April 8, 2025 • 25 mins
Kainani Stevens is joined by Brian Sexton and John Oehser in the TV studio as they welcome players back to the Miller Electric Center for offseason programming. The trio shares recent team news, plays a game of 'This or That,' and opens the Ozone mailbag to answer some questions. Stay tuned as John Oehser dives a little deeper into his conversation with Rams GM Les Snead from the NFL League Meetings. All this and more on Jags A.M.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to Jagxam. I'm tay Nannie Stevens, Brian Sexton, and
John Osier with me. We're all back in the house
because the players are back in the house today as
the off season program begins. So let's get into our
big things. Big thing number one is back.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the building.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Players are here for the first time. They get to
get acquainted with this new staff. Brian, We've been here
for a little bit, but it's gonna be different with
the players here and now they get to kind of
meet their new coaching staff and really understand what this
year is going to be like.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean, qu up the C word culture.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
This is when the coaches and the players establish the relationships,
They establish the expectations, you know, the things that they
want to get done and the way that they'll go
about doing it. It's voluntary. It's completely voluntary. But you
would think, John, that this is a really important time
for every player to be here, just to get to
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know the coaching staff, to get a feel for how
they're going to do things. You know, I saw Mike Rabel,
you know, sent letters to all the Patriots in his
first year voluntarily talked about volunteer It is totally voluntary,
but it doesn't make it less important when you have
a new coach yet.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It's voluntary, but it's a little awkward if you show
up for training camp and you haven't met anybody yet.
So it's it's voluntary. But most players, especially in this
first year of a new regime, I haven't been around
very many players who even really experienced good players who
don't show up and get involved in that first. When
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I talked to Liam Cohen last week at the at
the owner's meetings, I asked him what can players expect
when you show up? And he talked about the energy
and you know, when they walk in the building, coaches
want them to know this is what it's going to
be about. I also think Brian is going to be
some Look, this is a new thing. What you're walking
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into is not what it was before, and there's a
little bit of a you know tight and I.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Do yeah, I do think also, And there's no way
to quantify this. But if you're a player, especially a
player who's gotten another bite of the apple, if you're Trevor,
if you're Josh, if you're Tyson, if you're one of
these guys who's up for a contract. You have to
look and see what the owner did, I mean, to
make the clean sweep, which they had not done around
here since twenty thirteen, to send the entire defensive coach
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is coaching staff packing at after all, just bringing them in,
you know, it was a serious financial investment, emotional investment
in this franchise turning things around by the owner. And
I would think if you're a player, you'd want to
take a bite of that apple now.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And you look at some of the players that were
like go as well, veteran players here that we're used
to seeing, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk, it's all different now.
There's some new free agents that were brought in, so
a lot of new faces all around. Our second big
thing today is going to be fifty.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Year option John.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think one of the most obvious no brainers of
the week. They pick up the fifth year option on
Trayvon walk And people outside of Jacksonville don't seem to
understand as much because I know they don't watch Traylon
as much, but obviously this is a no brainer for them.
What does it mean in terms of a long term
deal though? Does this affect that at all?
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Well, not really.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I mean I think it shows certainly, hey, we like
Trayvon Walker. I think everybody who follows the team knows
how important Trayvon is and knows what a core piece
he can be. Necessarily, I don't necessarily think the fact
that they did the fifth year means that they are
going to do the Trayvon's long term deal in a week.
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It's kind of hard to explain, but when a new
regime comes in, even if a guy is going to
be a core player, they've only been around Trayvon the
new regime to shake his hand. He's only been around
them to shake their hand. There's nothing wrong at this
point in terms of the long term deal, Brian of
just saying, hey, you know.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
We know this is gonna work, but let's just see.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
It work for a while, see how everybody likes, to
see how you flourish. I don't think there'll be any
problem once the time is right to get Trayvon done.
And again, the fact that the long term deal hasn't
done yet and know it means they don't like Treyvon.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
They love Listen.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I don't think it'll take very long high for them
to decide, Hey, let's get this deal done right, Not
that there's any sense of urgency, but when they see
the way that he works, when they see his physical
skill set, when they understand what he means to the
defensive front, they love him. They're going to love him
even more and they'll get it done. I don't know
how it works, if he'll ever play on the fifth
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year deal, or they get a new year in place
and supplant that, or how they'll put it all together,
but he'll be here and they'll get him a long
term deal. And I'll say it one more time. He's
the first player since Kalaiis Campbell, the first player the
Jaguars have ever drafted that's posted back to back double
digit sack seasons. And I can't see any reason John
why he wouldn't be the first to have three consecutive
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double digit sack seasons. He may never be the seventeen
sack guy that Josh Allen is, right, but he absolutely
a double digit sack guy year after year after year
because of the way you play the game.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And all the other things he does for the team
as well that go unnoticed, but not by the players
and of course not by the new coaches. Once they
see him in action. So let's do our final big
things today, which is just over two weeks away. The
draft is coming up. We've been talking about it's inching
closer bit by bit Brian. At this point, how set
is the board? Do they feel like they know what
they're doing at this point or is it all how
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things fall.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
On the day of Well, you know, most teams are
set at this point. They know who they like and
they know where they like them at, and not just
the first round obviously, all the way through the end.
But you know, you've got a scouting staff that was here,
a general manager who wasn't. They brought in a new
element with the analytical and strategical side of things, So
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I wouldn't be surprised John if they're still tweaking things
around the edges.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
But my sense is they know who they want.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
You have a good idea of where most guys are
in the draft right now in terms of who they
specifically won at five. Tiss the season for a lot
of self mocking, and I do that a lot, so
I know it's about But for them, what it means
is you do a lot of scenarios, You do a
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lot of Okay, well, what do we like here? If
so and so falls to five and then you do
a lot of weighing value. I think it's wide open.
I mean, I know everybody's mocking Mason Graham right now.
I don't think he's a lock. I don't think anybody's
a lock. I think there are decisions and discussions being had,
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not right up to the draft, but certainly using these
next few weeks to make sure you're making the right choice.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
All right, stay with us here on Jagsam.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
We'll dive a little bit deeper, do some this or
that about what we think they go down in the
draft in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
So the way it played out is the Jaguars have
moved on from head coach Doug Peterson.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
The Jacks are allegedly down to three.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Final Liam Cohen will remain in Tampa Bay and no
longer be in.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
The meg We are following a local breaking news alert
involving the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars parted ways with general
manager Trend Baking.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
I did feel an immediate connection. Okay, you know, Shad
was very clear with where he wanted this organization to
go moving forward. I was being provided with an opportunity
in Tampa to potentially stay. But this is the goal
and it's at your doorstep.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Welcome back to Jack Vamerin.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It into a little bit of this or that, but
that was a tease for the Hunt episode which dropped
last week. If you haven't checked it out, it's about
thirty two minutes, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So there's a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
A lot has happened in the off season, but if
you want to look into that process of everything that
changed in the front office and the coaching, it's really
great access that we have. Now We've always done really
great things with this show, but just to see the
access we have now, it's spectaculars With Tony and James,
that's suddenly and Colin, it is excellent.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It doesn't get much better than that.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
You know, I've seen a lot and I'm sure you
guys have two around the League of team produced behind
the scenes content. Nobody has access better than this team does.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, this is off the charts access and yeah, because
saying that doesn't happen without leadership buying in Tony, Liham
and James have been outstanding on that because they want
the fans to see what's going on.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
So you got to give a shot at the crew
that produces that because there is a lot of passion
that goes into the early mornings and the late nights
and the travel and being behind the scenes and developing
the relationships.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's a great production.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Absolutely, they're working on it right now. With all the
players arriving today for off season workouts voluntary workouts.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We're going to talk a little draft though.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
We are just over two weeks away, which is crazy
because I feel like we've been talking about for a
while and we're inching slowly closer to these mocks and
we don't really know what's going to happen. We are
currently sitting at the fifth pick. So do we think
they're going to stay at the pick or are they
going to trade the pick well, or what's your choice?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Maybe let's do it that way.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I think they're going to stay because I think it's
a year where it's going to be hard to trade.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
And that's just a guess. You don't know until you're
on the clock.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
But there's been so many years where everybody's talked trade
beforehand and the GM comes out and says, we wouldn't
have minded, but no call. So this feels like that
year because it feels like the two quarterbacks are going.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
To go before the Jags. That's just sort of a consensus.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
And if there's not a quarterback at five, then a
lot of people believe that the two great players in
the draft are Carter and Hunter, and at five, you're
starting that run of good players but not necessarily better
than the rest. So I think they'd like to trade
but I think most teams would like to trade back
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this year, so I think it'll be difficult.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'll go from the I'd like to see them trade back,
but no further than nine because I've been told by
people that I know in this league that there are
nine guys that are difference makers, nine guys that have
true first round grades.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
John, and so.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
If you're gonna go back for this team and the
roster needs they have, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I mean,
you get a receiver, you can get a defensive lineman,
you get an offensive lineman. You have a pick in
those nine guys, So don't miss on the chance to
grab one of those. Because you have ten picks this year,
you have eleven picks next year. I never want to
say that you have enough picks, but you don't have
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enough great difference making players four and thirteen is evidence
of that. So if I'm gonna move back, I'm only
going to go back a couple of spots.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Yeah, nine's a low number, but it's an accurate number.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It there's a lot of people who think between six
and maybe one hundred that there's really not a huge difference.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
That's a little bit of exaggeration.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
But when people talking about this draft, that's what they're
talking about is there's a lot of good players. There's
about for me know x number up here, and it's
really deep through the first two.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
And a half three rounds.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, don't back away from the money.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So when we look at the draft as a whole,
obviously this is the first with the new regime here.
So how big of a deal is this draft? Obviously
there's been important drafts in the past, but for this franchise,
where they're at at this state, is it just the
next draft or is it really important that they get
this right.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
No, I think it's really important they get it right.
And again, you could go defensive line so that they
could push the pocket and play to their playmakers.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
On the edge.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
You could go to the defensive line because of the
running game. You go to the offensive line because of
the offensive struggles they've had converting on third down? And one,
where are the touchdowns coming from?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right now that you've let.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Go of two guys that were incredibly important to your offense, now,
I think there's a very important draft, John, because you
need to grab a player that can be a difference
maker right away.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, it's important because it's the first draft of James Gladstone,
and I think he's going to be here for a
long time. I don't want to necessarily over emphasiz the
importance because it's not necessarily considered a great draft where
you're going to get great in the second or third round.
You're gonna get good, solid, So I think it's important
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in this sense. If you're James Gladstone, you want to
set the tone for what you're gonna be, the direction
for what you believe. You want to get good players
and start raising the young.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Floor of the roster.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
He feels like he's already raised the floor. I think
it's really important to get a good start. I don't
know that you're going to get pro you know, three
pro bowlers out of it. But I think it's important
to get quality at the top and then one or
two guys in that second or third round that you
feel like are starters by the end of the first year.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
All right, stay with us. We're gonna come back a
little bit. We're gonna get an ozone mail bag. He
will join us with all of the answers after the break.
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Speaker 2 (13:13):
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Speaker 1 (13:13):
We're bringing back the ozone mail bag, John, and we're
thrilled you do it every day. So we might as
well recap some of the good ones. Let's start out
with Daniel from Saint John's, Florida, who says, do the
Jaguars think they solve the offensive line problem short term?
Or do they think they kind of put duct tape
on it to give them the freedom to take the
best available players in the draft?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, this was sort of a funny question to try
to answer because the answer is sort of yes. I
mean all that is or but it's sort of the
same thing, meaning they think they got better. I don't
want to portray them thinking that they went out and
signed the five best offensive linemen in the league. You know,
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so can you continue to get better?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You know?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Is it duct tape?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Well in a sense that you drafted guys you feel
like are capable starters and make you better. But Brian,
I think they still believe that. Okay, say you were here,
now you got to hear and they want to keep
getting here. So all of that is, yes, they feel
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like they're better, but everything they didn't free agency was
done with the idea of being able to go draft
the best available player. If they think there's a great
lineman out there, they're gonna take them at five. But
I don't necessarily think that they're gonna go that direction
at five.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Listen, a franchise that espouses that the draft is how
they're going to build, then free agency is duct tack
and that's the mindset that they're trying to get to.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Right now, they absolutely got better.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
We're gonna find out exactly what they think based on
where they draft offensive lineman. I mean, I know we're
all focused on one, but on Night two, they've got
a second and two third round picks. And this is
a good draft at the top for offensive lineman, especially
in the middle as you get into rounds two, three,
and four. So you know, we can say duct tape
right now. But if they draft an offensive lineman in
the second round and in the fourth round, is that
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duct tape?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I just think when you look.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
At it, we're going to find out more when we
get through the draft about what they feel about their
offensive line.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And unfortunately we've seen depth is very important at offensive
line considering the injuries, so you can never have enough there.
Our second question for Ozone's gonna be Tony from John's
Craig Georgia says, maybe the Jags trade back a spot
or two and select Ashton genty. He along with running
backs Travesy Tan Junior and Tank Bixby would make a
loaded backfield. I say, maybe too many in the backfield,
but I have heard some smoke about this.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's hard to say what they would do it if
they did take uh Gent. I don't necessarily think that
it's a lot that they have to trade back to tape.
I mean there are considered. Again, we talked about it earlier.
Two great players Carter and.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Hunter. But a lot of people think that ad a
Gent's right there with them.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
The position devalue makes it a trick to take at
number five. But if you're talking about the three players
in the draft who people think stand above the rest,
he's one of them.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
So could they take him.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I think there's a handful of players they could take
who sort of fit that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Bill.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I think he's right in there. What would they do
running back in this situation? Sometimes, Brian, it's harder to
trade backs, meaning running backs than people think because you're
not necessarily gonna get the value. Sometimes it's better just
to keep those as on your roster because you're gonna
get more from having them than trading them.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I think it'd be a tough spot.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
We talked earlier about touchdowns, and two years ago Travis
Etn gave you eleven touchdowns, So you know, perhaps he
could be worked into a role where he becomes a
touchdown maker.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I listen, I've been told.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That on the high end, Genty looks like a young
Ladanian Tomlinson, right, and on the low end he looks
like Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean, both of these guys are prolific.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Touchdown scorers, and you you don't have Christian Kirk is gone,
Evan Ingram is gone. Who are the touchdown makers last year?
The only guy left is Brian Thomas Junior. You need
people who scored touchdowns. This guy scored what twenty six
last year. I've got no problem with they decide to
take this running back because he looks like he is special,
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even if he's not Ladanian Tomlinson, who's at the league
record with thirty one touchdowns in two thousand and six.
If he's the guy that McCaffrey was two years ago
when he was the Offensive Player of the Year and
scored twenty six touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Take it.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, for perspective, you tend to forget as guys move on.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Ladanian might be the best back in the last twenty years.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh and I know there are Derrick Henry. There are
guys who be on that conversation as well, Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
But I mean, if he's Ladanian, who.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Was a high level I haven't looked at his numbers lately,
but it felt like high level for seven or eight years,
then number five is not too Would number five be
too high for Fred?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
No, So if he's Fred, which that's the conversation, Ladanian
is up there to me with the Fred Taylor of
the world. If he's that, then number five and two.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
If the Bears took Curtis Enis at five, ye, so,
and they would have rather had Fred.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Listen, you need touchdown may.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Common to take me instead.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah. Probably.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
You need touchdown scorers, touchdown makers on this roster.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You don't have enough of them.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So you know, whether it's a running back or receiver,
a tight end, they're all available in those you know,
those nine players most people think belong there in the
first round. Give me any of the three of them,
and it makes this offense explosive. And don't forget, by
the way, it's worth noting that last year Liam Cohen,
in his year as the offensive coordinator for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, took a running game that was near the
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bottom of the league and moved them into the top five.
And you saw what it did for Baker Mayfield's career
career best forty one touchdown passes.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So imagine that this on the.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Field with your quarterback and Brian Thomas Jr. It's pretty
exciting to sort of let the scenarios play out.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, it's exciting to be at a point now where
you could say anything besides quarterback, and I wouldn't be
surprised if they picked that position for the draft. So
it's kind of cool to see how they build this together.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Final ozone mailbag questions runs from JP. I don't know
if it's our JP, he says, I saw we can
now wear our throwbacks four times a year.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I guess we're getting at least four wins this season.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Well, I played Agrans. I don't know if they can
wear them all four times. I think they can. I
think what the rule is from what I have read,
a version of an alternate jersey can be worn four
times rather than three. In the pasture, I think there
will be a thought of wearing the prowlers as often
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as you can.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, listen, I don't know what the rules are either.
At this point, they're changing year to year. It's clear
though that there is a lot of money to be
made in alternate uniforms and alternate helmet. Look at what
college football, especially what Oregon has done. We're getting to
the point where you feel like maybe they're just gonna
take all the rules off and it's going to be
where what you want.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I doubt the NFL will ever do that because they
like The NFL really likes people who can be in
a sports bar without the sound and know that they're
seeing a certain team, but.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Half the schedule now is in an alternate uniform. They're
getting closer.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I don't think they'll go where it's Oregon where you
can basically see or May Maryland a few years back,
where like they were in purple at some point.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I don't think they'll go to that degree, but they're
going further than I ever thought they woul.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, they're putting a lot of emphasis there on the
merchandising side of things, and that's what the NFL does well.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
They make money.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Many shades of teal will figure it out at some point,
but I wouldn't be mad if they did the throwbacks
four times.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Here.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We'll tell you what's coming up the rest of the
week here and what you can expect before the draft,
which exam brought to you by Fresh from Florida. It's
always in season.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And what the Gators are.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
On top today, I shouldn't give a shout out to them.
We got a bunch of them in the building. They've
been telling me about it.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I have heard it yet, this.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
One right here, well yeah, I mean, John doesn't throw
in your face.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I'm not a huge athletics fan compared to a lot
of people in the building, but I did get a
little bit into this team the last two weeks, and
because some friends of mine cover the team, so I
kind of follow them. And they're an impressive champion the
way they won it, so it was kind of cool
to see.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Listen, I'm a college troops guy, went to Kansas and
so I think I know a thing or two about it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But to watch that.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Team take Houston, which that defense was as good of
a college basketball defense as I've seen since Nolan Richardson's
forty Minutes of Hell if you remember that at Arkansas,
man was a good and for Florida to take pune
after ponge after punch down twelve in the bonus with
thirteen minutes to play in the half, I thought, well,
this one's over, and Florida just kept standing in there,
taking the punch and delivering, and then of course the
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guard comes alive at the end with a couple of
big three point shots. It was a really fun game
to watch, even though it was what sixty five sixty three.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Now you talk about mental toughness for a college player.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
For Clayton to have the kind of half he did
and then hit huge shots in the second over watching
sports for a long time, you see a lot of
people melt when they don't have a great you know,
expectations high, and it looked like it didn't even affect
mem It was like an iceman and then hit huge shots.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
They don't win the championship without him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
It was cool.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I mean, I don't follow college basketball like I did
a long time ago when I was covering it. I
covered Florida's first Final four in ninety four, So it
was good. Yeah, A Lone was a good, very good
coach Kansa, and it was cool to see a team
that you felt like was doing it the right way.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
March is such a special time of year. So congratulations
to the Gators. The champions as i've seen, got very good.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
John.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
What's going on this week? They're coming in there wretching.
I can do some squats, but they can't touch football's yet.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
I had a little stretching this morning. About the same
on board.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Here is I mean, so much of this week is meetings.
It's getting to know these guys and it's really starting
to jump into the schemes.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
In terms of meetings, the on.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Field stuff is stole aways off by rule. So but
one final thing if people haven't heard it. The ozone
podcast last week was Rams General Manager Less Snead. I
usually don't, you know, promote that much on this show
something else, but the less Snead was really fascinating. His
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thoughts on what Tony Biselli means the organization or that
kind of a vision can mean, and obviously his thoughts
on Gladstone and Cohen, who he knows well. It was
interesting stuff that I would recommend if you're interested in
what these.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Guys are about to go back and.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Listen to that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Now before we get out of here today, I do
you want to mention one addition to our production department
here at Jaguars we have Elizabeth Hockman is our newest
addition here to Jaguars AM, which is our I guess
he has many titles. I will say editor, photog, just general.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
He's in my phone.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is mad Max, John's favorite person.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Max. He's the best, but he's.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Responsible for all of the Maximus he's responsible for all
of the miked up content that you guys love so much.
But we have baby Elizabeth Hakman that is joining us
and very cute.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We love baby.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Photos, so I had to share. But Max will be
out for a while. He'll be back for micd up
during the season. But congratulations to them.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Katie is doing well as well and exciting. First, any
dad advice did you guys give him any dad advice?
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Well, first of all, Max has the same outfit, so
he doesn't love pink.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
He does love pink.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
No, Max and Katie will be great parents because they're
great people.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
My advice for him was before the baby arrived, to
enjoy sleeping because he's not going to get as much
of it as he's accustomed to.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
For the next Max like some naps, so I'll have
to figure that out. Get on the right schedule. Anyway,
Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week on Jagula.
Welcome to Jagxam. I'm tay Nannie Stevens, Brian Sexton, and
John Osier with me. We're all back in the house
because the players are back in the house today as
the off season program begins. So let's get into our
big things. Big thing number one is back.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the building.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Players are here for the first time. They get to
get acquainted with this new staff. Brian, We've been here
for a little bit, but it's gonna be different with
the players here and now they get to kind of
meet their new coaching staff and really understand what this
year is going to be like.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean, qu up the C word culture.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
This is when the coaches and the players establish the relationships,
They establish the expectations, you know, the things that they
want to get done and the way that they'll go
about doing it. It's voluntary. It's completely voluntary. But you
would think, John, that this is a really important time
for every player to be here, just to get to
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know the coaching staff, to get a feel for how
they're going to do things. You know, I saw Mike Rabel,
you know, sent letters to all the Patriots in his
first year voluntarily talked about volunteer It is totally voluntary,
but it doesn't make it less important when you have
a new coach yet.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It's voluntary, but it's a little awkward if you show
up for training camp and you haven't met anybody yet.
So it's it's voluntary. But most players, especially in this
first year of a new regime, I haven't been around
very many players who even really experienced good players who
don't show up and get involved in that first. When
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I talked to Liam Cohen last week at the at
the owner's meetings, I asked him what can players expect
when you show up? And he talked about the energy
and you know, when they walk in the building, coaches
want them to know this is what it's going to
be about. I also think Brian is going to be
some Look, this is a new thing. What you're walking
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into is not what it was before, and there's a
little bit of a you know tight and I.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Do yeah, I do think also, And there's no way
to quantify this. But if you're a player, especially a
player who's gotten another bite of the apple, if you're Trevor,
if you're Josh, if you're Tyson, if you're one of
these guys who's up for a contract. You have to
look and see what the owner did, I mean, to
make the clean sweep, which they had not done around
here since twenty thirteen, to send the entire defensive coach
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is coaching staff packing at after all, just bringing them in,
you know, it was a serious financial investment, emotional investment
in this franchise turning things around by the owner. And
I would think if you're a player, you'd want to
take a bite of that apple now.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And you look at some of the players that were
like go as well, veteran players here that we're used
to seeing, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk, it's all different now.
There's some new free agents that were brought in, so
a lot of new faces all around. Our second big
thing today is going to be fifty.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Year option John.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think one of the most obvious no brainers of
the week. They pick up the fifth year option on
Trayvon walk And people outside of Jacksonville don't seem to
understand as much because I know they don't watch Traylon
as much, but obviously this is a no brainer for them.
What does it mean in terms of a long term
deal though? Does this affect that at all?
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Well, not really.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I mean I think it shows certainly, hey, we like
Trayvon Walker. I think everybody who follows the team knows
how important Trayvon is and knows what a core piece
he can be. Necessarily, I don't necessarily think the fact
that they did the fifth year means that they are
going to do the Trayvon's long term deal in a week.
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It's kind of hard to explain, but when a new
regime comes in, even if a guy is going to
be a core player, they've only been around Trayvon the
new regime to shake his hand. He's only been around
them to shake their hand. There's nothing wrong at this
point in terms of the long term deal, Brian of
just saying, hey, you know.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
We know this is gonna work, but let's just see.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
It work for a while, see how everybody likes, to
see how you flourish. I don't think there'll be any
problem once the time is right to get Trayvon done.
And again, the fact that the long term deal hasn't
done yet and know it means they don't like Treyvon.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
They love Listen.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I don't think it'll take very long high for them
to decide, Hey, let's get this deal done right, Not
that there's any sense of urgency, but when they see
the way that he works, when they see his physical
skill set, when they understand what he means to the
defensive front, they love him. They're going to love him
even more and they'll get it done. I don't know
how it works, if he'll ever play on the fifth
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year deal, or they get a new year in place
and supplant that, or how they'll put it all together,
but he'll be here and they'll get him a long
term deal. And I'll say it one more time. He's
the first player since Kalaiis Campbell, the first player the
Jaguars have ever drafted that's posted back to back double
digit sack seasons. And I can't see any reason John
why he wouldn't be the first to have three consecutive
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double digit sack seasons. He may never be the seventeen
sack guy that Josh Allen is, right, but he absolutely
a double digit sack guy year after year after year
because of the way you play the game.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And all the other things he does for the team
as well that go unnoticed, but not by the players
and of course not by the new coaches. Once they
see him in action. So let's do our final big
things today, which is just over two weeks away. The
draft is coming up. We've been talking about it's inching
closer bit by bit Brian. At this point, how set
is the board? Do they feel like they know what
they're doing at this point or is it all how
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things fall.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
On the day of Well, you know, most teams are
set at this point. They know who they like and
they know where they like them at, and not just
the first round obviously, all the way through the end.
But you know, you've got a scouting staff that was here,
a general manager who wasn't. They brought in a new
element with the analytical and strategical side of things, So
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I wouldn't be surprised John if they're still tweaking things
around the edges.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
But my sense is they know who they want.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
You have a good idea of where most guys are
in the draft right now in terms of who they
specifically won at five. Tiss the season for a lot
of self mocking, and I do that a lot, so
I know it's about But for them, what it means
is you do a lot of scenarios, You do a
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lot of Okay, well, what do we like here? If
so and so falls to five and then you do
a lot of weighing value. I think it's wide open.
I mean, I know everybody's mocking Mason Graham right now.
I don't think he's a lock. I don't think anybody's
a lock. I think there are decisions and discussions being had,
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not right up to the draft, but certainly using these
next few weeks to make sure you're making the right choice.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
All right, stay with us here on Jagsam.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
We'll dive a little bit deeper, do some this or
that about what we think they go down in the
draft in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
So the way it played out is the Jaguars have
moved on from head coach Doug Peterson.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
The Jacks are allegedly down to three.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Final Liam Cohen will remain in Tampa Bay and no
longer be in.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
The meg We are following a local breaking news alert
involving the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars parted ways with general
manager Trend Baking.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
I did feel an immediate connection. Okay, you know, Shad
was very clear with where he wanted this organization to
go moving forward. I was being provided with an opportunity
in Tampa to potentially stay. But this is the goal
and it's at your doorstep.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Welcome back to Jack Vamerin.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It into a little bit of this or that, but
that was a tease for the Hunt episode which dropped
last week. If you haven't checked it out, it's about
thirty two minutes, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So there's a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
A lot has happened in the off season, but if
you want to look into that process of everything that
changed in the front office and the coaching, it's really
great access that we have. Now We've always done really
great things with this show, but just to see the
access we have now, it's spectaculars With Tony and James,
that's suddenly and Colin, it is excellent.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It doesn't get much better than that.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
You know, I've seen a lot and I'm sure you
guys have two around the League of team produced behind
the scenes content. Nobody has access better than this team does.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, this is off the charts access and yeah, because
saying that doesn't happen without leadership buying in Tony, Liham
and James have been outstanding on that because they want
the fans to see what's going on.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
So you got to give a shot at the crew
that produces that because there is a lot of passion
that goes into the early mornings and the late nights
and the travel and being behind the scenes and developing
the relationships.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's a great production.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Absolutely, they're working on it right now. With all the
players arriving today for off season workouts voluntary workouts.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We're going to talk a little draft though.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
We are just over two weeks away, which is crazy
because I feel like we've been talking about for a
while and we're inching slowly closer to these mocks and
we don't really know what's going to happen. We are
currently sitting at the fifth pick. So do we think
they're going to stay at the pick or are they
going to trade the pick well, or what's your choice?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Maybe let's do it that way.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I think they're going to stay because I think it's
a year where it's going to be hard to trade.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
And that's just a guess. You don't know until you're
on the clock.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
But there's been so many years where everybody's talked trade
beforehand and the GM comes out and says, we wouldn't
have minded, but no call. So this feels like that
year because it feels like the two quarterbacks are going.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
To go before the Jags. That's just sort of a consensus.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
And if there's not a quarterback at five, then a
lot of people believe that the two great players in
the draft are Carter and Hunter, and at five, you're
starting that run of good players but not necessarily better
than the rest. So I think they'd like to trade
but I think most teams would like to trade back
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this year, so I think it'll be difficult.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'll go from the I'd like to see them trade back,
but no further than nine because I've been told by
people that I know in this league that there are
nine guys that are difference makers, nine guys that have
true first round grades.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
John, and so.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
If you're gonna go back for this team and the
roster needs they have, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I mean,
you get a receiver, you can get a defensive lineman,
you get an offensive lineman. You have a pick in
those nine guys, So don't miss on the chance to
grab one of those. Because you have ten picks this year,
you have eleven picks next year. I never want to
say that you have enough picks, but you don't have
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enough great difference making players four and thirteen is evidence
of that. So if I'm gonna move back, I'm only
going to go back a couple of spots.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Yeah, nine's a low number, but it's an accurate number.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It there's a lot of people who think between six
and maybe one hundred that there's really not a huge difference.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
That's a little bit of exaggeration.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
But when people talking about this draft, that's what they're
talking about is there's a lot of good players. There's
about for me know x number up here, and it's
really deep through the first two.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
And a half three rounds.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, don't back away from the money.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So when we look at the draft as a whole,
obviously this is the first with the new regime here.
So how big of a deal is this draft? Obviously
there's been important drafts in the past, but for this franchise,
where they're at at this state, is it just the
next draft or is it really important that they get
this right.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
No, I think it's really important they get it right.
And again, you could go defensive line so that they
could push the pocket and play to their playmakers.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
On the edge.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
You could go to the defensive line because of the
running game. You go to the offensive line because of
the offensive struggles they've had converting on third down? And one,
where are the touchdowns coming from?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right now that you've let.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Go of two guys that were incredibly important to your offense, now,
I think there's a very important draft, John, because you
need to grab a player that can be a difference
maker right away.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, it's important because it's the first draft of James Gladstone,
and I think he's going to be here for a
long time. I don't want to necessarily over emphasiz the
importance because it's not necessarily considered a great draft where
you're going to get great in the second or third round.
You're gonna get good, solid, So I think it's important
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in this sense. If you're James Gladstone, you want to
set the tone for what you're gonna be, the direction
for what you believe. You want to get good players
and start raising the young.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Floor of the roster.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
He feels like he's already raised the floor. I think
it's really important to get a good start. I don't
know that you're going to get pro you know, three
pro bowlers out of it. But I think it's important
to get quality at the top and then one or
two guys in that second or third round that you
feel like are starters by the end of the first year.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
All right, stay with us. We're gonna come back a
little bit. We're gonna get an ozone mail bag. He
will join us with all of the answers after the break.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
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Speaker 2 (13:13):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
We're bringing back the ozone mail bag, John, and we're
thrilled you do it every day. So we might as
well recap some of the good ones. Let's start out
with Daniel from Saint John's, Florida, who says, do the
Jaguars think they solve the offensive line problem short term?
Or do they think they kind of put duct tape
on it to give them the freedom to take the
best available players in the draft?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, this was sort of a funny question to try
to answer because the answer is sort of yes. I
mean all that is or but it's sort of the
same thing, meaning they think they got better. I don't
want to portray them thinking that they went out and
signed the five best offensive linemen in the league. You know,
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so can you continue to get better?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You know?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Is it duct tape?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Well in a sense that you drafted guys you feel
like are capable starters and make you better. But Brian,
I think they still believe that. Okay, say you were here,
now you got to hear and they want to keep
getting here. So all of that is, yes, they feel
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like they're better, but everything they didn't free agency was
done with the idea of being able to go draft
the best available player. If they think there's a great
lineman out there, they're gonna take them at five. But
I don't necessarily think that they're gonna go that direction
at five.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Listen, a franchise that espouses that the draft is how
they're going to build, then free agency is duct tack
and that's the mindset that they're trying to get to.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Right now, they absolutely got better.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
We're gonna find out exactly what they think based on
where they draft offensive lineman. I mean, I know we're
all focused on one, but on Night two, they've got
a second and two third round picks. And this is
a good draft at the top for offensive lineman, especially
in the middle as you get into rounds two, three,
and four. So you know, we can say duct tape
right now. But if they draft an offensive lineman in
the second round and in the fourth round, is that
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duct tape?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I just think when you look.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
At it, we're going to find out more when we
get through the draft about what they feel about their
offensive line.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And unfortunately we've seen depth is very important at offensive
line considering the injuries, so you can never have enough there.
Our second question for Ozone's gonna be Tony from John's
Craig Georgia says, maybe the Jags trade back a spot
or two and select Ashton genty. He along with running
backs Travesy Tan Junior and Tank Bixby would make a
loaded backfield. I say, maybe too many in the backfield,
but I have heard some smoke about this.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's hard to say what they would do it if
they did take uh Gent. I don't necessarily think that
it's a lot that they have to trade back to tape.
I mean there are considered. Again, we talked about it earlier.
Two great players Carter and.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Hunter. But a lot of people think that ad a
Gent's right there with them.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
The position devalue makes it a trick to take at
number five. But if you're talking about the three players
in the draft who people think stand above the rest,
he's one of them.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
So could they take him.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I think there's a handful of players they could take
who sort of fit that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Bill.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I think he's right in there. What would they do
running back in this situation? Sometimes, Brian, it's harder to
trade backs, meaning running backs than people think because you're
not necessarily gonna get the value. Sometimes it's better just
to keep those as on your roster because you're gonna
get more from having them than trading them.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I think it'd be a tough spot.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
We talked earlier about touchdowns, and two years ago Travis
Etn gave you eleven touchdowns, So you know, perhaps he
could be worked into a role where he becomes a
touchdown maker.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I listen, I've been told.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That on the high end, Genty looks like a young
Ladanian Tomlinson, right, and on the low end he looks
like Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I mean, both of these guys are prolific.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Touchdown scorers, and you you don't have Christian Kirk is gone,
Evan Ingram is gone. Who are the touchdown makers last year?
The only guy left is Brian Thomas Junior. You need
people who scored touchdowns. This guy scored what twenty six
last year. I've got no problem with they decide to
take this running back because he looks like he is special,
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even if he's not Ladanian Tomlinson, who's at the league
record with thirty one touchdowns in two thousand and six.
If he's the guy that McCaffrey was two years ago
when he was the Offensive Player of the Year and
scored twenty six touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Take it.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, for perspective, you tend to forget as guys move on.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Ladanian might be the best back in the last twenty years.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh and I know there are Derrick Henry. There are
guys who be on that conversation as well, Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
But I mean, if he's Ladanian, who.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Was a high level I haven't looked at his numbers lately,
but it felt like high level for seven or eight years,
then number five is not too Would number five be
too high for Fred?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
No, So if he's Fred, which that's the conversation, Ladanian
is up there to me with the Fred Taylor of
the world. If he's that, then number five and two.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
If the Bears took Curtis Enis at five, ye, so,
and they would have rather had Fred.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Listen, you need touchdown may.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Common to take me instead.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah. Probably.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
You need touchdown scorers, touchdown makers on this roster.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You don't have enough of them.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
So you know, whether it's a running back or receiver,
a tight end, they're all available in those you know,
those nine players most people think belong there in the
first round. Give me any of the three of them,
and it makes this offense explosive. And don't forget, by
the way, it's worth noting that last year Liam Cohen,
in his year as the offensive coordinator for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, took a running game that was near the
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bottom of the league and moved them into the top five.
And you saw what it did for Baker Mayfield's career
career best forty one touchdown passes.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So imagine that this on the.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Field with your quarterback and Brian Thomas Jr. It's pretty
exciting to sort of let the scenarios play out.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, it's exciting to be at a point now where
you could say anything besides quarterback, and I wouldn't be
surprised if they picked that position for the draft. So
it's kind of cool to see how they build this together.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Final ozone mailbag questions runs from JP. I don't know
if it's our JP, he says, I saw we can
now wear our throwbacks four times a year.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I guess we're getting at least four wins this season.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Well, I played Agrans. I don't know if they can
wear them all four times. I think they can. I
think what the rule is from what I have read,
a version of an alternate jersey can be worn four
times rather than three. In the pasture, I think there
will be a thought of wearing the prowlers as often
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as you can.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, listen, I don't know what the rules are either.
At this point, they're changing year to year. It's clear
though that there is a lot of money to be
made in alternate uniforms and alternate helmet. Look at what
college football, especially what Oregon has done. We're getting to
the point where you feel like maybe they're just gonna
take all the rules off and it's going to be
where what you want.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I doubt the NFL will ever do that because they
like The NFL really likes people who can be in
a sports bar without the sound and know that they're
seeing a certain team, but.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Half the schedule now is in an alternate uniform. They're
getting closer.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I don't think they'll go where it's Oregon where you
can basically see or May Maryland a few years back,
where like they were in purple at some point.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I don't think they'll go to that degree, but they're
going further than I ever thought they woul.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, they're putting a lot of emphasis there on the
merchandising side of things, and that's what the NFL does well.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
They make money.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Many shades of teal will figure it out at some point,
but I wouldn't be mad if they did the throwbacks
four times.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Here.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We'll tell you what's coming up the rest of the
week here and what you can expect before the draft,
which exam brought to you by Fresh from Florida. It's
always in season.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And what the Gators are.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
On top today, I shouldn't give a shout out to them.
We got a bunch of them in the building. They've
been telling me about it.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I have heard it yet, this.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
One right here, well yeah, I mean, John doesn't throw
in your face.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I'm not a huge athletics fan compared to a lot
of people in the building, but I did get a
little bit into this team the last two weeks, and
because some friends of mine cover the team, so I
kind of follow them. And they're an impressive champion the
way they won it, so it was kind of cool
to see.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Listen, I'm a college troops guy, went to Kansas and
so I think I know a thing or two about it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But to watch that.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Team take Houston, which that defense was as good of
a college basketball defense as I've seen since Nolan Richardson's
forty Minutes of Hell if you remember that at Arkansas,
man was a good and for Florida to take pune
after ponge after punch down twelve in the bonus with
thirteen minutes to play in the half, I thought, well,
this one's over, and Florida just kept standing in there,
taking the punch and delivering, and then of course the
(22:03):
guard comes alive at the end with a couple of
big three point shots. It was a really fun game
to watch, even though it was what sixty five sixty three.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Now you talk about mental toughness for a college player.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
For Clayton to have the kind of half he did
and then hit huge shots in the second over watching
sports for a long time, you see a lot of
people melt when they don't have a great you know,
expectations high, and it looked like it didn't even affect
mem It was like an iceman and then hit huge shots.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
They don't win the championship without him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
It was cool.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I mean, I don't follow college basketball like I did
a long time ago when I was covering it. I
covered Florida's first Final four in ninety four, So it
was good. Yeah, A Lone was a good, very good
coach Kansa, and it was cool to see a team
that you felt like was doing it the right way.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
March is such a special time of year. So congratulations
to the Gators. The champions as i've seen, got very good.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
John.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
What's going on this week? They're coming in there wretching.
I can do some squats, but they can't touch football's yet.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
I had a little stretching this morning. About the same
on board.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Here is I mean, so much of this week is meetings.
It's getting to know these guys and it's really starting
to jump into the schemes.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
In terms of meetings, the on.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Field stuff is stole aways off by rule. So but
one final thing if people haven't heard it. The ozone
podcast last week was Rams General Manager Less Snead. I
usually don't, you know, promote that much on this show
something else, but the less Snead was really fascinating. His
(23:38):
thoughts on what Tony Biselli means the organization or that
kind of a vision can mean, and obviously his thoughts
on Gladstone and Cohen, who he knows well. It was
interesting stuff that I would recommend if you're interested in
what these.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Guys are about to go back and.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Listen to that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Now before we get out of here today, I do
you want to mention one addition to our production department
here at Jaguars we have Elizabeth Hockman is our newest
addition here to Jaguars AM, which is our I guess
he has many titles. I will say editor, photog, just general.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
He's in my phone.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is mad Max, John's favorite person.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Max. He's the best, but he's.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Responsible for all of the Maximus he's responsible for all
of the miked up content that you guys love so much.
But we have baby Elizabeth Hakman that is joining us
and very cute.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We love baby.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Photos, so I had to share. But Max will be
out for a while. He'll be back for micd up
during the season. But congratulations to them.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Katie is doing well as well and exciting. First, any
dad advice did you guys give him any dad advice?
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Well, first of all, Max has the same outfit, so
he doesn't love pink.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
He does love pink.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
No, Max and Katie will be great parents because they're
great people.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
My advice for him was before the baby arrived, to
enjoy sleeping because he's not going to get as much
of it as he's accustomed to.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
For the next Max like some naps, so I'll have
to figure that out. Get on the right schedule. Anyway,
Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week on Jagula.
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