October 16, 2025 • 24 mins
Kainani Stevens, John Oesher and Brian Sexton are live from the UK to discuss the progress of the Jaguars' new offense installation, the penalties, and Travis Hunter's involvement. The crew takes a look at Matthew Stafford and the threats posed by the Los Angeles Rams' offense. This and more on Jags A.M., presented by Fields Auto Group.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to JAGZAM today. Can Annie Stephens, Fran sext and
John Osier with you. It's afternoon here in England as
we get ready for the match against the Rams this
week in Wembley. But good morning to everybody back in Jacksonville.
For JAGXAM today, we're gonna talk a lot about the
opponent and what we're expecting this weekend. After a frustrating
loss against the Seahawks, they're going to try to rebound
coming up. So let's go over some of our big
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Big thing number.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
One is mentor versus protege. And I bring this up
because there's a couple of them, and in regards to
the Rams and the Jags, of course you have the
head coaching Sean McVay Rams and Liam Cohen who worked
previously for Sean McVay, but also when you're looking at
general managers as well, when we're talking about James Gladstone
who worked under Less Need for the Rams for a
long time as well, so Brian. A lot of what
they're trying to do is take some of the positive
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and the successes that they've seen in LA and bring
them to Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Listen, when you talk to people who have worked in
the RAMS organization, and there's some people that I know
that still work in the RAMS organization, they talk about
the quality from the top to the bottom, the way
that they go about scouting players, coaching players, the way
that they treat their staff, the things that are important
to them. They have a very high standard and everyone
works towards that standard, which John is what I have
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seen here in the early going. Since Tony Basseli, James Gladstone,
and Liam Cohen got.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Together, it feels that way.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And listen, there is a lot of affection between all
of the parties that Kai just mentioned because of the
success that they had and because of the quality of
people that they are.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
On a couple of thoughts, it's funny because they came
in together. Everybody thought like Liam and James were like buds, right,
and they really weren't in LA. But I think what
they both found they so I take this from sort
of listening to him. Once they got together, they were
very like minded because they had both been with the RAMS,
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and they both feel the same way about football. Both
coaches kids that sort of thing. One thing about Gladstone,
in talking to people of the Rams, they knew as
soon as he got interviewed, they knew he was going
to be gone. He was that important, he was that
good to that organization. Look, I don't think the Jaguars
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want to be Rams South, but Gladstone, I think it
was that the Combine did call the Rams the north Star.
It's a good organization to have as your guidepost. And
that's what it feels like. And you can feel what
you're talking about, Brian, the quality of individual that are involved,
in the quality of the way they do things.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And they win. I mean since they took over there,
they have.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
In the seven previous seasons to this one, they have
six playoff years, super Bowl appearances and one super Bowl
championships and.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
One playoff year they were decimated by any Yeah, it
was alway impossible for the the playoffs. So they've been
remarkably consistent.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Absolutely definitely something you want to base your franchise off of.
Let's go to our big thing Number two. We'll get
to the game a little bit and it's when push
comes to shove. We talked a ton about what the
offensive line did last week. Against Seahawks, how they struggled.
Trevor Lawrence talked about kind of moving on from that.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
You know, you can't take one game and freak out
and let let you lose sight of kind of the
progress you've made and the things that you have done well,
and you just got to get back to some of
the basics, some of the fundamentals. Just do the little
things well. We got to clean up the penalties, like
we've talked about, that's something that we can control. I
think if we start there, there'll be huge improvement. So
then beyond that, there's little things that we can find Toune,
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but that's the starting point of us.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
John.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It's easier said than done, I'm sure, but trying to
get these penalties down and also on the offense, maybe
getting the running game going so they don't have to
pass as much and then thus seven sacks seventeen.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Quarterback hits I laughed when he said, you can't take
one game and freak out, because.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So the hands do. I mean, look, it is harder
than it sounds to reduce the penalties because a lot
of the penalties have come from them trying to learn
this offense trying to implement it, and it's complex and
it needs pre snap stuff and there's going to come
a point where they all get it. But until then,
Liam is trying to find that balance between pre snap
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and just making sure you get it. But you have
to do pre snap because if you don't, you can't
read the defense. I do think getting the running game
going is key, not just for the run, but it
will help alleviate a lot of the pressure on the
quarterback because you'll be in better down in distance, which,
by the way, Brian, if you reduce the penalties, that
happens too. So cleaning up it's so easy. We all
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talk about cleaning up right. Well, if it was easy,
it wouldn't be a mess in the first place. So
that is the goal and we'll see if they can
do it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There's a physical demand to this too, Kai when you
watch the tape, and I talked with Jeff Logan on
the practice field about this.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You had a rookie center and you had guys who
were seeing so much because they couldn't run. It felt
like they were taking an extra step backwards to give
themselves a little bit more space to read and react
to what was going on, and in doing so, they
were soft. They just gave up too much and by
the time Trevor Lawrence was ready to throw, there was
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someone in his space the whole day. So they've got
to be stout for whatever that means. They've got to
be firm, they've got to hold the line of the
line of scrimmage. And it's important to remind people that
for the first five weeks in the season they did
just that. They only gave up six sacks. They created
room in the running game. Last week, at least in
the course of this season is the anomaly. So we'll
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see if they can get back to that where they
don't give up a little bit of extra space, where
they're stronger, more firm at the point of attack. Although
that's challenge this week because obviously you've got Verse and
Young and Kobe Turner in the middle. Jaguars are going
to have to fix some things on the practice field today,
tomorrow and Saturday to be ready for it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, Britain Strange being out too doesn't help here. And
it's not that he's a pass blocker per se, but
he's a great run blocker. So all of a sudden
you're getting a little less in the run game. And
again it circles back to if the running game is
not working, it's a lot harder to pass protect.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
All comes together, our final big thing today is going
to be top priority. We've talked about this to some
degree every week, I think at this point, but Travis
Hunter on offense, Is this the week we see more
involvement from him in the past game?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Please? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean every time he's got the ball in his hands,
you see what makes him special. There's there have not
been many receivers in Jaguars history that have the movement skills.
I mean not to say they can't run a jump
like you can, but I mean he just he's got
that something, that X factor that it about him. Throw
the ball to him as often as you can. But
you know that's what the Rams are going to try
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and take him away.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Rights true, because they have tried. They've had things in
for Travis Hunter, and there's been times where Trevor's missed him.
Quite frankly, there's been times where it's in and then
you don't get the pass off or there's pressure. So
they're gonna keep trying. One thing I do know, you know,
I get a lot of questions, should he be playing
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less on offense? Should be playing but there's no inclination
to play him less. The inclination is they think he's
might be their best cornerback, so he's gonna play there, yep.
And they want to keep trying to get him the
ball on offense because this team lacks big plays. Still,
you don't take this kid out if you want big plays.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What's remarkable is how patient he's been. Right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean, so many receivers in this league when they
don't see the ball. Garrett Wilson in New York is
a great example, because he was so demonstrative here in
London last week about the game plan and how it
didn't work to get him involved. There's no there's no
sense of that from Travis Hunter, and comprobed by the
fact that he's we played for Dean Sanders, you'd expect
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to see more of that, and you don't. He's remarkably humble.
He does want the football because he wants to help
his team win.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And I think we'll see more of that at some point,
and I'm hoping it's this week. Say with us here,
we'll look ahead and deep dive a little bit into
what the Rams are bringing to the table this weekend.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
We've protected at a high level in a lot of ways.
Last week was a tough go, so they know, we
all know it takes truly, not just those guys up front.
We've got to help them and have a responsibility as coaches,
but also hey, stepping up to the plate and worrying
about us. Let's go get better at our sets, the
way that we slide and pass protection, the way that
we protect our fundamentals, our techniques, and worry about those
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things and not so much the guys that we're playing against.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Silliam Cohen talking about addressing some of the offensive line problems,
but Brian, that's a lot easier said than done when
you're going up against what the Rams are going to
be trotting out there this week.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Absolutely, we talked a little bit about it in the
last segment. But you've got Brian, Byron Young who has
seven and a half sacks, the second most in the NFL,
at Jared Verus who has three and last week combined
for three, and Kobe Turner on the inside, who can
be a wrecking ball. He's not Aaron Donald, but he's very,
very good. So you've got to maybe you get Robert
Hansey back this week. We don't know what I mean,
find out this week how he practices. But you've got
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a lot to do.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, sometimes you have a tough game and you get
better the next week and everybody says, well, who'd you play?
You won't have that problem this week. It'll be a test.
I trust they can pass the test. I don't think
what they did wrong against Seattle is necessarily not fixable.
I think the Rams will get some sacks, but again
it's going to depend on They've got to run, and
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it doesn't have to be for one hundred and forty yards,
but they have to make the Rams respect the run.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
The Rams aren't nearly as good against the run, at
least they haven't been this year as Seattle is, so
they should be able to find some room open.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Things up a little bit. I find the coaching matchup interesting.
It's always interesting when you're kind of facing an offense
that maybe yours is built off of. To some respect,
I asked Cohen yesterday at the presser, kind of is
that weird? Is it a pros it a con? He said,
it's a little bit of a chess match. But he
spent some time this week talking with the tensive Corneers
about game planning, and he said that was helpful for
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him to kind of lay things out for coach Campanelli.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
So many of the ball plays are similar that you
see each week. What makes Sean and those guys, I
think different. It is just the details that go into it,
in the amount of how specific emotions are, how efficient
they are at their operation pre snap identifying it what
they're looking for maybe in some of these plays, whether
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they're can To run or Canada pass, Canada screens, whatever
it is. I think that's where he has a notch above.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
John.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Liam obviously has a ton of respect for McVeigh and
what they've done with that organization. It's so it's kind
of interesting to know a little bit of the insider details,
but you also have to work on your own game plan.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well. I think where it gets interesting is and Liam
alluded to this when he was talking there's no mystery
when Liam's coaching against McVeigh. There's no mystery about where
he's coming from, and there's no mystery about why they're
going to do certain things. And I think he said
situationally is when he'll sort of know, Okay, Sean's going
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to do this here and he's going to try to
get somebody isolated here. I'm sure that's helped in game planning.
So it as we've listened to Liam this year, and
you guys have listened to him the same way I have.
You see why the McVeigh tree and the way they
approach football is starting to be the thing in the league.
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There are certain coaches who define generations, Gibbs Walsh, these guys,
the McVeigh approach is starting to define the NFL. So
these you guys are both well versed in it, and
there won't be any mysteries on either side about sort
of why the other team's doing things. I think I
think guys right, she's been on all week. I think
it's the fascinating matchup it is.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And you can also, though, expect that Liam will use
some of the other influences that he's gained from his
time at Kentucky, you know, from his time with Todd
Bowles and that staff over in Tampa Bay, to try
to cloud it right, muddy the water's a little bit
plan give him some things that maybe he has not seen,
which is advantage to him because Sean has been there
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doing the same things over and over. Now you could say, well,
Sean's brought new coaches in and had other influence as well. Absolutely,
there are those chess pieces where it's like, how do
I disguise what he thinks I'm going to do?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And that'll make it a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Let's talk a little bit about the quarterback matchup, Brian.
You asked Cohen yesterday a little bit about what makes
Stafford so special. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Yeah, I don't trust those eyes. Now, don't trust his eyes,
but we've talked to it. It's this full command of
the operation that ultimately we have to be great with
our disguises, we have to be great with our spot
drop coverages. We've got to try to affect the pocket
obviously in a lot of ways. But he has such
a great way of dissecting pre snap and then operating
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post snap.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Don't trust the eyes, Listen.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
He's got seventeen years in professional football, and even when
he was in Detroit, he was a guy who was very,
very talented. What he's done with Sean McVay out there
and winning like he has has just given you a
greater sense of the type of talent that he is.
I remember standing on the practice field on Friday after
the Rams Niners Thursday night game a couple weeks back
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and listening to liab raving about the things that Matt
Stafford did, and he called him the og.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I mean, the guy's just they're.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So smart and has seen almost everything over the course
of his career. You can't discount It's that's a key matchup.
It's one of the things that the Rams have on
their side every Sunday, but this week that's a guy
who could really cause a lot of problems for Well.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think it's the thing that a lot of people
overlook about the Rams because Safford's been around forever. He's
never been like the best quarterback in the league on
a given years, so you know, nobody talks about him
a whole lot, but seventeen years he has seen everything.
On the Huddle Up Podcast yesterday, Bucky Brooks I thought,
really broke down Stafford well and talked about how unselfish
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he is. It doesn't have to be his game. He
can manage it and then when it's time for it
to be his game, he's capable of making plays. Look
what Liam said. I was kind of laughing when Liam
was talking about it. He's great pre snap and Greek
and great post nap, which great. What else is there
going to dinner? I mean, he's very good. He can
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run it and you're not going to fool him a
whole lot. So Look, he's high end and he may
not have his best receiver this week, which which couldn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It does help.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
But he also had Devanta Adams who had.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
One hundred andy eight yards or two fourth quarter touchdowns
for the Jets against the Jags last year.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That one still Yeah, Yes, I think that's a good point, John,
because we've been talking a ton. Puka Nakua has not
practiced so far this week. We'll see what happens on Thursday.
But DeVante Adams got after us pretty good and he's
still talented.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I don't think any Jaguars fans are gonna forget that
for a while.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well, and this year the Jaguars have allowed a couple
of guys to go off right. Last week we saw
one hundred and what fifty yards one hundred and sixty
yards from at Jamar Chase had won sixty five at
Nico Collins had the fourth quarter touchdown one.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Hundred and four yards.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
The secondary has given up two great receivers, some big performances,
some great production this year, so they've got to tighten
it up absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Also, what's dangerous about the RAMS is you think about
a Cooper Cup was very, very good and then when
he started to Wanne was very good. I'm not calling
them system wide receivers, but somebody in that offense is
going to get theirs if it's running right. So don't
just necessarily think if they're best guys out there, they're
not going to be.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
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our best to predict the future of what the headlines
are going to be on Monday morning after this game
on Sunday at Wembley, Brian, what do you think they're
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going to look?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, I'll go with friends and foes.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it's going to feel very friendly before the game.
Obviously for the reasons that you elaborated on at the top.
It's been a great storyline to follow all week long.
I don't think that Liam Cohen is going to walk
off feeling very chummy.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I don't like this matchup very much.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I think that the Rams are quietly a much better
team than people see them as right now because of
their record. They went to Philadelphia and probably should have
knocked off the Eagles at a moment where the Eagles
were really charging. I think the Gigers have the pieces
to be able to go do this, and I love
with his coach and his coaching staff for doing John.
I just think that a team that's so mistake prone,
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I mean, they just shoot themselves in the foot over
and over and over. Now, they didn't done Monday Night football,
and they got the job done. But right now that
the holding penalties that the quarterback's not been entirely accurate.
I just have a hard time seeing them getting over
this hump. I'll take four and three going into the
bye week is with the extra time to really dial
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in on the mistake that they make, the mistakes that
they make over and over and get ready for the
second half of the season, which I think is a
much more favorable skit.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Joel, Yeah, I think what you worry about is the
Rams are one of those teams that can get tempo going,
and if things are going against you early, they can
take advantage of it. You worry about some mistakes and
the Rams getting a double digit lead and not being
able to get back into it because you're so negative
all the time. I went with a rapid response, and
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I'm with you, Brian, I'm worried about this game. I
thought before the season this Seahawks Rams stretch was really dangerous,
and everybody was talking about the Chiefs and then you
know there are two very quietly good teams that can
get you if you're not playing well. But I went
rapid response because I think it's their first chance to
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really respond to real adversity. When they lost to Cincinnati,
it was very easy and probably correct to say well,
we should have won the game, because they probably should
have won the game. They were up, They had dominated
that whole game, and you felt good about it. You
didn't have the same good feelings after Seattle, even though
to their credit, they were good enough to have figured
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out a way maybe get back into that game but couldn't.
But they didn't outplay the Seahawks. So it's their first
chance to sort of say, hey, we don't have to
feel this way about ourselves. And then if they get
back into it the rapid see all words matter here.
I think if they're going to do it, I think
before the season we all thought dynamic offense, big plays.
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Brian Thomas junior Travis Hunter hasn't been there. If they're
gonna win, I think they have to get plays out
of those guys.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
My prediction is it's not necessarily negative. I think I
would love to see I would love them to play
the Rams again, like maybe mid season next year, because
I feel for me, it just feels early to kind
of judge where the Liam Cohen regime is at. Plus,
I think Trevor's gonna be under a ton of pressure
once again. We don't know what the offensive line is
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going to look like exactly. But with that Rams front
going to be tough for him and for me. Situational football, right,
situational masters. Liam Cohen talks about all the time. McVay
is a master of that sort of thing. And I
think if it comes down to anything like that, the
Rams have the upper hand, and not just because of coaching.
And I think that McVay is better than Cohen. I
don't think that at all. But you have to have
your players all bought in and understanding that. And I
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don't know if the Jaguars right now, with the penalties
and the mistakes that they're making, if it comes down
to you know, having a late to make a late
drive and be really smart with the football and get
out of bounce to keep your time outs, just being
situationally smart, I don't know if they're there yet.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Well, boy, the dismal Gray London guys got to me.
Johnny Cheer over here, which is you know, always been
my name. Yeah, I am seeing the ray of light.
I'm ready to be wrong about that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Everybody is just to your point.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
He talked yesterday, Liam did about how Sean mcvagh gets
the team ready, how he is able to take a
tough situation and work through it, keep them up in
their energy level up and the Rams show up ready
to play every week because of the way that McVeigh
has managed that for seven years, and that's something he
admires and something he's trying to copy. So it will
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be interesting to see if you see something similar to
this from Lee from Liam this week in that vein.
Something he wants to get done is have those guys
ready to play. Just because I don't know that they
can overcome all of the mistakes that they make in
one week doesn't mean that they can't.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
There's a little bit of I'm teasing you guys about
being dismal. Also think about this, and this's and important
theme this week. You have Brendon Strange out, Trayvon's still
he's limited limited, you're now without Devin Lloyd. If you
could squeeze this one out and get to the by
five and two, beating them without those guys who are
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foundation pieces to me for this team, I guess I'm
feeding into the dismalness, but it would be a It's
going to be a tough lift and it would be
impressive if they can do it. Considering those circumstances, you.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Better have no more than four or five penalties if
you expect to win this game. Because those created the
long distance third down situations, they took away points when
you had scored them. You have got to play really
good football on Sunday at Wembley Stateium, good clean football.
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Speaker 6 (22:39):
We know who their good players are and have a
lot of respect for them. But the message this morning
was we've been to our game wreckers. You know, in
a lot of ways. We've played some really good opponents,
and we have a lot of respect for those opponents.
But until we look at ourselves and fix our mistakes,
it doesn't matter who we're playing.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Nam Cohen touched on some of the same points we do.
They have that game rerecords meeting where they talk about
some of you know, the best players they are going
to face on the upcoming team. But right now they're
wrecking the game for themselves in a bad way. So
just cleaning things up and getting back on track.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Well, you hope that a full week of practice helps
you in coverage because Greg Newsom has been here, right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I mean we saw him just briefly last week.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And I was watching him with the practice field yesterday,
and you know, he looked like he was more in
tune with what they want. Your coverage had better be
good because DeVante Adams can cause a lot of problems
for you.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, and you know the exposive players and another theme. They
gave up two last week and they were killers. Give
a thirteen first downs, but two sixty one yard passes
that counter that. But overall, you know, I think we've
hit the theme if they can. You know, you can't
back yourself up if you're walking backward a lot. It's
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hard to win in the NFL, and they walked backward
way too much last week.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
All right, guys, enjoy the game early morning on Sunday.
We'll be back with you later days in the week
once we travel back from the UK.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But enjoy it.
Welcome to JAGZAM today. Can Annie Stephens, Fran sext and
John Osier with you. It's afternoon here in England as
we get ready for the match against the Rams this
week in Wembley. But good morning to everybody back in Jacksonville.
For JAGXAM today, we're gonna talk a lot about the
opponent and what we're expecting this weekend. After a frustrating
loss against the Seahawks, they're going to try to rebound
coming up. So let's go over some of our big
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Big thing number.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
One is mentor versus protege. And I bring this up
because there's a couple of them, and in regards to
the Rams and the Jags, of course you have the
head coaching Sean McVay Rams and Liam Cohen who worked
previously for Sean McVay, but also when you're looking at
general managers as well, when we're talking about James Gladstone
who worked under Less Need for the Rams for a
long time as well, so Brian. A lot of what
they're trying to do is take some of the positive
(01:05):
and the successes that they've seen in LA and bring
them to Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Listen, when you talk to people who have worked in
the RAMS organization, and there's some people that I know
that still work in the RAMS organization, they talk about
the quality from the top to the bottom, the way
that they go about scouting players, coaching players, the way
that they treat their staff, the things that are important
to them. They have a very high standard and everyone
works towards that standard, which John is what I have
(01:29):
seen here in the early going. Since Tony Basseli, James Gladstone,
and Liam Cohen got.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Together, it feels that way.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And listen, there is a lot of affection between all
of the parties that Kai just mentioned because of the
success that they had and because of the quality of
people that they are.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
On a couple of thoughts, it's funny because they came
in together. Everybody thought like Liam and James were like buds, right,
and they really weren't in LA. But I think what
they both found they so I take this from sort
of listening to him. Once they got together, they were
very like minded because they had both been with the RAMS,
(02:09):
and they both feel the same way about football. Both
coaches kids that sort of thing. One thing about Gladstone,
in talking to people of the Rams, they knew as
soon as he got interviewed, they knew he was going
to be gone. He was that important, he was that
good to that organization. Look, I don't think the Jaguars
(02:30):
want to be Rams South, but Gladstone, I think it
was that the Combine did call the Rams the north Star.
It's a good organization to have as your guidepost. And
that's what it feels like. And you can feel what
you're talking about, Brian, the quality of individual that are involved,
in the quality of the way they do things.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And they win. I mean since they took over there,
they have.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
In the seven previous seasons to this one, they have
six playoff years, super Bowl appearances and one super Bowl
championships and.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
One playoff year they were decimated by any Yeah, it
was alway impossible for the the playoffs. So they've been
remarkably consistent.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Absolutely definitely something you want to base your franchise off of.
Let's go to our big thing Number two. We'll get
to the game a little bit and it's when push
comes to shove. We talked a ton about what the
offensive line did last week. Against Seahawks, how they struggled.
Trevor Lawrence talked about kind of moving on from that.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
You know, you can't take one game and freak out
and let let you lose sight of kind of the
progress you've made and the things that you have done well,
and you just got to get back to some of
the basics, some of the fundamentals. Just do the little
things well. We got to clean up the penalties, like
we've talked about, that's something that we can control. I
think if we start there, there'll be huge improvement. So
then beyond that, there's little things that we can find Toune,
(03:50):
but that's the starting point of us.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
John.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It's easier said than done, I'm sure, but trying to
get these penalties down and also on the offense, maybe
getting the running game going so they don't have to
pass as much and then thus seven sacks seventeen.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Quarterback hits I laughed when he said, you can't take
one game and freak out, because.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So the hands do. I mean, look, it is harder
than it sounds to reduce the penalties because a lot
of the penalties have come from them trying to learn
this offense trying to implement it, and it's complex and
it needs pre snap stuff and there's going to come
a point where they all get it. But until then,
Liam is trying to find that balance between pre snap
(04:32):
and just making sure you get it. But you have
to do pre snap because if you don't, you can't
read the defense. I do think getting the running game
going is key, not just for the run, but it
will help alleviate a lot of the pressure on the
quarterback because you'll be in better down in distance, which,
by the way, Brian, if you reduce the penalties, that
happens too. So cleaning up it's so easy. We all
(04:55):
talk about cleaning up right. Well, if it was easy,
it wouldn't be a mess in the first place. So
that is the goal and we'll see if they can
do it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There's a physical demand to this too, Kai when you
watch the tape, and I talked with Jeff Logan on
the practice field about this.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You had a rookie center and you had guys who
were seeing so much because they couldn't run. It felt
like they were taking an extra step backwards to give
themselves a little bit more space to read and react
to what was going on, and in doing so, they
were soft. They just gave up too much and by
the time Trevor Lawrence was ready to throw, there was
(05:30):
someone in his space the whole day. So they've got
to be stout for whatever that means. They've got to
be firm, they've got to hold the line of the
line of scrimmage. And it's important to remind people that
for the first five weeks in the season they did
just that. They only gave up six sacks. They created
room in the running game. Last week, at least in
the course of this season is the anomaly. So we'll
(05:51):
see if they can get back to that where they
don't give up a little bit of extra space, where
they're stronger, more firm at the point of attack. Although
that's challenge this week because obviously you've got Verse and
Young and Kobe Turner in the middle. Jaguars are going
to have to fix some things on the practice field today,
tomorrow and Saturday to be ready for it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, Britain Strange being out too doesn't help here. And
it's not that he's a pass blocker per se, but
he's a great run blocker. So all of a sudden
you're getting a little less in the run game. And
again it circles back to if the running game is
not working, it's a lot harder to pass protect.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
All comes together, our final big thing today is going
to be top priority. We've talked about this to some
degree every week, I think at this point, but Travis
Hunter on offense, Is this the week we see more
involvement from him in the past game?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Please? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean every time he's got the ball in his hands,
you see what makes him special. There's there have not
been many receivers in Jaguars history that have the movement skills.
I mean not to say they can't run a jump
like you can, but I mean he just he's got
that something, that X factor that it about him. Throw
the ball to him as often as you can. But
you know that's what the Rams are going to try
(06:58):
and take him away.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Rights true, because they have tried. They've had things in
for Travis Hunter, and there's been times where Trevor's missed him.
Quite frankly, there's been times where it's in and then
you don't get the pass off or there's pressure. So
they're gonna keep trying. One thing I do know, you know,
I get a lot of questions, should he be playing
(07:19):
less on offense? Should be playing but there's no inclination
to play him less. The inclination is they think he's
might be their best cornerback, so he's gonna play there, yep.
And they want to keep trying to get him the
ball on offense because this team lacks big plays. Still,
you don't take this kid out if you want big plays.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
What's remarkable is how patient he's been. Right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean, so many receivers in this league when they
don't see the ball. Garrett Wilson in New York is
a great example, because he was so demonstrative here in
London last week about the game plan and how it
didn't work to get him involved. There's no there's no
sense of that from Travis Hunter, and comprobed by the
fact that he's we played for Dean Sanders, you'd expect
(08:03):
to see more of that, and you don't. He's remarkably humble.
He does want the football because he wants to help
his team win.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And I think we'll see more of that at some point,
and I'm hoping it's this week. Say with us here,
we'll look ahead and deep dive a little bit into
what the Rams are bringing to the table this weekend.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
We've protected at a high level in a lot of ways.
Last week was a tough go, so they know, we
all know it takes truly, not just those guys up front.
We've got to help them and have a responsibility as coaches,
but also hey, stepping up to the plate and worrying
about us. Let's go get better at our sets, the
way that we slide and pass protection, the way that
we protect our fundamentals, our techniques, and worry about those
(08:51):
things and not so much the guys that we're playing against.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Silliam Cohen talking about addressing some of the offensive line problems,
but Brian, that's a lot easier said than done when
you're going up against what the Rams are going to
be trotting out there this week.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Absolutely, we talked a little bit about it in the
last segment. But you've got Brian, Byron Young who has
seven and a half sacks, the second most in the NFL,
at Jared Verus who has three and last week combined
for three, and Kobe Turner on the inside, who can
be a wrecking ball. He's not Aaron Donald, but he's very,
very good. So you've got to maybe you get Robert
Hansey back this week. We don't know what I mean,
find out this week how he practices. But you've got
(09:28):
a lot to do.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, sometimes you have a tough game and you get
better the next week and everybody says, well, who'd you play?
You won't have that problem this week. It'll be a test.
I trust they can pass the test. I don't think
what they did wrong against Seattle is necessarily not fixable.
I think the Rams will get some sacks, but again
it's going to depend on They've got to run, and
(09:49):
it doesn't have to be for one hundred and forty yards,
but they have to make the Rams respect the run.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
The Rams aren't nearly as good against the run, at
least they haven't been this year as Seattle is, so
they should be able to find some room open.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Things up a little bit. I find the coaching matchup interesting.
It's always interesting when you're kind of facing an offense
that maybe yours is built off of. To some respect,
I asked Cohen yesterday at the presser, kind of is
that weird? Is it a pros it a con? He said,
it's a little bit of a chess match. But he
spent some time this week talking with the tensive Corneers
about game planning, and he said that was helpful for
(10:22):
him to kind of lay things out for coach Campanelli.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
So many of the ball plays are similar that you
see each week. What makes Sean and those guys, I
think different. It is just the details that go into it,
in the amount of how specific emotions are, how efficient
they are at their operation pre snap identifying it what
they're looking for maybe in some of these plays, whether
(10:47):
they're can To run or Canada pass, Canada screens, whatever
it is. I think that's where he has a notch above.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
John.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Liam obviously has a ton of respect for McVeigh and
what they've done with that organization. It's so it's kind
of interesting to know a little bit of the insider details,
but you also have to work on your own game plan.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well. I think where it gets interesting is and Liam
alluded to this when he was talking there's no mystery
when Liam's coaching against McVeigh. There's no mystery about where
he's coming from, and there's no mystery about why they're
going to do certain things. And I think he said
situationally is when he'll sort of know, Okay, Sean's going
(11:29):
to do this here and he's going to try to
get somebody isolated here. I'm sure that's helped in game planning.
So it as we've listened to Liam this year, and
you guys have listened to him the same way I have.
You see why the McVeigh tree and the way they
approach football is starting to be the thing in the league.
(11:51):
There are certain coaches who define generations, Gibbs Walsh, these guys,
the McVeigh approach is starting to define the NFL. So
these you guys are both well versed in it, and
there won't be any mysteries on either side about sort
of why the other team's doing things. I think I
think guys right, she's been on all week. I think
it's the fascinating matchup it is.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And you can also, though, expect that Liam will use
some of the other influences that he's gained from his
time at Kentucky, you know, from his time with Todd
Bowles and that staff over in Tampa Bay, to try
to cloud it right, muddy the water's a little bit
plan give him some things that maybe he has not seen,
which is advantage to him because Sean has been there
(12:32):
doing the same things over and over. Now you could say, well,
Sean's brought new coaches in and had other influence as well. Absolutely,
there are those chess pieces where it's like, how do
I disguise what he thinks I'm going to do?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And that'll make it a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Let's talk a little bit about the quarterback matchup, Brian.
You asked Cohen yesterday a little bit about what makes
Stafford so special. Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Yeah, I don't trust those eyes. Now, don't trust his eyes,
but we've talked to it. It's this full command of
the operation that ultimately we have to be great with
our disguises, we have to be great with our spot
drop coverages. We've got to try to affect the pocket
obviously in a lot of ways. But he has such
a great way of dissecting pre snap and then operating
(13:20):
post snap.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Don't trust the eyes, Listen.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
He's got seventeen years in professional football, and even when
he was in Detroit, he was a guy who was very,
very talented. What he's done with Sean McVay out there
and winning like he has has just given you a
greater sense of the type of talent that he is.
I remember standing on the practice field on Friday after
the Rams Niners Thursday night game a couple weeks back
(13:48):
and listening to liab raving about the things that Matt
Stafford did, and he called him the og.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I mean, the guy's just they're.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So smart and has seen almost everything over the course
of his career. You can't discount It's that's a key matchup.
It's one of the things that the Rams have on
their side every Sunday, but this week that's a guy
who could really cause a lot of problems for Well.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think it's the thing that a lot of people
overlook about the Rams because Safford's been around forever. He's
never been like the best quarterback in the league on
a given years, so you know, nobody talks about him
a whole lot, but seventeen years he has seen everything.
On the Huddle Up Podcast yesterday, Bucky Brooks I thought,
really broke down Stafford well and talked about how unselfish
(14:34):
he is. It doesn't have to be his game. He
can manage it and then when it's time for it
to be his game, he's capable of making plays. Look
what Liam said. I was kind of laughing when Liam
was talking about it. He's great pre snap and Greek
and great post nap, which great. What else is there
going to dinner? I mean, he's very good. He can
(14:57):
run it and you're not going to fool him a
whole lot. So Look, he's high end and he may
not have his best receiver this week, which which couldn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It does help.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
But he also had Devanta Adams who had.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
One hundred andy eight yards or two fourth quarter touchdowns
for the Jets against the Jags last year.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That one still Yeah, Yes, I think that's a good point, John,
because we've been talking a ton. Puka Nakua has not
practiced so far this week. We'll see what happens on Thursday.
But DeVante Adams got after us pretty good and he's
still talented.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I don't think any Jaguars fans are gonna forget that
for a while.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well, and this year the Jaguars have allowed a couple
of guys to go off right. Last week we saw
one hundred and what fifty yards one hundred and sixty
yards from at Jamar Chase had won sixty five at
Nico Collins had the fourth quarter touchdown one.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Hundred and four yards.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
The secondary has given up two great receivers, some big performances,
some great production this year, so they've got to tighten
it up absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Also, what's dangerous about the RAMS is you think about
a Cooper Cup was very, very good and then when
he started to Wanne was very good. I'm not calling
them system wide receivers, but somebody in that offense is
going to get theirs if it's running right. So don't
just necessarily think if they're best guys out there, they're
not going to be.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Good, says on Jagzam. Coming up, we'll give you our
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our best to predict the future of what the headlines
are going to be on Monday morning after this game
on Sunday at Wembley, Brian, what do you think they're
(16:52):
going to look?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, I'll go with friends and foes.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it's going to feel very friendly before the game.
Obviously for the reasons that you elaborated on at the top.
It's been a great storyline to follow all week long.
I don't think that Liam Cohen is going to walk
off feeling very chummy.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I don't like this matchup very much.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I think that the Rams are quietly a much better
team than people see them as right now because of
their record. They went to Philadelphia and probably should have
knocked off the Eagles at a moment where the Eagles
were really charging. I think the Gigers have the pieces
to be able to go do this, and I love
with his coach and his coaching staff for doing John.
I just think that a team that's so mistake prone,
(17:31):
I mean, they just shoot themselves in the foot over
and over and over. Now, they didn't done Monday Night football,
and they got the job done. But right now that
the holding penalties that the quarterback's not been entirely accurate.
I just have a hard time seeing them getting over
this hump. I'll take four and three going into the
bye week is with the extra time to really dial
(17:52):
in on the mistake that they make, the mistakes that
they make over and over and get ready for the
second half of the season, which I think is a
much more favorable skit.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Joel, Yeah, I think what you worry about is the
Rams are one of those teams that can get tempo going,
and if things are going against you early, they can
take advantage of it. You worry about some mistakes and
the Rams getting a double digit lead and not being
able to get back into it because you're so negative
all the time. I went with a rapid response, and
(18:22):
I'm with you, Brian, I'm worried about this game. I
thought before the season this Seahawks Rams stretch was really dangerous,
and everybody was talking about the Chiefs and then you
know there are two very quietly good teams that can
get you if you're not playing well. But I went
rapid response because I think it's their first chance to
(18:46):
really respond to real adversity. When they lost to Cincinnati,
it was very easy and probably correct to say well,
we should have won the game, because they probably should
have won the game. They were up, They had dominated
that whole game, and you felt good about it. You
didn't have the same good feelings after Seattle, even though
to their credit, they were good enough to have figured
(19:07):
out a way maybe get back into that game but couldn't.
But they didn't outplay the Seahawks. So it's their first
chance to sort of say, hey, we don't have to
feel this way about ourselves. And then if they get
back into it the rapid see all words matter here.
I think if they're going to do it, I think
before the season we all thought dynamic offense, big plays.
(19:30):
Brian Thomas junior Travis Hunter hasn't been there. If they're
gonna win, I think they have to get plays out
of those guys.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
My prediction is it's not necessarily negative. I think I
would love to see I would love them to play
the Rams again, like maybe mid season next year, because
I feel for me, it just feels early to kind
of judge where the Liam Cohen regime is at. Plus,
I think Trevor's gonna be under a ton of pressure
once again. We don't know what the offensive line is
(19:57):
going to look like exactly. But with that Rams front
going to be tough for him and for me. Situational football, right,
situational masters. Liam Cohen talks about all the time. McVay
is a master of that sort of thing. And I
think if it comes down to anything like that, the
Rams have the upper hand, and not just because of coaching.
And I think that McVay is better than Cohen. I
don't think that at all. But you have to have
your players all bought in and understanding that. And I
(20:19):
don't know if the Jaguars right now, with the penalties
and the mistakes that they're making, if it comes down
to you know, having a late to make a late
drive and be really smart with the football and get
out of bounce to keep your time outs, just being
situationally smart, I don't know if they're there yet.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Well, boy, the dismal Gray London guys got to me.
Johnny Cheer over here, which is you know, always been
my name. Yeah, I am seeing the ray of light.
I'm ready to be wrong about that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Everybody is just to your point.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
He talked yesterday, Liam did about how Sean mcvagh gets
the team ready, how he is able to take a
tough situation and work through it, keep them up in
their energy level up and the Rams show up ready
to play every week because of the way that McVeigh
has managed that for seven years, and that's something he
admires and something he's trying to copy. So it will
(21:12):
be interesting to see if you see something similar to
this from Lee from Liam this week in that vein.
Something he wants to get done is have those guys
ready to play. Just because I don't know that they
can overcome all of the mistakes that they make in
one week doesn't mean that they can't.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
There's a little bit of I'm teasing you guys about
being dismal. Also think about this, and this's and important
theme this week. You have Brendon Strange out, Trayvon's still
he's limited limited, you're now without Devin Lloyd. If you
could squeeze this one out and get to the by
five and two, beating them without those guys who are
(21:48):
foundation pieces to me for this team, I guess I'm
feeding into the dismalness, but it would be a It's
going to be a tough lift and it would be
impressive if they can do it. Considering those circumstances, you.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Better have no more than four or five penalties if
you expect to win this game. Because those created the
long distance third down situations, they took away points when
you had scored them. You have got to play really
good football on Sunday at Wembley Stateium, good clean football.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
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Speaker 6 (22:39):
We know who their good players are and have a
lot of respect for them. But the message this morning
was we've been to our game wreckers. You know, in
a lot of ways. We've played some really good opponents,
and we have a lot of respect for those opponents.
But until we look at ourselves and fix our mistakes,
it doesn't matter who we're playing.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Nam Cohen touched on some of the same points we do.
They have that game rerecords meeting where they talk about
some of you know, the best players they are going
to face on the upcoming team. But right now they're
wrecking the game for themselves in a bad way. So
just cleaning things up and getting back on track.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Well, you hope that a full week of practice helps
you in coverage because Greg Newsom has been here, right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I mean we saw him just briefly last week.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And I was watching him with the practice field yesterday,
and you know, he looked like he was more in
tune with what they want. Your coverage had better be
good because DeVante Adams can cause a lot of problems
for you.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, and you know the exposive players and another theme. They
gave up two last week and they were killers. Give
a thirteen first downs, but two sixty one yard passes
that counter that. But overall, you know, I think we've
hit the theme if they can. You know, you can't
back yourself up if you're walking backward a lot. It's
(23:54):
hard to win in the NFL, and they walked backward
way too much last week.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
All right, guys, enjoy the game early morning on Sunday.
We'll be back with you later days in the week
once we travel back from the UK.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But enjoy it.
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