September 17, 2025 • 23 mins
Kainani Stevens, Brian Sexton and John Oehser take a final look at the tough loss to the Bengals and discuss adjustments needed heading into the Jaguars' Week 3 matchup at home against the Houston Texans. This and more on Jags A.M., presented by Jet Home Loans.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to Jack Zama.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm kind of honesty Eves, Frian Sexton, and John Osier
with me this morning as we get ready for a
Week three matchup with the Texans. We're gonna go over
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
So big thing number one is aggressive, not reckless.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
After the game against the Bengals, head coach n and
Cohen very adamant about going for it on fourth down
in Bengals territory rather than taking the field goal when they.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Had a three point lead.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
He said analytics said so, and that it's always.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
A go for him.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
He elaborated further on Monday about why he is always
going to be aggressive with his team.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, that was a combination of data and gut where
you're saying, okay, who's on the other side, other quarterback,
your opposing quarterback on the road, you know, to go
up six there that we've watched that scenario play out
too many times in my game management meeting for me
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to not feel one hundred percent confident with that decision.
You watch so many opportunities where you do that, you take,
you go up six, you kick it off. They get
the ball at the plus thirty to thirty five yard line,
and now their mindset is touchdown, and so you go
down and they go down and score, and you lose
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by one point. You guys would all be killing me
today anyway. So at the end of the day, I
want to be aggressive and give ourselves a chance to
go close games out on our terms.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Jegglers weren't able to convert that fourth down, so obviously
questions arise Brian when they lose a game like that,
But he mentions, you know, analytics part of it, part
of it's what the.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Feeling of the game is. But reiterating that he wants
to seem to be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
At all times, Well, it was some questions rochecard because
people just aren't used to that sort of aggressiveness. They're
used to the conventional way of doing things. And he
told us on the first drive of the season, when
he went for it on fourth and one inside his own.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Forty yard line, that he was going to be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He wants to trust his team and he wants his
team to trust him. When John he decided he was
going to do it.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I went, Wow.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But when you just took a minute to think about it,
what he just explained, it made a lot of sense.
And he had confidence in your defense. You had them
backed up with a backup quarterback. They did get them
to fourth down a couple of times. I love the
aggressiveness and I love the fact that this guy, as
his team improves, it's only going to take chances more often.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Do you remember the hue and cry and the outcry
when he went for it on fourth and one in
the opener? No, because it worked. I mean, and that's
what happens. I the old school guy. I even said,
he KaiA said this is a bad decision when he
did it.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But that's the old school guy.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
And I stepped back, and I realize the NFL these days,
more and more, you assume the other team in that
situation thirty five forty yard line late in the game,
as he said, with the mindset of going for it
means they're playing four downs. This is the way they
play football in the NFL. Now, he's going to be aggressive.
He's always going to do it. I've got a lot
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of ozone questions, Brian, and a lot of debate.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You can end the debate. It's what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Listen, if Brian Thomas Junior catches the ball again, there's
no debate about it at all.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
He called the right play.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Kai he had it dialed up perfectly, and the quarterback
put the ball there. Brian just didn't catch it. And
I don't want to beat that horse because I know
we're going to talk about that plenty, But the reality
of it is is he made the right decision and
he called the right play.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It's just now about.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Execution, Yes, all about execution. Some changes here in Jacksonville.
So it's nice to see and know what we're going
to see going forward. Our second big thing today is
going to be communications. Communication is key always, but a
little talk being made of the reaction between head coach
Dan Cohen and quarterback Trebor Lawrence going back and forth
on the sideline during the game.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Now both of.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Them kind of reiterating it wasn't that big.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Of a deal, but also Coan talked about it on Monday.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, it gets made to be a thing that obviously,
you know, in the in this rat poison world we
live in, but uh, it's you know, it's the it's emotional.
It's an emotional game. It's a competitive game. We're all competitive,
We're all emotional. I can control mind better, and uh,
you know, he was just telling me to like move on.
(04:30):
You know, he wasn't telling me to go screw. It's
just saying, dude, move on, you know, like come on, guys,
like it's uh, but yeah, to answer your to answer
your question.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Ryan it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I was very pleased with the way he you know,
he showed something, you know, he did got ticked off
at times. He had great dialogue with his teammates on
the sidelines. He made some huge throws for us and
critical moments and if anything, I was extremely coouraged with
with Trevor post games.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
John, We've got a rat poison mention a lah Nick Saban,
so that's always fun. But talking about that relationship, this
is a different coaching style for Trevor.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think it might be good for him.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, look that's all real.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I mean now what Liam was saying, and a goat
to some people over the time he's been here. He
has a very unique way of holding players accountable. His
communication with players, He's gonna get in their face, He's
going to be emotional with him. But at the same time,
when he does that, he has a way that they
know they support that, they know he supports them. It's
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a different kind of style than I've been around. But
the players respond to it. They trust it. I think
Trevor Lawrence trusts that they can have that sort of interaction,
and so does Liam. And it not have ramifications. This
is a story because rat poison, whatever, because this thing
turns into a story, but it's not an issue within
these walls.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
It's a game of emotion and of human confrontation.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
I loved it because I think that we need a
bit of that. You know, the coach is passionate and
Trevor Lords is decidedly dispassionate. You know, when he's out
there playing football, he isn't ruled by his emotions, and
so to have a coach who is the opposite end,
there's a balancing effect here, and I think that'll be
good for both of them. Plus, it's drama and football
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is entertainment and it drives viewership and people are interested.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
We're still talking about.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It, but overall, bottom line, I really believe that this
will be good for both men.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Okay, I can't tell you the number of times I've
heard in the last month they're coaching Trevor really hard
because he's learning new things, adapting to a system. He's
being coached differently than ever before. The number of times
that I've heard they are ecstatic with how he's taken
that coaching. So again, this is a thing because these
things become a thing in social media e. It's not
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thing inside the walls.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I was gonna say, I think Trevor's really taken to
it as well, at least from what we've seen the
first couple of weeks and through training camp. So our
final big thing today is gonna be Texans time, because
before we know it's going to be Texans time here.
The Texans are returning to be the first divisional.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Matchup so far for the Jags.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
We've seen a lot so far from what this new
regime is going to look like, Brian, but these games
are important.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So what are we gonna see against the textim?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
You know, Kay, Just to give her what a history lesson.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
The Texans came in here as an expansion team in
two thousand and two and beat the Jaguars, and ever
since then they have had the upper hand and it
felt like in twenty twenty two that the Jaguars had
turned the corner and they were ready to sort of
sit atop the division in the South like they never had.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
And yet here comes c. J.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Stroud, who's won three of four against the Jaguars over
the last two years. And then you have the move
with the linebacker you know, and the hit on Trevor
last year. The Jaguars have a lot of reasons to
be emotional and to play hard, But the most important one, John,
is they have an opportunity to go to and one
and to make the Texans oho and three, and that
(08:05):
is all that matters this week.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yet I'm not gonna dwell on the hit. That's gonna
be a topic enough as we move forward. But the
Texans are a team that likes to try to intimidate
under Amico Ryans, They're a physical team. They'll push this week.
I believe the Jaguars will push back.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Let's see, all right, say with Heren Jagzam, we're gonna
talk more about what's coming up the rest of the week.
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Speaker 1 (08:53):
This welcome back to jag Zam. This morning.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We're to talk a little this or that as we're
looking ahead to that divisual matchup against the Texans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What we might see out of the offense.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
A little bit because we saw some two kind of
two players kind of jumped out to me a little
bit in terms of getting extra playing time. We'll start
out with facial Tuton, obviously the traded tank Bigsby to
the Eagles last week, and then Tooton got some increase
in carries and he certainly took advantage of that.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Do we think that I'll keep increasing every week?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Do we think it'll be a slow Maybe later in
the season we'll kind of take over. You think it's
always going to be half and half with the etend.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I think it's going to reach that point where it's
happened half with him in ETN because I think gets
clear that the young legs are dynamic and he is
a playmaker.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
And this coaching staff loves him, and Etn.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Just keeps performing at a level. There's no reason to
not have him on the field as well. These guys
take a lot of hits. Running back careers are notoriously
short because of all the abuse that they take. So
why not go fifty to fifty if that's what Tuton
has earned At this point it looked like he had
earned it last Sunday and since Mattie John and you know,
(10:02):
I mean, maybe it's forty five forty five and then
ten percent for laquint Allen because he brings you something.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
To Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think they're I
don't want to say they're gonna work or they're gonna
have to work to keep Touton off the field, because
I don't think they want to and I don't think
they want to work to keep these guys on the field.
Tuton has shown there's gonna be a time in the
next eighteen twenty four months for this franchise where I
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think this kid's the guy, and he's shown speed, he's
shown pretty remarkable balance and toughness. I think it's really
it's a testament to how well Etn's played that Tutan's
not already starting though, because they believe he has that
kind of ability, And Travis has just earned the right
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to still be playing because he's playing so well. It's
an unbelievable good situation running back.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Pardon me, I think I believe that that will continue
because Etn's playing for his future, which is like plead
to be somewhere else on the fifth year option this year.
So as long as you have a player who's so
motivated to keep playing at a high level, I think
it benefits everybody to just keep giving.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Them both reps.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I know John kind of predicted the ETN breakout, but
it's been nice to see the team as a whole
talk about, you know, focusing on the run but really
embracing it and so forth. And so what we talked
about just Liam Collen coaching the run and kind of
the plays and how he's involving the running backs and everything.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's making them so much more dynamic.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I thought ETM was the best player on the field
for most of training camp, and I'm not surprised that he's.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Able to carry it through. But it doesn't always happen
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Let's talk about another really good training camp performance and
also now we're seeing in the regular season Parker Washington
probably had the best training camp of that maybe anybody
who saw on offense. And you know, when his number
is called, it's not called a lot, but he comes
through on the offense making some tremendous catches against the Bengals, John,
is it time to find more time for him?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Or yes?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Passin how do you do it? And the only reason
he hasn't played more is because it's been so hard.
You have three talented guys in that lineup in front
of him. But he was remarkable the other day and
run after the catch, the catch he made down near
I'm gonna say it's a fifteen yard line. You know,
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I'm going very high point of the ball. That's as
good as catch outside Evan Ingram's catch against Green Bay
last year in the end zone. He read to remembers
that was an unbelievable catch. Yes, he's going to play
a lot more. He's earned it, and frankly, they're a
better team when he's in the game then maybe the
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other any of the other three receivers right now. So
he has to play.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Football is a meritocracy. You earn your time by what
you do. And if Diammy Brown drops passes in the
end zone, Parker Washington is going to get his opportunity
to play. If Brian Thomas Junior can't make key catches
like fourth down in the final couple of minutes, then
Parker Washington's going to get his chances. And I'll use
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an example because you both there and he saw it.
Parker Washington made a big debut in Cleveland in twenty
twenty three. You remember that game, and he made a
couple of spectacular catchers like wow. Well, he just he
had to develop some more and become more consistent. But
we've seen this from them all throughout training camp and
then hop about last week. I mean, Parker Washington's won
five foot seven and he went up over a six weight.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
He's tall five foot seven, but I get your point.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
But he's but he's sort of a Maurice Jones drew.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He's not much taller than five foot seven, and he
went up over the much taller player and just snatched
the ball away. Well, that's skill, that's that's that's talent,
that strength, and that's want to that's drive. He wanted
to make that play and be the best, and I
think that's such a good example for Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
And here's also the thing that I'm sure is happening,
and Trevor would never say it. He's gotta have more
trust in Parker Washington right now than Diame and Brian
Thomas Junior. I'm not trying to criticize those two, but
every time he throws the ball to park or something
good happens, when you're under fire in the pocket, you
naturally start going to that guy.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think we'll see more of it as well. So
coming up after break, we'll talk a little bit about
what's been going on around the division and the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (14:28):
Welcome back because we're gonna talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
About the NFL and the AFC South as well, but
talk about that injury Goughburrow saw him leave in the
second quarter of the game against the Jaguars. This weekend
and now confirmed information he's gonna have to get surgery
on his foot's turf toe and he could be out
three months, which is Jake Browning came back and got
the win for his team. So I don't know if
they're gonna go that rout or they're gonna bring someone
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else in. But it's tough to see, and I don't
like to see when some of the best quarterbacks in
the league are hurt because for some of the most
dynamic players to watch and it kind of stakes.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And last week we have talked up to tell us
what a great guy he was with the leader.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
This is his third major injury in six seasons.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I think he had a shoulder and I know we
hit the ACL back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He is a great player and with.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Those receivers, they're a contender when he's on the field
and healthy. The problem is they haven't been able to
be all together on the field and healthy.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Yeah this pass now, I mean, I think I'll stick
with brown because they did a couple of years back.
They're two in a out three minds spare as twelve
games when Jake was in there before he had him
in five hundred, so they go eight and six. They
still stay in this thing, which Jake Brown. I think
they think Jake Brown can do that because guess what,
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they have maybe the best receiver in the NFL and
another great player on the other side.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
We saw the other day.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
They can get teams. If a team doesn't get away
from them, those guys can make enough place to keep
the Bengals in it. They'll be interesting to watch because
they don't back down when Burrow's out.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
The problem that they're going to have is that their
offensive line is clearly not good enough.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It hasn't been for a while, No.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It hasn't guy and their defensive line the interior doesn't
appear to be either. And Trey Hendrickson can do a lot,
but he can't put his hand on the ground and
playing a three technique, Well, he could, but you don't
want to do that with him.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So they've got some holes there.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And in the NFC or a part of the AFC
North where you've got Pittsburgh in Baltimore, it's gonna be
tough to stay in contention.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Let's check in around the division. The Texans were on
Monday Night Football last night and lost at the last
second to the Bucks, and now the Texans are zero
to two coming in here this week.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
John, Yeah, and from the Jags perspective, the Colts are
dangerous and no only mentioned them because they're in first place.
So by not talking about them and this, I'm not
ignoring the Colts. But if you think the Texans are
the are the division favorite, which I still kind of do,
then getting them in a hole on Sunday would be
a major deal. They've lost to two good teams, so
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let's not write them off. The Rams are good and
the Bucks are sort of sneaky.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Good, so.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
They have holes clearly the Texans do, but they're gonna
be a hard out Sunday because of desperate team Sindra agree.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think the difference between the Jaguars and the Texans
in the last couple of years has been more from
an attitude perspective, right, the way that they played the game,
the confidence they had in themselves, their quarterback and their coach,
and they were a resilient ball club.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
And John said that they like to play bullyball. They
like to beat you up. Well, that's the.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Way that Liam Cohen and Tony Bisselli and James Gladstone
have built this team, so I expect the Jaguars to
understand the circumstances on Sunday and come out and match
that bully attitude with one of their own. And I
don't think that the Texans are that much better than
this football team, but they've won the last two division titles,
so a nod to them.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Definitely one of the matchups I'm most looking forward to,
just because of that mentality, to kind of see how they.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Match up tests to establish if this team thinks it's physical,
then they want to be the most physical, tough team
in the division. They've got to show the Texans that
they're that tough.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I would like them to find where zero is and
run right at him over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It run and run it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Let's go to the leaders of the division now, right
now though the Colts. They are two to zero after
some dramatics at the end of their game against the Broncos, and.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna give them too
much props. But Indiana Jones is a great nickname, and
Daniel Jones has really been doing something there. John's we
never feel like they're out of the mix totally. It's
almost one of those teams where it depends what time
of the year we play them what they're going to
look like. But with Daniel Jones, it seems to be
working right now.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
But they're a good roster and they obviously have a great, great,
great running back. Their issue, ever since Luck got hurt,
has been the constant search for the right guy to
elevate what has always been at least a decent roster
around the quarterback. I don't know that Daniel Jones is
a Pro Bowl player. He has unbelievable numbers this year.
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I don't know he's a Pro Bowl guy. He might be,
but it certainly Brian seems like he's at least a
guy who can have that team functioning. To me, they're
dangerous because of that. I mean, you're two and zero, Yeah,
it takes a while to dip back to the pack.
So they're dangerous and you've got to go beat him.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He's the latest version of Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold,
former high pick that has to go to another team.
This is his third team now because remember he signed
with Minnesota last year after the Giants let him go.
I think Jonathan Taylor is the second best running back
in the league. Saquon Barkley is obviously number one, but
Jonathan Taylor when he's been healthy, and that's been the
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key John is he hasn't been able to stay healthy.
He's had a foot or ankle injury that has slowed
him down the last two years. But I mean, he
was the league's leading rusher a few years ago, almost
two thousand yards. Now that he's got a quarterback, he's
even more dangerous. I didn't think that this roster was
very good, but with Daniel Jones unpacking, unlocking Jonathan Taylor,
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all of a sudden, guys who were kind of okay
are all of a sudden playing at a much higher level.
But I think Daniel Jones was that guy, the key
to getting this team going, and they are very dangerous
as long as Jonathan Taylor stays healthy.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yeah, Taylor's also that guy at running back. Cawk is ticking,
but right now he's at a peak of ability. Yep,
still in his prime and now the experience, so he's
right at that sweet spot of being absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
If they can keep him healthy, they're going to be
a really big problem in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Will be interesting because the jagson't actually play them. They
played them pretty close back to back, not quite back
to back, but much much later in the season. So
we'll see how this kind of progresses for them from
Afar until we get to play him a couple of times.
Stay with us here, We'll tell you what's going on
the rest of the week and wait coming forward to
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Speaker 5 (21:10):
We've we've all got most lay here and there. This
game all right, it's on all of us. Move on,
wats it? We're fine. I gotta get you guys that
can on that hold the line. I gotta signal it,
make sure we're lined up legal. Two plays in a
road there, we'll messed up, you guys sitting there. Of that,
I'll do my job. You guys watch after all that,
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After all that, we've still got plice.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
On that they have not stopped yet.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
And remember the details. They will not be able to.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Three.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It was just like me and the commercial break guys.
You gotta all be on the same page hyping you up.
That's nice to see you guys. All the mistakes, No, no, no,
we're all together.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
John's all of us.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We got the that's Cary Lawns on the sideline, Robert
Hainsey as well to your Captain's there. Micd up is
going to be released tomorrow night or miked u might
already be out. Sounds of game will be released tomorrow night,
and it's nice to see a little bit. We also
put out the postgame locker room from the loss, which
is something we haven't done before and I don't see
a ton of around the league as well, and it
was very interesting to kind of see that perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
What do we talk about, you know on Monday and
drags wart. How radically transparent this head coach is. I mean,
he holds nothing back and it is so amazing to
have that because, as you mentioned, very few people do.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I think it tells a great story.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
They're doing things the right way. And when you do
things the right way, you don't mind who sees it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Absolutely. Who you guys talking to this week? What are
you looking forward to?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I'm talking to one of the team captains Robert Hainsey.
I'm looking forward to that. I don't know him very well.
He's been impressive as he's come in elected captain his
first year, in his relationship with Liam Cohen and how
he has sort of been the leader of transition or
one of the leaders in this transition.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
He's a cool story.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I'm gonna talk with Matt Edwards, the defensive line coach.
Obviously it's a big challenge this week, and I also
want to check down Parker Washington, getting his thoughts on
being a guy that Trevor console.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Absolutely, I'm checking in with another captain. I'm gonna be
off the field with Jordan Lewis this week, who is
on the ozone podcast and he's just a really interesting guy,
so I think that'll be fun as well. Of course,
we'll be back on Jags Am tomorrow. We're gonna do
a deep dive. I'll tell you all about the Texans
and what to expect in the matchup.
Welcome to Jack Zama.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
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with me this morning as we get ready for a
Week three matchup with the Texans. We're gonna go over
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
So big thing number one is aggressive, not reckless.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
After the game against the Bengals, head coach n and
Cohen very adamant about going for it on fourth down
in Bengals territory rather than taking the field goal when they.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Had a three point lead.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
He said analytics said so, and that it's always.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
A go for him.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
He elaborated further on Monday about why he is always
going to be aggressive with his team.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, that was a combination of data and gut where
you're saying, okay, who's on the other side, other quarterback,
your opposing quarterback on the road, you know, to go
up six there that we've watched that scenario play out
too many times in my game management meeting for me
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to not feel one hundred percent confident with that decision.
You watch so many opportunities where you do that, you take,
you go up six, you kick it off. They get
the ball at the plus thirty to thirty five yard line,
and now their mindset is touchdown, and so you go
down and they go down and score, and you lose
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by one point. You guys would all be killing me
today anyway. So at the end of the day, I
want to be aggressive and give ourselves a chance to
go close games out on our terms.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Jegglers weren't able to convert that fourth down, so obviously
questions arise Brian when they lose a game like that,
But he mentions, you know, analytics part of it, part
of it's what the.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Feeling of the game is. But reiterating that he wants
to seem to be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
At all times, Well, it was some questions rochecard because
people just aren't used to that sort of aggressiveness. They're
used to the conventional way of doing things. And he
told us on the first drive of the season, when
he went for it on fourth and one inside his own.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Forty yard line, that he was going to be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He wants to trust his team and he wants his
team to trust him. When John he decided he was
going to do it.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I went, Wow.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But when you just took a minute to think about it,
what he just explained, it made a lot of sense.
And he had confidence in your defense. You had them
backed up with a backup quarterback. They did get them
to fourth down a couple of times. I love the
aggressiveness and I love the fact that this guy, as
his team improves, it's only going to take chances more often.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Do you remember the hue and cry and the outcry
when he went for it on fourth and one in
the opener? No, because it worked. I mean, and that's
what happens. I the old school guy. I even said,
he KaiA said this is a bad decision when he
did it.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But that's the old school guy.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
And I stepped back, and I realize the NFL these days,
more and more, you assume the other team in that
situation thirty five forty yard line late in the game,
as he said, with the mindset of going for it
means they're playing four downs. This is the way they
play football in the NFL. Now, he's going to be aggressive.
He's always going to do it. I've got a lot
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of ozone questions, Brian, and a lot of debate.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You can end the debate. It's what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Listen, if Brian Thomas Junior catches the ball again, there's
no debate about it at all.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
He called the right play.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Kai he had it dialed up perfectly, and the quarterback
put the ball there. Brian just didn't catch it. And
I don't want to beat that horse because I know
we're going to talk about that plenty, But the reality
of it is is he made the right decision and
he called the right play.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It's just now about.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Execution, Yes, all about execution. Some changes here in Jacksonville.
So it's nice to see and know what we're going
to see going forward. Our second big thing today is
going to be communications. Communication is key always, but a
little talk being made of the reaction between head coach
Dan Cohen and quarterback Trebor Lawrence going back and forth
on the sideline during the game.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Now both of.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Them kind of reiterating it wasn't that big.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Of a deal, but also Coan talked about it on Monday.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, it gets made to be a thing that obviously,
you know, in the in this rat poison world we
live in, but uh, it's you know, it's the it's emotional.
It's an emotional game. It's a competitive game. We're all competitive,
We're all emotional. I can control mind better, and uh,
you know, he was just telling me to like move on.
(04:30):
You know, he wasn't telling me to go screw. It's
just saying, dude, move on, you know, like come on, guys,
like it's uh, but yeah, to answer your to answer
your question.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Ryan it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I was very pleased with the way he you know,
he showed something, you know, he did got ticked off
at times. He had great dialogue with his teammates on
the sidelines. He made some huge throws for us and
critical moments and if anything, I was extremely coouraged with
with Trevor post games.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
John, We've got a rat poison mention a lah Nick Saban,
so that's always fun. But talking about that relationship, this
is a different coaching style for Trevor.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think it might be good for him.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, look that's all real.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I mean now what Liam was saying, and a goat
to some people over the time he's been here. He
has a very unique way of holding players accountable. His
communication with players, He's gonna get in their face, He's
going to be emotional with him. But at the same time,
when he does that, he has a way that they
know they support that, they know he supports them. It's
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a different kind of style than I've been around. But
the players respond to it. They trust it. I think
Trevor Lawrence trusts that they can have that sort of interaction,
and so does Liam. And it not have ramifications. This
is a story because rat poison, whatever, because this thing
turns into a story, but it's not an issue within
these walls.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
It's a game of emotion and of human confrontation.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
I loved it because I think that we need a
bit of that. You know, the coach is passionate and
Trevor Lords is decidedly dispassionate. You know, when he's out
there playing football, he isn't ruled by his emotions, and
so to have a coach who is the opposite end,
there's a balancing effect here, and I think that'll be
good for both of them. Plus, it's drama and football
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is entertainment and it drives viewership and people are interested.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
We're still talking about.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It, but overall, bottom line, I really believe that this
will be good for both men.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Okay, I can't tell you the number of times I've
heard in the last month they're coaching Trevor really hard
because he's learning new things, adapting to a system. He's
being coached differently than ever before. The number of times
that I've heard they are ecstatic with how he's taken
that coaching. So again, this is a thing because these
things become a thing in social media e. It's not
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thing inside the walls.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I was gonna say, I think Trevor's really taken to
it as well, at least from what we've seen the
first couple of weeks and through training camp. So our
final big thing today is gonna be Texans time, because
before we know it's going to be Texans time here.
The Texans are returning to be the first divisional.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Matchup so far for the Jags.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
We've seen a lot so far from what this new
regime is going to look like, Brian, but these games
are important.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So what are we gonna see against the textim?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
You know, Kay, Just to give her what a history lesson.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
The Texans came in here as an expansion team in
two thousand and two and beat the Jaguars, and ever
since then they have had the upper hand and it
felt like in twenty twenty two that the Jaguars had
turned the corner and they were ready to sort of
sit atop the division in the South like they never had.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
And yet here comes c. J.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Stroud, who's won three of four against the Jaguars over
the last two years. And then you have the move
with the linebacker you know, and the hit on Trevor
last year. The Jaguars have a lot of reasons to
be emotional and to play hard, But the most important one, John,
is they have an opportunity to go to and one
and to make the Texans oho and three, and that
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is all that matters this week.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yet I'm not gonna dwell on the hit. That's gonna
be a topic enough as we move forward. But the
Texans are a team that likes to try to intimidate
under Amico Ryans, They're a physical team. They'll push this week.
I believe the Jaguars will push back.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Let's see, all right, say with Heren Jagzam, we're gonna
talk more about what's coming up the rest of the week.
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Speaker 1 (08:53):
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Speaker 2 (08:56):
We're to talk a little this or that as we're
looking ahead to that divisual matchup against the Texans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What we might see out of the offense.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
A little bit because we saw some two kind of
two players kind of jumped out to me a little
bit in terms of getting extra playing time. We'll start
out with facial Tuton, obviously the traded tank Bigsby to
the Eagles last week, and then Tooton got some increase
in carries and he certainly took advantage of that.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Do we think that I'll keep increasing every week?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Do we think it'll be a slow Maybe later in
the season we'll kind of take over. You think it's
always going to be half and half with the etend.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I think it's going to reach that point where it's
happened half with him in ETN because I think gets
clear that the young legs are dynamic and he is
a playmaker.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
And this coaching staff loves him, and Etn.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Just keeps performing at a level. There's no reason to
not have him on the field as well. These guys
take a lot of hits. Running back careers are notoriously
short because of all the abuse that they take. So
why not go fifty to fifty if that's what Tuton
has earned At this point it looked like he had
earned it last Sunday and since Mattie John and you know,
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I mean, maybe it's forty five forty five and then
ten percent for laquint Allen because he brings you something.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
To Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think they're I
don't want to say they're gonna work or they're gonna
have to work to keep Touton off the field, because
I don't think they want to and I don't think
they want to work to keep these guys on the field.
Tuton has shown there's gonna be a time in the
next eighteen twenty four months for this franchise where I
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think this kid's the guy, and he's shown speed, he's
shown pretty remarkable balance and toughness. I think it's really
it's a testament to how well Etn's played that Tutan's
not already starting though, because they believe he has that
kind of ability, And Travis has just earned the right
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to still be playing because he's playing so well. It's
an unbelievable good situation running back.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Pardon me, I think I believe that that will continue
because Etn's playing for his future, which is like plead
to be somewhere else on the fifth year option this year.
So as long as you have a player who's so
motivated to keep playing at a high level, I think
it benefits everybody to just keep giving.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Them both reps.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I know John kind of predicted the ETN breakout, but
it's been nice to see the team as a whole
talk about, you know, focusing on the run but really
embracing it and so forth. And so what we talked
about just Liam Collen coaching the run and kind of
the plays and how he's involving the running backs and everything.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's making them so much more dynamic.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I thought ETM was the best player on the field
for most of training camp, and I'm not surprised that he's.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Able to carry it through. But it doesn't always happen
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Let's talk about another really good training camp performance and
also now we're seeing in the regular season Parker Washington
probably had the best training camp of that maybe anybody
who saw on offense. And you know, when his number
is called, it's not called a lot, but he comes
through on the offense making some tremendous catches against the Bengals, John,
is it time to find more time for him?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Or yes?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Passin how do you do it? And the only reason
he hasn't played more is because it's been so hard.
You have three talented guys in that lineup in front
of him. But he was remarkable the other day and
run after the catch, the catch he made down near
I'm gonna say it's a fifteen yard line. You know,
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I'm going very high point of the ball. That's as
good as catch outside Evan Ingram's catch against Green Bay
last year in the end zone. He read to remembers
that was an unbelievable catch. Yes, he's going to play
a lot more. He's earned it, and frankly, they're a
better team when he's in the game then maybe the
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other any of the other three receivers right now. So
he has to play.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Football is a meritocracy. You earn your time by what
you do. And if Diammy Brown drops passes in the
end zone, Parker Washington is going to get his opportunity
to play. If Brian Thomas Junior can't make key catches
like fourth down in the final couple of minutes, then
Parker Washington's going to get his chances. And I'll use
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an example because you both there and he saw it.
Parker Washington made a big debut in Cleveland in twenty
twenty three. You remember that game, and he made a
couple of spectacular catchers like wow. Well, he just he
had to develop some more and become more consistent. But
we've seen this from them all throughout training camp and
then hop about last week. I mean, Parker Washington's won
five foot seven and he went up over a six weight.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
He's tall five foot seven, but I get your point.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
But he's but he's sort of a Maurice Jones drew.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He's not much taller than five foot seven, and he
went up over the much taller player and just snatched
the ball away. Well, that's skill, that's that's that's talent,
that strength, and that's want to that's drive. He wanted
to make that play and be the best, and I
think that's such a good example for Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
And here's also the thing that I'm sure is happening,
and Trevor would never say it. He's gotta have more
trust in Parker Washington right now than Diame and Brian
Thomas Junior. I'm not trying to criticize those two, but
every time he throws the ball to park or something
good happens, when you're under fire in the pocket, you
naturally start going to that guy.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think we'll see more of it as well. So
coming up after break, we'll talk a little bit about
what's been going on around the division and the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (14:28):
Welcome back because we're gonna talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
About the NFL and the AFC South as well, but
talk about that injury Goughburrow saw him leave in the
second quarter of the game against the Jaguars. This weekend
and now confirmed information he's gonna have to get surgery
on his foot's turf toe and he could be out
three months, which is Jake Browning came back and got
the win for his team. So I don't know if
they're gonna go that rout or they're gonna bring someone
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else in. But it's tough to see, and I don't
like to see when some of the best quarterbacks in
the league are hurt because for some of the most
dynamic players to watch and it kind of stakes.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And last week we have talked up to tell us
what a great guy he was with the leader.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
This is his third major injury in six seasons.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I think he had a shoulder and I know we
hit the ACL back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He is a great player and with.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Those receivers, they're a contender when he's on the field
and healthy. The problem is they haven't been able to
be all together on the field and healthy.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Yeah this pass now, I mean, I think I'll stick
with brown because they did a couple of years back.
They're two in a out three minds spare as twelve
games when Jake was in there before he had him
in five hundred, so they go eight and six. They
still stay in this thing, which Jake Brown. I think
they think Jake Brown can do that because guess what,
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they have maybe the best receiver in the NFL and
another great player on the other side.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
We saw the other day.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
They can get teams. If a team doesn't get away
from them, those guys can make enough place to keep
the Bengals in it. They'll be interesting to watch because
they don't back down when Burrow's out.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
The problem that they're going to have is that their
offensive line is clearly not good enough.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It hasn't been for a while, No.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It hasn't guy and their defensive line the interior doesn't
appear to be either. And Trey Hendrickson can do a lot,
but he can't put his hand on the ground and
playing a three technique, Well, he could, but you don't
want to do that with him.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So they've got some holes there.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And in the NFC or a part of the AFC
North where you've got Pittsburgh in Baltimore, it's gonna be
tough to stay in contention.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Let's check in around the division. The Texans were on
Monday Night Football last night and lost at the last
second to the Bucks, and now the Texans are zero
to two coming in here this week.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
John, Yeah, and from the Jags perspective, the Colts are
dangerous and no only mentioned them because they're in first place.
So by not talking about them and this, I'm not
ignoring the Colts. But if you think the Texans are
the are the division favorite, which I still kind of do,
then getting them in a hole on Sunday would be
a major deal. They've lost to two good teams, so
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let's not write them off. The Rams are good and
the Bucks are sort of sneaky.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Good, so.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
They have holes clearly the Texans do, but they're gonna
be a hard out Sunday because of desperate team Sindra agree.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think the difference between the Jaguars and the Texans
in the last couple of years has been more from
an attitude perspective, right, the way that they played the game,
the confidence they had in themselves, their quarterback and their coach,
and they were a resilient ball club.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
And John said that they like to play bullyball. They
like to beat you up. Well, that's the.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Way that Liam Cohen and Tony Bisselli and James Gladstone
have built this team, so I expect the Jaguars to
understand the circumstances on Sunday and come out and match
that bully attitude with one of their own. And I
don't think that the Texans are that much better than
this football team, but they've won the last two division titles,
so a nod to them.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Definitely one of the matchups I'm most looking forward to,
just because of that mentality, to kind of see how they.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Match up tests to establish if this team thinks it's physical,
then they want to be the most physical, tough team
in the division. They've got to show the Texans that
they're that tough.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I would like them to find where zero is and
run right at him over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It run and run it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Let's go to the leaders of the division now, right
now though the Colts. They are two to zero after
some dramatics at the end of their game against the Broncos, and.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna give them too
much props. But Indiana Jones is a great nickname, and
Daniel Jones has really been doing something there. John's we
never feel like they're out of the mix totally. It's
almost one of those teams where it depends what time
of the year we play them what they're going to
look like. But with Daniel Jones, it seems to be
working right now.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
But they're a good roster and they obviously have a great, great,
great running back. Their issue, ever since Luck got hurt,
has been the constant search for the right guy to
elevate what has always been at least a decent roster
around the quarterback. I don't know that Daniel Jones is
a Pro Bowl player. He has unbelievable numbers this year.
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I don't know he's a Pro Bowl guy. He might be,
but it certainly Brian seems like he's at least a
guy who can have that team functioning. To me, they're
dangerous because of that. I mean, you're two and zero, Yeah,
it takes a while to dip back to the pack.
So they're dangerous and you've got to go beat him.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He's the latest version of Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold,
former high pick that has to go to another team.
This is his third team now because remember he signed
with Minnesota last year after the Giants let him go.
I think Jonathan Taylor is the second best running back
in the league. Saquon Barkley is obviously number one, but
Jonathan Taylor when he's been healthy, and that's been the
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key John is he hasn't been able to stay healthy.
He's had a foot or ankle injury that has slowed
him down the last two years. But I mean, he
was the league's leading rusher a few years ago, almost
two thousand yards. Now that he's got a quarterback, he's
even more dangerous. I didn't think that this roster was
very good, but with Daniel Jones unpacking, unlocking Jonathan Taylor,
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all of a sudden, guys who were kind of okay
are all of a sudden playing at a much higher level.
But I think Daniel Jones was that guy, the key
to getting this team going, and they are very dangerous
as long as Jonathan Taylor stays healthy.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yeah, Taylor's also that guy at running back. Cawk is ticking,
but right now he's at a peak of ability. Yep,
still in his prime and now the experience, so he's
right at that sweet spot of being absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
If they can keep him healthy, they're going to be
a really big problem in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Will be interesting because the jagson't actually play them. They
played them pretty close back to back, not quite back
to back, but much much later in the season. So
we'll see how this kind of progresses for them from
Afar until we get to play him a couple of times.
Stay with us here, We'll tell you what's going on
the rest of the week and wait coming forward to
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Speaker 5 (21:10):
We've we've all got most lay here and there. This
game all right, it's on all of us. Move on,
wats it? We're fine. I gotta get you guys that
can on that hold the line. I gotta signal it,
make sure we're lined up legal. Two plays in a
road there, we'll messed up, you guys sitting there. Of that,
I'll do my job. You guys watch after all that,
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After all that, we've still got plice.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
On that they have not stopped yet.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
And remember the details. They will not be able to.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Three.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It was just like me and the commercial break guys.
You gotta all be on the same page hyping you up.
That's nice to see you guys. All the mistakes, No, no, no,
we're all together.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
John's all of us.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We got the that's Cary Lawns on the sideline, Robert
Hainsey as well to your Captain's there. Micd up is
going to be released tomorrow night or miked u might
already be out. Sounds of game will be released tomorrow night,
and it's nice to see a little bit. We also
put out the postgame locker room from the loss, which
is something we haven't done before and I don't see
a ton of around the league as well, and it
was very interesting to kind of see that perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
What do we talk about, you know on Monday and
drags wart. How radically transparent this head coach is. I mean,
he holds nothing back and it is so amazing to
have that because, as you mentioned, very few people do.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I think it tells a great story.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
They're doing things the right way. And when you do
things the right way, you don't mind who sees it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Absolutely. Who you guys talking to this week? What are
you looking forward to?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I'm talking to one of the team captains Robert Hainsey.
I'm looking forward to that. I don't know him very well.
He's been impressive as he's come in elected captain his
first year, in his relationship with Liam Cohen and how
he has sort of been the leader of transition or
one of the leaders in this transition.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
He's a cool story.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I'm gonna talk with Matt Edwards, the defensive line coach.
Obviously it's a big challenge this week, and I also
want to check down Parker Washington, getting his thoughts on
being a guy that Trevor console.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Absolutely, I'm checking in with another captain. I'm gonna be
off the field with Jordan Lewis this week, who is
on the ozone podcast and he's just a really interesting guy,
so I think that'll be fun as well. Of course,
we'll be back on Jags Am tomorrow. We're gonna do
a deep dive. I'll tell you all about the Texans
and what to expect in the matchup.
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