April 4, 2025 • 50 mins
Former Jaguars DE Jeff Lageman is back with J.P. Shadrick to discuss how the NFL Annual Meetings went this week and the return of players in the building next week. Lageman is looking forward to hearing how the culture is built in the Miller Electric Center. Stay tuned to get a sneak peek of The HUNT that just dropped. 👀 This and more on Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Dream Finders Homes.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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JP Shadwick reunited with our good friend Jeff Logo. It
good after dude, afternoon, JP. How you been I'm great? Yeah, great,
welcome back. Yeah, it feels good to be back. I've
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been gone for so long. I didn't I didn't recognize
you when you walked I know, right, I'm all clean shaven.
Now you've got a haircut, you know, fresh as daisy. Yeah,
I else see you need to know.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's all we need. I had had a nice week off, though,
I guess it was kind of all right, Hey, you're
on health and Wellness day. Mental, Yeah, okay, physical, mental,
all the above. I need a lot of those mental
health days, rack them up, uh plenty to get to
of course, we'll hear from James Gladstone GM of the Jaguars.
(01:49):
Caught up with John believe you haven't even mentioned the
draft yet.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I just I.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Literally just said three weeks to the NFL, right, I know,
but that's attention to the open. But you just threw it,
like rushed it aside, like it's not even a main story,
like the league meetings down in what was it, Palm
Beach was a bigger story than the draft that's coming
up in Green Bay because it.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Just happened, and there's quotes out of it, and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I know, but it was it's a lot of fluff. Yeah,
And we went through the some of the rules change
potential rule changes a couple of weeks ago, and uh,
and I was kind of chuckling when when some of
the announcements were made of some of these changes that happened.
But I mean, at the end of the day, I mean,
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right now, the lifeblood of every franchise is the draft.
The draft talk should be paramount every single day, Like
number won't care if there's a league owners meeting tomorrow. Again,
what about Okay, well what about next week? Off season program?
First year head coach, new staff, establishing the culture. I mean,
it's raizing the floor of the team, the whole deal.
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I mean, the ecosystem a win. Are they going to
win games next week?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, I mean, if it does go well, that's
not a first impressions. Look report, it's gonna make headlines
because it's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know, the first time the players get to be
with the coaches, it's awesome, it's great. But the reality is,
you want to get this team better, get better players,
and what's going to happen in a couple of weeks
in Green Bay That's what matters most. James Gladstone and
his guys and the coaching staff, they need to be
on point that moment happens at Green Bay and they're
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on the phone and they're on the clock. That's where
this team gets better right then and there. That's where
they've got to be on time. And I'm looking forward
to it. I mean I've been like, how for I mean, yeah,
you must sounds like you are. Well, I'm looking forward
to it because look, this organization has what's the right word.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I can think of a lot of words, but.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It has fallen short in April many times, many times,
and there's been many a April's where after the draft happened,
you're like, yeah, that was a good draft, and then
I'll say that though, well, I mean everybody does. You're right,
everybody does. But it matters when year one and year
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two and year three are completed, and then you go, oh,
how did we do? I mean, I'll never forget you
go back, you know, to many Jaguar drafts and you
felt good about it. But at the conclusion of year three,
which is kind of your gauge of whether or not
a draft was successful or not, at the end of
year three you were like, one.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Very good, We're drafted again to take the place of
this guy we drafted.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, no, then they go into free agency in the
next couple of years and spend a bunch of money
because they weren't drafting very well, well, here's your chance.
This is your chance to right the ship and to
get it right as an organanization, and this April draft
is where it has to start. James Gladstone's got to
be on point. It reminds me a lot of like
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college football recruiting. Never in the history of college football
has there been a bad recruiting class. Just ask the
school who did it. Of course, I mean they're all geniuses.
But I mean it's look, it's uh, it's all part
of the campaign. I mean, it's it's all part of
the positivity. And look, that's the great thing about the
off seasons. I mean, if everybody's undefeated and hope spring's eternal.
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But I mean you've got to have the Jimmy's and
the Johosh Okay, well let's you know for the simple Well,
we'll push Lei'll talk about any draft stuff at all.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think we're gonna talk about it right now.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We're going to push Leam Cohen's comments that you don't
care about apparently from this watched the whole interview. Well good,
I mean, but some people listening might not have heard
some of this, so we're going to have some of
this a little bit later. By the way, season program,
I will say this, I do enjoy listening to both
Liam Cohen and and Gladstone. I think, you know, because
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there's been a lot made about how good of a
communicator James Gladstone is, but Liam Cohen is an excellent
communicator as well. I enjoy listening to what he has
to say. And uh, and by the way, when's the
first episode of The Hunt coming out today? I've been
I've gotten all these teasers today today tonight, seven o'clock awesome. Yeah, wait,
(06:22):
don't have a teaser coming up on this show. It'll
be because I've been seeing all these teasers on Jaguars
dot com and I like when I'm hearing so far
and I'm just sitting there going, I can't When is
the first episode coming out?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Seven o'clock Jaguars YouTube tonight. Can't wait.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'll be watching it tonight and unprecedented access outstanding. It
should be great. We'll have a teaser of that coming up.
The Jaguars have the number five pick in the NFL draft.
For now, forget you got some inte. No, I have
no insight whatsoever. But I'm a big believer. I know
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that James Gladstone said that he's a big believer in
acquiring more draft capital and always having as much draft
capital as you possibly can. They've got now, just to
preface this, they do have the most draft picks this
year and next year.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Of any team in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Great, great, let's get more, get some more, just more,
get some more. If there's a way that you can
trade back from five, I would love to see this
team trade back from five.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
How far down are you going?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'll go down in the teams. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You still need a player that can co produce now,
and if you're.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, you can get that, you can get that. You
can absolutely get that if you go down into the teams.
But I mean, here, here's here's why I really think
that this draft. It has a couple of quarterbacks and
a couple I mean elite players at the top, and
then those quarterbacks elite players. No, we're not, They're just quarterbacks,
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all right, you know. Caleb Williams was an elite quarterback prospect.
Trevor Lawrence was an elite quarterback prospect. Cam Ward and
should Hear Sanders are not in that category the quarterbacks
that a lot of teams need quarterbacks. Now, cam Ward
makes some froze that are special, I mean special, but
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the total body of work is not anywhere near Caleb
Williams or Trevor Lawrence in my opinion, he does some
things that you go what are you thinking? What are
you doing? And should her Sanders have some of the
same moments, and I think at times ball placement an
issue with him. Trying to extend to play too often
is an issue with him. But Abdull Carter from Penn
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State and Travis Hunter from Colorado, I mean, you're you're
talking cream of the crop. So you take those two
guys and then the two quarterbacks, and then after that,
I think there's a lot of guys that are very
closely rated. And the Jaguars picked fifth. So in theory,
if those four are gone, do you try to trade back.
(09:12):
I would like to see them to try to trade back.
Is there somebody after that though, that a team would
be willing to trade up for. That's the big question,
you know, And I mean maybe they trade for one
of those top four guys. Now, if a quarterback slides
back somehow, some way. Could that end up being a
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possibility of the Jaguars maybe orchestrat in the trade. Maybe
the quarterback is always something that allows people to be
a willing trade possibility. The offensive line prospects, there's some
really good ones.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think you've got.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
If you were back into the teams, or even move
back a couple of spots, you've got an opportunity to
pick up a really good offensive line, really good defensive lineman.
I think the big guys in this draft. It's a
good draft. Wide receivers. I don't think you'd be in
a market for the wide receiver in the first round anyway.
Mason Graham like him, like him solid, A lot.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Of people like him. He's mocked everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Great hands, I mean, and that's the guy that you've
seen mocked with the Jaguars another place. And I like him.
The only thing I think he's got some limitations his length.
He's done have great length. Not a great pass rusher,
great football player though, can great hands, great uh taking
on the blocks, does all that stuff really well. But
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he's in he is He in the category of Abdul Carter,
Travis Hunter, Oh no, if he if he was if
he picked in the top four, I don't think he is,
you know, but I like him, don't.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Get me wrong. But if you trade back and pick him.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Up, yeah, well if you like him, I don't think
you'd get him by trading back. I think it's an interest.
It's an interesting question, and I would love to know
what they're thinking is about a Mason Graham or a
lot of teams, what their thought process is with a
Mason Graham very high floor. But I think the question
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with him is is how high is the ceiling? I mean,
because when you're in that top five, you're looking for
intangibly rich, great football players right right to use James's term,
he's a great football player and tangible's off the chart.
Is he a game changer? I think that's a question
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that when you're drafting in the top five, you're looking
for somebody that's a game changer. And I'm not saying
he is, and I'm not saying he's not. But is
he in that Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter category a game changer?
How about Tyler Warren? Penn State tight end jack of
all trades does a million things well, but he's a
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tight end. You got a good tight end. And Brenton
Strange he signed two guys in free agent teammates in college,
by the way, So I like him? Do I like
him at five?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, there's a lot of good offensive linemen too. There
are who do you like amongst the offensive line besides
the guy at Alabama.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh Booker guard? Yeah, it's hard to not like him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Will Campbell is the one that kind of issue. Everybody
has thrown his name up high and all these mock drafts,
And I'll be honest with you, I did at LSU
game this year. I didn't study the offensive line too hard.
Armand Membo Membo Missouri guy. Yeah, super athletic right tackle
at college. Is he going to be a tackle in
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the pros? Is he going to be a guard?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I think it's going to be interesting to see where
they view some of these eyes from positional aspect, because
a lot of these guys that were college tackles. The
draft knicks are kind of forecasting some of these guys
as interior offensive alignement.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Question.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, they can draft them high, doesn't mean they're going
to start, they can go compete and maybe, but they've
got the left tackle Walker Little under contract, well, not
necessarily left tackle, he's under contracts under alignment, a decent
sized contract, a decent sized contract. But JP, the left
guard's got a decent sized contract. I'm here to tell
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you that that contract doesn't say that you're going to
be given a spot. That's not what I'm saying. But
I'm just saying the finances of what we're dealing with here, right,
which is a very fair contract. I mean with with
Walker Little, I mean it's a it's a it's a
good contract, But that contract doesn't say he's my starting
left tackle. But you'd be comfortable with him as a
swing guy in theory. Well i'd like to not to
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be paying on that much swiss whole argument. But I mean,
let him compete somewhere, guard tackle wherever.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I mean play.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Competition is the best thing on the planet. More competition,
better performance out of everybody. Let's come back in a moment.
We can talk draft a little more later. We got
to get to this the annual meetings, and we're gonna
hear from the heaven.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Let me say this just real quick.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
If if Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter fall to the
Jaguars somehow at five run to the Mike Perkins had
better have that card brought up to the podium like
that in Green Bay, and he better have those cards
filled out already in advance, because you know, Perk's that guy.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He's the guy who in the car.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Those two guys are on a whole different level than
a lot of these other players. And there's some really
good football players, don't get me wrong. Those two guys though,
I'm talking Micah Parsons. And the biggest question about Travis
Hunter is is he going to be an elite wide
receiver an elite defensive back? Take his pick. He can
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be both.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'd be both. We're back at a moment. We'll take
a look at the offseason program coming up next week
on ten to XXL, Jaguars dot COmON Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
This is Jaguars Happy Out.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's great to be intangibly curious, as our fan base
might be labeled at this point, but intangibly rich. I
think we can all get to a place that even
in our own minds, it means somewhat of the same thing.
When we're looking at on field intangibles. It's things like competitiveness, toughness,
and even instincts and nuances of each skill that is
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offered up at each position. Off the field, you're looking about,
you know, how much passion does somebody have for the
game itself as well as what are they like as
a team might and a person off the field, And
so those are things that we gauge and really lean
into as a part of our decision making process. It's
really where we start at each point of player acquisition.
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But you know, we got to remain agile at the
same time and be open to, you know, a number
of options. But at the end of the day, yes,
it's rooted in intangibles and that's something that we'll keep
as our north star as we round out this first
off season.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's James glad So of course Jaguars GM with John
Osher at the NFL Annual Meeting earlier this week. The
owners Meeting is a full conversation at Jaguars dot com.
Jaguars Football is presented by a fresh from Florida. It's
always in season, JP Shadwick with Jeff Logoman. We're at
the Hyundai studios at the Miller Electric Center on tentinxl,
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Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. Intangibly curious is what
he called osher there, which is pretty pretty funny line
from the GM. I really like, though, how he You know,
everybody's been kind of wondering to summer extent, what what
does intangibly rich mean you? And I think he did
a pretty good job of spelling a little bit of
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it out. I kind of wonder too, because when when
you get to encounter a lot of these prospects that
you're considering drafting or even signing as undrafted free agents,
there's a lot of information that you acquire on film
and physicals and all that other stuff. I just wonder
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how much that they're investing in I don't want to
say private eyes, but in really researching the background of
these players, because you know, jp when when these guys
go to a meeting at the combine, they're they're prepped,
they're prepped, they're they're taught how to handle themselves, how
to conduct themselves by their agents, and but you know,
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what you really want to find out is how these
people are when they're not being interviewed and when they're
walking around, how they are with their teammates, how they
are with staff, how they are with their family. I mean,
you want to know as much as you possibly can
because you're getting ready to make millions of dollars of investments,
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millions into these players, and you want to make sure
that you make the right decisions and the scouts are
involved in that. The local area scout scouts should be
able to have great lines of communication. And if you
have scouts that have not fostered great relationships in their area,
and find somebody that can be around, right, I mean,
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because that is part of the job of finding out
the true the true use of these players, you know.
So I would hope that there's a great emphasis put
into that because we have not done a good job,
a good enough job as an organization in the past
of with some of that stuff. I mean, we had
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a draft picked a couple of years ago that we
drafted in the US around a corner out of Florida
that when he got drafted, you would assume that the
kid didn't even want to play here.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
That reaction on the couch at his house.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And that once he got here you would have assumed
that he didn't want to play then either. Henderson and
then he didn't want to play when he got traded either.
He's been heard a little bit, make a couple of
phone calls. You could have found that out.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That was a rough one. That was a rough one.
There's others. We can go back.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We can go back in history if we want. We've
got a few more. We got our surrounders. Thirty eight
minutes left in the show. It might not be enough time.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
For all those.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, vet them, vet them, vet them, vet them, spend
the resources. Look, when you have a phone plan, JP,
you're not getting charged by the minute anymore. No, really, Okay,
may you got the unlimited plan?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Amazing?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Okay, make sure your scouts have the unlimited plan so
they can make all the phone calls that they need
to make. By the way, you remember when you had
to like stop piled minutes and you had the family
plan and you had to like combined minutes. I remember
paying a dollar ninety a minute for selling your one,
and then they had they charged you by the text message,
whether you got it or or said it, you were
(20:18):
getting charged Like I didn't get I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Sent to me.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I get five cents a text message.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What do you guys?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Just crazy crazy for a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But anyway, you got unlimited plans now, so that Scout
utilize that service. Excited find out all you can.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Did you ever have a rotary phone? Probably when you
were a kid.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, when I was a kid. But yeah,
I mean it was what you knew, man, that's just
what it was.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Remember the first cordless phone we had in the house.
It was like, oh wow, this thing has an antenna
on it. You'll walk around it. I'll never forget my
first cell your phone. It was by I had a
plan from cell you or one, and I was with
the Jets at the time, and and so I got
this thing in just in case, you know, something happened.
And it was in a bag like like literally like
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a like a kind of a shoebox size cloth bag,
and it literally was you had to pay like I
think it was like eighty bucks a month or something
like that, and then you had to pay like a
dollar ninety a minute. So it was like, hey, man,
I'll be there in five minutes. Right, You're looking at
your stop watch or something, you know, and making sure
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you were hanging up before you had you know, too
many minutes on.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
There, but I mean, anyway, pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, use those minutes, you got them, They're unlimited vet
these players. I'm glad that that Johnny Ozone sat down
with James Gladstone.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They stood up technically, but yes, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, I like it. I like it. It's good. It's
a good conversation. We had it the other day on
jags Aam. We could check it out there or on
Jaguars dot com or Jaguars YouTube as it stands by itself.
And uh, I'm sure I would guess at some point
next week maybe there could be some more availability with
the off season program about to get underway. And then
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at some point, I'm sure there's gonna be a like
a draft, probably a pre draft lunching, whatever you want
to call it. You know, usually it's out so we
can find out exactly who they're gonna take. They're gonna
give us all the answers and then feed us a sandwich. Yeah,
they're not gonna give much information, but i mean, look
at you know, now's the time I think we're between
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because what how how many days away is the draft?
For it's literally one day because it's three weeks away
and between now and.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
In that night.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
This is this is what you call the rumor period, right,
this is where a lot of misinformation gets spread. Yeah,
so everything that you hear from now until then, take
it with a grain of salt. You think it's BS,
not necessarily BS, but it's yeah. I mean there's a
there's a lot of maneuvering and all the different mock
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drafts that are coming out, and then people are going
to plant little ideas and information and different media members. Look,
there's personality.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
You might be doing it right now with Mason Graham
might be oh he's not good.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Maybe maybe you're trying to, like, you know, maybe be stealthy,
loud the Jaguars to fall back a couple of spots
and them because maybe you're playing, you're planting the seed.
You're part of the system. I like the idea of
getting more picks. I've always been a big fan of
accumulating picks because the reality is is that the draft
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it is a numbers game. Your accuracy of making the
right pick is not great. So the more picks you have,
the better chance you have of making a right pick.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But if just a guy up there you really want
just get it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Who would you jp if you had your choice, you
were picking number one.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Overall, I'm going Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter. I think he's
that dynamic.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Where would you play him?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I mean for this team.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
We've talked about this before and I haven't gotten your
thoughts on it. So and I'm going both ways on it,
because you could use cornerback play on this team right
in a number of different ways, even though with the
free agent you signed and some things you have. I mean,
if you put that guy out on one side and
call that a day, I think, or you put him
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at receiver full time and then bring him in in
a certain.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Packages on defense, I think you can do it both ways. Yeah,
you could.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But the problem is if he gets hurt, you lose
two players. Correct, You're losing two positions, Yeah, which is
not good. So that's the scary part of what this is.
But when he's out there, ball skills, speed, dynamic, got
his head on his shoulders. I mean, he's got everything
you want, so I would and if it were me,
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and it's just this is me, it's hard to.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Pass that up.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And you're playing them on defense for the most part,
maybe say we'll see you know, I don't know. It's great,
it's a great enough. It's a great debate. You know,
there's how much do you let him drive it and
be like, I want to do everything. I don't know
about that. An NFL game typically consists about sixty five
plays for each team, right, offensively, right, So you can't
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expect him to play, you know, one hundred and twenty
to one hundred and thirty snaps a game.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So he did the Colorado more than that more plays.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't think college football has that many snaps, do
they They well, they used to that a whole lot more,
and so they changed the clock rule a couple of
years ago. The clock runs on and maybe that is
the case. But I mean, I just can't imagine a
player with standing one hundred and thirty snaps a game.
I just can't see that. And on top of that,
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you're what what does that do to the longevity of
the player if he's taking that number of snaps? All
a great argument it's more physical in the NFL and
theory in the NFL, right, yes, it is. The theory
it is. It's a tough one. It's because you want
your best guy out there. Yeah, he's he's a.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He's a great player.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And it's amazing to me that you literally that there
is a debate about a player. I mean, because look
all the great two way players that have been in
the bo Jackson, you know, played offense. Uh well, but
I mean dual sport guy, right, Dion sand you know,
and which one was he gonna do? Right, Okay, Dion Sanders, Okay, returner,
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defensive back. Little packages that he had on offense, Okay,
they were great. But there I don't think there's ever
been You probably got to go way back, way way
back to find somebody that had a legitimate it was
a legitimate two way football player offense and defense. I mean,
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just nobody's ever really done that in modern day era.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, I mean you're gonna go back to like
Chuck Bignerik probably right, right. I mean, Charles Woodson was
special teams, but he was a defense you know, But
there was nobody that was true there. Well, there hasn't
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been anybody in the modern era of football the Super
Bowl receiver. Yeah, but it was limited and it was later,
it was very limited. But there's nobody been in the
I don't think in the Super Bowl era through been
been both ways, starting on defense, starting on offense. They've
kept expanding the rosters and the whole thing. Yeah, interesting, interesting,
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Let's come back. I prom but I like your I
like your pick. I mean, he's he is special, and
he loves ball, loves ball, and he's got some of
the best ball skills on the defensive side or the
offensive side, some of the best ball skills I've ever
seen of anybody. Wide receiver, defensive back, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And stakes can break on it the whole season game.
Let's come back.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I promise we're gonna hear from Liam Cohen. Okay, I'm
gonna make it a point to run these Liam Cohen
clips when we come back, because that's what you want
to hear. You want to hear about the off season
program next week, I.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Want to hear.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I want to hear this football team is gonna win,
all right. We want to hear how this team is
going to organize and execute. Well, maybe what an answer
We'll come Okay, you'll hear that coming up the new
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Speaker 4 (29:30):
You know, that's the first thing when we're really trying
to place to just feel guys like, this is good stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's great to be back.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
We're doing football.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
How many of us get to do this. We get
an opportunity to do this every single day. There's so
many that don't. And so how are we going to
approach this thing? I think they'll walk into that kind
of feeling and you know.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
We'll meet.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
We'll just do meetings obviously throughout phase one introducing our
systems while we at the same time start to introduce
our culture, the way that we're going to be, the
way the we're going to talk to each other, the
way that we're going to communicate with each other, how
we're gonna treat one another. That'll go hand in hand
with the systems.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Is Liam Cohen at the ANC Coaches Breakfast at the
NFL Annual Meeting earlier this week down in Palm Beach
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Speaker 1 (30:34):
The question to Liam Cohen there JP.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Shadwick, Jeff Logwan on Jaguars Happy Hour, by the way,
was a what do players expect next week when they
come back in the building for the first time, maybe
the first time for the off season program. It's the
first opportunity for Cohen and the coaching staff and the
strength and conditioning staff who will have them on the
(30:57):
field to really get in front of these guys.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So that's the answer.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
How how important is this first impression for Liam Cohen
and the staff. Well, I think it's important. But then
you know the other thing too that you just brought
up about the strength and conditioning staff, which, oh, by
the way, that's new. They're new too, That is new.
So there's a lot of new when the players walk
into the building and uh, which can be a great thing.
(31:23):
And part of that newness is also going to be
that everybody is starting from ground zero. Everybody has an opportunity,
you know, making a strong first impression and building relationships
as everybody's moving forward, and it's it's incredibly important that
the culture begins to be established that very first moment,
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and anything less than the acceptable culture ways are not okay.
And so I think it's going to be a very
important day. But it's something that has to be built
every day. It's not something that Okay, hey guys, here's
how we're gonna be. All right, let's all march and
we're good.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's a daily process that has to continue to be reinforced.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And that's for years.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's not just one year, and a work ethic and
a level of expectation of look, this is where we
are gonna be, okay, anything less is unacceptable. I mean,
those are the things that need to be established from
the very early on days and the moments that you have.
But again, it has to be consistently and reoccurring positively
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enforced all the time. It's not a sum of the
time thing. It's an all the time thing. By the way,
the off season program yes begins officially April eighth. The
league announced all the off season dates officially for every
team Earlier today. So the first day for the jag
is April eighth. They it can begin April seventh, but
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the Jaguars will be in April eighth. Voluntary mini camp,
which I know you love those in the off season
logs your your history of voluntary camps April twenty first
through twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Three, don't.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't mind them.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I know, well, I'm going back to your history as
a player.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well, that wasn't That was not a voluntary mini.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Camp that I was not at that voluntary.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
That was no, it was a voluntary early report date
to training camp.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's what we had.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's what I'm talking about, after we had twenty voluntary
days already in the off season. It was voluntary though.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Anyway. NFL Draft April twenty fourth through twenty six.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Phase two April twenty eighth for the Jaguars, OTAs in May,
a number of days there, that's Phase number three, and
then mandatory mini camp in June June ten, eleven, and twelve.
It'll be interesting to see kind of what you know
you've seen in the past to where you have all
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of these voluntary days in the off season and then
all of a sudden you get to the mini camp
and you're like hey, and all of a sudden they
don't have it. Well, that's what happened with Doug Peterson,
right if he had good attendance throughout the off season,
then he would just go ahead and bang the mandatory one,
or let the only the rookies have to come, or
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whatever veterance come. I was never a fan of canceling
the mini camp because I understand what Doug's kind of
goal was, is that to allow the players to have
a mental and physical break so that they're fresh when
they come back. But there's ways to keep the players
in a fresh way throughout the whole off season. There's
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times that you can give them breaks or time off,
But if you're giving them the time off at the
mandatory mini camp, that's the most allowable or the fewest
restricts on what you can and can't do in all
of the off season. Yes, so if you're gonna if
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you're gonna bypass something or to not do something, don't
make it the one that has the most value of
all of the off season activity. And I'm gonna say
something here, I might get in hot water with you
on this. It's three days for goodness, sake, right, It's
three days.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
How could that be such an issue. It's three days,
go work for three days.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, so I'm all for it, thank you. Okay, now
I'm all for it. I didn't know if other side.
My point is that if you want to give the
players some time off, don't make it the mini camp.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
They got five weeks off coming up.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right after the day after exactly five weeks, totally understand.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Do the three days.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And for some teams, like the teams that were in
the playoffs and had the season extended, and you know,
they're not a time off they had has been shorter,
Well that's not the case here. Okay, So the players
should be kind of fresh.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
And ready to go.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But if you need to give them a little bit
of a break, don't take it out of that mini camp.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Take it.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Take it out of like one of the other phase
days that have more restrictions about what you can and
can't do. You want to be able to do as
much as you possibly can, which is at that stage
of the off season, which is where the many mandatory
mini camp falls. Phrases you're not allowed to have like
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one on ones, you're not allowed to have, you're allowed
to have all of that in the mini camp, So
don't take don't take that away faste, you know, ot
A three four, Okay, yeah, take a day or whatever. Correct,
But hey, they could take them anyway. They're voluntary up
until the mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Correct. I'm just telling you in theory they can.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, but you know, so you need to day take
the day and take the whole thing. Don't come all
and look if there's guys that have a way of
preparing and it suits them best. On me, Josh Allen
a couple of years ago wasn't here at all in
the off season stuff right, and then came back for
the mandatory mini camp had his best year as a
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pro by far? Is that necessarily the best course of
action though with a new staff, No, you need you
need to be here. That's the other side of the argument,
just saying play a handful of guys playing defense is
not rocket science. I mean, so it's not like you
need to be here for all of it. But I
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would like to see Josh here for as much as possible.
But if he's not here for certain parts of it, okay,
that's fine. If it works for him, it works for him.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
So there's probably only a handful of players that could well,
they can all get away with it because of the CBA. Correct,
But there's probably a certain level of player on this team,
and probably not as deep as you think that could
truly be.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Well, when I'm not speaking as a team and that's
that's voluntary, I get it. The one thing that that
is definitely the case, there's a few untouchables, that's all
I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, there are guys that are
untouchable from a contract standpoint, and that's a fact. But
the one thing that is definitely true in this case
is that when you have a whole new regime, Okay,
(38:24):
what you've done in the past or any you know,
if JP, let's say you were a draft pick a
couple of years ago, a high one, right, I was
a high draft. Hey, look, it really doesn't matter anymore.
You know, you've got a new regime. There's uh, you know,
the general manager that may have drafted you is gone.
(38:45):
So the new general manager is not going to look
good or bad if he keeps you or he doesn't
keep you. You know, there's veteran guys it doesn't matter.
It doesn't it's not going to make the new general
manage look good or bad if he keeps you or
he doesn't keep you where they decide that you're not
a part of the program, or you are a part
of the program. You know. So everybody is kind of
(39:05):
starting at ground zero from that standpoint. But then again,
there are contracts that make certain guys untouchable part of
the business professional football. But everybody has a clean slate.
Nobody has any built up equity, so to speak, even
though some guys do just from an experience and play standpoint,
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but a lot of guys don't have any of that equity.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Built up at all. So we'll see. I bet attendants
will be pretty high in this offseason program, as.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It should be. I mean, look, this is a great
place to live. And here's the other thing that I've
made this point for a number of years. If you
are out and training on your own and you get hurt,
you're on your own non football NFI list baby, Okay,
and you know what that means. You don't get paid. Okay.
If you get hurt while you're working under the umbrella
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of the team, Okay, then that's in the line of
duty injury. Where would you rather work out somewhere where
there is no way of you getting paid if you
got hurt, or if you work out here, then you're
gonna get paid because you were in the facility working out.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, it seems like an easy answer.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
And I can tell you this just I mean from
my experience, working out with your teammates is great because
it's competitive. You can help raise the level of everything
you do in the off season. When you're working out
with your teammates, you build relationships and with a lot
of new faces that are going to be coming in,
(40:44):
this is a chance for them to get to know everybody.
I mean, speaking of working out away from the building,
you don't want to do one day? What what are
those darkness retreats? Aaron Rodgers did? That sounds fun? That
guy that sounds like an interesting Rogers playing for the
Pittsburgh Steelers just as work for me.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
We'll see. They haven't announced anything.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yet, I know, but it's going that way right, trending
that direction. Can you picture Aaron Rodgers in these in
his darkness retreats fitting in with the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's
a it's a different place.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't know. Man, let's come back in a moment.
We will tease The Hunt. It is back tonight, can't wait.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I love that show. I think it's every NFL team
should do something like this, and some of them try. Yeah,
not to this extent, not as not like the Jaguars.
The Hunt is outstanding must watch football viewing entertainment. We're
on tens, n x l a M, Jaguars dot com,
(41:46):
and Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It's Jaguars Happy Hour. That one's pleasure.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Sure, Season six, episode one. All right, let's go there.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You have it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
The Hunt back tonight, seven o'clock on Jaguars YouTube, featuring
unprecedented access into the leadership changes for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I'm told it's thirty six minutes long.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
One nice, very good.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's almost like hopcorn in a cold wooden territory. That's
enough time to do both. Oh yeah, I'll be uh.
I'll have a cold drink and watch it tonight. I
don't know about popcorn. No, not a popcorn.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I like pop but I like popcorn movies.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I like them. This is damn. I mean, they might
as well get to sun Dance with this thing. That's
how long this thing is. And they've done a great
job with it. They really have.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
I mean the whole crew, all the way top to bottom,
from kavanav of course to the canvas. Everet Sullivan kind
of leads the charge on this side of things, and
I mean we can go through the list here, but
Trent Padilla and Gabby Dalton have been working their tails
off over there. Andrew Curry ho the access given by
the football side. I mean, you'll see it tonight. I've
(43:30):
seen bits and pieces logs. The whole thing's going to
be fantas Yeah, looking forward to that. I will me
and the wife, Terra, we will definitely be watching that tonight.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Is that her name. I'm kidding, Yes, you know very well.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I know very well. Of course, we will definitely watch
that tonight. And you know, we always try to find
something to watch. But I can tell you this that
is on my list, like top five is when that
stuff comes out, you know, and I know all the people.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I mean, it's i mean it's almost like we work here.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's amazing, well imagine that, but it's still got I
mean the access that you get in the entertainment that
you get from it I think is outstanding and I
would recommend anybody that has not watched The Hunt that
do not miss this year's The Hunt series because it
(44:25):
is must watch TV if you're a football fan, if
you're looking to be entertained. This is great stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Looking forward to seven o'clock Eastern tonight. Jaguars YouTube. They'll
stream it live there.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
It will be on the Jaguars website at some point
very soon as well, so check that out. Jaguars Happy
Hour presented by Dream Pinders Homes, official homebuilder of the
Jacksonville Jaguars off season program. Next week, veterans will be
in first impressions for the head coach and the strength
and conditioning staff. And then we're closing it on the
(45:01):
NFL Draft three weeks away and the draft party this
year at Lemon Bar. Logs at the Lemon Bar.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, that's right, that's where we'll be.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
No, we're going to be here, Oh, but the party
will be out. I don't want to be where the party.
I mean, maybe you could go out there and report back.
Can I be like a remote? I'm sure that would
go very well for you. Yeah, that'd be great. I'm
looking forward to the draft. I've been watching film for
the last couple of weeks, and I think it's going
(45:33):
to be a very interesting draft. And when I when
I said this earlier, there was kind of a reason
why I said that I would love to see the
Jaguars trade down just because they can accumulate some more picks.
But then also there's a lot of players that are
really close together. How do you get that after you
get past that elite group right at the top, and
(45:54):
more picks means better chance of hitting. And you've got
a great, great group of guys that are going to
be available in that eight to fifteen, sixteen seventeen. The
grades are they're going to be so close together that
you can get great value there. But you just you know,
again said this before, but you got to be willing
(46:18):
to find somebody that's wanting to trade up.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
To do that. It takes two to tango.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
There's more people that are willing to trade back than
are willing to trade up. I think that's yeah. You
always talk about we always hear about, oh, trade, this
could be a trade machine. Here we go, trade, trade, trade,
and then draft night rarely does something happen.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I mean, look, sometimes I think in the last couple
of years the frequency of trades though have gone up.
So it was the last year and we've never been
around the mindset of James Gladstone and Liam Comb, so
we don't know kind of what their mo is. I mean,
they've got an opportunity to create their own m O.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Correct, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I mean, we know we can follow the track record
in l A a little bit of what they did there,
but I mean he was more in the scouting side
of the draft than well. And I think the other
thing too, that is incredibly important. Every team has a
great opportunity after the draft to still continue to add
talent to the I was trying to think of the environment.
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Is that what the ecosystem? I know you've been a
while for two weeks, but you forget ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Come on, man.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
And I'm really looking forward to that because that was
something that James Gladstone handled personally for the Rams and
they've done a great job in that category with the
undrafteds and so I know a lot of people are
fired up about what the Jaguars will be able to
do in the draft, and there's no doubt that that's
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the highest level of talent that you can add to
your roster, but it doesn't end there. I'm looking forward
to seeing what they are are also going to do
after the draft and the undrafted hard Final Four this weekend.
Do you care who's in the Final four? All the
number one seats? I heard that Florida is in. They
are one of the number one seats. Who else is in?
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Duke Duke? Who are the others?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Cameron crazies? Right?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Are they still considered the Cameron crazy?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
They are? Yes?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Oh, Auburn, Auburn Duke, Florida, Houston and who Houston? Houston?
All right? Who you're rooting for?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
You don't care. Who do you think is gonna win?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Duke Duke? Are they that good? They're I think they're
pretty good. I mean from the two games I watched
them in the tournament. I don't know. I don't know
anything else.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Virginia is not in the Final four. They're not going
to be there for a while. I don't think it
might be a minute. Alabama blewet. I'll watch the Final four.
I haven't watched the basketball game yet, but I'll watch.
I'll watch the final wins the first game Saturday. No, Yeah,
Saturday Saturday. What time they're both at on Saturday? One's
(49:00):
at six o'clock Saturday, Saturday Saturday, and they're back to back.
Got a concert I'm going to Oh what have we got?
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Is it a competing billy strings? Whoa sweet? Yeah? You
got an extra one extra ticket for.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
He will come to be a third wheel for that concert.
Maybe so at the end. Uh huh yeah, yeah, great show.
I've heard he's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I've seen him.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I've heard nothing but good things.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Great to see you again, Great to be so too.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
And uh, next week, you can educate me on basketball
a little bit. Well, not me, because you're asking a
wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I need some help. I didn't watch any all year.
I need some help.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I don't know anything about basketball. I guess next week
we'll probably talk about the NFL Draft again, well, of course,
because it's the most important thing for this franchise. And
I'll give you a breakdown of some of the off
defensive lineman I think this team needs it.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Oh, I like that that's coming up next week. Thanks
for listening.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Thanks to our entire crew, David, Joe, Brent Reaber, Joe
Fortunado for Jeff Logiman, I'm JP Shadrick, and this is
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It is Thursday, April third. This is Jackuars Happy Hour.
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JP Shadwick reunited with our good friend Jeff Logo. It
good after dude, afternoon, JP. How you been I'm great? Yeah, great,
welcome back. Yeah, it feels good to be back. I've
(01:16):
been gone for so long. I didn't I didn't recognize
you when you walked I know, right, I'm all clean shaven.
Now you've got a haircut, you know, fresh as daisy. Yeah,
I else see you need to know.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's all we need. I had had a nice week off, though,
I guess it was kind of all right, Hey, you're
on health and Wellness day. Mental, Yeah, okay, physical, mental,
all the above. I need a lot of those mental
health days, rack them up, uh plenty to get to
of course, we'll hear from James Gladstone GM of the Jaguars.
(01:49):
Caught up with John believe you haven't even mentioned the
draft yet.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I just I.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Literally just said three weeks to the NFL, right, I know,
but that's attention to the open. But you just threw it,
like rushed it aside, like it's not even a main story,
like the league meetings down in what was it, Palm
Beach was a bigger story than the draft that's coming
up in Green Bay because it.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Just happened, and there's quotes out of it, and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I know, but it was it's a lot of fluff. Yeah,
And we went through the some of the rules change
potential rule changes a couple of weeks ago, and uh,
and I was kind of chuckling when when some of
the announcements were made of some of these changes that happened.
But I mean, at the end of the day, I mean,
(02:33):
right now, the lifeblood of every franchise is the draft.
The draft talk should be paramount every single day, Like
number won't care if there's a league owners meeting tomorrow. Again,
what about Okay, well what about next week? Off season program?
First year head coach, new staff, establishing the culture. I mean,
it's raizing the floor of the team, the whole deal.
(02:55):
I mean, the ecosystem a win. Are they going to
win games next week?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, I mean, if it does go well, that's
not a first impressions. Look report, it's gonna make headlines
because it's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know, the first time the players get to be
with the coaches, it's awesome, it's great. But the reality is,
you want to get this team better, get better players,
and what's going to happen in a couple of weeks
in Green Bay That's what matters most. James Gladstone and
his guys and the coaching staff, they need to be
on point that moment happens at Green Bay and they're
(03:33):
on the phone and they're on the clock. That's where
this team gets better right then and there. That's where
they've got to be on time. And I'm looking forward
to it. I mean I've been like, how for I mean, yeah,
you must sounds like you are. Well, I'm looking forward
to it because look, this organization has what's the right word.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I can think of a lot of words, but.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It has fallen short in April many times, many times,
and there's been many a April's where after the draft happened,
you're like, yeah, that was a good draft, and then
I'll say that though, well, I mean everybody does. You're right,
everybody does. But it matters when year one and year
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two and year three are completed, and then you go, oh,
how did we do? I mean, I'll never forget you
go back, you know, to many Jaguar drafts and you
felt good about it. But at the conclusion of year three,
which is kind of your gauge of whether or not
a draft was successful or not, at the end of
year three you were like, one.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Very good, We're drafted again to take the place of
this guy we drafted.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, no, then they go into free agency in the
next couple of years and spend a bunch of money
because they weren't drafting very well, well, here's your chance.
This is your chance to right the ship and to
get it right as an organanization, and this April draft
is where it has to start. James Gladstone's got to
be on point. It reminds me a lot of like
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college football recruiting. Never in the history of college football
has there been a bad recruiting class. Just ask the
school who did it. Of course, I mean they're all geniuses.
But I mean it's look, it's uh, it's all part
of the campaign. I mean, it's it's all part of
the positivity. And look, that's the great thing about the
off seasons. I mean, if everybody's undefeated and hope spring's eternal.
(05:30):
But I mean you've got to have the Jimmy's and
the Johosh Okay, well let's you know for the simple Well,
we'll push Lei'll talk about any draft stuff at all.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think we're gonna talk about it right now.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We're going to push Leam Cohen's comments that you don't
care about apparently from this watched the whole interview. Well good,
I mean, but some people listening might not have heard
some of this, so we're going to have some of
this a little bit later. By the way, season program,
I will say this, I do enjoy listening to both
Liam Cohen and and Gladstone. I think, you know, because
(06:01):
there's been a lot made about how good of a
communicator James Gladstone is, but Liam Cohen is an excellent
communicator as well. I enjoy listening to what he has
to say. And uh, and by the way, when's the
first episode of The Hunt coming out today? I've been
I've gotten all these teasers today today tonight, seven o'clock awesome. Yeah, wait,
(06:22):
don't have a teaser coming up on this show. It'll
be because I've been seeing all these teasers on Jaguars
dot com and I like when I'm hearing so far
and I'm just sitting there going, I can't When is
the first episode coming out?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Seven o'clock Jaguars YouTube tonight. Can't wait.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'll be watching it tonight and unprecedented access outstanding. It
should be great. We'll have a teaser of that coming up.
The Jaguars have the number five pick in the NFL draft.
For now, forget you got some inte. No, I have
no insight whatsoever. But I'm a big believer. I know
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that James Gladstone said that he's a big believer in
acquiring more draft capital and always having as much draft
capital as you possibly can. They've got now, just to
preface this, they do have the most draft picks this
year and next year.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Of any team in the league.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Great, great, let's get more, get some more, just more,
get some more. If there's a way that you can
trade back from five, I would love to see this
team trade back from five.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
How far down are you going?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'll go down in the teams. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You still need a player that can co produce now,
and if you're.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, you can get that, you can get that. You
can absolutely get that if you go down into the teams.
But I mean, here, here's here's why I really think
that this draft. It has a couple of quarterbacks and
a couple I mean elite players at the top, and
then those quarterbacks elite players. No, we're not, They're just quarterbacks,
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all right, you know. Caleb Williams was an elite quarterback prospect.
Trevor Lawrence was an elite quarterback prospect. Cam Ward and
should Hear Sanders are not in that category the quarterbacks
that a lot of teams need quarterbacks. Now, cam Ward
makes some froze that are special, I mean special, but
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the total body of work is not anywhere near Caleb
Williams or Trevor Lawrence in my opinion, he does some
things that you go what are you thinking? What are
you doing? And should her Sanders have some of the
same moments, and I think at times ball placement an
issue with him. Trying to extend to play too often
is an issue with him. But Abdull Carter from Penn
(08:50):
State and Travis Hunter from Colorado, I mean, you're you're
talking cream of the crop. So you take those two
guys and then the two quarterbacks, and then after that,
I think there's a lot of guys that are very
closely rated. And the Jaguars picked fifth. So in theory,
if those four are gone, do you try to trade back.
(09:12):
I would like to see them to try to trade back.
Is there somebody after that though, that a team would
be willing to trade up for. That's the big question,
you know, And I mean maybe they trade for one
of those top four guys. Now, if a quarterback slides
back somehow, some way. Could that end up being a
(09:34):
possibility of the Jaguars maybe orchestrat in the trade. Maybe
the quarterback is always something that allows people to be
a willing trade possibility. The offensive line prospects, there's some
really good ones.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think you've got.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
If you were back into the teams, or even move
back a couple of spots, you've got an opportunity to
pick up a really good offensive line, really good defensive lineman.
I think the big guys in this draft. It's a
good draft. Wide receivers. I don't think you'd be in
a market for the wide receiver in the first round anyway.
Mason Graham like him, like him solid, A lot.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Of people like him. He's mocked everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Great hands, I mean, and that's the guy that you've
seen mocked with the Jaguars another place. And I like him.
The only thing I think he's got some limitations his length.
He's done have great length. Not a great pass rusher,
great football player though, can great hands, great uh taking
on the blocks, does all that stuff really well. But
(10:38):
he's in he is He in the category of Abdul Carter,
Travis Hunter, Oh no, if he if he was if
he picked in the top four, I don't think he is,
you know, but I like him, don't.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Get me wrong. But if you trade back and pick him.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Up, yeah, well if you like him, I don't think
you'd get him by trading back. I think it's an interest.
It's an interesting question, and I would love to know
what they're thinking is about a Mason Graham or a
lot of teams, what their thought process is with a
Mason Graham very high floor. But I think the question
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with him is is how high is the ceiling? I mean,
because when you're in that top five, you're looking for
intangibly rich, great football players right right to use James's term,
he's a great football player and tangible's off the chart.
Is he a game changer? I think that's a question
(11:37):
that when you're drafting in the top five, you're looking
for somebody that's a game changer. And I'm not saying
he is, and I'm not saying he's not. But is
he in that Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter category a game changer?
How about Tyler Warren? Penn State tight end jack of
all trades does a million things well, but he's a
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tight end. You got a good tight end. And Brenton
Strange he signed two guys in free agent teammates in college,
by the way, So I like him? Do I like
him at five?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, there's a lot of good offensive linemen too. There
are who do you like amongst the offensive line besides
the guy at Alabama.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh Booker guard? Yeah, it's hard to not like him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Will Campbell is the one that kind of issue. Everybody
has thrown his name up high and all these mock drafts,
And I'll be honest with you, I did at LSU
game this year. I didn't study the offensive line too hard.
Armand Membo Membo Missouri guy. Yeah, super athletic right tackle
at college. Is he going to be a tackle in
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the pros? Is he going to be a guard?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I think it's going to be interesting to see where
they view some of these eyes from positional aspect, because
a lot of these guys that were college tackles. The
draft knicks are kind of forecasting some of these guys
as interior offensive alignement.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Question.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, they can draft them high, doesn't mean they're going
to start, they can go compete and maybe, but they've
got the left tackle Walker Little under contract, well, not
necessarily left tackle, he's under contracts under alignment, a decent
sized contract, a decent sized contract. But JP, the left
guard's got a decent sized contract. I'm here to tell
(13:35):
you that that contract doesn't say that you're going to
be given a spot. That's not what I'm saying. But
I'm just saying the finances of what we're dealing with here, right,
which is a very fair contract. I mean with with
Walker Little, I mean it's a it's a it's a
good contract, But that contract doesn't say he's my starting
left tackle. But you'd be comfortable with him as a
swing guy in theory. Well i'd like to not to
(13:58):
be paying on that much swiss whole argument. But I mean,
let him compete somewhere, guard tackle wherever.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I mean play.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Competition is the best thing on the planet. More competition,
better performance out of everybody. Let's come back in a moment.
We can talk draft a little more later. We got
to get to this the annual meetings, and we're gonna
hear from the heaven.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Let me say this just real quick.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
If if Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter fall to the
Jaguars somehow at five run to the Mike Perkins had
better have that card brought up to the podium like
that in Green Bay, and he better have those cards
filled out already in advance, because you know, Perk's that guy.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He's the guy who in the car.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Those two guys are on a whole different level than
a lot of these other players. And there's some really
good football players, don't get me wrong. Those two guys though,
I'm talking Micah Parsons. And the biggest question about Travis
Hunter is is he going to be an elite wide
receiver an elite defensive back? Take his pick. He can
(15:07):
be both.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'd be both. We're back at a moment. We'll take
a look at the offseason program coming up next week
on ten to XXL, Jaguars dot COmON Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
This is Jaguars Happy Out.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's great to be intangibly curious, as our fan base
might be labeled at this point, but intangibly rich. I
think we can all get to a place that even
in our own minds, it means somewhat of the same thing.
When we're looking at on field intangibles. It's things like competitiveness, toughness,
and even instincts and nuances of each skill that is
(15:49):
offered up at each position. Off the field, you're looking about,
you know, how much passion does somebody have for the
game itself as well as what are they like as
a team might and a person off the field, And
so those are things that we gauge and really lean
into as a part of our decision making process. It's
really where we start at each point of player acquisition.
(16:10):
But you know, we got to remain agile at the
same time and be open to, you know, a number
of options. But at the end of the day, yes,
it's rooted in intangibles and that's something that we'll keep
as our north star as we round out this first
off season.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's James glad So of course Jaguars GM with John
Osher at the NFL Annual Meeting earlier this week. The
owners Meeting is a full conversation at Jaguars dot com.
Jaguars Football is presented by a fresh from Florida. It's
always in season, JP Shadwick with Jeff Logoman. We're at
the Hyundai studios at the Miller Electric Center on tentinxl,
(16:46):
Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. Intangibly curious is what
he called osher there, which is pretty pretty funny line
from the GM. I really like, though, how he You know,
everybody's been kind of wondering to summer extent, what what
does intangibly rich mean you? And I think he did
a pretty good job of spelling a little bit of
(17:07):
it out. I kind of wonder too, because when when
you get to encounter a lot of these prospects that
you're considering drafting or even signing as undrafted free agents,
there's a lot of information that you acquire on film
and physicals and all that other stuff. I just wonder
(17:28):
how much that they're investing in I don't want to
say private eyes, but in really researching the background of
these players, because you know, jp when when these guys
go to a meeting at the combine, they're they're prepped,
they're prepped, they're they're taught how to handle themselves, how
to conduct themselves by their agents, and but you know,
(17:50):
what you really want to find out is how these
people are when they're not being interviewed and when they're
walking around, how they are with their teammates, how they
are with staff, how they are with their family. I mean,
you want to know as much as you possibly can
because you're getting ready to make millions of dollars of investments,
(18:12):
millions into these players, and you want to make sure
that you make the right decisions and the scouts are
involved in that. The local area scout scouts should be
able to have great lines of communication. And if you
have scouts that have not fostered great relationships in their area,
and find somebody that can be around, right, I mean,
(18:34):
because that is part of the job of finding out
the true the true use of these players, you know.
So I would hope that there's a great emphasis put
into that because we have not done a good job,
a good enough job as an organization in the past
of with some of that stuff. I mean, we had
(18:57):
a draft picked a couple of years ago that we
drafted in the US around a corner out of Florida
that when he got drafted, you would assume that the
kid didn't even want to play here.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
That reaction on the couch at his house.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And that once he got here you would have assumed
that he didn't want to play then either. Henderson and
then he didn't want to play when he got traded either.
He's been heard a little bit, make a couple of
phone calls. You could have found that out.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That was a rough one. That was a rough one.
There's others. We can go back.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We can go back in history if we want. We've
got a few more. We got our surrounders. Thirty eight
minutes left in the show. It might not be enough time.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
For all those.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, vet them, vet them, vet them, vet them, spend
the resources. Look, when you have a phone plan, JP,
you're not getting charged by the minute anymore. No, really, Okay,
may you got the unlimited plan?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Amazing?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Okay, make sure your scouts have the unlimited plan so
they can make all the phone calls that they need
to make. By the way, you remember when you had
to like stop piled minutes and you had the family
plan and you had to like combined minutes. I remember
paying a dollar ninety a minute for selling your one,
and then they had they charged you by the text message,
whether you got it or or said it, you were
(20:18):
getting charged Like I didn't get I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Sent to me.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I get five cents a text message.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What do you guys?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Just crazy crazy for a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But anyway, you got unlimited plans now, so that Scout
utilize that service. Excited find out all you can.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Did you ever have a rotary phone? Probably when you
were a kid.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, when I was a kid. But yeah,
I mean it was what you knew, man, that's just
what it was.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Remember the first cordless phone we had in the house.
It was like, oh wow, this thing has an antenna
on it. You'll walk around it. I'll never forget my
first cell your phone. It was by I had a
plan from cell you or one, and I was with
the Jets at the time, and and so I got
this thing in just in case, you know, something happened.
And it was in a bag like like literally like
(21:12):
a like a kind of a shoebox size cloth bag,
and it literally was you had to pay like I
think it was like eighty bucks a month or something
like that, and then you had to pay like a
dollar ninety a minute. So it was like, hey, man,
I'll be there in five minutes. Right, You're looking at
your stop watch or something, you know, and making sure
(21:34):
you were hanging up before you had you know, too
many minutes on.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
There, but I mean, anyway, pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, use those minutes, you got them, They're unlimited vet
these players. I'm glad that that Johnny Ozone sat down
with James Gladstone.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They stood up technically, but yes, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, I like it. I like it. It's good. It's
a good conversation. We had it the other day on
jags Aam. We could check it out there or on
Jaguars dot com or Jaguars YouTube as it stands by itself.
And uh, I'm sure I would guess at some point
next week maybe there could be some more availability with
the off season program about to get underway. And then
(22:14):
at some point, I'm sure there's gonna be a like
a draft, probably a pre draft lunching, whatever you want
to call it. You know, usually it's out so we
can find out exactly who they're gonna take. They're gonna
give us all the answers and then feed us a sandwich. Yeah,
they're not gonna give much information, but i mean, look
at you know, now's the time I think we're between
(22:37):
because what how how many days away is the draft?
For it's literally one day because it's three weeks away
and between now and.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
In that night.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
This is this is what you call the rumor period, right,
this is where a lot of misinformation gets spread. Yeah,
so everything that you hear from now until then, take
it with a grain of salt. You think it's BS,
not necessarily BS, but it's yeah. I mean there's a
there's a lot of maneuvering and all the different mock
(23:11):
drafts that are coming out, and then people are going
to plant little ideas and information and different media members. Look,
there's personality.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
You might be doing it right now with Mason Graham
might be oh he's not good.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Maybe maybe you're trying to, like, you know, maybe be stealthy,
loud the Jaguars to fall back a couple of spots
and them because maybe you're playing, you're planting the seed.
You're part of the system. I like the idea of
getting more picks. I've always been a big fan of
accumulating picks because the reality is is that the draft
(23:42):
it is a numbers game. Your accuracy of making the
right pick is not great. So the more picks you have,
the better chance you have of making a right pick.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But if just a guy up there you really want
just get it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Who would you jp if you had your choice, you
were picking number one.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Overall, I'm going Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter. I think he's
that dynamic.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Where would you play him?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I mean for this team.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
We've talked about this before and I haven't gotten your
thoughts on it. So and I'm going both ways on it,
because you could use cornerback play on this team right
in a number of different ways, even though with the
free agent you signed and some things you have. I mean,
if you put that guy out on one side and
call that a day, I think, or you put him
(24:35):
at receiver full time and then bring him in in
a certain.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Packages on defense, I think you can do it both ways. Yeah,
you could.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But the problem is if he gets hurt, you lose
two players. Correct, You're losing two positions, Yeah, which is
not good. So that's the scary part of what this is.
But when he's out there, ball skills, speed, dynamic, got
his head on his shoulders. I mean, he's got everything
you want, so I would and if it were me,
(25:07):
and it's just this is me, it's hard to.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Pass that up.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And you're playing them on defense for the most part,
maybe say we'll see you know, I don't know. It's great,
it's a great enough. It's a great debate. You know,
there's how much do you let him drive it and
be like, I want to do everything. I don't know
about that. An NFL game typically consists about sixty five
plays for each team, right, offensively, right, So you can't
(25:38):
expect him to play, you know, one hundred and twenty
to one hundred and thirty snaps a game.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So he did the Colorado more than that more plays.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't think college football has that many snaps, do
they They well, they used to that a whole lot more,
and so they changed the clock rule a couple of
years ago. The clock runs on and maybe that is
the case. But I mean, I just can't imagine a
player with standing one hundred and thirty snaps a game.
I just can't see that. And on top of that,
(26:10):
you're what what does that do to the longevity of
the player if he's taking that number of snaps? All
a great argument it's more physical in the NFL and
theory in the NFL, right, yes, it is. The theory
it is. It's a tough one. It's because you want
your best guy out there. Yeah, he's he's a.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He's a great player.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And it's amazing to me that you literally that there
is a debate about a player. I mean, because look
all the great two way players that have been in
the bo Jackson, you know, played offense. Uh well, but
I mean dual sport guy, right, Dion sand you know,
and which one was he gonna do? Right, Okay, Dion Sanders, Okay, returner,
(26:55):
defensive back. Little packages that he had on offense, Okay,
they were great. But there I don't think there's ever
been You probably got to go way back, way way
back to find somebody that had a legitimate it was
a legitimate two way football player offense and defense. I mean,
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just nobody's ever really done that in modern day era.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, I mean you're gonna go back to like
Chuck Bignerik probably right, right. I mean, Charles Woodson was
special teams, but he was a defense you know, But
there was nobody that was true there. Well, there hasn't
(27:45):
been anybody in the modern era of football the Super
Bowl receiver. Yeah, but it was limited and it was later,
it was very limited. But there's nobody been in the
I don't think in the Super Bowl era through been
been both ways, starting on defense, starting on offense. They've
kept expanding the rosters and the whole thing. Yeah, interesting, interesting,
(28:10):
Let's come back. I prom but I like your I
like your pick. I mean, he's he is special, and
he loves ball, loves ball, and he's got some of
the best ball skills on the defensive side or the
offensive side, some of the best ball skills I've ever
seen of anybody. Wide receiver, defensive back, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And stakes can break on it the whole season game.
Let's come back.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I promise we're gonna hear from Liam Cohen. Okay, I'm
gonna make it a point to run these Liam Cohen
clips when we come back, because that's what you want
to hear. You want to hear about the off season
program next week, I.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Want to hear.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I want to hear this football team is gonna win,
all right. We want to hear how this team is
going to organize and execute. Well, maybe what an answer
We'll come Okay, you'll hear that coming up the new
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Speaker 4 (29:30):
You know, that's the first thing when we're really trying
to place to just feel guys like, this is good stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's great to be back.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
We're doing football.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
How many of us get to do this. We get
an opportunity to do this every single day. There's so
many that don't. And so how are we going to
approach this thing? I think they'll walk into that kind
of feeling and you know.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
We'll meet.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
We'll just do meetings obviously throughout phase one introducing our
systems while we at the same time start to introduce
our culture, the way that we're going to be, the
way the we're going to talk to each other, the
way that we're going to communicate with each other, how
we're gonna treat one another. That'll go hand in hand
with the systems.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Is Liam Cohen at the ANC Coaches Breakfast at the
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Speaker 1 (30:34):
The question to Liam Cohen there JP.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Shadwick, Jeff Logwan on Jaguars Happy Hour, by the way,
was a what do players expect next week when they
come back in the building for the first time, maybe
the first time for the off season program. It's the
first opportunity for Cohen and the coaching staff and the
strength and conditioning staff who will have them on the
(30:57):
field to really get in front of these guys.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So that's the answer.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
How how important is this first impression for Liam Cohen
and the staff. Well, I think it's important. But then
you know the other thing too that you just brought
up about the strength and conditioning staff, which, oh, by
the way, that's new. They're new too, That is new.
So there's a lot of new when the players walk
into the building and uh, which can be a great thing.
(31:23):
And part of that newness is also going to be
that everybody is starting from ground zero. Everybody has an opportunity,
you know, making a strong first impression and building relationships
as everybody's moving forward, and it's it's incredibly important that
the culture begins to be established that very first moment,
(31:47):
and anything less than the acceptable culture ways are not okay.
And so I think it's going to be a very
important day. But it's something that has to be built
every day. It's not something that Okay, hey guys, here's
how we're gonna be. All right, let's all march and
we're good.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's a daily process that has to continue to be reinforced.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And that's for years.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's not just one year, and a work ethic and
a level of expectation of look, this is where we
are gonna be, okay, anything less is unacceptable. I mean,
those are the things that need to be established from
the very early on days and the moments that you have.
But again, it has to be consistently and reoccurring positively
(32:38):
enforced all the time. It's not a sum of the
time thing. It's an all the time thing. By the way,
the off season program yes begins officially April eighth. The
league announced all the off season dates officially for every
team Earlier today. So the first day for the jag
is April eighth. They it can begin April seventh, but
(32:59):
the Jaguars will be in April eighth. Voluntary mini camp,
which I know you love those in the off season
logs your your history of voluntary camps April twenty first
through twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Three, don't.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't mind them.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I know, well, I'm going back to your history as
a player.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well, that wasn't That was not a voluntary mini.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Camp that I was not at that voluntary.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
That was no, it was a voluntary early report date
to training camp.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's what we had.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's what I'm talking about, after we had twenty voluntary
days already in the off season. It was voluntary though.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Anyway. NFL Draft April twenty fourth through twenty six.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Phase two April twenty eighth for the Jaguars, OTAs in May,
a number of days there, that's Phase number three, and
then mandatory mini camp in June June ten, eleven, and twelve.
It'll be interesting to see kind of what you know
you've seen in the past to where you have all
(34:00):
of these voluntary days in the off season and then
all of a sudden you get to the mini camp
and you're like hey, and all of a sudden they
don't have it. Well, that's what happened with Doug Peterson,
right if he had good attendance throughout the off season,
then he would just go ahead and bang the mandatory one,
or let the only the rookies have to come, or
(34:21):
whatever veterance come. I was never a fan of canceling
the mini camp because I understand what Doug's kind of
goal was, is that to allow the players to have
a mental and physical break so that they're fresh when
they come back. But there's ways to keep the players
in a fresh way throughout the whole off season. There's
(34:43):
times that you can give them breaks or time off,
But if you're giving them the time off at the
mandatory mini camp, that's the most allowable or the fewest
restricts on what you can and can't do in all
of the off season. Yes, so if you're gonna if
(35:05):
you're gonna bypass something or to not do something, don't
make it the one that has the most value of
all of the off season activity. And I'm gonna say
something here, I might get in hot water with you
on this. It's three days for goodness, sake, right, It's
three days.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
How could that be such an issue. It's three days,
go work for three days.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, so I'm all for it, thank you. Okay, now
I'm all for it. I didn't know if other side.
My point is that if you want to give the
players some time off, don't make it the mini camp.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
They got five weeks off coming up.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right after the day after exactly five weeks, totally understand.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Do the three days.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And for some teams, like the teams that were in
the playoffs and had the season extended, and you know,
they're not a time off they had has been shorter,
Well that's not the case here. Okay, So the players
should be kind of fresh.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
And ready to go.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But if you need to give them a little bit
of a break, don't take it out of that mini camp.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Take it.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Take it out of like one of the other phase
days that have more restrictions about what you can and
can't do. You want to be able to do as
much as you possibly can, which is at that stage
of the off season, which is where the many mandatory
mini camp falls. Phrases you're not allowed to have like
(36:29):
one on ones, you're not allowed to have, you're allowed
to have all of that in the mini camp, So
don't take don't take that away faste, you know, ot
A three four, Okay, yeah, take a day or whatever. Correct,
But hey, they could take them anyway. They're voluntary up
until the mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Correct. I'm just telling you in theory they can.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, but you know, so you need to day take
the day and take the whole thing. Don't come all
and look if there's guys that have a way of
preparing and it suits them best. On me, Josh Allen
a couple of years ago wasn't here at all in
the off season stuff right, and then came back for
the mandatory mini camp had his best year as a
(37:14):
pro by far? Is that necessarily the best course of
action though with a new staff, No, you need you
need to be here. That's the other side of the argument,
just saying play a handful of guys playing defense is
not rocket science. I mean, so it's not like you
need to be here for all of it. But I
(37:35):
would like to see Josh here for as much as possible.
But if he's not here for certain parts of it, okay,
that's fine. If it works for him, it works for him.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
So there's probably only a handful of players that could well,
they can all get away with it because of the CBA. Correct,
But there's probably a certain level of player on this team,
and probably not as deep as you think that could
truly be.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Well, when I'm not speaking as a team and that's
that's voluntary, I get it. The one thing that that
is definitely the case, there's a few untouchables, that's all
I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, there are guys that are
untouchable from a contract standpoint, and that's a fact. But
the one thing that is definitely true in this case
is that when you have a whole new regime, Okay,
(38:24):
what you've done in the past or any you know,
if JP, let's say you were a draft pick a
couple of years ago, a high one, right, I was
a high draft. Hey, look, it really doesn't matter anymore.
You know, you've got a new regime. There's uh, you know,
the general manager that may have drafted you is gone.
(38:45):
So the new general manager is not going to look
good or bad if he keeps you or he doesn't
keep you. You know, there's veteran guys it doesn't matter.
It doesn't it's not going to make the new general
manage look good or bad if he keeps you or
he doesn't keep you where they decide that you're not
a part of the program, or you are a part
of the program. You know. So everybody is kind of
(39:05):
starting at ground zero from that standpoint. But then again,
there are contracts that make certain guys untouchable part of
the business professional football. But everybody has a clean slate.
Nobody has any built up equity, so to speak, even
though some guys do just from an experience and play standpoint,
(39:29):
but a lot of guys don't have any of that equity.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Built up at all. So we'll see. I bet attendants
will be pretty high in this offseason program, as.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It should be. I mean, look, this is a great
place to live. And here's the other thing that I've
made this point for a number of years. If you
are out and training on your own and you get hurt,
you're on your own non football NFI list baby, Okay,
and you know what that means. You don't get paid. Okay.
If you get hurt while you're working under the umbrella
(40:01):
of the team, Okay, then that's in the line of
duty injury. Where would you rather work out somewhere where
there is no way of you getting paid if you
got hurt, or if you work out here, then you're
gonna get paid because you were in the facility working out.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, it seems like an easy answer.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
And I can tell you this just I mean from
my experience, working out with your teammates is great because
it's competitive. You can help raise the level of everything
you do in the off season. When you're working out
with your teammates, you build relationships and with a lot
of new faces that are going to be coming in,
(40:44):
this is a chance for them to get to know everybody.
I mean, speaking of working out away from the building,
you don't want to do one day? What what are
those darkness retreats? Aaron Rodgers did? That sounds fun? That
guy that sounds like an interesting Rogers playing for the
Pittsburgh Steelers just as work for me.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
We'll see. They haven't announced anything.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yet, I know, but it's going that way right, trending
that direction. Can you picture Aaron Rodgers in these in
his darkness retreats fitting in with the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's
a it's a different place.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't know. Man, let's come back in a moment.
We will tease The Hunt. It is back tonight, can't wait.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I love that show. I think it's every NFL team
should do something like this, and some of them try. Yeah,
not to this extent, not as not like the Jaguars.
The Hunt is outstanding must watch football viewing entertainment. We're
on tens, n x l a M, Jaguars dot com,
(41:46):
and Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It's Jaguars Happy Hour. That one's pleasure.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Sure, Season six, episode one. All right, let's go there.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You have it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
The Hunt back tonight, seven o'clock on Jaguars YouTube, featuring
unprecedented access into the leadership changes for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I'm told it's thirty six minutes long.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
One nice, very good.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's almost like hopcorn in a cold wooden territory. That's
enough time to do both. Oh yeah, I'll be uh.
I'll have a cold drink and watch it tonight. I
don't know about popcorn. No, not a popcorn.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I like pop but I like popcorn movies.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I like them. This is damn. I mean, they might
as well get to sun Dance with this thing. That's
how long this thing is. And they've done a great
job with it. They really have.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
I mean the whole crew, all the way top to bottom,
from kavanav of course to the canvas. Everet Sullivan kind
of leads the charge on this side of things, and
I mean we can go through the list here, but
Trent Padilla and Gabby Dalton have been working their tails
off over there. Andrew Curry ho the access given by
the football side. I mean, you'll see it tonight. I've
(43:30):
seen bits and pieces logs. The whole thing's going to
be fantas Yeah, looking forward to that. I will me
and the wife, Terra, we will definitely be watching that tonight.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Is that her name. I'm kidding, Yes, you know very well.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I know very well. Of course, we will definitely watch
that tonight. And you know, we always try to find
something to watch. But I can tell you this that
is on my list, like top five is when that
stuff comes out, you know, and I know all the people.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I mean, it's i mean it's almost like we work here.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's amazing, well imagine that, but it's still got I
mean the access that you get in the entertainment that
you get from it I think is outstanding and I
would recommend anybody that has not watched The Hunt that
do not miss this year's The Hunt series because it
(44:25):
is must watch TV if you're a football fan, if
you're looking to be entertained. This is great stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Looking forward to seven o'clock Eastern tonight. Jaguars YouTube. They'll
stream it live there.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
It will be on the Jaguars website at some point
very soon as well, so check that out. Jaguars Happy
Hour presented by Dream Pinders Homes, official homebuilder of the
Jacksonville Jaguars off season program. Next week, veterans will be
in first impressions for the head coach and the strength
and conditioning staff. And then we're closing it on the
(45:01):
NFL Draft three weeks away and the draft party this
year at Lemon Bar. Logs at the Lemon Bar.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, that's right, that's where we'll be.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
No, we're going to be here, Oh, but the party
will be out. I don't want to be where the party.
I mean, maybe you could go out there and report back.
Can I be like a remote? I'm sure that would
go very well for you. Yeah, that'd be great. I'm
looking forward to the draft. I've been watching film for
the last couple of weeks, and I think it's going
(45:33):
to be a very interesting draft. And when I when
I said this earlier, there was kind of a reason
why I said that I would love to see the
Jaguars trade down just because they can accumulate some more picks.
But then also there's a lot of players that are
really close together. How do you get that after you
get past that elite group right at the top, and
(45:54):
more picks means better chance of hitting. And you've got
a great, great group of guys that are going to
be available in that eight to fifteen, sixteen seventeen. The
grades are they're going to be so close together that
you can get great value there. But you just you know,
again said this before, but you got to be willing
(46:18):
to find somebody that's wanting to trade up.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
To do that. It takes two to tango.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
There's more people that are willing to trade back than
are willing to trade up. I think that's yeah. You
always talk about we always hear about, oh, trade, this
could be a trade machine. Here we go, trade, trade, trade,
and then draft night rarely does something happen.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I mean, look, sometimes I think in the last couple
of years the frequency of trades though have gone up.
So it was the last year and we've never been
around the mindset of James Gladstone and Liam Comb, so
we don't know kind of what their mo is. I mean,
they've got an opportunity to create their own m O.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Correct, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I mean, we know we can follow the track record
in l A a little bit of what they did there,
but I mean he was more in the scouting side
of the draft than well. And I think the other
thing too, that is incredibly important. Every team has a
great opportunity after the draft to still continue to add
talent to the I was trying to think of the environment.
(47:20):
Is that what the ecosystem? I know you've been a
while for two weeks, but you forget ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Come on, man.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
And I'm really looking forward to that because that was
something that James Gladstone handled personally for the Rams and
they've done a great job in that category with the
undrafteds and so I know a lot of people are
fired up about what the Jaguars will be able to
do in the draft, and there's no doubt that that's
(47:49):
the highest level of talent that you can add to
your roster, but it doesn't end there. I'm looking forward
to seeing what they are are also going to do
after the draft and the undrafted hard Final Four this weekend.
Do you care who's in the Final four? All the
number one seats? I heard that Florida is in. They
are one of the number one seats. Who else is in?
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Duke Duke? Who are the others?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Cameron crazies? Right?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Are they still considered the Cameron crazy?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
They are? Yes?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Oh, Auburn, Auburn Duke, Florida, Houston and who Houston? Houston?
All right? Who you're rooting for?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
You don't care. Who do you think is gonna win?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Duke Duke? Are they that good? They're I think they're
pretty good. I mean from the two games I watched
them in the tournament. I don't know. I don't know
anything else.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Virginia is not in the Final four. They're not going
to be there for a while. I don't think it
might be a minute. Alabama blewet. I'll watch the Final four.
I haven't watched the basketball game yet, but I'll watch.
I'll watch the final wins the first game Saturday. No, Yeah,
Saturday Saturday. What time they're both at on Saturday? One's
(49:00):
at six o'clock Saturday, Saturday Saturday, and they're back to back.
Got a concert I'm going to Oh what have we got?
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Is it a competing billy strings? Whoa sweet? Yeah? You
got an extra one extra ticket for.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
He will come to be a third wheel for that concert.
Maybe so at the end. Uh huh yeah, yeah, great show.
I've heard he's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I've seen him.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I've heard nothing but good things.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Great to see you again, Great to be so too.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
And uh, next week, you can educate me on basketball
a little bit. Well, not me, because you're asking a
wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I need some help. I didn't watch any all year.
I need some help.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I don't know anything about basketball. I guess next week
we'll probably talk about the NFL Draft again, well, of course,
because it's the most important thing for this franchise. And
I'll give you a breakdown of some of the off
defensive lineman I think this team needs it.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Oh, I like that that's coming up next week. Thanks
for listening.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Thanks to our entire crew, David, Joe, Brent Reaber, Joe
Fortunado for Jeff Logiman, I'm JP Shadrick, and this is
Jaguar's happy hour.
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