February 26, 2025 • 28 mins
J.P. Shadrick and John Oehser are live from the 2025 NFL Scouting Combine for a special edition of Jags A.M.. The crew welcomes on Judy Battista of NFL Media to share an outside perspective on the Jaguars feature following the facelift of the coaching and personnel staff this offseason. Lastly, the group talks through some proposed rule changes that will be discussed during the upcoming NFL Owners Meeting including banning the Tush Push and more kickoff adjustments. Watch the 2025 NFL Scouting Combine on NFL Network starting this Thursday at 3 p.m. ET
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
From the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It is Jaggs Am J P.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Shadwick with John Ogier and we start right off the
rip today with Judy Bautista, NFL Network, the Goat.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Nice to see you, good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Very much, great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Good how are you well.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks
for taking some time this morning. We've got plenty to
get to. We'll hear from Liam Cohen and James Gladstone
coming up in just a little bit. But here we
are again, Jaguars with a new staff in place. The
process to get to this point. I feel like we've
had this story at the Combine a lot over the
last thirty years or so, but this is the youngest
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of the Oh my goodness, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They're young? But I think that's okay. First of all,
we've seen that.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Trend in the NFL going towards younger energy. Seems to
be a big thing that teams.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Want, right that that factor.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I think we saw that in Carolina when they hired
Dad Canalis last year. Seems sort of thing they wanted,
that vibe and somebody who can connect with a young
quarterback and that's certainly when you hear them, and you
don't even need to hear them, you just know it.
You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know
if they've got to connect and get the most out
of Trevor to make this war.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
And the McVeigh tree, if you will, as trees do.
They seem to be sort of growing roots and defining
a lot of the league the way other systems have
in the past. What do you think about their approach
works overall? And that's it's becoming such a mainstay.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Of the league.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I do think the emphasis on offense, I mean
is just and the emphasis on quarterback play and quarterback development,
I mean, this is where the league is, right. I
think we all love the idea of well, defense wins championships,
and that's true to a degree. But if you don't
have top level quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
And Philadelphia is absolutely the perfect example of that. Right,
they have tremendous defensive play, they have a tremendous running back,
but if Jalen Hurts doesn't have a great stretch during
the playoffs and certainly in the Super Bowl, like, are
they the world champions? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now, I don't think so. You're still not.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Getting there without top level quarterback play. And so to
the extent that the McVeigh tree has produced guys who
can connect with quarterbacks and get the best out of quarterbacks,
that's what's going to be successful these days.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Judy Batista, NFL Media with US.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Is mister Kahn's four heat season of ownership coming up?
You're close to a lot of the ownership around the NFL.
He's going to be seventy five years old next year.
He's done in a number of different ways putting together
football leadership, but now he's split it up into three
distinct roles, the head coach, the GM and the EVP
of football operations at Tony Boselli. What is the general
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consensus on mister Kahn's ownership around the league when when
you hear from others in a similar position.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Well, first of all, I think most importantly for fans, right,
he is willing to invest his money in the team
and in surrounding them with everything they need to be successful.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean the facility, the training facility is fantastic. Right,
They're going to upgrade the stadium, like he is willing
to spend whatever it takes to win. Then it is
just a matter of the GM and you know football
ops like doing their jobs well and coaches doing their
jobs well. But from an ownership person respective, he is
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what you want because he is willing to put his
money behind what he wants. But he is also not meddling, right,
Like he is empowering people, right, and he did that
and he's done that with past regimes too. But he
empowers his people that he thinks of the right people
to do what they think needs to be done. You know,
the question is has he empowered the right people? But
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that's the same question that every franchise right faces And
like you know, Shot is a relatively new owner in
the scheme of the NFL. You've seen franchises with much
longer ownership tenures right, family owners who have been family
owners since the very beginning who struggle with this. So
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it is it's not a matter of like Shobs too
new with this. He still doesn't know what he's doing, Like, oh,
they all struggle with it at some point. So I
think for fans, he's what you wanted an owner because
he is willing to spend what needs to be spent.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I think what people lose sight of it. That is,
it takes a while for an owner to figure out
how to do it. And each sort of regime you
put in, it's not like there's a six month learning
curve on that. Each regime you put in is a
four or five year process, So it tends to take
a while. It's like you said, there's really no magic.
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Everybody asked me all seasons, should they do an e VP?
Should they do just GM? There's no magic formula, right, No,
some have it and.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It works and some don't and it works like it's
it's just do you have the right people in place?
And so let's be honest. So much of this is luck.
Do you hit on the right quarterback? Does that quarterback
rot continue to develop?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Do you avoid injuries?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I mean just on a year to year basis, so
much of wins and losses goes to things that you
just can't even anticipate.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I have questions for the NFL experts.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
To talk to the experts.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Off season trends. As you start to look at the
off season, what's going to shape the NFL? Until we
get to maybe OTA's what are going to be the
storylines You're looking for at the owners meetings, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, first of I mean at the owner's meetings. I'm
curious to see how much more they add to replay
assist because they've.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Which is a slippery slope when they do that right
correct now.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I think they like the way it worked last year,
which was, you know, basically hits to the head and
neck of a quarterback. Like it very narrowly defined. They
would allow replay assists to say like, nah, that they
didn't really hit them in the head, pick up the flag.
But they want to add more. Roger Goodell said this,
they want to use technology to help officials. He spent
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a lot of time defending officials at the Super Bowl,
and I think they recognize the game is so fast
that it is very hard for officials to officiate it
correctly in real time, whereas the rest of us you
get to watch on a monitor and see a million
replays and slow motion.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Obviously that person was hitting the head. Why wasn't a
flag throne? Of course that's a face mask.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well, you know not when the guys are running at
full speed and the official is trailing, it's very hard
to see. So I'm curious to see how much more
replaces they're willing to use. They've always been reluctant to
use it to like add penalties that were not already
thrown on the field. And that is the question is
are they going to cross that bridge?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Well, because that's a big The spirit of replay originally
was get the call right if the guy in the
sports bar can see it right.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And then when.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
You're talking about what you're talking about, are they bringing
back pass interference into it?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Which is just that I think that that I think
scarred them so significantly that it's going to be a
long time before we get to subjective calls being reviewable.
That was moved such a mask. But right, you're moving
toward things like that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
What about the push pleasure?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So, like nothing I've ever tweeted got as much traction
as when I tweeted that there was a team that
wanted to get rid of the push.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Play and it was the Packers that brought it up.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
It is the Packers and Mark Murphy, who is about
to retire, had written about his opposition to the push play.
Here's the thing about the push play. It looks like
a play that should cause injuries, right except it's run
so infrequently that there's no injury data, so the league
can't look at it and say, look at all this
injury data, we got to get rid of this play.
There's just nothing to suggest that because knock on wood,
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Jalen Hurts doesn't get hurt. They're awesome at it. Very
few other teams even attempted, so there's not that thing
that could push them to ban it. There's also the
element of people who just think, like, this doesn't really
look like a football play, right, This looks like a
rugby play should allowed that it doesn't feel right. The
reality of the situation, though, is like once a defense
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stops it, people will stop running it.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
The fact is nobody has effectively stopped it right, and
nobody stopped it knock on wood, nobody's gotten hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I keep saying, and this is a fatalist way of
looking at it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But like the first time a quarterback attempts it and
gets his shoulder dislocated will be the last time that
play is run right, right, Like that will be the
end of the play. I it's very hard to get
twenty four votes on anything, very hard to get ownership
to agree on anything.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Twenty four votes. I'd be really surprised.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
If they get rid of it, because I think the
answer is, like stop it, get your defense to stop it,
and will stop running it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Jaguar stopped it twice this year, that's right, two point plays.
It blew up the center. It was a highlight and
his in went up and ran into the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I mean the reality is, and I mean you heard
Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
He's like, I'm sort of offended by this, you know, Like,
I mean, they're really good at it and they practice it,
which is why other teams are not as good at it,
because first of all, they don't have a quarterback who
can squat whatever it is he squats six hundred pounds
or something ridiculous. They don't have, you know, Jordan Malatta.
They always run it right behind him right and he
goes down low. They didn't have Jason Kelsey who could
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really go so they don't have the personnel. They don't
have the commitment to running it. They're not practicing it
the way the Eagles do. If other teams had those elements,
they would be able to run it to and defenses
need to figure out how to stop it. You saw
the Chiefs in the Super Bowl try to line up
Chris Jones turned sideways.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
He got hurt.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I think on that play, so that again, I I
hate to put it this way, but you know, the
first time it's run in a quarterback gets blown up
and gets hurt, that will probably be the last time
it gets run.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
And then there's the precedent if you stop that play
the next time Simmy comes it to the play, Well,
why don't you stop that too, right.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean, like just I mean, you got to. I
would be really surprised if they ban it. Let's put
it that line.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Judy Bautista, NFL Media Final, A couple of minutes with
you mentioned the new group here, Bosselli, Gladstone Cohen, how
long is the honeymoon last.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
First week the season usually? I think, Look, I think
you have to give new regimes time. I mean, unless
it is just a complete catastrophe, which obviously we've had before.
But I think you have to give them some time
to get the players that they think fit their program.
You know, you can't redo a roster in one off season.
(11:05):
You can do a lot, but you can't do the
whole thing. You got to give them time to get
their program in, but you know, they got to win
some games too. And I think mostly what you have
to see to convince you that this is going to
work is just Trevor get righted right, because a few
years ago, Trevor was clearly on the upward path right
and was soaring and they made the push into the
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playoffs and you're thinking, wow, the future is now. They
look great and then things have just declined since then.
And so I think the first thing you got to
see is does Trevor look comfortable? Are they doing things
in the off season to help Trevor? Are they shoring
up the offensive line right like they got to work
on that?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Like?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Are they doing things that will enhance the fact that
you have this guy?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Two final thoughts on rules. Do they care enough about
kickoffs to adjust it again? And can they fix on
side kick? Is there anything like that?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I think they're probably going to adjust the kickoff to
move the much back line up to the thirty five.
That will incentifize teams not to kick it into the
end zone. That should give you more returns. Hopefully they
keep the concussion rate low, because that was the real
reason for changing the kickoff on on side kick. They
have been discussing with the special teams, coaches, changing the alignment.
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The problem with the onside kick is, you know, if
you're a kicking team and you're trying to recover an
onside kick, how do you do that? Well, you blow
up the other guy, right like you just absolutely the
last day, which is what they don't want. So they
got to figure out a way, like if you adjust
the alignment, do you give a team the better chance
to recover they only need The historic rate of recovery
of an on side kick is only thirteen point five percent,
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so you don't have to generate all that many. You
just have to generate some. So we'll see if they
come up with that.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I don't know, somewhat more interesting, yes, I.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Mean it's right now it is a ceremonial play, and
they don't want those.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Would they do the fourth and fifteen idea?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
There's still teams that think that's something to look at.
But I mean you talk to some coaches and not coaches,
some owners who's say that is gimmicky and we don't
want that. That's always been the argument against it. But
they also have to come up with something.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Judy, you're the best, Judy Bautista, NFL Media. Always a
pleasure to visit with you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Great to be here with you guys.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Good to see you rest of the week.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
How long are you here?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I leave my hotel tomorrow at four am. My flights
at six am, so not much longer.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah that is thanks Judy. Thanks see you later, Judy
Bautista with us back in a moment. We'll hear from
Jaguars head coach Liam Cohen when we return. It's Jaggs Am,
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Welcome back. It's Jags Am from the Indiana Convention Center
in Indianapolis, just across the street from Lucas Oil Stadium.
The NFL scouting Combine is underway and the first prospects
were at the podium this morning defensive lineman. The on
field work begins a little bit later this week. JP Shaddick,
John Oser, thanks to Judy Batista, NFL Media. Let's get
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into the big things of the week, John, and start
off with Liam Cohen, the Jaguars new head coach, making
the rounds yesterday at the podium on Radio Row doing
some one on ones and with us as well. There's
that big question about who has final say.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Just doesn't even like hit my brain. That's what's crazy
about the question. Is I get the question. We all do.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
But if that's what's driving us, we.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Have no shot.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We have no shot.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Ego and agenda will not take place in this organization
for us, It just won't. We if we cannot make
a decision, we are completely on opposite ends of the
spectrum when it comes to any decision, We've got to
move on from that decision.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
How do we pivot?
Speaker 7 (14:58):
There's plenty, especially with player acquisition, there's so many players
that we can go and move on to that maybe
we're closer on right. If we're completely on the opposite
ends of the spectrum, we got to move on.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
That's the head coach John and pretty clearly they are
trying to Yeah, they're hearing that question a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Sometimes reality and the way people analyze things differs from how.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
They're different.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
People always want to know what final say is, and
the reality is, once you get inside a building and
you're talking about draft picks, you're talking about free agents,
it's usually not a situation where the GM and the
head coach are sitting on the opposite side is playing battleship,
sinking each other right, there's usually common ground. They all
who the good players are. Hey, can we afford this
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guy with this bunch. I just don't think there's gonna
be Holy Wars in that sense, and I think the
approach that they're taking makes a lot of sense. Look,
if there's a guy that they're not aligned on, then
it's not gonna work anyway. So move on to the
next guy. And so now at some point, if in
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two years they're not winning and there's battles and whatnot,
because that kind of thing happens, then that might change.
But this system is they're doing it. It makes sense.
They've all come from that sort of system and it's
what they're going with. So we'll keep hearing about final say,
and they'll keep laughing at it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I just picture when you said the battleship the electric
battleship game with the noises and the thing, Yes, you
suck my battles Yeah, yeah, So now that would be interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
That would be a good uh Jaguars behind the.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Scenes, certainly, let's hear from James Ladstone Jaguars GM also
on the podium yesterday here in Indianapolis and making the
rounds with us as well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Clear communication is key.
Speaker 8 (16:57):
That is such a key component to finding success really
in any walk of life, right in any partnership. So
it's definitely something that I value. And you know, I
think back to my dad was such an influence all
my life in a small group setting. I don't think
that there's anybody who does a better job than him,
And so to emulate kind of sure, his cadence, his rhythm,
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things like that. It was easy to apply that because
I grew up in the same house as him, right,
so he was he was my football coach. He was
a guy that I worked with as a coach, so
you know, being around that for so many years, it
was just easy to emulate.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Glad still thirty four years of age now the general manager.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Well, he's he's really impressive. I mean I didn't know
much about him because there's really no way to know
a lot about assistant general managers and other teams. They're
not in the media a whole lot. They don't talk
to the press a whole lot, so you don't get
a feel for what these guys are like. You can
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tell very quickly listening to him and talking to him
that this guy is a communicator on a high level.
And you might say, well, so what everybody can talk, right,
everybody can communicate, But as he said, I don't think
it was in that SoundBite. The NFL is so complex
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and there's so many moving parts and there's so many
different people involved that the ability for the general manager
to communicate exactly what they're looking for, exactly what they're
looking for in a player, exactly what the goals are,
exactly what the objectives are, and to get people on
the same page and talking and get his systems working,
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it's very difficult. Bill Poullin, who I worked with in Indianapolis,
was very good at that in terms of making sure
the scouts knew what the coaches wanted and the coaches
could communicate what they're looking for in players. I haven't
been around James Glastow. He's never been a GM, so
I can't compare him to a Hall of Famer, but
he does seem to have that trait of being able
to communicate his ideas and his thoughts very well. Think
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that's very important for a GM, and you know he's uh.
I don't want to get into a brain braw competition
with him. Put it that way, because I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, probably not.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
He's a sharp guy, he is.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Let's now finish for our final big thing today, the
path Forward, and it really begins with meetings here at
the Combine for the coaching staff. Yes, they're having meetings
with prospects and the normal Combine activities here interviews and watching,
testing and all that, but they're also having staff meetings
just trying to get their systems in place, offense, defense
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and everything. Well, they can't waste any time, so it begins.
The path forward begins here in Indianapolis. The entire staff
is here.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yeah, I think this is going to be a topic
because Gladstone got hired in late February and you have
free agency three weeks away. But I think the way
they explained it makes a lot of sense. Most teams
don't you think about the calendar, JP, We've been around
this for a while. Most teams don't start releasing play
for cap reasons and signing. Even other teams released free
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agents until a few days before the freegency begins, because
the meetings are really taking place now. There's other things
going on in January, and then they start full bore
on free agency right now. So there's I think Gladstone's
going to be very busy in the next few weeks
getting caught up on, to use his word, calibrated with
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everything else is going on. But the system that the
Jaguars have had in place has been ongoing already, So
it's an interesting week on that front. They're bonding. It
sounds like they're on a really cool road trip where
there's camaraderie going on. I think that's an element for them,
But I think in terms of football stuff, I just
don't think it's going to set them behind it all
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in what they're trying to do, And I think by
the time the league year rolls around, it's gonna feel
pretty seamless and you're not gonna get the sense at
all of a franchise behind.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, we're closing in on the start of the league year.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
March twelfth comes up quick. Yeah, I just thinking them
and they made the Super Bowl back one more year,
I mean or one more week. So uh, it's a
quick it's a quick turnaround the off season for all teams.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
There you have it.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
We're back in a moment plenty more ahead here from
Indianapolis on Jags A.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
M Yeah, that's what this is it's being able to
be around the guys where we finally have complete you know,
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basically finalize this staff, really get into the weeds of now, Hey,
the communication that we have with each other. The offensive
staff is meeting currently right now.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And then when you get.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Into the evaluation and get into some of these formal
meetings settings, Hey, we're evaluating coaches just as much as
anything and able to give feedback and see what these
guys can truly do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's been exciting. Liam Cohen, Jaguars head coach yesterday.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
The full availability and our.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
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also coming up tomorrow, John, Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You'll be on for a segment. Well, be cool forward
to that and then it's.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Frisco and Boselli for what could be one of the
final times together.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I mean four fifteen. I hope you'll join us.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
It's been a great show. Jaguars fans love it. Tony's
roles changing a bit, so to have him on the air,
you know, arguing with the little Italian guy, you know,
probably won't continue, but it's you know, look, I love
the show. They've both been I've known both for well
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over thirty years. Tony's become a friend. Pete's one of
my best friends in the business. Anybody who has enjoyed
that show knows it'll be missed in the Jaguars ecosystem
is a big word. It'll be missed. But I can
tell you this, Tony Boselli, in the role that he's in,
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is having a huge impact on the organization and an
incredibly positive light. He sees the details. He is having
an unbelievable impact on the culture already. So whatever trade
off of not having him on the air, you know,
TB seventy one is you know doing now I think
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what he's meant to do. So the show will be missed,
but he's in the right place.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and one more chance tomorrow to hear those two together.
Uh maybe not for the last time ever, but I
mean certainly for the foreseeable future. It feels like and
Tony should have some type of We'll figure out some
things to get him on the air some ways, but
it just won't be reacting to a game on Monday
as we usually did.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Well, I mean I think the plan right now is
to have a podcast with Tony so.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well early still, you know, figure out the scheduling and everything.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah, so he'll offer his thoughts, but just probably not
in the same vein as on that show.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We had some knockdown drag outs of that show. I
will tell you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That sometimes you didn't. There was sometimes I had no
idea what Pete was gonna say after a game. Well, yeah,
sometimes it's pretty clear. Yeah, you know, and he's he
was good either way. That's what he does. Yes, he does.
So that's coming up tomorrow at four o'clock. We'll have
it right here from Indianapolis. Let's come back in a moment.
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We'll wrap up this show. We get a lot coming
up today, a schedule of guests who will sit down
with us here at Radio Row.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And this is jaggs Am.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It is jags Am from Indianapolis, the Indiana Convention Center,
the NFL Scouting Combine.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Final couple of moments. J P.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Shadwick, John Ozer, thanks to Judy Batista. A busy day
to day here on the road.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
John.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We've got all kind of guests lined up. Mark Ross,
NFL Media, will join us here a little bit later.
We'll tape all these and get him out as the
day goes along. Charles Davis from like everywhere, CBS, NFL Media,
Sirius XM Radio.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I don't know what he doesn't do. We'll ask him that.
Coming up. Lant Zerline, NFL media draft.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Analyst, very good, get his thoughts on the NFL Draft
and the number five pick, especially Rhet Lewis NFL Media
went to college at Indiana just down the road. But
we'll get his thoughts on what's going on with the
Jaguars organization.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's all coming up today.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We'll have a huddle up with Bucky Brooks that will
take a little later this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Also looking forward to seeing Bucky. He's the mayor of
the combine.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He is, you know, I haven't seen him do other.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Take a number to talk to him one of those
things he's take and you wait.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Call his secretary and line up some time with Bucky
before to that, and you know.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
As we wrap a few thoughts on yesterday with James
Gladstone and Liam Cohen, it was interesting to hear Gladstone
talk a little bit about how he plans to build
the roster. They don't typically get too deep into it,
but he clearly leaned toward the draft. I think they'll
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be participants in free agency. I think over time they're
going to want to try to be a draft and
developed team. I liked that I would be in favor
of staying as far away from free He's as you possibly.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Can front line for you.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, big money, and it sounds like in the long
run they want to do that. I also thought it
was interesting that Doug Gladstone clearly thinks, like Liam Cohen,
that that this should be a much better team quickly.
He said a couple of times, I think you're gonna see,
uh the personnel used a little differently, get a little
more out of it.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
There's a feeling from these guys that you know, they're
not saying it and beating the table, but I think
they think they can get a lot better really quickly.
And uh, that's sort of confidence. I don't think it's false,
you know, I don't think it's overstating it. But there's
a feeling that they get they can get this turned
around quickly. There are holes in the roster, there's stuff
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that has to be done, but I think I think
you're gonna see progress pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Great stuff, Johnny, A good show. Let's do it again
tomorrow or later today.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'll be here.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's John Oser. I'm JP Shatterick. Thanks for ourring tire
Krubos here and back in Jacksonville. And again thanks to
Judy Batista, NFL Media. Thanks to you for watching Jaggs
any
From the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It is Jaggs Am J P.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Shadwick with John Ogier and we start right off the
rip today with Judy Bautista, NFL Network, the Goat.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Nice to see you, good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Very much, great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Good how are you well.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks
for taking some time this morning. We've got plenty to
get to. We'll hear from Liam Cohen and James Gladstone
coming up in just a little bit. But here we
are again, Jaguars with a new staff in place. The
process to get to this point. I feel like we've
had this story at the Combine a lot over the
last thirty years or so, but this is the youngest
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of the Oh my goodness, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They're young? But I think that's okay. First of all,
we've seen that.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Trend in the NFL going towards younger energy. Seems to
be a big thing that teams.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Want, right that that factor.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I think we saw that in Carolina when they hired
Dad Canalis last year. Seems sort of thing they wanted,
that vibe and somebody who can connect with a young
quarterback and that's certainly when you hear them, and you
don't even need to hear them, you just know it.
You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know
if they've got to connect and get the most out
of Trevor to make this war.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
And the McVeigh tree, if you will, as trees do.
They seem to be sort of growing roots and defining
a lot of the league the way other systems have
in the past. What do you think about their approach
works overall? And that's it's becoming such a mainstay.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Of the league.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I do think the emphasis on offense, I mean
is just and the emphasis on quarterback play and quarterback development,
I mean, this is where the league is, right. I
think we all love the idea of well, defense wins championships,
and that's true to a degree. But if you don't
have top level quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
And Philadelphia is absolutely the perfect example of that. Right,
they have tremendous defensive play, they have a tremendous running back,
but if Jalen Hurts doesn't have a great stretch during
the playoffs and certainly in the Super Bowl, like, are
they the world champions? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now, I don't think so. You're still not.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Getting there without top level quarterback play. And so to
the extent that the McVeigh tree has produced guys who
can connect with quarterbacks and get the best out of quarterbacks,
that's what's going to be successful these days.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Judy Batista, NFL Media with US.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Is mister Kahn's four heat season of ownership coming up?
You're close to a lot of the ownership around the NFL.
He's going to be seventy five years old next year.
He's done in a number of different ways putting together
football leadership, but now he's split it up into three
distinct roles, the head coach, the GM and the EVP
of football operations at Tony Boselli. What is the general
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consensus on mister Kahn's ownership around the league when when
you hear from others in a similar position.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Well, first of all, I think most importantly for fans, right,
he is willing to invest his money in the team
and in surrounding them with everything they need to be successful.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean the facility, the training facility is fantastic. Right,
They're going to upgrade the stadium, like he is willing
to spend whatever it takes to win. Then it is
just a matter of the GM and you know football
ops like doing their jobs well and coaches doing their
jobs well. But from an ownership person respective, he is
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what you want because he is willing to put his
money behind what he wants. But he is also not meddling, right,
Like he is empowering people, right, and he did that
and he's done that with past regimes too. But he
empowers his people that he thinks of the right people
to do what they think needs to be done. You know,
the question is has he empowered the right people? But
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that's the same question that every franchise right faces And
like you know, Shot is a relatively new owner in
the scheme of the NFL. You've seen franchises with much
longer ownership tenures right, family owners who have been family
owners since the very beginning who struggle with this. So
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it is it's not a matter of like Shobs too
new with this. He still doesn't know what he's doing, Like, oh,
they all struggle with it at some point. So I
think for fans, he's what you wanted an owner because
he is willing to spend what needs to be spent.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I think what people lose sight of it. That is,
it takes a while for an owner to figure out
how to do it. And each sort of regime you
put in, it's not like there's a six month learning
curve on that. Each regime you put in is a
four or five year process, So it tends to take
a while. It's like you said, there's really no magic.
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Everybody asked me all seasons, should they do an e VP?
Should they do just GM? There's no magic formula, right, No,
some have it and.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It works and some don't and it works like it's
it's just do you have the right people in place?
And so let's be honest. So much of this is luck.
Do you hit on the right quarterback? Does that quarterback
rot continue to develop?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Do you avoid injuries?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I mean just on a year to year basis, so
much of wins and losses goes to things that you
just can't even anticipate.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I have questions for the NFL experts.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
To talk to the experts.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Off season trends. As you start to look at the
off season, what's going to shape the NFL? Until we
get to maybe OTA's what are going to be the
storylines You're looking for at the owners meetings, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, first of I mean at the owner's meetings. I'm
curious to see how much more they add to replay
assist because they've.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Which is a slippery slope when they do that right
correct now.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I think they like the way it worked last year,
which was, you know, basically hits to the head and
neck of a quarterback. Like it very narrowly defined. They
would allow replay assists to say like, nah, that they
didn't really hit them in the head, pick up the flag.
But they want to add more. Roger Goodell said this,
they want to use technology to help officials. He spent
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a lot of time defending officials at the Super Bowl,
and I think they recognize the game is so fast
that it is very hard for officials to officiate it
correctly in real time, whereas the rest of us you
get to watch on a monitor and see a million
replays and slow motion.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Obviously that person was hitting the head. Why wasn't a
flag throne? Of course that's a face mask.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well, you know not when the guys are running at
full speed and the official is trailing, it's very hard
to see. So I'm curious to see how much more
replaces they're willing to use. They've always been reluctant to
use it to like add penalties that were not already
thrown on the field. And that is the question is
are they going to cross that bridge?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Well, because that's a big The spirit of replay originally
was get the call right if the guy in the
sports bar can see it right.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And then when.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
You're talking about what you're talking about, are they bringing
back pass interference into it?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Which is just that I think that that I think
scarred them so significantly that it's going to be a
long time before we get to subjective calls being reviewable.
That was moved such a mask. But right, you're moving
toward things like that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
What about the push pleasure?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So, like nothing I've ever tweeted got as much traction
as when I tweeted that there was a team that
wanted to get rid of the push.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Play and it was the Packers that brought it up.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
It is the Packers and Mark Murphy, who is about
to retire, had written about his opposition to the push play.
Here's the thing about the push play. It looks like
a play that should cause injuries, right except it's run
so infrequently that there's no injury data, so the league
can't look at it and say, look at all this
injury data, we got to get rid of this play.
There's just nothing to suggest that because knock on wood,
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Jalen Hurts doesn't get hurt. They're awesome at it. Very
few other teams even attempted, so there's not that thing
that could push them to ban it. There's also the
element of people who just think, like, this doesn't really
look like a football play, right, This looks like a
rugby play should allowed that it doesn't feel right. The
reality of the situation, though, is like once a defense
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stops it, people will stop running it.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
The fact is nobody has effectively stopped it right, and
nobody stopped it knock on wood, nobody's gotten hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I keep saying, and this is a fatalist way of
looking at it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But like the first time a quarterback attempts it and
gets his shoulder dislocated will be the last time that
play is run right, right, Like that will be the
end of the play. I it's very hard to get
twenty four votes on anything, very hard to get ownership
to agree on anything.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Twenty four votes. I'd be really surprised.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
If they get rid of it, because I think the
answer is, like stop it, get your defense to stop it,
and will stop running it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Jaguar stopped it twice this year, that's right, two point plays.
It blew up the center. It was a highlight and
his in went up and ran into the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I mean the reality is, and I mean you heard
Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
He's like, I'm sort of offended by this, you know, Like,
I mean, they're really good at it and they practice it,
which is why other teams are not as good at it,
because first of all, they don't have a quarterback who
can squat whatever it is he squats six hundred pounds
or something ridiculous. They don't have, you know, Jordan Malatta.
They always run it right behind him right and he
goes down low. They didn't have Jason Kelsey who could
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really go so they don't have the personnel. They don't
have the commitment to running it. They're not practicing it
the way the Eagles do. If other teams had those elements,
they would be able to run it to and defenses
need to figure out how to stop it. You saw
the Chiefs in the Super Bowl try to line up
Chris Jones turned sideways.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
He got hurt.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I think on that play, so that again, I I
hate to put it this way, but you know, the
first time it's run in a quarterback gets blown up
and gets hurt, that will probably be the last time
it gets run.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
And then there's the precedent if you stop that play
the next time Simmy comes it to the play, Well,
why don't you stop that too, right.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean, like just I mean, you got to. I
would be really surprised if they ban it. Let's put
it that line.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Judy Bautista, NFL Media Final, A couple of minutes with
you mentioned the new group here, Bosselli, Gladstone Cohen, how
long is the honeymoon last.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
First week the season usually? I think, Look, I think
you have to give new regimes time. I mean, unless
it is just a complete catastrophe, which obviously we've had before.
But I think you have to give them some time
to get the players that they think fit their program.
You know, you can't redo a roster in one off season.
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You can do a lot, but you can't do the
whole thing. You got to give them time to get
their program in, but you know, they got to win
some games too. And I think mostly what you have
to see to convince you that this is going to
work is just Trevor get righted right, because a few
years ago, Trevor was clearly on the upward path right
and was soaring and they made the push into the
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playoffs and you're thinking, wow, the future is now. They
look great and then things have just declined since then.
And so I think the first thing you got to
see is does Trevor look comfortable? Are they doing things
in the off season to help Trevor? Are they shoring
up the offensive line right like they got to work
on that?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Like?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Are they doing things that will enhance the fact that
you have this guy?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Two final thoughts on rules. Do they care enough about
kickoffs to adjust it again? And can they fix on
side kick? Is there anything like that?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I think they're probably going to adjust the kickoff to
move the much back line up to the thirty five.
That will incentifize teams not to kick it into the
end zone. That should give you more returns. Hopefully they
keep the concussion rate low, because that was the real
reason for changing the kickoff on on side kick. They
have been discussing with the special teams, coaches, changing the alignment.
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The problem with the onside kick is, you know, if
you're a kicking team and you're trying to recover an
onside kick, how do you do that? Well, you blow
up the other guy, right like you just absolutely the
last day, which is what they don't want. So they
got to figure out a way, like if you adjust
the alignment, do you give a team the better chance
to recover they only need The historic rate of recovery
of an on side kick is only thirteen point five percent,
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so you don't have to generate all that many. You
just have to generate some. So we'll see if they
come up with that.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I don't know, somewhat more interesting, yes, I.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Mean it's right now it is a ceremonial play, and
they don't want those.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Would they do the fourth and fifteen idea?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
There's still teams that think that's something to look at.
But I mean you talk to some coaches and not coaches,
some owners who's say that is gimmicky and we don't
want that. That's always been the argument against it. But
they also have to come up with something.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Judy, you're the best, Judy Bautista, NFL Media. Always a
pleasure to visit with you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Great to be here with you guys.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Good to see you rest of the week.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
How long are you here?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I leave my hotel tomorrow at four am. My flights
at six am, so not much longer.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah that is thanks Judy. Thanks see you later, Judy
Bautista with us back in a moment. We'll hear from
Jaguars head coach Liam Cohen when we return. It's Jaggs Am,
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Welcome back. It's Jags Am from the Indiana Convention Center
in Indianapolis, just across the street from Lucas Oil Stadium.
The NFL scouting Combine is underway and the first prospects
were at the podium this morning defensive lineman. The on
field work begins a little bit later this week. JP Shaddick,
John Oser, thanks to Judy Batista, NFL Media. Let's get
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into the big things of the week, John, and start
off with Liam Cohen, the Jaguars new head coach, making
the rounds yesterday at the podium on Radio Row doing
some one on ones and with us as well. There's
that big question about who has final say.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Just doesn't even like hit my brain. That's what's crazy
about the question. Is I get the question. We all do.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
But if that's what's driving us, we.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Have no shot.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We have no shot.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Ego and agenda will not take place in this organization
for us, It just won't. We if we cannot make
a decision, we are completely on opposite ends of the
spectrum when it comes to any decision, We've got to
move on from that decision.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
How do we pivot?
Speaker 7 (14:58):
There's plenty, especially with player acquisition, there's so many players
that we can go and move on to that maybe
we're closer on right. If we're completely on the opposite
ends of the spectrum, we got to move on.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
That's the head coach John and pretty clearly they are
trying to Yeah, they're hearing that question a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Sometimes reality and the way people analyze things differs from how.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
They're different.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
People always want to know what final say is, and
the reality is, once you get inside a building and
you're talking about draft picks, you're talking about free agents,
it's usually not a situation where the GM and the
head coach are sitting on the opposite side is playing battleship,
sinking each other right, there's usually common ground. They all
who the good players are. Hey, can we afford this
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guy with this bunch. I just don't think there's gonna
be Holy Wars in that sense, and I think the
approach that they're taking makes a lot of sense. Look,
if there's a guy that they're not aligned on, then
it's not gonna work anyway. So move on to the
next guy. And so now at some point, if in
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two years they're not winning and there's battles and whatnot,
because that kind of thing happens, then that might change.
But this system is they're doing it. It makes sense.
They've all come from that sort of system and it's
what they're going with. So we'll keep hearing about final say,
and they'll keep laughing at it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I just picture when you said the battleship the electric
battleship game with the noises and the thing, Yes, you
suck my battles Yeah, yeah, So now that would be interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
That would be a good uh Jaguars behind the.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Scenes, certainly, let's hear from James Ladstone Jaguars GM also
on the podium yesterday here in Indianapolis and making the
rounds with us as well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Clear communication is key.
Speaker 8 (16:57):
That is such a key component to finding success really
in any walk of life, right in any partnership. So
it's definitely something that I value. And you know, I
think back to my dad was such an influence all
my life in a small group setting. I don't think
that there's anybody who does a better job than him,
And so to emulate kind of sure, his cadence, his rhythm,
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things like that. It was easy to apply that because
I grew up in the same house as him, right,
so he was he was my football coach. He was
a guy that I worked with as a coach, so
you know, being around that for so many years, it
was just easy to emulate.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Glad still thirty four years of age now the general manager.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Well, he's he's really impressive. I mean I didn't know
much about him because there's really no way to know
a lot about assistant general managers and other teams. They're
not in the media a whole lot. They don't talk
to the press a whole lot, so you don't get
a feel for what these guys are like. You can
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tell very quickly listening to him and talking to him
that this guy is a communicator on a high level.
And you might say, well, so what everybody can talk, right,
everybody can communicate, But as he said, I don't think
it was in that SoundBite. The NFL is so complex
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and there's so many moving parts and there's so many
different people involved that the ability for the general manager
to communicate exactly what they're looking for, exactly what they're
looking for in a player, exactly what the goals are,
exactly what the objectives are, and to get people on
the same page and talking and get his systems working,
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it's very difficult. Bill Poullin, who I worked with in Indianapolis,
was very good at that in terms of making sure
the scouts knew what the coaches wanted and the coaches
could communicate what they're looking for in players. I haven't
been around James Glastow. He's never been a GM, so
I can't compare him to a Hall of Famer, but
he does seem to have that trait of being able
to communicate his ideas and his thoughts very well. Think
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that's very important for a GM, and you know he's uh.
I don't want to get into a brain braw competition
with him. Put it that way, because I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, probably not.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
He's a sharp guy, he is.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Let's now finish for our final big thing today, the
path Forward, and it really begins with meetings here at
the Combine for the coaching staff. Yes, they're having meetings
with prospects and the normal Combine activities here interviews and watching,
testing and all that, but they're also having staff meetings
just trying to get their systems in place, offense, defense
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and everything. Well, they can't waste any time, so it begins.
The path forward begins here in Indianapolis. The entire staff
is here.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yeah, I think this is going to be a topic
because Gladstone got hired in late February and you have
free agency three weeks away. But I think the way
they explained it makes a lot of sense. Most teams
don't you think about the calendar, JP, We've been around
this for a while. Most teams don't start releasing play
for cap reasons and signing. Even other teams released free
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agents until a few days before the freegency begins, because
the meetings are really taking place now. There's other things
going on in January, and then they start full bore
on free agency right now. So there's I think Gladstone's
going to be very busy in the next few weeks
getting caught up on, to use his word, calibrated with
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everything else is going on. But the system that the
Jaguars have had in place has been ongoing already, So
it's an interesting week on that front. They're bonding. It
sounds like they're on a really cool road trip where
there's camaraderie going on. I think that's an element for them,
But I think in terms of football stuff, I just
don't think it's going to set them behind it all
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in what they're trying to do, And I think by
the time the league year rolls around, it's gonna feel
pretty seamless and you're not gonna get the sense at
all of a franchise behind.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, we're closing in on the start of the league year.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
March twelfth comes up quick. Yeah, I just thinking them
and they made the Super Bowl back one more year,
I mean or one more week. So uh, it's a
quick it's a quick turnaround the off season for all teams.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
There you have it.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
We're back in a moment plenty more ahead here from
Indianapolis on Jags A.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
M Yeah, that's what this is it's being able to
be around the guys where we finally have complete you know,
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basically finalize this staff, really get into the weeds of now, Hey,
the communication that we have with each other. The offensive
staff is meeting currently right now.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And then when you get.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Into the evaluation and get into some of these formal
meetings settings, Hey, we're evaluating coaches just as much as
anything and able to give feedback and see what these
guys can truly do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's been exciting. Liam Cohen, Jaguars head coach yesterday.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
The full availability and our.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Conversation with him available at Jaguars dot com and Jaguars YouTube.
The new season right around the corner of the time
to get your season ticket membership is right now. You
can be at the bank for every touchdown and secure
your seats at Jaguars dot com, slash tickets or call
nine oh four six three three two thousand, Key Shadwick,
John Ozer. Thanks to Judy Batista earlier joining us and
(22:31):
also coming up tomorrow, John, Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You'll be on for a segment. Well, be cool forward
to that and then it's.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Frisco and Boselli for what could be one of the
final times together.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I mean four fifteen. I hope you'll join us.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
It's been a great show. Jaguars fans love it. Tony's
roles changing a bit, so to have him on the air,
you know, arguing with the little Italian guy, you know,
probably won't continue, but it's you know, look, I love
the show. They've both been I've known both for well
(23:07):
over thirty years. Tony's become a friend. Pete's one of
my best friends in the business. Anybody who has enjoyed
that show knows it'll be missed in the Jaguars ecosystem
is a big word. It'll be missed. But I can
tell you this, Tony Boselli, in the role that he's in,
(23:28):
is having a huge impact on the organization and an
incredibly positive light. He sees the details. He is having
an unbelievable impact on the culture already. So whatever trade
off of not having him on the air, you know,
TB seventy one is you know doing now I think
(23:51):
what he's meant to do. So the show will be missed,
but he's in the right place.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and one more chance tomorrow to hear those two together.
Uh maybe not for the last time ever, but I
mean certainly for the foreseeable future. It feels like and
Tony should have some type of We'll figure out some
things to get him on the air some ways, but
it just won't be reacting to a game on Monday
as we usually did.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Well, I mean I think the plan right now is
to have a podcast with Tony so.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well early still, you know, figure out the scheduling and everything.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah, so he'll offer his thoughts, but just probably not
in the same vein as on that show.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
We had some knockdown drag outs of that show. I
will tell you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That sometimes you didn't. There was sometimes I had no
idea what Pete was gonna say after a game. Well, yeah,
sometimes it's pretty clear. Yeah, you know, and he's he
was good either way. That's what he does. Yes, he does.
So that's coming up tomorrow at four o'clock. We'll have
it right here from Indianapolis. Let's come back in a moment.
(24:55):
We'll wrap up this show. We get a lot coming
up today, a schedule of guests who will sit down
with us here at Radio Row.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And this is jaggs Am.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It is jags Am from Indianapolis, the Indiana Convention Center,
the NFL Scouting Combine.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Final couple of moments. J P.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Shadwick, John Ozer, thanks to Judy Batista. A busy day
to day here on the road.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
John.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We've got all kind of guests lined up. Mark Ross,
NFL Media, will join us here a little bit later.
We'll tape all these and get him out as the
day goes along. Charles Davis from like everywhere, CBS, NFL Media,
Sirius XM Radio.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I don't know what he doesn't do. We'll ask him that.
Coming up. Lant Zerline, NFL media draft.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Analyst, very good, get his thoughts on the NFL Draft
and the number five pick, especially Rhet Lewis NFL Media
went to college at Indiana just down the road. But
we'll get his thoughts on what's going on with the
Jaguars organization.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's all coming up today.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We'll have a huddle up with Bucky Brooks that will
take a little later this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Also looking forward to seeing Bucky. He's the mayor of
the combine.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He is, you know, I haven't seen him do other.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Take a number to talk to him one of those
things he's take and you wait.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Call his secretary and line up some time with Bucky
before to that, and you know.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
As we wrap a few thoughts on yesterday with James
Gladstone and Liam Cohen, it was interesting to hear Gladstone
talk a little bit about how he plans to build
the roster. They don't typically get too deep into it,
but he clearly leaned toward the draft. I think they'll
(26:47):
be participants in free agency. I think over time they're
going to want to try to be a draft and
developed team. I liked that I would be in favor
of staying as far away from free He's as you possibly.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Can front line for you.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, big money, and it sounds like in the long
run they want to do that. I also thought it
was interesting that Doug Gladstone clearly thinks, like Liam Cohen,
that that this should be a much better team quickly.
He said a couple of times, I think you're gonna see,
uh the personnel used a little differently, get a little
more out of it.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
There's a feeling from these guys that you know, they're
not saying it and beating the table, but I think
they think they can get a lot better really quickly.
And uh, that's sort of confidence. I don't think it's false,
you know, I don't think it's overstating it. But there's
a feeling that they get they can get this turned
around quickly. There are holes in the roster, there's stuff
(27:44):
that has to be done, but I think I think
you're gonna see progress pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Great stuff, Johnny, A good show. Let's do it again
tomorrow or later today.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'll be here.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's John Oser. I'm JP Shatterick. Thanks for ourring tire
Krubos here and back in Jacksonville. And again thanks to
Judy Batista, NFL Media. Thanks to you for watching Jaggs
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