May 9, 2025 • 50 mins
J.P. Shadrick and Jeff Lageman are joined by special guest Austen Lane on the day the Jaguars' 2025 rookie class reports for minicamp. Austen and Jeff stroll down memory lane and share personal stories of their experiences as rookies. This and more on Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Dream Finders Homes.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It is Thursday, May eight.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is Jaguar's Happy Hour.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Jaguars Happy Hours presented by dream Finders' Homes. And now,
though White Smoke is dissipating, the new pontiff of Pro
Football is j P.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Shag.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I don't think so. I do not accept welcome in.
It's Jaguars Happy Hour. We've got a busy hour ahead
on this Thursday. Jeff Logoman is in. Austin Lane is
in with us today Wide Receiver Room Changers. They have
whacked Gabe Davis. We'll get to the aftermath of that
rookie mini camp eve. They'll be on the grass Friday
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and Saturday. All the kids will be here, including Travis Hunter,
who has a college degree in hand after going to
Boulder today to walk in the commencement ceremony there and
rookie experiences. Jeff and Austin will want to try to
dig into the wayback machine.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I don't know if that makes any sense.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We'll take a ride on the wayback machine to dig
into the history of rookie experiences with these two.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That makes more sense. Ten to Excel.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube and Jaguars Happy Hours presented
by Dreamfinders Homes, official homebuilder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jeff Logoman,
Austin Lane, Good afternoon, Hi.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Jeff, what's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I know, what's up. How we doing? I'm doing great, man,
Welcome back. Thanks for having me that. It's been a
few weeks. It's been a couple of weeks. But yeah,
back in fall effect. Yeah, we're back, baby.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's kind of the Wayback Machine. I like the name
of that, the way.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Screwed it up.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
But you no, no, no, I like that because for
you it's the really way back but easy, not that far.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
But it's all a state of mind. Yeah, it's all
a state of mind. Man. But Jav, I want to
ask you, because you mentioned, you know, getting whacked right
from when you get released, what is it? What is
like the official terminology when somebody gets like go from
her team, Because I've been I've been whacked before, like
I've had on Twitter it's aid Austinland whacked from the
Chicago Bears, like like I'm in the mafia. But then
also I've been terminated before, which I thought sounded kind
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of cool, Like what's the official Neither one of them
is cool. I don't well, I mean it's not cool,
but it sounds better than you know, getting cut or
getting released released is if you're a first off.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Let me just say this, your lack of sensitivity using
the term whacked is kind of I mean, come on,
I mean, football players are people.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You're eleven million guaranteed dollars. I think you'll be okay, Sure, sure,
I think so.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
The money makes it okay, I think it does. Money
has feelings too.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It has no feelings, zero feelings.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can be.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Released if you're a veteran with the amount of service
time could be immediately eligible to sign with another team.
If you're waved, you have not reached that threshold yet
and you go through the waiver process claim terminated, claimed off.
I don't know if that's a true. There's only the
two that was the organization for you. Who knows what
they're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You know when I was playing, Yeah, you might have
just terminated your contract and you said get out of here.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Sounds good. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, it's a kind of an interesting thing, you know.
I think everybody was thinking that Gabe was going to
kind of make it at least maybe another year, just
because of the guaranteed money that he had. But with
the post June one designation, that makes, you know, that
kind of a thing, a possibility of just basically stomaching
the money, bite it and eat it and then move on.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And with that designation they can split that dead cap
money over the next two years. It's five point three
billion this.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Year, fourteen and a half or so next year. You know,
the crazy thing. And Austin probably doesn't even remember this.
They used to actually have to wait until June one
to release a player, and then they are were like, finally,
everybody was like, why in the hell are we waiting
until June one to cut some guys. Let's just say, hey,
post June one designation to spread the hit out over
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the two years, to let the players catch on of course,
and go with the team. And finally somebody had some
common sense.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It is common. It was stupid.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Beforehand when you could cut a player and you had
to wait until so there's a lot of guys that
were like, you know, being kind of held away from
the team and saying we're told that, look, we're gonna
cut you June first, and the players twiddling his thumb hurt,
can't do anything yeah, you know, it's it's a bad situation.
So I'm glad the league kind of changed the I
guess you could say the rule book, so to speak,
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to designate a post June one cut.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know, when we talk about Gabe Davis, obviously you
know he went down the depth chart a little bit
when Travis Hunter was drafted. But I was a little
surprised because we have seen the good Gabe Davis when
he played in Buffalo, Like, we know what he's capable of.
I was a little surprised think him at least a
chance to kind of prove himself a little bit in training.
Can I wonder too, if.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The is the injury. I think is that you know,
look if if he was, if he were healthy, and
the team is like, okay, look he's healthy. Now he's
gonna work his way kind of and get back and
being right and improve upon last year. I think that
it would have been a possibility. But now you're just
trying to get back to the level where you were
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at and perform at from a health standpoint, so you're
not really working to improve so to speed.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, keep in mind too,
I mean his game is predicated off of speed, right,
It's that first step and everything. He's not necessarily a
possession receiver. This guy's more of a burner than anything.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's the one thing about Gabe I disagree. He's not
a burner. And if you would if you looked at
Gabe and you looked at his game, his forty time,
I think at best was like a four high four
five four six, something like that. But he had the
appearance that he was fast because he was crafty.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
He's always open, really crafty, did a really.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Good job of gaining separations, separation vertically and if you
look at his yards per catch, you first thought is
guy's got speed right, correct, But he really didn't have
timed fast speed. But he had a craftiness about him.
And you know, and I think there was some questions
about how well he fit in the locker room last year.
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And I get along with Gabe Gray, but I think
that there were some questions about that. And then you
add the injury on top of that, and then you're
moving forward with a new regime, you've got a new room.
I think sometimes teams have a tendency say, hey, look,
let's just let everybody get a fresh start.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Ten games away, twenty catches, two hundred and thirty nine yards,
two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's not a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Where does this rank in like all time free agent
disappointments in JAG's history, There's been some, There's been something
in Austin. You got one in mind or or do
you want.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To go there?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
There's there's been There's been one that's been worse.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm trying to remember Laura Robinson, Laarn Robinson. Maybe no,
it's not it similar. I think maybe in the Trent
Balky era that that might have been the worst one
in terms of free agent signing is Gabe Davis. I'm
trying to think of another one that Douglas.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
We paid a guy I'm trying to remember. We paid
a guy like a ton of guaranteed money nobody else
really wanted on me. Came here and he stopped ago.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, I think a lot of people say Aaron
Ross from uh but I think we had to watch
the Olympics on the big screen. His wife. But listen,
I love Aeron to death, man like that was one
of my dudes. But I remember that the exit quote
was he was just on vacation in Jacksonville and that
rubbed rightfully.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So somebody I'll think of it here in a little bit.
I'll have to maybe go back and look. But the
great thing about Aaron Ross was is that I remember
doing televisihows we'd have his wife, yeah, benefit and all that.
We got to talk a little Olympics, you know, and
and she was fantastic. She was a fantastic lady. Great interview.
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I think that was when it was not even the
new boards yet. This was like the old board. Yeah,
that's right, to watch it, that's all. That's exactly right.
My gosh, but god, I'm trying to remember the name
of the wide receiver that we paid and it was
just like the worst. It was one of the worst
free agent signings in Jaguars history. And this is an
oldbody that remembers.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
This is an older guy.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
He was an older guy that came here and did nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
We'll have to get back to this.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
We paid him up and paid him up a bunch
of years.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
To what happens in free agency. You paid big money
for a reason. It was big money for them.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
But I mean, you know nowadays, I mean everything, just everything, Dwarves,
you know what happened, you know, ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
We're attention Excel Jaguars at Common Jaguars YouTube. It's Jaguars
Happy Hour. So with Gabe Davis now gone, let's take
a closer look at this wide receiver room. Brian Thomas Jr.
You might have heard of him. Yeah, he's pretty good, decent.
Jommy Brown brought in free agency. We'll see he's got
a lot to prove he does. Travis Hunter hasn't put
on a helmet yet, he'll do that tomorrow. And Parker Washington.
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There's those are the top four.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I'd say there's a longer list, certainly, but that's the
room right now.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, what do you think of this? So? I think
it's a very intriguing room for this main reason. I
think when you look at wide receiver rooms usually let's
take Tampa Bay for example. You see a guy like
Mike Evans. You know where Mike Evans is gonna play.
He's gonna be on the outside, he's gonna be getting
the jump balls, go through the goal routes like you know,
he's a he's a big play receiver. A guy like
Chris Godwin, Okay, more in the slot using his speed,
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getting open, using his route running ability. When I see
guys like Brian Thomas Junior how he was utilized last year.
When I see guys like Travis Hunter, who and Jeff
talking about this many times. He's so fluid in his
route running. You can set these guys up in a
lot of spots, Like Brian Thomas Junior can play the slot,
Travis Hunter can play the slot. So when you have
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those guys being interchangeable, that makes it hell on the defense.
So that's what I'm excited about, is where exactly are
they gonna line up and what are these packages going
to look like.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Let's get what we kept hearing in the last regime
with that group too. It didn't quite work out like
that with all the injuries though. Longs to that last group, well,
I mean, and those happen, but typically you can avoid
those injury conversations if you stay a little bit younger.
When you start to go a little bit older, then
all of a sudden, some of those things start to
creep up.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You don't get healthier when you get older.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Now, it's just part of the deal, right, you know.
I mean, it's a tough enough job as it is
when you're young, but then you get a little bit older.
You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But father times undefeated, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And the one thing that I appreciate greatly about the
new regime, and because I'm a huge fan of the draft,
when I say a huge fan, that that's where you
got to build your franchise from, I mean, that's where
the lifeblood of every franchise. And I've used that quote
many times through the years. The lifeblood of a franchise
is fulfilled through the draft. And if you don't do
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it through the draft, then you're not very good, and
then you have to continue to dabble into free agency
to spend money to make up for your short cut
means of not drafting very well. And from the moment
that this new regime took over, the idea was we're
going to build through the draft. And look, they participated
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in free agency, but the guaranteed money of almost the
entire free agent class equaled I think the guaranteed money
of two free agents from last year alone. Yeah, I
mean it was ridiculous the amount of money that they
paid last year.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And it felt like the previous regime was kind of
on that same idea track a draft and supplement free
agency until last year. No, they kind of jumped off
the deep end and free agency.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, wait a minute, I.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Think that they look they were they were free agent
players from the very get go, and then they continued
to be free agent players because they weren't drafting well enough,
you know. And then at something they reached a certain
point where they were like, well, we got it on
board better, you know, which means we need to train
them bent, you know, which I couldn't believe was said
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last year at this time because it's basically point the
finger at the coaching staff, basically saying, boy, you really
did a terrible job of assimilating the rookie class into
the football team last year.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
And then and then the head coach kind of I
fuild the same comments, and I'm going, wait a minute,
at some point, it's not about the onboarding process. Maybe
it's about the selection process of getting the right player
in okay, and not focusing on oh traits, And maybe
let's focus in on a little bit of productivity, correct, Okay,
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or maybe both.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
We're gonna come back in a little bit and we're
gonna get into your both of your onboarding processes.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
When you guys were playing how about that. I mean
I probably have to tailored for the show a little
bit because I probably wouldn't tell Yeah, yeah, I can
do different time. Yeah for sure to excel.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
You got the name?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
What you got?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Jerry Porter? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, it's been a minute.
That has been a minute. I had to do the
old research now Google. I think I kept looking and
so he was, he was signed.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Exactly what year it was, but I'll find out all
the details.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That's what he was making back then.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
And here's what qualifies him as the worst JP. We
gotta go money and quality of the guy.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, okay, okay, we were on ten to NXXL, Jaguars
dot Com, Jaguars YouTube's really conclusion of that when we
come back. Also, Travis Hunter graduating today, but what to
expect from him this weekend at Rookie Mini Camp. That's
next on Jaguars Happy Hour. Welcome back at Jaguars Happy
Hour on this Thursday, and Jaguars Football is presented by
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Fresh from Florida. It's Always in Season, JP, Shadrick, Jeff
Blog and Austin.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Lane in with us Today.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
We're at the Houndai studios of the Miller Electric Center
of Beehive of activity this week.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Phase two of the offseason programs. Here. The rookies are
arriving today.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
They'll be on the field tomorrow and Saturday for rookie
Mini camp, and here we are.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Don't forget about the excavators.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh yeah, the construction outside and all that going on.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I'm talking. I mean, I don't know how exactly how
many excavators are out there, but man, they're digging some
some hole digging around the state too, doing the uh
this part of the off season, they're actually doing some
construction on the anchors for the roof structure that the
new stadium will have.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
How about that?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I think that's the main focal point, or one
of the main focal points of what's happening with the
stadium build at this point. I mean, Jeff, are you
are you up there like helping them build?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
How do you know about stuff? Man? Some of the
connections there were in the hard hatt.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Thank you Chad Johnson for kind of giving me the
rundown and we'll come back, is what's going to be happening.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Cool. Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
They're also working on the rookies this weekend, and we
mentioned the rookies are in today physicals meetings today, but
Travis Hunter not one of those. He'll be here probably
late tonight because he walked to the commencement ceremony at
the University of Colorado today and Kudos is a video
out on his social media with him and some of
his friends and teammates all graduating together and uh anthropology
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degree logs from Colorado. And so he'll be here and
should be on the field tomorrow and Saturday certainly when
it's open to the public and we'll get a chance
to see Travis Hunter. I got two questions for we're
going to go this way with it. What do you
want to see from him this weekend? What do you
really need to see from him this weekend? There's two
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different things.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'll start with number one, staying healthy, and that goes
for all the rookies because the rookie mini camp is
not really and I'm not trying to minimize it, but
it's not that important in the grand scheme of things.
This is what you want what you need to see?
Stay healthy? Yes, what do you want to see? It's
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as both to me, you know, keep everybody healthy, and
you're just trying to indoctrinate these rookies into the program
so that when they get onto the field with the veterans,
they're not so lost. You know. They kind of got
an idea of where to go, how to go, and
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what to go, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, those parts, where's lunch room all? So when
it's for me, obviously injuries stay healthy number one, But
also like, obviously this guy's be playing wide receiver and cornerback, right.
I think at wide receiver he's gonna be just fine. Like,
if you're a rookie wide receiver taken in the top five,
top ten, you're probably gonna have a pretty good rookie year, right.
I think the coming from college to the pro game,
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it can translate pretty well, and he's got the skill
set to have a successful rookie year as a wide receiver.
I think it's one of the hardest positions to come
from college to the pros and playing cornerback. The speed's different,
the route running is different. You gotta be crisp. I'm
really curious to see just him playing a little defense
of how you tack up against these wide receivers. Now
he won't be going against Brian Thomas Junior and and
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other receivers like that, But like, I just kind of
want to reaffirm just you know, what he looks like
out of his stands, what he looks like when he's backpedaling,
and whether it's zone coverage or men, how he can
hold up.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I got a feeling that, And you know, you don't
want to have too much of this, but everybody's gonna
be focusing in on how many snaps has he taken
on defense? How many snaps has he taken on offense?
And had a conversation with a general manager it was
after the drafting JP. I don't know if you happened
to see this or not, but I was asking James
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that how important is it to make sure that you
just don't have the conversation about Travis always a bee,
about what's.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
He gonna do, what's he gonna do, what's he gonna do?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Because at some point you've just got to move past
that and just allow the athlete to play ball and
to stop answering questions himself. His teammates do not have
to answer those questions in themselves as well, because you
don't want to make it kind of a circus show
about what's he gonna do, how's he gonna do it,
what's the ratio gonna be?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
How many snaps is it gonna be?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You just want it to be kind of and I
know that it's still new and unique and eventually that
will kind of subside, but you just don't want to
give it any extra attention that you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, and I'm gonna say this too, Jeff, like, you know,
we'll see what the ratio is. Obviously it's gonna be
a lot more on offense. But I hope that maybe
we won't be privileged to it as the media, but
I hope the coaches in there know exec what the
plan is gonna be, because the last thing I want
to see is like, you know, maybe Campanelli, it's it's
fourth quarter of the game, games on the line, and
he's like, hey, can we get Travis Hunter back in
there please because we need him, and then you know,
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if it's the Cordinator's going no, we want them over.
You know, like I don't want to go through that miscommunication.
So I hope there's gonna be a clear set of
rules or a clear set of ratio where it's like
he can play this many on defense and this many
on an offense, and then as the season goes, you
can change it around. But I think I don't want
to see the cordinator's clashing because that could happen.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And they said it's a fluid situation too, They're not
stuck right now on it. See how the offseason goes,
build it up and see what he can handle, and
then adjust even if the season calls for it too.
It could be depending on the opponent that week right
could be.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
But I mean, I like the approach that, look, let's uh,
let's get him on offense, learn the finer details of
playing offense, plane wide receiver, you know, because the reality
is is that I'm not trying to say that defensive
players have it easy, but reality is is that playing
defense is not exactly rocket science compared to offense. Trying
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to say, I'm just trying to say that's a little
bit easier in terms of the playbooks. Ours was always
a little thinner, exactly. It's a little bit a little
bit thinner. It's not quite as many adjustments on every
single play, even though you have adjustments on defense. But
playing defense is a little bit more of athleticism there's
still great technique and everything, but timing is a huge thing.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
On offense.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You're not trying to get your timing down with the
safety or the other corners for the moment want to
be on the same page, but it's a little different.
You know, you want to you want to work more
with your quarterback, and working more with the safety is
not as important in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think on offense you have to
be a lot more cerebral, and I think that's reflected
to also in offensive coaches. Offensive coaches seem to be
a little more calm, cool and collected. If you get
defensive corner out there, like, they're probably gonna be shouting
at you, right, because defense, I think is based more
off emotion and just seaball get ball. Offense, it's a
lot more okay, well this is the play, this is
the motion. What does the defense give you, Jack?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I think Austin just literally took the offensive coaches and
put them in a box, and the defensive coaches and put.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Them in a Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I heard that. That's the perfect stereotype offensive guys a
little more cool headed, cool collected.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
And it's funny that you bring that up because if
you sit there and you think about some of the
great coaches in history. I mean, I'm talking some of
the great ones. What boys are you putting them in
Austin's box?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Listen? I had Amy Reid as a coach in Kansas
City and like the calm, cool, collected way way off
the side there for Andy Ree. And then I had
Jim Schwartz. It was a defensive guy, but.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Kind of hothead. Threw a punch of Kevin gobright, you know,
defensive coach. It's a little different.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I mean, look at Aaron Glenn right now in New York,
right like he's kind of changing that whole by Aaron
Rodgers and everything.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Right, I love that Jaguars Happy Hour into that. I
sell Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. All right, let's
let's get into the first thing.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Did you guys ever do wages real quick? Incredibly proud
that Travis Hunter walked, of course, which is you know,
which is amazing because there's a lot of guys that
come into the NFL that number one are not as
smart as Travis. He's incredibly smart, incredibly dedicated to be
able to get his degree on time and to be
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able to take that walk, I mean, and that's so
important for all the young athletes that are.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Out there that may be listening.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
That's that's something that I mean, I hold when I
when I sit there and I think of Travis Hunter
and the quality of guy. When you talk about intangibly rich,
that right there is an example of a guy being
intangibly rich.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Absolutely, So I just wanted to point that out. Love it.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Do you guys remember your first rookie or your rookie
minnie camp? We didn't have rookie yes, so it was
with the team. Yeah, typically you had, you know for
a long time JP. It was the mandatory mini camp
for the team. Happened right after the draft, soon after
the draft.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And so that was my like my first experience and
I'll never forget, you know. I go to New York
and I didn't know where in the hell I was
going driving, which is not a good place to learn
where to go the first time going to New York, right,
So trying to get there was kind of an adventure.
I got there and then when I walked into the
locker room and I was like, jeese, these guys are
like grown men. And they're older and like some of
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them are old enough.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
To be my dad.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I was twenty one. Yeah right, yeah, I was twenty
one years old. You and I walk into the locker room.
It's got Pat Pat Lahy or Kicker. I think he
was forty. Dan Alexander, our guard from LSU and all
he deals go. It's not only the word two words
he would say to a rookie, you know. And he
was like in year thirteen, you.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Know, and these guys are grown men.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, opening yeah, it's different. So and it ain't like
being in a college locker room anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, yours was similar, though mine was definitely similar.
It was funny because our welcome to Jacksonville wasn't what
I anticipated it to be. So we were staying at
the Extended Stay kind of off the south side and everything,
and it was me Tyson A, Lulu, DAIJ, Kareem Scotti McGee,
and d Anthony Smith. And this is back when like
we didn't have like uber really right, So you have
to use a taxi cab, so we call it taxi.
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We want to go like by the Saint John's Town
Center and just kind of check everything out, right, taxi
gab guy comes to pick us up. It's a van.
We all fit in. I'm sitting shotgun guys are behind
me and like, keep in mind, I'm a big dude
at the time, Anthony Smith is a pretty big dude.
Tyson's big dude. But the guy didn't make the connection
of the Louisiana Tech that's what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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think he's a third round pick, defensive tack, defensive tax.
So we were all Senior Bowl team teammate. It's Tyson,
d Anthony and myself while play in the North team
in the Senior Bowl. So anyway, so we're getting in
the cab and we're like, all right, this is Jacksonville's
cool and the text driver goes, hey, you guys follow football,
and I'm like, yeah, a little bit, a little bit,
And keep in mind this was the Tim Tebow year
and a lot of Jaguars fans wanted Tim Tebow to
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come to Jacksonville. So we looked to this text guy.
He goes, I'll tell you what I should have got
Tim Tebow this and he goes, we get this, stupid Tyson.
I came and pronounced this last night. And he's sitting
in the back seat. And the best part is because
you know me, man, I'm kind of I'm a little
bit of smart ass, right, so I'm instigating. I go, yeah,
I heard Tyson a whole kind of sucks. What's what?
(24:53):
And Tyson if you know, you know, you know, Tyson
is the quietest, most assaulted other dude ever. So Tyson's
just and back there just taking it from this guy,
not saying anything, just kind of have a smirks on
his face. And this guy's like, I can't believe we
got Tyson. Aluila, what a waste of a pick. So
that was our well, that was literally our first night
in Jacksonville, like for rookies, and that was our welcome
to Jacksonville moment.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
By the way, By the way, the first time in Austin,
probably you probably thought the same thing the first time
I ever laid eyes on Tyson Ala Walla, I went,
my god, this guy's big boned. Yes, I'm talking knees
like this, calves like this for people on radio, I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Making calves toasters.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's ridiculous, like like I'm talking twelve by twelve posts.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, like even if it wasn't working out football, he's
just gonna be that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Big broadcast, big dude man and an edge that could used.
He's used a lot by scouts. His heavy hands, Tyson
Aluila was the definition of heavy handed. Like the his
his punch, his pop, it was just different.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Man.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
He was kind of wild criticized he was for the
Jaguars taking him at that spot. But I can tell
you this, Tyson Aliwalu had a fantastic career. Correct it
was a damn good football player, and when you look
at it in hindsight, I don't think there's any doubt
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that Tyson's career was worth where he was picked.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I mean he played up until what I think two
years ago.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yittsburgh exactly and Detroit, which was a perfect fit of
course for Tyson to go to Pittsburgh for that body
type and the type of player that he was.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You almost wish that he had played in that Pittsburgh
Steelers three four style of doingfense the.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Beginning exactly, cause I think with Tyson here and Jacksonville,
people got so infatuated with like the quarterback sack numbers
and things like that, but like what people didn't see
was his ability take on double teams, his his ability
to cause chaos in the backfield because that doesn't pop
up on the box score, right, it's all about quarterback,
you know, sacks and tackles for loss. But when you
followed him to Pittsburgh and you see what he's able
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to do there, I mean, they had one of the
best defenses in the league and it's stemmed from him
playing that Nos technique and just causing chaos taking on
double teams.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Imagine had he not hurt his knee in the Oklahoma
drill the first day.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Which was I mean, gets off the plane because what
do we do?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
What are we doing Oklahoma drill in the first day
before I worked here right the plane and literally signs
his contract and coach del Rio goes, all right, Oklahoma,
Joe for Tyson, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Trying to remember most people be may rest in peace.
Benny was the one guy he did not want to
go against Oklahoma, which, by the way, to the NFL's yeah,
that'll wake you up.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You'll talk about epic matchup though, oh yeah, yeah, know, yeah,
I mean Vince.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Tyson, that was the main car.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I totally understand del Rio's kind of thought process there
is that you know, let's set the tempo sure with
two guys that are I mean, I'm talking type a
cut from a difficult dude to get after it to
set the tempo for camp, and I get it. But
at the same token, I was just I remember going.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I think it's a little to do this.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And then when Tyson hurt his knee, I was.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like, ah, yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Was worse Tyson ala Waalu pertinently in the first contact
drill in camp, or the first round pick out of
Florida outside Jonte Fowler in rookie camp, totally getting fatigued
because they were trying to wear them out. In this
rookie mini camp there was eleven on eleven stuff too
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going on and he and I was sitting there watching
him and I'm going, he's fatigued. I think he's ready
for all this, locked by some try out right tackle
while he was a land and it was just I
thought it was like a fatigue injury sure, And I'm
just going, he's not or not?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean they're trying to stress the rookies to let
them know when you come back, you gotta be ready.
And then shag and I'm you know so, And then
after that everybody's like, wait a minute, maybe we ought
to have this acclamation period to allow players to work
their way into it.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Absolutely, we'll come back in a moment. The Jaguars have
nine traft picks. They'll also have what twenty two undrafted players.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Some something got good money.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The question will be would you rather be a seventh
round pick or an undrafted free agent?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We'll get to that when we come back. This is
Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
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Speaker 2 (29:56):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's Jaguars Happy Hour from the Honday Studios, Miller Electric Center,
JP Shadwick, Jeff Blogham in Austin Lane with us today
on ten ten XLAM, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
We're in the.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Break talking more about rookie memories, if you will, or
infamous moments that might have happened in Jaguars rookie history.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But we left out the rookie dinner stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I mean that, yeah, you know that might be later
in the summer spring, if they even do much of
that anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Who knows with some of the rules these days.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
But you know, the question going to break was speaking
of money, right, would you rather be a seventh round
draft pick of the Jaguars with slotted money, nothing guaranteed,
or an undrafted free agent where you have teams maybe
competing for your services and offering different signing bonuses.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
I think it's a great question because you know, there's
it's kind of twofold. If you're an undrafted guy, you
can kind of pick your place of where you're gonna
go to help give you the best opportunity of having
a job once September rolls around. If you're drafted by
a team that's stacked at your position, it's not helping
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you out a whole lot. So and then a lot
of times, if you're highly solid after undrafted guy, you're
guaranteed money is better than any other guys that got
drafted in the seventh round.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
But then again, if you get drafted, you can always
say I got drafted in the.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Right said yeah, yeah, I mean if it's me, like
there's something you said, yes, I'm an NFL draft pick,
something that goes into that. But at the same time,
do I want to be a draft pick or do
I want to have longevity? And I think when we
talk about longevity, if you can kind of pick and
choose where you want to go based off of depth,
based off of what the situation is, you probably a
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better shot of making said team. So I would almost
lean towards me, an undrafted guy, maybe having a little
bit of a bidding war for me getting some of
that guaranteed money that hopefully making the team to start
the season off.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, And it's kind of interesting too from a contract standpoint.
You know, seventh round pick is getting a contract that's
around four years. That's around about four million dollars, which
is essentially that's the minimum salaries of the NFL combined
over the course of four years. And I was telling
you guys during the break, it's been some inflation.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's a litle bit different, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
So back in nineteen eighty nine, okay, in the way
back machine. Here we go. Okay, we're going back in
the way back machine. My first contract as the fourteenth
overall pick in the draft was four years, two point
one million dollars, big money. So guys today are making
more at minimum in four years than I was making
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it as a first round pick. Now, compare that to
the first overall pick of the draft was expected to
for a contract that's probably in the range of like
forty three to forty four million. That's significantly different. So
would you rather be drafted I'd rather be drafted in
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the first round nowadays? It's okay, right, then in the
first round back in you know, nineteen eighty nine, sure,
and definitely would rather be drafted in the first round
than be an undrafted guy and pick your perfect spot.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, how about you.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Know what's also helped later round draft picks undrafted guys
is the expansion of the practice squad too. It's not
I mean comparatively to a contract, it's not that kind
of money. However, if you have two years or fewer,
you're getting paid thirteen thousand dollars a week if you're
in the practice squad, at least you're around. If you've
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done the right things in camp. They like you enough.
You can be around and maybe you get pulled up.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You don't know how the games go later in the year,
so to be around that says something if you can manage.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
What you're doing in training.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, when the practice squads first came out, the pay
wasn't even anywhere close to what it is now. It
was like four grand a week or something like that.
Three grand a week, you know, and I remember room
and board, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm talking. Guys were
like leaving the cafeteria with the go boxes. Didn't have
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to buy food.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Once they left the facility.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
But I mean, I think paragraph five salary back when
you know, when I first started, I mean, the minimums
were like like one hundred eighty ninety grand.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's significantly different obviously nowadays, and it should be. I mean,
the growth of the NFL has been just just amazing
over the last thirty forty years. Incredible.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You have some vets that can be on there too now.
So their minimum weekly salary this year seventeen to five
with a maximum of twenty two. So yeah, you're on
there for a few weeks and then something happens an injury,
and it's just given kind opportunities stick around.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
For practice a season long. You're not starving pretty good money. Yeah,
I wish I was around when I was playing. So
a little bit of a practice squad, you know, you're
going on the practice squad, a little bit in the
extra money here and there, veteran zero.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And the one thing that I do like too is
that you know, when the practice squad was first, the
whole idea was conceived, contrived, whatever you want to call it.
It was all about the young guys. So now you
can be a veteran guy and be on the practice squad,
which you know, look, you get activated off of the
practice squad, then seventeen to five all of a sudden
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turns into significantly more because of your per week pay
is based off of about a million, which is the
minimum for you know, best veteran that's been in the
league for a number of years. So it's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So let's come back in a moment and we'll get
our final thoughts with rookie mini caamp coming.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Up the next two days. Big yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I think allowed to wear helmets during the Rocky minicamp.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think they are the helmets are okay, shelves or not.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's acclimatum. Okay, We're acclimated. We're achamening.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Okay, we're doing okay, and we're backing them home and
it's Jaguars Happy Hour. We're back at Jaguars Happy Hour,
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We're on ten ten x l a M Jaguars dot
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Speaker 2 (36:31):
J P.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Shadwick, Jeff Logman and our lovely wonderful special.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Guest Austin Lane and they studio with us. Great to
see you, Great to be back. Then, sprise. You haven't
got a seasoned assist yet from Brett Martin. Oh, but
I appreciate you having me back. Man. How's the show
going over there? Show's going on, Yeah, show's going good.
We're starting to get to more of like the creative
time than sports radio now because you know, football is
starting to be able to well, we got the training
camp coming up this but like the dead dead zone
(36:59):
a little bit. Just do me this favor ye as
a talk show host, I guess that's what. Yeah, don't
do the mount rushmore discussion on anything. We're gonna hate that.
We hope power rankings today so it's all good. Yeah,
Mount Rushmore, what is this amateur or what do we
do with power rankings? That was big and timely. Yeah yeah,
(37:20):
actually yeah, Jeff uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You guys so so wanted to get back to this
the rookie contract thing because we were having that conversation
would you rather be drafted or would you rather end
up being a rookie undrafted free agent financially?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Like what's the better?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
So I was looking and the Jaguars have one of
the one of the top guys in the league, Danny
Strigau from University of Minnesota's defensive end. Watch the film
on the power guy set to the Edge. Good got
a ways to go as a pass rusher, but he
got the twelfth most money guaranteed need money out of
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any undrafted rookie free agent in the league in the league,
and that was two hundred and this is a two
hundred and fifty four thousand dollars. The guy at the top,
Ben Chuck Wooma from the Buccaneers. I don't know what
position I'm assuming maybe defensive end. Maybe you can find
that JP Chuck Chuck Chukwuma three hundred grand. That was
(38:24):
the highest amount of any undrafted free agent offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Okay, now is there a cap? Like? How does that
work for undrafted?
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I think there is a cab for all of that
pool and I don't know exactly how they configure that,
but they do have a pool for that. The Jaguars
also had an offensive lineman from Penn State Wormley. They
paid him over one hundred thousand dollars, which obviously is
a position of need for the Jaguars. And but yeah,
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I mean that's I mean to be a highly desirable
undrafted guy. I mean, Austin, what were you fIF How
was a fifth round pick? And my like my signing
bonus when I signed, it was like one fifty four.
So I mean, these guys right here surpassed and here's
a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'll never forget it because they actually caught me at
check and I lost in the airport and I went
back to Wisconsin. So I had to go back and
get my check from the airport. Oh you found it,
though I thought it was this between the seats were good.
It's good. An actual pay. Probably i'd probably get a
direct depositive next time. You know what I'm saying. But
I had a payper check and then I had to
go back. I never forget when.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
When I went to New York and I got my
signing modist. Yeah, and god rest is soul. Billy Hampton Junior,
Okay was the assistant equipment manager. The head guy was
Bill Hampton Senior, legendary from even going back to the
Joe Namath days. He'd been there. And it was a
family affair. So you had Bill Hampton Senior was the
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head equipment guy. Bill Hampton Junior was the assistant guy.
And then you had the family work in the entire
clubhouse as well. Clay was the assistant equipment manager, the
assistant and then Derek was like an equipment intern, the
whole family. And then on the weekends they had a
couple brothers, I think Brian that worked the visiting locker rooms. Anyway,
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so my signing bonus check, you know, go there and
sign my contract, go into training camp, and I was
hold out because they wouldn't give me a fair market deal.
Get my signing bonus. We agree, and all of a
sudden here comes Bill Hampton Junior and he's pushing. Remember
the shoulder pads cart of course, So for people that
don't know, there's these kind of trolleys that they put
(40:32):
the equipment bags on for all the players and in
those bags helmets, shoulder pads, all the equipment of player
needs to play a game. And so these big trolley
things and he's Billy's pushing and he's like, oh and
there's nothing on it but one envelope.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Pushing it in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
So he's acting like he's pushing. Okay, the Rock of
God comes in an equipment room and then it goes
to my locker and.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm going, what the hell was going on?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
You know, lockman, here's your signing motus checks.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, yeah, Jeff, was the first thing that you bought
because everyone's got a vehicle, which you get nineteen eighty
nine Ford Bronco eighty hour edish. There you go.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I had to have, said a wheel as I had
to get for me vacation.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
It was yours.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
My first thing I bought was a new pair of vans,
and then I got a cannons.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
By the way, for people that don't know her shoes shoes,
yeah yeah, yeah, not literally an a van he didn't
buy a pair of vehicles.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
No, And then I bought a Cadillac ext truck with
twenty six inch rims. It was all black, it was
black on black. And then went through a drive through.
And then literally the first day I had the rims,
went through a drive through scrape the rims up. Had
to get some new rims. So that lasted a lasted
twenty four hours with those rims.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah, I didn't have any fancy rims all night.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I got fair stock. This smart way to do it,
stock stock rims. Yeah, what what what you're lacking for?
Like the exterior, Yeah, in the interior with Eddie Bauer editions,
comfortable sitting right.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I did put a sound system in it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
There you go, Yeah, there you go. I like my
music still like a little bit.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah. Nowadays I just put you know, nowadays you can
just get one of those blue tooth speakers and put
in there. That's all you need. But back then, you know,
I had the bazooka two, you know, you know, the
whole whole nine yards, you know, it was like a
bazooka two was probably about a I don't know about
a six seven inch bazooka tube, right, behind the rear seat,
the very back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I bet you had some sweet cassettes in your car.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Actually, uh, I think I had a CDs. I had
a ten of cartridge CD player in the consoles convenient. Yes,
some people like the trunk right, Yeah, it was. It
was a Sony ten disc cartridge CD player. And the
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great thing is is that I had a home stereo
system that that car would fit. The same hole system
that interchangeable, so I could take my cartridges out and
then interchange.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It, you know, from A to B A.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
But that pretty sweet.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
And it was nice too. It was a dark blue
and tan. Of course, all the Eddie Bowers pretty much
were all teen. It was like the trim package and
then the inside had kind of that tan inside. Yeah,
And it was a total dog. The engine was junk.
They underpowered those for years. By the way, it sounds
(43:33):
like you're not over it, you know. I was very
disappointed of the power of that thing. And then finally
I got Chevy Tahoe when I came to Jacksonville in
ninety five, and that.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Was a great vehicle. That was a great one.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Still are Rookie Minni caamp This weekend on the field
Friday and Saturday, we talked a lot about Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
How about some of the other eight draft picks. Who
are you excited to see?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
If you're not gonna be here here about watch highlights
of Travis Hunter is the star attraction, but there are
a lot of guys that can contribute in the draft
class year coming up.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I'm gonna name is Caleb Ransaw just because when he
was drafted I kind of had some skeptical eyes a
little bit of what was the plan gonna be at cornerback?
But by my indications, he's gonna be playing safety. Sky's
extremely fast, He's gonna bring an interesting dynamic in terms
of coming downhill and laying the lumber, if you will.
So I'm very curious to see what's he gonna look
like playing safety a little bit obviously the pads won't
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be once you can't get the full effect, but just
does he look comfortable playing maybe a new spot flogs.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Well, it's kind of hard for me to do this, okay,
because I'm gonna pick a guy from my alma Maters
Nemesis rival Virginia Tech, which, which by the way, I
did take an official visit to Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
He went to Blacksburg.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I did, which was pretty cool because I got to
meet Bruce Smith when he was still at Virginia Attack.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's how long ago this was.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
It was and was expected to be the number one
overall draft pick, which he was eventually, but the running
back out of Virginia Tech ba shul touting. I mean
to me, I want to see tooting because the speed
that he has is real, and when you're talking about
having a mini camp, which is essentially an underwear I
just want to feel his speed because the big guys
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in the physicality you're not going to feel in a
rookie mini camp. But I want to feel his speed
because watching him on film, you can see it and
you can believe it, but I want to see it
in person and feel it in person.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Jacks drafted two offensive linemen, but in this setting, it's
probably gonna be tough to see much until training camp.
Really preseason games is when you're gonna see.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Yeah, But that's kind of my point, you know, and
it's the It's not the underwear Olympics because that's the combine,
but you know, it's still kind of the underwear camp.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Duckwalking going to see for you know what I mean,
it's it's it's crucial, you know, but like not that
entertaining to that to the untrained EyeT, but.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
But I'm looking forward to seeing those two guys just
how they look physically, right, you know, because walk off
the bus, let's see what they Yeah, that's the whole thing.
To want to see what they look like when they
come off the bus. I totally want to see that,
you know. And the guy from from Southern cal I
think he's got a chance to develop and get bigger
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and stronger and grow up even more and then have
a chance at being a legitimate starting caliber center. And
the kid mile Us out of West Virginia, by god, I.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Had to throw that in there.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Because that was kind of a running joke at University
of Virginia and West Virginia. We used to have a
kind of a game every year with those guys, and
they had an offensive line the way back when that
was along the lines of his name was Wosnyack, and
Virginia had Jim Dombrowski. West Virginia had Wosneak. And both
of them are going to be these first round picks,
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which they eventually were. And so I want to see
this Miless guy because I mean, looking at him on film,
he's a big dude. Big dude played left tackle last year.
I don't I want to see where they're gonna line
him up. Yeah, you know, not not so much to
see them physically in a practice, but I want to
see where they line him up in practice.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Saturday open to the public, but you got a register
Jaguars dot com. There is a banner at the top
of the main page that'll take you where you need
to go to sign up for free tickets, and that
should be a packed house.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Did you sign up?
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I did? Okay, I'll be there. Did you you're going,
I'm I'm going.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Tomorrow is not open to correct That's what I didn't
ask you about tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
That's about Saturday. You got a show to do in
the morning and then Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Yeah, I'll come right from the outdoor show right to
the practice. The practice is like one. No, I know,
I know that, but little time. I'm twitter my thumbs
for a couple hours. But I'll come here and hang.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Probably I'll come here and hang out with you. That's
just what I want. My breakfast.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
You're gonna have a great You probably gonn have a
sub you'll stop with the way that's what you do,
that's normally on the way home.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
JP. Any chance that we can talk them into getting
like a bus, actually pull on the field so we
can actually see them getting off the bus, because that's
that's a big thing, right you want to see it's
an intimidation fact exactly. So let's pull that bus on
the practice field. That's let him get off it. Let's
see what we got to work with, like that top
of the hill, let him run down the hill. Yeah yeah, yeah,
But I like the off the bus thing. I think
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we can sell that. It's a sponship opportunity right there.
You got the money off. It's going to be mad
now I'm making money over here and not the other
show now.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Can come any time you want announced each one, you know,
coming off the bus and Travis gosh, she comes off
to dancing, you know, like you did?
Speaker 2 (48:44):
You know, can you dance like that? J? I can dance,
but not like that. Do you think Travis Hunter is
going to have some sort of like when it's the
first day of like regular training camp, will he show
up in some crazy way? Because I feel like he's
but I feel like we're talking about those Twitter numbers
up a little bit, or the stream numbers there.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I don't I don't see him. I think he's more
of a organic generate, the numbers kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Does he have to Brinks truck or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
He's not going to be the Jalen Ramsey coming with.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
The Maybe if he's a little more established, maybe he
brings the boat to the new marina or something else.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
He actually was trying. I actually tried and inquired about
that back in the day. Could I bring the boat
to come to work and park over there and then
walk across the parking.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
They no, why there was no.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
They didn't have any marina over there at the years,
you know, because the only thing that was there I
think was the Jacksonville Fire and Rescue dogs that back
then there was. They didn't have anything built over there.
But I was trying, like, heck, find a way to
take my boat from my house down at my old
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place and then take it down town across a lot
to go to work.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
We'll see you Austin in what two weeks you'll see
when I see it? Yeah, yeah, I think two weeks
if you're coming Saturday or no. Sun's Son's got a
play a little championship.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
He let's go flyers. We'll see you two weeks. That's
Austin Lane Logs.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
We'll see you when I see You'll see you in
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Okay, that's Jeff Logerman. I'm J. P.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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It's Jaguars Happy Hour. We've got a busy hour ahead
on this Thursday. Jeff Logoman is in. Austin Lane is
in with us today Wide Receiver Room Changers. They have
whacked Gabe Davis. We'll get to the aftermath of that
rookie mini camp eve. They'll be on the grass Friday
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and Saturday. All the kids will be here, including Travis Hunter,
who has a college degree in hand after going to
Boulder today to walk in the commencement ceremony there and
rookie experiences. Jeff and Austin will want to try to
dig into the wayback machine.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I don't know if that makes any sense.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We'll take a ride on the wayback machine to dig
into the history of rookie experiences with these two.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That makes more sense. Ten to Excel.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
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Austin Lane, Good afternoon, Hi.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Jeff, what's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I know, what's up. How we doing? I'm doing great, man,
Welcome back. Thanks for having me that. It's been a
few weeks. It's been a couple of weeks. But yeah,
back in fall effect. Yeah, we're back, baby.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's kind of the Wayback Machine. I like the name
of that, the way.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Screwed it up.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
But you no, no, no, I like that because for
you it's the really way back but easy, not that far.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
But it's all a state of mind. Yeah, it's all
a state of mind. Man. But Jav, I want to
ask you, because you mentioned, you know, getting whacked right
from when you get released, what is it? What is
like the official terminology when somebody gets like go from
her team, Because I've been I've been whacked before, like
I've had on Twitter it's aid Austinland whacked from the
Chicago Bears, like like I'm in the mafia. But then
also I've been terminated before, which I thought sounded kind
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of cool, Like what's the official Neither one of them
is cool. I don't well, I mean it's not cool,
but it sounds better than you know, getting cut or
getting released released is if you're a first off.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Let me just say this, your lack of sensitivity using
the term whacked is kind of I mean, come on,
I mean, football players are people.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You're eleven million guaranteed dollars. I think you'll be okay, Sure, sure,
I think so.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
The money makes it okay, I think it does. Money
has feelings too.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It has no feelings, zero feelings.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can be.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Released if you're a veteran with the amount of service
time could be immediately eligible to sign with another team.
If you're waved, you have not reached that threshold yet
and you go through the waiver process claim terminated, claimed off.
I don't know if that's a true. There's only the
two that was the organization for you. Who knows what
they're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You know when I was playing, Yeah, you might have
just terminated your contract and you said get out of here.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Sounds good. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, it's a kind of an interesting thing, you know.
I think everybody was thinking that Gabe was going to
kind of make it at least maybe another year, just
because of the guaranteed money that he had. But with
the post June one designation, that makes, you know, that
kind of a thing, a possibility of just basically stomaching
the money, bite it and eat it and then move on.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And with that designation they can split that dead cap
money over the next two years. It's five point three
billion this.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Year, fourteen and a half or so next year. You know,
the crazy thing. And Austin probably doesn't even remember this.
They used to actually have to wait until June one
to release a player, and then they are were like, finally,
everybody was like, why in the hell are we waiting
until June one to cut some guys. Let's just say, hey,
post June one designation to spread the hit out over
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the two years, to let the players catch on of course,
and go with the team. And finally somebody had some
common sense.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It is common. It was stupid.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Beforehand when you could cut a player and you had
to wait until so there's a lot of guys that
were like, you know, being kind of held away from
the team and saying we're told that, look, we're gonna
cut you June first, and the players twiddling his thumb hurt,
can't do anything yeah, you know, it's it's a bad situation.
So I'm glad the league kind of changed the I
guess you could say the rule book, so to speak,
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to designate a post June one cut.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know, when we talk about Gabe Davis, obviously you
know he went down the depth chart a little bit
when Travis Hunter was drafted. But I was a little
surprised because we have seen the good Gabe Davis when
he played in Buffalo, Like, we know what he's capable of.
I was a little surprised think him at least a
chance to kind of prove himself a little bit in training.
Can I wonder too, if.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The is the injury. I think is that you know,
look if if he was, if he were healthy, and
the team is like, okay, look he's healthy. Now he's
gonna work his way kind of and get back and
being right and improve upon last year. I think that
it would have been a possibility. But now you're just
trying to get back to the level where you were
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at and perform at from a health standpoint, so you're
not really working to improve so to speed.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, keep in mind too,
I mean his game is predicated off of speed, right,
It's that first step and everything. He's not necessarily a
possession receiver. This guy's more of a burner than anything.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's the one thing about Gabe I disagree. He's not
a burner. And if you would if you looked at
Gabe and you looked at his game, his forty time,
I think at best was like a four high four
five four six, something like that. But he had the
appearance that he was fast because he was crafty.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
He's always open, really crafty, did a really.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Good job of gaining separations, separation vertically and if you
look at his yards per catch, you first thought is
guy's got speed right, correct, But he really didn't have
timed fast speed. But he had a craftiness about him.
And you know, and I think there was some questions
about how well he fit in the locker room last year.
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And I get along with Gabe Gray, but I think
that there were some questions about that. And then you
add the injury on top of that, and then you're
moving forward with a new regime, you've got a new room.
I think sometimes teams have a tendency say, hey, look,
let's just let everybody get a fresh start.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Ten games away, twenty catches, two hundred and thirty nine yards,
two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's not a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Where does this rank in like all time free agent
disappointments in JAG's history, There's been some, There's been something
in Austin. You got one in mind or or do
you want.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To go there?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
There's there's been There's been one that's been worse.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm trying to remember Laura Robinson, Laarn Robinson. Maybe no,
it's not it similar. I think maybe in the Trent
Balky era that that might have been the worst one
in terms of free agent signing is Gabe Davis. I'm
trying to think of another one that Douglas.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
We paid a guy I'm trying to remember. We paid
a guy like a ton of guaranteed money nobody else
really wanted on me. Came here and he stopped ago.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, I think a lot of people say Aaron
Ross from uh but I think we had to watch
the Olympics on the big screen. His wife. But listen,
I love Aeron to death, man like that was one
of my dudes. But I remember that the exit quote
was he was just on vacation in Jacksonville and that
rubbed rightfully.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So somebody I'll think of it here in a little bit.
I'll have to maybe go back and look. But the
great thing about Aaron Ross was is that I remember
doing televisihows we'd have his wife, yeah, benefit and all that.
We got to talk a little Olympics, you know, and
and she was fantastic. She was a fantastic lady. Great interview.
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I think that was when it was not even the
new boards yet. This was like the old board. Yeah,
that's right, to watch it, that's all. That's exactly right.
My gosh, but god, I'm trying to remember the name
of the wide receiver that we paid and it was
just like the worst. It was one of the worst
free agent signings in Jaguars history. And this is an
oldbody that remembers.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
This is an older guy.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
He was an older guy that came here and did nothing.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
We'll have to get back to this.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
We paid him up and paid him up a bunch
of years.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
To what happens in free agency. You paid big money
for a reason. It was big money for them.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
But I mean, you know nowadays, I mean everything, just everything, Dwarves,
you know what happened, you know, ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
We're attention Excel Jaguars at Common Jaguars YouTube. It's Jaguars
Happy Hour. So with Gabe Davis now gone, let's take
a closer look at this wide receiver room. Brian Thomas Jr.
You might have heard of him. Yeah, he's pretty good, decent.
Jommy Brown brought in free agency. We'll see he's got
a lot to prove he does. Travis Hunter hasn't put
on a helmet yet, he'll do that tomorrow. And Parker Washington.
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There's those are the top four.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I'd say there's a longer list, certainly, but that's the
room right now.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, what do you think of this? So? I think
it's a very intriguing room for this main reason. I
think when you look at wide receiver rooms usually let's
take Tampa Bay for example. You see a guy like
Mike Evans. You know where Mike Evans is gonna play.
He's gonna be on the outside, he's gonna be getting
the jump balls, go through the goal routes like you know,
he's a he's a big play receiver. A guy like
Chris Godwin, Okay, more in the slot using his speed,
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getting open, using his route running ability. When I see
guys like Brian Thomas Junior how he was utilized last year.
When I see guys like Travis Hunter, who and Jeff
talking about this many times. He's so fluid in his
route running. You can set these guys up in a
lot of spots, Like Brian Thomas Junior can play the slot,
Travis Hunter can play the slot. So when you have
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those guys being interchangeable, that makes it hell on the defense.
So that's what I'm excited about, is where exactly are
they gonna line up and what are these packages going
to look like.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Let's get what we kept hearing in the last regime
with that group too. It didn't quite work out like
that with all the injuries though. Longs to that last group, well,
I mean, and those happen, but typically you can avoid
those injury conversations if you stay a little bit younger.
When you start to go a little bit older, then
all of a sudden, some of those things start to
creep up.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You don't get healthier when you get older.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Now, it's just part of the deal, right, you know.
I mean, it's a tough enough job as it is
when you're young, but then you get a little bit older.
You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But father times undefeated, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And the one thing that I appreciate greatly about the
new regime, and because I'm a huge fan of the draft,
when I say a huge fan, that that's where you
got to build your franchise from, I mean, that's where
the lifeblood of every franchise. And I've used that quote
many times through the years. The lifeblood of a franchise
is fulfilled through the draft. And if you don't do
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it through the draft, then you're not very good, and
then you have to continue to dabble into free agency
to spend money to make up for your short cut
means of not drafting very well. And from the moment
that this new regime took over, the idea was we're
going to build through the draft. And look, they participated
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in free agency, but the guaranteed money of almost the
entire free agent class equaled I think the guaranteed money
of two free agents from last year alone. Yeah, I
mean it was ridiculous the amount of money that they
paid last year.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And it felt like the previous regime was kind of
on that same idea track a draft and supplement free
agency until last year. No, they kind of jumped off
the deep end and free agency.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, wait a minute, I.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Think that they look they were they were free agent
players from the very get go, and then they continued
to be free agent players because they weren't drafting well enough,
you know. And then at something they reached a certain
point where they were like, well, we got it on
board better, you know, which means we need to train
them bent, you know, which I couldn't believe was said
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last year at this time because it's basically point the
finger at the coaching staff, basically saying, boy, you really
did a terrible job of assimilating the rookie class into
the football team last year.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
And then and then the head coach kind of I
fuild the same comments, and I'm going, wait a minute,
at some point, it's not about the onboarding process. Maybe
it's about the selection process of getting the right player
in okay, and not focusing on oh traits, And maybe
let's focus in on a little bit of productivity, correct, Okay,
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or maybe both.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
We're gonna come back in a little bit and we're
gonna get into your both of your onboarding processes.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
When you guys were playing how about that. I mean
I probably have to tailored for the show a little
bit because I probably wouldn't tell Yeah, yeah, I can
do different time. Yeah for sure to excel.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
You got the name?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
What you got?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Jerry Porter? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, it's been a minute.
That has been a minute. I had to do the
old research now Google. I think I kept looking and
so he was, he was signed.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Exactly what year it was, but I'll find out all
the details.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That's what he was making back then.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
And here's what qualifies him as the worst JP. We
gotta go money and quality of the guy.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, okay, okay, we were on ten to NXXL, Jaguars
dot Com, Jaguars YouTube's really conclusion of that when we
come back. Also, Travis Hunter graduating today, but what to
expect from him this weekend at Rookie Mini Camp. That's
next on Jaguars Happy Hour. Welcome back at Jaguars Happy
Hour on this Thursday, and Jaguars Football is presented by
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Fresh from Florida. It's Always in Season, JP, Shadrick, Jeff
Blog and Austin.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Lane in with us Today.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
We're at the Houndai studios of the Miller Electric Center
of Beehive of activity this week.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Phase two of the offseason programs. Here. The rookies are
arriving today.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
They'll be on the field tomorrow and Saturday for rookie
Mini camp, and here we are.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Don't forget about the excavators.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh yeah, the construction outside and all that going on.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I'm talking. I mean, I don't know how exactly how
many excavators are out there, but man, they're digging some
some hole digging around the state too, doing the uh
this part of the off season, they're actually doing some
construction on the anchors for the roof structure that the
new stadium will have.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
How about that?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So I think that's the main focal point, or one
of the main focal points of what's happening with the
stadium build at this point. I mean, Jeff, are you
are you up there like helping them build?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
How do you know about stuff? Man? Some of the
connections there were in the hard hatt.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Thank you Chad Johnson for kind of giving me the
rundown and we'll come back, is what's going to be happening.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Cool. Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
They're also working on the rookies this weekend, and we
mentioned the rookies are in today physicals meetings today, but
Travis Hunter not one of those. He'll be here probably
late tonight because he walked to the commencement ceremony at
the University of Colorado today and Kudos is a video
out on his social media with him and some of
his friends and teammates all graduating together and uh anthropology
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degree logs from Colorado. And so he'll be here and
should be on the field tomorrow and Saturday certainly when
it's open to the public and we'll get a chance
to see Travis Hunter. I got two questions for we're
going to go this way with it. What do you
want to see from him this weekend? What do you
really need to see from him this weekend? There's two
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different things.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'll start with number one, staying healthy, and that goes
for all the rookies because the rookie mini camp is
not really and I'm not trying to minimize it, but
it's not that important in the grand scheme of things.
This is what you want what you need to see?
Stay healthy? Yes, what do you want to see? It's
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as both to me, you know, keep everybody healthy, and
you're just trying to indoctrinate these rookies into the program
so that when they get onto the field with the veterans,
they're not so lost. You know. They kind of got
an idea of where to go, how to go, and
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what to go, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, those parts, where's lunch room all? So when
it's for me, obviously injuries stay healthy number one, But
also like, obviously this guy's be playing wide receiver and cornerback, right.
I think at wide receiver he's gonna be just fine. Like,
if you're a rookie wide receiver taken in the top five,
top ten, you're probably gonna have a pretty good rookie year, right.
I think the coming from college to the pro game,
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it can translate pretty well, and he's got the skill
set to have a successful rookie year as a wide receiver.
I think it's one of the hardest positions to come
from college to the pros and playing cornerback. The speed's different,
the route running is different. You gotta be crisp. I'm
really curious to see just him playing a little defense
of how you tack up against these wide receivers. Now
he won't be going against Brian Thomas Junior and and
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other receivers like that, But like, I just kind of
want to reaffirm just you know, what he looks like
out of his stands, what he looks like when he's backpedaling,
and whether it's zone coverage or men, how he can
hold up.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I got a feeling that, And you know, you don't
want to have too much of this, but everybody's gonna
be focusing in on how many snaps has he taken
on defense? How many snaps has he taken on offense?
And had a conversation with a general manager it was
after the drafting JP. I don't know if you happened
to see this or not, but I was asking James
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that how important is it to make sure that you
just don't have the conversation about Travis always a bee,
about what's.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
He gonna do, what's he gonna do, what's he gonna do?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Because at some point you've just got to move past
that and just allow the athlete to play ball and
to stop answering questions himself. His teammates do not have
to answer those questions in themselves as well, because you
don't want to make it kind of a circus show
about what's he gonna do, how's he gonna do it,
what's the ratio gonna be?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
How many snaps is it gonna be?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You just want it to be kind of and I
know that it's still new and unique and eventually that
will kind of subside, but you just don't want to
give it any extra attention that you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, and I'm gonna say this too, Jeff, like, you know,
we'll see what the ratio is. Obviously it's gonna be
a lot more on offense. But I hope that maybe
we won't be privileged to it as the media, but
I hope the coaches in there know exec what the
plan is gonna be, because the last thing I want
to see is like, you know, maybe Campanelli, it's it's
fourth quarter of the game, games on the line, and
he's like, hey, can we get Travis Hunter back in
there please because we need him, and then you know,
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if it's the Cordinator's going no, we want them over.
You know, like I don't want to go through that miscommunication.
So I hope there's gonna be a clear set of
rules or a clear set of ratio where it's like
he can play this many on defense and this many
on an offense, and then as the season goes, you
can change it around. But I think I don't want
to see the cordinator's clashing because that could happen.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And they said it's a fluid situation too, They're not
stuck right now on it. See how the offseason goes,
build it up and see what he can handle, and
then adjust even if the season calls for it too.
It could be depending on the opponent that week right
could be.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
But I mean, I like the approach that, look, let's uh,
let's get him on offense, learn the finer details of
playing offense, plane wide receiver, you know, because the reality
is is that I'm not trying to say that defensive
players have it easy, but reality is is that playing
defense is not exactly rocket science compared to offense. Trying
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to say, I'm just trying to say that's a little
bit easier in terms of the playbooks. Ours was always
a little thinner, exactly. It's a little bit a little
bit thinner. It's not quite as many adjustments on every
single play, even though you have adjustments on defense. But
playing defense is a little bit more of athleticism there's
still great technique and everything, but timing is a huge thing.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
On offense.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You're not trying to get your timing down with the
safety or the other corners for the moment want to
be on the same page, but it's a little different.
You know, you want to you want to work more
with your quarterback, and working more with the safety is
not as important in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think on offense you have to
be a lot more cerebral, and I think that's reflected
to also in offensive coaches. Offensive coaches seem to be
a little more calm, cool and collected. If you get
defensive corner out there, like, they're probably gonna be shouting
at you, right, because defense, I think is based more
off emotion and just seaball get ball. Offense, it's a
lot more okay, well this is the play, this is
the motion. What does the defense give you, Jack?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I think Austin just literally took the offensive coaches and
put them in a box, and the defensive coaches and put.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Them in a Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I heard that. That's the perfect stereotype offensive guys a
little more cool headed, cool collected.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
And it's funny that you bring that up because if
you sit there and you think about some of the
great coaches in history. I mean, I'm talking some of
the great ones. What boys are you putting them in
Austin's box?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Listen? I had Amy Reid as a coach in Kansas
City and like the calm, cool, collected way way off
the side there for Andy Ree. And then I had
Jim Schwartz. It was a defensive guy, but.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Kind of hothead. Threw a punch of Kevin gobright, you know,
defensive coach. It's a little different.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I mean, look at Aaron Glenn right now in New York,
right like he's kind of changing that whole by Aaron
Rodgers and everything.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Right, I love that Jaguars Happy Hour into that. I
sell Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. All right, let's
let's get into the first thing.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Did you guys ever do wages real quick? Incredibly proud
that Travis Hunter walked, of course, which is you know,
which is amazing because there's a lot of guys that
come into the NFL that number one are not as
smart as Travis. He's incredibly smart, incredibly dedicated to be
able to get his degree on time and to be
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able to take that walk, I mean, and that's so
important for all the young athletes that are.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Out there that may be listening.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
That's that's something that I mean, I hold when I
when I sit there and I think of Travis Hunter
and the quality of guy. When you talk about intangibly rich,
that right there is an example of a guy being
intangibly rich.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Absolutely, So I just wanted to point that out. Love it.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Do you guys remember your first rookie or your rookie
minnie camp? We didn't have rookie yes, so it was
with the team. Yeah, typically you had, you know for
a long time JP. It was the mandatory mini camp
for the team. Happened right after the draft, soon after
the draft.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And so that was my like my first experience and
I'll never forget, you know. I go to New York
and I didn't know where in the hell I was
going driving, which is not a good place to learn
where to go the first time going to New York, right,
So trying to get there was kind of an adventure.
I got there and then when I walked into the
locker room and I was like, jeese, these guys are
like grown men. And they're older and like some of
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them are old enough.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
To be my dad.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I was twenty one. Yeah right, yeah, I was twenty
one years old. You and I walk into the locker room.
It's got Pat Pat Lahy or Kicker. I think he
was forty. Dan Alexander, our guard from LSU and all
he deals go. It's not only the word two words
he would say to a rookie, you know. And he
was like in year thirteen, you.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Know, and these guys are grown men.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, opening yeah, it's different. So and it ain't like
being in a college locker room anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, yours was similar, though mine was definitely similar.
It was funny because our welcome to Jacksonville wasn't what
I anticipated it to be. So we were staying at
the Extended Stay kind of off the south side and everything,
and it was me Tyson A, Lulu, DAIJ, Kareem Scotti McGee,
and d Anthony Smith. And this is back when like
we didn't have like uber really right, So you have
to use a taxi cab, so we call it taxi.
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We want to go like by the Saint John's Town
Center and just kind of check everything out, right, taxi
gab guy comes to pick us up. It's a van.
We all fit in. I'm sitting shotgun guys are behind
me and like, keep in mind, I'm a big dude
at the time, Anthony Smith is a pretty big dude.
Tyson's big dude. But the guy didn't make the connection
of the Louisiana Tech that's what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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think he's a third round pick, defensive tack, defensive tax.
So we were all Senior Bowl team teammate. It's Tyson,
d Anthony and myself while play in the North team
in the Senior Bowl. So anyway, so we're getting in
the cab and we're like, all right, this is Jacksonville's
cool and the text driver goes, hey, you guys follow football,
and I'm like, yeah, a little bit, a little bit,
And keep in mind this was the Tim Tebow year
and a lot of Jaguars fans wanted Tim Tebow to
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come to Jacksonville. So we looked to this text guy.
He goes, I'll tell you what I should have got
Tim Tebow this and he goes, we get this, stupid Tyson.
I came and pronounced this last night. And he's sitting
in the back seat. And the best part is because
you know me, man, I'm kind of I'm a little
bit of smart ass, right, so I'm instigating. I go, yeah,
I heard Tyson a whole kind of sucks. What's what?
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And Tyson if you know, you know, you know, Tyson
is the quietest, most assaulted other dude ever. So Tyson's
just and back there just taking it from this guy,
not saying anything, just kind of have a smirks on
his face. And this guy's like, I can't believe we
got Tyson. Aluila, what a waste of a pick. So
that was our well, that was literally our first night
in Jacksonville, like for rookies, and that was our welcome
to Jacksonville moment.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
By the way, By the way, the first time in Austin,
probably you probably thought the same thing the first time
I ever laid eyes on Tyson Ala Walla, I went,
my god, this guy's big boned. Yes, I'm talking knees
like this, calves like this for people on radio, I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Making calves toasters.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's ridiculous, like like I'm talking twelve by twelve posts.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, like even if it wasn't working out football, he's
just gonna be that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Big broadcast, big dude man and an edge that could used.
He's used a lot by scouts. His heavy hands, Tyson
Aluila was the definition of heavy handed. Like the his
his punch, his pop, it was just different.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Man.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
He was kind of wild criticized he was for the
Jaguars taking him at that spot. But I can tell
you this, Tyson Aliwalu had a fantastic career. Correct it
was a damn good football player, and when you look
at it in hindsight, I don't think there's any doubt
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that Tyson's career was worth where he was picked.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I mean he played up until what I think two
years ago.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yittsburgh exactly and Detroit, which was a perfect fit of
course for Tyson to go to Pittsburgh for that body
type and the type of player that he was.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You almost wish that he had played in that Pittsburgh
Steelers three four style of doingfense the.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Beginning exactly, cause I think with Tyson here and Jacksonville,
people got so infatuated with like the quarterback sack numbers
and things like that, but like what people didn't see
was his ability take on double teams, his his ability
to cause chaos in the backfield because that doesn't pop
up on the box score, right, it's all about quarterback,
you know, sacks and tackles for loss. But when you
followed him to Pittsburgh and you see what he's able
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to do there, I mean, they had one of the
best defenses in the league and it's stemmed from him
playing that Nos technique and just causing chaos taking on
double teams.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Imagine had he not hurt his knee in the Oklahoma
drill the first day.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Which was I mean, gets off the plane because what
do we do?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
What are we doing Oklahoma drill in the first day
before I worked here right the plane and literally signs
his contract and coach del Rio goes, all right, Oklahoma,
Joe for Tyson, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Trying to remember most people be may rest in peace.
Benny was the one guy he did not want to
go against Oklahoma, which, by the way, to the NFL's yeah,
that'll wake you up.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You'll talk about epic matchup though, oh yeah, yeah, know, yeah,
I mean Vince.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Tyson, that was the main car.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I totally understand del Rio's kind of thought process there
is that you know, let's set the tempo sure with
two guys that are I mean, I'm talking type a
cut from a difficult dude to get after it to
set the tempo for camp, and I get it. But
at the same token, I was just I remember going.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I think it's a little to do this.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And then when Tyson hurt his knee, I was.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like, ah, yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Was worse Tyson ala Waalu pertinently in the first contact
drill in camp, or the first round pick out of
Florida outside Jonte Fowler in rookie camp, totally getting fatigued
because they were trying to wear them out. In this
rookie mini camp there was eleven on eleven stuff too
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going on and he and I was sitting there watching
him and I'm going, he's fatigued. I think he's ready
for all this, locked by some try out right tackle
while he was a land and it was just I
thought it was like a fatigue injury sure, And I'm
just going, he's not or not?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean they're trying to stress the rookies to let
them know when you come back, you gotta be ready.
And then shag and I'm you know so, And then
after that everybody's like, wait a minute, maybe we ought
to have this acclamation period to allow players to work
their way into it.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Absolutely, we'll come back in a moment. The Jaguars have
nine traft picks. They'll also have what twenty two undrafted players.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Some something got good money.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The question will be would you rather be a seventh
round pick or an undrafted free agent?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We'll get to that when we come back. This is
Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
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Speaker 2 (29:56):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's Jaguars Happy Hour from the Honday Studios, Miller Electric Center,
JP Shadwick, Jeff Blogham in Austin Lane with us today
on ten ten XLAM, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
We're in the.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Break talking more about rookie memories, if you will, or
infamous moments that might have happened in Jaguars rookie history.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But we left out the rookie dinner stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I mean that, yeah, you know that might be later
in the summer spring, if they even do much of
that anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Who knows with some of the rules these days.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
But you know, the question going to break was speaking
of money, right, would you rather be a seventh round
draft pick of the Jaguars with slotted money, nothing guaranteed,
or an undrafted free agent where you have teams maybe
competing for your services and offering different signing bonuses.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
I think it's a great question because you know, there's
it's kind of twofold. If you're an undrafted guy, you
can kind of pick your place of where you're gonna
go to help give you the best opportunity of having
a job once September rolls around. If you're drafted by
a team that's stacked at your position, it's not helping
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you out a whole lot. So and then a lot
of times, if you're highly solid after undrafted guy, you're
guaranteed money is better than any other guys that got
drafted in the seventh round.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
But then again, if you get drafted, you can always
say I got drafted in the.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Right said yeah, yeah, I mean if it's me, like
there's something you said, yes, I'm an NFL draft pick,
something that goes into that. But at the same time,
do I want to be a draft pick or do
I want to have longevity? And I think when we
talk about longevity, if you can kind of pick and
choose where you want to go based off of depth,
based off of what the situation is, you probably a
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better shot of making said team. So I would almost
lean towards me, an undrafted guy, maybe having a little
bit of a bidding war for me getting some of
that guaranteed money that hopefully making the team to start
the season off.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, And it's kind of interesting too from a contract standpoint.
You know, seventh round pick is getting a contract that's
around four years. That's around about four million dollars, which
is essentially that's the minimum salaries of the NFL combined
over the course of four years. And I was telling
you guys during the break, it's been some inflation.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's a litle bit different, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
So back in nineteen eighty nine, okay, in the way
back machine. Here we go. Okay, we're going back in
the way back machine. My first contract as the fourteenth
overall pick in the draft was four years, two point
one million dollars, big money. So guys today are making
more at minimum in four years than I was making
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it as a first round pick. Now, compare that to
the first overall pick of the draft was expected to
for a contract that's probably in the range of like
forty three to forty four million. That's significantly different. So
would you rather be drafted I'd rather be drafted in
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the first round nowadays? It's okay, right, then in the
first round back in you know, nineteen eighty nine, sure,
and definitely would rather be drafted in the first round
than be an undrafted guy and pick your perfect spot.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, how about you.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Know what's also helped later round draft picks undrafted guys
is the expansion of the practice squad too. It's not
I mean comparatively to a contract, it's not that kind
of money. However, if you have two years or fewer,
you're getting paid thirteen thousand dollars a week if you're
in the practice squad, at least you're around. If you've
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done the right things in camp. They like you enough.
You can be around and maybe you get pulled up.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You don't know how the games go later in the year,
so to be around that says something if you can manage.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
What you're doing in training.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, when the practice squads first came out, the pay
wasn't even anywhere close to what it is now. It
was like four grand a week or something like that.
Three grand a week, you know, and I remember room
and board, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm talking. Guys were
like leaving the cafeteria with the go boxes. Didn't have
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to buy food.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Once they left the facility.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
But I mean, I think paragraph five salary back when
you know, when I first started, I mean, the minimums
were like like one hundred eighty ninety grand.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's significantly different obviously nowadays, and it should be. I mean,
the growth of the NFL has been just just amazing
over the last thirty forty years. Incredible.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You have some vets that can be on there too now.
So their minimum weekly salary this year seventeen to five
with a maximum of twenty two. So yeah, you're on
there for a few weeks and then something happens an injury,
and it's just given kind opportunities stick around.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
For practice a season long. You're not starving pretty good money. Yeah,
I wish I was around when I was playing. So
a little bit of a practice squad, you know, you're
going on the practice squad, a little bit in the
extra money here and there, veteran zero.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And the one thing that I do like too is
that you know, when the practice squad was first, the
whole idea was conceived, contrived, whatever you want to call it.
It was all about the young guys. So now you
can be a veteran guy and be on the practice squad,
which you know, look, you get activated off of the
practice squad, then seventeen to five all of a sudden
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turns into significantly more because of your per week pay
is based off of about a million, which is the
minimum for you know, best veteran that's been in the
league for a number of years. So it's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So let's come back in a moment and we'll get
our final thoughts with rookie mini caamp coming.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Up the next two days. Big yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I think allowed to wear helmets during the Rocky minicamp.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think they are the helmets are okay, shelves or not.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's acclimatum. Okay, We're acclimated. We're achamening.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Okay, we're doing okay, and we're backing them home and
it's Jaguars Happy Hour. We're back at Jaguars Happy Hour,
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We're on ten ten x l a M Jaguars dot
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Speaker 2 (36:31):
J P.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Shadwick, Jeff Logman and our lovely wonderful special.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Guest Austin Lane and they studio with us. Great to
see you, Great to be back. Then, sprise. You haven't
got a seasoned assist yet from Brett Martin. Oh, but
I appreciate you having me back. Man. How's the show
going over there? Show's going on, Yeah, show's going good.
We're starting to get to more of like the creative
time than sports radio now because you know, football is
starting to be able to well, we got the training
camp coming up this but like the dead dead zone
(36:59):
a little bit. Just do me this favor ye as
a talk show host, I guess that's what. Yeah, don't
do the mount rushmore discussion on anything. We're gonna hate that.
We hope power rankings today so it's all good. Yeah,
Mount Rushmore, what is this amateur or what do we
do with power rankings? That was big and timely. Yeah yeah,
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actually yeah, Jeff uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You guys so so wanted to get back to this
the rookie contract thing because we were having that conversation
would you rather be drafted or would you rather end
up being a rookie undrafted free agent financially?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Like what's the better?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
So I was looking and the Jaguars have one of
the one of the top guys in the league, Danny
Strigau from University of Minnesota's defensive end. Watch the film
on the power guy set to the Edge. Good got
a ways to go as a pass rusher, but he
got the twelfth most money guaranteed need money out of
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any undrafted rookie free agent in the league in the league,
and that was two hundred and this is a two
hundred and fifty four thousand dollars. The guy at the top,
Ben Chuck Wooma from the Buccaneers. I don't know what
position I'm assuming maybe defensive end. Maybe you can find
that JP Chuck Chuck Chukwuma three hundred grand. That was
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the highest amount of any undrafted free agent offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Okay, now is there a cap? Like? How does that
work for undrafted?
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I think there is a cab for all of that
pool and I don't know exactly how they configure that,
but they do have a pool for that. The Jaguars
also had an offensive lineman from Penn State Wormley. They
paid him over one hundred thousand dollars, which obviously is
a position of need for the Jaguars. And but yeah,
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I mean that's I mean to be a highly desirable
undrafted guy. I mean, Austin, what were you fIF How
was a fifth round pick? And my like my signing
bonus when I signed, it was like one fifty four.
So I mean, these guys right here surpassed and here's
a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'll never forget it because they actually caught me at
check and I lost in the airport and I went
back to Wisconsin. So I had to go back and
get my check from the airport. Oh you found it,
though I thought it was this between the seats were good.
It's good. An actual pay. Probably i'd probably get a
direct depositive next time. You know what I'm saying. But
I had a payper check and then I had to
go back. I never forget when.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
When I went to New York and I got my
signing modist. Yeah, and god rest is soul. Billy Hampton Junior,
Okay was the assistant equipment manager. The head guy was
Bill Hampton Senior, legendary from even going back to the
Joe Namath days. He'd been there. And it was a
family affair. So you had Bill Hampton Senior was the
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head equipment guy. Bill Hampton Junior was the assistant guy.
And then you had the family work in the entire
clubhouse as well. Clay was the assistant equipment manager, the
assistant and then Derek was like an equipment intern, the
whole family. And then on the weekends they had a
couple brothers, I think Brian that worked the visiting locker rooms. Anyway,
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so my signing bonus check, you know, go there and
sign my contract, go into training camp, and I was
hold out because they wouldn't give me a fair market deal.
Get my signing bonus. We agree, and all of a
sudden here comes Bill Hampton Junior and he's pushing. Remember
the shoulder pads cart of course, So for people that
don't know, there's these kind of trolleys that they put
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the equipment bags on for all the players and in
those bags helmets, shoulder pads, all the equipment of player
needs to play a game. And so these big trolley
things and he's Billy's pushing and he's like, oh and
there's nothing on it but one envelope.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Pushing it in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
So he's acting like he's pushing. Okay, the Rock of
God comes in an equipment room and then it goes
to my locker and.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm going, what the hell was going on?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
You know, lockman, here's your signing motus checks.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, yeah, Jeff, was the first thing that you bought
because everyone's got a vehicle, which you get nineteen eighty
nine Ford Bronco eighty hour edish. There you go.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I had to have, said a wheel as I had
to get for me vacation.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
It was yours.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
My first thing I bought was a new pair of vans,
and then I got a cannons.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
By the way, for people that don't know her shoes shoes,
yeah yeah, yeah, not literally an a van he didn't
buy a pair of vehicles.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
No, And then I bought a Cadillac ext truck with
twenty six inch rims. It was all black, it was
black on black. And then went through a drive through.
And then literally the first day I had the rims,
went through a drive through scrape the rims up. Had
to get some new rims. So that lasted a lasted
twenty four hours with those rims.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah, I didn't have any fancy rims all night.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I got fair stock. This smart way to do it,
stock stock rims. Yeah, what what what you're lacking for?
Like the exterior, Yeah, in the interior with Eddie Bauer editions,
comfortable sitting right.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I did put a sound system in it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
There you go, Yeah, there you go. I like my
music still like a little bit.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah. Nowadays I just put you know, nowadays you can
just get one of those blue tooth speakers and put
in there. That's all you need. But back then, you know,
I had the bazooka two, you know, you know, the
whole whole nine yards, you know, it was like a
bazooka two was probably about a I don't know about
a six seven inch bazooka tube, right, behind the rear seat,
the very back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I bet you had some sweet cassettes in your car.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Actually, uh, I think I had a CDs. I had
a ten of cartridge CD player in the consoles convenient. Yes,
some people like the trunk right, Yeah, it was. It
was a Sony ten disc cartridge CD player. And the
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great thing is is that I had a home stereo
system that that car would fit. The same hole system
that interchangeable, so I could take my cartridges out and
then interchange.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It, you know, from A to B A.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
But that pretty sweet.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
And it was nice too. It was a dark blue
and tan. Of course, all the Eddie Bowers pretty much
were all teen. It was like the trim package and
then the inside had kind of that tan inside. Yeah,
And it was a total dog. The engine was junk.
They underpowered those for years. By the way, it sounds
(43:33):
like you're not over it, you know. I was very
disappointed of the power of that thing. And then finally
I got Chevy Tahoe when I came to Jacksonville in
ninety five, and that.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Was a great vehicle. That was a great one.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Still are Rookie Minni caamp This weekend on the field
Friday and Saturday, we talked a lot about Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
How about some of the other eight draft picks. Who
are you excited to see?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
If you're not gonna be here here about watch highlights
of Travis Hunter is the star attraction, but there are
a lot of guys that can contribute in the draft
class year coming up.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I'm gonna name is Caleb Ransaw just because when he
was drafted I kind of had some skeptical eyes a
little bit of what was the plan gonna be at cornerback?
But by my indications, he's gonna be playing safety. Sky's
extremely fast, He's gonna bring an interesting dynamic in terms
of coming downhill and laying the lumber, if you will.
So I'm very curious to see what's he gonna look
like playing safety a little bit obviously the pads won't
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be once you can't get the full effect, but just
does he look comfortable playing maybe a new spot flogs.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Well, it's kind of hard for me to do this, okay,
because I'm gonna pick a guy from my alma Maters
Nemesis rival Virginia Tech, which, which by the way, I
did take an official visit to Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
He went to Blacksburg.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I did, which was pretty cool because I got to
meet Bruce Smith when he was still at Virginia Attack.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's how long ago this was.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
It was and was expected to be the number one
overall draft pick, which he was eventually, but the running
back out of Virginia Tech ba shul touting. I mean
to me, I want to see tooting because the speed
that he has is real, and when you're talking about
having a mini camp, which is essentially an underwear I
just want to feel his speed because the big guys
(45:24):
in the physicality you're not going to feel in a
rookie mini camp. But I want to feel his speed
because watching him on film, you can see it and
you can believe it, but I want to see it
in person and feel it in person.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Jacks drafted two offensive linemen, but in this setting, it's
probably gonna be tough to see much until training camp.
Really preseason games is when you're gonna see.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Yeah, But that's kind of my point, you know, and
it's the It's not the underwear Olympics because that's the combine,
but you know, it's still kind of the underwear camp.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Duckwalking going to see for you know what I mean,
it's it's it's crucial, you know, but like not that
entertaining to that to the untrained EyeT, but.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
But I'm looking forward to seeing those two guys just
how they look physically, right, you know, because walk off
the bus, let's see what they Yeah, that's the whole thing.
To want to see what they look like when they
come off the bus. I totally want to see that,
you know. And the guy from from Southern cal I
think he's got a chance to develop and get bigger
(46:24):
and stronger and grow up even more and then have
a chance at being a legitimate starting caliber center. And
the kid mile Us out of West Virginia, by god, I.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Had to throw that in there.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Because that was kind of a running joke at University
of Virginia and West Virginia. We used to have a
kind of a game every year with those guys, and
they had an offensive line the way back when that
was along the lines of his name was Wosnyack, and
Virginia had Jim Dombrowski. West Virginia had Wosneak. And both
of them are going to be these first round picks,
(46:58):
which they eventually were. And so I want to see
this Miless guy because I mean, looking at him on film,
he's a big dude. Big dude played left tackle last year.
I don't I want to see where they're gonna line
him up. Yeah, you know, not not so much to
see them physically in a practice, but I want to
see where they line him up in practice.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Saturday open to the public, but you got a register
Jaguars dot com. There is a banner at the top
of the main page that'll take you where you need
to go to sign up for free tickets, and that
should be a packed house.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Did you sign up?
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I did? Okay, I'll be there. Did you you're going,
I'm I'm going.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Tomorrow is not open to correct That's what I didn't
ask you about tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
That's about Saturday. You got a show to do in
the morning and then Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Yeah, I'll come right from the outdoor show right to
the practice. The practice is like one. No, I know,
I know that, but little time. I'm twitter my thumbs
for a couple hours. But I'll come here and hang.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Probably I'll come here and hang out with you. That's
just what I want. My breakfast.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
You're gonna have a great You probably gonn have a
sub you'll stop with the way that's what you do,
that's normally on the way home.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
JP. Any chance that we can talk them into getting
like a bus, actually pull on the field so we
can actually see them getting off the bus, because that's
that's a big thing, right you want to see it's
an intimidation fact exactly. So let's pull that bus on
the practice field. That's let him get off it. Let's
see what we got to work with, like that top
of the hill, let him run down the hill. Yeah yeah, yeah,
But I like the off the bus thing. I think
(48:23):
we can sell that. It's a sponship opportunity right there.
You got the money off. It's going to be mad
now I'm making money over here and not the other
show now.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Can come any time you want announced each one, you know,
coming off the bus and Travis gosh, she comes off
to dancing, you know, like you did?
Speaker 2 (48:44):
You know, can you dance like that? J? I can dance,
but not like that. Do you think Travis Hunter is
going to have some sort of like when it's the
first day of like regular training camp, will he show
up in some crazy way? Because I feel like he's
but I feel like we're talking about those Twitter numbers
up a little bit, or the stream numbers there.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I don't I don't see him. I think he's more
of a organic generate, the numbers kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Does he have to Brinks truck or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
He's not going to be the Jalen Ramsey coming with.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
The Maybe if he's a little more established, maybe he
brings the boat to the new marina or something else.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
He actually was trying. I actually tried and inquired about
that back in the day. Could I bring the boat
to come to work and park over there and then
walk across the parking.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
They no, why there was no.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
They didn't have any marina over there at the years,
you know, because the only thing that was there I
think was the Jacksonville Fire and Rescue dogs that back
then there was. They didn't have anything built over there.
But I was trying, like, heck, find a way to
take my boat from my house down at my old
(49:57):
place and then take it down town across a lot
to go to work.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
We'll see you Austin in what two weeks you'll see
when I see it? Yeah, yeah, I think two weeks
if you're coming Saturday or no. Sun's Son's got a
play a little championship.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
He let's go flyers. We'll see you two weeks. That's
Austin Lane Logs.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
We'll see you when I see You'll see you in
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Okay, that's Jeff Logerman. I'm J. P.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Shaddicker. Thanks to Britt Reeber and Joe Fortunadowa. Thanks to
you for listening and watching. It's Jaguar's Happy Hour.
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