free agency, I get at Eric Armstead, Ronald Darby,
Darnell Savage, waste the money that gave you nothing this year.
But he also gave you Rayshawn Jenkins, who gave you
in twenty twenty two the two plays that got you
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to the Super Bowl, the pick six against the Cowboys
and the sack strip against the Titans that Josh Allen
returned for the touchdown. Right, And he gave you Evan Ingram,
who gave you one hundred and fourteen catches last year.
And Christian Kirk. And you know just one more thing.
When I saw him in twenty twenty two, signed Christian
Kirk and then draft Parker Washington, and signed Foyer Lucon
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and draft Ventreil Miller, and signed Brandon Sheriff and draft
Cooper Hodges.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I saw a guy who knew what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He was backfilling the free agents, because you don't want
to build with free agents with young players who are
making plays for.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
This football team.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
So in saying all of that, I just don't understand
the level of vitriol that you see with Trent. That's
the part that surprises me. And just one last thing
on this, if they get Ben Johnson and the owner,
clearly john believes that what he has to offer here
with a quarterback, with the salary cap, with draft choices,
with facilities, with warm weather no stated he firmly believes.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
He can get the guy that he wants.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
He said that yesterday and I'm told by other people
he believes that if they go sign Ben Johnson. Do
you really care who the general manager is? I'm not
sure people do. I think that solves that problem. So
the thing that surprises me consistently is just how much
people just don't like him.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Emotions of definite running high. I think after a tough year,
everyone's feeling a lot of things, and this is how
it's coming out right now. We're going to continue to
talk it out. A couple of hot takes coming out
of that availability we had yesterday, so we'll talk some
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Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now, you know we are the most predictable team on
both sides of the ball, okay and football, you know,
to win deception is a big part of it. Unpredictability.
If you know exactly what we're going to do on
offense or defense, you know you better have D twenty
two best players you know to help us win a
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football game. So being unpredictable is I think it's modern football,
and you know we have to be able to show
that on the field.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Welcome back into jag Exam on Monday. We do hot
takes and normally we give you one of our hot takes,
but I think there was a couple of hot takes
in that availability yesterday with Shadkan and Trent Balky, so
we're going to take our hot takes from there. And
right off the top, shod Con saying this team is
too predictable. The Jaguars need to be unpredictable, Is that true?
Or do they just need some better players?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Well, well, I mean the great example of this is
the Packers for years and years. I mean Bart Starr
used to it, We're gonna run it right here, right,
I mean it's you couldn't stop them. They were so
much better. So, yes, you need better players. But John,
I think what they need to do is do the
predictable things better. I mean, you look at the Lions
and all of the the and I bring them up
obviously because of the Ben Johnson interest. You know, all
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of the things that they do, the hook and ladder
in the middle of the game, the throws to the
tackles who become eligible. Well, it's because they do the
little things well, right, I mean they can run the ball,
they can execute on third down. For the Dagwars to
become unpredictable means that they've got to play better with
the things that everyone can tell they're going to do.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of a chicken
in the egg thing, which came first. I think to
get unpredictable, I think you need to get better And I.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Think It's what Brian's saying as well.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
It's very hard to be to have super creativity when
you're facing second and twelve. It's really easy to be
creative on second and three, which means if you run
well or a fishing in your basics early in downs,
you get more plays.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You can be unpredictable.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
So I think what Shod saw and the fans saw
is real. I don't think it was very unpredictable, but
I do think you have to get better overall to
get unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Put yourself in a situation where you can be a
little more creative.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
I think, yeah, sort of the same thing on defense, right,
I mean, okay, blitzmore and I don't know exactly what
Shod meant in terms of predictability on deff, so I'm
not putting words in his mouth, but you would say,
blitz more, do more exotic things. If you can't stop
the run, which they couldn't, it doesn't matter how exotic
you are.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You're getting rolled well.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And you look at Josh Allen, who Josh heinz Al
who got you the Mega contract before the season.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
He had lots of pressures.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I mean he was always around the quarterback, but he
didn't get as many as he did the year before
because the Jaguars were always playing from behind and teams
were running the ball because they could and because they
wanted to run out the clock when you're up by
a couple of scores. So I mean it goes back
to complimentary football, right. I mean you've got to be
a team that you can be dependable before you can
be unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yes, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Let's move to our second hot take from that inter availability,
I should say Trent Bulk says they're going to go
into this head coaching process, interview process right away and
get things going. But he also thinks this can be
a quick turnaround.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
I think when you look at where we were in
twenty two leading into the twenty two season, and going
from where we were in twenty one to twenty two,
I don't think there's any reason why we can't repeat that,
you know. I think there's there's a lot of there's
a lot of good young players on this team. There's
a lot to look forward to, you know, and and
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the fan base deserves it. They deserve a winner, and
that's what you set out to do every day. You
wake up, come into the building, and you know, we've
got a great group of people in this building that
have that mindset, you know. So I do think this
thing can be flipped and flipped quick and looking forward
to to getting to work on it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
John obviously, Sean conn thinks there's a lot of good things,
good pieces in the building making the playoffs two years ago.
Trent Falke thinks this can be a quick flip. We've
seen it elsewhere. Can that be done here?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, it can be a quick flip, meaning I firmly
believe that you can go from three to fourteen, especially
with the close.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Games, to back to competitive.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I think you can get back to competitive in an
AFC set that's not great. What I've said multiple times
on this show, what I hope that they don't do
is let's quick flip to get to nine and eight.
That is doable. Getting what we all want is get
to Detroit, Buffalo, Eagles, Kansas City, Right. I don't know
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if that's that quick, but I think you can make
that first step. What you hope is that getting to
that first step, and I'm probably not saying this very well,
get to that first step, but don't do it just
to get there, make sure it's long term, make sure
they are foundation things that you can move beyond that
as well, because I think in twenty two they got there,
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couldn't quite get further.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Well, two things stand out.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
One, the quarterback has to emerge from two injury plagued seasons.
I mean the last game he played this year was
November third, right, I mean last game he started and
played it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I take that back.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
He played in the Texans game, but you know, briefly
before he was injured, so you know you didn't have
him the last too much of the season effectively, and
you didn't have him healthy the last month and a
half of the season last year. So if he emerges
and who they hire will have something to do with this,
and becomes the quarterback that we all think he can become,
then that goes a long way towards solving a lot
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of your problems. And then the other is on the
man who just talked, and that's Trent. He's got to
go and draft another BTJ. Right, and at number five,
you'd like to think that that would be something that
he could do. There's seven or eight we're told guys
with first round grades. You're right, there, go draft another
player who will come in as a rookie and make
a big impact, likely to be on the defensive side
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of the ball, because that's where it's heavy up there.
Go do it again. That's where it's on him. And
to get back to you know, twenty twenty two in
free agency, because you know they're going to spend some
money in free agency and don't swing at older guys
who are you know, on the tail end of their career,
like Eric Armstead, like Ronald Darby. You've got to be
impactful with Christian Kirk and having Ingram and for ye Lukon.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Yeah, I think Brian's first thing as we get further
away from the week to week, you know, micro focused
on the details.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
It's all the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
The Trevor's got to be more special and more elite
than he has been. He showed it for about three
or four games in the middle of twenty three where
that he was getting there, and then the injuries game.
It's been sort of off since.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It's got to get back on. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Our third hot take today is gonna come from the
locker room when we talked to some of the players
and they were cleaning things out Yesterday, Eric Armstead talked
a little bit about how he was playing at edge
this year, but he wants to go back to his
original position.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Yeah, I'm gonna move back inside next year. That that's
gonna be my plan. You know, that was what I
wanted to do, you know, this season as well too.
But you know, there's there's situations that you have to
deal with, you know, in this league. And yes, I'm
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a switch back inside, which was what I wanted to
do this season, and I'm a deep back playing to
you know, elite player that I know I can be.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Arms is saying saying he wants to go back inside
on the defensive line. He's playing edge a good chunk
of this year, not really a starter what he's used
to doing, saying he wants to go back and he's
gonna do that next year. So I'll take Airic crimsaid
will be the starting defensive tackle in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, he's laying it at the feet of the defensive staff.
I guess, you know, this was a mistake on my part.
This was one of the guys John that I thought, Okay, listen,
he's coming in. He's he's gonna give you something inside,
because that's what he had always been in San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He'd been a Pro Bowl caliber player. He has the height, he.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Has the length, he has the leverage, and he gave
you a sack an opening day.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Thought okay, and then he.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Started playing, So I just listen, we don't have a
ton of Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot. He didn't
give you a whole lot when he did go inside
to the middle. Either this is that this is the
storyline to fallow.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, I'm flummixed and.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I don't know what to say this because I've been
asked so many times what was going on with this?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I guess maybe the best.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Thing to do with the Eric Armstead story is he's
going to be here next year.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Evidently he's playing tackle.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I think the new coordinators will be thrilled to learn
that when they get the job. So maybe it's just
time to say, Okay, Eric Armstead, whatever story was this year,
let's see what it is next year, because he has talent,
and it just seemed like one of those everyone's on
free agency, you get one of those where you're like,
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what's going on? And this was that he lumbered off
the edge. So maybe this is the time next year.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Have it through the season.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
We'll be riding a success story.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Sure, hope what happens to because now all of a sudden,
you seem to have a glood of tackles. Right, You've
got Devon Hamilton, who's gonna be here because he's got
twenty million dollars in dead money on the cap for you.
You drafted Mason Smith and he shows you something at
the end of the year, and you have Jordan Jefferson.
What I hope doesn't happen is you pass on Mason
Graham if he's the best player at number five, because
you say, well, we've got Eric Armstead to play in there. No,
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don't pass on a great young player at a position
of need. I still think because Devon is getting a
little long in the tooth and Eric is that you
need defensive tackle. I hope Eric Armstead's presence in the
middle doesn't prevent them from taking the best player available
on the board if that happens to be the defensive
tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, it's a legitimate concern.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
I would guess that it wouldn't because you can rotate there,
and because Trent does believe in big guys, but your point.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Is about stay with us.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Where you are going to hear a little bit more
from the players is out their lockers yesterday and talked
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Speaker 9 (20:16):
Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,
we all had a hand in, you know, this season
and just how the way things have shaken out. I
have a ton of respect for Doug. He's maybe a
better football player, a better man, and you know, I
think he's one of the better coaches to have coached
in this league. And it's just unfortunate the way that
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things went. But obviously the organization has to make a
decision that they feel his best going forward.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, I've received a Christian Kirk in here yesterday kind
of giving his thoughts on the firing of head coach
Doug Peterson. Obviously the unfortunate situation, and talked a lot
about how much he's helped him as a player. But
I think one of the things and good to hear
from christ and the players is taking that accountability right
off the top of we all didn't do what we
needed to this year, and unfortunately this is what happens.
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Some person has to take the fall. John, But uh,
I think there's an understanding that they all need to
be better.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I thought it was interesting and as you as you
go on and you learn more about different players and
how the league sort of works. Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk,
who might be the most aware league savvy guys in
that locker room, meaning hey we've seen this, both said Hey,
you know, I I'm paraphrasing fire, Doug, fire, if you want,
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we gotta be better. And so they know the coaches
get fired. They also know from being around that locker
room that there were plays that didn't get made.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Trayvon Walker mentioned it that there was a lull when
they were losing where he wasn't sure that everybody was
brought in w was going right? And you know, Trayvon,
it's a different level, but he's been around Georgia's success
national championships.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
He sort of knew wasn't right. Now.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Part of that's the coach bringing that right, But a
little bit is the guy is saying, hey, this is
our team. It's a players league. Those guys matter who's
leading have to do a better job of that next year.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Collectively. I mean, I'm not talking about those three, but collectively,
it's gotta be uh more of a wanted Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Let's hear from Trayvon as well. We have him talking yesterday.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
Definitely something that me personally, I don't wanna hear the
I think he's a great coach. Uh he He's done
some great things of this organization on Uh, he's a
great guy, great coach. Like I said, I wouldn't wish
that on anyone. But no, it's life. We all based
with obstacles in life and we just gotta keep going.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So obviously, you know, Doug had a ton of respect
in that locker room, and I don't think anyone's saying
he's a bad football coach. It it's unfortunate the way
things worked out, the way things panned out here, and
I wonder what they'll kind of go. We'll talk tomorrow
more about what that coaching search is gonna look like,
but I wonder what kind of personality they'll look to
bring in or what kind of style.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Well, it was interesting, you know a lot of the
veteran players were asked what do you want? And none
of them knew what to answer, in part out of
respect for Doug, because the question itself says, hey, what
do you want that you weren't getting here right. But
the other side of it was they had such respect
for Doug. Doug played the game, had been in the
league for thirty years, and I don't know that it
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was anything that they saw in Doug that they think
they needed to have. I thought the respect was well
founded for him in that sense. It goes back to accountability,
and these guys know that if this team is going
to go anywhere, it's going to be on them.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
They're all going to have to do more.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
And John, that seems so easy to say, you go
to do more on the field, but it isn't just
doing more on the field. It's doing more off the
field away from the building off season. It's about taking
ownership of your career and your impact in this locker
room and projecting it and getting away from FOOTBA a
little bit, but not too far so that you understand
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that your preparation and what you bring to the table
when you leave this building every night during the season
or when you're around here in the off season, it's
on you. You've got to be your best otherwise you don't
last in this league.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
It's needing to win and having it be something that
you can't live without. And I'm not sure that you
have enough of that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Whoever the head coach is my first move a Trevor.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I have a leadership council, whatever, treymon Walker and everybody
doesn't shut the door because you need him. He progressed
in this direction this year, in year four, next year.
Outside of Trevor Lawrence, this needs to be treymon Walker's
team because he's a guy that you look to in
terms of approach, in terms of desire, that you can
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build around his persona.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well and listen, as a player on the field, We've
been talking about how good he is in so many situations.
But look, they don't make it overtime if he doesn't
get that sack in all likelihood, right, it's third and
three at the fifty yard line, Joe Flacco's carving you up,
and he comes around the corner and makes the sack
that forced them to punt in the Jags get to
overtime and have a chance. He's that good of a player,
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and I'm not sure that people so widely recognize just
how good he is. But he's good on the field,
he's good off the field, in the community, in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
He's a terrific football player.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You're so right, well, Betj's best player on the team.
Trayvine is close to yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think the interesting thing about I will say both
of them. Brian not quite there yet, but Trayvon makes
people around him better too, which I think we don't
give him a ton of credit for. But he covers
up a lot of things I think sometimes and obviously
what he's been able to do to help Josh and
if they ever get a rush from the middle, they'll
have something really going there. But his having players that
can make other people better is something you absolutely need.
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And obviously we need to see that more from Trevor
as well, but to have some others that can do
it is huge. So say with us, we'll talk a
little bit more about what's coming up this week, and
we'll talk a little bit more about this coaching search.
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I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I talked to the players regularly, Okay, so and I
don't want to identify Trevor or anyone else by name,
but uh, you know, listen to you know what's going
to make them successful. But this isn't, you know, let's
be clear, a second coming of Aaron Rodgers two point oh. Okay,
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so it's it's I mean, you know, we're going to
do the right thing for the team, and obviously our
goal is if Trevor doesn't get better, the other players
don't get better, we're not gonna win. So the coaches
coming in know who our foundational players are and they
have to be committed to, you know, making them better.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Owner Shad Cohn was asked about whether he would be
consulting Trevor Lawrence when he was making the selection for
the new head coach, and he said he does talk
to the players, he consults with them, but it's not
gonna be an Aaron Rodgers situation in New York, which
a nice little dig for no reason, but I appreciated
it anyway, And so I think more the question would be,
is you need someone that comes in and believes they
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can work with Trevor and get him to that point
that we need him to be at, right, because at
this point, you don't want to be wasting this section
of his career where, if he can stay healthy, should
be entering a prime time of his career and they
need to come in be able to get him that level,
and whatever their planner method might be will be a
big part of this process.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
I'm sure that's the reason that everybody is so hot
on Ben Johnson because what he's been able to do
with Jared Goff. And yeah, I mean that's why I
would be so interested in that as well. But if
Ben Johnson doesn't end up here, that doesn't mean they
won't find somebody that can come and do it as well. Remember,
I mean Dan Campbell hired Benjasen, and I would say
most people don't know or didn't know who Ben Johnson was.
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That would be the question that I have for every
single candidate. Tell me who's going to get my quarterback
to that point? The offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is the
most important person that my new head coach is going
to bring in.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, if Sean gets a feeling of any candidate that
he's not one hundred percent all in in his heart
and soul on Trevor Lawrence, move on, because that's got
to work.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And if and I think.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
They'll get somebody who's who they really really want. If
it's a Ben Johnson, if it's another offensive, you can
guarantee they wouldn't even be taking the interview if from
afar they didn't believe this kid could do it. So
stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Do you think, just as a question, do you think
that this job is the most attractive.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Job out there right now? Because that's listen, that's.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
The narrative with people who believe that Trent Balkey is
slowing it down, that he'll keep them from being there.
The owner is obviously betting that that he can make
this the most attractive job.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Where do you place it? Do you think it's you know,
top one or two?
Speaker 6 (29:11):
I don't cover the other team, so I don't know
the details. I do know, you know, it's the old cliche.
You're in Florida, you have an owner who is not
a quick trigger owner and who everybody out there shod con.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This shod con that.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Coaches measure owners by patients by staying out of the
way and.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Do they support well.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Nobody in the league is going to tell anybody that
shod Con doesn't support in terms of money, in terms
of and so whether it's the best job in the
league or not depends on how people feel about Traver
good point.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So we'll be with you guys one more day this week.
We'll talk a little bit about some of those coaching
interviews that are gonna be taking place and some possible
candidates here, and also just a little bit of a
preview about free agency and what the off season is
going to look like for the team. That's a great
things
As you know, this morning announced my decision to begin
a search for the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguards,
and the announcement followed a very warm and positive discussion
I had with Doug this morning and also obviously last
week and over the last year. As difficult as if
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occasion was for both Doug and myself, I mean, it
served a reminder of Doug's quality as a head coach
and a person. There's no doubt in my mind that
this is the time to make a change in the
best interests of the football team, community and especially our fans.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Welcome to jag Zam.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's official the off season.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm Penannie Stevens, John Oserbryan with me, brand section with
me today as well, and we've been talking about changes.
We knew they were going to come. We got one
change right out of the gate on Monday. We'll start
out with our big thing. There are only two of
them today. One goes that does put Peterson the head
coach has been fired.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Let go.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Shat kind of explained a little bit of his reasoning.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Last year we started off eight and three and then
went one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff.
Was the winning season but didn't make the playoffs. And
after that, you know, I started really right in Nashville,
sat down with Doug, Okay, what are.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We going to do?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And he identified, you know, on the defensive side, we
needed to change the staff and so on. And as
the season you know, progressed it, you know it. Obviously
we weren't doing well. We were close like yesterday, but
not close enough to win the game. And then as
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I spoke to you know, Doug even last week for
a good length of time, you know, I just came
to the conclusion what we were doing was not working
and a change in direction was needed.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Brian, I don't think there's a huge surprise to this. Obviously,
it's the results oriented business team did not win. Doug
Peterson out as head coach.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well, this was the simple one.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
You know, we heard all season long that they have
to learn, we have to teach them how to win
these close games. And there were enough examples. There were
thirteen one score games and the Jaguars went three to ten,
and at some point it became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Doug kept talking about what they needed the players to do.
And how they were attacking things in the meeting room
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and on the practice field and it didn't work. They
didn't learn how to win close games. We all witnessed,
We lived that all season long, and so I think
that made the owner's choice relatively simple.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
They had an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
They knew what the problems were, and they couldn't solve it.
He didn't have confidence John that they would go into
twenty twenty five and be able to change that to
solve it. He obviously thought something much more dramatic needed
to be done, and so he did it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Look, people who know me know I'm not as much
blame blame blame coach as most people who are in
the league. But I think Op Pearson is a good coach.
I think he went coached somewhere else. You know, he's
won a Super Bowl, so he can do this. But
at some point, when you're four and thirteen, what I
wondered moving forward was so much of being head coaches
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about belief. Do the players believe in this anymore? I
think after one and five last year, at the end
four and thirteen this year, hard to believe in that.
I also think it was going to be hard to
make a defensive coordinator change after one year, and I
don't think he was going to change Press Taylor.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So if you hadn't.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Changed Doug, I don't know what changes. Good coach.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I think deserves be remembered fondly by the Jaguars for
what happened. At some point, a change has been made,
and you can't change all the players.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Cannot change all the players. We did expect though our
second big thing, which is one stage. Some of the
fans outside of the organization talks about jam Trump Bulk
he maybe being let go as well. He was asked
whether he was surprised and still wasn't a part of
that layoff.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I don't know if surprised is the right word. You know,
that's ultimately that's not my decision. That's the decision of ownership,
and I certainly respect the decision that's been made and
don't take the job lately. You know, the real fact,
The bottom line is we weren't productive on the field.
We didn't win enough games, and I don't shy away
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from that. I'm just as responsible as anybody else. And
you know, all we can do now is roll up
our sleeves and go to.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Work John a lot to talk about clearing house. They
choose not to do that, want to build the TRENALKI
still what he's been able to do here? Were you
surprised by it?
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Well, surprise when you ask somebody who's been around this
league for thirty years, and Brian's probably lafe when I
say this too, You're no longer that's surprised with anything,
because what you know is when an owner is deciding something,
it's one person making a decision. Shod Con is not
one to share thoughts on this. There's not a whole
lot of buzz in a building with shot on these things.
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So was I surprised, not shocked. I didn't know what
was going to happen going in. It would not have
surprised me if it had been total change. But Shod
explained a lot of his reasoning. He sees Trent in
the GM as a structural position overseeing football administration.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
He likes what they've done with that. So, Brian, I
don't know how to define surprise.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I didn't know what to expect, but I wasn't shocked,
And I guess that kind of avoids the question, but
it's the only answer I.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Have you know, there were four possible outcomes here, Kai
both stay, both go, Doug stays, Trent goes, Trent stays,
Doug goes, and so was I surprised. Yeah, I didn't
know that that was the likely outcome in that. But
I want to take it from a different angle. And
here's what I'm surprised at. John and the owner kind
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of laid this out, which you know, Sean talked about,
you know, what he saw in Trent, And I guess
I'm surprised at the level of venom that Trent Bulky gets.
I know, people try to stick him with the urban
Meyer disaster and they wanted to clean at that point,
but he didn't hire urban Meyer.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That was the owner that did that.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And then I look and I see and by the way,
I totally get four and thirteen and you want everything
clean five and eighteen. And I told I mean, that's
don't disappoint it to me.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I realize right now I'm spinning into the wind.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But you talk about a franchise, it was just more
abund It was awful, and he lifted it up with
some of his moves, right. I mean, you look at
the draft choices and you've got four guys from the
twenty twenty one draft class. Here you had nine different
guys from the twenty twenty three class start more than
two games this season for the Jaguars. He's done a
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pretty good job with the draft. And he moved backwards twice,
giving you extra third and fourth round picks this year,
and still got Brian Thomas Junior. You want to talk
about free agency, I get at Eric Armstead, Ronald Darby,
Darnell Savage, waste the money that gave you nothing this year.
But he also gave you Rayshawn Jenkins, who gave you
in twenty twenty two the two plays that got you
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to the Super Bowl, the pick six against the Cowboys
and the sack strip against the Titans that Josh Allen
returned for the touchdown. Right, And he gave you Evan Ingram,
who gave you one hundred and fourteen catches last year.
And Christian Kirk. And you know just one more thing.
When I saw him in twenty twenty two, signed Christian
Kirk and then draft Parker Washington, and signed Foyer Lucon
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and draft Ventreil Miller, and signed Brandon Sheriff and draft
Cooper Hodges.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I saw a guy who knew what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He was backfilling the free agents, because you don't want
to build with free agents with young players who are
making plays for.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
This football team.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
So in saying all of that, I just don't understand
the level of vitriol that you see with Trent. That's
the part that surprises me. And just one last thing
on this, if they get Ben Johnson and the owner,
clearly john believes that what he has to offer here
with a quarterback, with the salary cap, with draft choices,
with facilities, with warm weather no stated he firmly believes.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
He can get the guy that he wants.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
He said that yesterday and I'm told by other people
he believes that if they go sign Ben Johnson. Do
you really care who the general manager is? I'm not
sure people do. I think that solves that problem. So
the thing that surprises me consistently is just how much
people just don't like him.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Emotions of definite running high. I think after a tough year,
everyone's feeling a lot of things, and this is how
it's coming out right now. We're going to continue to
talk it out. A couple of hot takes coming out
of that availability we had yesterday, so we'll talk some
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Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now, you know we are the most predictable team on
both sides of the ball, okay and football, you know,
to win deception is a big part of it. Unpredictability.
If you know exactly what we're going to do on
offense or defense, you know you better have D twenty
two best players you know to help us win a
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football game. So being unpredictable is I think it's modern football,
and you know we have to be able to show
that on the field.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Welcome back into jag Exam on Monday. We do hot
takes and normally we give you one of our hot takes,
but I think there was a couple of hot takes
in that availability yesterday with Shadkan and Trent Balky, so
we're going to take our hot takes from there. And
right off the top, shod Con saying this team is
too predictable. The Jaguars need to be unpredictable, Is that true?
Or do they just need some better players?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Well, well, I mean the great example of this is
the Packers for years and years. I mean Bart Starr
used to it, We're gonna run it right here, right,
I mean it's you couldn't stop them. They were so
much better. So, yes, you need better players. But John,
I think what they need to do is do the
predictable things better. I mean, you look at the Lions
and all of the the and I bring them up
obviously because of the Ben Johnson interest. You know, all
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of the things that they do, the hook and ladder
in the middle of the game, the throws to the
tackles who become eligible. Well, it's because they do the
little things well, right, I mean they can run the ball,
they can execute on third down. For the Dagwars to
become unpredictable means that they've got to play better with
the things that everyone can tell they're going to do.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of a chicken
in the egg thing, which came first. I think to
get unpredictable, I think you need to get better And I.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Think It's what Brian's saying as well.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
It's very hard to be to have super creativity when
you're facing second and twelve. It's really easy to be
creative on second and three, which means if you run
well or a fishing in your basics early in downs,
you get more plays.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You can be unpredictable.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
So I think what Shod saw and the fans saw
is real. I don't think it was very unpredictable, but
I do think you have to get better overall to
get unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Put yourself in a situation where you can be a
little more creative.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
I think, yeah, sort of the same thing on defense, right,
I mean, okay, blitzmore and I don't know exactly what
Shod meant in terms of predictability on deff, so I'm
not putting words in his mouth, but you would say,
blitz more, do more exotic things. If you can't stop
the run, which they couldn't, it doesn't matter how exotic
you are.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You're getting rolled well.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
And you look at Josh Allen, who Josh heinz Al
who got you the Mega contract before the season.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
He had lots of pressures.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I mean he was always around the quarterback, but he
didn't get as many as he did the year before
because the Jaguars were always playing from behind and teams
were running the ball because they could and because they
wanted to run out the clock when you're up by
a couple of scores. So I mean it goes back
to complimentary football, right. I mean you've got to be
a team that you can be dependable before you can
be unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yes, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Let's move to our second hot take from that inter availability,
I should say Trent Bulk says they're going to go
into this head coaching process, interview process right away and
get things going. But he also thinks this can be
a quick turnaround.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
I think when you look at where we were in
twenty two leading into the twenty two season, and going
from where we were in twenty one to twenty two,
I don't think there's any reason why we can't repeat that,
you know. I think there's there's a lot of there's
a lot of good young players on this team. There's
a lot to look forward to, you know, and and
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the fan base deserves it. They deserve a winner, and
that's what you set out to do every day. You
wake up, come into the building, and you know, we've
got a great group of people in this building that
have that mindset, you know. So I do think this
thing can be flipped and flipped quick and looking forward
to to getting to work on it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
John obviously, Sean conn thinks there's a lot of good things,
good pieces in the building making the playoffs two years ago.
Trent Falke thinks this can be a quick flip. We've
seen it elsewhere. Can that be done here?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, it can be a quick flip, meaning I firmly
believe that you can go from three to fourteen, especially
with the close.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Games, to back to competitive.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I think you can get back to competitive in an
AFC set that's not great. What I've said multiple times
on this show, what I hope that they don't do
is let's quick flip to get to nine and eight.
That is doable. Getting what we all want is get
to Detroit, Buffalo, Eagles, Kansas City, Right. I don't know
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if that's that quick, but I think you can make
that first step. What you hope is that getting to
that first step, and I'm probably not saying this very well,
get to that first step, but don't do it just
to get there, make sure it's long term, make sure
they are foundation things that you can move beyond that
as well, because I think in twenty two they got there,
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couldn't quite get further.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Well, two things stand out.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
One, the quarterback has to emerge from two injury plagued seasons.
I mean the last game he played this year was
November third, right, I mean last game he started and
played it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I take that back.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
He played in the Texans game, but you know, briefly
before he was injured, so you know you didn't have
him the last too much of the season effectively, and
you didn't have him healthy the last month and a
half of the season last year. So if he emerges
and who they hire will have something to do with this,
and becomes the quarterback that we all think he can become,
then that goes a long way towards solving a lot
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of your problems. And then the other is on the
man who just talked, and that's Trent. He's got to
go and draft another BTJ. Right, and at number five,
you'd like to think that that would be something that
he could do. There's seven or eight we're told guys
with first round grades. You're right, there, go draft another
player who will come in as a rookie and make
a big impact, likely to be on the defensive side
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of the ball, because that's where it's heavy up there.
Go do it again. That's where it's on him. And
to get back to you know, twenty twenty two in
free agency, because you know they're going to spend some
money in free agency and don't swing at older guys
who are you know, on the tail end of their career,
like Eric Armstead, like Ronald Darby. You've got to be
impactful with Christian Kirk and having Ingram and for ye Lukon.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Yeah, I think Brian's first thing as we get further
away from the week to week, you know, micro focused
on the details.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
It's all the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
The Trevor's got to be more special and more elite
than he has been. He showed it for about three
or four games in the middle of twenty three where
that he was getting there, and then the injuries game.
It's been sort of off since.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It's got to get back on. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Our third hot take today is gonna come from the
locker room when we talked to some of the players
and they were cleaning things out Yesterday, Eric Armstead talked
a little bit about how he was playing at edge
this year, but he wants to go back to his
original position.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Yeah, I'm gonna move back inside next year. That that's
gonna be my plan. You know, that was what I
wanted to do, you know, this season as well too.
But you know, there's there's situations that you have to
deal with, you know, in this league. And yes, I'm
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a switch back inside, which was what I wanted to
do this season, and I'm a deep back playing to
you know, elite player that I know I can be.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Arms is saying saying he wants to go back inside
on the defensive line. He's playing edge a good chunk
of this year, not really a starter what he's used
to doing, saying he wants to go back and he's
gonna do that next year. So I'll take Airic crimsaid
will be the starting defensive tackle in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, he's laying it at the feet of the defensive staff.
I guess, you know, this was a mistake on my part.
This was one of the guys John that I thought, Okay, listen,
he's coming in. He's he's gonna give you something inside,
because that's what he had always been in San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He'd been a Pro Bowl caliber player. He has the height, he.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Has the length, he has the leverage, and he gave
you a sack an opening day.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Thought okay, and then he.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Started playing, So I just listen, we don't have a
ton of Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot. He didn't
give you a whole lot when he did go inside
to the middle. Either this is that this is the
storyline to fallow.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, I'm flummixed and.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I don't know what to say this because I've been
asked so many times what was going on with this?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I guess maybe the best.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Thing to do with the Eric Armstead story is he's
going to be here next year.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Evidently he's playing tackle.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I think the new coordinators will be thrilled to learn
that when they get the job. So maybe it's just
time to say, Okay, Eric Armstead, whatever story was this year,
let's see what it is next year, because he has talent,
and it just seemed like one of those everyone's on
free agency, you get one of those where you're like,
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what's going on? And this was that he lumbered off
the edge. So maybe this is the time next year.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Have it through the season.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
We'll be riding a success story.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Sure, hope what happens to because now all of a sudden,
you seem to have a glood of tackles. Right, You've
got Devon Hamilton, who's gonna be here because he's got
twenty million dollars in dead money on the cap for you.
You drafted Mason Smith and he shows you something at
the end of the year, and you have Jordan Jefferson.
What I hope doesn't happen is you pass on Mason
Graham if he's the best player at number five, because
you say, well, we've got Eric Armstead to play in there. No,
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don't pass on a great young player at a position
of need. I still think because Devon is getting a
little long in the tooth and Eric is that you
need defensive tackle. I hope Eric Armstead's presence in the
middle doesn't prevent them from taking the best player available
on the board if that happens to be the defensive
tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, it's a legitimate concern.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
I would guess that it wouldn't because you can rotate there,
and because Trent does believe in big guys, but your point.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Is about stay with us.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Where you are going to hear a little bit more
from the players is out their lockers yesterday and talked
a little bit about Doug peterson sireing the move the
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Speaker 9 (20:16):
Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,
we all had a hand in, you know, this season
and just how the way things have shaken out. I
have a ton of respect for Doug. He's maybe a
better football player, a better man, and you know, I
think he's one of the better coaches to have coached
in this league. And it's just unfortunate the way that
(20:38):
things went. But obviously the organization has to make a
decision that they feel his best going forward.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, I've received a Christian Kirk in here yesterday kind
of giving his thoughts on the firing of head coach
Doug Peterson. Obviously the unfortunate situation, and talked a lot
about how much he's helped him as a player. But
I think one of the things and good to hear
from christ and the players is taking that accountability right
off the top of we all didn't do what we
needed to this year, and unfortunately this is what happens.
(21:06):
Some person has to take the fall. John, But uh,
I think there's an understanding that they all need to
be better.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I thought it was interesting and as you as you
go on and you learn more about different players and
how the league sort of works. Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk,
who might be the most aware league savvy guys in
that locker room, meaning hey we've seen this, both said Hey,
you know, I I'm paraphrasing fire, Doug, fire, if you want,
(21:35):
we gotta be better. And so they know the coaches
get fired. They also know from being around that locker
room that there were plays that didn't get made.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Trayvon Walker mentioned it that there was a lull when
they were losing where he wasn't sure that everybody was
brought in w was going right? And you know, Trayvon,
it's a different level, but he's been around Georgia's success
national championships.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
He sort of knew wasn't right. Now.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Part of that's the coach bringing that right, But a
little bit is the guy is saying, hey, this is
our team. It's a players league. Those guys matter who's
leading have to do a better job of that next year.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Collectively. I mean, I'm not talking about those three, but collectively,
it's gotta be uh more of a wanted Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Let's hear from Trayvon as well. We have him talking yesterday.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
Definitely something that me personally, I don't wanna hear the
I think he's a great coach. Uh he He's done
some great things of this organization on Uh, he's a
great guy, great coach. Like I said, I wouldn't wish
that on anyone. But no, it's life. We all based
with obstacles in life and we just gotta keep going.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So obviously, you know, Doug had a ton of respect
in that locker room, and I don't think anyone's saying
he's a bad football coach. It it's unfortunate the way
things worked out, the way things panned out here, and
I wonder what they'll kind of go. We'll talk tomorrow
more about what that coaching search is gonna look like,
but I wonder what kind of personality they'll look to
bring in or what kind of style.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Well, it was interesting, you know a lot of the
veteran players were asked what do you want? And none
of them knew what to answer, in part out of
respect for Doug, because the question itself says, hey, what
do you want that you weren't getting here right. But
the other side of it was they had such respect
for Doug. Doug played the game, had been in the
league for thirty years, and I don't know that it
(23:21):
was anything that they saw in Doug that they think
they needed to have. I thought the respect was well
founded for him in that sense. It goes back to accountability,
and these guys know that if this team is going
to go anywhere, it's going to be on them.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
They're all going to have to do more.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
And John, that seems so easy to say, you go
to do more on the field, but it isn't just
doing more on the field. It's doing more off the
field away from the building off season. It's about taking
ownership of your career and your impact in this locker
room and projecting it and getting away from FOOTBA a
little bit, but not too far so that you understand
(24:02):
that your preparation and what you bring to the table
when you leave this building every night during the season
or when you're around here in the off season, it's
on you. You've got to be your best otherwise you don't
last in this league.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
It's needing to win and having it be something that
you can't live without. And I'm not sure that you
have enough of that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Whoever the head coach is my first move a Trevor.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I have a leadership council, whatever, treymon Walker and everybody
doesn't shut the door because you need him. He progressed
in this direction this year, in year four, next year.
Outside of Trevor Lawrence, this needs to be treymon Walker's
team because he's a guy that you look to in
terms of approach, in terms of desire, that you can
(24:52):
build around his persona.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well and listen, as a player on the field, We've
been talking about how good he is in so many situations.
But look, they don't make it overtime if he doesn't
get that sack in all likelihood, right, it's third and
three at the fifty yard line, Joe Flacco's carving you up,
and he comes around the corner and makes the sack
that forced them to punt in the Jags get to
overtime and have a chance. He's that good of a player,
(25:16):
and I'm not sure that people so widely recognize just
how good he is. But he's good on the field,
he's good off the field, in the community, in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
He's a terrific football player.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You're so right, well, Betj's best player on the team.
Trayvine is close to yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think the interesting thing about I will say both
of them. Brian not quite there yet, but Trayvon makes
people around him better too, which I think we don't
give him a ton of credit for. But he covers
up a lot of things I think sometimes and obviously
what he's been able to do to help Josh and
if they ever get a rush from the middle, they'll
have something really going there. But his having players that
can make other people better is something you absolutely need.
(25:52):
And obviously we need to see that more from Trevor
as well, but to have some others that can do
it is huge. So say with us, we'll talk a
little bit more about what's coming up this week, and
we'll talk a little bit more about this coaching search.
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(26:16):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I talked to the players regularly, Okay, so and I
don't want to identify Trevor or anyone else by name,
but uh, you know, listen to you know what's going
to make them successful. But this isn't, you know, let's
be clear, a second coming of Aaron Rodgers two point oh. Okay,
(26:38):
so it's it's I mean, you know, we're going to
do the right thing for the team, and obviously our
goal is if Trevor doesn't get better, the other players
don't get better, we're not gonna win. So the coaches
coming in know who our foundational players are and they
have to be committed to, you know, making them better.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Owner Shad Cohn was asked about whether he would be
consulting Trevor Lawrence when he was making the selection for
the new head coach, and he said he does talk
to the players, he consults with them, but it's not
gonna be an Aaron Rodgers situation in New York, which
a nice little dig for no reason, but I appreciated
it anyway, And so I think more the question would be,
is you need someone that comes in and believes they
(27:23):
can work with Trevor and get him to that point
that we need him to be at, right, because at
this point, you don't want to be wasting this section
of his career where, if he can stay healthy, should
be entering a prime time of his career and they
need to come in be able to get him that level,
and whatever their planner method might be will be a
big part of this process.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
I'm sure that's the reason that everybody is so hot
on Ben Johnson because what he's been able to do
with Jared Goff. And yeah, I mean that's why I
would be so interested in that as well. But if
Ben Johnson doesn't end up here, that doesn't mean they
won't find somebody that can come and do it as well. Remember,
I mean Dan Campbell hired Benjasen, and I would say
most people don't know or didn't know who Ben Johnson was.
(28:04):
That would be the question that I have for every
single candidate. Tell me who's going to get my quarterback
to that point? The offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is the
most important person that my new head coach is going
to bring in.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, if Sean gets a feeling of any candidate that
he's not one hundred percent all in in his heart
and soul on Trevor Lawrence, move on, because that's got
to work.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And if and I think.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
They'll get somebody who's who they really really want. If
it's a Ben Johnson, if it's another offensive, you can
guarantee they wouldn't even be taking the interview if from
afar they didn't believe this kid could do it. So
stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Do you think, just as a question, do you think
that this job is the most attractive.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Job out there right now? Because that's listen, that's.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
The narrative with people who believe that Trent Balkey is
slowing it down, that he'll keep them from being there.
The owner is obviously betting that that he can make
this the most attractive job.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Where do you place it? Do you think it's you know,
top one or two?
Speaker 6 (29:11):
I don't cover the other team, so I don't know
the details. I do know, you know, it's the old cliche.
You're in Florida, you have an owner who is not
a quick trigger owner and who everybody out there shod con.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This shod con that.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Coaches measure owners by patients by staying out of the
way and.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Do they support well.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Nobody in the league is going to tell anybody that
shod Con doesn't support in terms of money, in terms
of and so whether it's the best job in the
league or not depends on how people feel about Traver
good point.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So we'll be with you guys one more day this week.
We'll talk a little bit about some of those coaching
interviews that are gonna be taking place and some possible
candidates here, and also just a little bit of a
preview about free agency and what the off season is
going to look like for the team. That's a great
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