February 21, 2025 • 48 mins
J.P. Shadrick and Jeff Lageman react to the recent release of five Jaguars GM candidates that have advanced to the second round of interviews this week. Jeff pitches a grading system for measuring personnel's talent evaluation skills. Kainani Stevens hops on to discuss what Liam Coen and the new coaching staff should be prioritizing as the NFL Draft rapidly approaches. All this and more on this Thursday edition of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Dream Finders Homes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ashell is a great city, you know, with the live
(00:01):
music in the whole nine yards. But Charleston is just
a great Southern city with great food and lots of attractions.
Got a main drag, you know, people like to shop,
but the food is the biggest attraction there, Southern food.
The cuisine there is exceptional, Ye, seafood, all that stuff.
Everything you pick it, you can get it, no doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But now we're back, Yeah, back to reality. GM interviews
going on. Yeah, five finalists to yesterday, Two more today,
one on the docket tomorrow. I could see a decision
and maybe an offer tomorrow afternoon. Yeah, by the end of.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The week, Yeah, I mean sometime by the weekend, I
think a decision will be made. I mean, look, the
combine is starting what next week, So I think the
whole purpose that Chad talked about was getting this done
before the combine, and you really need to have it
done by the combine because you really need to start
kind of establishing where the directives are, you know, where
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the concentration is going to be. Kind of get the
coaching staff, the general manager or the talent evaluators all
unlock step together and that's you know, it's going to
be kind of on the run a little bit at
the combine, but at least it's on the run at
the combine. So that's why you don't want to wait
any further than this week.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It'll be that GM's first for a in front of
the national media. Whatever they show up at the combine
as well, there'll be some media time I think on Tuesday,
a lot of yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know, I don't think whoever they select, and I
don't have any idea of who's in the lead or
anything else of that nature, but none of these guys
that are kind of in the final list have been
general managers before, correct, But I think there's been opportunities
for a lot of these guys to kind of be
in front of the microphone and in front of the
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camera before. I mean, just like Ethan Wah, the interim
general manager, who is a final candidate by the way,
has been in front of the camera and the microphone
before and has done an excellent job. I think there's opportunities.
So I expect.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Whoever they hire to have a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Experience with doing some of that because it's going to
be hit the ground running and getting to work. But
also you've got to handle a lot of media responsibilities
right out of the gate, your introductory press conference, which
is going to be in Jacksonville, and then your introductory
press conference at the Combine, which is going to be
even in more depth. And then you've got to, you know,
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literally start interviewing people to put your staff together in
the personnel department, and change will be coming there to
some degree whatever, you know, whatever direction they go, you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Gotta be ready for. As we said, three weeks away
from the start of the league year free agency, how
much do you really want to be involved in that
front first wave of free agency. There's more money in
the salary cap. We'll get to that coming up. I mean,
all that's a lot of table right now. I mean
it's a lot of work. I mean it's a lot
of work, and so you can't waste any time. And look,
I'm not saying that they're wasting time right now, because
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I don't think they are. They're taking their time and
they're making a really good decision and taking a lot
of things into account and a lot of opinions into account,
which is good, and that's a positive thing. I'd rather
take an extra couple of weeks and have a good
ten to fifteen year decision than you know, rush it
and ain't get it wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's funny that you say that you know ten ten
to fifteen year decision because you know, in the way
and I stopped by John Dever's office, who's the head
PR guy for the Jaguars, and you know, just checking
in seeing how he's doing, you know, just shooting the breeze.
And I said, you know, how's you had any time off?
And he's, you know, of course, with all the things
that have been happening with the organization, there's been little
to no time off for anybody that in that department.
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And he said, you know, you hopefully, you know, get
a little time off here in the future. And I said,
you know, well, hopefully you make the right decision and
then you're not going to have to do this for
fifteen more years, right, you know, and really not even
And the reason you're doing it fifteen years from now
is because you've groomed somebody to take oh, you know,
kind of if you look at the situation in Baltimore
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with Ozzie Newsom and Eric DaCosta, I mean, that's like
the model franchise and that that's who you're trying to
be like from a personnel standpoint, if you can emulate
them in some way, shape or form and accomplish what
they've been able to accomplish with first of all, the
job that Ozzie Knewsom did and I think the job
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that Eric DaCosta continues to do in the seamless transition
with that look, that's that's where you want to be.
And I think that's been the biggest downfall of this
organization from the get go has been what is the
lifeblood of every franchise, which is talent acquisition, which has
been a problem since the Coughlin era ended, and it's
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been a struggle and unfortunately that's I think what has
been keeping this organization. It's been holding it back.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
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JP Shadwick with Jeff Loogoman on ten TONXXL, Jaguars dot
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Com and Jaguars YouTube. It is Jaguars Happy Hour. Let's
take a look at the five finalists for general manager
of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Ian Cunningham, Bears Assistant GM, has
already been in the building this week. James Gladstone, the
Rams director of scouting Strategy. John Eric Sullivan has been
with the Packers since he was an intern back in
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like two thousand and three. He's now the VP of
player Personnel there. Ethan Wall the Jaguars interim general manager,
long time in San Francisco before that, of course, Josh
Williams with the forty nine Ers currently as director of
scouting and football Operations you talked about. None of these
guys have been gms before. Ethan Wall has been in
the league for probably the longest of any of these candidates,
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a long time in San Francisco working his way in
the player of personnel side of things. And then Johnny
Erick Sullivan is at the VP level with the Packers.
The other three don't have a whole lot of lengthy
experience in the league, and you've got to see if
they're ready to take that big next step to the
big chair, well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
A big step in other words, that you've got to
be able to work with other people. You've got an EVP,
a head coach, you know, that's going to form kind
of the organizational threesome, you know, as far as on
the football side of things, and you've got to be
able to work well with others. But the most important
characteristic or trade is that you need to be able
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to pick the horses. And not to offend any NFL
player by saying they're horses, because I was one and
kind of went through the same process. But you've got
to be able to pick the talent that's going to
sustain the franchise as a perennial winner.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's not easy to do.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And I almost wish that the league had because you know,
there's there's a lot of programs that they're doing to
help people along, so to speak, right Like they're having
different meetings with owners with minority candidates to get their
names and their faces and conversations out there. Well, I
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wish the league would have Essentially, it's like a personnel.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Office.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And so here's here's what I'm proposing. Okay, I wonder
if Rogers listening and see. See here's let me know
what you think. There's a lot of personnel guys around
the league, A lot of them that work in uh
every organization, some of them that are out of football
right now that were previously employed. I think it would
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be great to like have a office to where let's say,
me and you work for different teams when we're young
and we want to be a GM one day.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I am young, okay. You, on the other hand, I
am not.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But if we were able, and you know, we had
a list of players that we could turn in, you know,
on a year to year basis, and then it goes
into a computer, and then the league could look at
where their player rankings were at so that you could
find the best personnel value evaluators on a year to
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year basis. So in other words, Jay, you don't think
they do that, No, they don't. But what would the
print out look like? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think well, first of all, you would turn in
a sheet of your player rankings.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, okay, it's you. It's you, not your teams, nobody else's,
it's yours.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I would turn one in, okay, and then We're going
to keep doing this year after year, and then the
league's going to be able to have an idea of
what what our picks would have been in the draft
over the last five, six, seven, eight years, however many
years that we've participated in this process, and then you
could actually run analytics on the picks that we're turning
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in to find out who the best talent evaluators actually are.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You don't think they do that already? No, But how
did this matter for this process? Because these are I'm
just saying, is that wouldn't it be great? JP?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
If In Cunningham and James Gladstone and John Eric Sullivan
and Ethan.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Waugh and Josh Williams all turned in their own picks,
don't I say they didn't make picks, None of them.
I'm not asking them to make real picks. JP.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm saying, give me their list of player rankings in
the draft. Do you know how hard is this to
understand the teams they were on? Okay, look at mel
Kuiper's list. Okay, I'm so embarrassed for you.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Good. Okay, does mel Kuiper have a list? I'm sure
he There's plenty of lists.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, how many lists do you look at prior to
the draft, the rankings? Does Bucky Brooks have a drunk?
He's got rock drafts and lists and ranking in the
whole thing. Why not have all these guys and every
other young personnel executive around the league turn in his
own list that's unique to him, not his organizations in
each draft. Correct, then you can actually run the analytics
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on the picks after the fact, three and four years
down see if they're worth a darm. I mean, wouldn't
that be the most accurate way to really understand that
can these guys evaluate talent? Is that not the essentially
job requirement number one for a GM, right?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Sure? Yes, I think it would be cool. And I
think I mean, sometimes you put a list together and
you don't know where it's going. It's going to this office? Well,
I mean, like, who's going to be reading my list?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's I think that would be one of the things
I think that with a lot of people might be
hesitant about it because are they are they sitting there?
Are they taking my list and giving it to another team?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Brothers always what?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
But But That's what I'm saying is that if the
league did it, and they did it as part of
a trying to create better evaluations of talent evaluators. Okay,
if they're trying to help teams, okay, get better, why
not have that? And that it would be you know,
potentially the documents would go into a vault and they
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would be hidden and never be shared.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
How dog them what's a successful lists three and four
and five years down the road?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I mean, just like we can go back, like remember
a couple of weeks ago, we went back and evaluated
some of the past Jaguar draft picks. You know, you
can assign no can do that right then somebody else
might have a different grade, maybe for Alay. But I
think what's what's the what's success for a player pro
football get into a second contract?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Is it oh I played X number of games? Is it?
Oh I threw seventeen interceptions a season? I think it is.
I think that's a great question. I don't know, it's
a great question.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
But if PFF has a rank for a player, okay,
then you're you could use the rankings for from PFF
or some other analytics service to be able to assign
a value to those players, and then you could correspond
that with where they were raped where they were drafted
at number one, but then also where they would have
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been drafted at And is JP Shadrick's list a couple
of years is.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Another issue I have with this, And we'll move along.
We'll take a break and get Kaya here and see
Kay Stevens will join us here in a minute. Why
am I getting dinged fifteen years after I made a
list fifteen years ago that I didn't know what the
heck I was doing as a young executive. Well, I
mean you may not get dinged. I mean if your
list was terrible, right, but you're like twenty two right
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out of college. What the hell do you know there?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, I'm not saying like twenty teen, how would they
hold that against? But let's say all these years, but
you could look at let's say, for example, we're evaluating
you as one of these guys on the list. We
could go back and look at your list from the
last four or five six years. We don't have to
go back fifteen years. Okay, Well, you know we can
go back however long we want to. Law how let
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we can go to the league and say, hey, look,
JP Shattuck, we're considering him for the GM role. Can
you give us an evaluation of the draft picks that
he's turned in.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Over the last ten years?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Maybe say, you know what, let's just do it over
the last seven years, maybe the last four years, however
you want to do that, and then you could actually
look at the list that you turned in like little
physically printed out, you know, for teams that are looking
at you as a potential plating yourself with this third
round guard who didn't make it to a second contract.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But I mean, that's that's the only way you can
truly evaluate whether or not somebody can pick a really
good player, can evaluate talent properly. And why not have
some kind of central office in the league that is
helping encourage the best candidates get put in place, and
it wouldn't require a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Was like a lot of work, I think. I think
JP with AI today, Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Now we're taking away, put it in and let the
computer handle it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I don't like the idea. Let's come back in a moment.
Kay Stevens will join us in studio. We'll see what
she thinks about this. If you're crazy or not plenty ahead,
we'll hear from a Trevor Lawrence as well. He's on
the Ky Adams Up to Adams Show Earlier this week,
we'll also hear from Yudensky offensive coordinators sat down with
John Ozier plenty ahead on ten ten Excel, Jaguars dot
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Com and Jaguars YouTube. This is Jaguars Happy Hour presented
by dream Finders Homes. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I mean, obviously the play calling is super important. I
think being a head coach, there's a lot more to
it than that. Though obviously he's that's one side of
the ball and he's responsible for that as far as
our plan, and then when the game starts, you know,
he's going to be the one calling it, So of
course that's important. But I think just from the leadership perspective,
having that energy day in, day out is something I
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think our team needs. You know, we've been through a lot.
The last two seasons have been not what we expected
after what we did, you know, two years ago, and
I think this team just needs needs some juice and
I know he's.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Going to bring that.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
As players, I'm ready to lead and bring that as well,
because we all have to buy in, right, we have
to buy into what he's doing, what he's the culture
he's trying to set, or we.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Don't have a shot. Trevor Lawrence on The Up and
Adams Show with Kay Adams on FanDuel TV, also available
on YouTube earlier this week, and a long conversation with
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Fresh from Florida, It's Always in Season. JP Shadwick with
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Jaguars YouTube Kai Nannie Stevens, Jaguars reporter in studio with us,
thank you for hanging out today at work.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Of course, off s an edition, happy.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
To be here, glad to have you. Always were you
listening to this?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I cut the back end of it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
She gets it. Yeah, apparently I'm an idiot. I don't
know in the world.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
We all embarrassed for you.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
JP clearly like, well, I don't know what I'm missing,
But what do you think about all.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
This per our discussion off air?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I think it's just about kind of owning your section
of what your board looks like, is what I'm because
obviously it's a collaborative effort, right, So if you're going
in there, who the team picked might not have been
who you wanted to pick there. So maybe it's a
little bit of way of owner owning what you would
have done good or bad at the same position.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Correct, Because don't you do that anyway though?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I mean how because like you can go back and
be like I would have picked.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
What did you think of?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know, right, you look hindsight. Hindsight is twenty twenty,
you know, so, I mean you can all you know. Unfortunately, JP,
I think a lot of people get in the cya
mode when when things have for cover.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Your rear end mode.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, and so for example, let's go back to past
Jaguars drafts. Okay, let's just for example, let's go back
to the Leonard Fournette draft and okay, Dave called well
selected Leonard Fournette.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, was that Tom Well? I'm just saying, is that? Okay?
That's the point.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
If you know, and Dave Caldwell turned in his own list,
then we would know. And if John Show, who worked
in the you know, the scouting department, had Patrick Mahomes
to be taken at that spot without any shadow of
a doubt without having revisionist history in hindsight, being twenty
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twenty and making statements after the fact, you could actually
go back and say, let me see what they turned
in on the Patrick Mahomes draft. You could actually find
out whether you or Kyle or I turned in an
actual sheet that said that Patrick Mahomes should have been
drafted by the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But now you can't go back and do that. You know,
Now I can tell you, hey, man, I would I
would have drafted Patrick Mahomes all day long, when you know,
maybe I was the guy that was sitting there pound
on the desk four net Fournette Fournette. We need a
running back for our quarterback Blake Bortles, right, you know.
But that's my point is that if you have something
that's turned in on a on an annual basis that's
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kind of locked away and not shared with other people
around the league, I would I think it would help.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Well, JP doesn't trust a lot of things. Conspiracy theory, Yeah,
I wouldn't trust. Would you is it would this go
to the league in theory theory?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
In some lock box? Sure?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I mean, look, there's there's a lot of uh, mock
drafts that I think fans participate on on a yearly basis,
and they they go to different websites and they do
mock drafts and they ithere, you know, and and it
would be cool if, you know, if you could have
literally the personnel guys in the league all have their
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own rank games, you know, from one to however far
deep you want to want to go. I mean, what
does the draft have? What's how many rounds of seven rounds?
And so you have ballpark of how many picks because
you get the compensatory picks and everything else. So it's
you know, let's say two hundred and give me your
top two hundred, you know, or give me one hundred
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and fifty, whatever that may be. You know, just give
me a list of the top one hundred and fifty
guys and how you would rank them and instead of
going down to two fifty or whatever. But I mean,
I think that that would be it would be valuable
in information, and it would help me understand whether or
not JP or Kai are worth a pooh to pick
a player really, you know, because there may be some
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guys that are out there that have great opinions, but
nobody ever knows that they have great opinions because their
information or their opinions never known. And so if you
had a place that you could gather that and then
literally run the computer thing to kind of spin out
who the best talent evaluators.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
All some analytics.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean, he's locked in. He's locked in.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I just think it. I think it would provide value.
And I can tell you this. If I'm an owner
and I'm looking to hire a general manager, I want
to know who can pick the best players, because you
know what best players can You can overcome a lot
of things, plain and simple, right, I mean, but all right,
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we'll move forward here, Kai.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean, we got another we got thirty more myths.
We just heard from Trevor Lawrence. We did Adams sing
no sling. That's positive, great, right, Yeah, talking about the
relationship with Liam Cohen and the play caller, and obviously
that's a huge to It's another offense for Trevor's his
third one in the.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
NFL, absolutely, and this is probably the most important time
for him. Right. We say that every year, I feel like,
but it's getting to that point now where he's got
the contract. We know he's going to be here and
he needs to take it up a level or two,
especially with the amount of time he's been in the league.
I know it'll be a new system, but it's going
to be geared to his strengths. I don't think he'll
have a system so far that's been catered to him
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the way that this one's going to be catered to him.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So he'll have every opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And I think what you're saying by cater to him means,
in my opinion, that this offense will not be so quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Centric, correct, because he needs help.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, he needs help.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And you know when when the day one started for
him on Urban Meyer, which was a complete and utter catastrophe,
that was tough because they were kind of expecting him
to be magic and it was a very unhealthy environment.
So that was kind of a wasted year. And then
Doug Peterson and Press Taylor's offense very quarterback centric. It
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was a past first offense, clearly without doubt, and I
don't think Trevor was ready for that, and there's a
lot of quarterbacks that aren't ready for Look, Patrick Mahomes
needed help in the Super Bowl, didn't he did I
mean did he not? I mean ran the ball if
they could run the ball in the Super Bowl, which
they did not, I mean Patrick Mahomes couldn't shoulder the load.
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And so you need to be able to develop that
part of the offense. And I think Kai is dead
on the money when she's saying that develop an offense
around him, which means based on what he can and
can't do yet, and then the more he can do,
then the more you open the offense up to him.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Defensively, Yes, new mindset, new era of defensive Jaguars football
feels like sure.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think we need to go as far away from
last season with the defense as we can do, not
in terms of players necessarily, but just in.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Terms of the way that they did things.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And I think what I heard, at least from the
presser and what we've heard from some of the coaches
so far, is that they're going to have X dictations
for them and they're not saying, hey, we're going to
do it this way no matter what. I felt like
a lot of the a lot of last year we
were like Nielsen was rotating people and doing the things
that he wanted to do, whether or not it was working.
And I understand you want to stick to your skill
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what you think is your strong suit. That's fine, but
if it's not working, you need to adapt a little bit.
And I also think there's something to be said for
adapting to the opponent you're playing. Especially on defense, you
need to adapt your style or whatever to what the
offense is going to be doing. So I like the
way that.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It's being discussed.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I also like the way that we've heard about accountability
and kind of expectations of people. Not necessarily, I mean,
you want to play to people's skill set, but also
if you're playing that position, I need you to do
certain things and if you can't do that, then somebody
else is going to have to do it.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
And I think there's.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I think that needs to be put in people's minds
that I have to be able to do these things
to keep my job and not just I'll be doing
this no matter what because this is my job.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Doing my job.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm all for that, you know, because this new era,
I think is uh. The old era was one of
not knowing what the hell you were supposed to do.
I mean, I hate to say that whose false is
that coaching? I put that on coaching. I mean, that's
that's your directive, right, I mean, that's the teaching part
of it. I mean, and it's not all coaching. I'm
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just kind of being a little bit top players. It's
all both. But it's but you know, here's the here's
the thing, JP. You gave up the most explosives in
the National Football League. And the reason that you gave
up the most explosive in the National Football League for
for the most part, was you were having mental breakdowns.
You had mes mental errors and you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Didn't have that the year before.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, it's kind of the same player as the year before.
So what changed, well, I mean the coaching staff change
on the defensive side of the ball, you know. I mean,
and the one thing that I love about Campanilli is
where he comes from. You watched Green Bay and we
obviously got a chance to see Green Bay here in
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Jacksonville this year play the Jaguars. The calling card of
Green Bay's defense is that they left no open areas
with their defense. Well coached, fundamentally sound, physical, played fast.
Give me that all day long off coming off a
year after what we just saw arguably the worst defense
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in the National Football League, arguably the worst defense in
franchise history. I'll take what Green Bay was doing all day.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Was it green Bay personnel better than the Jaguars defensive
personnel last year? Just as it on paper?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I mean, that's a great debate, it's a great conversation.
I would say green Bay was a little bit better
for the most part, but it wasn't that much better.
I mean, not to the point where the Jaguars are
at the bottom in green Bay. Were were they ranked
that last year? It's out of curiosity. We're talking about
rankings and pff and let me.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Turn in my scouting report. Yeah, rank them for me.
We'll review it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Three years awesome, I'll look it up real quickly. But
I'm just I'm gonna real curious to see where that is.
But I mean, that was the calling card of green Bay.
They have a really good defensive tackle. They have one
good defensive end, a good linebacker. But I mean, it's
not like they're overloaded with talent.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Green Bay on defense last year third in the NFL
in total d eleventh against the run, second against the pass,
first on third down. There you go eighteen percent on
third down. That's pretty credit.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And look, I think they're a little a little better
in some areas talent wise, But the biggest thing is
with Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
That's postseason. I'm sorry hanging on green Bay fifth, seventh, thirteenth,
same top.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Of the yes, but what they had their performance in
the back end, I think, and I think their talent
in the back end definitely better than this teams.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yes, absolutely, clearly. My frustration was Obviously we talked about
the exposive plays. That's been an issue forever.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
It was.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It was as if it was never addressed though, it
would always be the problem, and then they would just continue,
whether it's the same players or however you want to do,
whatever you wanted to change. There should have been some change,
and we didn't see any change until like two or
three weeks left in the season.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
In other words, if Kai makes a mistake, do we
make Kyle a defensive captain next week? Yeah, she's made
three weeks of mental layers, so do we make her
a captain the next week?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I mean, that's kind of stuff that was happening exactly.
It's just I hate to say that.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
You can't say you're.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Holding people accountable and you're doing stuff like that. So
it was and I'm sure fans felt this way as well.
It's just frustrating watchings say feel like you can identify
a problem. It's so glaring that you can identify a
problem and that they're not choosing to do anything different.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We get the rankings correct on the Green Bay defense
last year the postseason, I was like, you knows that
up to you mess it up? Well I did. I'm like,
got a roll today. Fifth overall defense, seventh, rushing defense, thirteenth,
passing defense, twelfth in the league on third down thirty
eight percent and nineteen point nine points per game. I mean,
that's that's good defense, really good.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
We would love that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, take that any day. To take some of that,
it'd be good.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And you know, and get bet you got to get
better talent, but then you have to be able to
play a more solid, fundamentally sound system. Final thought with
the KAI and GM interviews, one more tomorrow and then
we should have a decision by the weekend, right.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I mean, they have to write the combines next week,
so you got to get somebody, get send somebody up
to Indie next week. So I think they've they've definitely
reached the home stretch at this point. I'm busy in
the building as we know, so I'm excited to see
I Obviously we're not privy to exactly what that is.
I'm sure as Jeff was mentioning, it's a lot of
when you meet them and kind of what they're talking about.
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Aaron Valdment has been in the past, because we don't know, right,
So like you can look at how where they worked,
what the drafts look like, but you need to know
what their roles were in that.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
So, yeah, I'm excited to see what it is.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's fun seeing Bisselli walking in and the photos
out on X of him walking in with these candidate
it's pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yes, he can't wear flip flops anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Though, thank goodness, my gosh, to win for all of us,
it certainly is I can't you wear flip flops? I mean,
it's his building, you can do what he wants.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Well, we'll see, I mean it's still like what the
first couple of weeks. We'll see if it evolves.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think I think he went enough games. You can
wear whatever the heck you.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Want, right, I mean flip flops, so you know, have
a have its moments when they're appropriate.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
At the beach.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeezeh JP looks And here's the thing, do you guys
have a favorite?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Do you guys have in the pas?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I don't know them, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But if you knew who they were wanting to pick.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It was almost as if I had some statistics then
I would be able to make a better judgment about
who right.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's great, Kai, have a great weekend, k can you
stick around for another segment?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Handled?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think to take the rest of the show off
YouTube can handle it. How about that? Thanks? Kay, hy
Stevens joining us in the studio. Back in the moment,
we'll hear from Bucky Brooks on this interview process. It's
on tenon XL, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube Jaguars
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Speaker 6 (30:37):
You're trying to see if their vision for building the team,
Matthew's division at the head coach, and even Tony Bucelli's
vision as the executive vice president. You want to make
sure that everyone is in lockstep and the team building process.
They're in lockstep when it comes to the type of
players that you want on the roster. And then you
want to explain you want them to explain their procedures
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in terms of how you get to selecting the right guys.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
How do you put it all together?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
What do we do if we have disagreements.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
In terms of this player and that player.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
You're trying to see if the guy that you're bringing
in if they can play nice in the sandbox when
we have these disagreements that eventually happened.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's Bucky Brooks, NFL Network and Jaguars Radio analyst Stan
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here we go. The NFL Scouting Combine coming up next
week in Indianapolis. What do the players start getting there?
(32:24):
So they'll be I think you're going there, right, Yeah,
we're gonna be there. Osh will be there. We've got
a big group going to cover it from Radio Row
and some behind the scenes coverage of the executives and
a lot of stuff that we'll get to a little
bit later in this offseason, but looking forward to some
really outstanding access to the combine. Actually, So we'll be
(32:46):
there starting Monday. We'll be on the air with the
coaching GM I think they're at the press conferences on Tuesday,
we'll carry those. They'll make the Radio Row rounds that day.
We'll have live show Wednesday, another one Thursday with Happy
Hour guests on those and might be a little surprised
(33:07):
for the Thursday Happy Hour show from Radio Row. We'll
get to that coming up maybe next week. Maybe could
be an interesting reunion sort we'll see, we'll get to that.
So that's that's all coming up. That's next week, and
they'll be you know, there's a lot of work to
be done for this coaching staff too, and personnel staff,
(33:27):
so they aren't gonna waste much time. They're gonna be,
you know, when they're not talking to prospects and things,
they'll I think probably have meetings and things on their
own where they're trying to get this offense and defense
together and ready for when the players come in.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well that and then also as a as a coaching staff,
you know, you're you're also trying to watch some of
the prospects because I think you know what Bucky talked about,
and he was spot on about getting everybody in lockstep together.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And in order to be in.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Lockstep together, everybody kind of has to share what they
believe is an opinion on certain players. And the coaching
staff is part of that opinion because the coaching staff
has certain players that they want for their system, and
then the GM's job is there to support that with
the best players.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
In the right players. But the coaches, you want to
have their input on it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And so the coaches are going to be watching prospects
as well as talking to prospects, and then they're also
going to be working on their scheme, their off season schedule,
the free agency that's coming up, which is literally right
around the corner, we'll be here before you know it,
which is going to be the first way of improving
your roster. So there's a lot to do, a lot
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to do, especially when you don't have a GM in place.
But once that GM is in place, then there's a
lot of rowing that needs to be done together to
get to where you want to be.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Talking about free agency, there was an article yesterday the
NFL salary cap for actions could be twenty to twenty
five million dollars higher.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's I mean, it's like every year it takes this
significant jump and you're like, when's it just gonna slow
down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't think it's slow down, and it hasn't, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
And then I was reading an article today that the
forty nine ers are considering selling some of the ownership
ten percent of the team selling it. The valuation they're
talking about with the forty nine ers is like nine billion.
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I mean, so you're talking nine hundred million dollars in
raising capital by selling ten percent straight cash.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And so you sit there and you go, my god,
I mean nine hundred million, which would have bought you
three franchises when the Jaguars came into existence. And I
mean three really good franchises. It's just crazy where the
numbers have gone. But that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I mean, it's when you've got the most popular sport,
when you have the most watched television programming, when you
have is it like forty eight of the top fifties
shows every year of football?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes? Yeah, I mean it's it's not only the top programs,
it's the top sport, the top programs period. You know,
I mean who watches TV anymore? I mean a lot
of people don't. Not the TV is the way we
used to watch it. But here's the one thing that
people keep tuning in on football, the NFL. College football,
(36:43):
by the way, depends the way you are, depends where
you are. What's that guy's name that went to Miami Beck,
Carson Beach.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, he's from maandar in high school. Actually, what are
you doing, Carson Beck?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
What do you mean? Whatever do you mean? Okay, he
was at Georgia, right, he was Okay? And and this
is this is a young man that I would love
to be able to reach for me just called his house.
I mean, I mean, and I mean something. He needs
some help, okay, because when you go to college with
the nil okay, and there's nothing wrong with I'm all
(37:16):
for making for college players making money, not against that whatsoever.
But you don't go to college to make money and
then to buy a Lamborghini and then a Mercedes Benz
and then have it stolen out of your yard in Florida,
South Florida. Who says he bought him, Well, if it
was they were his, then I mean he's probably Here's
(37:40):
the other thing, JP. If whether he bought them or
whether he's leasing them or whether he's renting them, that's
not that's not spending your money wisely. But it's his money. Yeah,
And you know what, it won't be his money for long.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
You keep buying Lamborghinis or leasing Lamborghini and buying Mercedes
or leasing Mercedes, You're not gonna have much money for long, buddy,
Keep on spending it, okay, because one day, if all
of a sudden you're not playing in the National Football League, okay,
your eligibility is gonna be up, which means you're not
gonna be making any nil money.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Then what are you gonna do? You'd like to be
able to convert that four or five year old Lamborghini
back to the original mount that you spend for it. Yeah,
I don't lose much though, as soon as you buy it.
Soon as you buy it and you drive it off
the lot, the value at boom down. It's just it's
just like, what are you doing? Man to Somebody will
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give him some proper advice on setting yourself up for
the long term instead of the near term. I mean,
do you really need a Lamborghini and a Mercedes Benz
to drive? How far is to drive on campus? I
don't know where he lives. I have no idea. You
can ride a bike cool Gables, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean by yourself a shwim bro okay, and if
you got a girl down there, okay, get a tandem shwim.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, she got her car stolen too, apparently which one
was hers? Some suv is another car a different car.
It is probably all three got stolen and they found
hers apparently, according to the story. I don't know. That's
today's financial literacy. I read that conversation. What are you doing, man,
what are you doing? Let's come back. I don't know
(39:31):
what the heck we're gonna talk about when we come back.
I have no idea that could be anything. Well, look,
I'm just trying to help a guy out JP. Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I mean, that's the one thing that I always, I
always was, would get.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So frustrated with sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You know, you have certain guys that you know, you
try to help them out to save some money.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I mean, I'll give you a story and we get back.
You give you any story you want. Okay, We're on
Jaguars YouTube. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
I don't know that I think about it in the
sense of age being ready.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Because people typically.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Will ask about the experiences and what makes you ready,
And I think that I've been unbelievably fortunate should be
around really good people and have different unique experiences, whether
it's coaching on defense or spending time with Kevin o'collam
Minnesota or my time in Carolina. So I think it's
more so the experiences that I've had that have brought
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me to this point, and I really can't control those
things in terms of the number of my age. So
It's not something that I concern myself a ton with,
but I would say I definitely try to make take
every measure possible to ensure that I'm doing everything I
can to be prepared for whatever responsibility is thrown my way.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That is Grant Yudinski, the Jaguars offensive coordinator, on the
ozone podcast It's Back. It's something the Official Jaguars Podcast
network should be up soon. If not already, check it out.
You'll hear the conversation with John Oser and the new
Jaguars OC Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour j Ap
Shadwick with Jeff Logman. We're at the Hondai Studios, Miller
(41:20):
Electric Center ten TENXL, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube and
Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by dream Finders Homes, official
homebuilder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. A busy time ahead, of
course in the NFL. A lot of important dates coming
up around the National Football League. The scouting combine of course,
starting next week going through March third, and Indy. March
(41:43):
fourth is the franchise or transition player deadline. If you're
going to do that, got to get it done by
March fourth. March ten through twelve the free agency negotiation period,
the air quote legal tampering period. It's a two day
actually a three day window up until the start of
the league year. It's March twelfth at four o'clock Eastern time.
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That's when free agency officially begins. March thirty through April
second is the NFL annual meeting known as the Owners'
Meetings down in Palm Beach. This year, April seventh is
the beginning of the offseason program for teams with new
head coaches, including the Jaguars, two weeks ahead of all
the rest of the teams in the NFL Draft April
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twenty four through twenty six in Green Bay, Wisconsin. So
the calendar never stops in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's gonna be wild a draft in Green Bay. Yeah,
it's pretty pretty cool. We will send some representatives from
Jaguars Dot. Yeah, Brian's usually Brian Goes.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Goes, especially if it's a top five.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Most likely the pick is in is there, So there's
gonna be a lot of people staying in Milwaukee. You
don't think Appleton has enough for room, I mean no, no,
you get Airbnb's house across this there's gonna be a
lot of airbnbs in Green Bay, right, Yeah, there's gonna
be a lot of people that are going to say,
(43:05):
you know what, We're just gonna go ahead and pack
up and move.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
No, that would be fun like to one day be
able to tailgate in those houses right across the street
from Lambeau. Yeah, that'd be frodge doors open. Yeah, I've
seen photos of it. It's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
But put the TVs outside and just listen to the
roar of the stadium. Come on, the only problem is
is that TV has a delay, so you're gonna hear
the roar before they actually see what happened through Oh
something's going on. Yeah, which is not exactly the optimum
set up. But uh but yeah, but I you know, look,
it's not far away and rotating this draft everywhere. By
the way, Pittsburgh next year. Yeah, and it'll be interesting
(43:40):
to see how many prospects actually attend.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
The draft this year. Yeah. It's a good one. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It's not New York. It's not you know, this uh
attractive big city Vegas, you know, yeah, I mean, it's uh,
I think shed Her Sanders has already said that he's
not gonna be in attendance, which, look, I get it.
I mean a lot of times when when the draft
rolls around, you want to be able to celebrate with,
you know, the people that helped you get there, friends, family, coaches, teammates,
(44:08):
and when you go to the draft. It's not like
you can just bring all them along. I mean you can,
but that's not very talking about being you know, being
wise with your money like we.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Just talked about.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
But but I mean, I think it's going to be
interesting to see how how it turns out. But I mean,
look after watching it for the last couple of years,
when it's been at different venues and the great job
that every venue has been able to do with the Draft,
I'm looking forward to Green Bays version. Hopefully we'll get
it here sometimes new stadium and all that hotel and
if there's development nearby that would be the key. Well,
(44:44):
I mean it's uh, where was it at last year.
I'm trying to remember where they've been the last couple
of years. I mean, Cleveland, Cleveland, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I mean it's I mean, some of these places are
getting a couple hundred thousand people. One one was Cleveland
twenty two was Vegas, twenty three was Kansas City, twenty
four was Detroit, Detroit. This year's Green Bay, Pittsburgh in
twenty six, Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be Nashville. Twenty nineteen
was really the one. I mean that on the Broadway,
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the whole thing. Yeah, they killed it.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean there's certain cities that are just made for
hosting some of the events like that, and Nashville. I mean, look,
like I said before, I'm a huge fan of Nashville.
You know, every year when we go on the road
and we visit all of the teams around the National
Football League that are on the schedule, Nashville is one
of the I'm very glad that that's in our division
so we can go there every year.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
It's a great town. It's great Town's got a lot
of great things to see and to listen to, and
it's you know, it's centrally located, which is you know,
that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
If there wasn't that darn football game on Sunday, it'd
be one heck of a weekend. Yeah yeah, you know,
I mean you know what I mean, Yeah, that's u
and it's easy for fans to go. I mean there's
a you can get it. I think there's a nine
stop on one of the airlines to Nashville here from
Javille to Nashville. Yeah, it's easy. Even it's a healthy drive,
but it's drivable. I mean it's a poke, but I
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mean it's it's you know, that's a pretty good drive. Yeah,
but it's it's doable for a lot of Southwest I
think directors. I think they does or still does used
to have one of the other direct flights.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
But that's that's a great city. Pittsburgh. I think that'll
be cool just.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Because I mean, look it's it's Pittsburgh, man, I mean,
you got history there with the Steel Curtain. I'm curious
where in Pittsburgh is going to do it though, Yeah,
I don't know. It's a great question. You know, it
felt like there's a theater right next to them. Nobody,
nobody is really doing it in one particular venue because
I mean what they're doing is they're building the venue
(46:48):
outdoors to be able to handle the masses. Yeah, you know,
so I don't think it so much depends on a
city that has a venue that can handle it, because
they're just building them temporarily. Point Park. That's where they
might have it, right there on the point, on the
confluence with the fountain and the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Why not easy to get to infrastructure already in place,
you know, downtown, right, yeah, I mean, it'd be perfect.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Makes sense to me have the stadium.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Also, they didn't ask me there attractions there at the stadium.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It'll be fun. What are you gonna watch any of
the combine workouts? Do you get into that? No? No, no,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I mean, I put it this way. I catch the highlights,
but I'm not going to tune in and watch watch
it and grind it out.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Give me the.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Highlights, give me the important information. I'd rather spend that
time watching players play football as opposed to run around
in shorts and underwear. Mean, I mean, now, a few
of the top end prospects, you know that, you know,
the most draft prognosticators are going to have in the
top ten or fifteen. I'll pay close attention to what
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they're doing, just because obviously the Jaguars picking at five
gonna have something to say about you know, those players.
But for the most part, again, I'd rather watch players
play football real quick.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
How many times right now? Could you be expressed to
twenty five me right now?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Eight okay, eight. Maybe I don't want to call you out.
Maybe I'm just curious. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
And I wouldn't even want to do it because I'd
be scared about popping a muscle something.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It would be on camera too.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
We'll talk to you man in a couple of weeks, yeah,
and I'll work on my.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Two twenty three flogging it. I'm JP Shadwick. Thanks for listening.
It's Jaguars Happy Hour.
Ashell is a great city, you know, with the live
(00:01):
music in the whole nine yards. But Charleston is just
a great Southern city with great food and lots of attractions.
Got a main drag, you know, people like to shop,
but the food is the biggest attraction there, Southern food.
The cuisine there is exceptional, Ye, seafood, all that stuff.
Everything you pick it, you can get it, no doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But now we're back, Yeah, back to reality. GM interviews
going on. Yeah, five finalists to yesterday, Two more today,
one on the docket tomorrow. I could see a decision
and maybe an offer tomorrow afternoon. Yeah, by the end of.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The week, Yeah, I mean sometime by the weekend, I
think a decision will be made. I mean, look, the
combine is starting what next week, So I think the
whole purpose that Chad talked about was getting this done
before the combine, and you really need to have it
done by the combine because you really need to start
kind of establishing where the directives are, you know, where
(01:02):
the concentration is going to be. Kind of get the
coaching staff, the general manager or the talent evaluators all
unlock step together and that's you know, it's going to
be kind of on the run a little bit at
the combine, but at least it's on the run at
the combine. So that's why you don't want to wait
any further than this week.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It'll be that GM's first for a in front of
the national media. Whatever they show up at the combine
as well, there'll be some media time I think on Tuesday,
a lot of yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know, I don't think whoever they select, and I
don't have any idea of who's in the lead or
anything else of that nature, but none of these guys
that are kind of in the final list have been
general managers before, correct, But I think there's been opportunities
for a lot of these guys to kind of be
in front of the microphone and in front of the
(01:51):
camera before. I mean, just like Ethan Wah, the interim
general manager, who is a final candidate by the way,
has been in front of the camera and the microphone
before and has done an excellent job. I think there's opportunities.
So I expect.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Whoever they hire to have a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Experience with doing some of that because it's going to
be hit the ground running and getting to work. But
also you've got to handle a lot of media responsibilities
right out of the gate, your introductory press conference, which
is going to be in Jacksonville, and then your introductory
press conference at the Combine, which is going to be
even in more depth. And then you've got to, you know,
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literally start interviewing people to put your staff together in
the personnel department, and change will be coming there to
some degree whatever, you know, whatever direction they go, you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Gotta be ready for. As we said, three weeks away
from the start of the league year free agency, how
much do you really want to be involved in that
front first wave of free agency. There's more money in
the salary cap. We'll get to that coming up. I mean,
all that's a lot of table right now. I mean
it's a lot of work. I mean it's a lot
of work, and so you can't waste any time. And look,
I'm not saying that they're wasting time right now, because
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I don't think they are. They're taking their time and
they're making a really good decision and taking a lot
of things into account and a lot of opinions into account,
which is good, and that's a positive thing. I'd rather
take an extra couple of weeks and have a good
ten to fifteen year decision than you know, rush it
and ain't get it wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's funny that you say that you know ten ten
to fifteen year decision because you know, in the way
and I stopped by John Dever's office, who's the head
PR guy for the Jaguars, and you know, just checking
in seeing how he's doing, you know, just shooting the breeze.
And I said, you know, how's you had any time off?
And he's, you know, of course, with all the things
that have been happening with the organization, there's been little
to no time off for anybody that in that department.
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And he said, you know, you hopefully, you know, get
a little time off here in the future. And I said,
you know, well, hopefully you make the right decision and
then you're not going to have to do this for
fifteen more years, right, you know, and really not even
And the reason you're doing it fifteen years from now
is because you've groomed somebody to take oh, you know,
kind of if you look at the situation in Baltimore
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with Ozzie Newsom and Eric DaCosta, I mean, that's like
the model franchise and that that's who you're trying to
be like from a personnel standpoint, if you can emulate
them in some way, shape or form and accomplish what
they've been able to accomplish with first of all, the
job that Ozzie Knewsom did and I think the job
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that Eric DaCosta continues to do in the seamless transition
with that look, that's that's where you want to be.
And I think that's been the biggest downfall of this
organization from the get go has been what is the
lifeblood of every franchise, which is talent acquisition, which has
been a problem since the Coughlin era ended, and it's
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been a struggle and unfortunately that's I think what has
been keeping this organization. It's been holding it back.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
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JP Shadwick with Jeff Loogoman on ten TONXXL, Jaguars dot
(05:18):
Com and Jaguars YouTube. It is Jaguars Happy Hour. Let's
take a look at the five finalists for general manager
of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Ian Cunningham, Bears Assistant GM, has
already been in the building this week. James Gladstone, the
Rams director of scouting Strategy. John Eric Sullivan has been
with the Packers since he was an intern back in
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like two thousand and three. He's now the VP of
player Personnel there. Ethan Wall the Jaguars interim general manager,
long time in San Francisco before that, of course, Josh
Williams with the forty nine Ers currently as director of
scouting and football Operations you talked about. None of these
guys have been gms before. Ethan Wall has been in
the league for probably the longest of any of these candidates,
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a long time in San Francisco working his way in
the player of personnel side of things. And then Johnny
Erick Sullivan is at the VP level with the Packers.
The other three don't have a whole lot of lengthy
experience in the league, and you've got to see if
they're ready to take that big next step to the
big chair, well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
A big step in other words, that you've got to
be able to work with other people. You've got an EVP,
a head coach, you know, that's going to form kind
of the organizational threesome, you know, as far as on
the football side of things, and you've got to be
able to work well with others. But the most important
characteristic or trade is that you need to be able
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to pick the horses. And not to offend any NFL
player by saying they're horses, because I was one and
kind of went through the same process. But you've got
to be able to pick the talent that's going to
sustain the franchise as a perennial winner.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's not easy to do.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And I almost wish that the league had because you know,
there's there's a lot of programs that they're doing to
help people along, so to speak, right Like they're having
different meetings with owners with minority candidates to get their
names and their faces and conversations out there. Well, I
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wish the league would have Essentially, it's like a personnel.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Office.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And so here's here's what I'm proposing. Okay, I wonder
if Rogers listening and see. See here's let me know
what you think. There's a lot of personnel guys around
the league, A lot of them that work in uh
every organization, some of them that are out of football
right now that were previously employed. I think it would
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be great to like have a office to where let's say,
me and you work for different teams when we're young
and we want to be a GM one day.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I am young, okay. You, on the other hand, I
am not.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But if we were able, and you know, we had
a list of players that we could turn in, you know,
on a year to year basis, and then it goes
into a computer, and then the league could look at
where their player rankings were at so that you could
find the best personnel value evaluators on a year to
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year basis. So in other words, Jay, you don't think
they do that, No, they don't. But what would the
print out look like? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think well, first of all, you would turn in
a sheet of your player rankings.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, okay, it's you. It's you, not your teams, nobody else's,
it's yours.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I would turn one in, okay, and then We're going
to keep doing this year after year, and then the
league's going to be able to have an idea of
what what our picks would have been in the draft
over the last five, six, seven, eight years, however many
years that we've participated in this process, and then you
could actually run analytics on the picks that we're turning
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in to find out who the best talent evaluators actually are.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You don't think they do that already? No, But how
did this matter for this process? Because these are I'm
just saying, is that wouldn't it be great? JP?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
If In Cunningham and James Gladstone and John Eric Sullivan
and Ethan.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Waugh and Josh Williams all turned in their own picks,
don't I say they didn't make picks, None of them.
I'm not asking them to make real picks. JP.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm saying, give me their list of player rankings in
the draft. Do you know how hard is this to
understand the teams they were on? Okay, look at mel
Kuiper's list. Okay, I'm so embarrassed for you.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Good. Okay, does mel Kuiper have a list? I'm sure
he There's plenty of lists.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, how many lists do you look at prior to
the draft, the rankings? Does Bucky Brooks have a drunk?
He's got rock drafts and lists and ranking in the
whole thing. Why not have all these guys and every
other young personnel executive around the league turn in his
own list that's unique to him, not his organizations in
each draft. Correct, then you can actually run the analytics
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on the picks after the fact, three and four years
down see if they're worth a darm. I mean, wouldn't
that be the most accurate way to really understand that
can these guys evaluate talent? Is that not the essentially
job requirement number one for a GM, right?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Sure? Yes, I think it would be cool. And I
think I mean, sometimes you put a list together and
you don't know where it's going. It's going to this office? Well,
I mean, like, who's going to be reading my list?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's I think that would be one of the things
I think that with a lot of people might be
hesitant about it because are they are they sitting there?
Are they taking my list and giving it to another team?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Brothers always what?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
But But That's what I'm saying is that if the
league did it, and they did it as part of
a trying to create better evaluations of talent evaluators. Okay,
if they're trying to help teams, okay, get better, why
not have that? And that it would be you know,
potentially the documents would go into a vault and they
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would be hidden and never be shared.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
How dog them what's a successful lists three and four
and five years down the road?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I mean, just like we can go back, like remember
a couple of weeks ago, we went back and evaluated
some of the past Jaguar draft picks. You know, you
can assign no can do that right then somebody else
might have a different grade, maybe for Alay. But I
think what's what's the what's success for a player pro
football get into a second contract?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Is it oh I played X number of games? Is it?
Oh I threw seventeen interceptions a season? I think it is.
I think that's a great question. I don't know, it's
a great question.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
But if PFF has a rank for a player, okay,
then you're you could use the rankings for from PFF
or some other analytics service to be able to assign
a value to those players, and then you could correspond
that with where they were raped where they were drafted
at number one, but then also where they would have
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been drafted at And is JP Shadrick's list a couple
of years is.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Another issue I have with this, And we'll move along.
We'll take a break and get Kaya here and see
Kay Stevens will join us here in a minute. Why
am I getting dinged fifteen years after I made a
list fifteen years ago that I didn't know what the
heck I was doing as a young executive. Well, I
mean you may not get dinged. I mean if your
list was terrible, right, but you're like twenty two right
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out of college. What the hell do you know there?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, I'm not saying like twenty teen, how would they
hold that against? But let's say all these years, but
you could look at let's say, for example, we're evaluating
you as one of these guys on the list. We
could go back and look at your list from the
last four or five six years. We don't have to
go back fifteen years. Okay, Well, you know we can
go back however long we want to. Law how let
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we can go to the league and say, hey, look,
JP Shattuck, we're considering him for the GM role. Can
you give us an evaluation of the draft picks that
he's turned in.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Over the last ten years?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Maybe say, you know what, let's just do it over
the last seven years, maybe the last four years, however
you want to do that, and then you could actually
look at the list that you turned in like little
physically printed out, you know, for teams that are looking
at you as a potential plating yourself with this third
round guard who didn't make it to a second contract.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But I mean, that's that's the only way you can
truly evaluate whether or not somebody can pick a really
good player, can evaluate talent properly. And why not have
some kind of central office in the league that is
helping encourage the best candidates get put in place, and
it wouldn't require a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Was like a lot of work, I think. I think
JP with AI today, Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Now we're taking away, put it in and let the
computer handle it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I don't like the idea. Let's come back in a moment.
Kay Stevens will join us in studio. We'll see what
she thinks about this. If you're crazy or not plenty ahead,
we'll hear from a Trevor Lawrence as well. He's on
the Ky Adams Up to Adams Show Earlier this week,
we'll also hear from Yudensky offensive coordinators sat down with
John Ozier plenty ahead on ten ten Excel, Jaguars dot
(14:31):
Com and Jaguars YouTube. This is Jaguars Happy Hour presented
by dream Finders Homes. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I mean, obviously the play calling is super important. I
think being a head coach, there's a lot more to
it than that. Though obviously he's that's one side of
the ball and he's responsible for that as far as
our plan, and then when the game starts, you know,
he's going to be the one calling it, So of
course that's important. But I think just from the leadership perspective,
having that energy day in, day out is something I
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think our team needs. You know, we've been through a lot.
The last two seasons have been not what we expected
after what we did, you know, two years ago, and
I think this team just needs needs some juice and
I know he's.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Going to bring that.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
As players, I'm ready to lead and bring that as well,
because we all have to buy in, right, we have
to buy into what he's doing, what he's the culture
he's trying to set, or we.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Don't have a shot. Trevor Lawrence on The Up and
Adams Show with Kay Adams on FanDuel TV, also available
on YouTube earlier this week, and a long conversation with
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Fresh from Florida, It's Always in Season. JP Shadwick with
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(15:48):
the Miller Electric Center. Ten to XL, Jaguars dot Com,
Jaguars YouTube Kai Nannie Stevens, Jaguars reporter in studio with us,
thank you for hanging out today at work.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Of course, off s an edition, happy.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
To be here, glad to have you. Always were you
listening to this?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I cut the back end of it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
She gets it. Yeah, apparently I'm an idiot. I don't
know in the world.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
We all embarrassed for you.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
JP clearly like, well, I don't know what I'm missing,
But what do you think about all.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
This per our discussion off air?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I think it's just about kind of owning your section
of what your board looks like, is what I'm because
obviously it's a collaborative effort, right, So if you're going
in there, who the team picked might not have been
who you wanted to pick there. So maybe it's a
little bit of way of owner owning what you would
have done good or bad at the same position.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Correct, Because don't you do that anyway though?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I mean how because like you can go back and
be like I would have picked.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
What did you think of?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know, right, you look hindsight. Hindsight is twenty twenty,
you know, so, I mean you can all you know. Unfortunately, JP,
I think a lot of people get in the cya
mode when when things have for cover.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Your rear end mode.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, and so for example, let's go back to past
Jaguars drafts. Okay, let's just for example, let's go back
to the Leonard Fournette draft and okay, Dave called well
selected Leonard Fournette.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, was that Tom Well? I'm just saying, is that? Okay?
That's the point.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
If you know, and Dave Caldwell turned in his own list,
then we would know. And if John Show, who worked
in the you know, the scouting department, had Patrick Mahomes
to be taken at that spot without any shadow of
a doubt without having revisionist history in hindsight, being twenty
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twenty and making statements after the fact, you could actually
go back and say, let me see what they turned
in on the Patrick Mahomes draft. You could actually find
out whether you or Kyle or I turned in an
actual sheet that said that Patrick Mahomes should have been
drafted by the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But now you can't go back and do that. You know,
Now I can tell you, hey, man, I would I
would have drafted Patrick Mahomes all day long, when you know,
maybe I was the guy that was sitting there pound
on the desk four net Fournette Fournette. We need a
running back for our quarterback Blake Bortles, right, you know.
But that's my point is that if you have something
that's turned in on a on an annual basis that's
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kind of locked away and not shared with other people
around the league, I would I think it would help.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Well, JP doesn't trust a lot of things. Conspiracy theory, Yeah,
I wouldn't trust. Would you is it would this go
to the league in theory theory?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
In some lock box? Sure?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I mean, look, there's there's a lot of uh, mock
drafts that I think fans participate on on a yearly basis,
and they they go to different websites and they do
mock drafts and they ithere, you know, and and it
would be cool if, you know, if you could have
literally the personnel guys in the league all have their
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own rank games, you know, from one to however far
deep you want to want to go. I mean, what
does the draft have? What's how many rounds of seven rounds?
And so you have ballpark of how many picks because
you get the compensatory picks and everything else. So it's
you know, let's say two hundred and give me your
top two hundred, you know, or give me one hundred
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and fifty, whatever that may be. You know, just give
me a list of the top one hundred and fifty
guys and how you would rank them and instead of
going down to two fifty or whatever. But I mean,
I think that that would be it would be valuable
in information, and it would help me understand whether or
not JP or Kai are worth a pooh to pick
a player really, you know, because there may be some
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guys that are out there that have great opinions, but
nobody ever knows that they have great opinions because their
information or their opinions never known. And so if you
had a place that you could gather that and then
literally run the computer thing to kind of spin out
who the best talent evaluators.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
All some analytics.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean, he's locked in. He's locked in.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I just think it. I think it would provide value.
And I can tell you this. If I'm an owner
and I'm looking to hire a general manager, I want
to know who can pick the best players, because you
know what best players can You can overcome a lot
of things, plain and simple, right, I mean, but all right,
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we'll move forward here, Kai.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean, we got another we got thirty more myths.
We just heard from Trevor Lawrence. We did Adams sing
no sling. That's positive, great, right, Yeah, talking about the
relationship with Liam Cohen and the play caller, and obviously
that's a huge to It's another offense for Trevor's his
third one in the.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
NFL, absolutely, and this is probably the most important time
for him. Right. We say that every year, I feel like,
but it's getting to that point now where he's got
the contract. We know he's going to be here and
he needs to take it up a level or two,
especially with the amount of time he's been in the league.
I know it'll be a new system, but it's going
to be geared to his strengths. I don't think he'll
have a system so far that's been catered to him
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the way that this one's going to be catered to him.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So he'll have every opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And I think what you're saying by cater to him means,
in my opinion, that this offense will not be so quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Centric, correct, because he needs help.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, he needs help.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And you know when when the day one started for
him on Urban Meyer, which was a complete and utter catastrophe,
that was tough because they were kind of expecting him
to be magic and it was a very unhealthy environment.
So that was kind of a wasted year. And then
Doug Peterson and Press Taylor's offense very quarterback centric. It
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was a past first offense, clearly without doubt, and I
don't think Trevor was ready for that, and there's a
lot of quarterbacks that aren't ready for Look, Patrick Mahomes
needed help in the Super Bowl, didn't he did I
mean did he not? I mean ran the ball if
they could run the ball in the Super Bowl, which
they did not, I mean Patrick Mahomes couldn't shoulder the load.
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And so you need to be able to develop that
part of the offense. And I think Kai is dead
on the money when she's saying that develop an offense
around him, which means based on what he can and
can't do yet, and then the more he can do,
then the more you open the offense up to him.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Defensively, Yes, new mindset, new era of defensive Jaguars football
feels like sure.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think we need to go as far away from
last season with the defense as we can do, not
in terms of players necessarily, but just in.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Terms of the way that they did things.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And I think what I heard, at least from the
presser and what we've heard from some of the coaches
so far, is that they're going to have X dictations
for them and they're not saying, hey, we're going to
do it this way no matter what. I felt like
a lot of the a lot of last year we
were like Nielsen was rotating people and doing the things
that he wanted to do, whether or not it was working.
And I understand you want to stick to your skill
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what you think is your strong suit. That's fine, but
if it's not working, you need to adapt a little bit.
And I also think there's something to be said for
adapting to the opponent you're playing. Especially on defense, you
need to adapt your style or whatever to what the
offense is going to be doing. So I like the
way that.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It's being discussed.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I also like the way that we've heard about accountability
and kind of expectations of people. Not necessarily, I mean,
you want to play to people's skill set, but also
if you're playing that position, I need you to do
certain things and if you can't do that, then somebody
else is going to have to do it.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
And I think there's.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I think that needs to be put in people's minds
that I have to be able to do these things
to keep my job and not just I'll be doing
this no matter what because this is my job.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Doing my job.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm all for that, you know, because this new era,
I think is uh. The old era was one of
not knowing what the hell you were supposed to do.
I mean, I hate to say that whose false is
that coaching? I put that on coaching. I mean, that's
that's your directive, right, I mean, that's the teaching part
of it. I mean, and it's not all coaching. I'm
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just kind of being a little bit top players. It's
all both. But it's but you know, here's the here's
the thing, JP. You gave up the most explosives in
the National Football League. And the reason that you gave
up the most explosive in the National Football League for
for the most part, was you were having mental breakdowns.
You had mes mental errors and you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Didn't have that the year before.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, it's kind of the same player as the year before.
So what changed, well, I mean the coaching staff change
on the defensive side of the ball, you know. I mean,
and the one thing that I love about Campanilli is
where he comes from. You watched Green Bay and we
obviously got a chance to see Green Bay here in
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Jacksonville this year play the Jaguars. The calling card of
Green Bay's defense is that they left no open areas
with their defense. Well coached, fundamentally sound, physical, played fast.
Give me that all day long off coming off a
year after what we just saw arguably the worst defense
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in the National Football League, arguably the worst defense in
franchise history. I'll take what Green Bay was doing all day.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Was it green Bay personnel better than the Jaguars defensive
personnel last year? Just as it on paper?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I mean, that's a great debate, it's a great conversation.
I would say green Bay was a little bit better
for the most part, but it wasn't that much better.
I mean, not to the point where the Jaguars are
at the bottom in green Bay. Were were they ranked
that last year? It's out of curiosity. We're talking about
rankings and pff and let me.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Turn in my scouting report. Yeah, rank them for me.
We'll review it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Three years awesome, I'll look it up real quickly. But
I'm just I'm gonna real curious to see where that is.
But I mean, that was the calling card of green Bay.
They have a really good defensive tackle. They have one
good defensive end, a good linebacker. But I mean, it's
not like they're overloaded with talent.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Green Bay on defense last year third in the NFL
in total d eleventh against the run, second against the pass,
first on third down. There you go eighteen percent on
third down. That's pretty credit.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And look, I think they're a little a little better
in some areas talent wise, But the biggest thing is
with Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
That's postseason. I'm sorry hanging on green Bay fifth, seventh, thirteenth,
same top.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Of the yes, but what they had their performance in
the back end, I think, and I think their talent
in the back end definitely better than this teams.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yes, absolutely, clearly. My frustration was Obviously we talked about
the exposive plays. That's been an issue forever.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
It was.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It was as if it was never addressed though, it
would always be the problem, and then they would just continue,
whether it's the same players or however you want to do,
whatever you wanted to change. There should have been some change,
and we didn't see any change until like two or
three weeks left in the season.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
In other words, if Kai makes a mistake, do we
make Kyle a defensive captain next week? Yeah, she's made
three weeks of mental layers, so do we make her
a captain the next week?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I mean, that's kind of stuff that was happening exactly.
It's just I hate to say that.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
You can't say you're.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Holding people accountable and you're doing stuff like that. So
it was and I'm sure fans felt this way as well.
It's just frustrating watchings say feel like you can identify
a problem. It's so glaring that you can identify a
problem and that they're not choosing to do anything different.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We get the rankings correct on the Green Bay defense
last year the postseason, I was like, you knows that
up to you mess it up? Well I did. I'm like,
got a roll today. Fifth overall defense, seventh, rushing defense, thirteenth,
passing defense, twelfth in the league on third down thirty
eight percent and nineteen point nine points per game. I mean,
that's that's good defense, really good.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
We would love that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, take that any day. To take some of that,
it'd be good.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And you know, and get bet you got to get
better talent, but then you have to be able to
play a more solid, fundamentally sound system. Final thought with
the KAI and GM interviews, one more tomorrow and then
we should have a decision by the weekend, right.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I mean, they have to write the combines next week,
so you got to get somebody, get send somebody up
to Indie next week. So I think they've they've definitely
reached the home stretch at this point. I'm busy in
the building as we know, so I'm excited to see
I Obviously we're not privy to exactly what that is.
I'm sure as Jeff was mentioning, it's a lot of
when you meet them and kind of what they're talking about.
(29:00):
Aaron Valdment has been in the past, because we don't know, right,
So like you can look at how where they worked,
what the drafts look like, but you need to know
what their roles were in that.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
So, yeah, I'm excited to see what it is.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's fun seeing Bisselli walking in and the photos
out on X of him walking in with these candidate
it's pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yes, he can't wear flip flops anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Though, thank goodness, my gosh, to win for all of us,
it certainly is I can't you wear flip flops? I mean,
it's his building, you can do what he wants.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Well, we'll see, I mean it's still like what the
first couple of weeks. We'll see if it evolves.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think I think he went enough games. You can
wear whatever the heck you.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Want, right, I mean flip flops, so you know, have
a have its moments when they're appropriate.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
At the beach.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeezeh JP looks And here's the thing, do you guys
have a favorite?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Do you guys have in the pas?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
No?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I don't know them, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
But if you knew who they were wanting to pick.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It was almost as if I had some statistics then
I would be able to make a better judgment about
who right.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's great, Kai, have a great weekend, k can you
stick around for another segment?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Handled?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think to take the rest of the show off
YouTube can handle it. How about that? Thanks? Kay, hy
Stevens joining us in the studio. Back in the moment,
we'll hear from Bucky Brooks on this interview process. It's
on tenon XL, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube Jaguars
Happy Hour presented by Dream Fighters Homes.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
You're trying to see if their vision for building the team,
Matthew's division at the head coach, and even Tony Bucelli's
vision as the executive vice president. You want to make
sure that everyone is in lockstep and the team building process.
They're in lockstep when it comes to the type of
players that you want on the roster. And then you
want to explain you want them to explain their procedures
(30:58):
in terms of how you get to selecting the right guys.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
How do you put it all together?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
What do we do if we have disagreements.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
In terms of this player and that player.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
You're trying to see if the guy that you're bringing
in if they can play nice in the sandbox when
we have these disagreements that eventually happened.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's Bucky Brooks, NFL Network and Jaguars Radio analyst Stan
Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy Hour. That was from
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Jeff Logoman Happy Hour from the Hyundai studios at the
Miller Electric Center, TINTENXL, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube and
here we go. The NFL Scouting Combine coming up next
week in Indianapolis. What do the players start getting there?
(32:24):
So they'll be I think you're going there, right, Yeah,
we're gonna be there. Osh will be there. We've got
a big group going to cover it from Radio Row
and some behind the scenes coverage of the executives and
a lot of stuff that we'll get to a little
bit later in this offseason, but looking forward to some
really outstanding access to the combine. Actually, So we'll be
(32:46):
there starting Monday. We'll be on the air with the
coaching GM I think they're at the press conferences on Tuesday,
we'll carry those. They'll make the Radio Row rounds that day.
We'll have live show Wednesday, another one Thursday with Happy
Hour guests on those and might be a little surprised
(33:07):
for the Thursday Happy Hour show from Radio Row. We'll
get to that coming up maybe next week. Maybe could
be an interesting reunion sort we'll see, we'll get to that.
So that's that's all coming up. That's next week, and
they'll be you know, there's a lot of work to
be done for this coaching staff too, and personnel staff,
(33:27):
so they aren't gonna waste much time. They're gonna be,
you know, when they're not talking to prospects and things,
they'll I think probably have meetings and things on their
own where they're trying to get this offense and defense
together and ready for when the players come in.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well that and then also as a as a coaching staff,
you know, you're you're also trying to watch some of
the prospects because I think you know what Bucky talked about,
and he was spot on about getting everybody in lockstep together.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And in order to be in.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Lockstep together, everybody kind of has to share what they
believe is an opinion on certain players. And the coaching
staff is part of that opinion because the coaching staff
has certain players that they want for their system, and
then the GM's job is there to support that with
the best players.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
In the right players. But the coaches, you want to
have their input on it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And so the coaches are going to be watching prospects
as well as talking to prospects, and then they're also
going to be working on their scheme, their off season schedule,
the free agency that's coming up, which is literally right
around the corner, we'll be here before you know it,
which is going to be the first way of improving
your roster. So there's a lot to do, a lot
(34:41):
to do, especially when you don't have a GM in place.
But once that GM is in place, then there's a
lot of rowing that needs to be done together to
get to where you want to be.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Talking about free agency, there was an article yesterday the
NFL salary cap for actions could be twenty to twenty
five million dollars higher.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's I mean, it's like every year it takes this
significant jump and you're like, when's it just gonna slow
down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't think it's slow down, and it hasn't, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
And then I was reading an article today that the
forty nine ers are considering selling some of the ownership
ten percent of the team selling it. The valuation they're
talking about with the forty nine ers is like nine billion.
(35:38):
I mean, so you're talking nine hundred million dollars in
raising capital by selling ten percent straight cash.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And so you sit there and you go, my god,
I mean nine hundred million, which would have bought you
three franchises when the Jaguars came into existence. And I
mean three really good franchises. It's just crazy where the
numbers have gone. But that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I mean, it's when you've got the most popular sport,
when you have the most watched television programming, when you
have is it like forty eight of the top fifties
shows every year of football?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yes? Yeah, I mean it's it's not only the top programs,
it's the top sport, the top programs period. You know,
I mean who watches TV anymore? I mean a lot
of people don't. Not the TV is the way we
used to watch it. But here's the one thing that
people keep tuning in on football, the NFL. College football,
(36:43):
by the way, depends the way you are, depends where
you are. What's that guy's name that went to Miami Beck,
Carson Beach.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, he's from maandar in high school. Actually, what are
you doing, Carson Beck?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
What do you mean? Whatever do you mean? Okay, he
was at Georgia, right, he was Okay? And and this
is this is a young man that I would love
to be able to reach for me just called his house.
I mean, I mean, and I mean something. He needs
some help, okay, because when you go to college with
the nil okay, and there's nothing wrong with I'm all
(37:16):
for making for college players making money, not against that whatsoever.
But you don't go to college to make money and
then to buy a Lamborghini and then a Mercedes Benz
and then have it stolen out of your yard in Florida,
South Florida. Who says he bought him, Well, if it
was they were his, then I mean he's probably Here's
(37:40):
the other thing, JP. If whether he bought them or
whether he's leasing them or whether he's renting them, that's
not that's not spending your money wisely. But it's his money. Yeah,
And you know what, it won't be his money for long.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
You keep buying Lamborghinis or leasing Lamborghini and buying Mercedes
or leasing Mercedes, You're not gonna have much money for long, buddy,
Keep on spending it, okay, because one day, if all
of a sudden you're not playing in the National Football League, okay,
your eligibility is gonna be up, which means you're not
gonna be making any nil money.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Then what are you gonna do? You'd like to be
able to convert that four or five year old Lamborghini
back to the original mount that you spend for it. Yeah,
I don't lose much though, as soon as you buy it.
Soon as you buy it and you drive it off
the lot, the value at boom down. It's just it's
just like, what are you doing? Man to Somebody will
(38:39):
give him some proper advice on setting yourself up for
the long term instead of the near term. I mean,
do you really need a Lamborghini and a Mercedes Benz
to drive? How far is to drive on campus? I
don't know where he lives. I have no idea. You
can ride a bike cool Gables, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean by yourself a shwim bro okay, and if
you got a girl down there, okay, get a tandem shwim.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, she got her car stolen too, apparently which one
was hers? Some suv is another car a different car.
It is probably all three got stolen and they found
hers apparently, according to the story. I don't know. That's
today's financial literacy. I read that conversation. What are you doing, man,
what are you doing? Let's come back. I don't know
(39:31):
what the heck we're gonna talk about when we come back.
I have no idea that could be anything. Well, look,
I'm just trying to help a guy out JP. Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I mean, that's the one thing that I always, I
always was, would get.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So frustrated with sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You know, you have certain guys that you know, you
try to help them out to save some money.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I mean, I'll give you a story and we get back.
You give you any story you want. Okay, We're on
Jaguars YouTube. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
I don't know that I think about it in the
sense of age being ready.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Because people typically.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Will ask about the experiences and what makes you ready,
And I think that I've been unbelievably fortunate should be
around really good people and have different unique experiences, whether
it's coaching on defense or spending time with Kevin o'collam
Minnesota or my time in Carolina. So I think it's
more so the experiences that I've had that have brought
(40:38):
me to this point, and I really can't control those
things in terms of the number of my age. So
It's not something that I concern myself a ton with,
but I would say I definitely try to make take
every measure possible to ensure that I'm doing everything I
can to be prepared for whatever responsibility is thrown my way.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That is Grant Yudinski, the Jaguars offensive coordinator, on the
ozone podcast It's Back. It's something the Official Jaguars Podcast
network should be up soon. If not already, check it out.
You'll hear the conversation with John Oser and the new
Jaguars OC Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour j Ap
Shadwick with Jeff Logman. We're at the Hondai Studios, Miller
(41:20):
Electric Center ten TENXL, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube and
Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by dream Finders Homes, official
homebuilder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. A busy time ahead, of
course in the NFL. A lot of important dates coming
up around the National Football League. The scouting combine of course,
starting next week going through March third, and Indy. March
(41:43):
fourth is the franchise or transition player deadline. If you're
going to do that, got to get it done by
March fourth. March ten through twelve the free agency negotiation period,
the air quote legal tampering period. It's a two day
actually a three day window up until the start of
the league year. It's March twelfth at four o'clock Eastern time.
(42:04):
That's when free agency officially begins. March thirty through April
second is the NFL annual meeting known as the Owners'
Meetings down in Palm Beach. This year, April seventh is
the beginning of the offseason program for teams with new
head coaches, including the Jaguars, two weeks ahead of all
the rest of the teams in the NFL Draft April
(42:24):
twenty four through twenty six in Green Bay, Wisconsin. So
the calendar never stops in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's gonna be wild a draft in Green Bay. Yeah,
it's pretty pretty cool. We will send some representatives from
Jaguars Dot. Yeah, Brian's usually Brian Goes.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Goes, especially if it's a top five.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Most likely the pick is in is there, So there's
gonna be a lot of people staying in Milwaukee. You
don't think Appleton has enough for room, I mean no, no,
you get Airbnb's house across this there's gonna be a
lot of airbnbs in Green Bay, right, Yeah, there's gonna
be a lot of people that are going to say,
(43:05):
you know what, We're just gonna go ahead and pack
up and move.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
No, that would be fun like to one day be
able to tailgate in those houses right across the street
from Lambeau. Yeah, that'd be frodge doors open. Yeah, I've
seen photos of it. It's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
But put the TVs outside and just listen to the
roar of the stadium. Come on, the only problem is
is that TV has a delay, so you're gonna hear
the roar before they actually see what happened through Oh
something's going on. Yeah, which is not exactly the optimum
set up. But uh but yeah, but I you know, look,
it's not far away and rotating this draft everywhere. By
the way, Pittsburgh next year. Yeah, and it'll be interesting
(43:40):
to see how many prospects actually attend.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
The draft this year. Yeah. It's a good one. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It's not New York. It's not you know, this uh
attractive big city Vegas, you know, yeah, I mean, it's uh,
I think shed Her Sanders has already said that he's
not gonna be in attendance, which, look, I get it.
I mean a lot of times when when the draft
rolls around, you want to be able to celebrate with,
you know, the people that helped you get there, friends, family, coaches, teammates,
(44:08):
and when you go to the draft. It's not like
you can just bring all them along. I mean you can,
but that's not very talking about being you know, being
wise with your money like we.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Just talked about.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
But but I mean, I think it's going to be
interesting to see how how it turns out. But I mean,
look after watching it for the last couple of years,
when it's been at different venues and the great job
that every venue has been able to do with the Draft,
I'm looking forward to Green Bays version. Hopefully we'll get
it here sometimes new stadium and all that hotel and
if there's development nearby that would be the key. Well,
(44:44):
I mean it's uh, where was it at last year.
I'm trying to remember where they've been the last couple
of years. I mean, Cleveland, Cleveland, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I mean it's I mean, some of these places are
getting a couple hundred thousand people. One one was Cleveland
twenty two was Vegas, twenty three was Kansas City, twenty
four was Detroit, Detroit. This year's Green Bay, Pittsburgh in
twenty six, Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be Nashville. Twenty nineteen
was really the one. I mean that on the Broadway,
(45:15):
the whole thing. Yeah, they killed it.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean there's certain cities that are just made for
hosting some of the events like that, and Nashville. I mean, look,
like I said before, I'm a huge fan of Nashville.
You know, every year when we go on the road
and we visit all of the teams around the National
Football League that are on the schedule, Nashville is one
of the I'm very glad that that's in our division
so we can go there every year.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
It's a great town. It's great Town's got a lot
of great things to see and to listen to, and
it's you know, it's centrally located, which is you know,
that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
If there wasn't that darn football game on Sunday, it'd
be one heck of a weekend. Yeah yeah, you know,
I mean you know what I mean, Yeah, that's u
and it's easy for fans to go. I mean there's
a you can get it. I think there's a nine
stop on one of the airlines to Nashville here from
Javille to Nashville. Yeah, it's easy. Even it's a healthy drive,
but it's drivable. I mean it's a poke, but I
(46:11):
mean it's it's you know, that's a pretty good drive. Yeah,
but it's it's doable for a lot of Southwest I
think directors. I think they does or still does used
to have one of the other direct flights.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
But that's that's a great city. Pittsburgh. I think that'll
be cool just.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Because I mean, look it's it's Pittsburgh, man, I mean,
you got history there with the Steel Curtain. I'm curious
where in Pittsburgh is going to do it though, Yeah,
I don't know. It's a great question. You know, it
felt like there's a theater right next to them. Nobody,
nobody is really doing it in one particular venue because
I mean what they're doing is they're building the venue
(46:48):
outdoors to be able to handle the masses. Yeah, you know,
so I don't think it so much depends on a
city that has a venue that can handle it, because
they're just building them temporarily. Point Park. That's where they
might have it, right there on the point, on the
confluence with the fountain and the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Why not easy to get to infrastructure already in place,
you know, downtown, right, yeah, I mean, it'd be perfect.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Makes sense to me have the stadium.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Also, they didn't ask me there attractions there at the stadium.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It'll be fun. What are you gonna watch any of
the combine workouts? Do you get into that? No? No, no,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I mean, I put it this way. I catch the highlights,
but I'm not going to tune in and watch watch
it and grind it out.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Give me the.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Highlights, give me the important information. I'd rather spend that
time watching players play football as opposed to run around
in shorts and underwear. Mean, I mean, now, a few
of the top end prospects, you know that, you know,
the most draft prognosticators are going to have in the
top ten or fifteen. I'll pay close attention to what
(47:57):
they're doing, just because obviously the Jaguars picking at five
gonna have something to say about you know, those players.
But for the most part, again, I'd rather watch players
play football real quick.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
How many times right now? Could you be expressed to
twenty five me right now?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Eight okay, eight. Maybe I don't want to call you out.
Maybe I'm just curious. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
And I wouldn't even want to do it because I'd
be scared about popping a muscle something.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It would be on camera too.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
We'll talk to you man in a couple of weeks, yeah,
and I'll work on my.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Two twenty three flogging it. I'm JP Shadwick. Thanks for listening.
It's Jaguars Happy Hour.
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