March 7, 2025 • 50 mins
J.P. Shadrick and Jeff Lageman react to the breaking news on air of the trading of Wide Receiver Christian Kirk to the Houston Texans. The crew also dissects other departures including Mitch Morse's retirement. Jeff names some players currently on the roster who could step up, and what these moves mean for the Draft and the looming free agency period. This Thursday edition of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Dream Finders Homes.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It is Thursday, March sixth This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by dream Finders'
Homes and now coming in like a lion and going
out like a lion with less hair. J. P.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Shackrick and welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour. JP Shadrick,
Jeff Logoman, Busy hour ahead, and here's what's coming up
on the show today. The Jaguars planning to release Christian Kirk.
We'll get to that. Mitch Morse has announced his retirement.
That was earlier today. We'll discuss what that means for
(00:46):
the Jaguars moving ahead, a free agency preview, and the
aftermath of the NFL Scouting Combine. All that on dech today.
Jaguars Happy Hour presented by dream Finders Homes, official homebuilder
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now, Hello, are you doing fantastic? How about you?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Good? Doing really well?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
How did you uh? How did you do it? The
forty yard dash of the combine?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
If you put a ham sandwich out there, I will
run really fast.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Have you ever thought about doing that? You know, kind
of like a rich eyesend thing, or you do the forty.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'd have to really, you know, scratch.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We should ran after we should we should have a
contest me and you maybe to see who.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean you you think you could beat me?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I know, Oh, we we gotta have a little we
gotta have a little wager on.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean, your daughter was just in here talking about
how old you are. I know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So, so are we gonna do this or are we
gonna have a little I'm down for it. I mean
I'm not exactly the cheetah, neither are you speak for yourself.
And people are gonna want to pay faster than I
look see to see me and you race right, But
it would be interesting. I would have to do this
in a very controlled fashion, very controlled.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This reminds me. This hearkens back to the early days,
and we kind of first got started on the digital
side here on Jaguars dot com. I challenged Baselli to
the five k through the stadium.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, how'd that go?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It didn't go well? Yeah? I stayed with him. This
is before his bad hip again.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But it was a bad hip, but it was it
had gotten really bad.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It hadn't like broken in half. Yeah at that point.
I stayed with him for like a half mile, and
then I couldn't keep out. He just kept going, that's
not very that's not very good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm like, whoa, Okay, so you're so what you're saying
is is that you're meant for shorter distance.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm a sprinter, That's what I'm saying. Come on, man, I.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Look like I remember the combine. Gosh, it was a
long time ago, obviously, in nineteen eighty nine, but and
it's obviously it's changed tremendously to where it's become a
media event, and it wasn't so much of one back then.
But the uh, the amount of fanfare that it gets
is really amazing considering that all it really is is
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a medical check for the most part. But the media
side of it has made it an attraction, which is
good for the NFL. It's good for the game. But
I don't know if I don't get glued to it,
you know, but some people think it's great.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We went to the combine and I could have cared
less about the workouts on the field. We left before
most of the position Grews even got on the field.
We were out of town, so that's changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I would love to know, honestly, what percentage of general
managers in the National Football League actually watch it, you know,
whether they're they're in person, or they're in their office
watching the stream on the NFL network or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But I mean, I would.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Think that it would be an incredible waste of time
for a GM to watch the combine. Well, give me
the numbers, give me the medical facts, and okay, let
me spend my time watching film. If general managers are
spending more time watching the combine performance, then they are
watching film.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That team's got a problem. The medical part. Yes. The interviews, Yeah,
that's the important part of the beast too.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Right, I'm not a big I don't know if I'm
a big proponent of that even Well, and the reason
why is it Look, I mean, look, and I've watched
a lot of the interviews that have happened. It's just Look,
you can prepare yourself. You can prepare a client, if
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you're an agent, you can prepare anybody to sound good
for ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
The proper way is you want to interview people and
you want to be able to talk ball and all that.
But I like the idea of when they come into
your facility and it's not in a control environment where
there's a clock about to go off and say okay,
times up, because I think anybody can put on an
act for a period of time. The most important thing
(05:06):
is not so much of the interview. To me, it's
about vetting the player. It's talking to people that have
been around him, wherever he's been and where he's currently
at right now, people that aren't going to just give
you political mumbo jumbo to impress upon you that the
players a great guy. I want to find out for real,
(05:28):
how did he react in certain situations going back to
high school to college and you know, what kind of
a teammate is he? What does he do when nobody's
looking that kind of the thing. And I think that's
the proper vetting. And I don't know if we actually
as an organization have done the proper amount of that.
In our history. We've drafted some players that have had
some questionable backgrounds, and I think if you properly vetted
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guys that some of that would not have happened. And
the other part of that I think is, Look, you're
getting ready to invest millions million dollars, if you're getting
ready to get in a relationship with somebody from a
business standpoint, you're committing five, ten, twenty million dollars to
somebody in a business relationship. Why would you not want
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to have all the facts and information that you possibly
could on that player?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean to me, you got you got to spend.
You got to have the resources in house or to
commit the resources to have somebody out of house. Actually
do the vetting to make sure that you're making good decisions, because,
as the new general manager said, intangibly rich players are
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the kind you want, and you don't find out about
those intangibles unless you're properly vetting the player.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
How that works. We'll get back to the combine here
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It is Jaguars Happy Hour. Those dudes kind of popped
yesterday on social media that the Jaguars were expected to
part ways with Christian Kirk. That has not officially happened yet.
Who reported that, By the way, everybody and the whole
was there an initial sorce or say sources say the
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Jags are gonna get rid of Kirk? Yeah, I would
say about ten million dollars on the salary cap next year.
A guy who missed a lot of football eleven hundred
yards in twenty twenty two, only twenty games played over
the last two seasons combined, which.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Is obviously one of the main reasons why his numbers
weren't what they were going back to twenty twenty two.
Christian Kirk's still a good football player, a very good
football player. Now, look, I I would hope that the
door and I don't think you should close the door
on anybody for the most part, unless it's you know,
a bad character guy, then you can slam the door.
(08:08):
But when you have a good football player where maybe
the pay is not commasure it with the play. Then
I think there's a there's a point where maybe you
can get there, and sometimes it takes releasing the player,
uh in order to get to that. And so I
would like to think that door, the door is not closed.
Maybe there's a possibility of him coming back on maybe
(08:30):
a better number. I know that Liam con had said,
the head coach had said what a few weeks ago
about how you'd like to have Trevor Lawrence kind of
involved on some of the decisions when it comes to
you know, this football team. I think that's one of
Trevor's best friends, right and one of his favorite targets.
So you know, until something actually happened, let's kind of
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wait and see what actually happens.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's a lot of money on the sideline though if
he's not playing. He hasn't finished the last two seasons,
no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, and that's look, availability always supersedes ability, and
that everybody knows that. And availability is one of the
key components to be able to reach the end of
a contract, and not many guys do. So I hope
there's a way to keep him. I think he's a
good football player. If there's a way to get to
a number that that is better reflects the production over
(09:22):
the last couple of years than I think you got
to consider maybe bringing him back.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's Parker Washington ready to step in.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I think Parker Washington is super ready for the next step.
You know, if I had a choice between Christian Kirk
and Parker Washington, I mean that's you know, if you
said you can only keep one, right, you kind of
lean towards Parker just because he's younger. But he's but
he's different, you know, see Parker. A lot of people
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look at Parker because of his statue right, shorter, bulky.
They think that he is nothing but maybe a slot receiver.
And I don't think really anything would be farther from
the truth. I think Parker Washington has the ability to
move outside and also have great success outside. I think
Christian Kirk is more of a true slot guy. Parker,
(10:10):
I think is more of a of an outside guy.
But he's also incredibly strong. I think the yards after
the catch I think a little bit better than Christian Kirks,
but both good football players and Parker being younger, sometimes
you gotta take that leap of faith and commit to
the younger guys.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Sometimes That's what I mean. Christian is not designed to
be running those routes down the field a lot of
times where he got hurt. Right If he's supposed to
be a slot guy, he's forced outside sometimes a little
bit out of place.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I think the biggest concern right now when it comes
to the offense and the wide receiver position is Gabe
Davis's number. The production last year did not match where
you would like to have him be at for the
number that he's at, and you're committed to him. You know,
when I say you're committed to him, you know he
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he's going to be on this football team. I'm pretty
sure of that from a cap standpoint. And you've got
to get the productivity to match where his number is
at right now. And I hope that it can get there.
But it's not like you can just move on from
from Gabe Davis. But Nope, did not have a great
year last year. And you know, and look, the reality
(11:22):
is that Trevor was hurt too, and you know, you
had a backup quarterback in and there are a lot
of things that you know, new system. I mean, all
of those things are I think are factoring in. But
you know, again, production needs to equal the pay level,
and it did not last year.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, it was still cost excuse me for Gabe Davis.
He signed a three year, thirty nine million dollar contract,
cap hits six point four. The dead caps twenty point
three on him this year.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So yeah, he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, now next.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Year, well, I don't want to say that. I want
you never say never. I mean, you know, I'm think
there's always a way that he could end up not
being here, But I don't think that's a that's gonna happen.
I think he will be here, you know. And I look,
I was excited about the acquisition of him last year
just because he he's crafty. He does a great job
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as far as making the field stretch. Not that he's
a burner, but he's a crafty, deep deep ball wide receiver.
And uh, you know, I think there's some things that
he can do to you know, to become a better teammate,
to be more productive and to be more of a
productive player for this football team. And if he can
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and he can put up some of those numbers that
he's put up in the past in Buffalo, then then
he's worth the pay.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Let's come back in a moment. We'll get to the
news of today. Mitch Morse announcing his retirement.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, that's a good conversation because there's some people that
are saying some things about that that are just way
off though. I can't wait to hear this and somebody,
you know who I'm talking about. I sure guy got
a big mouth.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Doesn't narrow it down at all.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Initial Oh yeah, back in a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
This is Jackular's happy hour.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Three frogs approach, and it certainly sounds like that's how
it is set up. And having Tony BASSELLI back involved,
I think it's just a home run with Jacksonville franchise,
and this is something.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Really wants to do. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And when you see that and you hear that the
passion that he's going to bring to this job. This
man loves the Jaguars, he loves the organization. He wants
to be part of a group that gets him back
to where things were when he was rolling out there.
So yeah, I really like where they're going. I don't
know James Gladstone as well as I hope to down
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down the road. And that's as kind of Liam Cohen
I was able to meet last year as the offense
corner of the Buccaneers, and I could not have been
more impressed. I came away from that one going whoa
first time might ever meet him and spent time with him,
and I was juice coming out there.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
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Speaker 3 (14:37):
The hat that he was currently wearing was a Tiger
Woods hat.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I that's true. Yeah, she's got some golf experience too.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Charles Dave's great guy, one of the all time great
guys and the NFL media that I've had the opportunity
to meet over the many years that I've been involved,
not only as a player but as a broadcaster, and
I'm a big fan of his work. I think he
does a great job. Great job, great guy, great job.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
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Speaker 3 (15:16):
Some guy in the other room named Joe, he always
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Speaker 2 (15:19):
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Jaguars YouTube. Glad you're with us. Jaguars Happy Hour today, Okay,
Jaguars centered. After ten years in the NFL, Mitch Morse
today announced his retirement from the National Football League. Brandon Sheriff,
the right guard, is a pending free agent as well,
so the salty vets in the middle of the offensive
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line most likely are no longer here anymore. Well, and look,
congratulations to Mitch Morse. He's He's had a really, really
a great career, been a good football players, played a
lot of football. And I was, I.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Guess somebody said something to it. I went and looked
at it. Sure enough, it was Pete Prisco of the
K the PP initials that I was referring to before
we took a commercial break. And in response, because you know,
d Rock posted the information that that Mitch Morris was
announcing his retirement and then Prisco made a reply to
(16:18):
that and says another bulky gem of a signing and
kind of being sarcastic.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't know if he's being sarcastic or not. Well,
I mean it kind of gives you.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I mean when he uses the term gem and you know,
it's kind of yeah, it's a little look. And here's
the reality. Mitch Morris was a good signing. Okay, there's
a lot of things you might be able to criticize
Trent balky on, but that's not one of them. He
upgraded this and now you can criticize, you know, some
other things about some roster moves, but Mitch Morris is
a good football player and he upgraded the center position.
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He upgraded the offensive line this past year. Look, you're
not going to be able to go out there and
just upgrade it to a Pro Bowl caliber player whenever
you want to, especially at the center position. Definitely not
a the tackle position. But he was a good player
for this team.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
What was he best at and where were some areas
that he lacked?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
He didn't make any mistakes, Okay, he did a great
job of leadership along the offensive line. I think he
made the guys around him better, and most importantly, he
upgraded the performance of the position from Luke Fortner and
and that was really what was needed at that position.
And so and I thought Mitch the one thing he
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did a really good job good in pass protection, never
got just flat out beat quickly. At times he would
get overpowered because it's just you know, he didn't have
that strength of being in a phone booth kind of battle.
He could probably say the same thing about Brandon Sheriff
a little bit, that he didn't have the strength bit
to win the battle in the phone booth. But two
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good football players. And I don't want people to talk badly,
you know, look at you. They're entitled to if they
want to. But I thought that Mitch Morrison Brandon share
for good football players for this football team. Would you
like to upgrade it and get you know, the big, strong,
you know, move them all for the line of scrimmage player, Sure,
but also appreciate those players for the job that they've
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done here. If you're talking about issues with the offensive line,
I wouldn't say that those two were the primary problem.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
This is where you want to get away from spending
big in free agency in a position like that. Right, Well,
draft that and develop it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, I mean, look you've you've you've tried to draft
and develop that. I mean fact of the matter. Look,
you drafted Fortner that hasn't worked out yet. Last year,
you lost what I thought was going to be the
future air parent at right guard to to a horrific injury.
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And Cooper Hodges. I'm an I'm a huge fan of
Cooper Hodges, and I hope that his rehab goes well.
From what I understand, it's a long road back, you know,
so sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. And this
team hasn't done a great enough job of drafting offensive
lineman and developing them. You know, they spent some high
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picks on on the tackles, but they haven't really drafted
and developed many offensive linemen over the years, and I
think that's one of the things that held this team back.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Ben Barks is now playing for the San Francisco forty.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, and he's you know, he's a kind of a
bubble player. You know, when he was here, his feet
weren't great. Strong guy, but feet weren't great. And he's
kind of been a you know, part time starter for
the forty nine ers. I don't think he's a front
line guy. And maybe he's developed into that, but when
he was here, he was not a front line guy, right,
but a strong guy, but a strong guy.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But you still maybe get he's gone now it doesn't matter, Yeah,
but you got me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Look, I mean, look, the reality is is that you know,
Sheriff's going to be a free agent. Mitch Morris is retired,
which I didn't think he would retire. I thought he
would continue playing. He still can play in the NFL.
I mean, and you know, if you had to rank
him as far as amongst centers in the National Football League,
you'd probably put.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Him in that third quartal. We've got some breaking news.
Tom Pelasero of NFL Network tweeting out on x just
moments ago that the Jaguars are sending Christian Kirk to
the Texans. A twenty twenty six seventh round pick coming
to Jacksonville for Christian Kirk. The Texans take on the
existing contract sixteen and a half million this year, the
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final year of his deal. And that is a real
tweet from a really count So just moments ago, literally
five minutes ago, that was announced on Twitter. Tom Pelasio
with a report NFL Network, Christian Kirk traded to the
Houston Texans in the division trade fairly rare.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's very rare. And look, the Texans tank Dell's
got prett significant knee injury that he's coming back from.
And then the guy that they got from the Buffalo Bills,
Diggs Digs, stefan On Dicks. Stefon Diggs is gone and
he had an injury last year as well. So the
Texans are looking for players and that's that's a good
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landing spot for Christian Kirk. I mean, it's a division,
so you kind of stick with some familiar faces that
playing weekend and week out. And then on top of that,
Nico Collins might be one of the best top five
wide receivers in football in my opinion. So Christian Kirk's
going to a place that there's a lot of attention
that's going to be going to the other side.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Of the field. Right. And now the Jaguars get out
of that contract and ten millions in cap savings ballpark
with Kirk. Yes, yes, but I mean sixteen and a
half million contracts going all the way to the Texans, right,
So right there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So I mean I wish them well, it was Christian
Kirk's super solid guy. Oh, fantastic to deal with. Super
solid guy. I mean just you know, one of the
top guys that's ever come through here as far as
high character guy, good football player, and uh was what
this team needed at at the time that he signed.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Okay, so there you have it. That just happened moments ago,
the Jaguars trading Christian Kirk to the Houston Texans. Are you,
in general a fan of in division trades? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I don't, Okay, I do.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm not a you know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Look, I mean, here's the reality, because everybody's worried. Okay,
do you trade in the conference? Do you trade in
the division because like, oh, you don't want to make
your opponents better. Look, if you're trading the guy, you
feel like you can upgrade from that guy, right, I mean,
that's the whole purpose of doing that, is that you
can upgrade your team by trading that player. Maybe not
upgrade that position, but maybe the Jaguars now feel like, hey, look,
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with that cap savings, we can now allocate those dollars
to get better in some other position, and maybe we
feel really good about the young guys that we have
with Parker Washington and Brian Thomas Junior and some of
the other guys, and also the possibility as a future
draft pick, and maybe we need to allocate those dollars
of paying offensive lineman, I mean wherever that may be.
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As long as you can improve your team by trading
that player, I don't care where that player goes.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Let's come back in a moment plenty more ahead on
a busy day as we lead into the NFL league year.
Next week, this twenty twenty five season will officially begin,
free agency will get underway. We'll discuss some pending free
agents for the Jaguars. Coming up again. Christian Kirk just
moments ago traded to the Houston Texans. Mitch Morris announced
(23:35):
his retirement today and this is Jaguars happy hour.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Most people know that he cut his teeth a bit
with the Rams. He actually was a Kentucky the year
that Will Levis had a terrific season in Kentucky. But
what struck me about the Bucks run game last year
was how multiple it was. Because you know, everybody assumes, hey,
he was with the Rams, so it's the zone run game.
(24:09):
You know, the McVeigh run game. But I thought they
did a really really good job with the multiplicity of
the run game and the way they got to base run.
See the main thing in the run game, there's not
a thousand run concepts, so it's really how you get
to them. It's funny. I had this conversation with a
coach this morning because and I even asked him. I said,
you know, you hear people say so, and so it's
(24:32):
a really good run game. Coach like, what does that mean?
You know you're a defensive guy, what does that mean?
And you know, he talked about how teams get to runs,
formation motions, you know, misdirection looks, you know, but the
then when the run happens, like I said, there's not
a thousand of them.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That is Greg Coach. Cell of the NFL Films and
NFL Matchup, Welcome Back, It's Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shadwick,
Jeff Lagam, Great Cosel, the nephew of the great, late
great Howard Cosell. Does a great job with the NFL
films and all the matchup on ESPN. Yeah, yeah, it
does a good job really breaking down film and doing
(25:11):
the whole thing. On social media, and nice to visit
with him at the combine again. All the interviews at
Jaguars do common together on one video on Jaguars YouTube.
And it's a busy time of year at Daily's place logs,
very busy Zach Top last night out of nowhere? And
how old is he?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Young twenties, young twenty six?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, you were telling me the story that he was
going to be playing a local place and then it
literally sold out, and then he moved it to Daily's
Place a couple of days before and then sold out,
sold out last night.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Zach Top, unbelieved z a c right, Yes, Zach Top,
he was fantastic. Got to add him to my Spotify.
He was great, all right, So great crowd last night.
Coming up March firfteenth to Coraif for band, that's Jimmy
Buffet's backing band, Tricking Concert. Teddy Swims made tenth tea
paid added May thirty. First sticks This is up your
(26:03):
Alley Sticks with Kevin Cronin and Don Felder June second
log like the real original Sticks. I don't know how
many are left, but I'm sure there are probably some
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the Dailies again. The breaking news just moments ago, Christian
Kirk traded to the Houston Texans for a seventh round
draft pick in twenty twenty six. Earlier today, Mitch Morris
announcing his retirement from the National Football League. And we're
less than a week away from NFL free agency beginning
in the start of the league year. So a lot
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of pending free agents for the Jaguars. Do you bring
some back? Do you not? How many? You know? All
that's in play right now too. So there's a lot
of business being dealt here in Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, and it's getting ready to get pretty ight the
next week, right, I mean, doesn't the legal periods time?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, the legal tampering period, if you will, the Monday
and Tuesday and then Tuesday, and that's.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
What it's I mean, look, it's already started. Let's let's
not kid ourselves, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Here though everywhere else in the league. Yeah, look, I'm
with you.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I hear you.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, the the conversations are happening, however they need to happen.
But I mean the reality is that by creating a
tampering period, a known tampering period, essentially the league is
acknowledging that we cannot stop it. So we're just gonna
call it a legal tampering period because we know it's
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going to happen even before the legal tampering period. Once
we put that name on it, it is what it is,
you know. And look, uh, looking at the free agent list,
I think it's a little bit slim pickens this year.
You're going to be able to, I think, fill some
holes on your roster, which I think is always the
main object of free agency. But I mean you're not
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gonna get any stars. I don't think you're gonna get
guys that all have some kind of chinks in the armor,
so to speak. I think the interesting one is is
Joey Bosa. Now, who is guys out there now after
getting released by the Charger And what will that do
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to the market of events. I mean, Sweats kind of
was that top guy on the market. Now you put
a boas out there and just the name itself attracts
a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And then Bengals are letting Trey Hendrickson look for a
trade deal. Yeah, I mean that's I mean, gosh, that's
gonna be I.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Mean, while it's a lot of money, and then it's
also it's gonna you're it's gonna the price is gonna
be high. You're talking in an elite pass rusher. Arguably
the best pass rusher in the last two years in
the league, right, I mean from a number standpoint, he.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Beat everybody by like three sacks last year.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, I mean the last two years he's been right there.
I mean, he's his numbers have I think, beat Miles
Garrett by a couple of sacks each year.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
That's another guy that could look for it. Which which
is they? He doesn't he wants out. Oh yeah. Look.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And and and the Browns where he's at. They just
kicked the can down the road even further with the
Shaun Watson deal. I mean, the worst signing in NFL history,
and the Cleveland Browns continue to just kick the can
down the road. At some point you got to pay
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the piper. You're just gonna have to grin and Barrett
and do it. At one point, at what point can
they just release the guy and say, you know what,
we'll just spread the cap it over X number of years.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Could probably do that. I don't know. Maybe they feel
they should still.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Get some of it, but I mean, that's that's like
such a bad situation, and I mean, that's one of
the reasons why Miles Garrett wants out. It was the
worst contract in NFL history there was you had a
reason to have to to essentially proceed with caution with
Deshaun Watson. It wasn't like the allegations weren't out there
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when they signed them, you know, and it wasn't like
they popped up suddenly after they gave him a guaranteed contract.
I mean, just terrible decision by the Browns, and ownership
of the Browns supposedly were at the forefront of that.
And that's one of the reasons why Miles Garrett wants out.
I mean, can you compete when you have that lingering
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over your franchise?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's tough to No, you can't. It's tough. Not a
good situation. Plays well, okay, different he hadn't played well
and he's been hurt, So not a good deal. Haven't
got anything out, not a good by the way, Wednesday
the twelfth is the start of the league year at
four o'clock crest. So Monday, two, Tuesday, Tampa away all
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day Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Negotiate your contracts on Monday and Tuesday, and then announce
I'm on Wednesday, which you're not supposed to do, right,
You know you're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Actually you're supposed to. You're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Wait for the negotiations until free agency starts, which is
a bunch of bs. It's happening even probably right now.
That's reality.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's how it works. Yeah, it's free agency, man, I'm
all for it. What do you guys make money? Jags
have some holes now, so how many can you plug
in free agency? There are some some dollars coming back
after this curtain deal.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
In a in a perfect world that you would you
would plug all the holes in free agency. When I
say plug all the holes, I'm not talking about top
end guys. I'm just saying, get somebody in there that's
capable and if they got to roll out as a
starter for twenty twenty five, okay, you can break the huddle. Yeah,
we're you know, we're not we're not scared. You know,
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we'll be okay. But you try to fill all in
my opinion, you fill all the holes with guys that
are okay, and then then you go draft players that
you want to replace them with. I mean, in the
real in reality, you'd love to keep you know, you'd
love to have you know, a third or fourth or
a fifth round pick from two years ago or three
years ago stepping in to the job right now, and
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then you sign a guy to compete. But I mean,
the backlog of draft picks are not suddenly roaring to
the front to take control of some of these positions
that you need help at. And that's one of the
reasons why the teams where it is because you know,
there's not a lot of those draft picks that are
ready to jump right in, you know. And that's why
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when you have an injury like Cooper Hodge as you
got dog on it, you know, he's a guy that
you felt really good about, you know, and you go
back in Jaguars history, Tavian Banks was a guy that
you know, a lot of Jaguar fans are maybe too
young enough to even remember him. He was a guy
that was and I thought gonna be a great third
down back for this organization, and had had a bad
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knee injury, horrific knee injury and and really never made
it back. But and Michael Cheever another one who had
an injury. It was, you know, drafted to be a
center out of Georgia Tech, good guy and was a
good football player and then had a back injury and
then career was cut short.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I mean, so even though I mean, first of all,
you got to try to get a good player, and
then you have to have a little bit of luck
to have that player end up getting to the point
where he's been a productive player for you, you know,
staying healthy, et cetera. So, but this franchise needs to
get to the point just like the Rams have been
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doing over the last couple of years, which James Gladstone
was a part of, to where you're drafting and developing,
drafting and playing gating players that can come in and
play football. Everybody thought the Rams after the Super Bowl
because of their cap situation, we're going to be junk
after that, they never got to the point of being jumped.
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They went out and they drafted good football players without
having a high amount of picks and then we're a
good football team they needed. This football team needs to
get there.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Gladstone was behind the scenes of most of that, as
the scouting.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well a big part of it. Do you see Sean
mcvay's comments on Gladstone recently. It's something about how Gladstone
is an absolute stud and he's excited about seeing what
he does in Jacksonville. I want to say it was
on Pat McAfee or something that mcvaye was on and
just I mean singing the praises of James Gladstone. And
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you know when you see that, mcvaye's not going to
blow smoke. There's no reason to blow smoke at this point.
Gladstone's got the job. So when McVeigh comes out and
says that as strongly as he does, then to me,
I think that's just fantastic for Jaguar, the Jaguar fan
base because if he's saying.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
That, he means it. I mean, think about the amount
of talent that has come out of the LA Rams
and the McVeigh less sneed situation. Right, what three other
head coaches now in the league have come out working
for McVeigh. Yeah, that's pretty remarkable. A little coaching trees
got going on. And he's still under forty, isn't he
And oh he's you know, he's still still incredibly young
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and got a young family and less Need you know,
Less Sneed was part of the first year of the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean, he was a part of Tom Coughlin's staff.
You know, him and Matt mccoola were kind of the
two of the guys that were hustling, uh free agents
and things of that nature. When I say hustling free agents,
doing dealing with a lot of the the mechanics of
free agents on their visit because I remember Matt and
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obviously Less being involved in that heavily. Two good guys,
and less Less he's doing a great job. He's doing
a great job. And I don't know if you happen
to see some of his comments about bringing back their
quarterback Matthew staff effort and how they kind of renewed
their vows. But and he talked about the future about
trying to find, you know, an heir apparent, and he's
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just he's.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
A very.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Very well spoken got great opinions on what it takes
and how the system works and what the NFL is like,
he's a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Let's need is a smart guy. I'll give you a
dollar if you can name his hometown less. I have
no idea. It's an Alabama Is it Birmingham, Tuscaloose chance,
you're not gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
It's a small town. It's very Selma. Uh no, no,
I give up.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The town called you Falla and Georgia on Georgia line. Yeah,
it's where he's from. Yep, yep. Drove through there quite
a few times. Goes right through there. I think, yeah,
I think it does. And what's the.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Name of the Georgia town on the other side, Columbus, Columbus.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So you know that's you're talking about Phoenix City that's
up the road. This is further south follows.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I'm trying to think think of the name of the
Georgia town that's close to the border.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It starts with the sea. Though we're back in anyway,
we're talking geography. Now we've gone off the way, way
way off. Back. In a moment, we'll wrap it up
for the day. A busy day around the Miller Electric
Center from the Hyundai studios. This is Jaguars happy hour.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I think that the system that he will be able
to bring into place, will be one that is at
least a way to surface where things are not right
quickly so you can address them. And it will help
provide things, you know, in a in a way that
makes sense and keeps making sense. So I think a
system helps form an identity, and identity is really hard
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to keep over time, especially you know when you've had
different people rotating through for a while, then it's hard
to have an identity. So right, but we've that focus
in that system, and that structure creates a nice foundation
to work from. That's that's where I think you will
know what is JAG right, Like how what are the
traits that we what is our emission statement?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Cynthia Friedland, NFL media analytics expert, joining us at the
combine last week. The full interview and all of them
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Crew Free Agency March twelfth off season program April seventh,
business being attended to today, Mitch Morris retiring from the NFL
the JAG Center, and then Christian Kirk just a few
moments ago traded to the Houston Texans for a twenty
twenty six seventh round pick. The word was he was
gonna get cut anyway, so get a draft pick out
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of it.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Well, and then part of the reason why I think
a lot of times that information gets put out about
how he's going to get cut is to put everybody
on notice that Hey, look, you know, if you want them,
give us a call.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, So that's the big news of the day.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
We're at the Combine last week and we're sitting there
and I'm kind of scrolling around on the internet and boom,
here comes the NFLPA twenty twenty five report card that
the player's Association puts out every year. Just happened to
pop up during the combine week. And this has been
one of the greatest tools that the NFLPA has had
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available at their discretion since they came up with the
idea of doing it. How long have they done this?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Not that long? I mean, I mean it didn't exist
when I was playing.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I wish it did.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think because the actual report card on teams have
actually spurred change with a lot of teams that have
had poor grades in certain categories and the wars overall
ranked in the teams. I don't think it was eighteenth
overall in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, they were fifth the year before overall fifth. Yes,
so fell from fifth to eighteen.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
And some of the comments were quite striking if you
read the overview. When asked what their top improvement area
would be, each of the top three answers reflect low
ratings of former head coach Doug Peterson. Players cite poor
time efficiency, a lack of willingness to listen, and a
weak team culture, all issues they hope head coached Liam
(40:38):
Cohne will address going forward. The positive note on the
summary says the team's recently upgraded physical facilities continue to
receive strong grades, as does ownershot Con and.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
All right, I have a quick comment slash question. Yeah,
it's always coaching in the NFL. We know this, right,
I mean, it's not the blown coverages in the back end,
the one score losses where you might have thrown a pick.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's a little bit everything.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But they get the you know, players get the opportunity
to go vote and after the fact, hey, this is
what happened. I don't know. Well, I will say that
everybody is at fault.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
If you ran the analytics on the report card, which
I don't know how you would do that, you would
probably most likely find that winning and losing is the
greatest influence on where the grades are at. So teams
that win will have higher grades. Is it because they're
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doing it the right way? Or is it because the
team is winning and it makes everything, makes the food
taste better, makes the relationships better, locker room is spacious
all the same year exactly, and so I think a
lot of that has to do with it. And it
was a tough year and I think which obviously reflected
in some of the grades. But I think it's good
that the NFLPA does this, and I don't think it's
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the end all be all, but I think it's an
indicator and it can be used to help spur change
in situations where change is needed. And some of the
categories that are that are kind of low. Treatment of
the families is right there at the bottom. I mean,
they got an F in that, So you know, I
don't know exactly what the good teams do differently, but
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I think as an organization you would like to find
that out to maybe have that be a better grade
going forward. Head coach was the second worst grade in
the National Football League thirty first because Doug got a C.
The other see the food dining area, which is kind
of surprising to me because here at the mech the
brand new cafeteria. So is that that you're not winning
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the food doesn't taste good? Or is that that the
food needs to be better here?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I don't know, man silly, but to give you an idea,
you're talking about winning can change thing.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Sure, sure can.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
But why are the Chiefs ranked twenty sixth out of
thirty two teams? Then? And what in overall twenty six
great question? Chiefs, it's a great question. Their ownership gets
a C minus. Great question.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
And what is Andy Reid's like the best coach and
one of the best coaches on the list?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Right he gets an A plus he's fourth, But like
facilities are a big demerit there for.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
And and here's the here's the great thing that report
card now can get red from ownership to team president
to Andy Reid to the city of Kansas City, but
which remember now there's a stadium thing kind of going
on there that they'd like to have a better stadium
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and better facilities out of all of that, right, So
you know, I think that this is another tool to
help kind of get some of that change.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
It also, and I don't know the Kansas City. I've
never been to their actual football facility.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Wall you have well, I know you haven't been. You
you've never been in the stadium.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I've been to the stadium, but I don't know if
they practice there.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, facilities right there.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's right there. It goes to show you can win.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
With I'm pretty sure the facility almost positive.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You don't have to have, like I mean, you can
go win if you have good football players.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, I mean looking Yeah, I mean, look, there's a
lot of ways to win. I don't think there's You
don't have to have the best facility, the best dietitian,
the best food, the best coach, the best weight room,
the best field. You don't have to have all the
best of everything. You can help it doesn't hurt. The
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most important thing you need is the right culture and
the right players. That should be right there at top.
But they don't have a culture category. But somehow the
culture came up.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
How do you rank cultures?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Everybody's got a different that's a great that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
But the culture came up when it was evaluating Doug
Peterson in the survey on their overviewe So, but there's
not a culture category that I found.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
At least culture is very strong in Philly these days,
probably because.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
And he got a big fat extension. He certainly twenty
one million a year something like that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
He's worth it.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
He's a great player, great player, and he signed a
new deal when he got there. So this is is
this added on or did they renegotiate the Because I
was trying to figure this out.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I don't know. I don't know the answer to that one.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
We'll find that out. We'll bring it up next week.
But I mean, he's the highest paid running back in
the National Football League. He's the best running back in
the National football He should be the highest paid running
back in the National Football League. I mean, what do
you think Jalen Hurts was worth? Like, ignore what he's
making now. If you had to put a number on
Jalen Hurts in today's not last year's cap or this
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year's captain. I don't think he is. I think he's
a really good football player. I don't think he's fifty
million dollars a year quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
For Barkley's a two year, forty one million dollar extension extension,
so he's tacked on. So he's making over twenty What
did he get upfront out of that thirty six million
full guarantee? Exciting? Making her an additional fifteen million through incentives.
Good for him, But it works so well because Hurts is.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Such a weapon alls well, I mean, look those two guys,
those two guys compliment each other. Having Jalen Hurts a
running quarterback make Saquon Barkley a better back because the
thread of Jalen Hurts running helps him from a number standpoint,
So they help each other. Barkley helps take the pressure
off the passing game, helps Jalen Hurts have a better
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pocket because of the thread of Barkley is a runner.
It's it's it's complementary. So those two are really good,
really good for each other, really good for each other.
But I mean Jalen Hurts, if I had to put
a number on him, I mean super Bowl quarterback. I mean,
I'm giving him as props, but I mean I'm he's
not in the category of Mahomes, which Mahomes is a
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fifty million dollars a year quarterback.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Right, You're gonna let him walk? Jaialen hurts. I don't.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
I don't want to let him walk. I mean, he
won a Super Bowl for him. He will pay him fifty.
Do you think somebody would pay him fifty?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Keeps playing at a high level, they keep winning games, Oh.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Fift, they keep winning games. He's gonna be make fifty.
But I mean, right now, I'd put him in a
forty forty category.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, he's a lot. He got the exception already.
He's already got it. And where is he at now?
He's fifty, He's fifty one a year. He's fifty one
a year. Yeah, he already got an extent. It's good
for him. Yeah, are you sure he's fifty one? I'm
looking at it. He's at fifty one and Trevor's at
what fifty five? Because he was drafted in twenty three
and then, uh sid he's a good football player. I
know that.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I love how he just stays cool and calm. There's
a there's points so the and I'm kind of nitpicking here.
I mean, sometimes he doesn't see the field as a
pass I think leads to some fresh frustration from his
wide receivers, which has been noticeable over the last couple
of years at times. But the threat of him running
the way that he can essentially guarantee a third and one,
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a second and one or a fourth and one because
of the push, and he's a big part of that.
He's a really good football player and Super Bowl champion,
So I guess he is worth fifty, right.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I mean it's getting.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Best, especially when the when the cap was is going
to go up by how.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Much this year? Another twenty five or.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
So twenty five, the thirty million something like that. It's
like every year it's just taking an these huge jumps
and every That's why a lot of teams are pushing
that money out into the future because they just feel like, oh,
the cap, the cap will keep growing just because it
has been probably will be. It has been grown by.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
A lot, especially when they redoing the money. All the
media contracts in a number of years, they're all due
about the same time. Yeah, and then, uh, I guess
a lot of these streaming services are talking about getting
into the mix for the weekly broadcast stuff. I mean
not just little you know games here and there. I
don't know what Netflix played for the Christmas Games, but
it wasn't cheap to get two games. No, no, And
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they're talking about maybe being a player for the like
with compete against a package with Fox or CBS to
get a regular rotation.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah, I can imagine, definitely imagine. You know, a couple
of years ago, I couldn't imagine that. But I mean nowadays,
I mean, streaming services seem to be like the norm.
It's not like it's a it's a rarity anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Hey, next week clocks four o'clock. Yeah, it's gonna be
the day after free agency. So we might have actual
free agent free agency around and sign that's great. You
never know. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Wednesday, Wednesday,
four o'clock. We're on the air Thursday, four o'clock. So
it starts Wednesday at four four o'clock. Okay, so they
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could end up having somebody walk in the door right
in four o one. They could in theory fastest contract
negotiation effort. I'm believing I have a great week.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, you two, and I'm looking forward to free agency
and looking forward to what's next. Host football team.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
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We'll get to that. Mitch Morse has announced his retirement.
That was earlier today. We'll discuss what that means for
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now, Hello, are you doing fantastic? How about you?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Good? Doing really well?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
How did you uh? How did you do it? The
forty yard dash of the combine?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
If you put a ham sandwich out there, I will
run really fast.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Have you ever thought about doing that? You know, kind
of like a rich eyesend thing, or you do the forty.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'd have to really, you know, scratch.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We should ran after we should we should have a
contest me and you maybe to see who.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean you you think you could beat me?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I know, Oh, we we gotta have a little we
gotta have a little wager on.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean, your daughter was just in here talking about
how old you are. I know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So, so are we gonna do this or are we
gonna have a little I'm down for it. I mean
I'm not exactly the cheetah, neither are you speak for yourself.
And people are gonna want to pay faster than I
look see to see me and you race right, But
it would be interesting. I would have to do this
in a very controlled fashion, very controlled.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This reminds me. This hearkens back to the early days,
and we kind of first got started on the digital
side here on Jaguars dot com. I challenged Baselli to
the five k through the stadium.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, how'd that go?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It didn't go well? Yeah? I stayed with him. This
is before his bad hip again.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But it was a bad hip, but it was it
had gotten really bad.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It hadn't like broken in half. Yeah at that point.
I stayed with him for like a half mile, and
then I couldn't keep out. He just kept going, that's
not very that's not very good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm like, whoa, Okay, so you're so what you're saying
is is that you're meant for shorter distance.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm a sprinter, That's what I'm saying. Come on, man, I.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Look like I remember the combine. Gosh, it was a
long time ago, obviously, in nineteen eighty nine, but and
it's obviously it's changed tremendously to where it's become a
media event, and it wasn't so much of one back then.
But the uh, the amount of fanfare that it gets
is really amazing considering that all it really is is
(03:00):
a medical check for the most part. But the media
side of it has made it an attraction, which is
good for the NFL. It's good for the game. But
I don't know if I don't get glued to it,
you know, but some people think it's great.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We went to the combine and I could have cared
less about the workouts on the field. We left before
most of the position Grews even got on the field.
We were out of town, so that's changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I would love to know, honestly, what percentage of general
managers in the National Football League actually watch it, you know,
whether they're they're in person, or they're in their office
watching the stream on the NFL network or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But I mean, I would.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Think that it would be an incredible waste of time
for a GM to watch the combine. Well, give me
the numbers, give me the medical facts, and okay, let
me spend my time watching film. If general managers are
spending more time watching the combine performance, then they are
watching film.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That team's got a problem. The medical part. Yes. The interviews, Yeah,
that's the important part of the beast too.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Right, I'm not a big I don't know if I'm
a big proponent of that even Well, and the reason
why is it Look, I mean, look, and I've watched
a lot of the interviews that have happened. It's just Look,
you can prepare yourself. You can prepare a client, if
(04:37):
you're an agent, you can prepare anybody to sound good
for ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
The proper way is you want to interview people and
you want to be able to talk ball and all that.
But I like the idea of when they come into
your facility and it's not in a control environment where
there's a clock about to go off and say okay,
times up, because I think anybody can put on an
act for a period of time. The most important thing
(05:06):
is not so much of the interview. To me, it's
about vetting the player. It's talking to people that have
been around him, wherever he's been and where he's currently
at right now, people that aren't going to just give
you political mumbo jumbo to impress upon you that the
players a great guy. I want to find out for real,
(05:28):
how did he react in certain situations going back to
high school to college and you know, what kind of
a teammate is he? What does he do when nobody's
looking that kind of the thing. And I think that's
the proper vetting. And I don't know if we actually
as an organization have done the proper amount of that.
In our history. We've drafted some players that have had
some questionable backgrounds, and I think if you properly vetted
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guys that some of that would not have happened. And
the other part of that I think is, Look, you're
getting ready to invest millions million dollars, if you're getting
ready to get in a relationship with somebody from a
business standpoint, you're committing five, ten, twenty million dollars to
somebody in a business relationship. Why would you not want
(06:13):
to have all the facts and information that you possibly
could on that player?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean to me, you got you got to spend.
You got to have the resources in house or to
commit the resources to have somebody out of house. Actually
do the vetting to make sure that you're making good decisions, because,
as the new general manager said, intangibly rich players are
(06:39):
the kind you want, and you don't find out about
those intangibles unless you're properly vetting the player.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
How that works. We'll get back to the combine here
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(07:07):
on ten ten XL, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
It is Jaguars Happy Hour. Those dudes kind of popped
yesterday on social media that the Jaguars were expected to
part ways with Christian Kirk. That has not officially happened yet.
Who reported that, By the way, everybody and the whole
was there an initial sorce or say sources say the
(07:29):
Jags are gonna get rid of Kirk? Yeah, I would
say about ten million dollars on the salary cap next year.
A guy who missed a lot of football eleven hundred
yards in twenty twenty two, only twenty games played over
the last two seasons combined, which.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Is obviously one of the main reasons why his numbers
weren't what they were going back to twenty twenty two.
Christian Kirk's still a good football player, a very good
football player. Now, look, I I would hope that the
door and I don't think you should close the door
on anybody for the most part, unless it's you know,
a bad character guy, then you can slam the door.
(08:08):
But when you have a good football player where maybe
the pay is not commasure it with the play. Then
I think there's a there's a point where maybe you
can get there, and sometimes it takes releasing the player,
uh in order to get to that. And so I
would like to think that door, the door is not closed.
Maybe there's a possibility of him coming back on maybe
(08:30):
a better number. I know that Liam con had said,
the head coach had said what a few weeks ago
about how you'd like to have Trevor Lawrence kind of
involved on some of the decisions when it comes to
you know, this football team. I think that's one of
Trevor's best friends, right and one of his favorite targets.
So you know, until something actually happened, let's kind of
(08:50):
wait and see what actually happens.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's a lot of money on the sideline though if
he's not playing. He hasn't finished the last two seasons,
no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, and that's look, availability always supersedes ability, and
that everybody knows that. And availability is one of the
key components to be able to reach the end of
a contract, and not many guys do. So I hope
there's a way to keep him. I think he's a
good football player. If there's a way to get to
a number that that is better reflects the production over
(09:22):
the last couple of years than I think you got
to consider maybe bringing him back.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's Parker Washington ready to step in.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I think Parker Washington is super ready for the next step.
You know, if I had a choice between Christian Kirk
and Parker Washington, I mean that's you know, if you
said you can only keep one, right, you kind of
lean towards Parker just because he's younger. But he's but
he's different, you know, see Parker. A lot of people
(09:48):
look at Parker because of his statue right, shorter, bulky.
They think that he is nothing but maybe a slot receiver.
And I don't think really anything would be farther from
the truth. I think Parker Washington has the ability to
move outside and also have great success outside. I think
Christian Kirk is more of a true slot guy. Parker,
(10:10):
I think is more of a of an outside guy.
But he's also incredibly strong. I think the yards after
the catch I think a little bit better than Christian Kirks,
but both good football players and Parker being younger, sometimes
you gotta take that leap of faith and commit to
the younger guys.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Sometimes That's what I mean. Christian is not designed to
be running those routes down the field a lot of
times where he got hurt. Right If he's supposed to
be a slot guy, he's forced outside sometimes a little
bit out of place.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I think the biggest concern right now when it comes
to the offense and the wide receiver position is Gabe
Davis's number. The production last year did not match where
you would like to have him be at for the
number that he's at, and you're committed to him. You know,
when I say you're committed to him, you know he
(11:00):
he's going to be on this football team. I'm pretty
sure of that from a cap standpoint. And you've got
to get the productivity to match where his number is
at right now. And I hope that it can get there.
But it's not like you can just move on from
from Gabe Davis. But Nope, did not have a great
year last year. And you know, and look, the reality
(11:22):
is that Trevor was hurt too, and you know, you
had a backup quarterback in and there are a lot
of things that you know, new system. I mean, all
of those things are I think are factoring in. But
you know, again, production needs to equal the pay level,
and it did not last year.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, it was still cost excuse me for Gabe Davis.
He signed a three year, thirty nine million dollar contract,
cap hits six point four. The dead caps twenty point
three on him this year.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So yeah, he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, now next.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Year, well, I don't want to say that. I want
you never say never. I mean, you know, I'm think
there's always a way that he could end up not
being here, But I don't think that's a that's gonna happen.
I think he will be here, you know. And I look,
I was excited about the acquisition of him last year
just because he he's crafty. He does a great job
(12:14):
as far as making the field stretch. Not that he's
a burner, but he's a crafty, deep deep ball wide receiver.
And uh, you know, I think there's some things that
he can do to you know, to become a better teammate,
to be more productive and to be more of a
productive player for this football team. And if he can
(12:37):
and he can put up some of those numbers that
he's put up in the past in Buffalo, then then
he's worth the pay.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Let's come back in a moment. We'll get to the
news of today. Mitch Morse announcing his retirement.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, that's a good conversation because there's some people that
are saying some things about that that are just way
off though. I can't wait to hear this and somebody,
you know who I'm talking about. I sure guy got
a big mouth.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Doesn't narrow it down at all.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Initial Oh yeah, back in a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
This is Jackular's happy hour.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Three frogs approach, and it certainly sounds like that's how
it is set up. And having Tony BASSELLI back involved,
I think it's just a home run with Jacksonville franchise,
and this is something.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Really wants to do. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And when you see that and you hear that the
passion that he's going to bring to this job. This
man loves the Jaguars, he loves the organization. He wants
to be part of a group that gets him back
to where things were when he was rolling out there.
So yeah, I really like where they're going. I don't
know James Gladstone as well as I hope to down
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down the road. And that's as kind of Liam Cohen
I was able to meet last year as the offense
corner of the Buccaneers, and I could not have been
more impressed. I came away from that one going whoa
first time might ever meet him and spent time with him,
and I was juice coming out there.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
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Speaker 3 (14:37):
The hat that he was currently wearing was a Tiger
Woods hat.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I that's true. Yeah, she's got some golf experience too.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Charles Dave's great guy, one of the all time great
guys and the NFL media that I've had the opportunity
to meet over the many years that I've been involved,
not only as a player but as a broadcaster, and
I'm a big fan of his work. I think he
does a great job. Great job, great guy, great job.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
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Speaker 3 (15:16):
Some guy in the other room named Joe, he always
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Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, we're on t today, Sol Jaguars Dot guy with
Jaguars YouTube. Glad you're with us. Jaguars Happy Hour today, Okay,
Jaguars centered. After ten years in the NFL, Mitch Morse
today announced his retirement from the National Football League. Brandon Sheriff,
the right guard, is a pending free agent as well,
so the salty vets in the middle of the offensive
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line most likely are no longer here anymore. Well, and look,
congratulations to Mitch Morse. He's He's had a really, really
a great career, been a good football players, played a
lot of football. And I was, I.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Guess somebody said something to it. I went and looked
at it. Sure enough, it was Pete Prisco of the
K the PP initials that I was referring to before
we took a commercial break. And in response, because you know,
d Rock posted the information that that Mitch Morris was
announcing his retirement and then Prisco made a reply to
(16:18):
that and says another bulky gem of a signing and
kind of being sarcastic.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't know if he's being sarcastic or not. Well,
I mean it kind of gives you.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I mean when he uses the term gem and you know,
it's kind of yeah, it's a little look. And here's
the reality. Mitch Morris was a good signing. Okay, there's
a lot of things you might be able to criticize
Trent balky on, but that's not one of them. He
upgraded this and now you can criticize, you know, some
other things about some roster moves, but Mitch Morris is
a good football player and he upgraded the center position.
(16:48):
He upgraded the offensive line this past year. Look, you're
not going to be able to go out there and
just upgrade it to a Pro Bowl caliber player whenever
you want to, especially at the center position. Definitely not
a the tackle position. But he was a good player
for this team.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
What was he best at and where were some areas
that he lacked?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
He didn't make any mistakes, Okay, he did a great
job of leadership along the offensive line. I think he
made the guys around him better, and most importantly, he
upgraded the performance of the position from Luke Fortner and
and that was really what was needed at that position.
And so and I thought Mitch the one thing he
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did a really good job good in pass protection, never
got just flat out beat quickly. At times he would
get overpowered because it's just you know, he didn't have
that strength of being in a phone booth kind of battle.
He could probably say the same thing about Brandon Sheriff
a little bit, that he didn't have the strength bit
to win the battle in the phone booth. But two
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good football players. And I don't want people to talk badly,
you know, look at you. They're entitled to if they
want to. But I thought that Mitch Morrison Brandon share
for good football players for this football team. Would you
like to upgrade it and get you know, the big, strong,
you know, move them all for the line of scrimmage player, Sure,
but also appreciate those players for the job that they've
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done here. If you're talking about issues with the offensive line,
I wouldn't say that those two were the primary problem.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
This is where you want to get away from spending
big in free agency in a position like that. Right, Well,
draft that and develop it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, I mean, look you've you've you've tried to draft
and develop that. I mean fact of the matter. Look,
you drafted Fortner that hasn't worked out yet. Last year,
you lost what I thought was going to be the
future air parent at right guard to to a horrific injury.
(18:50):
And Cooper Hodges. I'm an I'm a huge fan of
Cooper Hodges, and I hope that his rehab goes well.
From what I understand, it's a long road back, you know,
so sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. And this
team hasn't done a great enough job of drafting offensive
lineman and developing them. You know, they spent some high
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picks on on the tackles, but they haven't really drafted
and developed many offensive linemen over the years, and I
think that's one of the things that held this team back.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Ben Barks is now playing for the San Francisco forty.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, and he's you know, he's a kind of a
bubble player. You know, when he was here, his feet
weren't great. Strong guy, but feet weren't great. And he's
kind of been a you know, part time starter for
the forty nine ers. I don't think he's a front
line guy. And maybe he's developed into that, but when
he was here, he was not a front line guy, right,
but a strong guy, but a strong guy.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But you still maybe get he's gone now it doesn't matter, Yeah,
but you got me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Look, I mean, look, the reality is is that you know,
Sheriff's going to be a free agent. Mitch Morris is retired,
which I didn't think he would retire. I thought he
would continue playing. He still can play in the NFL.
I mean, and you know, if you had to rank
him as far as amongst centers in the National Football League,
you'd probably put.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Him in that third quartal. We've got some breaking news.
Tom Pelasero of NFL Network tweeting out on x just
moments ago that the Jaguars are sending Christian Kirk to
the Texans. A twenty twenty six seventh round pick coming
to Jacksonville for Christian Kirk. The Texans take on the
existing contract sixteen and a half million this year, the
(20:31):
final year of his deal. And that is a real
tweet from a really count So just moments ago, literally
five minutes ago, that was announced on Twitter. Tom Pelasio
with a report NFL Network, Christian Kirk traded to the
Houston Texans in the division trade fairly rare.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's very rare. And look, the Texans tank Dell's
got prett significant knee injury that he's coming back from.
And then the guy that they got from the Buffalo Bills,
Diggs Digs, stefan On Dicks. Stefon Diggs is gone and
he had an injury last year as well. So the
Texans are looking for players and that's that's a good
(21:09):
landing spot for Christian Kirk. I mean, it's a division,
so you kind of stick with some familiar faces that
playing weekend and week out. And then on top of that,
Nico Collins might be one of the best top five
wide receivers in football in my opinion. So Christian Kirk's
going to a place that there's a lot of attention
that's going to be going to the other side.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Of the field. Right. And now the Jaguars get out
of that contract and ten millions in cap savings ballpark
with Kirk. Yes, yes, but I mean sixteen and a
half million contracts going all the way to the Texans, right,
So right there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So I mean I wish them well, it was Christian
Kirk's super solid guy. Oh, fantastic to deal with. Super
solid guy. I mean just you know, one of the
top guys that's ever come through here as far as
high character guy, good football player, and uh was what
this team needed at at the time that he signed.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Okay, so there you have it. That just happened moments ago,
the Jaguars trading Christian Kirk to the Houston Texans. Are you,
in general a fan of in division trades? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I don't, Okay, I do.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm not a you know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Look, I mean, here's the reality, because everybody's worried. Okay,
do you trade in the conference? Do you trade in
the division because like, oh, you don't want to make
your opponents better. Look, if you're trading the guy, you
feel like you can upgrade from that guy, right, I mean,
that's the whole purpose of doing that, is that you
can upgrade your team by trading that player. Maybe not
upgrade that position, but maybe the Jaguars now feel like, hey, look,
(22:45):
with that cap savings, we can now allocate those dollars
to get better in some other position, and maybe we
feel really good about the young guys that we have
with Parker Washington and Brian Thomas Junior and some of
the other guys, and also the possibility as a future
draft pick, and maybe we need to allocate those dollars
of paying offensive lineman, I mean wherever that may be.
(23:07):
As long as you can improve your team by trading
that player, I don't care where that player goes.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Let's come back in a moment plenty more ahead on
a busy day as we lead into the NFL league year.
Next week, this twenty twenty five season will officially begin,
free agency will get underway. We'll discuss some pending free
agents for the Jaguars. Coming up again. Christian Kirk just
moments ago traded to the Houston Texans. Mitch Morris announced
(23:35):
his retirement today and this is Jaguars happy hour.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Most people know that he cut his teeth a bit
with the Rams. He actually was a Kentucky the year
that Will Levis had a terrific season in Kentucky. But
what struck me about the Bucks run game last year
was how multiple it was. Because you know, everybody assumes, hey,
he was with the Rams, so it's the zone run game.
(24:09):
You know, the McVeigh run game. But I thought they
did a really really good job with the multiplicity of
the run game and the way they got to base run.
See the main thing in the run game, there's not
a thousand run concepts, so it's really how you get
to them. It's funny. I had this conversation with a
coach this morning because and I even asked him. I said,
you know, you hear people say so, and so it's
(24:32):
a really good run game. Coach like, what does that mean?
You know you're a defensive guy, what does that mean?
And you know, he talked about how teams get to runs,
formation motions, you know, misdirection looks, you know, but the
then when the run happens, like I said, there's not
a thousand of them.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That is Greg Coach. Cell of the NFL Films and
NFL Matchup, Welcome Back, It's Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shadwick,
Jeff Lagam, Great Cosel, the nephew of the great, late
great Howard Cosell. Does a great job with the NFL
films and all the matchup on ESPN. Yeah, yeah, it
does a good job really breaking down film and doing
(25:11):
the whole thing. On social media, and nice to visit
with him at the combine again. All the interviews at
Jaguars do common together on one video on Jaguars YouTube.
And it's a busy time of year at Daily's place logs,
very busy Zach Top last night out of nowhere? And
how old is he?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Young twenties, young twenty six?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, you were telling me the story that he was
going to be playing a local place and then it
literally sold out, and then he moved it to Daily's
Place a couple of days before and then sold out,
sold out last night.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Zach Top, unbelieved z a c right, Yes, Zach Top,
he was fantastic. Got to add him to my Spotify.
He was great, all right, So great crowd last night.
Coming up March firfteenth to Coraif for band, that's Jimmy
Buffet's backing band, Tricking Concert. Teddy Swims made tenth tea
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more show information as well. Busy summer ahead there at
(26:26):
the Dailies again. The breaking news just moments ago, Christian
Kirk traded to the Houston Texans for a seventh round
draft pick in twenty twenty six. Earlier today, Mitch Morris
announcing his retirement from the National Football League. And we're
less than a week away from NFL free agency beginning
in the start of the league year. So a lot
(26:46):
of pending free agents for the Jaguars. Do you bring
some back? Do you not? How many? You know? All
that's in play right now too. So there's a lot
of business being dealt here in Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, and it's getting ready to get pretty ight the
next week, right, I mean, doesn't the legal periods time?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, the legal tampering period, if you will, the Monday
and Tuesday and then Tuesday, and that's.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
What it's I mean, look, it's already started. Let's let's
not kid ourselves, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Here though everywhere else in the league. Yeah, look, I'm
with you.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I hear you.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, the the conversations are happening, however they need to happen.
But I mean the reality is that by creating a
tampering period, a known tampering period, essentially the league is
acknowledging that we cannot stop it. So we're just gonna
call it a legal tampering period because we know it's
(27:40):
going to happen even before the legal tampering period. Once
we put that name on it, it is what it is,
you know. And look, uh, looking at the free agent list,
I think it's a little bit slim pickens this year.
You're going to be able to, I think, fill some
holes on your roster, which I think is always the
main object of free agency. But I mean you're not
(28:02):
gonna get any stars. I don't think you're gonna get
guys that all have some kind of chinks in the armor,
so to speak. I think the interesting one is is
Joey Bosa. Now, who is guys out there now after
getting released by the Charger And what will that do
(28:22):
to the market of events. I mean, Sweats kind of
was that top guy on the market. Now you put
a boas out there and just the name itself attracts
a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And then Bengals are letting Trey Hendrickson look for a
trade deal. Yeah, I mean that's I mean, gosh, that's
gonna be I.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Mean, while it's a lot of money, and then it's
also it's gonna you're it's gonna the price is gonna
be high. You're talking in an elite pass rusher. Arguably
the best pass rusher in the last two years in
the league, right, I mean from a number standpoint, he.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Beat everybody by like three sacks last year.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, I mean the last two years he's been right there.
I mean, he's his numbers have I think, beat Miles
Garrett by a couple of sacks each year.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
That's another guy that could look for it. Which which
is they? He doesn't he wants out. Oh yeah. Look.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And and and the Browns where he's at. They just
kicked the can down the road even further with the
Shaun Watson deal. I mean, the worst signing in NFL history,
and the Cleveland Browns continue to just kick the can
down the road. At some point you got to pay
(29:38):
the piper. You're just gonna have to grin and Barrett
and do it. At one point, at what point can
they just release the guy and say, you know what,
we'll just spread the cap it over X number of years.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Could probably do that. I don't know. Maybe they feel
they should still.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Get some of it, but I mean, that's that's like
such a bad situation, and I mean, that's one of
the reasons why Miles Garrett wants out. It was the
worst contract in NFL history there was you had a
reason to have to to essentially proceed with caution with
Deshaun Watson. It wasn't like the allegations weren't out there
(30:18):
when they signed them, you know, and it wasn't like
they popped up suddenly after they gave him a guaranteed contract.
I mean, just terrible decision by the Browns, and ownership
of the Browns supposedly were at the forefront of that.
And that's one of the reasons why Miles Garrett wants out.
I mean, can you compete when you have that lingering
(30:40):
over your franchise?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's tough to No, you can't. It's tough. Not a
good situation. Plays well, okay, different he hadn't played well
and he's been hurt, So not a good deal. Haven't
got anything out, not a good by the way, Wednesday
the twelfth is the start of the league year at
four o'clock crest. So Monday, two, Tuesday, Tampa away all
(31:01):
day Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Negotiate your contracts on Monday and Tuesday, and then announce
I'm on Wednesday, which you're not supposed to do, right,
You know you're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Actually you're supposed to. You're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Wait for the negotiations until free agency starts, which is
a bunch of bs. It's happening even probably right now.
That's reality.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's how it works. Yeah, it's free agency, man, I'm
all for it. What do you guys make money? Jags
have some holes now, so how many can you plug
in free agency? There are some some dollars coming back
after this curtain deal.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
In a in a perfect world that you would you
would plug all the holes in free agency. When I
say plug all the holes, I'm not talking about top
end guys. I'm just saying, get somebody in there that's
capable and if they got to roll out as a
starter for twenty twenty five, okay, you can break the huddle. Yeah,
we're you know, we're not we're not scared. You know,
(31:59):
we'll be okay. But you try to fill all in
my opinion, you fill all the holes with guys that
are okay, and then then you go draft players that
you want to replace them with. I mean, in the
real in reality, you'd love to keep you know, you'd
love to have you know, a third or fourth or
a fifth round pick from two years ago or three
years ago stepping in to the job right now, and
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then you sign a guy to compete. But I mean,
the backlog of draft picks are not suddenly roaring to
the front to take control of some of these positions
that you need help at. And that's one of the
reasons why the teams where it is because you know,
there's not a lot of those draft picks that are
ready to jump right in, you know. And that's why
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when you have an injury like Cooper Hodge as you
got dog on it, you know, he's a guy that
you felt really good about, you know, and you go
back in Jaguars history, Tavian Banks was a guy that
you know, a lot of Jaguar fans are maybe too
young enough to even remember him. He was a guy
that was and I thought gonna be a great third
down back for this organization, and had had a bad
(33:05):
knee injury, horrific knee injury and and really never made
it back. But and Michael Cheever another one who had
an injury. It was, you know, drafted to be a
center out of Georgia Tech, good guy and was a
good football player and then had a back injury and
then career was cut short.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I mean, so even though I mean, first of all,
you got to try to get a good player, and
then you have to have a little bit of luck
to have that player end up getting to the point
where he's been a productive player for you, you know,
staying healthy, et cetera. So, but this franchise needs to
get to the point just like the Rams have been
(33:42):
doing over the last couple of years, which James Gladstone
was a part of, to where you're drafting and developing,
drafting and playing gating players that can come in and
play football. Everybody thought the Rams after the Super Bowl
because of their cap situation, we're going to be junk
after that, they never got to the point of being jumped.
(34:03):
They went out and they drafted good football players without
having a high amount of picks and then we're a
good football team they needed. This football team needs to
get there.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Gladstone was behind the scenes of most of that, as
the scouting.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well a big part of it. Do you see Sean
mcvay's comments on Gladstone recently. It's something about how Gladstone
is an absolute stud and he's excited about seeing what
he does in Jacksonville. I want to say it was
on Pat McAfee or something that mcvaye was on and
just I mean singing the praises of James Gladstone. And
(34:37):
you know when you see that, mcvaye's not going to
blow smoke. There's no reason to blow smoke at this point.
Gladstone's got the job. So when McVeigh comes out and
says that as strongly as he does, then to me,
I think that's just fantastic for Jaguar, the Jaguar fan
base because if he's saying.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
That, he means it. I mean, think about the amount
of talent that has come out of the LA Rams
and the McVeigh less sneed situation. Right, what three other
head coaches now in the league have come out working
for McVeigh. Yeah, that's pretty remarkable. A little coaching trees
got going on. And he's still under forty, isn't he
And oh he's you know, he's still still incredibly young
(35:17):
and got a young family and less Need you know,
Less Sneed was part of the first year of the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean, he was a part of Tom Coughlin's staff.
You know, him and Matt mccoola were kind of the
two of the guys that were hustling, uh free agents
and things of that nature. When I say hustling free agents,
doing dealing with a lot of the the mechanics of
free agents on their visit because I remember Matt and
(35:47):
obviously Less being involved in that heavily. Two good guys,
and less Less he's doing a great job. He's doing
a great job. And I don't know if you happen
to see some of his comments about bringing back their
quarterback Matthew staff effort and how they kind of renewed
their vows. But and he talked about the future about
trying to find, you know, an heir apparent, and he's
(36:08):
just he's.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
A very.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Very well spoken got great opinions on what it takes
and how the system works and what the NFL is like,
he's a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Let's need is a smart guy. I'll give you a
dollar if you can name his hometown less. I have
no idea. It's an Alabama Is it Birmingham, Tuscaloose chance,
you're not gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
It's a small town. It's very Selma. Uh no, no,
I give up.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The town called you Falla and Georgia on Georgia line. Yeah,
it's where he's from. Yep, yep. Drove through there quite
a few times. Goes right through there. I think, yeah,
I think it does. And what's the.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Name of the Georgia town on the other side, Columbus, Columbus.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So you know that's you're talking about Phoenix City that's
up the road. This is further south follows.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I'm trying to think think of the name of the
Georgia town that's close to the border.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It starts with the sea. Though we're back in anyway,
we're talking geography. Now we've gone off the way, way
way off. Back. In a moment, we'll wrap it up
for the day. A busy day around the Miller Electric
Center from the Hyundai studios. This is Jaguars happy hour.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I think that the system that he will be able
to bring into place, will be one that is at
least a way to surface where things are not right
quickly so you can address them. And it will help
provide things, you know, in a in a way that
makes sense and keeps making sense. So I think a
system helps form an identity, and identity is really hard
(37:51):
to keep over time, especially you know when you've had
different people rotating through for a while, then it's hard
to have an identity. So right, but we've that focus
in that system, and that structure creates a nice foundation
to work from. That's that's where I think you will
know what is JAG right, Like how what are the
traits that we what is our emission statement?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Cynthia Friedland, NFL media analytics expert, joining us at the
combine last week. The full interview and all of them
available at Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube and Welcome
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(38:36):
Crew Free Agency March twelfth off season program April seventh,
business being attended to today, Mitch Morris retiring from the NFL
the JAG Center, and then Christian Kirk just a few
moments ago traded to the Houston Texans for a twenty
twenty six seventh round pick. The word was he was
gonna get cut anyway, so get a draft pick out
(38:58):
of it.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Well, and then part of the reason why I think
a lot of times that information gets put out about
how he's going to get cut is to put everybody
on notice that Hey, look, you know, if you want them,
give us a call.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, So that's the big news of the day.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
We're at the Combine last week and we're sitting there
and I'm kind of scrolling around on the internet and boom,
here comes the NFLPA twenty twenty five report card that
the player's Association puts out every year. Just happened to
pop up during the combine week. And this has been
one of the greatest tools that the NFLPA has had
(39:35):
available at their discretion since they came up with the
idea of doing it. How long have they done this?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Not that long? I mean, I mean it didn't exist
when I was playing.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I wish it did.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think because the actual report card on teams have
actually spurred change with a lot of teams that have
had poor grades in certain categories and the wars overall
ranked in the teams. I don't think it was eighteenth
overall in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, they were fifth the year before overall fifth. Yes,
so fell from fifth to eighteen.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
And some of the comments were quite striking if you
read the overview. When asked what their top improvement area
would be, each of the top three answers reflect low
ratings of former head coach Doug Peterson. Players cite poor
time efficiency, a lack of willingness to listen, and a
weak team culture, all issues they hope head coached Liam
(40:38):
Cohne will address going forward. The positive note on the
summary says the team's recently upgraded physical facilities continue to
receive strong grades, as does ownershot Con and.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
All right, I have a quick comment slash question. Yeah,
it's always coaching in the NFL. We know this, right,
I mean, it's not the blown coverages in the back end,
the one score losses where you might have thrown a pick.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's a little bit everything.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But they get the you know, players get the opportunity
to go vote and after the fact, hey, this is
what happened. I don't know. Well, I will say that
everybody is at fault.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
If you ran the analytics on the report card, which
I don't know how you would do that, you would
probably most likely find that winning and losing is the
greatest influence on where the grades are at. So teams
that win will have higher grades. Is it because they're
(41:39):
doing it the right way? Or is it because the
team is winning and it makes everything, makes the food
taste better, makes the relationships better, locker room is spacious
all the same year exactly, and so I think a
lot of that has to do with it. And it
was a tough year and I think which obviously reflected
in some of the grades. But I think it's good
that the NFLPA does this, and I don't think it's
(42:01):
the end all be all, but I think it's an
indicator and it can be used to help spur change
in situations where change is needed. And some of the
categories that are that are kind of low. Treatment of
the families is right there at the bottom. I mean,
they got an F in that, So you know, I
don't know exactly what the good teams do differently, but
(42:24):
I think as an organization you would like to find
that out to maybe have that be a better grade
going forward. Head coach was the second worst grade in
the National Football League thirty first because Doug got a C.
The other see the food dining area, which is kind
of surprising to me because here at the mech the
brand new cafeteria. So is that that you're not winning
(42:49):
the food doesn't taste good? Or is that that the
food needs to be better here?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I don't know, man silly, but to give you an idea,
you're talking about winning can change thing.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Sure, sure can.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
But why are the Chiefs ranked twenty sixth out of
thirty two teams? Then? And what in overall twenty six
great question? Chiefs, it's a great question. Their ownership gets
a C minus. Great question.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
And what is Andy Reid's like the best coach and
one of the best coaches on the list?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Right he gets an A plus he's fourth, But like
facilities are a big demerit there for.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
And and here's the here's the great thing that report
card now can get red from ownership to team president
to Andy Reid to the city of Kansas City, but
which remember now there's a stadium thing kind of going
on there that they'd like to have a better stadium
(43:48):
and better facilities out of all of that, right, So
you know, I think that this is another tool to
help kind of get some of that change.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
It also, and I don't know the Kansas City. I've
never been to their actual football facility.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Wall you have well, I know you haven't been. You
you've never been in the stadium.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I've been to the stadium, but I don't know if
they practice there.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, facilities right there.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's right there. It goes to show you can win.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
With I'm pretty sure the facility almost positive.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You don't have to have, like I mean, you can
go win if you have good football players.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, I mean looking Yeah, I mean, look, there's a
lot of ways to win. I don't think there's You
don't have to have the best facility, the best dietitian,
the best food, the best coach, the best weight room,
the best field. You don't have to have all the
best of everything. You can help it doesn't hurt. The
(44:44):
most important thing you need is the right culture and
the right players. That should be right there at top.
But they don't have a culture category. But somehow the
culture came up.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
How do you rank cultures?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Everybody's got a different that's a great that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
But the culture came up when it was evaluating Doug
Peterson in the survey on their overviewe So, but there's
not a culture category that I found.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
At least culture is very strong in Philly these days,
probably because.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
And he got a big fat extension. He certainly twenty
one million a year something like that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
He's worth it.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
He's a great player, great player, and he signed a
new deal when he got there. So this is is
this added on or did they renegotiate the Because I
was trying to figure this out.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I don't know. I don't know the answer to that one.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
We'll find that out. We'll bring it up next week.
But I mean, he's the highest paid running back in
the National Football League. He's the best running back in
the National football He should be the highest paid running
back in the National Football League. I mean, what do
you think Jalen Hurts was worth? Like, ignore what he's
making now. If you had to put a number on
Jalen Hurts in today's not last year's cap or this
(45:59):
year's captain. I don't think he is. I think he's
a really good football player. I don't think he's fifty
million dollars a year quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
For Barkley's a two year, forty one million dollar extension extension,
so he's tacked on. So he's making over twenty What
did he get upfront out of that thirty six million
full guarantee? Exciting? Making her an additional fifteen million through incentives.
Good for him, But it works so well because Hurts is.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Such a weapon alls well, I mean, look those two guys,
those two guys compliment each other. Having Jalen Hurts a
running quarterback make Saquon Barkley a better back because the
thread of Jalen Hurts running helps him from a number standpoint,
So they help each other. Barkley helps take the pressure
off the passing game, helps Jalen Hurts have a better
(46:50):
pocket because of the thread of Barkley is a runner.
It's it's it's complementary. So those two are really good,
really good for each other, really good for each other.
But I mean Jalen Hurts, if I had to put
a number on him, I mean super Bowl quarterback. I mean,
I'm giving him as props, but I mean I'm he's
not in the category of Mahomes, which Mahomes is a
(47:10):
fifty million dollars a year quarterback.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Right, You're gonna let him walk? Jaialen hurts. I don't.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
I don't want to let him walk. I mean, he
won a Super Bowl for him. He will pay him fifty.
Do you think somebody would pay him fifty?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Keeps playing at a high level, they keep winning games, Oh.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Fift, they keep winning games. He's gonna be make fifty.
But I mean, right now, I'd put him in a
forty forty category.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, he's a lot. He got the exception already.
He's already got it. And where is he at now?
He's fifty, He's fifty one a year. He's fifty one
a year. Yeah, he already got an extent. It's good
for him. Yeah, are you sure he's fifty one? I'm
looking at it. He's at fifty one and Trevor's at
what fifty five? Because he was drafted in twenty three
and then, uh sid he's a good football player. I
know that.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I love how he just stays cool and calm. There's
a there's points so the and I'm kind of nitpicking here.
I mean, sometimes he doesn't see the field as a
pass I think leads to some fresh frustration from his
wide receivers, which has been noticeable over the last couple
of years at times. But the threat of him running
the way that he can essentially guarantee a third and one,
(48:15):
a second and one or a fourth and one because
of the push, and he's a big part of that.
He's a really good football player and Super Bowl champion,
So I guess he is worth fifty, right.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I mean it's getting.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Best, especially when the when the cap was is going
to go up by how.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Much this year? Another twenty five or.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
So twenty five, the thirty million something like that. It's
like every year it's just taking an these huge jumps
and every That's why a lot of teams are pushing
that money out into the future because they just feel like, oh,
the cap, the cap will keep growing just because it
has been probably will be. It has been grown by.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
A lot, especially when they redoing the money. All the
media contracts in a number of years, they're all due
about the same time. Yeah, and then, uh, I guess
a lot of these streaming services are talking about getting
into the mix for the weekly broadcast stuff. I mean
not just little you know games here and there. I
don't know what Netflix played for the Christmas Games, but
it wasn't cheap to get two games. No, no, And
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they're talking about maybe being a player for the like
with compete against a package with Fox or CBS to
get a regular rotation.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah, I can imagine, definitely imagine. You know, a couple
of years ago, I couldn't imagine that. But I mean nowadays,
I mean, streaming services seem to be like the norm.
It's not like it's a it's a rarity anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Hey, next week clocks four o'clock. Yeah, it's gonna be
the day after free agency. So we might have actual
free agent free agency around and sign that's great. You
never know. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Wednesday, Wednesday,
four o'clock. We're on the air Thursday, four o'clock. So
it starts Wednesday at four four o'clock. Okay, so they
(49:54):
could end up having somebody walk in the door right
in four o one. They could in theory fastest contract
negotiation effort. I'm believing I have a great week.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, you two, and I'm looking forward to free agency
and looking forward to what's next. Host football team.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
That's Jeff Logman, I'm JP Shatterck. And thanks to Joe Fortunato,
Brett Reeberd, David Choe and our entire crew. And thanks
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