August 14, 2025 • 23 mins
Kainani Stevens, John Oehser, and special guest David Garrard are live with Jags A.M. ahead of the second preseason game against the New Orleans Saints. The crew discusses the upcoming roster crunch and potential playing time vs. the Saints. This and more on Jags A.M., presented by Fields Auto Group.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to JAG's AM. Training camp continues a scrimmage scheduled
for today. We're in studio here for you on JAGSAM
as we get ready for the second preseason game on
Sunday against the Saints, but still a couple more days
of practice before we get to that. Welcome into studio
here the hun Day Studios. I'm Tan Nannie Stevens. John
Oser is with me. We also have a special guest
host I'll introduce in a minute, but let's start out
(00:38):
with our Big Things presented by g e H A
Government Employees Health Association. Big Thing Number one is the scrimmage.
I mentioned this is going to be the second scrimmage
we've seen during training camp, a little bit different. They're
treating it like an actual game and going to get
some advice from our guest host today, David Garard, former
Jaguars quarterback. David, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And it's a little bit unusual.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
What else of these scrimmages like this, We don't see
them very often. Did you experience that all when you played?
And and how does that help with quarterback?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I think, uh, they're probably having multiple scrimmages because you're
just lacking so many preseason games like you used to
do back in the day. So this is opportunity to
see your starters in situations that you can actually put
'em in and see how they perform, but also get
some of the young guys in situations because you start
to lose the opportunity to get them in preseason games
to get meaningful snaps. So uh, I think it's a
(01:29):
great thing, and I'm sure more teams are gonna be
doing us around the league.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, I agree, David, and I think the second factor
in this, uh, they would have liked, I think to
have had two joint practices, meaning they have one against
the Dolphins. I think they would have liked In the future,
we'll try to get another, uh cause I know Liam
Cohen likes that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
This is a way I think to sort of simulate
a little more game action, get a little more of
that intensity maybe you'd have gotten from a joint practice.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
But it's interesting, I I I'm not sure I've ever
been around a team that's had two real scrimmages during
uh the tra uh during the preseason.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
So I'm wondering if if that's a trend going forward.
I think, as David said, it might be with with
the three preseason.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Games, our second big thing today is gonna be second look.
We talked a little bit about what we saw from
the starters in that first game earlier this week, but
it was only for one drive on offense and and
one and a half for some of the defensive players. John,
what are we looking forward to in this second look?
Obviously this might be the last time we see the starters,
cause there's only three preseason games. What do you kind
of have your eye out for in the second look
(02:31):
in the second preseason game.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yep, It's so hard to know because usually you judge
how you're gonna see preseason based on what the coach
is underfore, and this is Leam's first time through this.
I would think this might be the last look. Because
you had a joint practice next week against Miami.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
A lot of.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Coaches pull the starters out of that because they feel
like they've gotten the work in that in that pre
a in that uh joint practice. So you would assume that,
and then you would assume maybe a couple of series
to try to get a feel for these guys that
you couldn't they got to play more than.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
One because you have to have a little bit of
an adjustment.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So maybe three series. I doubt through halftime. That doesn't
feel right to me, but we'll see, David. You just
don't know at this point.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a fan now, so I want
to see my starters. I want to see them go
out and operate. I think it's a good thing for
them to go out and have multiple preseason games that
they play in. And I'm starting to see a trend
where more teams are starting to play more of their starters.
I mean, Joe Burrow played in the first preseason game.
You didn't see that kind of thing the last you know,
(03:36):
five years, honestly, So I like it. I think guys
need more opportunity to get the season started. You've already
eliminated one preseason game, So get your starters out there
for at least two quarters. Maybe never go into the
third quarter just because you feel like you've kept everybody
healthy and you can finish in the first quarter. But
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give them some time to play together so that they
can start the season fast and strong and not come
limping into the season like they have the last few seasons.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Our final big thing today is going to be happy campers.
Is about two weeks left at this point until they
cut the roster down and things kind of wrap up
for training camp. David, I know things were different when
you played. Obviously had two days, so it was a
little bit different for a training camp. But where's what's
the perspective of a player at this point. Obviously it's
a long training camp, dog days at this point, where
what are the player's mindset at this point?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, being that old guy, I am a little jealous
that there's only one practice and I think there might
be a second practice that's another practice, just a walk through.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
But you know, their.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Mindset is they're excited that camp is finally breaking. If
it is truly like a camp where they're in a
hotel and locked over there and they can't see their family,
you know, guys would always, you know, three or four
weeks in start getting excited to be able to get
back to their kids and their wives and those kind
of things, just to break up the monotony of camp.
(04:57):
But this one that they're doing now, I mean I
feel like they kind of can stay in it for
a little bit and uh continue to work on meshing
as a unit, meshing as a team. But usually their
their mindset is, you know, we made it through another one,
and now we've got to see who's sticking to the
roster and who's not.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And you know that's never a fun time. Uh, but
it's a it's a necessary time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I think the next couple of weeks or realistically for
this team more about trying to mesh, more about trying
to get ready. Liam Cohen on that I think it
was Monday, talked about you know, they probably know their
first fifty to fifty one guys right now. Uh, and
then they're trying to figure out he's gonna be on
the practice squad, what those last uh couple of roster
(05:39):
spots that you sort of play with are gonna look like.
But we saw in the scrimmage, Uh, this team still
needs to mesh under new head coach, new offensive coordinator,
new defensive coordinator, new GM.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
There's still some camaraderie and some chemistry uh to be gained.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So it feels like that's what this is.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And uh, two more weeks of I guess it's the
dog days.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I guess there's dog days still in training camp.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, no more dog days. It's two pushack.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, all right, stick with us. We're gonna talk to
David gard a little bit about that first season game
and also preview the Staints matchup this weekend. Welcome back
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Speaker 2 (06:38):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We've got David Gerard with us today, so we're gonna
pick your brain a little bit as we talk about
that first preseason game, also kind of the experience of
training camp a little bit. So when we look at this,
a lot of new faces around here in Jacksonville, but
one of the familiar ones is Trevor Lawrence entering his
fifth season, but a lot of change for him, right,
three different coaching staffs, three different offensive systems. I'm sure
(07:00):
you're familiar with a lot of change in terms of systems.
So how difficult is that as a quarterback to pick
up a new system?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It can be pretty difficult because every system can be
totally different.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
You can be speaking Spanish one day and then.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
All of sudden you're speaking English or Chinese, like it's
just a totally different language, and you really have to
put in a ton of work. Like at home, he's married,
so he's got a wife that can sit there and
call plays to him so he can repeat it back towards.
These are things that me and my wife did many times.
And you have to because you're trying to get yourself
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familiar with the verbiage so that when you're in the huddle,
the guys know exactly that you have it one hundred
percent down. Now they can struggle a little bit with
what's being said, but the quarterback can.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So it's it's very important for you to.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Know that language that you're speaking and be able to
enunciate it and get it to the guys clearly.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And David, how important you know?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I assume there's learning the system and then there's applying
the system once the pads go on and once you
know the bullets fly or however you want to call it.
Is is it different in a new system once it
gets real and you've really got to use what you've learned.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Is there a process that Trevor's going through right now.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, he's he's really trying to figure out the best
way that when he hears the call that he is
going to be able to go out and produce as
easily and functional for him as possible, because if he's
not on, then it's hard to get anybody else on
because he's the one that's got to.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
You know, get the ball to everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So you want to make sure as a quarterback that
you are prepared and that you're ready to go, but
not just mentally, but also physically, and also making sure
your teammates are ready to go. So if he has
to have meetings where he calls in the whole offense
or just the receivers, or maybe the running backs are
struggling with something, he's got to make sure, you know,
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coming from a coach, that he's also being a coach
and going and sometimes he'll stop in the running backs
room see what they're going over so that he can
tell them, oh, this is what I'm thinking on this,
what are you thinking on this? And he'll go into
every room and do that because you have to. You
have to make sure the old line is on the
same page, receivers, running backs, tight ends, all of them.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
And then you go sit in with the coaches.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So you're another coach out there on the field and
when you're in the locker room, in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Running back room is one we've been focusing on.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's a lot of some new faces, some old faces,
a lot of competition in that group. Liam Collen has
said his focus is really establishing the run and taking
some of that pressure off Trevor. Obviously you've played with
some good running backs yourself. How much does that help
you when you kind of know what you're getting from
those guys, so you can kind of expect something from
them and take a little bit of pressure off yourself.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I love the running back room because you have so
many different dynamic running backs. You got Etn who can
he can rush, he can also catch very well, and
he's real fluid and smooth when he's on the field.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Tank Bigsby type back that is.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
More bruising downhill but also still has the speed to
take off. Touton who just has the speed and cannot
run anybody, and every coach will tell you speed kills.
So anytime you can get those kind of guys on
the field, and even Allen the other bigger back, is
huge because you want to make sure your quarterback has
somebody that he can rely on I can just turn around,
(10:30):
hand this ball to you and know that you can
take it forty to.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Fifty yards and take some of that pressure off me.
Just look at the Philadelphia Eagles with Sakoon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, when you can have a back that can
take some of the stress off of the offense, off
of the quarterback and they can go put the ball
in the end zone, it's huge.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
So we definitely need this group to perform well this year.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Something I've talked a lot about this week data the
other night when two scored in the second half and
the team sort of carried.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Him into the end zone. If you well, it wasn't
quite like that the offensive line pushed him in.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You know, I may be making too much out of it,
but it really seemed the reaction afterward. As much as
Liam Cohen has talked about the running game, it seemed
very symbolic and it seemed like a sign that this
team was buying into.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That whole idea We've got to be more physical. Anything
to that. Did you like seeing that? And can a
team sort of embrace that sort of thing this early?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Absolutely, That's what training campus for is to build those
that camaraderie, to build guys that are trying to work together,
that are trying to you know, pull and push in
the same direction.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And so that's what you want. That's what you need.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Just like when our kicker hit that seventy yarder. Yeah,
I mean you see Travis Hunter, first guy out there
to go give him a big chess ball.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
I mean those he.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Almost jumped ashigh as you did. He jumped way higher than.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
So, but that's what you want.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Those are the things that's the galvanizing All those things happen.
Now when you see the Chiefs and all these other
teams in the Super Bowl, it's because of these moments
in training camp, them figuring it all out and everybody
buying in to being on the same page to move
in the same direction. That's what's gotta happen. And anytime
you can get those moments, you know, doesn't matter who
(12:21):
it is. Guys don't care who it is. I mean
I wasn't the starter my whole time when I played,
but when I got out there, guys.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Were pulling for me to go out there and perform.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So whoever's out there, as long as you're putting the
ball in the end zone, you're making plays. You're the
guy that is that's got the energy, that juice that
guys want to go out there and rally behind and
play for They'll do it, doesn't matter who you are.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I didn't want to touch on the offensive line room.
This feels like the first season we've had in a
while where there's a ton of competition in that group.
What as a quarterback, is it just time on task
to get that trust with your offensive line? What does
it take to get to that?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, it is, it's it's that, but it's really just
believing in them, knowing that they can get the job done,
because you know, when you're playing quarterback, you can't think
about what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
You're thinking about how not.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
To get hit and protect yourself and all that kind
of stuff. But once the ball is snapped, it's on
them to do their job, and you want to make
sure that you have the best five the coaches have
figured out who's the best out there, especially for my
left tackle, because I can't see what's going on back there,
so I need to make sure that you've got it
down and coaches understand, like if somebody's struggling in that area,
(13:32):
if it is a little that's struggling or whatever it is,
they'll help him. They'll protect him, they'll put the tight
end to his side more, they'll slide the line to
his side. So there's ways to help. Because sometimes when
you get a rookie that comes in, you want to
make sure that you're just not leaving them on an island.
So there's ways to help, especially tackles, but you want
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to make sure you have the five and then they
play together as much in as long as possible, because
there are times when a call isn't gonna be made,
but you need to make sure or that person needs
to know this is what I'm supposed to be doing
in this situation.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Even though nobody said it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm ready for it, and that you just gotta
have just the ultimate trust in your old line.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Knowing your responsibility. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Stay with us here on Jagsam.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
After the break, we're gonna talk a little bit about
that second preseason game as we had to New Orleans
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Welcome back in to JAG's am preseason underway. The scrimmage
underway in training camp today. But we're gonna talk a
little bit quickly about that second preseason matchup that's coming
up this weekend. Normally Daguars play Friday, Saturday or something
(14:59):
like that. They're gonna playing Sunday at one. It's gonna
be like a real deal, as we had to New
Orleans this weekend and taking on a franchise that's in
a similar spot in terms of new coaching staff. We
don't have a new quarterback, but they'll have a new
quarterback as well, So lots of change going on for them.
But Kellen Moore, who was the offensive coordinator with the
Super Bowl champion of Philadelphia Eagles, They're obviously gonna be
(15:20):
tried to be offensively focused, as many teams are in
the twenty twenty five NFL. But I feel like there's
at least here there's an excitement to see what the
team will actually look like. Right So, I'm assuming New
Orleans is in a similar situation where John they don't
necessarily know their identity yet, but this is when they're finally,
for the first time kind of seeing how this team
(15:42):
will be built going forward.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, they finally had to hit reset. I mean, I
mean they were franchised for years with Breeze. They kept
playing it out, playing it out, sort of mortgaging the future.
As you say, they even because of their salary cap.
And I'm looking at it from a distance, but because
their salary cap, they sort of had to he sort
of patchworking it for a while, and then this year
(16:04):
they finally said, Okay, we.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Have to make a change and move this thing forward.
It feels like rebuilding there with the first year quarterback in.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Preseason David, realistically, you're looking more at the team you're covering.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So I'm fascinated really to see what we.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Talked about earlier, how the Jaguars will play starters, how
they will approach this. Do they have this feel like
their preseason warm up, meaning you know, there's always a
dress rehearsal game for you guys, it was always Week
three because you wanted to not play in Week four.
I'm curious to see how much this is a dress
rehearsal for.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
The Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
When we're looking at We talked a little bit about
Tyler Shuck, who's actually one week older than Trevor Lawrence,
which will be interesting considering the new college landscape.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Rookie, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
He's a rookie.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
He's coming in.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Trevor's into year five, Shuck is into year one. When
you're coming in a little bit older, is it?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I guess we'll find out on Sunday. But what's the
learning curve? How was it for you coming in and
kind of trying to learn that NFL offense? Did you
feel prepared for it when you came in?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah? So when I came in, once again, it was
old school. We're always gonna be saying old school when
people were talking about me, but it was a more
old school kind of way.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You played at least four years of college football, and
if you red shirted like I did, it was five
years of college football because they wanted to have a
more veteran guy coming into the league and not a
young pup that they would have to kind of learn
and figure out how to play NFL ball and all
that kind of stuff. But the way that the college
game is and the way that the NFL game is,
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they're kind of getting closer and closer together.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I mean, you can see in the pros everybody's.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
In shotgun all the time already now so and in
college they don't even know how to go under center.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
So it's it. That's just how the game is, and
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I used to be the grumpy old guy that would say,
you know, get under center, and what are we doing here?
We're teaching these college guys, you know, bad habits and
all this kind of stuff. But as long as the
game is fun, they're putting points up, quarterbacks are making plays.
When I was coming out, you did not talk the
same way that these uh NFL teams are talking with
(18:18):
their language and that kind of stuff. There might be
some similarities here and there, but are hundred plays compared
to their three hundred and fifty plays.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
It's a big difference. You're like, how can you add
that many more plays? But you can't? Uh, and they did.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So it is interesting. It is pretty cool. But I
think with Schuck he's gonna be that kind of older,
young vet rookie guy that can come in and hopefully
handle things a little better. Than say a twenty one
year old. But you know, it's always what are you
doing on the field, That's what it always comes down to.
(18:54):
We can talk about it all right now in the preseason.
You can look great in the preseason, but when real
bullet start flying in Week one, that's when we're going
to get a true idea of how good these guys are.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:40):
Welcome back into Jagsday.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm going to talk a little bit about cut day,
which is I think ten days away at this point eleven.
Maybe it's not coming Tuesday, the next Tuesday. Liam Cohen
talked earlier this week and he said in his mind
he's got fifty of the fifty three kind of figured out.
So David, just want to use your experience a little
bit at this edge of the this point in the preseason,
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what are players kind of trying to try to make
a mark on their last uh last kind of opportunities
to show the coach.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That they got Yeah, I mean it's the last opportunities
of you being able to make that mark so that
coaches remember you and say, we need to have this
guy on our st on our roster. So it is
a big moment for a lot of guys. You know,
I honestly never had to go through any kind of
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cut situation like that. Well at the cut times I did.
If anybody remembers, but.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Your lunch, well we did have lunch, so you know.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
But it is testing.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Even when you are a starter, even when you are
a guy that's not worried as much, you still kind
of have it in the back of your mind because
you start hearing of other guys that are vets that
you're like, whoa, that guy's pretty good and he just.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Got let go. So it's always in the back of
your mind for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But when you're a young guy, when you get to
these moments, you just have to stay within yourself, make
sure that you're putting in a ton of extra reps
before and after practice as much as you can so
that when your number is called, you're able to go
out there and just make a play, make a play
or two so that the coaches say, we can't cut
this guy.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
This guy is making plays for us.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I mean, Terrell Davis uh has kind of the most unbelievable,
you know, last day of cut situation. He's in a
final preseason game. He's not making the team. The coach
has already kind of told him he's not, So just
go out there and have fun done and do whatever
you can do. Goes down and makes a huge hit
on a guy on kickoff, and he makes a team
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through special teams because of that hit on the last
preseason game. This guy turns out to be a Hall
of Fame player, which is unbelievable in so many different ways.
But that right there just tells you you can do it,
and you can go on and have a great career,
not just make a team one year.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I think one thing to to remember now it's so
much different than when I started covering to league when
you played, is that there's now sixteen guys on the.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Practice squad rather than six.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So the reality of the last cut has become and
I think it's a really positive for the league and
the players. By the way, it's less about, you know,
when you get that knock on the door. For a
lot of these guys, the career is not ending. It
just means they're not gonna be making as much money
that first week, and then they're still gonna have a
chance to develop, which is a huge It's been a
(22:30):
major improvement.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It also takes you know, it's obviously a huge deal
to make the.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Final roster, but so much of the roster now five
or six or seven of these guys are on the
practice squad wind up getting moved up. You're sort of
a you know, an auxiliary part of the team, if
you will. So it's not like you're necessarily saying goodbye.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
To these guys. A lot of these guys will still contribute.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
That said, when you make that roster, it's still a
big deal for these kids, and it's still a cool
story that day when they make that fifty three.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Absolutely tough decisions, but very exciting for those that make
the fifty three. So we're gonna head to New Orleans
this weekend our second preseason game, will be back next
week to recap everything for you here on dad's I
Am
Welcome to JAG's AM. Training camp continues a scrimmage scheduled
for today. We're in studio here for you on JAGSAM
as we get ready for the second preseason game on
Sunday against the Saints, but still a couple more days
of practice before we get to that. Welcome into studio
here the hun Day Studios. I'm Tan Nannie Stevens. John
Oser is with me. We also have a special guest
host I'll introduce in a minute, but let's start out
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with our Big Things presented by g e H A
Government Employees Health Association. Big Thing Number one is the scrimmage.
I mentioned this is going to be the second scrimmage
we've seen during training camp, a little bit different. They're
treating it like an actual game and going to get
some advice from our guest host today, David Garard, former
Jaguars quarterback. David, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And it's a little bit unusual.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
What else of these scrimmages like this, We don't see
them very often. Did you experience that all when you played?
And and how does that help with quarterback?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I think, uh, they're probably having multiple scrimmages because you're
just lacking so many preseason games like you used to
do back in the day. So this is opportunity to
see your starters in situations that you can actually put
'em in and see how they perform, but also get
some of the young guys in situations because you start
to lose the opportunity to get them in preseason games
to get meaningful snaps. So uh, I think it's a
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great thing, and I'm sure more teams are gonna be
doing us around the league.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, I agree, David, and I think the second factor
in this, uh, they would have liked, I think to
have had two joint practices, meaning they have one against
the Dolphins. I think they would have liked In the future,
we'll try to get another, uh cause I know Liam
Cohen likes that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
This is a way I think to sort of simulate
a little more game action, get a little more of
that intensity maybe you'd have gotten from a joint practice.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
But it's interesting, I I I'm not sure I've ever
been around a team that's had two real scrimmages during
uh the tra uh during the preseason.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
So I'm wondering if if that's a trend going forward.
I think, as David said, it might be with with
the three preseason.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Games, our second big thing today is gonna be second look.
We talked a little bit about what we saw from
the starters in that first game earlier this week, but
it was only for one drive on offense and and
one and a half for some of the defensive players. John,
what are we looking forward to in this second look?
Obviously this might be the last time we see the starters,
cause there's only three preseason games. What do you kind
of have your eye out for in the second look
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in the second preseason game.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yep, It's so hard to know because usually you judge
how you're gonna see preseason based on what the coach
is underfore, and this is Leam's first time through this.
I would think this might be the last look. Because
you had a joint practice next week against Miami.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
A lot of.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Coaches pull the starters out of that because they feel
like they've gotten the work in that in that pre
a in that uh joint practice. So you would assume that,
and then you would assume maybe a couple of series
to try to get a feel for these guys that
you couldn't they got to play more than.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
One because you have to have a little bit of
an adjustment.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So maybe three series. I doubt through halftime. That doesn't
feel right to me, but we'll see, David. You just
don't know at this point.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a fan now, so I want
to see my starters. I want to see them go
out and operate. I think it's a good thing for
them to go out and have multiple preseason games that
they play in. And I'm starting to see a trend
where more teams are starting to play more of their starters.
I mean, Joe Burrow played in the first preseason game.
You didn't see that kind of thing the last you know,
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five years, honestly, So I like it. I think guys
need more opportunity to get the season started. You've already
eliminated one preseason game, So get your starters out there
for at least two quarters. Maybe never go into the
third quarter just because you feel like you've kept everybody
healthy and you can finish in the first quarter. But
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give them some time to play together so that they
can start the season fast and strong and not come
limping into the season like they have the last few seasons.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Our final big thing today is going to be happy campers.
Is about two weeks left at this point until they
cut the roster down and things kind of wrap up
for training camp. David, I know things were different when
you played. Obviously had two days, so it was a
little bit different for a training camp. But where's what's
the perspective of a player at this point. Obviously it's
a long training camp, dog days at this point, where
what are the player's mindset at this point?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, being that old guy, I am a little jealous
that there's only one practice and I think there might
be a second practice that's another practice, just a walk through.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
But you know, their.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Mindset is they're excited that camp is finally breaking. If
it is truly like a camp where they're in a
hotel and locked over there and they can't see their family,
you know, guys would always, you know, three or four
weeks in start getting excited to be able to get
back to their kids and their wives and those kind
of things, just to break up the monotony of camp.
(04:57):
But this one that they're doing now, I mean I
feel like they kind of can stay in it for
a little bit and uh continue to work on meshing
as a unit, meshing as a team. But usually their
their mindset is, you know, we made it through another one,
and now we've got to see who's sticking to the
roster and who's not.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And you know that's never a fun time. Uh, but
it's a it's a necessary time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I think the next couple of weeks or realistically for
this team more about trying to mesh, more about trying
to get ready. Liam Cohen on that I think it
was Monday, talked about you know, they probably know their
first fifty to fifty one guys right now. Uh, and
then they're trying to figure out he's gonna be on
the practice squad, what those last uh couple of roster
(05:39):
spots that you sort of play with are gonna look like.
But we saw in the scrimmage, Uh, this team still
needs to mesh under new head coach, new offensive coordinator,
new defensive coordinator, new GM.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
There's still some camaraderie and some chemistry uh to be gained.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So it feels like that's what this is.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And uh, two more weeks of I guess it's the
dog days.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I guess there's dog days still in training camp.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, no more dog days. It's two pushack.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, all right, stick with us. We're gonna talk to
David gard a little bit about that first season game
and also preview the Staints matchup this weekend. Welcome back
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Speaker 2 (06:38):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
We've got David Gerard with us today, so we're gonna
pick your brain a little bit as we talk about
that first preseason game, also kind of the experience of
training camp a little bit. So when we look at this,
a lot of new faces around here in Jacksonville, but
one of the familiar ones is Trevor Lawrence entering his
fifth season, but a lot of change for him, right,
three different coaching staffs, three different offensive systems. I'm sure
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you're familiar with a lot of change in terms of systems.
So how difficult is that as a quarterback to pick
up a new system?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It can be pretty difficult because every system can be
totally different.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
You can be speaking Spanish one day and then.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
All of sudden you're speaking English or Chinese, like it's
just a totally different language, and you really have to
put in a ton of work. Like at home, he's married,
so he's got a wife that can sit there and
call plays to him so he can repeat it back towards.
These are things that me and my wife did many times.
And you have to because you're trying to get yourself
(07:35):
familiar with the verbiage so that when you're in the huddle,
the guys know exactly that you have it one hundred
percent down. Now they can struggle a little bit with
what's being said, but the quarterback can.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So it's it's very important for you to.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Know that language that you're speaking and be able to
enunciate it and get it to the guys clearly.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And David, how important you know?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I assume there's learning the system and then there's applying
the system once the pads go on and once you
know the bullets fly or however you want to call it.
Is is it different in a new system once it
gets real and you've really got to use what you've learned.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Is there a process that Trevor's going through right now.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, he's he's really trying to figure out the best
way that when he hears the call that he is
going to be able to go out and produce as
easily and functional for him as possible, because if he's
not on, then it's hard to get anybody else on
because he's the one that's got to.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
You know, get the ball to everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So you want to make sure as a quarterback that
you are prepared and that you're ready to go, but
not just mentally, but also physically, and also making sure
your teammates are ready to go. So if he has
to have meetings where he calls in the whole offense
or just the receivers, or maybe the running backs are
struggling with something, he's got to make sure, you know,
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coming from a coach, that he's also being a coach
and going and sometimes he'll stop in the running backs
room see what they're going over so that he can
tell them, oh, this is what I'm thinking on this,
what are you thinking on this? And he'll go into
every room and do that because you have to. You
have to make sure the old line is on the
same page, receivers, running backs, tight ends, all of them.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
And then you go sit in with the coaches.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So you're another coach out there on the field and
when you're in the locker room, in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Running back room is one we've been focusing on.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's a lot of some new faces, some old faces,
a lot of competition in that group. Liam Collen has
said his focus is really establishing the run and taking
some of that pressure off Trevor. Obviously you've played with
some good running backs yourself. How much does that help
you when you kind of know what you're getting from
those guys, so you can kind of expect something from
them and take a little bit of pressure off yourself.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I love the running back room because you have so
many different dynamic running backs. You got Etn who can
he can rush, he can also catch very well, and
he's real fluid and smooth when he's on the field.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Tank Bigsby type back that is.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
More bruising downhill but also still has the speed to
take off. Touton who just has the speed and cannot
run anybody, and every coach will tell you speed kills.
So anytime you can get those kind of guys on
the field, and even Allen the other bigger back, is
huge because you want to make sure your quarterback has
somebody that he can rely on I can just turn around,
(10:30):
hand this ball to you and know that you can
take it forty to.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Fifty yards and take some of that pressure off me.
Just look at the Philadelphia Eagles with Sakoon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, when you can have a back that can
take some of the stress off of the offense, off
of the quarterback and they can go put the ball
in the end zone, it's huge.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
So we definitely need this group to perform well this year.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Something I've talked a lot about this week data the
other night when two scored in the second half and
the team sort of carried.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Him into the end zone. If you well, it wasn't
quite like that the offensive line pushed him in.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You know, I may be making too much out of it,
but it really seemed the reaction afterward. As much as
Liam Cohen has talked about the running game, it seemed
very symbolic and it seemed like a sign that this
team was buying into.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That whole idea We've got to be more physical. Anything
to that. Did you like seeing that? And can a
team sort of embrace that sort of thing this early?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Absolutely, That's what training campus for is to build those
that camaraderie, to build guys that are trying to work together,
that are trying to you know, pull and push in
the same direction.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And so that's what you want. That's what you need.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Just like when our kicker hit that seventy yarder. Yeah,
I mean you see Travis Hunter, first guy out there
to go give him a big chess ball.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
I mean those he.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Almost jumped ashigh as you did. He jumped way higher than.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
So, but that's what you want.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Those are the things that's the galvanizing All those things happen.
Now when you see the Chiefs and all these other
teams in the Super Bowl, it's because of these moments
in training camp, them figuring it all out and everybody
buying in to being on the same page to move
in the same direction. That's what's gotta happen. And anytime
you can get those moments, you know, doesn't matter who
(12:21):
it is. Guys don't care who it is. I mean
I wasn't the starter my whole time when I played,
but when I got out there, guys.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Were pulling for me to go out there and perform.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So whoever's out there, as long as you're putting the
ball in the end zone, you're making plays. You're the
guy that is that's got the energy, that juice that
guys want to go out there and rally behind and
play for They'll do it, doesn't matter who you are.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I didn't want to touch on the offensive line room.
This feels like the first season we've had in a
while where there's a ton of competition in that group.
What as a quarterback, is it just time on task
to get that trust with your offensive line? What does
it take to get to that?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, it is, it's it's that, but it's really just
believing in them, knowing that they can get the job done,
because you know, when you're playing quarterback, you can't think
about what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
You're thinking about how not.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
To get hit and protect yourself and all that kind
of stuff. But once the ball is snapped, it's on
them to do their job, and you want to make
sure that you have the best five the coaches have
figured out who's the best out there, especially for my
left tackle, because I can't see what's going on back there,
so I need to make sure that you've got it
down and coaches understand, like if somebody's struggling in that area,
(13:32):
if it is a little that's struggling or whatever it is,
they'll help him. They'll protect him, they'll put the tight
end to his side more, they'll slide the line to
his side. So there's ways to help. Because sometimes when
you get a rookie that comes in, you want to
make sure that you're just not leaving them on an island.
So there's ways to help, especially tackles, but you want
(13:53):
to make sure you have the five and then they
play together as much in as long as possible, because
there are times when a call isn't gonna be made,
but you need to make sure or that person needs
to know this is what I'm supposed to be doing
in this situation.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Even though nobody said it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm ready for it, and that you just gotta
have just the ultimate trust in your old line.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Knowing your responsibility. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Stay with us here on Jagsam.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
After the break, we're gonna talk a little bit about
that second preseason game as we had to New Orleans
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Welcome back in to JAG's am preseason underway. The scrimmage
underway in training camp today. But we're gonna talk a
little bit quickly about that second preseason matchup that's coming
up this weekend. Normally Daguars play Friday, Saturday or something
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like that. They're gonna playing Sunday at one. It's gonna
be like a real deal, as we had to New
Orleans this weekend and taking on a franchise that's in
a similar spot in terms of new coaching staff. We
don't have a new quarterback, but they'll have a new
quarterback as well, So lots of change going on for them.
But Kellen Moore, who was the offensive coordinator with the
Super Bowl champion of Philadelphia Eagles, They're obviously gonna be
(15:20):
tried to be offensively focused, as many teams are in
the twenty twenty five NFL. But I feel like there's
at least here there's an excitement to see what the
team will actually look like. Right So, I'm assuming New
Orleans is in a similar situation where John they don't
necessarily know their identity yet, but this is when they're finally,
for the first time kind of seeing how this team
(15:42):
will be built going forward.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, they finally had to hit reset. I mean, I
mean they were franchised for years with Breeze. They kept
playing it out, playing it out, sort of mortgaging the future.
As you say, they even because of their salary cap.
And I'm looking at it from a distance, but because
their salary cap, they sort of had to he sort
of patchworking it for a while, and then this year
(16:04):
they finally said, Okay, we.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Have to make a change and move this thing forward.
It feels like rebuilding there with the first year quarterback in.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Preseason David, realistically, you're looking more at the team you're covering.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So I'm fascinated really to see what we.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Talked about earlier, how the Jaguars will play starters, how
they will approach this. Do they have this feel like
their preseason warm up, meaning you know, there's always a
dress rehearsal game for you guys, it was always Week
three because you wanted to not play in Week four.
I'm curious to see how much this is a dress
rehearsal for.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
The Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
When we're looking at We talked a little bit about
Tyler Shuck, who's actually one week older than Trevor Lawrence,
which will be interesting considering the new college landscape.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Rookie, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
He's a rookie.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
He's coming in.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Trevor's into year five, Shuck is into year one. When
you're coming in a little bit older, is it?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I guess we'll find out on Sunday. But what's the
learning curve? How was it for you coming in and
kind of trying to learn that NFL offense? Did you
feel prepared for it when you came in?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah? So when I came in, once again, it was
old school. We're always gonna be saying old school when
people were talking about me, but it was a more
old school kind of way.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You played at least four years of college football, and
if you red shirted like I did, it was five
years of college football because they wanted to have a
more veteran guy coming into the league and not a
young pup that they would have to kind of learn
and figure out how to play NFL ball and all
that kind of stuff. But the way that the college
game is and the way that the NFL game is,
(17:40):
they're kind of getting closer and closer together.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I mean, you can see in the pros everybody's.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
In shotgun all the time already now so and in
college they don't even know how to go under center.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
So it's it. That's just how the game is, and
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I used to be the grumpy old guy that would say,
you know, get under center, and what are we doing here?
We're teaching these college guys, you know, bad habits and
all this kind of stuff. But as long as the
game is fun, they're putting points up, quarterbacks are making plays.
When I was coming out, you did not talk the
same way that these uh NFL teams are talking with
(18:18):
their language and that kind of stuff. There might be
some similarities here and there, but are hundred plays compared
to their three hundred and fifty plays.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
It's a big difference. You're like, how can you add
that many more plays? But you can't? Uh, and they did.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So it is interesting. It is pretty cool. But I
think with Schuck he's gonna be that kind of older,
young vet rookie guy that can come in and hopefully
handle things a little better. Than say a twenty one
year old. But you know, it's always what are you
doing on the field, That's what it always comes down to.
(18:54):
We can talk about it all right now in the preseason.
You can look great in the preseason, but when real
bullet start flying in Week one, that's when we're going
to get a true idea of how good these guys are.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, it looks like he's gonna get to start right away,
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Speaker 2 (19:40):
Welcome back into Jagsday.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm going to talk a little bit about cut day,
which is I think ten days away at this point eleven.
Maybe it's not coming Tuesday, the next Tuesday. Liam Cohen
talked earlier this week and he said in his mind
he's got fifty of the fifty three kind of figured out.
So David, just want to use your experience a little
bit at this edge of the this point in the preseason,
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what are players kind of trying to try to make
a mark on their last uh last kind of opportunities
to show the coach.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That they got Yeah, I mean it's the last opportunities
of you being able to make that mark so that
coaches remember you and say, we need to have this
guy on our st on our roster. So it is
a big moment for a lot of guys. You know,
I honestly never had to go through any kind of
(20:29):
cut situation like that. Well at the cut times I did.
If anybody remembers, but.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Your lunch, well we did have lunch, so you know.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
But it is testing.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Even when you are a starter, even when you are
a guy that's not worried as much, you still kind
of have it in the back of your mind because
you start hearing of other guys that are vets that
you're like, whoa, that guy's pretty good and he just.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Got let go. So it's always in the back of
your mind for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But when you're a young guy, when you get to
these moments, you just have to stay within yourself, make
sure that you're putting in a ton of extra reps
before and after practice as much as you can so
that when your number is called, you're able to go
out there and just make a play, make a play
or two so that the coaches say, we can't cut
this guy.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
This guy is making plays for us.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I mean, Terrell Davis uh has kind of the most unbelievable,
you know, last day of cut situation. He's in a
final preseason game. He's not making the team. The coach
has already kind of told him he's not, So just
go out there and have fun done and do whatever
you can do. Goes down and makes a huge hit
on a guy on kickoff, and he makes a team
(21:40):
through special teams because of that hit on the last
preseason game. This guy turns out to be a Hall
of Fame player, which is unbelievable in so many different ways.
But that right there just tells you you can do it,
and you can go on and have a great career,
not just make a team one year.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I think one thing to to remember now it's so
much different than when I started covering to league when
you played, is that there's now sixteen guys on the.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Practice squad rather than six.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
So the reality of the last cut has become and
I think it's a really positive for the league and
the players. By the way, it's less about, you know,
when you get that knock on the door. For a
lot of these guys, the career is not ending. It
just means they're not gonna be making as much money
that first week, and then they're still gonna have a
chance to develop, which is a huge It's been a
(22:30):
major improvement.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It also takes you know, it's obviously a huge deal
to make the.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Final roster, but so much of the roster now five
or six or seven of these guys are on the
practice squad wind up getting moved up. You're sort of
a you know, an auxiliary part of the team, if
you will. So it's not like you're necessarily saying goodbye.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
To these guys. A lot of these guys will still contribute.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
That said, when you make that roster, it's still a
big deal for these kids, and it's still a cool
story that day when they make that fifty three.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Absolutely tough decisions, but very exciting for those that make
the fifty three. So we're gonna head to New Orleans
this weekend our second preseason game, will be back next
week to recap everything for you here on dad's I
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