October 15, 2025 • 29 mins
Kainani Stevens, John Oesher and Brian Sexton are live from the UK to preview the matchup against the Rams at Wembley Stadium in Week 7 of the 2025 NFL Season. The crew takes stock of the offensive line, analyzes the threat presented by the Rams, and assesses the performances so far by AFC South division rivals. This and more on Jags A.M., presented by Jet Home Loans.
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to jack zam Ka, Nannie Stevens here, Brian Sexton,
John Oser coming to you live from Hertfordshire, England. Good
morning to those in Jacksonville. Afternoon here in the UK.
But we're getting ready for another London matchup at Wembley,
so we're going to get into our big things for
you today, brought to you by GEAJ Government Employees Health Association.
The first big thing is away we go, because the
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way we go. We left early this week to get
out here practice early. It's a little bit different than
traditionally maybe the team has done at certain points. We've
been playing two games here in London the past couple
of years. But Liam Cohen talked a little bit about
what went into the decision making.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It was just something that when we talked about in
the off season that this could be a possible opportunity
for a new everything to maybe be together for an
extended period of time. It just so happens. I told
the team that what a perfect time for this to
come up, that we're coming off of a tough loss
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and we've got to face a little adversity as a team. Well,
now we're together for an extended period of time in
a new setting, in a different place. Obviously, this organization
has had a lot of familiarity with making this trip
and I think our ops travel, everybody that is involved
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in it is you know, really gets it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So obviously the location isn't new. We stay at the
Grove every year, but coming early, I know the team
has done both throughout the years. Brian but Lia Cohen said,
you know that when they went through all the logistics,
they wanted to kind of get out here early, get established,
and take the time delay out of it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But two things stand out.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
When they would go on Thursday night, land on Friday
practice and practice Saturday, they talked about getting you know
that feeling back, feeling.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Good on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Obviously, coming early gives you a chance to feel good
by the time you get to the practice field a
little bit later today. And the other thing is, and
you guys probably notice this too. You know, we get
going through training camp in the preseason and there's people
that we don't know all that well that we haven't
met on a new staff, players and support staff, and
you know, at breakfast this morning, I was talking to
somebody that I had really never.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Talked to or met didn't know what they did.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
So there's something to that waking up and walking down
to breakfast and saying good morning where you normally wouldn't
and being around people and getting to know them a
little bit better. And when you consider we're in week
seven of this brand new program, there's some value to that.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, nobody will tell you that it's not a good
camaraderie experience for the team. The only way it wouldn't
be is that they didn't like each other, and you
don't get this idea from this team at all. I
think Liam also this week, really wants to take some
time in practice and really work on the penalties, really
emphasize that. I don't know how much it's gonna be
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emphasized when you're sitting around the rooms talking to each other,
but having everybody in one place, one focus, maybe a
touch of a training camp feel, maybe the message will
be a little more received on that front as well.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's like a big thing today is staying put because
while the team traveled on an overnight flight on Monday,
Devin Lloyd, who was dealing with a calf injury, didn't
make the trip out here, which obviously has been having
a tremendous beginning to this season. John, when you're looking
at you know, even when he wasn't able to play
against the Seahawks, it was noted when he wasn't out
there is this concern long term.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, I don't think it's a concern long term. I
think what you're looking at. And Brian, you and I
thank you talking about earlier in the week. Now you're
Devin Lloyd down, Written Strange down, Quinton Morris, who's the
backup tight end. You're sort of maybe still down tra
Trayvon Walker full effectiveness, you were down Robert Hainsey the
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other night. And I know it's questions ago about Devin. Sorry,
but you're in a situation where that's four or five
key guys that aren't going one hundred percent. Uh, this
is next men up and they've really got a play
well to get to the buy somehow get through this one,
get some of these guys back. But they're down some
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core guys right now.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, let me in just to see where Hainesy is.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Obviously we heard good things about what Jodan Bnheim did
last week, but Hainsey, you just get the sense he
would have been an addition because of his knowledge of
the offense. Again, especially against a team like Seattle that
plit so much. In the case of Devin Lloyd, you
talked about your playmaker on defense and five takeaways. Ventro
Miller comes in and he's very good against the run.
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There's no drop off, But he's not going to be
the guy who gets your sacks in interceptions and forced
fumbles and things like that. I mean, maybe he grabs
one or two, he's not the same way. You know,
you look at a team like San Francisco and they
lose Nick Bosa early, and they lost Fred Warner this week,
do you have any doubt that they'll find a way
to stay relevant or to play well.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That's what this team has to do.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
They've got to play well and execute their assignment and
find a way, as John mentioned, just to get to
the bye week.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And except for Lloyd, really talking about some guys who
are sort of subtly very you know, I think Trayvon's
the best player on defense, and I think Brent Strange
is the best player on offense. But nationally people don't
look at them and say, oh, the Jaguars are really
injured because having those two guys down, plus your playmaker
Devin plus Hainsey, this is the attrition time and after
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this week if they win, what's ever being to say, Oh,
the buy is coming in a good time, right, so
you can get healthy. But they got to get through
this one.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
The other side, what Trayvon is is, you know what,
from what I've been told, that club is going to
be on for a month, which means that by the
time you get to Las Vegas, you know, either side
of the bi week, perhaps he can be working from
a splint, you know, from a brace and get back
to himself. So one more game where it would seem
that he would be limited.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Our final big thing today is going to be making moves.
So that's with a question mark. We don't know if
yet for sure. Obviously James Gladstone not afraid to make
any sort of trade or move in the season. We've
already seen a couple. But Brian, I'm sure you're keeping
track of this. They're making cap space. They're converting a
lot of things into bonuses, restructuring contracts, most recently Greg Newsom.
But they're giving themselves some space to make a move
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by the deadline if they have the ability to get
someone they.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Want newsom Walker, Little Deanmi Brown, three guys that they
massage the contracts to create room because they were up
against it. And I think we've all heard that we
can expect more from Baselli, Gladstone and Colin when it
comes to moves. They're not going to be shy about
going and finding players. And the question everyone has is Okay,
who right? I think for our per it's more what
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what position? Where do they need help? And you'd say
somewhere on the defensive line. I guess you could say
edge as long as Trayvon is out, but you're expecting
to get him back, and tight end you're expecting Brenton
Strange back. But I think you could use it help
at safety and we saw that last week. And I
think you could use help against the run. They're pretty
solid against the run, but you could use someone that
can push the pocket a bit more than we've seen.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, you'd really like to get more push stouter up front.
I think we're back to a little bit where the
edge rushers Trayvon being out hurts, and then really nobody
to take any double team pressure off Josh. Somebody on
the front needs to get more push and I'm always
a little hesitant to say you can go get it.
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You know, they went and got it with Newsome because
they gave up something. How much can you go get
right for the trade line? A trade deadline, I'm always
a little skeptical, but we'll see.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, two weeks until the trade but a little more
than two weeks. Two weeks from Tuesday is the tradeline.
So if there's something that you really feel like you
need coming out of the bye week, now's the time
to go get it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Absolutely, stay with us here on Jagszam. Coming up after
the break, we'll do a little this so that as
we look ahead to the matchup with the Rams on Sunday.
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Speaker 6 (08:38):
I think he's a great player, and he's a young
young kid, but when you talk to him, he doesn't
really seem like a rookie, doesn't talk like a rookie.
He knows the offense really well. Place hard, place stuff
and first start, I mean, hell, he's gonna get He's
gonna get a lot of opportunities in the NFL and
keep rolling, keep getting better. But he's nothing but great
things to say about him. He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
SPATR McCarey weighing in on Jonah Manheim, who got his
first NFL start at center last week, as Robert Hainsey's
dealing with an injury right now, when we look back
at the offensive line, obviously not a great performance as
a group. Most sacks we've seen more than we've seen
the first several weeks before that. But Monheim himself, I
don't know if this is getting help from those around him.
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Didn't have a terrible day. It's just as a group
they really regressed. It Is it just the injuries brand
that's a tough one, or didn't they face a very
good team in Seattle.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
There's a very good team in Seattle. And other than injuries, Kay,
I think we've seen inconsistencies. Right Walker Little has had
a good game and then had a game where you thought,
come on, I mean, why can't we play the same
level every single Sunday? And he's not the only player
that does that. We've seen Ezra Cleveland look strong and
then he had injury, and then he's had some issues
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as well. The change at at center obviously doesn't help.
McCary had the knee, so it kind of plays into it.
You know, the best offensive lineman you've had is Anton Harrison,
and so yeah, I think inconsistency has been the first thing,
and then injuries the second.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Well, I don't think Brenton being out helped. Now obviously
he's not contributing or his absence isn't hurting you with sacks,
but it does hurt you with an option, you know,
to avoid sacks. Anton's been dealing.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
With stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Elbow, ezra is you know, not but McCary, So I
think a little bit of the dealing with things. I
also think if you recall, the Seattle game was the
first time that they were trailing second half, so all
of a sudden, it's the first time they're playing a
really good defensive front and in a situation where that
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really really good defensive front knows you're going to throw.
They got back into the Kansas City game before halftime,
so they never got out of running when they wanted
to run. I think they had a lot to do
with the two and look Trevor held into a couple
of sacks I thought a little bit, So I think
a lot of circumstances. I think they'll be able to
get the offensive line. I don't think you're gonna have
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another seven SAT game, No, but I think it's gonna
have to manufacture good pat I'm not sure it's naturally
a great offensive line. I think it's a good offensive line.
It's gonna have to play well to be good.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You have your hands full this week because Jared verse
Ann Young have been coming off the edge. They're better
edge rushers than we saw last week, and they're pretty
darn could on the inside as well. So you need
a consistent performance. I think you'll get it from Antony Harrison.
You hope that this is a week where you get
it from Walker Little and you you know, you've got
to just keep working those combinations and try to figure.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It out sometimes two in that kind of a game.
When they do get you time, you got to hit
it when it's there. We've seen that before and they
didn't take advantage of the times where you did have
a clean pocket, didn't take advantage of with big plays.
So I think it's going to be incumbent on the
offense to get some point, to get into a rhythm,
get up so that you're not playing against the chains
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the whole. That's the other thing too, right, We didn't
be mentioned seven offensive penalties. Every one of those puts
you in bad down and distance. That's terrible for an
offensive line trying to block for the past.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Still little this or that. I'd love to get your
guys opinions on this. We mentioned both of these guys already.
Robert Hainsey and Brenton Stranger are both dealing with injuries
right now. Brenton we know we'll be out at least
a couple of weeks. Robert Hainsey working on coming back.
But who's the bigger loss right now? Because I feel
like they both play such a crucial role. We've talked
a lot about Brenton's pass catching and blocking is a
huge both of it feels like almost two people have
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to replace him with. But also Hainesy's calming president in
the center position obviously or in the center of the line.
But I feel like the consistency and I think maybe
just mentality is something that was missing as well. Like
I don't think no knock on Manheim whatsoever, but just
the experience and having that in there, which one is
a bigger loss to you? And I guess in terms
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of getting this team back on track on offense.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think it's strange nothing you know, against a Hainsey.
I don't know that the drop off is as big
between Hainsey and Bnheim, who's a talented guy who the
jag Wars really liked coming out of the draft, as
it is between Brenton Strange and Hunter Long. I mean,
Hunter Long has a role on this team, no doubt.
Johnny Munt has some things he can do as well.
But without Breton Strange, it's tight end by committee, Whereas
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with Brenton Strange you've got perhaps the second best tight
end in the league. You know, when you look at
the best all around tight ends in the league, the
first one is Greg Kittle.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm sorry, George Kittle. The next one is Brent Strange.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, and I agree. I think you miss Hainsey a
lot because of the veteran and I'm being able to
get you in the right calls, and he communicates very
well with Trevor, So I think there are some there's
a lot of intangible things physically they don't miss Hainesy
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as much because of Monheim, but Britain Strange is really
good and really high level, and there's nobody on the
roster who can.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Do what he does.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
What could he get him both back?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I like them both, John, I was gonna say as well.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I feel like we've talked a little bit about it,
but the run game was so successful right out of
the gate, and then without Strange in the game, I've
noticed a drop off. And I feel like he played
such a big role in that that maybe you think, oh,
it's mostly the offensive line, but Brent Strange's role in
that was so huge it's been hard to replicate without him.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
For probably since early last year, anybody around here is
told you he's their best run blocker, regardless of position,
and maybe that's changed with some people this year. That
also contributes to the pass protection problems because they're not
as good and reliable a running team without Britain Strange.
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And when you don't run as well and you've got
penalties flying up, then all of a sudden you're in
third and thirteen. Breton Strange creates a lot more The
loss of Breton Strange creates a lot more long down
and distance.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
It all goes together.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
When you lose.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Mayb would tell you Hainsey and Strange or maybe two
of their best three or four offensive players, and when
you lose both of them, you're down a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
You go back to the Texans game and Travis's seventy
yard run, I mean it was it was Strange who
came in with the wham block and sealed that. It
feels like in every game that he played, there was
a block or two that got Travis beyond the line
of scrimmage and got him, you know, one on one
where he could make a move in game, you know,
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thirteen yards or twenty two yards, whatever it was. And
that's been missing without him, because he's that guy who
gets to the second level and makes a key block.
And that's that's what long in month don't necessarily give you.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, think about what the lack of footing, if you will,
you feel like you're on surefoot going out there defensively
when Trayvon's on the field and offensively when Breton's on
the field. When you don't have that, you lose part
of your foundation and really part of your stoutness and toughness.
This wants to be a physical team. Without those two guys,
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they're not as physical a team.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Absolutely, Let's talk.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
A little bit about the Rams of the opponent coming
up obviously very familiar to our new head coach and
our new GM James Gladstone, coming from that organization. Liam
Cohen obviously was there twice two different stints with McVeigh.
When you're playing against a coach or an organization that
you previously worked with and are kind of of the
same tree, do you feel like this is a personal
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I'm curious what you guys think. Do you feel like
it's a pro where it's a con because they almost
know everything, y'all. You know everybody's little secret tricks, what
you're kind of getting into. And then do you try
to outsmart yourself to the point where you're undoing what
you would normally do on game prep?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
My favorite story about this goes all the way back
to Super Bowl fourteen. Bud Carson, who had been the
defensive coordinator for the Steelers for years now, the coach
of the Rams and Terry Bradshaw got to the line
of scrimmage and barked out the first audible, and the
Rams adjusted and Terry called time out and went Chuck
Nolan said, they got him, they got the signals, and
so there is some of that, right, There's that idea
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that Liam understands what the talent looks like and what
they like to do, and that McVeigh can understand what
Liam wants to do based on what they do on Sunday. Personally,
I think it's a pro to have a coach from
the Sean McVay tree. I went and looked between two
thousand and four and twenty sixteen, the Rams had four coaches,
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three interim coaches, and one five hundred season.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's it. Then McVeigh comes in.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
He's in his eighth year and in the previous seven seasons,
John six playoff appearances, two super Bowl appearances, and a
super Bowl championship. Liam was there when they won, and
more importantly, they had one losing season after the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
He was there for that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
So he's seen how McVeigh operates, how he puts the
team together, or how the game plan comes together, how
he adjusted through difficulty. I just think the overall advantage
for the Jaguars is to have a coach from that
Sean McVeagh tree.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, there are coaches who shaped the league. Joe Gibbs
and Bill Walsh did it for a long time, and
everything followed for a long time. Off that Sean McVay
is shaping the league. When you listen to Liam talk offense,
I'm learning things about offensive football that you know, I'm
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not gonna say I thought I knew, but I've never
covered anything from this tree. So a lot of what
I knew before is anticated. What we saw last year
is sort of leaving the league a little bit Andy
Reid's tree, that West Coast tree. It's changed over time,
but it's a Sean McVeigh driven league. Now what does
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that mean for this game? I think it's a little
bit if there's a motivation edge, you know, a score
that for the Jags, And I think it does help
for Liam Cohen to be able to defensively. If they're asking, hey,
why are they doing this, he can tell them necessarily
rams tendencies, but things that that offense does in that situation,
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how Sean thinks. Now, Sean's going to know that. So
that's where the chess game begins. So I think it's
a cool game for that reason. You almost wish it
was in the States, So you've been concentrating on that
more because they called it the North Star. I mean,
this is the first measuring stick against the North Star
for the Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It feels like, I don't know, if you guys know
the Spider Man meme where they all are pointing at
each other, because it's like I know what you know,
but you know what I know, and I'm excited to
see how it plays out. We'll talk a little bit
more exactly about the Rams matchup on tomorrow's show, but
just some food for thought.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, listen, you covered a distinctly different culture than either
one of us have when you were covering the New
England Patriots, and obviously you were with Tony Dungee, so
we all kind of seen different things. This one stands alone,
and if Sean McVay is responsible for the culture that
we're seeing in the building, I mean it feels like
football Heaven.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I mean, these.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Guys are all about the ball and I just like
the way that they do things. And I know they've
got to improve the roster a bit there. There's some
areas they've got to show up. But it just feels
going into this matchup against the North Stars you said,
John like, Liam is really dialed in and really excited
about this.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Absolutely, motivation will be there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
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annual trip to London. We're here at the Grove and
we are going to talk a little bit about what's
been going on in the AFC South. The Texans were off,
so we're skipping them this but the Titans are being
dramatic enough for everybody in the division right now, firing
their head coach Brian Callahan six weeks into this season.
And before we even get into that, I just want
to say when you make changes, obviously Jacksonville's seen a
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ton of changes happen before, but when they make it
kind of piecemeal, I feel like that's what makes it difficult.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
At times.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
In Tennessee, we're seeing just that where you're getting a
new gym, but keeping a coach and then getting rid
of a coach who just drafted a quarterback, and then
you're gonna get a coach in here with a quarterback
that didn't draft. So it's just interesting to watch it
go down in a different way.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Well, so it's Callahan's second season, right, so, and obviously
the Titans said to Burgonzi, Mike Borgnzi, who is the
new general manager, he we'd like to see what he's got.
But Burgunzie came from the Andy Reid Tree, he came
from Kansas City, where he had been for most of
his career, and Brian Callahan came from Zach Taylor, who
came from Sean McVeigh. And sometimes it just it doesn't
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match up. Callahan's a guy who said to be terrific
with quarterbacks. So how much progress did you really expect
in the first six weeks with a roster that wasn't
that good? To your point, Kai, they if they were
going to make the move in week six, they should
have just swept it clean at the beginning of the
year and given Bergonzi a chance to bring in a
guy that fits his persona the team that he wants
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to build with. Chad Brinker, who vice president of football
operations for them, it just started to clean because we
like Mike McCoy. I mean, I think Mike McCoy is
a good coach. He's worked with good quarterbacks Peyton Manning
and Philip Rivers. But now you're putting him in a
position of having to show a lot of progress, and
you're six weeks in and you kind of know what
y'all are at this point.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, it's it doesn't have to be in lockstep. If
if if the people make it work, if your people,
but if it if it's not, it makes it very
tough to get the timing right, especially with the quarterback
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dynamic in the league right now. Meaning now you're five
games in on On not cam Ward, uh, and you're
gonna have an interim coach with cam Ward, and then
next year the storylines up there will be well it's
really his rookie year, you know, and so the time
frame can get away from me. They'll be judging cam
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Ward now next year, well is he a second year quarterback?
Is he a first How much progress? So it has
become a timing league where you almost think you got
to hit reset and hope that you that you get
GM and head coach in a year we had the
right quarterback at the top of the draft. So it'll
be interesting to watch because that's sort of we've seen
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that with Trevor coming up. When they can get in lockst.
It feels like lockstep now, but it took a while.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I asked Liam before the Kansas City game about my
homes and and and the standard for you know, having
that knowledge of the system to be able to make
all the change and how long it takes. And he
went right to Trevor and said, you know this, Trevor's
on his third head coach. He's on his third offensive system.
You got to have consistency. So I guess it depends
on how you look at it. Burgonzi may have known
that he was going to blow this thing up and
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he didn't want too many systems and too much time
to pass. Or you've created a Trevor Lawrence short of
situation here for them now, and we've seen firsthand how
it's taken him through some ups and downs and still
working to get this offense down. So I think they've
lengthened their their timeline with cam Ward, but that may
not matter because the timeline is so long with a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We'll see what it looks like, as this will be
their first week with a different interim coach. Elsewhere, the
Colts are sitting atop the division, and I know we
have talked about this every single week, but they continue
to see success battle back. Got to win over the
Cardinals this week and we don't play them until later
in the season. So a lot of this is just
kind of watching from afar. But John, they're the real deal.
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They're getting their wins up there. It's gonna be hard
to get at if they continue on this pace.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I mean, never want to let a team get too
far away there. The positive for the Jags with the
Colts in first place is if you stay within two,
you're gonna have a chance to reel them back in
really fast. So the division should not get away. The
Colts have not played a great schedule. The counter to
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that is they are running the ball very well, and
Daniel Jones in his first year there is looking consistent
enough that they're five and one, So you start doing math,
it's hard to see them the way they're playing. With
Daniel Jones giving them consisting at quarterback, you would think
they're at least five hundred down the stretch, which puts
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you at eleven and seven or eleven and six whatever.
My math is not great, but somewhere in there. So
it means you've got to win more than that to
catch them. So you don't want to let them get
two or three games up, because then all of a sudden,
every win for you is a holding breath.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't think they're a great team, but I think
playing really good football. Shansteichen has a nose for He
came from Philadelphia for the running game, and I mean,
I've been open about my admiration for Jonathan Taylor, who
I think is just sensational, and now that he has
a legitimate quarterback under center, you have got to be
worried about.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What he can do.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Their defense has not been as good, however, they do
have some talented players. DeForest Butner still can play at
a high level. Latou Latou is a young pass rusher
they drafted last year that they like very much. They're
susceptible at corner, where they had a veteran Xavian Howard
retire suddenly on them. But if Jonathan Taylor's controlling the tempo,
the Colts defense can play with the lead, which they
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have a lot in the first six weeks, and they've
been good. It's a fun dynamic and I think if
the Jaguars can keep within a couple of games, like
John just mentioned, the AFC Souths can have a little
respect running into the month of December and people aren't
just gonna be able to get buy the worst division
than football. Well, what if you've got an honest to
goodness race between a a Colts team and a Jaguars
team and one of them is gonna end up as
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a wildcard if not the division winner, That'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Good for us.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's gonna be fun down the stretch with all the
divisional games the Jaguars have towards back half of the season,
that's for certain.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
That's what's up with the AFC South.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
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today and probably the fanciest press conference area in sports.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
It's one of the fun things about coming here. There
is in a.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Greenhouse over by the practice field. It's just it's different.
I mean everything here is walk through.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
The gardens on the way to the practice field. It's nice.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
We get a little fall out of it. John, This
is like kind of old hat for them at this point.
I know the coaching is new, but just the organizational
how things run over here. Imagine is there a difference
to you with coming early versus coming on a Thursday.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
You're here earlier. I mean, it's I've done a lot
of different ways. I do think the players will be
better adjusted, and I think the positive of the camaraderie thing,
I do think is real. I think people think of
teams as always getting to know each other, and really
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they don't get that chance outside of training camp, because
you come to the facility, Brian, and you're in your
position groups, and you're in your routine, and every day
is sort of the same from the time training camp
in is the very season. So the fact that they're
here and they see each other in the hallway and
it's like, you know, it's like going to basketball camp
when you're.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
A kid, which I used to do.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So there is an element of that that I think
is upon Well, you.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Have that extra time. I mean in the evening when
they're done, they you know, they can go down. I
saw a bunch of guys the other night, you know,
playing cards, right, so they're getting that time together. There
really is something to it, and I do think coming
off the loss, Liam mentioned that in his news conference
on Monday before the team left to come over here
that because of the circumstances of a loss that's stung,
it gives them some time to work through it, and
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I think that's a net positive, not a bad.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Time to get back on track. We will be back
here on JAGXAM tomorrow's we look more into the matchup
against the Rams at Wembley on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
We'll see then
Welcome to jack zam Ka, Nannie Stevens here, Brian Sexton,
John Oser coming to you live from Hertfordshire, England. Good
morning to those in Jacksonville. Afternoon here in the UK.
But we're getting ready for another London matchup at Wembley,
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The first big thing is away we go, because the
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way we go. We left early this week to get
out here practice early. It's a little bit different than
traditionally maybe the team has done at certain points. We've
been playing two games here in London the past couple
of years. But Liam Cohen talked a little bit about
what went into the decision making.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It was just something that when we talked about in
the off season that this could be a possible opportunity
for a new everything to maybe be together for an
extended period of time. It just so happens. I told
the team that what a perfect time for this to
come up, that we're coming off of a tough loss
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and we've got to face a little adversity as a team. Well,
now we're together for an extended period of time in
a new setting, in a different place. Obviously, this organization
has had a lot of familiarity with making this trip
and I think our ops travel, everybody that is involved
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in it is you know, really gets it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So obviously the location isn't new. We stay at the
Grove every year, but coming early, I know the team
has done both throughout the years. Brian but Lia Cohen said,
you know that when they went through all the logistics,
they wanted to kind of get out here early, get established,
and take the time delay out of it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But two things stand out.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
When they would go on Thursday night, land on Friday
practice and practice Saturday, they talked about getting you know
that feeling back, feeling.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Good on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Obviously, coming early gives you a chance to feel good
by the time you get to the practice field a
little bit later today. And the other thing is, and
you guys probably notice this too. You know, we get
going through training camp in the preseason and there's people
that we don't know all that well that we haven't
met on a new staff, players and support staff, and
you know, at breakfast this morning, I was talking to
somebody that I had really never.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Talked to or met didn't know what they did.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
So there's something to that waking up and walking down
to breakfast and saying good morning where you normally wouldn't
and being around people and getting to know them a
little bit better. And when you consider we're in week
seven of this brand new program, there's some value to that.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, nobody will tell you that it's not a good
camaraderie experience for the team. The only way it wouldn't
be is that they didn't like each other, and you
don't get this idea from this team at all. I
think Liam also this week, really wants to take some
time in practice and really work on the penalties, really
emphasize that. I don't know how much it's gonna be
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emphasized when you're sitting around the rooms talking to each other,
but having everybody in one place, one focus, maybe a
touch of a training camp feel, maybe the message will
be a little more received on that front as well.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's like a big thing today is staying put because
while the team traveled on an overnight flight on Monday,
Devin Lloyd, who was dealing with a calf injury, didn't
make the trip out here, which obviously has been having
a tremendous beginning to this season. John, when you're looking
at you know, even when he wasn't able to play
against the Seahawks, it was noted when he wasn't out
there is this concern long term.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, I don't think it's a concern long term. I
think what you're looking at. And Brian, you and I
thank you talking about earlier in the week. Now you're
Devin Lloyd down, Written Strange down, Quinton Morris, who's the
backup tight end. You're sort of maybe still down tra
Trayvon Walker full effectiveness, you were down Robert Hainsey the
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other night. And I know it's questions ago about Devin. Sorry,
but you're in a situation where that's four or five
key guys that aren't going one hundred percent. Uh, this
is next men up and they've really got a play
well to get to the buy somehow get through this one,
get some of these guys back. But they're down some
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core guys right now.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, let me in just to see where Hainesy is.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Obviously we heard good things about what Jodan Bnheim did
last week, but Hainsey, you just get the sense he
would have been an addition because of his knowledge of
the offense. Again, especially against a team like Seattle that
plit so much. In the case of Devin Lloyd, you
talked about your playmaker on defense and five takeaways. Ventro
Miller comes in and he's very good against the run.
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There's no drop off, But he's not going to be
the guy who gets your sacks in interceptions and forced
fumbles and things like that. I mean, maybe he grabs
one or two, he's not the same way. You know,
you look at a team like San Francisco and they
lose Nick Bosa early, and they lost Fred Warner this week,
do you have any doubt that they'll find a way
to stay relevant or to play well.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That's what this team has to do.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
They've got to play well and execute their assignment and
find a way, as John mentioned, just to get to
the bye week.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And except for Lloyd, really talking about some guys who
are sort of subtly very you know, I think Trayvon's
the best player on defense, and I think Brent Strange
is the best player on offense. But nationally people don't
look at them and say, oh, the Jaguars are really
injured because having those two guys down, plus your playmaker
Devin plus Hainsey, this is the attrition time and after
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this week if they win, what's ever being to say, Oh,
the buy is coming in a good time, right, so
you can get healthy. But they got to get through
this one.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
The other side, what Trayvon is is, you know what,
from what I've been told, that club is going to
be on for a month, which means that by the
time you get to Las Vegas, you know, either side
of the bi week, perhaps he can be working from
a splint, you know, from a brace and get back
to himself. So one more game where it would seem
that he would be limited.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Our final big thing today is going to be making moves.
So that's with a question mark. We don't know if
yet for sure. Obviously James Gladstone not afraid to make
any sort of trade or move in the season. We've
already seen a couple. But Brian, I'm sure you're keeping
track of this. They're making cap space. They're converting a
lot of things into bonuses, restructuring contracts, most recently Greg Newsom.
But they're giving themselves some space to make a move
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by the deadline if they have the ability to get
someone they.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Want newsom Walker, Little Deanmi Brown, three guys that they
massage the contracts to create room because they were up
against it. And I think we've all heard that we
can expect more from Baselli, Gladstone and Colin when it
comes to moves. They're not going to be shy about
going and finding players. And the question everyone has is Okay,
who right? I think for our per it's more what
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what position? Where do they need help? And you'd say
somewhere on the defensive line. I guess you could say
edge as long as Trayvon is out, but you're expecting
to get him back, and tight end you're expecting Brenton
Strange back. But I think you could use it help
at safety and we saw that last week. And I
think you could use help against the run. They're pretty
solid against the run, but you could use someone that
can push the pocket a bit more than we've seen.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, you'd really like to get more push stouter up front.
I think we're back to a little bit where the
edge rushers Trayvon being out hurts, and then really nobody
to take any double team pressure off Josh. Somebody on
the front needs to get more push and I'm always
a little hesitant to say you can go get it.
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You know, they went and got it with Newsome because
they gave up something. How much can you go get
right for the trade line? A trade deadline, I'm always
a little skeptical, but we'll see.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, two weeks until the trade but a little more
than two weeks. Two weeks from Tuesday is the tradeline.
So if there's something that you really feel like you
need coming out of the bye week, now's the time
to go get it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Absolutely, stay with us here on Jagszam. Coming up after
the break, we'll do a little this so that as
we look ahead to the matchup with the Rams on Sunday.
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Speaker 6 (08:38):
I think he's a great player, and he's a young
young kid, but when you talk to him, he doesn't
really seem like a rookie, doesn't talk like a rookie.
He knows the offense really well. Place hard, place stuff
and first start, I mean, hell, he's gonna get He's
gonna get a lot of opportunities in the NFL and
keep rolling, keep getting better. But he's nothing but great
things to say about him. He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
SPATR McCarey weighing in on Jonah Manheim, who got his
first NFL start at center last week, as Robert Hainsey's
dealing with an injury right now, when we look back
at the offensive line, obviously not a great performance as
a group. Most sacks we've seen more than we've seen
the first several weeks before that. But Monheim himself, I
don't know if this is getting help from those around him.
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Didn't have a terrible day. It's just as a group
they really regressed. It Is it just the injuries brand
that's a tough one, or didn't they face a very
good team in Seattle.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
There's a very good team in Seattle. And other than injuries, Kay,
I think we've seen inconsistencies. Right Walker Little has had
a good game and then had a game where you thought,
come on, I mean, why can't we play the same
level every single Sunday? And he's not the only player
that does that. We've seen Ezra Cleveland look strong and
then he had injury, and then he's had some issues
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as well. The change at at center obviously doesn't help.
McCary had the knee, so it kind of plays into it.
You know, the best offensive lineman you've had is Anton Harrison,
and so yeah, I think inconsistency has been the first thing,
and then injuries the second.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Well, I don't think Brenton being out helped. Now obviously
he's not contributing or his absence isn't hurting you with sacks,
but it does hurt you with an option, you know,
to avoid sacks. Anton's been dealing.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
With stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Elbow, ezra is you know, not but McCary, So I
think a little bit of the dealing with things. I
also think if you recall, the Seattle game was the
first time that they were trailing second half, so all
of a sudden, it's the first time they're playing a
really good defensive front and in a situation where that
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really really good defensive front knows you're going to throw.
They got back into the Kansas City game before halftime,
so they never got out of running when they wanted
to run. I think they had a lot to do
with the two and look Trevor held into a couple
of sacks I thought a little bit, So I think
a lot of circumstances. I think they'll be able to
get the offensive line. I don't think you're gonna have
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another seven SAT game, No, but I think it's gonna
have to manufacture good pat I'm not sure it's naturally
a great offensive line. I think it's a good offensive line.
It's gonna have to play well to be good.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You have your hands full this week because Jared verse
Ann Young have been coming off the edge. They're better
edge rushers than we saw last week, and they're pretty
darn could on the inside as well. So you need
a consistent performance. I think you'll get it from Antony Harrison.
You hope that this is a week where you get
it from Walker Little and you you know, you've got
to just keep working those combinations and try to figure.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It out sometimes two in that kind of a game.
When they do get you time, you got to hit
it when it's there. We've seen that before and they
didn't take advantage of the times where you did have
a clean pocket, didn't take advantage of with big plays.
So I think it's going to be incumbent on the
offense to get some point, to get into a rhythm,
get up so that you're not playing against the chains
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the whole. That's the other thing too, right, We didn't
be mentioned seven offensive penalties. Every one of those puts
you in bad down and distance. That's terrible for an
offensive line trying to block for the past.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Still little this or that. I'd love to get your
guys opinions on this. We mentioned both of these guys already.
Robert Hainsey and Brenton Stranger are both dealing with injuries
right now. Brenton we know we'll be out at least
a couple of weeks. Robert Hainsey working on coming back.
But who's the bigger loss right now? Because I feel
like they both play such a crucial role. We've talked
a lot about Brenton's pass catching and blocking is a
huge both of it feels like almost two people have
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to replace him with. But also Hainesy's calming president in
the center position obviously or in the center of the line.
But I feel like the consistency and I think maybe
just mentality is something that was missing as well. Like
I don't think no knock on Manheim whatsoever, but just
the experience and having that in there, which one is
a bigger loss to you? And I guess in terms
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of getting this team back on track on offense.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think it's strange nothing you know, against a Hainsey.
I don't know that the drop off is as big
between Hainsey and Bnheim, who's a talented guy who the
jag Wars really liked coming out of the draft, as
it is between Brenton Strange and Hunter Long. I mean,
Hunter Long has a role on this team, no doubt.
Johnny Munt has some things he can do as well.
But without Breton Strange, it's tight end by committee, Whereas
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with Brenton Strange you've got perhaps the second best tight
end in the league. You know, when you look at
the best all around tight ends in the league, the
first one is Greg Kittle.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm sorry, George Kittle. The next one is Brent Strange.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, and I agree. I think you miss Hainsey a
lot because of the veteran and I'm being able to
get you in the right calls, and he communicates very
well with Trevor, So I think there are some there's
a lot of intangible things physically they don't miss Hainesy
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as much because of Monheim, but Britain Strange is really
good and really high level, and there's nobody on the
roster who can.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Do what he does.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
What could he get him both back?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I like them both, John, I was gonna say as well.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I feel like we've talked a little bit about it,
but the run game was so successful right out of
the gate, and then without Strange in the game, I've
noticed a drop off. And I feel like he played
such a big role in that that maybe you think, oh,
it's mostly the offensive line, but Brent Strange's role in
that was so huge it's been hard to replicate without him.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
For probably since early last year, anybody around here is
told you he's their best run blocker, regardless of position,
and maybe that's changed with some people this year. That
also contributes to the pass protection problems because they're not
as good and reliable a running team without Britain Strange.
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And when you don't run as well and you've got
penalties flying up, then all of a sudden you're in
third and thirteen. Breton Strange creates a lot more The
loss of Breton Strange creates a lot more long down
and distance.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
It all goes together.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
When you lose.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Mayb would tell you Hainsey and Strange or maybe two
of their best three or four offensive players, and when
you lose both of them, you're down a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
You go back to the Texans game and Travis's seventy
yard run, I mean it was it was Strange who
came in with the wham block and sealed that. It
feels like in every game that he played, there was
a block or two that got Travis beyond the line
of scrimmage and got him, you know, one on one
where he could make a move in game, you know,
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thirteen yards or twenty two yards, whatever it was. And
that's been missing without him, because he's that guy who
gets to the second level and makes a key block.
And that's that's what long in month don't necessarily give you.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, think about what the lack of footing, if you will,
you feel like you're on surefoot going out there defensively
when Trayvon's on the field and offensively when Breton's on
the field. When you don't have that, you lose part
of your foundation and really part of your stoutness and toughness.
This wants to be a physical team. Without those two guys,
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they're not as physical a team.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Absolutely, Let's talk.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
A little bit about the Rams of the opponent coming
up obviously very familiar to our new head coach and
our new GM James Gladstone, coming from that organization. Liam
Cohen obviously was there twice two different stints with McVeigh.
When you're playing against a coach or an organization that
you previously worked with and are kind of of the
same tree, do you feel like this is a personal
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I'm curious what you guys think. Do you feel like
it's a pro where it's a con because they almost
know everything, y'all. You know everybody's little secret tricks, what
you're kind of getting into. And then do you try
to outsmart yourself to the point where you're undoing what
you would normally do on game prep?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
My favorite story about this goes all the way back
to Super Bowl fourteen. Bud Carson, who had been the
defensive coordinator for the Steelers for years now, the coach
of the Rams and Terry Bradshaw got to the line
of scrimmage and barked out the first audible, and the
Rams adjusted and Terry called time out and went Chuck
Nolan said, they got him, they got the signals, and
so there is some of that, right, There's that idea
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that Liam understands what the talent looks like and what
they like to do, and that McVeigh can understand what
Liam wants to do based on what they do on Sunday. Personally,
I think it's a pro to have a coach from
the Sean McVay tree. I went and looked between two
thousand and four and twenty sixteen, the Rams had four coaches,
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three interim coaches, and one five hundred season.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's it. Then McVeigh comes in.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
He's in his eighth year and in the previous seven seasons,
John six playoff appearances, two super Bowl appearances, and a
super Bowl championship. Liam was there when they won, and
more importantly, they had one losing season after the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
He was there for that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
So he's seen how McVeigh operates, how he puts the
team together, or how the game plan comes together, how
he adjusted through difficulty. I just think the overall advantage
for the Jaguars is to have a coach from that
Sean McVeagh tree.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, there are coaches who shaped the league. Joe Gibbs
and Bill Walsh did it for a long time, and
everything followed for a long time. Off that Sean McVay
is shaping the league. When you listen to Liam talk offense,
I'm learning things about offensive football that you know, I'm
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not gonna say I thought I knew, but I've never
covered anything from this tree. So a lot of what
I knew before is anticated. What we saw last year
is sort of leaving the league a little bit Andy
Reid's tree, that West Coast tree. It's changed over time,
but it's a Sean McVeigh driven league. Now what does
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that mean for this game? I think it's a little
bit if there's a motivation edge, you know, a score
that for the Jags, And I think it does help
for Liam Cohen to be able to defensively. If they're asking, hey,
why are they doing this, he can tell them necessarily
rams tendencies, but things that that offense does in that situation,
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how Sean thinks. Now, Sean's going to know that. So
that's where the chess game begins. So I think it's
a cool game for that reason. You almost wish it
was in the States, So you've been concentrating on that
more because they called it the North Star. I mean,
this is the first measuring stick against the North Star
for the Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It feels like, I don't know, if you guys know
the Spider Man meme where they all are pointing at
each other, because it's like I know what you know,
but you know what I know, and I'm excited to
see how it plays out. We'll talk a little bit
more exactly about the Rams matchup on tomorrow's show, but
just some food for thought.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, listen, you covered a distinctly different culture than either
one of us have when you were covering the New
England Patriots, and obviously you were with Tony Dungee, so
we all kind of seen different things. This one stands alone,
and if Sean McVay is responsible for the culture that
we're seeing in the building, I mean it feels like
football Heaven.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I mean, these.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Guys are all about the ball and I just like
the way that they do things. And I know they've
got to improve the roster a bit there. There's some
areas they've got to show up. But it just feels
going into this matchup against the North Stars you said,
John like, Liam is really dialed in and really excited
about this.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Absolutely, motivation will be there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
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we are going to talk a little bit about what's
been going on in the AFC South. The Texans were off,
so we're skipping them this but the Titans are being
dramatic enough for everybody in the division right now, firing
their head coach Brian Callahan six weeks into this season.
And before we even get into that, I just want
to say when you make changes, obviously Jacksonville's seen a
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ton of changes happen before, but when they make it
kind of piecemeal, I feel like that's what makes it difficult.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
At times.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
In Tennessee, we're seeing just that where you're getting a
new gym, but keeping a coach and then getting rid
of a coach who just drafted a quarterback, and then
you're gonna get a coach in here with a quarterback
that didn't draft. So it's just interesting to watch it
go down in a different way.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Well, so it's Callahan's second season, right, so, and obviously
the Titans said to Burgonzi, Mike Borgnzi, who is the
new general manager, he we'd like to see what he's got.
But Burgunzie came from the Andy Reid Tree, he came
from Kansas City, where he had been for most of
his career, and Brian Callahan came from Zach Taylor, who
came from Sean McVeigh. And sometimes it just it doesn't
(21:54):
match up. Callahan's a guy who said to be terrific
with quarterbacks. So how much progress did you really expect
in the first six weeks with a roster that wasn't
that good? To your point, Kai, they if they were
going to make the move in week six, they should
have just swept it clean at the beginning of the
year and given Bergonzi a chance to bring in a
guy that fits his persona the team that he wants
(22:15):
to build with. Chad Brinker, who vice president of football
operations for them, it just started to clean because we
like Mike McCoy. I mean, I think Mike McCoy is
a good coach. He's worked with good quarterbacks Peyton Manning
and Philip Rivers. But now you're putting him in a
position of having to show a lot of progress, and
you're six weeks in and you kind of know what
y'all are at this point.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, it's it doesn't have to be in lockstep. If
if if the people make it work, if your people,
but if it if it's not, it makes it very
tough to get the timing right, especially with the quarterback
(22:56):
dynamic in the league right now. Meaning now you're five
games in on On not cam Ward, uh, and you're
gonna have an interim coach with cam Ward, and then
next year the storylines up there will be well it's
really his rookie year, you know, and so the time
frame can get away from me. They'll be judging cam
(23:16):
Ward now next year, well is he a second year quarterback?
Is he a first How much progress? So it has
become a timing league where you almost think you got
to hit reset and hope that you that you get
GM and head coach in a year we had the
right quarterback at the top of the draft. So it'll
be interesting to watch because that's sort of we've seen
(23:38):
that with Trevor coming up. When they can get in lockst.
It feels like lockstep now, but it took a while.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I asked Liam before the Kansas City game about my
homes and and and the standard for you know, having
that knowledge of the system to be able to make
all the change and how long it takes. And he
went right to Trevor and said, you know this, Trevor's
on his third head coach. He's on his third offensive system.
You got to have consistency. So I guess it depends
on how you look at it. Burgonzi may have known
that he was going to blow this thing up and
(24:05):
he didn't want too many systems and too much time
to pass. Or you've created a Trevor Lawrence short of
situation here for them now, and we've seen firsthand how
it's taken him through some ups and downs and still
working to get this offense down. So I think they've
lengthened their their timeline with cam Ward, but that may
not matter because the timeline is so long with a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We'll see what it looks like, as this will be
their first week with a different interim coach. Elsewhere, the
Colts are sitting atop the division, and I know we
have talked about this every single week, but they continue
to see success battle back. Got to win over the
Cardinals this week and we don't play them until later
in the season. So a lot of this is just
kind of watching from afar. But John, they're the real deal.
(24:50):
They're getting their wins up there. It's gonna be hard
to get at if they continue on this pace.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I mean, never want to let a team get too
far away there. The positive for the Jags with the
Colts in first place is if you stay within two,
you're gonna have a chance to reel them back in
really fast. So the division should not get away. The
Colts have not played a great schedule. The counter to
(25:15):
that is they are running the ball very well, and
Daniel Jones in his first year there is looking consistent
enough that they're five and one, So you start doing math,
it's hard to see them the way they're playing. With
Daniel Jones giving them consisting at quarterback, you would think
they're at least five hundred down the stretch, which puts
(25:36):
you at eleven and seven or eleven and six whatever.
My math is not great, but somewhere in there. So
it means you've got to win more than that to
catch them. So you don't want to let them get
two or three games up, because then all of a sudden,
every win for you is a holding breath.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't think they're a great team, but I think
playing really good football. Shansteichen has a nose for He
came from Philadelphia for the running game, and I mean,
I've been open about my admiration for Jonathan Taylor, who
I think is just sensational, and now that he has
a legitimate quarterback under center, you have got to be
worried about.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What he can do.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Their defense has not been as good, however, they do
have some talented players. DeForest Butner still can play at
a high level. Latou Latou is a young pass rusher
they drafted last year that they like very much. They're
susceptible at corner, where they had a veteran Xavian Howard
retire suddenly on them. But if Jonathan Taylor's controlling the tempo,
the Colts defense can play with the lead, which they
(26:43):
have a lot in the first six weeks, and they've
been good. It's a fun dynamic and I think if
the Jaguars can keep within a couple of games, like
John just mentioned, the AFC Souths can have a little
respect running into the month of December and people aren't
just gonna be able to get buy the worst division
than football. Well, what if you've got an honest to
goodness race between a a Colts team and a Jaguars
team and one of them is gonna end up as
(27:03):
a wildcard if not the division winner, That'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Good for us.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's gonna be fun down the stretch with all the
divisional games the Jaguars have towards back half of the season,
that's for certain.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
That's what's up with the AFC South.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
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Zip Chair is furniture for fans. Stepping up our Wednesday,
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today and probably the fanciest press conference area in sports.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
It's one of the fun things about coming here. There
is in a.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Greenhouse over by the practice field. It's just it's different.
I mean everything here is walk through.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
The gardens on the way to the practice field. It's nice.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
We get a little fall out of it. John, This
is like kind of old hat for them at this point.
I know the coaching is new, but just the organizational
how things run over here. Imagine is there a difference
to you with coming early versus coming on a Thursday.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
You're here earlier. I mean, it's I've done a lot
of different ways. I do think the players will be
better adjusted, and I think the positive of the camaraderie thing,
I do think is real. I think people think of
teams as always getting to know each other, and really
(28:39):
they don't get that chance outside of training camp, because
you come to the facility, Brian, and you're in your
position groups, and you're in your routine, and every day
is sort of the same from the time training camp
in is the very season. So the fact that they're
here and they see each other in the hallway and
it's like, you know, it's like going to basketball camp
when you're.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
A kid, which I used to do.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So there is an element of that that I think
is upon Well, you.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Have that extra time. I mean in the evening when
they're done, they you know, they can go down. I
saw a bunch of guys the other night, you know,
playing cards, right, so they're getting that time together. There
really is something to it, and I do think coming
off the loss, Liam mentioned that in his news conference
on Monday before the team left to come over here
that because of the circumstances of a loss that's stung,
it gives them some time to work through it, and
(29:22):
I think that's a net positive, not a bad.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Time to get back on track. We will be back
here on JAGXAM tomorrow's we look more into the matchup
against the Rams at Wembley on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
We'll see then
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