Jaguars Happy Hour | Reacting to HC Pederson Departure, Trent Baalke & Shad Khan Season Recap - Jaguars Happy Hour

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It is Monday, January sixth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by Jet Home Loans and
now a guy who walked to the paint store to
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
It didn't work. J P sder and welcome in.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
It is Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, January sixth,
the first hour presented by Jet Home Loans and a
busy two hours ahead. Doug Peterson out as the Jaguars
head coach. Trent Balkey stays as the Jaguars general manager.
Owners shot Con met with the media earlier. We'll hear
him coming up. We'll have, of course, Pete Briscoe and

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Tony Boselli for an entire show of keeping it Real
today and fanatics fan questions, and we'll go around the
National Football League. Doug Peterson out as the head coach.
Trent Balkey is still in as the g owner. Shot
Con put out a statement this morning at around eight
twenty am saying that Balky and the others close to

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the organization would hire a leader who shares his ambition
and quote is ready to seize the extraordinary opportunity. The
full statement available at Jaguars dot com. This afternoon though,
Jaguars owners shot con meeting with the media, and what
was it about the coaching that needed change?

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Obviously, we made the playoffs. We're in the division game.
Last year we started off eighty three and then went
one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff. Was
the winning season, but didn't make the playoffs. And after that,
you know, I started really right in Nashville, sat down
with Doug, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
And he identified, you know, on the defensive side, we
needed to change the staff and saw and as the
season you know progress, obviously we weren't doing well. We
were close like yesterday, but not close enough to win
the game. And then as I spoke to you know,

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Doug even last week for a good length of time,
you know, I just came to the conclusion what we
were doing was not working and a change in direction
was needed.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
That shot con will hear more from him coming up.
Trent Balkey on the Zoom conversation with the media as well,
asked if he's surprised he's still the general manager.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I don't know if.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Surprised is the right word. You know, that's ultimately that's
not my decision. That's the decision of ownership, and I
certainly respect the decision that's been made and don't take
the job lightly. The real fact, the bottom line is
we weren't productive on the field. We didn't win enough games,
and I don't shy away from there. I'm just as
responsible as anybody else. And you know, all we can

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do now is roll up our sleeves and go to work.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
More from Trent Balke GM coming up as well.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
We're on Tenson XL, Jaguars dot com, Jaguars YouTube, JP,
Shadwick with Pro Football Hall of Fame left tackle Tony
Bisselli in studio with US Today and Pete Prisco, CBS
Sports senior writer down in South Florida.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Good afternoon, Pete. How are you, uh well?

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Wow?

Speaker 8 (03:19):
Well, interesting day around the city of Jacksonville. I love
I love when when Trent says he's as responsible as
anybody else. Well, clearly he isn't because he didn't get fired,
so he's not. I mean, the finger was pointed at
the coach and coaching staff. It wasn't pointed at the
general manager.

Speaker 9 (03:36):
So you know, from my standpoint, you guys know how
I feel.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
I am astounded they didn't just get rid of everybody.
And if you're gonna get rid of Doug Peterson, why
not get rid of everybody. That's the way I felt
about it. And and it didn't happen, and he's still
there for now. And the reason I say for now,
we don't know how long he's gonna be there. We

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don't know if he's just being kept to be a
conduit through the interview process. You know, Look, Sead Cohn
doesn't know a lot of people in the NFL. He
doesn't know how to conduct an interview process. And I
think he's gonna lean on Trent Balke for that. The
problem becomes if he leans on Trent Balkey too much
and Trent Balke influences the process, and by that.

Speaker 9 (04:24):
I mean gets one of his guys in there.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
And if that's the case, that's never good for the organization.
And that's why I think it's gonna be a problem
the way it's being structured. And here's the other thing.
Trent Balkey has one year left on his deal. As
I was told he was asked today. Shod Cohn was
asked today about the contract extension. Well, don't you think
that's something that a coach coming in for an interview,

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is gonna need to know. If I'm interviewing in Jacksonville,
I need to know what the plan is for Trent
Palky I And the word is it's gonna be a
coach centric organization. And we talked about that before. The
coach is gonna have the juice in the building. It's
gonna be he's the guy. And if that's the case,
and you see a guy you really like and he

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doesn't like Trent Balkey, but he has somebody else he'd
like to get in there, then go get the guy.
You can't let Trent Balkey influence you from making the
right decision for the franchise.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Tony Boselli, Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Pete.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
I hear you. I did the one area I take
a little bit of an issue with and disagree with
for you to say shot Con doesn't know a lot
of people. He's been an owner in this league since
twenty twelve.

Speaker 8 (05:36):
That guy I always leaned on people I handle the
interview for us.

Speaker 7 (05:40):
That's not true. He led the whole process last year
and interviewed like fifteen people whatever it was, and everyone
complained that it was too long and he was being
too thorough and talking to too many people. And I
know for a fact because I've talked to agents. They know,
they pick up the phone, shots talked to them. Like,
so to say Shot does not know people now, I

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just think is wildly wrong, Like way off base. I'm
just telling you, if you would have said this in
if you would have said this in twenty twelve, twenty fifteen, Okay,
maybe this is twenty twenty five. He's gone through multiple coaches,
multiple gms, been to the playoffs, He's on owner committees,
He's like leads around international. He doesn't know the owners, Tony,

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he knows the coaches, he knows he's around. Now, look,
I'm just.

Speaker 9 (06:31):
Telling nobody to run the interview process for him. I'm not.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
That's a different conversation. Like a lot of owners hire
firms to run the process. Jets Jets are doing.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
You Noe who I work with, and Mike Tannenbaum, who's
the former.

Speaker 9 (06:53):
Jet GM.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
So I'm gonna say something that's gonna seem like I'm
taking a shot at Tannabond and Spielman. Okay, and I'm not.

Speaker 9 (07:01):
Yad, I take shots Atrix Fieldman all the time.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
Why would Why are they any more qualified to lead
a search than Trent Balke. Let me ask you a question.
How many Super Bowls has either of those tea guys
took a team to? The answer zero? Just for the record,
how many AFC or NFC Championships have they taken a
team to? Built a team that went to.

Speaker 10 (07:23):
Those stealing and went to a couple okay super Bowls?
Never no championship games, yeah, but never super Bowls. Tam Mom,
I don't think it's done either. No, okay, love or hate.
And I've been pretty much honest as far as my.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
Praise and criticism of Trent Balky as Jim, I try
to be down the line. When he does something I
disagree with, I say I disagree with, never personal. When
I say he does something good like the Walker Little,
I think it was a great deal, did a great job,
I said, great job. But the bottom line, and the
dude has taken was built a team that went to

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three straight NFC championship games, went to a Super Bowl,
came here was part of the process of building the
team that went to the playoffs in twenty twenty two
and was eight and three. And I'm not saying I
agree with everything of them, But why Pete is Spielman
and Tannybaum any more qualified than Trent Balke to lead

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a search Because at the end of the day, and
this is one thing I know about Seat Khan, I've
known him since twenty twelve. I've had multiple sit downs
with them in conversations. He is going to make the decision.
He will listen, he will go through the process. But
I don't care if you're Trent Balky, Tony BISSELLI, you know,

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Mark Lamping, J. P. Shadwick, Pete Briscoe, you know Donald
Trump could give all their opinions. Sean khn is going
to make the decision of who the next head coach is.
I have no issue Trance the GM. He decided that
Trent has done a good enough job and we can

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we can break down whether we agree or not with that,
and Trent's gonna run the process. I don't see why
that is any different Pete than Spielman or Tannybomb being
hired by Woody Johnson to run the process.

Speaker 9 (09:23):
Who who kidnapped Tony Bli tonight? Who is in your body?
What the hell?

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Broke up?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Would say the question I would have and we'll get
back to Pete the second when he gets what the
hell are.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
You talking about? What are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (09:44):
You are you are saying he shouldn't run the search,
but you're fine with Spielman and Tanning Bomb running the
sports for the Jets. What's the difference is my question?

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Well, I don't think Spielman particularly, don't think Tann Bomb
should be running the start.

Speaker 9 (09:57):
He was fired by the team, damn like fire.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
Hey, you know what, Doug Peterson knows a lot of
people in the NFL and a lot of coaches. Did
Jack Wyers should bring back Peterson and allow him to
run this?

Speaker 7 (10:08):
I didn't any I didn't say that.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
It doesn't It doesn't make any sense at all. But
I also think that's the reason why he's keeping Bulky around.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't think it is. Here's a question I have.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
I don't think I guess that where I'm disagreeing with
you your premise of why he's getting around. I disagree
with that.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Is there any reservations for audio work?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Is there any reservations that potential coaches might have considering
the track record that Bulky had after Harball?

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
In San Francisco.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
I think that whether it's reality or perception that is
out there, and like we're being I would I think
we'd be disingenuous not to say that. Now you can
argue whether it's true or not, but the perception out there,
and I've heard it, and Pete you've heard it. And
you go through the list of coaches from the forty
nine to the Jaguars. I think it's funny about the

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Urban Meyer because that was seag cons but higher, I mean, he.

Speaker 9 (11:08):
Was the g.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Okay, let's not go down. I've tried to forget about
Urban Meyer ever existing in this organization, so let's not
bring it up. But anyways, going through that list, there's
no doubt that if you talk to people around the league,
the perception is that Trent Balky ram these people out

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and did a poor job and had confrontations and conflict
between the front office and the head and the coaching staff.
There's no doubt about it. That's the perception, that's the talk,
and and Pete has heard it. I've heard it. There
are individuals who say they will not come to an
organization if Trent Baulky is a gym. Pete, is that accurate?

Speaker 9 (12:00):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Okay? I actually think that.

Speaker 9 (12:03):
By the way, I don't necessarily always.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Believe that that's where I was going.

Speaker 9 (12:09):
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't necessarily believe that.
Just depends on how it's structured in the organization.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
For example, if I'm a coach and Shod con tells me, look,
you're going to have control inside this building, you're gonna
answer to me that you can bring in one of
your guys and and kind of go over the top
and make Trent a personnel guy or something. If he
stays in the building, then I'm not I'll let it

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work for a year because I know I'm gonna make
it work and he's gonna be gone after a season
if I don't get along with him.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
That's what I would do.

Speaker 8 (12:42):
So I would if I'm a coach out there, I'm
coming for the interview.

Speaker 9 (12:47):
I'm gonna listen to Shod Cohn.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
I look at this job, and I think this job
is fantastic. When you look at it from an owner
that doesn't really meddle, it's probably two hands off. Sometimes
willing to spend money. I mean, let's be real. The
general manager who's in plays right now spent a bootload
of his money and got no return on investment, but
he allowed him to do it. You got a new stadium,

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you have a new facility, you have no state incometack.

Speaker 9 (13:18):
You have a court developed into one.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Heck of a player provided you put the right offensive
building around them. So what's that to love about the job. So,
if I'm anybody anybody out there, I'm coming to listen.
But if I come and listen and I hear all
the things that I that I wanted to hear, and
I say to shod Con look it's great and all.
I want this job, and I know you want me,

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but I ain't working with him making the football decisions
above me. He's got to go or I'm come and
then Shot ultimately will have a decision to make. Does
he let the coach he truly wants out the door
to keep a general manager who's quite frankly hanging by
a thread. So that's what it's ultimately gonna come down to.
But I'm with you, Tony. If I'm a coach this league,

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I'm coming in for the interview. If that's I have
a ten times better option somewhere else, well.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
That okay there So, and Pete, your internet's going a
little bit in and out. But I got what you said.
So what you're saying is my my perspective as well.
A lot of people will say I'm not taking the
job because Trent Balky's the gym or whoever's the gym.
But in this case, it's Trent. Let's just call it.
That's the that's the word out there, it's on X,

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it's I've had phone calls today. I mean petez, I
mean it's out there. Whatever I always say, I call
cow poop. Well, I can't say the other word run.
Can I say the other words?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
You cannot?

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Yeah, okay, so I call you know what. Because here's
the deal. There's only thirty two of these jobs. There's
only right now five open. I think the Raiders job
opens up, so I'll be six. There always is the
one or two hot candidates all the one who's hotter
than you know, a firecracker, and I is Ben Johnson.
I think Ben Johnson's one hell of a play caller,

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an offensive coordinator. If you wanted me put gun to head.
Do I think he's gonna be a great head coach?
I think, but I don't know because it's a completely
different skill set.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
So before we all do you.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Know, backflips and you know freak out about Ben Johnson
and the rumors are he won't do this or that,
like slow your role? What's interview? Because I agree with Pete.
I think everyone's gonna take an interview, and I think
and Ben Johnson very well might be a great head

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coach because he's a hell of a hell of an
offensive coordinator. I mean one hell of an offensive coordinator.
But until you have that interview now, because Ben Johnson
is such a hot candidate and probably will have multiple offers,
could someone like that use that leverage to say, hey,
I'm only coming if I can bring my guy. Possibly,

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But then he's have to do that in Chicago because
Ryan Pole's is staying. He'd have to do it here
because Trent Balky's a GM. Right now, Uh, what's the
other open job you have? New England. They're not getting
rid of their GM. He's new he's praying. That's my point.
So if Ben Johnson wants.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
His GYM Ryot Poles, Ryan Poles isn't calling the shots
in Chicago, so they could get rid of them.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
And right now I get that people. Right now, there's
not any of these jobs. He's not taking the Saints job.
It's the worst job in America because the cap issues
they have. No one wants that job.

Speaker 9 (16:38):
And a bad quarterback I get it, And so a quarterback.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Yeah, could Ben Johnson. He's probably the one candidate that
can have that leverage if he really wanted it.

Speaker 9 (16:50):
But here's what if he's.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
The guy that wants to and if he's the guy
you want, then you got to give him the leverage.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
But that's only if you after you interview him, Pete,
you say he's right, not only a great offense coordinator,
he's gonna be a great head coach because being a
head coach, because being a head coach is a different
skill set than being an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
Correct, But that's why shot led left the door open
on Balky not being here. He did and making he.

Speaker 11 (17:17):
Said that he should say he said that lateness. He
said it late in his press conference. Yes, we've got
plenty ahead. Obviously, we're here until six o'clock. We've got
plenty of discuss We'll hear more from shot con from
earlier today, Trent Balkey as well, and the locker room
was open today after the news. We'll hear from some
of the players as they cleaned out their lockers after

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Speaker 4 (18:01):
You know, I don't think that's really you know, relevant.
I think what's important is the structure we've had, you know,
and you know it's work, which is both you know,
Doug and Freend reporting to me and and that way,

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you know, if there are issues that can be addressed openly,
you know, honestly, you know, Doug was there this morning
at MAC.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
He spoke to the players.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
I mean, you know that there's no disharmony or you know,
as far as that goes. So and you know, whoever
a new head coach is, you know, it's going to
be my job that Similarly, our job is to support
the head coach of what Trent is doing, what I'm doing,

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the rest of.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
The people are doing. I really like, you.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Know, service providers and serving the head coach to succeed.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
That's Jaguars owner's Shod Khan when asked if Trent Balky's
getting an extension as part of all this, that was
the answer J D. Shadwick, Tony VASSELLI, Pete Prisco with us.
We'll get back with him coming up some technical things.
We'll get back to me.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
Did you take that answer as a non answer? Yes, yeah,
I did too. Which is I mean, which is the
right way to answer it?

Speaker 3 (19:21):
By the way, especially if it's a no, then you
don't want to say no, he's not getting one.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
I don't know if it's no or not. And I
don't know actually what his contract situation is, and.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I Pete seems to claim it.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Yeah, but I don't know if that's accurate.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Really, yeah, I don't either.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
So but I took Shad's answer. There is the part
I agree with him.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
One.

Speaker 7 (19:43):
I agree with a head coach centric system, like the
head coach has to be the voice of the organization
from the football side and the job.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's what Urban was.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Well, that's better or worse, it's what it was, right, right,
And that's what I think Sead wanted Doug to do
it be And if you look at I mean, okay,
let's go through the number one. Let's go through the
teams in the playoffs. Okay, I mean looking at structure,
what we know, best team in the NFL, Detroit Lions,

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my opinion, number one seed. Would you say that's a
head coach centric system. So yeah, I think so. They
both separately report to the owner gmn uh head coach
report to the ownership group. But it's it's head to
coach centric. Kansas City, you think Andy Reid's a charge
not and it's head coach centric. You know that they

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have a good GM. I mean, everyone has a role,
but it's it's Andy show. But they both report up
to the ownership. Buffalo, Buffalo, I believe that's the way.
I mean it comes across that way. I mean another team, Baltimore,
Baltimore Ravens, I mean John Harball Chargers, Jim Harball, no

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doubt about it. Sean Payton, the Denver Broncos, Philadelphia, Philadelphia.
That's a different story, right because I think Cowie is
kind of more like that's the That's my opinion. I
don't know for a fact, but it sure feels like
Howie's the one that is dictating what they do.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
He just feels like Sirianni's on the hot set.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, it's always like feeling like Sirianni was like week
the week and how he's waiting in the background, like well,
I don't like that for it down call today. But yeah,
but I mean, we don't need to go through everyone
but to get our point. And I actually agree with that,
and I think it's more about getting the right people
in the right roles, in defining those roles and understanding

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what is the identity of the organization. So if I
was going to be critical of the Trent Bulky Doug
Peterson tenure, here, what's the identity?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Who are you?

Speaker 7 (21:55):
What is our identity? Who are we trying to be?
Like what's the culture of the building and the organization?
And like when you show up somewhere, this is who
we are. I don't think that was established. Now you
could argue, is that whose fault is that? Whose responsibility
is that? I think overall it's an organizational responsibility. But

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I think if you're going to be head coach centric,
and that's what Jead wants, and I think that's what
he wanted when Doug, it ultimately starts with the head
coach and now you have to support the head coach.
And so it's the job of everyone to being on
the same page, understand your roles and what you're supposed
to do, but then supporting. If everyone does their job,
you're naturally supporting that head coach and his staff and players.

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Because at the end of the day, in the NFL,
everybody is dependent on what happens on that field. Everybody,
their jobs and their livelihoods do literally depend on it.
By the way, and I'm not just talking about the

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assistant coaches and the training staff and the nutritional staff
and the medical staff, and the scouting staff and the
GM I'm not I'm talking about the people selling tickets,
the sponsorship facilities, communication, broadcast. We're all dependent on that.

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We're probably the least because our job, like our job
is to communicate what happens and talk about what happens, win,
lose or draw, Like, okay, we're gonna do that. What
if you're selling tickets and your your incentive comp and
your bonus comp depends on how many tickets you tough
tough year, you don't think when is important? I mean

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it's and so I and so shods. What shod communicated
today is like Okay, this is the way, Like we're
all in. Our job is support this head coach whose
job is to go win football games. That's basically the structure.
If you want to simplify it and be a reductionist
and go down to the base levels like this guy,

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we all have to support him. Trent, Me, Scouting, medical, everybody. Yeah,
so that they can't have success, so we all have
so then we all have success. That's how it works.
And that's what Sean was saying. I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Pete Prisco back with us. Now you hear all that, Yeah,
I am.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
I had to change computers and headset and everything. Something happened,
so yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I hear Tony waving all.

Speaker 12 (24:36):
Over the damn place.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
I mean, come on, what do you instead of just
taking a personal shot what you were outstanding at doing?
And by the way, I saw Brady and he made
sure to let me know what a pain and then
you know what you are on a daily basis, he
told Yeah, we talked, told me, we shared stories about
what a terrible person you are. But instead of just

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taking a personal shot, what do you disagree with what
I just said? I'm not I'm just saying that because
Pete where we started. I don't know if you heard it.
We ran a clip. Sead was asked about extending Bulky
and basically he gave a yeah, not relevant and talked
about coach being the head coach, being head coach centric

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in the job of the organizations to support that group,
to give them the tools to have success, you know,
blah blah blah blah blah. And I was saying, I
actually agree with that, and if you look at successful
organizations and the teams that have had success, it's built
around that head coach and giving them the tools and
the in the ammunition, ammunition to go win the fight.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
Well, well, let me ask you this though. Let's let's
let's look at it from this stamp.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
Okay, if Trent Balk stays and doesn't get a contract
extension and the new coach comes in, you think they're
going to be working in harm harmony together.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Yeah, you do. Why wouldn't they.

Speaker 12 (26:09):
Because history says otherwise?

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Oh, are you talking in general or or Trent specifically?
Did he say? Trent said, Trent, Okay, sorry, you're going
out again. I mean, what do you what? You would
you know?

Speaker 12 (26:23):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Did you pay your bills? Did you pay your bill
this year?

Speaker 12 (26:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (26:28):
I was just on camera about twenty minutes ago, so
it might not be my, might.

Speaker 12 (26:32):
Not be me.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
So you're saying that we haven't paid our bills yet.

Speaker 13 (26:39):
Maybe No, I guess you're you're paying a lot of
coaches who aren't working, so maybe you can't that funny.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
Well, it's really not funny if it's your money. Yeah,
not to say, I guess, Pete. The reason I'd say,
I think they will. So let's play this out. So
because you said Trent specifically, unless you say, let's do
someone besides Ben Johnson, because that's everyone. Let's let's say
Mike Rabel came in here as head coach. Why wouldn't

(27:12):
Mike Rabel make it work the first year because he
knows if he has success as the head coach and
Trent can help him have success, or whoever in that seat,
why wouldn't he work with him until he knows it
doesn't work, because he knows he's going to be there
more than one year. There are also bodies okay, well, okay,

(27:35):
their buddies. Let's say someone who's not Aaron Glenn. Let's
just say Aaron Glenn, who I don't think has any
relationship with Trent Balky. Aaron Glenn comes in, first time
head coach of the organization. He comes in, Why wouldn't
he try to make it work with Trent even if
Trent had one year on his deal because it benefits him.

Speaker 12 (27:56):
But he's gonna try and make it work.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
And if it doesn't, guess what, there'll be someone else
next year.

Speaker 12 (28:01):
But Tony, you know how egos are in that business?
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Guys don't get along half the time to begin with,
and now all of a sudden you're getting guys stuck
when you're stuck with them.

Speaker 12 (28:14):
Think about that.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
There's only thirty two of these jobs, Pete and I
and I know there's a lot of talk about and
we all talk like this this time of year, and
I hear it all the time, these coaches, And I'm
not going there if this person's hair or that, bye bye, bye,
bye bye. And then the job opens up and there's
a long list of people waiting to work there. Kid

(28:36):
that Tony Biselli, I'm asking you, is that not true?

Speaker 9 (28:40):
Pete?

Speaker 12 (28:41):
What do we have going on either tonight? I just
don't understand.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
I'm you're the one who said it a second ago.
Is that not true?

Speaker 8 (28:50):
I agree with you, guys should do the interview. I'm saying, okay,
And you said there's only thirty two of them. There's
also only thirty two general managers in the league, and
you're keeping a guy who's on will be on.

Speaker 12 (29:03):
His third coach.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I get it.

Speaker 12 (29:05):
Two number one.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
Overall picks who spent a boatload of money for a
team that won won?

Speaker 12 (29:10):
How many games did they win? Again? Remind me for
so so think about it from that standpoint.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
I'm coming in to be I'm going to be the
new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and I'm stuck
with that job.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
So I'm gonna say, well, wait a second. Two things. One,
I think Sead deserves credit because it would have been
easy for him to do what a lot of other
teams did, like the Giants and the Dolphins and others
who put out comments today is like, we're staying the
course with the individuals we have. And so he said

(29:44):
no and got rid of a guy because he did
not see progress on the field since the middle of
last year. And he said no, I'm doing it now.
I'm not waiting. We're making a decision, so let's give
him credit for that. At the same time, to Pete's point,
he he kept the guy who's been through multiple coaches
and everything else. That was also part of that fallout.

(30:09):
John made the decision he thought I was more coaching
than Jim. Okay, great, that was his decision. My whole point,
Pete is he also said in the press conference, if
someone came in and said, hey, there's a better structure
or this or that or the other, and could convince him,
all like to me, I took I went and came
away from this saying, it's like this is an owner
who just wants to win a right, So somebody has

(30:31):
a better problems, a better process, or a better deal
than I'm good ears and so I think, And that's
why I'm saying, Pete, my whole point is, I'm not
I get what you're saying because it's true and you
and I agree on this, and we've talked about the
perception out there and the conversation is that there are
certain guys who will not take this job. If Trent

(30:52):
Bulky's the gym, that it is what it is, it's
out there. My point is. I think a lot of
times that's more talk then reality when push comes to shove.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (31:03):
Okay, okay, I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
That's all I'm saying. Should you That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (31:07):
Should you be forced to take the job with him?

Speaker 7 (31:09):
There, I'm not saying you should, Pete. I'm just saying
you're you're missing my point. That's why, like you're losing
your mind. My only point in this thing. There's only
thirty two of these jobs. There's only five of them
open right now. They get they pay a lot of money,
they're very prestigious, and a lot of guys. Because I've
had conversations with these people, they tell me I'm not

(31:31):
taking the job if X, Y and z's there, Okay,
and then.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Amazingly, those contracts slash on the desk.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
It's like, oh wait a minute. Amazingly, like weeks later,
they're interviewing for the dang job and they're like, I
want that job. It pays eight million bucks a year.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
How many zeros are No?

Speaker 9 (31:48):
I get that.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
I get everything. I get everything you say, And you're
right about that. Guys will interview and somebody will take
the job. But why should you be forced to do that?

Speaker 7 (31:57):
You shouldn't.

Speaker 12 (31:59):
Why should you be Why should you be taking an
opportunity to be a head coach in a national force?
You should not next step in your career.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
No, but why should it be at a place where
a general manager is being kept?

Speaker 12 (32:12):
But they clearly are cleaning everybody else out the coaches.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
You know you, you do realize what this message sends now,
I do all dog.

Speaker 14 (32:21):
Peterste the general manager, had nothing to do.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
With it, and we're running over. I want to come
back to that, Pete, but I want to finish it.
We'll come back to the coaching real quick. I want
to finish this to make sure we're on the same page.
I think we are, Pete. I don't think anyone should
have to. My only point is is Shad Khan is
the owner of the team. It's his progative to do
whatever the heck he wants. It's his money, and what
he is saying is right now. Trent Balky's my GM.

(32:48):
He also said at the end, if somebody comes in
and has a better idea and can convince me that
I should do something, different that will help us win.
I will listen. So, No, it is the prerogative of
every head coach, Ben Johnson. If Ben Johnson doesn't want
to come here because of Trent Balky, that's his prerogative
and I respect it. That's his decision.

Speaker 8 (33:10):
Well what happens if you're missing out on a great
coach because you've stuck with Brett Trent Balk, well.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Then that is guess what? And guess what, Pete. Then
that is Sean Conn's responsibility. And at the end of
the day, if Ben.

Speaker 12 (33:22):
Johnson even why even have it in this situation. You
could have done you could have fixed it one clean.

Speaker 7 (33:27):
Swoop because he doesn't. Okay, let's let's let's talk when
we get back.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
As we're working, we gotta come back, all right.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
Well, I just want to know.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
If Ja he got the same Christmas bonus you got
for being a yes man?

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Now, how would Pete? That's unfair And I'm gonna come
back and take you the test because that's not true.
What did I I want to know what I said
that you disagree with that's not in fact.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Tell me the answer is no, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
By the way, By the way, I didn't either we're.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Back in a moment, it wouldn't have been on the
radiod I did.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
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Speaker 2 (34:16):
We're here until six o'clock.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
In the aftermath of the firing of Doug Peterson, Trip
Walkey stays as a general manager, Jaguars Ownershot Cohn and
Balky met with the media on Zoom today. We'll hear
more of that coming up in X is on Fire today.
Of course, we've got the fanatics fan questions coming up
a little bit later.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
We're starting early.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
We've got people calling Tony Bisselli a turncoat now on
X I mean they're coming at you, Tony.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
That's fine, bring it. Pete started misrepresenting what I'm saying.
But you know what, let's.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
Go, I don't know what.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
Well you said. I'm getting paid off to say what
I'm saying, So that's basically the.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Same I didn't get paid for the rest and.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
If you'll use you know xers and great Jaguar fans.
I love you take your shot because but here's reality.
The reality is Shat Khan is the owner of this team.
It's his team. He owns it, he bought it. He
gets the ability to make decisions and who works here
and who does not including yours truly me, everyone in

(35:18):
this building. It's his job. He made a decision based
on the body of work after three years of wins
and losses, that we were going in the wrong direction.
He has said from day one, this is a coach
centric organization. He believes that the head coach should be
the loudest voice. That is that they're they're equal. They

(35:41):
all report to him, but the head coach is, you know,
among equals. He's the lead. He's the lead he has
He's the one who's gonna drive the boat. Sept the culture,
who we are and where we're going. That's what he said.
He said it today again in the press conference. So
he made a decision that based on the direction that

(36:02):
he felt like he needed to make a change on
the coaching after doing all the evaluation. You can agree
or disagree with that, whether he should be the head
coach that whether he Doug should have got fired or not,
he thought he should. He felt like, based on where
this organization was today, that Trent Balkey had done enough
while still under contract to fill be the GM moving forward,

(36:27):
while at the same time he said that if someone
came with a better thing, Because he made a great
point in the press conference because people asked him, why
don't you clean house? He's like, well, tell me what
cleaning house means? All this prayer phrase clean house and
he's like, well, what does that mean? Should I get

(36:47):
rid of all the trainers and the equipment guys and
the video guys? Are they all? Are they all trash too?

Speaker 12 (36:53):
That's not what that question was either.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
I'm just telling you they asked the question. When you
say clean house, are you saying so, just get rid
of the GM? You get rid of all the scouts?
Do you get rid of all the scouts too?

Speaker 12 (37:04):
Eventually you will if your GM comes in, new.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
GM comes in, he hires his own scouts, Yes, unless
he unless he really likes guys on the stamp.

Speaker 12 (37:10):
That happens all in time to this league, And okay, it.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Usually happens right after the drift, right after the draft
and that's fine.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
But my point is the whole point I'm making. I'm
not sitting here saying he should or should not have
fired Trent Balky. I have not weighed in at all,
just like I didn't weigh in all year whether he
should fire Trimbalke or Doug Peterson. I haven't weighed in
whether he should should have fired Doug or not. It's
not my job to hire and fire people at the

(37:37):
end of the day. And I've said it before and
I'll say it now. Sean and whoever is evaluating this
buility needed to take a deep look at the whole
thing because it's not working. We had four wins. We
spent more money than anybody and we have four wins.
We were one in five to finish the season. We're
not productive. We have too many we've been in the
top five too many picking. We have too many double

(37:58):
digit losing seasons. So that's all I said. And my
point is when Pete brings up, he's like, well, you
should have fired He can't be a part of the search.
You know, if Sean doesn't know anybody, that's that's nonsense.
He's been around since twenty twelve and everyone gets all excited,
let's go high. What GM do you want? First of all,
half the people on X you don't even know what

(38:20):
makes a good GM. You you're you're giving me names
of guys who are scouts. How do you know they're
gonna be good? What they do? Do you even know what?

Speaker 12 (38:28):
I don't know anybody's ever gonna be good? Is this?

Speaker 7 (38:31):
That's my whole point, Pete, and you're my whole point
is And then you got your saying, well, you know,
look at the Jets. They're going with Tannebaugh and Spielman.
Oh great, two guys who are talking heads at networks.
They can't get a job. I'm gonna trust No, that's
what you said, Pete. That's what you said, and so
you have to guy, that's what you said.

Speaker 8 (38:52):
You said, ultimately responsible for the mess that you're in,
conducting the helping it, eliting the search.

Speaker 12 (39:00):
Just think about that for a second. The guy who.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Is ultimately responsible for the mess that this team is
in right now is leading the search.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
No, I disagree with that. He's not leading it. Shod's
leading it, just like he led the last search with
Doug Peterson. Yes, Pete, you're wrong.

Speaker 12 (39:16):
He'll be he'll he'll make the vital decisions.

Speaker 8 (39:18):
They'll bring the guys to him, and Trent will have
major input on who comes to.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
That part of the statement today. And this is an
interesting part to me. I will collaborate with GM, Trim
Balki and others within and close to our organization.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
I think me well, but let's find out this happened
today and people are losing their mind and I got
you today. At this moment, I have not talked to
Shod since the announcement has been made, so I don't
know if I'm another or not.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
The only thing I can think of right now is
you're either another or somebody's outside taking you down from the.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
Reg That's not true, Pete. I have not said I've
I've been the loud loudest voice that what we are
doing is not good enough. I've just said from the beginning,
I'm not going to hire and fire anybody. I've been
critical of Doug when he was here as the coach,
and I've praised him when he was the coach. I've
been critical of Trent Bulky when he's the coach, and

(40:17):
I've praised him as the I mean as a GM.
And I've praised him as the GM. I'm never gonna
hire a fire that's not my job. I will be critical.
I thought we missed on free agency. I didn't like
where we did certain things this year. I think the
results speak for themselves.

Speaker 12 (40:31):
Not critical. You're not critical at all.

Speaker 8 (40:35):
Keeping a guy who was ultimately responsible for the same
thing that got the coach fired, You're not critical of that.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
It's the progative of the owner. Let's see, let's see
if this plays out.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
I mean, you can't be critical of it. It is
the progative.

Speaker 8 (40:48):
I don't hire and fire anybody either, and I don't
have a team to hire or fire anybody. Sean con does,
and I respect Sean kan. I just don't think this
is a great, a great way to go about it.

Speaker 12 (40:59):
That's not how I would go about it. That's all
I'm saying. I would not go I would when I mean,
when somebody asked that question.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
Ask that question, and that's fair.

Speaker 12 (41:07):
Who asked? Who asked to clean the house question?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I think I don't remember off the top of my head.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
And whoever asked that question wasn't talking about the cafeteria workers.
They weren't talking about They were talking about the general manager.
And when you talk about cleaning house, you mean the
general manager and the coach.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
We're come back, I'm gonna ask one I'm gonna ask
one question to Pete. We can Pete answer when we
get back in the NFL. Who's more responsible for the
wins and losses? The head coach or the GM.

Speaker 12 (41:43):
All right, let me think about it.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
Let's talk about that when we come back, because I
I want to. I want to dive into that because
that's part of like, I'm not trying to dodge anything,
and I don't appreciate I love the do ball people.
The one thing I'm not is a turncoat. And Pete,
you can kiss it, kiss where the sun doesn't shine.
I've never been paid off, so you can kiss my

(42:05):
you know what. And I'll come down there to Southward
and beat you beyond recognition.

Speaker 9 (42:12):
And so.

Speaker 7 (42:14):
No, I trust me. You want to let it go,
we can drive your ass up here and let's go.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
We're back in a moment. Wow, wrong one.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
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Speaker 12 (43:01):
No?

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (43:03):
First, if if Tony Cobb put Pte and I in
the ring for an a W, it would be the
most unathletic, unh unlike coordinated arabic there, Like there'd be
no like flips and like it'd be like on the

(43:23):
ground slow motion like that.

Speaker 12 (43:27):
I mean, we can't look. We both lost a bunch
of weight. But I need taking my damn shirt off.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Oh I'm fine, Pete, I'm fine taking the shirt off.
I'm just not gonna move fast enough where it can
I can hurt myself for it, like I can't. It'll
be like it would be awful.

Speaker 12 (43:44):
M right for the bad hip.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
Oh it's not to hip. Some worry about the shoulder.
You'd hit my shoulder and I just crumble.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I go down to lift you up over his head.
There's no way with the shoulder.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
I'd have to lift you like right to my chin,
Like hey, Pete, let's go.

Speaker 12 (44:02):
I got him so, I got him so riled up.
In the last second he was driving down.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
I still right now, just a flat street brawl. I'm in.

Speaker 12 (44:13):
All right.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
So the question before the question was what is more
responsible for wins and losses?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Head coach or GM Pete. What's your answer?

Speaker 8 (44:22):
The answer to that question to me is always the
general manager. And if we always go back to what
we say, it's Jimmy's and Joe's and not x'es and o's.
And so from that standpoint, I will stand by that.
It doesn't mean you don't have to have a good coach,
because the player's got to get developed too, and that

(44:44):
has been a.

Speaker 12 (44:44):
Problem in Jacksonville.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
I'm not going to sugarcoat that, and I'm not going
to sit here and defend Doug Peterson and the development
of players and the offensive system and everything else.

Speaker 12 (44:54):
I'm just I'm just not But the ultimately talent wins
in this league, and so.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
It's general manager much more important.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
I disagree, like on tho I think the head coach
is the more important position.

Speaker 8 (45:14):
I mean, if you know what, if you have bad talent,
hold on, let me, or good talent a bad coach,
who's gonna have a better team?

Speaker 7 (45:21):
I think the good coach with uh, I think if
I think you have extremes like really good, really bad,
but I think good coaching. Good coaching is in the
game of football in the NFL more than any other
professional sports. The head coach is absolutely critical. And it's
also why Pete. Head coaches in this league make probably

(45:41):
two x what general managers make.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
Okay, you have Mac Jones and I have Trevor Lawrence
because I drafted him, and your guy drafted and busted
out and took Mac Jones.

Speaker 12 (45:53):
Who's who's going to have a better team? Well, tell
me better the coach.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
Your coach is Bill Belichick in his heyday, and my
coaches is uh Doug Peterson.

Speaker 12 (46:01):
Is your team gonna be better than mine?

Speaker 7 (46:04):
Well, I mean you're going extreme, so everything else, everything else?
So like, okay, I'll give you another like I don't
like like call it single players. I'll give you an example.
Who's more responsible for Detroit Brad Holmes or Dan Campbell?
Brad Holmes. Yeah, because you're crazy. You are nuts.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
Okay, Who's who, like who made the decision to go
get Jared Goff.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Who's who set the culture, who's at the work ethic,
who's at the toughness? Who like Jared Goff was a
shell of himself. So you're telling me Brad Holmes fixed
Jared Goff.

Speaker 12 (46:46):
Goff went to a Super Bowl with the rim.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
He was run out of town and he thought he
was getting benched when he went and talked to uh
Dan Campbell. So you're telling me you'd give Brad Holmes
credit for fixing Jared got more than than you, Like
you're out of your mind, Like you've lost all respect gone.
Now I'm really.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
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Speaker 5 (47:25):
You know what is a complete overhaul of the franchise? Okay,
we have I think.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
If you look at it, health and wellness obviously up
the players, medical, you know, statistics, analysis, scouting, and you
know a number of other elements along with you know,
contract administration.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
All of those areas you know, we have.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Really changed improved circling over the last four or five years.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
So to change all of that is almost like suicidal.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
That that you've got eighty five people working on that
side and you say I'm gonna get rid of them
and find eighty five new people.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
They're gonna be better than that.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
You know, that's that's like shooting yourself the fut I mean,
we need to go to work on something that is broken,
that needs to be fixed, and continually be improving things
that are working.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
That's Jaguars owners shot con earlier today on a Zoom
press conference with the media, and it's our two Jaguars
Happy Hour, JP shatterck, Tony Vasselli, Pete Prisco the second
Hour presented by Mister Chubby's Wings before the game, after
the game, and during the game. We're on Tintinexcel, Jaguars
dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. The Jaguars have fired head coach

(48:52):
Doug Peterson after three seasons. Peterson finished twenty two and
twenty nine in the regular season as Jaguars head coach,
but finished his and you're five and eighteen in his
last twenty three games. The Jaguars are now into another
coaching search. Owner Shot con will now have his sixth
full time head coach in what will be his fourteenth

(49:12):
season as the owner coming up in twenty twenty five.
Started with Mike Mlwarkeye for a year, Gus Bradley for
four years, Doug Marone for four years, Urban Meyer not
even a year, Darryl Bebble was the interim that doesn't count,
and then Doug Peterson the last three years onto twenty
twenty five and beyond with Trent Balky as the general manager.
He will remain and Trent Balke on his alignment with

(49:36):
the head coach moving ahead.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
I think Doug and I were aligned, very aligned and
reopened and honest conversations with Doug for three straight years.
So I don't know that the marriage factor. You know,
this is a situation where you go out and you
pick the best person you can pick and you go

(49:58):
to work.

Speaker 7 (49:59):
You roll up your sleeve and go to work.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Nobody has a crystal ball.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
Mistakes are made in all the time in this business
and you got to you gotta self correct.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
And that's Trent Balky Jaguars general managers still on with
the team and the con bulkeypresser available at Jaguars dot Com.
Jaguars YouTube from earlier today, JP Shadwick, Pete Prisco, Tony
Boselli rehashing everything that has happened the day after the season,
and a lot has happened. Doug Peterson is out. The

(50:29):
search begins.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Tony.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Here we are, Yeah, I mean, I mean Peter. We
finished last hour, Pete with the conversation. You know, GM
or head coach? Who's more responsible? And I you and
I agree on most things about this league, but I
just disagree with you on the head coach is the
most important hire you can make.

Speaker 12 (50:51):
Well, let me ask this, Tony.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
Bill Belichick football coach was undone by Bill Belichick general manager.

Speaker 12 (51:01):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 9 (51:05):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Yeah, I think I think that. I'm just thinking, yeah,
I think that's right. But I guess my bigger point is, Pete,
they're both important. I'm not saying you can do one
without the other.

Speaker 12 (51:15):
But there's no do I believe that there's the question.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
Wasn't that?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
The question was what one's more important to winning?

Speaker 7 (51:21):
And the more important the winnings is the head coach
and that's why they get paid more. Okay, ask question
is more important? Let me ask you a question you
had to get rid of. No, okay, let me ask
you a question you had to get rid of one guy,
Veach or Andy Reid.

Speaker 12 (51:38):
I get rid of Andy Reid. Forget said that.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
Okay, let me ask you another one, Jim Harbor or
whoever the gym it's at the Los Angeles Chargers is would.

Speaker 12 (51:58):
You get rid of would you get rid of my whole?
Or Andy Reid? I mean we can go that one too.
I mean.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
No, first of all, the.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
Guy who found Mahomes, because the guy who found Mahomes
is Brett Beach.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
Well you don't think Andy Reid had anything to do
with the picking of uh Mahomes. Come on, Pete, you
know better.

Speaker 12 (52:21):
Listen, go back and listen to all the stories Brett Beach.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
I'm not saying I say that, but you're telling me
they they picked a quarterback without Andy Reid signing off
on it. Come on, Pete, come on, you don't get
a pull any Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 9 (52:35):
But so so.

Speaker 12 (52:37):
But you're saying that the coach is more important than
the talent.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
No, I didn't say that. First of all, if you
do this right, the coaching staff is a part of
the evaluation and the picking of the players.

Speaker 12 (52:50):
But well that's not always.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
That's how it works at most organizations. I shouldn't say
most a lot. So let me let's go through this.
Let's go through the playoff teams. So you don't think
that Dan Campbell has any say and who they pick?
You think as your question Brad Holmes just goes to
behind a curtain and just picks, like, Okay, Dan, this
is who you get. I mean, okay, let go to

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another one to we know Andy Reid has input. I'm
not evenna go there. You don't think Jim Harball has
a saying who they picking Los Angeles?

Speaker 12 (53:24):
Who had the input when you were playing?

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Well, Tom was everything. He was both right so so
but he would But that's a different model, Pete. He
was the GM and head coach, and the and the
cook and the chief marketing officer and the ways.

Speaker 8 (53:43):
What's more important than to you as a coach or
the general matter of that team.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
So the coach, he's the head coach. As a coach,
he set the culture of the standard of what we did,
how we did it.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
You can set a standard with with twenty two jps
and ate winning.

Speaker 7 (54:00):
Pete, You're missing the bigger point.

Speaker 14 (54:02):
Wat you're acting like you're acting like these GMS pick
guys in a vacuum with no input from the coaching staff.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
I'm saying, but ultimately, the GM, if he's the person
in the head of the department, he has a decision making.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
I get that. But you're asking me like Andy Reid
or Brett Reach. I'll take Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh or
whoever the head the GM at the Chargers is. I'll
take Jim Harbaugh. You know, I can go down the list.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
But that's not what That's not what your question.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
Yeah, that question which is more important?

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Which which is ultimately more important for winning talent?

Speaker 7 (54:50):
No, I didn't say talent. That's not what I said.
You're acting like the GM picks the talent all by themselves.

Speaker 12 (54:57):
He does, he does, he makes a decisions.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, who has the veto power? Is what?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Remember when that was the question, like they asked Tom
Coffin or Askedhot Gone and Tom wouldn't answer it, and
Shot had to be asked again.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
He's like, well, Tom, so who would be that?

Speaker 7 (55:15):
I don't actually know. To Pete's point, this is fair,
I actually don't know who had final say between Doug
and and Trent. I don't know that, Trent. Did you
don't know that, Pete, Trent did you don't know that.
You're saying that you don't know that?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Why say that?

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Okay, tell me what that's a better question, thank.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
You, JP the general because he's a general manager, you
could look at who the players he picked and figure
out who picked them.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
So we asked you a question, Well, if that's the case,
if if our coaching staff, because I don't know this,
if our coaching staff had no say and Doug had
no say, okay, yes you are if they were not
involved in the process, and did they in their opinion
did not matter? Was not uh included in the you know,

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the weight waiting of who we pick, then that's a
problem and that's a change, and like that's not okay.
I would disagree with that.

Speaker 12 (56:10):
I would agree with you.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
I would tell right like Tuesday, like like that doesn't
make sense to me, but.

Speaker 8 (56:17):
Just like the player personnel directly, but you don't but
you don't But he ain't making a decision.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
But you don't know that, Pete, is my point. You
don't know how much input Doug or his staff had.
I don't either.

Speaker 12 (56:29):
I don't know I don't. I really am having a
hard time bearing you out today.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
I'm not defending Trent here, Pete. I'm just saying I'm
going back to the question. It was a simple question.
What is more important the head coach or the GM?

Speaker 12 (56:46):
Well, what's more important is talent than the.

Speaker 7 (56:49):
Head That's not the question, Pete, is.

Speaker 12 (56:52):
A question the GM brings the talent in.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
Okay, let me ask you. Okay, let's go. I'm gonna
give it a real Let's go outside the Jaguars, Los Ange,
those Chargers. Are they a better team with Jim Horbrough
as their head coach then they whoever.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Joe horis the way?

Speaker 7 (57:10):
Okay? Are they a better head coach this year? Are
they improved over last year with Jim Harball as their coach?

Speaker 12 (57:18):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (57:18):
Okay, What additions did they make on talent wise? Lad McConkie,
Oh well, okay, before we know the Ladd mcconfie.

Speaker 9 (57:29):
They got rid of a all Pro receiver who can
run anymore?

Speaker 7 (57:34):
Okay, they got They also got rid of a Pro
Bowl or borderline Pro Bowl receiver in Mike Williams. They
also okay, I'm just I'm just stating they also got.

Speaker 12 (57:46):
Rid of a second year player who's gotten better.

Speaker 9 (57:48):
Hold on John.

Speaker 7 (57:49):
They also got rid of Austin Eckler. They're leading back.

Speaker 12 (57:56):
I ended just another back. J Dobbins sat, Okay, my quite.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
So are they better because they got more talent or
they better because Jim Harball came in and changed the
culture as the head coach.

Speaker 12 (58:08):
Well, they're also better because Justin Herbert is healthy. He
wasn't healthy last year.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
Pete, you were being disingenuous right now.

Speaker 12 (58:17):
Rules talent rules the rust. It always will.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
I'm not saying that you're missing my point. I'm hoping
that the head coach has like if and I'm literally saying,
I don't know, but if I find if I were
to find out like the head coach the Doug Peterson
his staff had no say and who they were picking
and the players that came here, that would be a
problem to me, Like that makes no sense.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
But no saying what like because Coughlin used to have
an input from everybody and he'd have the final say
and make.

Speaker 12 (58:49):
The final decision. Okay, So so input is fun.

Speaker 8 (58:53):
Look, if I'm the general matter to that team, I
want every scout, every personnel guy to give me their input.

Speaker 12 (58:59):
And not be a yes man. I want every coach
who's doing the work on their players to give me
the input and not be a yes man. And if
you think you like a player, tell me I'm going
back and doing more work on them. Ultimately I'm making
the final decision.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree with that. I guess
it would be interesting, Pete, I don't know the answer
to this is of the fifty three guys on the
roster of this football team, how many of those players
of the whoever were acquired over the last three years

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when Doug Peterson and Trent worked together. What percentage of
those players that came in over that three year period
or left? Did Doug Peterson and his staff just violently
like we're against and Trent just picked them? Anyways? Oh no,
I don't either. It'd be an interesting question, my I

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guess in a Funk organization that number should be as
close to zero as possible.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
Well, that's never the case, and that's why you have
Pete listen.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
I said as close to zero as possible, because if
you're doing it, ultimately someone has to make the call.
I agree with you, Pete. There, but good leadership is
finding and figuring out how to get to the right
answer together because both of you are in it together,
and it just doesn't work if you go pick a
guy that the player that the head that the coaching

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staff doesn't want, or that or the coaching staff gets
a guy that the scouting department all the time, I Pete,
you and I've talked about this. This is where you
and I agree. My question is and this is and
and I'm assuming these are the questions that Sean has
asked because as you make these decisions, you'd want this

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information so you could make an informed decision. I don't
have it. Is my point, Pete, is it'd be interesting,
like because it goes to your point, Pete, this is
actually would solve are who's more important? Because if that's
wildly different, you can't answer the question I'm asking what's
more important? The GM where the head coach because they're
not on the same page. My point is, my assumption

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in that question is like there's there's I'm not saying
one hundred percent of alignment, because to Pete's point, there's
never is. There's always gonna be differences, but it's it's
ninety five and at that point then it's all about
that head coach. That head coach is the most important
thing in the building.

Speaker 12 (01:01:31):
Well, here's the other part of them. You're you're, you're,
you're right about coach in the GM working together. And
yet every in a lie, not everyone, but in many of.

Speaker 8 (01:01:43):
These buildings, they start out working together, and then the
praying start.

Speaker 12 (01:01:48):
Either you have successes get in the way. It's true
the GM drafts a player.

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
And the coach doesn't develop him, and he blames him,
and then the coaches starts saying you're not getting the talent.

Speaker 12 (01:02:00):
All of a sudden, you have ripped inside the building. Okay,
it happens all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:02:03):
In this sleep. So that's the reason I'm sitting here
making this case that if that happens, and it happens
where guys come in together, why not start over again
so you can.

Speaker 12 (01:02:17):
Avoid that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
Back in a moment. That's that's a fair question. See,
that's a good I mean, we should let's dig into
that when we come back, because that's a I want
to unpack that more and it'd be curious to understand,
and we I guess we'll never know. I'm sure Sean
looked into this. How did Trent and Doug work together
because I had to go into weighing the decision to
let one go and not both, because he felt like

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Trent was doing a good enough job as far as
the procurement side of the business, and that really was
the coaching side, right, I mean, I mean, that's what
that's what the decision sounds like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
We'll get into that when we come back. We've got fanatics,
fan questions. A little later, we got to go around
the league. We gotta say goodbye for the seat as well.
That's all ahead and is Jaguars Happy Hour presented by
mister Chubby's Wings.

Speaker 15 (01:03:08):
Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,
we all had a hand and you know, this season
and just how the way things have shaken out. I
have a ton of respect for Doug. He's maybe a
better football player, a better man, and you know, I
think he's one of the better coaches who have coached
in this league. And it's just unfortunate the way that

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things went. But obviously the organization has to make a
decision that they feel his best going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
It's Christian Kirk, Jaguars wide receiver, in the locker room
earlier today, and welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, our
number two presented by Mister Chubby's Wings J. P. Shadwick
with Tony Bisselli from Hyundai Studios inside the Miller Electric Center.
Pete Prisco is that in South Florida, we've got fanatics,
fan questions coming up, but a lot on the plate today.

Speaker 12 (01:04:00):
And by the way, I gotta ask you this, did
the quarterback that talk today.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Trevor Lawrence was not in the locker room during media time.
I'll say that I don't know if he was in
the building or what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
They just very interesting, Pete. It's not what you think
he was not. And I'm not going to get into why.
It's no one's business, but it's not. There's no there's
no scandalous story behind it, Pete. Is my point, trust me.
I'm just telling you, well.

Speaker 12 (01:04:33):
You must have thought it. Then if you found out why.

Speaker 7 (01:04:35):
No, I didn't even know. He didn't speak until he
was told told me why he didn't. So there's nothing scandalous, nothing,
there's no story, there is my point.

Speaker 12 (01:04:45):
Anybody talk to Doug.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
I don't know, but I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I don't know, maybe, but I don't know, I don't
know the answer to that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
So what we we ended the last segment. I mean,
I think I think Pete one of the things. And
I get, by the way, your position and it's the
position of our fans that are not happy that there
was not a complete cleaning of the house. I get it.
I mean, I'm getting just attacked right now from all sides,

(01:05:15):
from all sides, like I like, I am like attacked
because I'm not I am not leading with torches and pitchforks.
The execution of Trembulk. I mean they, I mean, they
people want him gone. They called they called you a turncoat,
they called me ant, I mean, that's like as bad
as it comes. Ieted me and said, I got I

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got all kinds of things in my ex feed over
the last hour and a half peat since we've had
the show. And I get it understood. I understand there's
blood in the water. My point is the evaluation was done,
and you can disagree with it, but the evaluation done
by Sean felt like the area that need to be

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addressed immediately was the head coach. And I and I fine,
and I'm not saying that what Trent has done is
not is above criticism over the last three plus years
he's been here. I'm not saying that at all. I
mean it's fair to be critical. We have not won

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enough games and because of that, at the end of
the day, that's what we're all judged by in this business, players,
coaches and GMS, front office people. Owners, that's what we're
judged by. And when you don't hit the standard, there's
demand from the fan base of changing. My only point
is is if you look at it, you have an owner.

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While you might not be fully satisfied because the GM
is still here made a decision that a lot of
other teams in similar situations did not and stood pat
on their head coach. And it's not like Doug Peterson
does not have success and has not done good things,
but Sean felt like it was not good enough. And

(01:07:11):
I think making these blanket and this is why I
had to ask the conversation to Pete. What's more important
the head coach with the GM I and I and
Pete and I agree, by the way, talent is, it's
Jimmy's and Joe's at the end of the day, and
who needs be also included in this accountability And if
you're a fan, and I've been one of these guys.
It's the players. You should hold them accountable too. They

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didn't play good enough. They did not.

Speaker 12 (01:07:39):
But well they didn't do anything good enough.

Speaker 7 (01:07:41):
That's my point. Pete and and I and so we
got it has to be better across the board. And
if you listen to Sean's press conference, he's very clear
it needs to get better. It's not good enough right now.
I believe the decision to move into a new head

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coach direction is going to solve the problem. I'm comfortable that. However,
if someone brings a better decision or better solution or
structure or whatever, I'm wide open because I just want
to win. I mean, what else do you want from
an owner?

Speaker 16 (01:08:19):
Well, I'm gonna started anew what you could have started
a new Let's go back to what we were saying
before the before the break, about the egos and the
friction and the relationships and the GM.

Speaker 12 (01:08:32):
And the coach and the front office being blamed, blaming
the personnel.

Speaker 8 (01:08:36):
Staff, blaming the coaches for not developing the coaches, blaming
the personnel staff or not getting them players.

Speaker 12 (01:08:42):
That goes on in every single building. So all I'm
saying is Tony.

Speaker 8 (01:08:47):
When you're starting anew from a if you're starting as
a new head coach and you're going into a building
and you're being forced to work with somebody who you're
not necessarily align with or comfortable with or even know
very well, and the whole thing up even more.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
To have problems, not always people, not always.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
We're just gonna come in what because because every guy
that's ever left that's worked with Trent Falkey has gone out.

Speaker 12 (01:09:22):
Joe it was wonderful.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
Let's see Jim Kelly nor Ball, No Jim Tom Sulla,
no Urban Meyer.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
No, can we know? Can we not include Meyer? I mean,
Trent Palky did not stay in Cincinnati, and and and but.

Speaker 9 (01:09:43):
I know, but I know.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
I'm just telling you, like, like set aside. Urban, I
will let you go with the rest. Urban Meyer stayed
behind after Thursday night football to hang out and have
his hands wander to areas of a female that is
not his wife. You can't put that on Trent Bulky.
That is not No. I've been as critical as anybody

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of Trent of good, bad and different, and I have
a real Himurban Meyer. P that's ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
Let's let's take the let's take the little escapade at
the bar out of the equation.

Speaker 12 (01:10:20):
He wasn't any good to begin with, was he?

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
Yeah, but you're making the assumption that was Trent's higher.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Let's steakhouse is closed.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
By the way, he was part of it, Pete, I
think you're making assumptions. I just don't know if it's.

Speaker 12 (01:10:35):
True he was part of it. And so okay, so
let's just say every guy that's ever worked with him
has had a problem with him, the coaches, right, that's
the perception, right of course.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
So why why would you subject a new coach and
a new guy that you're trying to change the culture
and like you talk about so having somebody left that
was part of the bad culture, than are you?

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Are you?

Speaker 7 (01:11:12):
Did you like? His point is if just making sure
he's done, because I couldn't tell if his internet went
out again or if he's done talking.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
Oh, I was done.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
I was done.

Speaker 12 (01:11:21):
He didn't want to answer the question.

Speaker 9 (01:11:22):
No, I did not know. That's not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
I thought you froze.

Speaker 9 (01:11:24):
Literally, you know that weird.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
I think that you're that dumb look on your face,
and I thought it was frozen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
If they're all in it together, then why are they
not all out of it together.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
That's a fair question.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And if it's a team, hey, we're all in this
thing together, then why is one person out?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
And that's a big question I think a lot of people.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
Have and that's a fair question. And I don't have
a good answer for that, because I think that would
have been a good question that shot. I don't know.
I didn't I wasn't part of the decision making process.
And I get that. And and by the way, a
lot of people, not everyone, but a lot of people
in the league feel that that the GM and the
head coach of be in it together. And if you

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fire one, you fire the other.

Speaker 12 (01:12:06):
Hey. And by the way, most gentle managers don't get
three coaches.

Speaker 7 (01:12:12):
They usually get two.

Speaker 12 (01:12:16):
Or or what next? Including two first overall?

Speaker 7 (01:12:21):
But but just fair and pe that brings up a
fair point, and it's a fair question, but it's not
doesn't happen like that everywhere. Like Howie Roseman up in
Philly has been the head coach, been the GM for
a lot of head coaches. Three off the top of
my head I can think of, and maybe it's more
how many is it? How he been the GM for

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in Philly Pete, Chip uh Nick Sirianni, Doug Peterson, anyone
else who was before Chip? Was he the head coach
with Howie the GM before Chip.

Speaker 12 (01:12:54):
I think, so I do too. I gotta look at it.
But okay, but he won't he's one Pete.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
I get that. No, no, no, Well, and I think
the reason that Trent got so much leeway in San
Francisco because with Jim Harborough he went to three NFC
championships in the Super Bowl, so he won there.

Speaker 8 (01:13:16):
But if he had just left it alone, if they
had just stayed together, they would have they would have
continued to win it probably would have won a super Bowl.

Speaker 12 (01:13:22):
But of course they had to get they had to
start going at each other. I mean, that's the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:13:27):
I get that, but I'm speaking to the point of
why is he got more? I think you make a
fair point. Is I'm actually agreeing with you because most
of the time you don't get that many head coaches.

Speaker 12 (01:13:41):
Jim Harball is not the easiest guy in the world
to work with either.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
He's different, he's a but by the way, he's a
dang good head coach. Bo j That's another one they
did today.

Speaker 12 (01:13:58):
They firmly pointed the finger. Doug Peterson.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Can't I cannot argue that, Pete. I can't. I can't.

Speaker 12 (01:14:07):
They absolved the general manager.

Speaker 7 (01:14:09):
I disagree with that. I did not hear him job.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
It doesn't seem like a glowing endorsement.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Zoom.

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
That's exactly right, Pete. I don't think that was a
glowing endorsement. Like, hey, like I'm happy with everything going on.
I mean, he literally said in the press conference at
the end, if someone has like like I'm wide open,
I want to win. I mean, Pete, you know, I
mean you you've brought that up as well. Was that
not said?

Speaker 12 (01:14:36):
It was said? It was, But he also said he
might be bringing somebody above.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
Right, He also said that too, So like, I guess
my bigger point is, let's all take a deep breath,
like there's a lot of runway still in front of us,
a lot of road, a lot of road to travel,
and so let's get down the road a little bit
for or to see how this thing plays out.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
We're, you know, the road that Benn travel has been
driven off the cliff by the guy who's still making
a decision.

Speaker 12 (01:15:10):
Right over the side.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Well, wait a second, what guy.

Speaker 12 (01:15:15):
Football decisions? Right now as we speak, who's making the
football decisions.

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
Well, head coach picking the head coach of Shot Khan,
not Trent.

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
No, who's making the football decisions for the organization as
we speak right now?

Speaker 12 (01:15:32):
Hire somebody, cut somebody who's making those decisions.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
Well, it depends at the level, at some level, I
think it still goes through Shot Pete. I think Trent
is good Like I don't think Shot. I don't think
Trent is going to make it. I don't think let's
use an example, I don't think Trent has the ability
to go trade Josh heinz Allen for somebody else or
picks or anything else without Shot signing off on it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:53):
Of course not but but but again, he's the one
who's going to make that decision to bring it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:58):
To him, is he not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Today?

Speaker 7 (01:16:00):
Yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (01:16:01):
Yes see.

Speaker 8 (01:16:02):
And here's something I'm gonna say right now, And I
said this all season long. When Seod came out and
made the comment about the best team ever put together
in Jaguars history, whether he said that in history or
since he's been here, that information came from the general manager.

Speaker 12 (01:16:22):
And when it comes from the general manager, who's ultimately
behind and who's.

Speaker 8 (01:16:28):
Ultimately responsible doesn't work well, it played out exactly that way.

Speaker 12 (01:16:33):
It didn't work.

Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
And who got fired not the guy who had the
talented roster, the best in the history of mankind. They
got fired was the coach and not the general manager.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
You're right about that, and you and I have talked
at length on the show. We both disagree with the comment,
whether it's looking at the history of the Jaguars or
even just in SHOT's been the owner. I don't think
I said this before going into the season. I didn't
think this was the most talented roster.

Speaker 12 (01:16:58):
Well where did jod get that from?

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
I don't again, Pete. The only the only thing I
claimed it wasn't him I know is Doug didn't tell.

Speaker 8 (01:17:06):
Him that because because because no coach is ever going
to put himself with the bullseye.

Speaker 12 (01:17:12):
We got the most talented team we've ever had. You
win four games out the door.

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
I don't know if it was Trent or maybe it
was somebody on Trend's team. I don't know who said it. Pete.
I really don't let's come back.

Speaker 8 (01:17:24):
Because I got a plot of land in the middle
of the ever Glady, you might be interested in buying
the same things.

Speaker 12 (01:17:29):
Come on.

Speaker 9 (01:17:29):
You know who said it. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
It's waterfront property though.

Speaker 7 (01:17:33):
Pete, because a lot of around a good view.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Snakes close to wildlife.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Back in a moment, Fanatics fan questions when we return,
it's Shaguars Happy Hour presented by mister Chubby's Wings.

Speaker 17 (01:17:54):
It's definitely something that me personally, I don't want to
hear that thing. He's a great coach. He's not some
great things at his organization, and he's a great guy,
great coach. Like I said, I won't wish that on anyone,
but you know his life. We all faced with obstacles
in life and we just got to keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Trayvon Walker in the locker room today his reaction to
the Doug Peterson firing earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
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best we've come up with at coach K Sowers. Do
you think Brian Thomas Junior saved Balky's job?

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
I do not.

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
No, I do not, So he did not.

Speaker 12 (01:18:52):
But you could go back and say this guy to
this guy, have gotten a fired and you don't do that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
So no, did not save it? Here can I?

Speaker 7 (01:19:01):
And this isn't just a Trent issue or about Trent.
This is overall anyway like I would love and I
don't know the answered this. Where do you think Brian
Thomas Jr. Was on their board as far as receivers?

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Mhm? Was he their top guy? Or was there's no
chance Neighbors above him or whoever?

Speaker 7 (01:19:25):
Okay, yeah it was.

Speaker 12 (01:19:26):
It was probably like everybody else in the league. They
probably had Harrison and Neighbors.

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
He was probably fourth.

Speaker 12 (01:19:33):
A doonsday was ahead of them, I mean most likely.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
I mean okay, but let's say they'll never admit that
they won't. Okay, let's guy. Let's say they had him
really high and you knew he was going to be
this good. Then would your risk trading down three times?

Speaker 9 (01:19:51):
Right?

Speaker 12 (01:19:52):
No, got all those extra picks for next year?

Speaker 7 (01:19:55):
Okay, let me go back one more, let me go,
did you hit new GM will use what they bring him.
Let me go back one more thing. If you knew,
like here's their thing, we would have never drafted Brian
Thomas Jr. If Calvin Ridley at the twenty third hour
didn't take a deal from the Titans because he was

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coming signing here.

Speaker 12 (01:20:19):
And yet you just sit there and defend the hell
out of the decision to keep the guys.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
I'm not I'm just saying this is the big My
whole point is, this isn't about Trent, It's the whole league.
Is no pete, it's not. I'm making the case that
you have to look at the whole thing from the
whole league. Sometimes teams luck into I'll give you another
example of Baltimore Ravens, who's one of the best organizations.
Ozzy Smith one of the best gms. He's a shortstop

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short for the Cardinals. Ozzie Newsom, one of the great
gms in the history of this league. John Harball, great
head coach, the new GM under Er Costa other really
good was groomed under Ozzie. Great front office, great organization.
I love how they do it. They have an identity,

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know who they are. They draft people they drafted so
you think they knew Lamar Jackson was gonna be Lamar
Jackson drafting thirty first, thirty second. No, if they did,
they would have traded up and figured out. Now, I'll
give the Chiefs credit because they had conviction that Pat
Mahomes was gonna be Pat Mahomes, and they traded to

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go get them. The Ravens were fortunate. Now what they
once they got him, what they did a great job
of doing is building a system that helped him develop
and took advantage of his skills early. My point is,
do you think Bill Belichick that Tom Brady knew Tom
Brady was gonna be the greatest quarterback ever?

Speaker 12 (01:21:46):
They got lucky.

Speaker 9 (01:21:47):
They got lucky.

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
He was a sixth rounder. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Bounces your way.

Speaker 7 (01:21:54):
That's all I'm saying, Pete.

Speaker 8 (01:21:56):
Yeah, but you also go spend a boatload of money
in a bunch of free agents that they'll I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:22:00):
I'm not talking about this year, Pete. I'm I wasn't
even talking about.

Speaker 12 (01:22:03):
Talking in general. I'm talking about this team.

Speaker 9 (01:22:06):
This team. I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:22:08):
I was just talking about in general. Like I always
loved that these fans and US talking heads make these
comments like, oh, did Brian Thomas saves job? Like, hold on,
I think we got a little bit fortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Little detailed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Didn't the Ravens trade back up to thirty second to
get that last pick in twenty eighteen?

Speaker 12 (01:22:24):
I think they did, Pete, didn't somebody pass on on
Mr Jackson?

Speaker 7 (01:22:29):
Everybody did that. Everyone did a certain.

Speaker 12 (01:22:32):
Team when there were a certain team that passed on
them right before that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, a couple of picks before got a big defensive tackle.

Speaker 7 (01:22:41):
My point is, I don't know if they traded back
up in or not. I think they did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
I'm looking at it now.

Speaker 7 (01:22:47):
My point is the pointment if they thought he was
going to be a three time MVP, they would have
got up to five. Everyone would have. That's my my
only point.

Speaker 12 (01:22:56):
I mean you yeah, no, you're right, You're right. You
get lucky in the draft. Something you can do all
the evaluation.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
That's my old boy, Pete. Like free agency is different
because you have a body of work the drafts sometimes,
and Pete you know this as well as anybody, because
you crap out all the time in the drafts as
I do, of making like these statements.

Speaker 12 (01:23:14):
Everybody craps out every crap out everyone does.

Speaker 7 (01:23:17):
It's it's it's it's rolling the dice.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
By the way I did the Ravens game Saturday, I'm
looking at their offensive line, like six of the eight
guys that were on the roster or all drafted.

Speaker 7 (01:23:27):
Yeah, that's a philosophy. That's why I loved him. They
do it the right way. If I was gonna be
critical about anything, it's like, why haven't we developed offensive
linemen here? Now? Am I just pointing a finger at Trent. No,
that's picking and developing, that's coaching and scouting. That's both.
We have not done a good enough job there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Next question on x Fanatics fan questions love Tony, but
he's a mouthpiece for the Jags. Pete is the only
voice of reason. My question is what has Trent Balky
accomplished that has made the team better?

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
How did I go to over turncoat mouthpiece Pete. Pete's
making accusations. I'm getting paid off today.

Speaker 12 (01:24:08):
I got a bonus. They're taking they're taking, you're taking
you down. I'm not a ceremony. It's coming down.

Speaker 7 (01:24:17):
If you don't talk, well, I just don't say that
I've got a bonus, because then my wife is gonna
be like, where's the money you got paid for all this?
Pete said, you got paid. I ain't get paid anything.

Speaker 12 (01:24:27):
And you know what, she'd probably rather have the rig
of honor thing come down than not get the bonus.

Speaker 7 (01:24:32):
True. True, I don't appreciate the mouth like, you know what,
Let me say this, the question is yeah, I'll let
Pete answer it to be clear to everyone who's saying
I'm a turncoat mouthpiece or anything else. Just to be clear, No,
I know I'm I'm going to lean in and towards

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defending this organization. And if you haven't figured that out yet,
then you're not very smart. I love this place. I
work for this place. I believe in this place, and
I want this place to be great. I think seot Cohn,
I don't agree with everything, like has he got everything right? No,
but I think he's one hell of an owner and
I think we're very fortunate to have him as an owner.

Speaker 12 (01:25:18):
And I would agree with that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
So like, if you want to call me a job,
by the way, this is the best job in the NFL,
and I will say that I think it's still the
best job with Trent Bulk is the gym and I've
disagreed with trendon times I've agreed with him. I mean,
nobody's perfect, but if you like, just so you know,
if you're gonna listen to the show, and so you

(01:25:39):
can stop texting or tweeting or exing or posting stupid stuff.
It's not me being a turncoat. I'm not getting paid extra.
I work for this organization. I love this organization, and
when it comes that the chips are on the table,
I'm going to bat for this organization because I believe
in it and I believe we will win a championship
here and I'm going to be a part of it

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when it happened.

Speaker 12 (01:26:00):
So and you know me, I'm gonna tell it like
it is, and I'm telling it like it is.

Speaker 7 (01:26:04):
But Pete, I'm telling, and Pete, I love it. I'm
telling how I'm telling you, and I could be wrong
and I could have two colored glasses on, no doubt
about it. I've been called the sunshine pumper. I've been
called all kinds of things in this We.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Left that one out to that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:16):
Yeah, I'm just right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
That's for the morning I usually get.

Speaker 12 (01:26:20):
I usually get that one too.

Speaker 7 (01:26:21):
I'm just telling you give it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Hey, I got a few more questions. You're gonna have
been pretty.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
Cool, but answer Peter Ye, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Question, what is Trent Balky accomplished that has made the
team better?

Speaker 12 (01:26:32):
Look, he's he's done some good things. Brian Thomas is
one of them.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
There are Walker Walker Little, the Walker Little deal. Look
that turned out to be a dang good deal based
on the market.

Speaker 12 (01:26:45):
We'll see how he plays for full season. Don't you
can't just say three games. It's a great deal.

Speaker 7 (01:26:49):
He's getting paid. He's getting paid thirteen million dollars year,
a thirteen million dollars starting to tackle.

Speaker 12 (01:26:54):
Okay, what if he goes into he's a turnstile that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
He's not gonna be that give me a break, Pete?

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
All right, next question at way too fun shway, Please
ask Pete to unblock me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
It's been ten years.

Speaker 12 (01:27:10):
What did he do?

Speaker 7 (01:27:11):
What did he do?

Speaker 12 (01:27:13):
Look, I'll find him. I'll find out why I blocked
me out. Probably unblocked.

Speaker 7 (01:27:17):
Wow, unblocking Pete. Don't be such a curmudget it's you
trigger finger, Pete. Pete will block you in a second.
Oh my goodness, I love watching Pete.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
I'm not listening to your garbage unless you want to
talk football and give me crap about football.

Speaker 12 (01:27:30):
But if you're gonna get nasty, you're going.

Speaker 7 (01:27:32):
I love it. Next question ask you, peach, I should
I should I block a bunch of people call me
turncoat and everything else?

Speaker 12 (01:27:41):
Not unless the truth hurts.

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
Wow sensitive or you would I guarantee you Pete would
be blocking people based on the ex post.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I got to probably show and I will not block
any of you.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
I love y'all to We have had.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
A draft and developed problem for decades. How do you
fix that?

Speaker 7 (01:28:05):
It's a good it's a that's a that's a whole show.
That's a whole show. So like we don't have time,
but y and it goes back.

Speaker 12 (01:28:12):
And it goes back to what we said earlier in
the year, Tony who got better?

Speaker 7 (01:28:14):
So you staff, you have to I'm gonna say this
about the development. You have to be purposeful. It doesn't
it doesn't happen. You have to be purposeful. You have to.
You have to take advantage of the time you have
under the cb A. You have to structure it. I
mean it has to be like from everything you do
on the field, off the field, in the weight room,

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nutrition development, like you have to maximize your time, and
you gotta have a like you have to be very
detail oriented and planned for it. And I just don't
think we've done a great jot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Other teams do it. Yes, other teams have success to
developing and drafting, getting guys better.

Speaker 12 (01:28:50):
I'm just I'm just glad. I'm just glad that they're
not getting rid of anybody in the cafeteria to clean house.
That's all that. And by the way, I heard de Rocco.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Asked that question, it was that'll do it. That's fanatics,
fan questions for the day. We had plenty of submissions today.
These are the ones we can air. I'm kidding.

Speaker 12 (01:29:14):
Keeping he deserves it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah, Tony will not block anybody.

Speaker 7 (01:29:18):
I'm not gonna. I will not. I will not block
any of You can say all the bad things you
want to say about me. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
We'll come back in a moment and take a look
at the playoff schedule. Yes, it's wild Card week coming up.
We'll get to those games. Yeah, and we we have
to say goodbye, Yes we do, and get We've already
said goodbye to Tony. His microphone's off. This It's Jaguar's
Happy Hour, presented by mister Chubby's Wings.

Speaker 18 (01:29:46):
I'm gonna move back inside, uh next year. That was
That's gonna be my plan. You know, that was uh
what I wanted to do, you know this season.

Speaker 7 (01:29:56):
As well too. But you know there's there's situations that
you have to deal with.

Speaker 9 (01:30:04):
You know, in this league.

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
And yes, I'm a switch back inside, which was what
I wanted to do this season. And I'm a bet
back playing to you know, elite player that I know
I can be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
It's Eric Armstead in the locker room during clean out
day today, wants to move back inside.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Welcome back.

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Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
Can we talk about that clip right there?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Because Pete, did you hear what Eric arms is dead?

Speaker 12 (01:30:47):
He wants to move back inside.

Speaker 7 (01:30:49):
Nobody, I'm fine with what he said. He wants to
play inside next year. I'm still trying to figure out
he said he wanted that he wanted to play inside
this year, right like so who made them play outside,
because we thought, like you and I both thought, because
this is what kind of we were told it was

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Trent that, but it sounds like it was the coaching
staff wanted them outside well, and and.

Speaker 12 (01:31:16):
Part of the reason was because, like you said, all year,
they didn't have anybody. Maybe had a necessity, but he
should have pushed back harder on that. I'm not a man,
I'm a defensive interior.

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
Out of like, out of everything we've talked about today,
that was the most shocking comments of the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Back he was saying it earlier in the locker room,
and I was like, this sounds weird. So you mean
you're gonna move inside or outside? I asked him, and
that was the answer.

Speaker 7 (01:31:40):
It's like, honestly, the most fascinating thing I've heard. I'm like,
wait a second, I thought you wanted to be outside
or Trent puts you outside, or like it sounds like
the coaches were making you play outside, Like what?

Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:31:53):
So was the whole staff relieved their duties today?

Speaker 7 (01:31:56):
By the way, I don't know, because Pete, I don't
know the official because I mean, for everyone listening, the
only thing we know is that Doug was let go.
The rest of the coaches are still under contract, so
it's the team's discretion to keep them under contract while
they go look for a new head coach. That the
new head coach can keep guys if he wants to

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keep them.

Speaker 12 (01:32:18):
So some of those guys have three years on their deal, so.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
They have two years left just in defense offensive staff.

Speaker 12 (01:32:24):
Yeah, yeah, well some of them will have expiring contracts.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
Though, well I know two for sure of expiring contracts
on offense, right right.

Speaker 8 (01:32:32):
So that was never a good situation to begin with.
That's a whole other issue. But I just I'm curious
to think, like, who would like the special teams have
been great?

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Maybe you keep I'd keep Heath for sure.

Speaker 12 (01:32:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:32:46):
My recommendation to a head coach coming in a new
head coach is I would definitely interview Heath and I'd
keep Heath if I was you. I think he did
an outstanding jobs, a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Let's get to the wild card we can really quick.
I want to say good bye.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Okay, let's get through the games fast. We'll just pick
them real quick. Chargers at Texans, it's the four thirty
Saturday game.

Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
Chargers.

Speaker 12 (01:33:09):
Charge Chargers. They always put the AHD South at four
thirty on Saturday.

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
Must we play because we played at night against the Chargers?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Oh yeah, we did did?

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
So keep the Steelers at the Ravens at eight o'clock.
Steelers stink right now?

Speaker 17 (01:33:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Sunday one o'clock. Broncos at the Bills.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Bills, Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Sunday four thirty. The Packers at the Eagles.

Speaker 7 (01:33:37):
Who Eagles. It's a good game.

Speaker 12 (01:33:39):
I wish, I wish, I wish Watson wasn't hurting out
for the year. But I'm gonna take I took the
Packers before the season. I'm sticking with him. Hurts is
coming off concussion that worries me, and he hasn't been
cleared yet.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Yeah, this could be one of the best games of
the entire first time the Commanders. Commanders at Buccaneers. I'm
going Bucks.

Speaker 12 (01:33:58):
I'm going Bucks. Last one with the full wins the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Middle Bucks pinball football coming up in Tampa. And then
Monday night the Vikings at the Rams.

Speaker 7 (01:34:07):
I think the Rams win because I think the Vikings
are going to be down emotionally after a tough game
against the Lions. It was physical, they lost. It was
closer than the score because they didn't execute in the
red zone. But I think I think a little bit
of wind is out of their sales not getting that
one seed. And I think the I think Sean McVay
has done a great job. I think the Rams win.

Speaker 12 (01:34:27):
I think the Rams win two. And are we seeing
Sam Darnell become Sam Darnald.

Speaker 7 (01:34:32):
I don't think so, Pete. I think that's just a
good It was a good football team, two good teams
on the road, and they said in executing the red
zone and he overthrew guys in the red.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Zone, that's fine.

Speaker 12 (01:34:41):
What if he doesn't play, if he doesn't play.

Speaker 7 (01:34:43):
Well this week, well then that's a different story.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
So now we're back to that. Okay, that's all. It takes.
One playoff game, one playoff games all take dude, it's
what have you done for me lately? In this league?
Especially paid, especially if you're a quarterback. Somebody will pay him, yeah,
I think so.

Speaker 12 (01:34:56):
Oh yeah, the Vikings will pay them.

Speaker 7 (01:34:59):
But here there's the difference. If he can go take
this team to the NFC title Game or let alone
or Super Bowl, he gets paid fifty. If he lose
Round one, he might only get paid thirty.

Speaker 8 (01:35:11):
He's going to get at least Baker Mayfield deal plus inflation,
so he's at least going to get thirty seven.

Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
Okay, but my point is if he goes to the
NFC Championship game or Super Bowl's getting fifty plus.

Speaker 12 (01:35:21):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
All right, this is our last show. We're not having
one next week.

Speaker 12 (01:35:26):
This is it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
And I don't know how many years we've been doing
this show, but it's been a pleasure to be back
with you guys again.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
We've done it a long time, gosh, a long time.

Speaker 8 (01:35:33):
And I mean we've been doing it so long that
when Tony first started, he used to criticize the team,
and now he's just the turn coke working for the team.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
My god, we've got full circle.

Speaker 7 (01:35:43):
Pete.

Speaker 12 (01:35:44):
We really have had to cut off the callers because
he was mad.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
That's right, lean he was mean, Pete. I love you,
always will even when you're wrong. Even when you're wrong, Pete,
which is often on this show.

Speaker 12 (01:35:57):
What happened to our show next week?

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
I thought we were doing They banged it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:00):
We're not doing. They said they don't want to hear
from us, enough of us.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Shut these guys down. That's what it is. Pete, what
do you got for the playoffs? He's in the studio.

Speaker 12 (01:36:11):
I'm in studio all the whole time. And then I'll
be at the super Bowl. You going to super Bowl, Tony.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
Yeah, I'll be down there during the week, Pete, I
got some stuff. I'm not gonna stay for the game.
I'm gonna get out of there, but I'll well, I'll
be there during the week. So we're going to dinner.

Speaker 12 (01:36:25):
Yeah, just promise if I call you a turncoat, you
don't hit me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Yeah, there could be a fight on the streets of Pete.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
First of all, you know I love you more than
I love you like a brother. I've never hit you.
And even when I know, even when you're a dummy
and say stupid things, it just puts a smile.

Speaker 12 (01:36:43):
I just want to know who got into your body today.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I don't know he walked it. Later, I'm like, who
is this guy?

Speaker 7 (01:36:50):
I don't know who it is. Pete. I'm the same
every day, every day.

Speaker 12 (01:36:55):
You're not something something happened.

Speaker 7 (01:36:58):
Nothing happened, Pete. Last show, last week's show, in this show,
no last week. I was evaluating what was in front
of us. I've said, Pete, is this not true, but
I not always said I will never hire or fire
anybody on the show. That's not my job and.

Speaker 12 (01:37:11):
Nobody's asking you to. But you you had a different
to JP didn't have a different tones.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
It was a a little different tone.

Speaker 12 (01:37:18):
Heat Turn is going to be on Twitter.

Speaker 7 (01:37:28):
That's better than sports coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Great year, guys, Pete Risco, Tony Vasselli. I'm JP Shatterick.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Thanks to our entire cruise, Joe Fortunado, David Joe, Brent Reaver,
all the social media people, all the behind the scenes
on digital and on radio. Thanks to you for listening
and contributing all year as well all our listeners out there.
This is Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mister Chubby's Wings

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