Kainani Stevens, John Oehser and Brian Sexton are in the Hyundai Studios to bring you all the latest Jaguars news. The crew is back from the NFL Combine and share some of the biggest takeaways from Head Coach Liam Coen and General Manager James Gladstone's media interviews on radio row. Some topics include pass rushers, defensive backs and pass catchers. Lasty, we take a look ahead as Free Agency is approaching and the NFL Draft is shortly after. All this and more on this episode of Jags A.M.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Sign sex name don Oger. Are with me as we're
going to recap the Combine for you from last week
and also talk a little bit about free agency, which
is about a week away at this point. So let's
start out with our big things today. First big thing
is first impressions GM. James Gladstone was introduced to us
last week and kick things off right away by heading
to the Combine and getting to work. And he's talking
a little bit to us about what it's going to
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be like getting integrated with his new.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Team in terms of you know, what you may say
is me getting up to speed. I'm going to calibrate
my own mode of operation to the jaguars current mode
of operation. One person changing rather than a large group
changing in the immediate immediate mode is going to be
a little bit more efficient and less disruptive.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Brian, there's a lot of new faces around here right now.
They are all in Indianapolis last week getting to work together.
What are your first impressions of James Gladstone from what
we've seen so far?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, I told Jeff Logerman during our live broadcast before
his introductor press conference that I had talked to a
friend who used to work here, who now works there?
Who said that James Gladstone in a building filled with stars,
great people, very successful people, that RAMS organization has produced
a spider web of people all across the NFL because
of the way they do things. But that Gladstone in
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a building filled with stars who shined is bright or.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Brighter than almost all of them.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And the more that you listen to him and get
a feel for a thirty four year old guy with
the presence, with the wisdom to say what he just said,
it just it verifies what I was told that the
guy is made for this position. And no one out
there in LA expects anything but incredible success from Gladstone.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So that's good to hear.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah, he's really really really sharp. I mean and talking
to him a couple of times the combine. Uh, the
thing that stands out is his ability to communicate, and
it's it's difficult to overemphasize that trait in a GM.
His ability to take an idea, a concept, a trait
that he wants in a player and make it so
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everybody in the organization clearly understands what a team is
looking for.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
That goes to messaging, it goes to player trait, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Uh I I it's uh h, he's going.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
To be really really good at this and you know
it that doesn't guarantee results on the field, but and
you know, because nothing does, but I H. This guy's
communication skills along with Liam Cohen's uh energy focus, uh
it gives you organization a chance.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Let's go to our second big thing today, which is
gonna be hunkered down when we're talking about getting things going,
you know, hitting the ground running with them.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Of course, James Gladstone.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Talked a little bit about with the new EVP Tony Bsseli,
and of course new head coach Lilliam Cohen, all of
them traveled to Indianapolis together, had a hunkered down right.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The fact that we're a new coaching staff, a new
general manager working with our scouting staff, this is a
great opportunity for an off site and just build some
of the connective kissue that otherwise wouldn't necessarily exist because
we'd just be in our normal mode of operation in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
John, you always send a team, if you work for
a team, you always send some people to the combine.
But they pretty much send everybody from the new front
office out there to kind of work together and get
things going.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah, they did, and I'm not sure how long they
will do it this way. The Rams historically don't go
to the combine except for a small number of people,
so maybe that's the Jaguars approach going forward.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
I think this approach this year was about, Okay, we
need to go to the combine. We need to get
this thing established.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
They also looked at it as very much let's move
the facilities out there, let's move the workforce out there,
as a chance for everybody to get to know each other,
to build some camaraderie, to build some chemistry.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
A very expensive team building, if you will.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
But I think that's important at this stage, and they
were certainly approaching it like that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well it's listen, it's every day now that they're back, kay.
I mean, these guys are here in the building and
they're working late nights, in early mornings some Saturdays and Sundays.
It's hard to take a day off when you have
as much coming at them as is coming at them.
You mentioned free agency begins next week, and then you're
going to have guys who are out on the pro
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day tour and before you know it, you'll have the
off not off the field, the out of season program
right where the guys are back in. I think April
seventh is when that starts, and then the draft and
the OTAs. They have a lot of ground to cover
in a very short period of time. So that was
just the jump start to getting guys you know who
each individual person is, kind of names and faces. Because
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now the real work begins to get ready.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That leads us into our final big thing, which is
free agency. We've talked about all the changes in the
off season, and now free agency is upon us about
a week away at this point. So Brian, when you're
looking at what the players are going to be in
this because in the past the Jaguars have had to
do a lot a free agency, but now with a
new coaching staff, you might have to address the needs
as well. So do we have any inkling of which
way they might be going with that?
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, listen, the DNA of this organization has been
to use free agency to build the roster, but all
at the same time professing they didn't want to do
it that way.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
The most successful.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Teams in the last ten years, fifteen years, maybe the
modern era of the NFL have built through the draft.
Now you're talking about a very strong Rams presence in
the building now, and they're asymmetrical thinkers. I mean, they
were trading first round picks to grab veteran guys. We
know about Jalen Ramsey and many many others, Dante Fowler,
junior players who ended up out there. So it'll be
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interesting to see how it evolves. It'll depend on their
evaluation of the roster. Do there a couple guys here
they could move with. They've got some room they could
play if they want. I just don't know whether they
want to or not.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
John, Yeah, I think they'll They'll have a plan. They'll
go after some guys, some trades.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
It's important.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Remember the Rams did what Brian talking about when they
were going after it, and they feel like they were
close to the Super Bowl. I don't think the Jaguars
will necessarily try to build the roster that way. When
Gladstone talked philosophically at the combine last week, he talked
for He talked far more about the fact that the
Jaguars have more draft picks in the next two years
and any other team he likes that. I think he's
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gonna lean toward that. No team really wants to build
their roster through free agency. It's when you don't draft
and develop well that you wind up having to. So
I think you will see freedency use this year to
make up for some roster holes they need.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
They need to address quickly.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
But I think overall it's gonna try to be draft
and developed that they just have to draft.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, just draft well, it's easy enough. It sounds that way. Anyway, Staylas,
We're gonna talk a little bit about what went down
at the combine last week.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know what, one of the most alluring and intriguing
pieces to this opportunity was the fact that the leadership
group and the dynamic actually mirrors what I'm most familiar
with in Los Angeles.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
So it was one that I.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Could see a clear visual for finding success.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So really excited about.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The opportunity to work with Tony and Liam and support
both of them and bring Liam's vision to life here
in these next few weeks into the later portion of
the spring, through the draft to your.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
General manager games.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Last on the final piece of this front office puzzle
that they've been putting together for the last couple of
months at this point.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Excited to all be.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
In place now, Brian, I think we finally know where
everything is going and now we can kind of get
everything pushed.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Off that way.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, they've got a plan and he's mentioned it, We've
all talked about it. We don't know exactly what the
plan is at this point, but.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
They're figuring their way out.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
John, You figure the most important thing for them to
be doing right now is to have a full evaluation
of the roster. What each of these individual coaches thinks
about what he's got.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Yeah, and that's a lot of what last week was about.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Meaning the coaching had clearly grinded through the roster in
the week or so before the Combine, and then at
the Combine last week there was a lot of meetings about, Okay,
this is the roster, this is the free agency plan.
How do you get that going with the draft preparations.
It's important to note that and Glassow and Cohen both
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went into this deep last week. This is about the
schedule that most teams have when you start getting ready
for free agency. With the combine, the cram for the
test phase, so to speak, is them digging into their
own roster. The coaches trying to figure out, Okay, this
is what we have. It's encouraging. I think that Tony
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BISSELLI yesterday when I was talking to him for the Tony.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
Biselli podcast, the EVP podcast Call It said Gladstone's interpretation
of the roster already was dead on, very in line
with what Tony had seen.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
And Tony is, I guess, really the guy in the
unique position.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
He has some muscle memory on these guys, the ability
to absorb what they've done over the course of time.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Or has everybody else is sort of cramming for the test.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
How much should be made of We talk about each
of them reporting to the owner separately, right, so it's
maybe not a typical power dynamic of reporting to your.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Boss and reporting up.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They all kind of will report to Shad Khan and
is there something he said for that or if you're
all actually kind of working together on the same page,
hopefully there's not a ton of infighting that you really
need to be going around each other.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, they were very deliberate in their timeline to grab
the right general manager because it was pretty clear, I mean,
Liam is the leader over here in terms of football,
and Tony's gonna handle football operations, and Sead said at
the introductor news conference last week that what he was
really looking for was a group of three guys who
could work together so he didn't have to be the
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guy who.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Was the thread.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And at various times he has had to be that guy.
So I guess that Gladstone coming in and the aliberate
way that they went about finding the right guy means
that those three men will be able to put their
finger on the right moves, whether it's free agency, the draft,
the execution from a football operation standpoint, and all three
will communicate to the owner, who's not going to necessarily
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be that common thread like he has been in the past.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Yeah, there's certainly this plan works until you're oh to
thirteen and everybody's like mad at each other. That's sort
of the cynicists or cynical person's point of view. But
I thought Cohen said it best last week when he said, look,
if we're grinding through and talking about a player and
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we just can't find middle ground, this is clearly the
way the rams work. Because Glaston said a couple of times,
well then we move on from the player, and I
think that makes the most sense the Coen's going to
be coaching the team.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Glastone won't be involved with that.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
So this, you know, final say thing comes down to
those rare occasions, and it doesn't happen that often, even
when guys aren't getting along, when you just can't agree.
And I think they both saw with the Rams that
you can get to a certain point and then you
get a feeling of you know what, if we're at
odds about this guy, then he's not going to work here.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
It doesn't make any sense. So I think it works fine.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Look, it became a storyline in the early nineties when
Bill Parcells left the Giants and went to the Patriots.
He had a general manager everywhere he was and he
uttered the famous line, if I'm going to cook the meal,
I should be able to go and buy the groceries.
And at various times that's worked. The model that really
has worked is what's worked in Kansas City in recent years,
and that is that Andy Reard hired Brent Viach, who
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is his GM, and he gets him the players that
he wants.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
That's the model that works. However they structure.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
It, reporting to the owner. Liam had a strong say
in who the general manager was going to be because
those two men had to be able to communicate about
exactly the players he wanted to make the system. John said,
Liam's coaching the team. Gladstone's job to bring him the
players that he wants.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I think the phrase coach centric organization which has kicked around,
and SHOT's really talked about that really now since the
urban Meyer higher that, you know that's what he wants.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It's certainly what Bisselli believes he's here to do.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
He said any number of times, I'm the left tackle
of the organization. I'm here to support what's going on.
And I think that's really the spirit of what Gladstone
and b Besselli are.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
The other thing about Tony is he's a common sense guy, right.
I mean he understands people, knowing from happy hour with
Pete where the two were, you know, butt heads in
battle and spar verbally. But Tony's a guy who can
bring consensus to a room as well. I've seen it
over time. He's a guy who can sit in there
and talk through some things. He's got a little diplomat
in him. People don't give him credit for that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think it's the offensive lineman in him.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
You got to get everybody on the same page together.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
In the Jaggars Golden Ear, he was the leader in
the locker room, not the quarterback, not the receiver, and
no one on defense. Tony Boselli was the leader, and
he understood that he had to set the tone, and
at times in this new arrangement, there may be times
where he has to help bring everyone together for the
common tone.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're talking a little bit about James Gladston because he's
the newest addition to this thirty four years old. Obviously
it's a youth movement all around here in Jacksonville right now, John,
did you hear anything at the combine? Obviously you don't
hear a ton about front office people until they take
over as a GM somewhere.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
So what have we heard so.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Far about him?
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Well, basically that what you see in the press conferences
is what he is meaning. Sean McVay was on the
Pat McAfee show and pretty insightful in terms of saying
exactly what we've already said about James Gladstone, his ability
to communicate. I think Shawn's quote was I could just
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sit in the room and listen to this guy, and
you can kind of see that when he's on the podium,
even though he's only thirty four. He has an interesting
way of talking about things. It's easy to see how
if you're a wide receivers coach or an area scout,
you sit and you listen to this guy and you
know what he's talking about. And that's really the important
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trade of this general manager position. That person has to
make sure that everybody who's involved with talent acquisition with
direction understands what we're looking for in a special team
or in an offensive alignment, and they also be on
the same page.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
That's not that easy to do.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
It's a job of intelligence, player evaluation, but more than anything,
it's a job of communication because you're dealing with a
lot of moving parts.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I had it explained to me by somebody in Los
Angeles who said that he is where he is because
he was never scared to step into a challenging situation
that maybe exceeded his skill set when he got there
in twenty sixteen and went out there with less need,
and it quickly became apparent that he could work his
way through situations that were maybe beyond him at the point,
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and he raced to this point where he now nine
years later, is the general manager because he is able
to see situations for what they are and work right
through them. He always took on the big challenge, and.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It's gonna be a challenge.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
It's gonna be a good challenge. Stay with here on JAGSZAM.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Coming up after the break, we'll talk a little bit
about free agency and the draft and what.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
The focuses might be for the Jacks.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
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Speaker 8 (15:29):
He's so dynamic, being able to move him around where
you saw him at LSU, maybe not do some of
those things right where he was mostly outside running more
linear routes, vertical posts, some overs and then this stop,
you know, so the ability for him to snap down,
get in the slot, be able to run some of
the choice routes, lookie routes, and then oh, by the way,
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you can throw him a screen and he can go
do something with it. You know, our past game will
run through him. And super excited to get to work
with him.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean you have to be excited to get to
work with Brian Thomas Junior. Obviously, Liam Colin talking about
BTJ and what he's gonna be able to do with
him going forward. I'm excited to see his second season
as well, cause we saw him develop as the season
went along. Maybe that second half even with Mac Jones
at quarterback when he was able to do. Second year
is gonna be fun. Well, working with Trevor Lawrence consistently,
it would be fun. I mean, if you look back
at Trevor, he is good at throwing the deep ball,
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and we saw a few of those shots with Brian
last year, the one in particular against the Patriots at Wembley.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
W When you consider what Brian was able to do
with Mac, who does not have the deep ball accuracy
or even the deep bowl arm that Trevor does, it's
easy to get excited.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And then there was the play against the Colts here
when he basically showed everybody how he can separate and
uh hit that second gear clearly at as Liam said,
the offense.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Will run through him.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Uh, they have a potential franchise quarterback and a franchise
wide receiver to work with.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Uh. That's a good start.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Alright, We're gonna do a little dis or that right now.
And we're gonna go through some position groups and do
this or that with draft or free agency. So we're
looking at wide receivers. Obviously BTJ is going to be
your number one. You're going to run the offense through him.
But who's going to be surrounded Who's going to be
surrounding him? There's questions about whether Christian Kirk will be
here or not. Are you going to look at maybe
possibly drafting someone Brian. If you're looking at the wide
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receiver groups, where do you want to see additions there.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Or none at all?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, not knowing what's going to happen with Christian. Even
at Evan Ingram, who I know he's a tight end,
but let's be honest, he's a receiver. He had one
hundred and fourteen receptions in twenty twenty three draft right
there are because of the way the college football plays now,
there are receivers throughout the draft, whether you're talking about
a star at the top of the first round or
you know, finding a good player somewhere in the middle round.
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You've got a lot of money tied up in Christian
Kirk and if he's going to be here draft draft.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Draft, Yeah, I hope both Christian and Evan are here.
For the purposes of this question, let's assume they're not,
because you have to have some sort of parameters. I
to answer the quest question, I think if they're not,
then I think you could see an element of both
a receiver, meaning either a relatively high profile free agent
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lower receiver or vice versa. If I had to lean,
I would say probably a mid tier receiver who they
feel like can get can fill a role, and then
maybe draft the position in the first three rounds ish,
because I think coming from the Rams, I think there's
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probably a belief with these guys we can get Cooper
cup ish player. They've had success in later rounds. So
my guess is, without talking to them specifically, that they
feel like receiver can be acquired in that range.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Receivers become a premium position and as such they are expensive,
which is why I would lean into the draft on
that one.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
A lot of these options can be expensive. We've talked
a ton about the lines on both sides. The trenches
need to get better. When you're looking at offensive line
and defensive line. That could be a focus at five
in the first round. For we don't know exactly where
they're going to go with that yet, but you need
depth on both of those positions. I think it's fair
to say. So, is this a combination of both or
do you think it just has to be draft?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, listen, it's a really good draft for defensive tackles,
and not just at the top of the draft. There
are good tackle options, you know, into the second and
even the third round from what I'm hearing. So I
would lean on the defensive side too. Young, You've got
a couple of young guys that you want to develop already,
and you know you still have Devon Hamilton here draft
there offensive line, I would look for some veteran presence. Now,
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keep in mind the Jaguars drafted Brandon Linder in the
third round and he was an eight year starter here
and a really good player. You can find those guys
in the middle rounds if you do your due diligence.
But you're probably going to want to find a couple
of those guys in free agency as well. And guards
are not necessarily as expensive, so you can do some
work there in free agency.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah, Unfortunately, only if you're gonna get great top of
the market guy.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
They're all expensive, But do you need that.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I mean, you want that, but do you need to
go pay the top of the market. Do you need
aj Can kind of guy who is a moderate price player.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I think on the interior of the line, they need
somebody to come in and be a presence and be
I think what.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
They hoped that Sheriff would be.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Scheff was a decent player here past his prime, I think,
but a solid play for three years, but didn't necessarily
dominate the middle personality wise, didn't dominate locker room. I
think you'd like to find that in free agency, so
you have some immediate presence. Defensive line feels like, you know,
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everybody's Maulk and Mason Graham.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
It feels like that has a good chance to be
the pick.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Interesting, you wonder how long term they're going to develop
the tackle position. I don't know that they go a
premium there. At some point.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
You wonder how they're going to build that long term,
but that's to be played out.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Things.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You look at the best tackles at the top of
this draft and everyone's questioning whether they belong inside a
guard or not, whether they're tall enough or have the
length to play there.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
This is not a good draft.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
For tackles, but it is a good draft for interior
off fancy alignement, which.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Is what we need.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
So perhaps that's the pick.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Not that all right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
A final position in group we're gonna go with is
defensive back, safety and corner. Obviously, corner depth was an
issue this year. Safety Andre Cisco's becoming a free agency,
so there might be an opening there if they don't
resign him. Do you think this is a free agency
drafting situation? Where do you think they'll go with this?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
John, Yes, all the things. Yeah, because they've got I mean,
they have a lot of work to do. I mean it's.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
You could see potentially, I Jerion Jones and Tyson Campbell
are the guys that I know out of a group
that was there last.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Year, will be on the field.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I think some of the other guys will compete and
maybe one of them will be in it.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
But I think they've got a lot of work to do, so.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
A second, third round, one first tearish guy in free agency.
It's I'm not trying to avoid the question, but I
think when you've got corner depth, corner meaning fourth maybe
two safeties, I don't quite know how to say where
they'll go with what I think they may let the
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draft come to him and free agency come to him
because it's sort of you have to throw some resources here.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, well, listen, we don't know if the Jaggers are
going to stay five. They might get an offer and
they could move back if someone wants to come up
and get a cornerback. You know, the Raiders are shitting
at six. Maybe this is a spot where the Jags
can move back, and there are some first round safeties,
some elite level guys. I would like the Cisco of
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three back the guy
who played here last year. I mean, listen, he had
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all the motivation in the world to go out and
have a big year because they didn't pay him and
he didn't do it. So I fully expect them to
let him walk, which means they're going to have to
go find a guy.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There are some options in free agencies, so I'm sure
they'll dabble in that a little bit. And we'll talk
a little bit more next week about who they might
be targeting, specifically, say with us and Jagszam coming up
after the break, we'll talk a little bit about what's
going on the runs the week Jack xam brought to
me by Prush from Florida. It's always in season.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
The development of Baker will be different than Trevor. It
just will be because of the different type of player.
But you see a lot of the same in tangibles
in terms of the work ethic, the want to he
wants to be great, he wants to be coach hard,
and the process like, how do we get him on
a schedule, a process every single day that he can
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follow to get him to the point that he feels
like he's playing at a higher level.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And con talking a little bit about what it was
like working with Baker Mayfield, but how it's going to
be different working with Tyber Lawrence, and you know they
want to get in the building kind of go over
the xs and o's. There are some limitations to that,
John with when they can meet, we'll see this probably
hit the ground a little bit more in April.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, they can talk minimally because you're allowed to talk
to human beings. But in terms of any sort of
football real game planning meeting, anything like that, that starts
up when the off season program, and that's plenty of time.
I mean, that's but that'll be when the fun starts.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
One of the reasons why Baker Mayfield was able to
take that big jump last year was because the Buccaneers
running game went from bottom five to top five, right,
So we were talking about offensive line and getting that right,
getting the running game going, and they proved it last
year in Tampaly. Improved what he can do. I'm gonna
be really interested in that. I know we talked about
Brian Thomas and wide receivers and you know that's the
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sexy talk in the NFL these days, but that ground
game is going to be really important for the coach
to get the quarterback where he wants to.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Be and being able to rely on that consistently in
every game will be.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Here, which we have not had around here in a while.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah, Gladstone at the combine didn't reveal everything they're going
to do, obviously because you don't, but he did sort
of open the hand a little bit when asked about
the roster. He said, you know, the guys in the
trenches I'm paraphrasing, and guys who can score, So you know,
sort of keep that in mind when trying to figure
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out free agency in the.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Draft, free agency begins on Monday. Things open up, they
can start talking. We'll announce things on Wednesday, and on
Tuesday we'll be in here to talk to you about
what we think the Jacks might do.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Enjoy your week,
Sign sex name don Oger. Are with me as we're
going to recap the Combine for you from last week
and also talk a little bit about free agency, which
is about a week away at this point. So let's
start out with our big things today. First big thing
is first impressions GM. James Gladstone was introduced to us
last week and kick things off right away by heading
to the Combine and getting to work. And he's talking
a little bit to us about what it's going to
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be like getting integrated with his new.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Team in terms of you know, what you may say
is me getting up to speed. I'm going to calibrate
my own mode of operation to the jaguars current mode
of operation. One person changing rather than a large group
changing in the immediate immediate mode is going to be
a little bit more efficient and less disruptive.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Brian, there's a lot of new faces around here right now.
They are all in Indianapolis last week getting to work together.
What are your first impressions of James Gladstone from what
we've seen so far?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, I told Jeff Logerman during our live broadcast before
his introductor press conference that I had talked to a
friend who used to work here, who now works there?
Who said that James Gladstone in a building filled with stars,
great people, very successful people, that RAMS organization has produced
a spider web of people all across the NFL because
of the way they do things. But that Gladstone in
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a building filled with stars who shined is bright or.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Brighter than almost all of them.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And the more that you listen to him and get
a feel for a thirty four year old guy with
the presence, with the wisdom to say what he just said,
it just it verifies what I was told that the
guy is made for this position. And no one out
there in LA expects anything but incredible success from Gladstone.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So that's good to hear.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah, he's really really really sharp. I mean and talking
to him a couple of times the combine. Uh, the
thing that stands out is his ability to communicate, and
it's it's difficult to overemphasize that trait in a GM.
His ability to take an idea, a concept, a trait
that he wants in a player and make it so
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everybody in the organization clearly understands what a team is
looking for.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
That goes to messaging, it goes to player trait, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Uh I I it's uh h, he's going.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
To be really really good at this and you know
it that doesn't guarantee results on the field, but and
you know, because nothing does, but I H. This guy's
communication skills along with Liam Cohen's uh energy focus, uh
it gives you organization a chance.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Let's go to our second big thing today, which is
gonna be hunkered down when we're talking about getting things going,
you know, hitting the ground running with them.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Of course, James Gladstone.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Talked a little bit about with the new EVP Tony Bsseli,
and of course new head coach Lilliam Cohen, all of
them traveled to Indianapolis together, had a hunkered down right.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The fact that we're a new coaching staff, a new
general manager working with our scouting staff, this is a
great opportunity for an off site and just build some
of the connective kissue that otherwise wouldn't necessarily exist because
we'd just be in our normal mode of operation in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
John, you always send a team, if you work for
a team, you always send some people to the combine.
But they pretty much send everybody from the new front
office out there to kind of work together and get
things going.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah, they did, and I'm not sure how long they
will do it this way. The Rams historically don't go
to the combine except for a small number of people,
so maybe that's the Jaguars approach going forward.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
I think this approach this year was about, Okay, we
need to go to the combine. We need to get
this thing established.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
They also looked at it as very much let's move
the facilities out there, let's move the workforce out there,
as a chance for everybody to get to know each other,
to build some camaraderie, to build some chemistry.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
A very expensive team building, if you will.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
But I think that's important at this stage, and they
were certainly approaching it like that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well it's listen, it's every day now that they're back, kay.
I mean, these guys are here in the building and
they're working late nights, in early mornings some Saturdays and Sundays.
It's hard to take a day off when you have
as much coming at them as is coming at them.
You mentioned free agency begins next week, and then you're
going to have guys who are out on the pro
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day tour and before you know it, you'll have the
off not off the field, the out of season program
right where the guys are back in. I think April
seventh is when that starts, and then the draft and
the OTAs. They have a lot of ground to cover
in a very short period of time. So that was
just the jump start to getting guys you know who
each individual person is, kind of names and faces. Because
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now the real work begins to get ready.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That leads us into our final big thing, which is
free agency. We've talked about all the changes in the
off season, and now free agency is upon us about
a week away at this point. So Brian, when you're
looking at what the players are going to be in
this because in the past the Jaguars have had to
do a lot a free agency, but now with a
new coaching staff, you might have to address the needs
as well. So do we have any inkling of which
way they might be going with that?
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, listen, the DNA of this organization has been
to use free agency to build the roster, but all
at the same time professing they didn't want to do
it that way.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
The most successful.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Teams in the last ten years, fifteen years, maybe the
modern era of the NFL have built through the draft.
Now you're talking about a very strong Rams presence in
the building now, and they're asymmetrical thinkers. I mean, they
were trading first round picks to grab veteran guys. We
know about Jalen Ramsey and many many others, Dante Fowler,
junior players who ended up out there. So it'll be
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interesting to see how it evolves. It'll depend on their
evaluation of the roster. Do there a couple guys here
they could move with. They've got some room they could
play if they want. I just don't know whether they
want to or not.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
John, Yeah, I think they'll They'll have a plan. They'll
go after some guys, some trades.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
It's important.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Remember the Rams did what Brian talking about when they
were going after it, and they feel like they were
close to the Super Bowl. I don't think the Jaguars
will necessarily try to build the roster that way. When
Gladstone talked philosophically at the combine last week, he talked
for He talked far more about the fact that the
Jaguars have more draft picks in the next two years
and any other team he likes that. I think he's
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gonna lean toward that. No team really wants to build
their roster through free agency. It's when you don't draft
and develop well that you wind up having to. So
I think you will see freedency use this year to
make up for some roster holes they need.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
They need to address quickly.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
But I think overall it's gonna try to be draft
and developed that they just have to draft.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, just draft well, it's easy enough. It sounds that way. Anyway, Staylas,
We're gonna talk a little bit about what went down
at the combine last week.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know what, one of the most alluring and intriguing
pieces to this opportunity was the fact that the leadership
group and the dynamic actually mirrors what I'm most familiar
with in Los Angeles.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
So it was one that I.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Could see a clear visual for finding success.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So really excited about.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The opportunity to work with Tony and Liam and support
both of them and bring Liam's vision to life here
in these next few weeks into the later portion of
the spring, through the draft to your.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
General manager games.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Last on the final piece of this front office puzzle
that they've been putting together for the last couple of
months at this point.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Excited to all be.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
In place now, Brian, I think we finally know where
everything is going and now we can kind of get
everything pushed.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Off that way.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, they've got a plan and he's mentioned it, We've
all talked about it. We don't know exactly what the
plan is at this point, but.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
They're figuring their way out.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
John, You figure the most important thing for them to
be doing right now is to have a full evaluation
of the roster. What each of these individual coaches thinks
about what he's got.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Yeah, and that's a lot of what last week was about.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Meaning the coaching had clearly grinded through the roster in
the week or so before the Combine, and then at
the Combine last week there was a lot of meetings about, Okay,
this is the roster, this is the free agency plan.
How do you get that going with the draft preparations.
It's important to note that and Glassow and Cohen both
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went into this deep last week. This is about the
schedule that most teams have when you start getting ready
for free agency. With the combine, the cram for the
test phase, so to speak, is them digging into their
own roster. The coaches trying to figure out, Okay, this
is what we have. It's encouraging. I think that Tony
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BISSELLI yesterday when I was talking to him for the Tony.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
Biselli podcast, the EVP podcast Call It said Gladstone's interpretation
of the roster already was dead on, very in line
with what Tony had seen.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
And Tony is, I guess, really the guy in the
unique position.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
He has some muscle memory on these guys, the ability
to absorb what they've done over the course of time.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Or has everybody else is sort of cramming for the test.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
How much should be made of We talk about each
of them reporting to the owner separately, right, so it's
maybe not a typical power dynamic of reporting to your.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Boss and reporting up.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They all kind of will report to Shad Khan and
is there something he said for that or if you're
all actually kind of working together on the same page,
hopefully there's not a ton of infighting that you really
need to be going around each other.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, they were very deliberate in their timeline to grab
the right general manager because it was pretty clear, I mean,
Liam is the leader over here in terms of football,
and Tony's gonna handle football operations, and Sead said at
the introductor news conference last week that what he was
really looking for was a group of three guys who
could work together so he didn't have to be the
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guy who.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Was the thread.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And at various times he has had to be that guy.
So I guess that Gladstone coming in and the aliberate
way that they went about finding the right guy means
that those three men will be able to put their
finger on the right moves, whether it's free agency, the draft,
the execution from a football operation standpoint, and all three
will communicate to the owner, who's not going to necessarily
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be that common thread like he has been in the past.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Yeah, there's certainly this plan works until you're oh to
thirteen and everybody's like mad at each other. That's sort
of the cynicists or cynical person's point of view. But
I thought Cohen said it best last week when he said, look,
if we're grinding through and talking about a player and
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we just can't find middle ground, this is clearly the
way the rams work. Because Glaston said a couple of times,
well then we move on from the player, and I
think that makes the most sense the Coen's going to
be coaching the team.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Glastone won't be involved with that.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
So this, you know, final say thing comes down to
those rare occasions, and it doesn't happen that often, even
when guys aren't getting along, when you just can't agree.
And I think they both saw with the Rams that
you can get to a certain point and then you
get a feeling of you know what, if we're at
odds about this guy, then he's not going to work here.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
It doesn't make any sense. So I think it works fine.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Look, it became a storyline in the early nineties when
Bill Parcells left the Giants and went to the Patriots.
He had a general manager everywhere he was and he
uttered the famous line, if I'm going to cook the meal,
I should be able to go and buy the groceries.
And at various times that's worked. The model that really
has worked is what's worked in Kansas City in recent years,
and that is that Andy Reard hired Brent Viach, who
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is his GM, and he gets him the players that
he wants.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
That's the model that works. However they structure.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
It, reporting to the owner. Liam had a strong say
in who the general manager was going to be because
those two men had to be able to communicate about
exactly the players he wanted to make the system. John said,
Liam's coaching the team. Gladstone's job to bring him the
players that he wants.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I think the phrase coach centric organization which has kicked around,
and SHOT's really talked about that really now since the
urban Meyer higher that, you know that's what he wants.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It's certainly what Bisselli believes he's here to do.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
He said any number of times, I'm the left tackle
of the organization. I'm here to support what's going on.
And I think that's really the spirit of what Gladstone
and b Besselli are.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
The other thing about Tony is he's a common sense guy, right.
I mean he understands people, knowing from happy hour with
Pete where the two were, you know, butt heads in
battle and spar verbally. But Tony's a guy who can
bring consensus to a room as well. I've seen it
over time. He's a guy who can sit in there
and talk through some things. He's got a little diplomat
in him. People don't give him credit for that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think it's the offensive lineman in him.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
You got to get everybody on the same page together.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
In the Jaggars Golden Ear, he was the leader in
the locker room, not the quarterback, not the receiver, and
no one on defense. Tony Boselli was the leader, and
he understood that he had to set the tone, and
at times in this new arrangement, there may be times
where he has to help bring everyone together for the
common tone.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're talking a little bit about James Gladston because he's
the newest addition to this thirty four years old. Obviously
it's a youth movement all around here in Jacksonville right now, John,
did you hear anything at the combine? Obviously you don't
hear a ton about front office people until they take
over as a GM somewhere.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
So what have we heard so.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Far about him?
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Well, basically that what you see in the press conferences
is what he is meaning. Sean McVay was on the
Pat McAfee show and pretty insightful in terms of saying
exactly what we've already said about James Gladstone, his ability
to communicate. I think Shawn's quote was I could just
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sit in the room and listen to this guy, and
you can kind of see that when he's on the podium,
even though he's only thirty four. He has an interesting
way of talking about things. It's easy to see how
if you're a wide receivers coach or an area scout,
you sit and you listen to this guy and you
know what he's talking about. And that's really the important
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trade of this general manager position. That person has to
make sure that everybody who's involved with talent acquisition with
direction understands what we're looking for in a special team
or in an offensive alignment, and they also be on
the same page.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
That's not that easy to do.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
It's a job of intelligence, player evaluation, but more than anything,
it's a job of communication because you're dealing with a
lot of moving parts.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I had it explained to me by somebody in Los
Angeles who said that he is where he is because
he was never scared to step into a challenging situation
that maybe exceeded his skill set when he got there
in twenty sixteen and went out there with less need,
and it quickly became apparent that he could work his
way through situations that were maybe beyond him at the point,
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and he raced to this point where he now nine
years later, is the general manager because he is able
to see situations for what they are and work right
through them. He always took on the big challenge, and.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It's gonna be a challenge.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
It's gonna be a good challenge. Stay with here on JAGSZAM.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Coming up after the break, we'll talk a little bit
about free agency and the draft and what.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
The focuses might be for the Jacks.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
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Speaker 8 (15:29):
He's so dynamic, being able to move him around where
you saw him at LSU, maybe not do some of
those things right where he was mostly outside running more
linear routes, vertical posts, some overs and then this stop,
you know, so the ability for him to snap down,
get in the slot, be able to run some of
the choice routes, lookie routes, and then oh, by the way,
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you can throw him a screen and he can go
do something with it. You know, our past game will
run through him. And super excited to get to work
with him.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean you have to be excited to get to
work with Brian Thomas Junior. Obviously, Liam Colin talking about
BTJ and what he's gonna be able to do with
him going forward. I'm excited to see his second season
as well, cause we saw him develop as the season
went along. Maybe that second half even with Mac Jones
at quarterback when he was able to do. Second year
is gonna be fun. Well, working with Trevor Lawrence consistently,
it would be fun. I mean, if you look back
at Trevor, he is good at throwing the deep ball,
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and we saw a few of those shots with Brian
last year, the one in particular against the Patriots at Wembley.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
W When you consider what Brian was able to do
with Mac, who does not have the deep ball accuracy
or even the deep bowl arm that Trevor does, it's
easy to get excited.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And then there was the play against the Colts here
when he basically showed everybody how he can separate and
uh hit that second gear clearly at as Liam said,
the offense.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Will run through him.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Uh, they have a potential franchise quarterback and a franchise
wide receiver to work with.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Uh. That's a good start.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Alright, We're gonna do a little dis or that right now.
And we're gonna go through some position groups and do
this or that with draft or free agency. So we're
looking at wide receivers. Obviously BTJ is going to be
your number one. You're going to run the offense through him.
But who's going to be surrounded Who's going to be
surrounding him? There's questions about whether Christian Kirk will be
here or not. Are you going to look at maybe
possibly drafting someone Brian. If you're looking at the wide
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receiver groups, where do you want to see additions there.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Or none at all?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, not knowing what's going to happen with Christian. Even
at Evan Ingram, who I know he's a tight end,
but let's be honest, he's a receiver. He had one
hundred and fourteen receptions in twenty twenty three draft right
there are because of the way the college football plays now,
there are receivers throughout the draft, whether you're talking about
a star at the top of the first round or
you know, finding a good player somewhere in the middle round.
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You've got a lot of money tied up in Christian
Kirk and if he's going to be here draft draft.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Draft, Yeah, I hope both Christian and Evan are here.
For the purposes of this question, let's assume they're not,
because you have to have some sort of parameters. I
to answer the quest question, I think if they're not,
then I think you could see an element of both
a receiver, meaning either a relatively high profile free agent
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lower receiver or vice versa. If I had to lean,
I would say probably a mid tier receiver who they
feel like can get can fill a role, and then
maybe draft the position in the first three rounds ish,
because I think coming from the Rams, I think there's
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probably a belief with these guys we can get Cooper
cup ish player. They've had success in later rounds. So
my guess is, without talking to them specifically, that they
feel like receiver can be acquired in that range.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Receivers become a premium position and as such they are expensive,
which is why I would lean into the draft on
that one.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
A lot of these options can be expensive. We've talked
a ton about the lines on both sides. The trenches
need to get better. When you're looking at offensive line
and defensive line. That could be a focus at five
in the first round. For we don't know exactly where
they're going to go with that yet, but you need
depth on both of those positions. I think it's fair
to say. So, is this a combination of both or
do you think it just has to be draft?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, listen, it's a really good draft for defensive tackles,
and not just at the top of the draft. There
are good tackle options, you know, into the second and
even the third round from what I'm hearing. So I
would lean on the defensive side too. Young, You've got
a couple of young guys that you want to develop already,
and you know you still have Devon Hamilton here draft
there offensive line, I would look for some veteran presence. Now,
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keep in mind the Jaguars drafted Brandon Linder in the
third round and he was an eight year starter here
and a really good player. You can find those guys
in the middle rounds if you do your due diligence.
But you're probably going to want to find a couple
of those guys in free agency as well. And guards
are not necessarily as expensive, so you can do some
work there in free agency.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah, Unfortunately, only if you're gonna get great top of
the market guy.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
They're all expensive, But do you need that.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I mean, you want that, but do you need to
go pay the top of the market. Do you need
aj Can kind of guy who is a moderate price player.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I think on the interior of the line, they need
somebody to come in and be a presence and be
I think what.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
They hoped that Sheriff would be.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Scheff was a decent player here past his prime, I think,
but a solid play for three years, but didn't necessarily
dominate the middle personality wise, didn't dominate locker room. I
think you'd like to find that in free agency, so
you have some immediate presence. Defensive line feels like, you know,
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everybody's Maulk and Mason Graham.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
It feels like that has a good chance to be
the pick.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Interesting, you wonder how long term they're going to develop
the tackle position. I don't know that they go a
premium there. At some point.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
You wonder how they're going to build that long term,
but that's to be played out.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Things.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You look at the best tackles at the top of
this draft and everyone's questioning whether they belong inside a
guard or not, whether they're tall enough or have the
length to play there.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
This is not a good draft.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
For tackles, but it is a good draft for interior
off fancy alignement, which.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Is what we need.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
So perhaps that's the pick.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Not that all right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
A final position in group we're gonna go with is
defensive back, safety and corner. Obviously, corner depth was an
issue this year. Safety Andre Cisco's becoming a free agency,
so there might be an opening there if they don't
resign him. Do you think this is a free agency
drafting situation? Where do you think they'll go with this?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
John, Yes, all the things. Yeah, because they've got I mean,
they have a lot of work to do. I mean it's.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
You could see potentially, I Jerion Jones and Tyson Campbell
are the guys that I know out of a group
that was there last.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Year, will be on the field.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I think some of the other guys will compete and
maybe one of them will be in it.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
But I think they've got a lot of work to do, so.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
A second, third round, one first tearish guy in free agency.
It's I'm not trying to avoid the question, but I
think when you've got corner depth, corner meaning fourth maybe
two safeties, I don't quite know how to say where
they'll go with what I think they may let the
(22:14):
draft come to him and free agency come to him
because it's sort of you have to throw some resources here.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, well, listen, we don't know if the Jaggers are
going to stay five. They might get an offer and
they could move back if someone wants to come up
and get a cornerback. You know, the Raiders are shitting
at six. Maybe this is a spot where the Jags
can move back, and there are some first round safeties,
some elite level guys. I would like the Cisco of
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three back the guy
who played here last year. I mean, listen, he had
(22:42):
all the motivation in the world to go out and
have a big year because they didn't pay him and
he didn't do it. So I fully expect them to
let him walk, which means they're going to have to
go find a guy.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There are some options in free agencies, so I'm sure
they'll dabble in that a little bit. And we'll talk
a little bit more next week about who they might
be targeting, specifically, say with us and Jagszam coming up
after the break, we'll talk a little bit about what's
going on the runs the week Jack xam brought to
me by Prush from Florida. It's always in season.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
The development of Baker will be different than Trevor. It
just will be because of the different type of player.
But you see a lot of the same in tangibles
in terms of the work ethic, the want to he
wants to be great, he wants to be coach hard,
and the process like, how do we get him on
a schedule, a process every single day that he can
(23:37):
follow to get him to the point that he feels
like he's playing at a higher level.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And con talking a little bit about what it was
like working with Baker Mayfield, but how it's going to
be different working with Tyber Lawrence, and you know they
want to get in the building kind of go over
the xs and o's. There are some limitations to that,
John with when they can meet, we'll see this probably
hit the ground a little bit more in April.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, they can talk minimally because you're allowed to talk
to human beings. But in terms of any sort of
football real game planning meeting, anything like that, that starts
up when the off season program, and that's plenty of time.
I mean, that's but that'll be when the fun starts.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
One of the reasons why Baker Mayfield was able to
take that big jump last year was because the Buccaneers
running game went from bottom five to top five, right,
So we were talking about offensive line and getting that right,
getting the running game going, and they proved it last
year in Tampaly. Improved what he can do. I'm gonna
be really interested in that. I know we talked about
Brian Thomas and wide receivers and you know that's the
(24:39):
sexy talk in the NFL these days, but that ground
game is going to be really important for the coach
to get the quarterback where he wants to.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Be and being able to rely on that consistently in
every game will be.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Here, which we have not had around here in a while.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah, Gladstone at the combine didn't reveal everything they're going
to do, obviously because you don't, but he did sort
of open the hand a little bit when asked about
the roster. He said, you know, the guys in the
trenches I'm paraphrasing, and guys who can score, So you know,
sort of keep that in mind when trying to figure
(25:10):
out free agency in the.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Draft, free agency begins on Monday. Things open up, they
can start talking. We'll announce things on Wednesday, and on
Tuesday we'll be in here to talk to you about
what we think the Jacks might do.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Enjoy your week,
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