Pete Prisco and Tony Boselli Celebrate Jaguars' First Victory Monday | Jaguars Happy Hour - Jaguars Happy Hour

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's Victory Monday, October seventh.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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I'm happy to be back for my second straight Happy
Hour and it's Victory Monday. It's so much better on
Happy Hour for a victory Monday. Got a great offensive
out put from the team yesterday, their first win of
the season coming up today. We're gonna keep it real.
Of course, we will answer your fanatic fan questions and
a lot of stuff to go over. It was not

(00:46):
a perfect win by any means, but it's a lot
easier to go over things after a win as opposed
to what we have been dealing with. So let me
welcome everybody in CBS Sports Senior writer Pete Prisco, Hall
of Famer Tony Biselli is with us today. And it's
a victory Monday. How how relieved should we be? And
is this just the Colts being the cults or did
the Jaguars do some good things?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Listen, first and foremost. I think you got to give
the Jags the credit. I mean that's an NFL team,
and every team has injuries. Now, you could argue they
had a bunch. I mean their best player on offense
was out. I think they were better off with their
backup quarterback Frankly, and I think they had five or
six defensive starters and some key ones up front like

(01:28):
no Buckner, no Quidye Pay. They also another guy back
in camp, Sam bankou Or. I can't say yeah, you
want to say it because it's not in front of me,
and I I'm gonna butcher it. So I apologize. But
with that said, I mean we have injuries where without

(01:50):
a starting corner, where without people too, I mean that's
the NFL pete. But I think more than anything and
we can I want to talk about the offense. Well
we're gonna talk about both. Because the defensive collapse in
the fourth quarter giving up twenty four points, oh my,
I mean we got to talk about that. But overall,
the biggest thing that stood out to me and the
reason they won this game, forget about the opponent, is

(02:12):
because they made plays when they had to, and they
made plays that were there I mean, you go back
to Miami, if they make plays that are there, they
win the game. Probably if you go back to Houston.
I mean two deep shots. I mean Trevor hit those
this week. He did and he didn't that week and
probably the difference of winning. I mean, so you can

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do that every week and people all the time says, oh,
we could have we should be you know, four and one.
I'm like, Okay, that's how losing organizations talk like, start
talking about if we did this, right, Yeah, you didn't,
So let's not worry about that. But let's also celebrate
what you did this week, which is played really good football,
especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I think Tony you mentioned this is the offense
we were hoping to see, right, we were going to season
seeing all these weapons, kind of hoping Trevor could make
that jump and find all of them and then the
running game.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
But I'll say this, yes, I agree with you, kay,
But the reality is is the reason they were productive
in my opinion, because I thought they were productive against Houston.
I mean, the quarterback, Trevor just didn't play well and
he played outstanding on Sunday. But the big key is
and Pete, I don't know if you agree with me
or not. The offensive line back to back weeks played

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outstanding football. And I'm the like, I'm the biggest O
line apologist because I think it's the most important once
you have a quarterback. There's nothing more important on a
team than establishing an offensive line that can set the
tone for the entire team. And I thought they played
just not good football for three weeks. You know, as

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a unit, we can break down each individual. Actually we're
not going to do that. It is what it is.
The last two weeks they played really good football. Now
they have moments, like every offense line is moments during
a game where you're you wish he was cleaner in
certain places and everything else. But overall, you go watch
the last two weeks and especially Indie, they were dang

(04:10):
right dominant at times in physical and pushing people and
getting to the next level. And Pete, I was critical
of this group. I said they look like they bought
a ticket on certain plays of watching, not one time
in that Indie game did I feel like guys were
stopping before the whistle.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I mean there were a couple not Cam Robinson did
it on a run and play and his man came
down and made the play. Anton Harrison did it on
a run and play and his guy came down.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
That finish, that finish that you like.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
You always talk about backside on the backside, particularly if
they hold those just for a little bit longer, then
the runner gets up the field and that guy doesn't
come down and make the tackle.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So there were a couple, but it was better, Okay,
I'll give you so. It always can improve. It's never perfect.
It's never as good as you thought it was. When
you go watch the tape, and it's never as bad
as you thought it was, except for the rare instances
on both sides. I thought watching the tape this morning,
they played winning football, and they played outstanding football. One pressure, No,

(05:16):
it's not a great pass rush group, but I don't care.
One pressure in today's football, that's a great job. That's
an outstanding job. You go look at it.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
The rookie from UCLA had been getting pressure.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
And he did not. He got nothing. He got nothing.
And then if you watch the run game, like my
only criticism the way tanks going, you gotta give more
than ten carries or eleven carries whatever, you're twelve whatever
he had. I like, let's feed the rock to hymns
more because the way he's running and the way that
offensive line blocked the last two weeks, it's really it's

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really fun to watch. So kudos to the group because
listen at zhe to four and all the noise. You know,
if you go back to last week, we had reports
of Doug losing the locker room, which every player says ridiculous.
You had questions of what's going on, and you know,
pointing fingers and you know this group and that group,

(06:10):
and all the noise. Fire this guy, fire them. I mean,
it was the fire fest last week. If you were
on X and in those situations you find out what
kind of team you have. I think I really believe
in what kind of locker room you have. And I
give those guys a ton of credit, starting with Doug
and his entire staff and all those guys in that

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locker room, because it's the easy button is just to
check out and just think about yourself and do whatever's
best for you as an individual. The hard thing is
digging in and saying, hey, this is a long season.
No one thinks we can do it. We do. Let's
play the type of football we believe we can. Let's

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continue to get better each week. And that's what they did.
And it was a great offensive performance, and I'll say this,
it was a really good defensive performance. With three quarters,
it kind of went away. And at the end of the.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Let me get to the to the elephant in the room,
and that's the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
The quarterback looked different. And I know you talked we
can talk about the offensive likease. I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
They played well, but the quarterback tightened up a lot
of things. And I went back and watched last week's
game and compared it to this week's game. The motion
was quicker, the long stride was shorter. I think he
got back to his basics. And when you see the
ball coming off his hand, it came off differently. You
know the shot down the down, the down the field
that it was an effortless, easy throw and it wasn't

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a long stride. He was clean in the pocket. And
I went back and I compared it, and I don't
know if he saw it setting him out to the
throw last week where he was long striding and not
his feet weren't facing the right direction.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I think he went back to his basics. Antony.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
We talked about this a lot last week. The kid
was playing robotic football. He really was, And I the
more I thought about it, I didn't even say this
last week, but the more I thought about it.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
All they preached into him last year was.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Don't turn it over, don't turn it over, don't turn
it over, don't turn it over. Well on he turned
it over one time in those four losses, so mission accomplished.
But he wasn't playing quarterback. He's playing robotic football.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think he's playing it to he's safe.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yes, that's exactly what it was.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Pete. I might take a little I might take a
little bit different position on this. I'm not saying you're wrong.
And because I didn't, I mean you, I didn't study
and compare the footwork and everything week to week. So
and Pete, I trust Pete's you know eyes, and he
does his work watching film. I think the reason one
of the reasons. I think also the coaching staff handled
it the right way in game planning this week. If

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you go watch the first quarter, every throw was a
checkdown or a quick stick route underneath. And I think
it goes back to what we talked about last week.
On the show, the three of us about almost like
a a three point shooter who can't hit the broadside
of a barn. Hey, let's get some layups. Let's see

(09:04):
the ball go through the net. And I think what
they were saying, I think they simplified it. And basically
I don't know this for sure, but watching the tape
is like, if the first guy's not there, check it down,
first guy, check it out, just like, let's get completions
and then give those backs and tight ends and the
receivers a ton of credit because what they did is
had some really nice run after the catches where they

(09:25):
broke tackles and turned three to four yard games into
seven and eighths.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
And I think Tony, even those throws to the sideline
came out differently.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm not I'm not disagree with you, but I'm saying
I like what they did. They didn't come out saying
we're gonna just open it up, take shots and go
for like we're gonna give him some easy throws. And
then as you watch the game progress, now all of
a sudden you start getting those shots, and all of
a sudden, he's comfortable and he's got his confidence and

(09:58):
he's seeing it and he's feeling it, and he's being
smart with the football. I mean outside the one which
I just think he was convinced Brian Thomas uh Thomas
Junior was going to just win no matter what if
there were three guys. It was a terrible decision. He
had Kirk like, listen, that's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, but there should have been a penalty for the
linebacker got his hands on Kirk, you know, knocked him
off his route. But once Kirk got up, he should
have should have went here.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
On that one.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
He predetermined where he was going with the football. That
was a prestat predetermined and he does that. Sometimes you
can't do that.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Every quarterback that does that. Sometimes every quarterback wants to
take a shot. They got their guy running the route
they like, and they just think it's gonna be there
and they make their mind up. That happens.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Unfortunately, when he threw that ball, we were watching on
TV and I said, and I couldn't see it on
on the thing, but I said, I guarantee you as
somebody underneath wide open, because usually when there's three guys around,
somebody on those places open. And a minute and then
when I want to watch the tape today. So well,
there's Cook Kirk in the middle of the field, but
there should have been a penalty. Yeah, and they didn't

(11:10):
call that, you know, Tony. The one thing I give
them credit for. They rather slot fade to the big
fella for the long get Yeah, huh, that was different.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Let me tell you one thing. You better not sit
even for a half a second. I'm Brian Thomas Jr.
Because that kid and the funny thing watching it from
the booth. As soon as he caught it, I'm like,
done gone. There's nobody on that field catching Brian Thomas Jr.
It's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
And the still in air trying to die.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It was awesome. I loved it.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
They cut that kid today. The Colts, by the way,
did that.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, well he probably should because I know the coverage
that because being with Gus, I know exactly what coverage
that was. And he's not supposed to sit. He's supposed
to be over the That's what Brian said.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
He's like, he looked and he's like, oh, did Trevor
already throw it? Like why is he doing that? He's like,
oh no, and he's.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Not supposed to sit. He's supposed to be over the
top and in that coverage and TV give Trevor corn. Yeah,
the corner is the outside corner. It's a combo and
if if number two goes vertical, that outside corner has
got to get over to be over the top. And
he sat and you just can't do that.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
I don't know what he was. He was sitting on
the shorter route with.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, but the underneath, the other core, the inside corner
is supposed to is the flat player. It's it's it's
it's a combination cover too. They it's they change it up,
and that corner is supposed to trying to trap the offense.
That corner is supposed to sit in the flat and
he has underneath route which they're happy to let you throw.

(12:46):
Go throw that four or five yard pass. That's fine.
That outside corner is supposed to be over the top.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Right, and that's the play that will hurt you.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
And so you're trying to track. It's what it is.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
It's a variation of cover too. You just switch it up.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's exactly right, exactly right, and so but listen, offensively,
Trevor was great. Tank Bigsby had a day, not just
a day. He had a day that he has played
well all year. He played great in the preseason, he
had a great camp. And I got a lot of

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heat at the beginning of the year when I said
that I thought Travis Bigsby, I mean Tank Bigsby was
the best pure running back, and everyone thought I was
taking a shot at Travis. I think Travis is a
I love Travis on our team, and Travis can do
so much in the passing game, and he gets in
space and he's explosive. But as a pure running back
between the tackles, Tank has a physicality and the ability

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to cut in the hole and be patient that I
just think is unique, and I would be giving him
the ball more. Now. He got lucky on the first Touchdow.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
He got pushed in.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, the ball comes loose before he comes in, and
that ball bounced right back to him, And that could easily,
as it was sitting on the turf, been picked up
by anyone else. Now it would have been reviewed because
it's really close whether he crossed or not. But I
watched the replay and that that ball's moving and he's
trying to secure it before he crosses. Now, what they

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would have called. Who knows, but I think the only
thing he fell on it though, so it didn't matter.
My point is, Pete, that thing was sitting in the
end zone by itself for a little bit, and if
the Colts would have fallen on it, it would have
been a disaster. I'm just saying, let me say something
about him, real peop.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Okay, somebody put on Twitter he reminded me of somebody.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Stop. He does not. He does not remind him of
him unless he's unless he's two thirty and runs four
two nine and can he gives it and can jump
cut two gaps at one time. Yeah, I don't want to.
I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
He's compared to a guy who should be in can
and that's not fair to the guy again.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
And it's not fair to the kid either. Yo.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
There's a couple of runs that I will be a
little technically critical on for him, and you'll you know
what's one I'm talking about where he should have just
kept going straight and try to pop it to the side.
Then and then there was a run late in the
game where if he just hits it right up in
the rights of the guard instead of pop it to

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the outside, he gets about four or five yards instead
of none.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
But here's the thing. But here's the thing with that,
he's a young backstill. This is really, this is really
his first opportunity to see it. And I remember because
I was on the team when he was a rookie.
The greatest running back in the history of this franchise,
and I agree with Pete should be in the Hall
of Fame, Fred Taylor. And there were times when Fred
would try to do too much because he had the

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ability to do anything he wanted.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Let me try this out.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
And if you watched him progress as he matured as
running back, there was nobody better than finding the hole
and getting north and south and finishing runs. And so
that's just reps and that's just you know, him doing
it more and more. And and this is what I
always want to remind everyone. Rarely, if ever is are

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is an individual going to play a perfect football game.
There's always when you watch the tape, something that something
you can get better at. I played a lot of
football from high school to college in the pros. Never
once in my entire life have I played a game
and watched the tape and said that was perfect. There

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wasn't one play I could have done better. It just
does not work that way, especially the higher you are.
And I'm not saying you're wrong, Pete, I'm not saying
you're wrong.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
The kid, the kids, the kid has improved greatly. Also
looks like he's leaner by the way.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I didn't know he was that fast. Did you know
he was that fast? I think no.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
I think he's leaned up from a year ago, and
I think that shows in the way he runs a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
When he got in the open field against India, I'm like, oh,
he'll get caught. Someone will catch him, one of the
DB's and he just try to pull away from people. Yeah,
what did does anyone know what he ran in the
forty at the combine? I'll find out.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
We'll check out which we're gonna go to break real quick,
draft the guy in the first round.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Okay, we're not going to talk about that, all right.

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Speaker 6 (17:47):
Hunkering down and not looking and listening to anything, honestly,
and I'm going to continue to do that even when
you have a good game. I mean, it's that stuff
doesn't matter. You know, you can't listen to the good
or the bad. So I do think stuff that does
get through, And I'm sure there's a lot of questions like.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
What's going on with Jacks, what's this? What's that?

Speaker 6 (18:05):
After four weeks and good, you know, we'll use that
as a chip on our shoulder and have that us
against the world of mentality and bring us closer together.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
And I think that that's what good teams do.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
So but I also think you don't want to let
that stuff creep in because it's really about the guys
in that building and the work we put in, and.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
You know, it's I'm just proud of the group. It
is a great.

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That's quarterback Trevor Lawrence says he's not listening to outside noise. Pete,
you felt like he played a really complete game yesterday,

(18:45):
and obviously you felt we talked a little bit about
just his confidence not being there. Do you think he's
back on track?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I do.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I do, And and again, you know, the weapons help,
the protect shouldn't really helped. But I just saw a
different guy out there. The way he threw the ball,
the way the ball came off his hand, the mechanics
were better. When you have a tendency as a long strider,
the ball goes high. That's usually the way it is.

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And I think he tightened it up a little bit
and the ball was more accurate. And I think that's
the biggest thing he made it the throw. Look, the
throw he made to Thomas is a seven on seventh
throw that any NFL quarterback should make. But he made
it easy. That was an easy flick of the wrist.
Ball there, boom, God, play over. And I think that's
been the difference with him this year. Nothing has looked easy.

(19:37):
It hasn't looked easy at all, not the entire season.
And so I think this is the first time where
it actually looked like he was playing free, loose, comfortable,
and he made it look easy. And I think that's
the biggest difference between the early games and this one.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I love that he says he doesn't listen to anything.
That'd be my advice to any.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
He's also lying I had to do this age.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
If I could tell my younger self, especially in this age,
I don't even have social media. I don't even look
at the paper, don't look at anything like just be oblivious.
I would. I would have tried feet every little thing
that I wrote about that team and the law I

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didn't say I did a good job with it. That's
my advice to a younger Tony.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
And you could have given yourself that advice.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
There's no way that would ever.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You don't think You don't think I could pull that
off feet.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Like me saying that I would never listen to what
guy said about me.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
One side note, and I don't want to. We don't
have to dive into this too much. I sure appreciate
how Trevor handles himself at the podium. Yes, I just
really do. And I and since he doesn't listen to anything,
he I'll hear this, But I appreciate it. I really
like good, bad and different. He shows up, he answers questions,

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he's respectful. It's not easy, especially after what he's been
through the first four weeks. He hasn't played the way
he wanted to. Team hasn't played through the expectations. People questioning.
He hears even if he doesn't read it, he hears the
noise and it just doesn't He doesn't allow it to
impact how he communicates to the fans, which is through

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the media. And I appreciate that. And that's not easy,
and all joking aside. Pete's probably right, there's no chance
in it. You know what, I would not read stuff
and I got And Pete will tell you I got
crusty with the media at times when it was going bad. No,
it's shocking. I know, kay shocks you. And sometimes that's fine.
I'm not saying it's wrong to get crusty with the

(21:51):
media sometimes, but I just like, as the quarterback, it's
hard because everything's on you. It was much easier as
an offensive lineman than the quarterback. So I appreciate that.
The second thing I would say is, and Pete, I've
always been I've been a believer that Trevor is gonna
win super bowls. Here at ozen four. I believe that.

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I mean, he's our guy, and I hope Pete is
right that this was a turning point. He's gonna be
tested next week against the Bears. That is a really
good defense and Eba Fluis is a very good defensive
coordinator and that's a good front seven. That line's gonna

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be tested, and I think they're up to it, and
Trevor's gonna be tested, and so this is gonna be
a good next step. I'm glad we had this success
we did, so there's confidence going into that game because
this is gonna this is gonna look ugly at times,
and that's okay. NFL games are ugly at times because
when you play really good teams with really good players,

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it's not always perfect. And this is where and this
is why I go back to for the offensive line,
where finishing is so important, because if you have that
finishing attitude, and not just offense line, but the whole team,
sometimes sometimes ugly turns into points and turns into victories.
It doesn't have to be perfect all the time, but
just that physicality and that finish in that attitude. Sometimes

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we'll just produce the success you need. And I especially offense,
our offense against this defense coming up. And we're not
going to dive too much into the Bears, cause we
have plenty And I want to talk about this defense.
Our defense. That's a good defensive side of the football,
and it's and it's an ascending offense. If you look
at the last two weeks, what they've done. Now you
can question the opponents and everything else.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, the opponents have been very good.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I agree with that people, But people can say the
same thing about what we just did against the Colts.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
That's true, no difference, that's true, but they're not the
Colts on as bad as the Caroline Panthers.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Though on defense you could argue right now with the injuries,
it might not be much of a difference. Best player. Yeah,
I look, I'm not, I'm not. I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Before we get to the Bears, I want to say
something about Trevor real quick, and you touched on something
I think is the guy handles himself like a pro
when he comes to the podium, in large part because
he was forced to as a as a rookie. Remember,
he used the face of the franchise.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
We had a head coach. He couldn't get out of
his own wife.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
So the head coach, the head coach wouldn't wouldn't answer
the question. So he put the quarterback up there every
single week. And so I wanted to say something about that.
But here's the number two part of that, Tony. Pretty soon,
that's all you're gonna get from these players.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, I know they're changing the locker room rules, which
I read that article ridiculous. I read that article and
I said, Pete Prisco right now is cursing here, Pa
just cursing him? It makes no sense to me. Well,
I don't want to dive into piece.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
You're saying it's sad to the players because you might
not get to know these guys anymore the way you
used to be able to get to know guys, and
I think that hurts them to the fans, and I
think it we're always a conduit to the fans.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I just show what we're conduit to the fans. Pe'te.
I agree with you, You know I do, because I thought
the relationship with the media number when I enjoyed the
back and forth. We had great beat writers like Pete
and John Osher and you know calmnists like Mike Bianchi
and Fornt. I mean it was we had a good time.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Oh you just didn't want to say. For those that
don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
NFL.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, the NFLDH I put out a notice that they
don't want the media in the locker room during the week.
It doesn't apply to postgames, so it's just during the
week hang out. That's how you kind of talk to players,
build that relationship.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Everything from the podium.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Basically, they want everything from the podium. I think it
was like that in twenty twenty, so they kind of
want to go back to that. And so basically you
can go in, but you have to ask a player,
and if they want to go outside to talk to you,
that's where they will talk to you instead of in
the locker room.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And I think with the PA, to take the PA side,
they're saying the locker room should be for players only,
which I get. The second thing is I think they
look at social media and they feel like that is
becoming a major condo to the fans.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
And they can communicate themselves and they.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Can communicate what they want to communicate to the fans.
Now that's all being true, I still think you lose
something because you get information, you get a perspective that's
different from the media, and especially those local beat writers.
I really always appreciated what I mean back when I played.
I mean those guys, I mean Pete, they worked like dogs.

(26:22):
I mean they were and sometimes I wanted to kick
them and.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Some guys actually trying and some guys did.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I did not, but you did not. But I but
I appreciated the back and forth with the media back
then and ended up becoming pretty good friends with a
lot of them. The Pete's one of my good friends.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
So well, here's Tony, here's my problem with it.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, and I'm I know we're gooding off track here,
but I.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Just think it needs to be said because I think
it's it's not great for the fans.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay. Social media is there.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Guys can send out their whole message, right, There's no
doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
One of the things that I always prided myself on.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
And you will test to this because you know, if
I wrote something that was contra versil, I showed up
the next day and I took my heat, and I
didn't mind taking the heat. Now, we had some guys
Mike Bianki who always wrote something and said I'm.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Not going there on Monday going.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
He would disappear, Yeah, I go, you're going.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
And I tried to talk him into going and he
wouldn't go. And I think that's a terrible thing. But
that's what's gonna happen. That's where they're headed. If I
were covering the Jaguars and there's no locker room access
and the only way I can get to players I
request him and he comes outside and talks to me.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Well, what about when I write something.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Critical of the team or the organization or whatever I got,
I can't go in the locker room and face my music.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I'm going to accountability.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, no accountability, right, And so I think that's part
of the problem.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, that's fair. That's a great perspective. Bet. I didn't
think of that, but I think you're right. Let's come back.
When we come back, I let's let's talk about the defense.
Because as big of a story that the offense was
that they've showed up and they executed and they played well,
and they were explosive and put points on the board
at a high rate, it was a defense that almost

(28:09):
felt like it forgot how to play the last quarter.
I mean, gave up ten points in three quarters, seven
in the first drive, and then locked it down and
then gave up twenty.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
That was a fourth down conversion for the touchdown, that's.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Right, and then gave up twenty four in the fourth. Yes,
that's a problem there, that's a problem.

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Speaker 7 (28:56):
It was big.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
It's good to see him, you know, take this step forward.
He and the d line have been really close to
get into the quarterbacks here in these first you know,
month of the season, and I'm proud of those guys
for the way they've stuck together and.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Continue to work Ted coach Doug Peterson talking about Trayvon
Walker the day he had yesterday. Welcome back to Happy Hour. I'
Kindannie Stevens, Tony Biselli, Pete Prisco with us here today,
and let's talk a little bit about that defense because
they played. Some players played well, but there were issues.
And I say specifically in the fourth quarter, Tony you
mentioned I do the postgame interview. I went out there,

(29:32):
They're up two touchdowns. I was like, Oh, it's fine,
and then all of a sudden the games tied. Oh
never mind.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
My wife left early. My wife and daughter and son
all left.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Early, missed all the fun.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
And I'm driving home and like, I'm like, where are you?
And I got already home, Like oh, She's like, we
just left at the it was over. Like what do
you mean when'd you leave? She was, we are four teams,
like five minutes left, Like the whole game happened in
the life five minutes. Let's start with Trayvon and then
we'll get into the fourth quarter. Let's start positive the two.

(30:05):
The third sack was just terrible execution by the Cults
of what they're trying to do. They're trying to get
flap outside so you could throw a bomb. And Trayvon
did the smart thing. He just ran inside and know
one touched, Yeah, so take that. Yeah that's ended again.
He picked off, but he had another one. He had
some really nice rushes and and I think part of

(30:29):
it is like Trayvon is who Trayvon is. Trayvon is
not going to be get on your edge, swat, spin,
swat the hands, spin whatever. He is going to be
a speed and then power you impress you to the
quarterback and come off and get on an edge. And
I think what he did to that to Braden Smith,

(30:49):
the right tackle, who's a good player. I mean he
hammered with him with power early and that and and
Trayvon is a strong guy and got Braiden worried about
the power and started to lean where now he could
go to work. And I thought the biggest play of
the game looking back was the sack fumble at the
end of the first half. Huge. I thought that was

(31:10):
the biggest play because the Colts were getting ready to go.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
We had just turned it up there, we had just
turned over.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Gabe Davis with the fumble. They have it and get
a first down. Now they're near midfield probably, you know,
plenty of time, they had timeouts, they could have got
a couple more plays and gotten field goal range. And
now all of a sudden, we're down thirteen ten, going
a halftime, and all of a sudden, you look up.
I was on the field because I was getting ready
to do Tom's and Conflin's induction, and you see Tray

(31:42):
Vaughn get the strap the sack strip, Josh picks it up.
Cam Little's walking out to the field. Thirteen ten were up.
It's a six point swing, and the game ended up
being a three point game. But I always got three.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
It's a six point swing.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, I think they would have my point. I mean
to first down Spete and they you know, but let's okay,
let's just say three points went fine. End up being
a three point game, but more more than the end
result because a lot of things happened the last five minutes,
which we're about to talk about. It was the momentum
and the feeling going into halftime.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yes, and that's the sha what we had feeling.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It was the opposite and knowing you're getting the ball
back and knowing like, hey, we just made a play
when we had to and defense, and like there was
there was energy in the whole building, and you know
there's energy in that locker room. I just thought that
was such a It was a great rush by Trayvon.
It was good to see him get going because I think,
you know, people have been critical and he hasn't been
getting a lot of pressure and everything else, and they

(32:43):
look at PFF and win rate and all this different stuff.
Bottom line is he played a heck of a game.
He's been very good against the run all year. He's
very physical and if he can get that pass rush
going like he did on Sunday, it's gonna be a
It's gonna be huge because now you have both sides collapsing.
And if you watched Flacco for a lot of that game,
after the first drive, the pocket was getting squeezed by

(33:05):
bullsa by both Josh and Trayvon, which was nice to see.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yeah, if they only had a little pressure into the middle.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
They that's still a struggle the internal pressure.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, look, Trayvon Walkers. Look, the problem is he's being
compared to a Hutchinson.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
That's the problem.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Who's because he's a good football player. Is a good
football player, and if you look at his sack numbers.
His sack numbers are impressive, and that was a good performance.
I mean on the on the the one sack that
was was did heinds Allen get credited with the one sack?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think he did.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, But well, what.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Happened there is Trayvon wins. Trayvon is inside is actually
getting pushed down by Braden Smith, so he wouldn't have
gotten the sack, but he made Flacco move enough, and
Josh had a really nice power rush on the other side,
and as soon as Flacco moved a foot to get
out of the way of Trayvon, there's Josh making the sack.

(33:59):
So really good complimentary football by both guys.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, but that's why he gets compared to Hutchinson.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
That's the biggest part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, but that's the way it's going to be, Pete,
because this organization had an opportunity to pick Traymon Walker
or Aiden Hudchson as the first overall pick, and Aiden
Hutchson going into last week at least or this week. Yeah,
probably still because they had to buy I believe had
the highest win percentage. It does, and he has the
most pressures in the league. The most pressure's highest win
percentage in like six and a half sas after four games,

(34:30):
and they didn't play this week. They didn't play this week, right,
And so that is what it is. And my message
because listen, I got friends and on text messages and boy,
they'd like to wear out that point a lot. My
point is like, Okay, that's the past.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
That will never change.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's never changing. So Trayvon Walker is our defensive end.
And let me tell you what I know about Trayvon Walker.
He's a supreme athlete who's really physical and disruptive every
game I've watched him in the run. He is a
guy who can power rush you and make it very
uncomfortable for offensive tackles and push the pocket. Would I

(35:08):
like him to take his rush game up a level
to have more consistent wins and more pressure. Absolutely, But
right now where he's at as a player is really
good on first and second down. Physical, Like, not many
tight ends are gonna block Terry.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Von Walker, not by themselves.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Not by themselves. He beats up offensive tackles a lot
of times in the run game. He just needs to
continue to improve his pass rush to be to be
more consistent. Yeah, but he's like but Tony.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
There were flashes of that Sunday where like you said,
he was going smack Dad with his power, and then
he started getting.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well because he would still power, but then he'd get
on an edge, turn the shoulder, get up field, squeeze
the corner. He had some nice inside moves, but they're
all like he is a power rusher. He's never going
to be Aiden Hutchinson, who does arm slaps and spins
and rips and everything else and then occasionally powers.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Well, they technically have two power rushers.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And Josh Allen's a power rusher. But let me tell
you what, Aiden Hutchinson will never be the run defender
that Trayvon Walker is no and so like, stop comparing
them because they're always going to be compared. It's okay
fans do that. I'm saying when we talk about them,
I think the focus on the development and what he

(36:33):
does and what he brings to this team. And you
saw that firsthand on Sunday. When he is playing and
has a good rush plan, and especially against tackles who
struggle with any type of power, he is going to
be really effective. Now is he going to struggle more?
When you get a big right tackle. Who's good against power.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yes, we go back to that play real quick.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
They took over with what six seconds last five, but
they kicked the field goal right away.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, and then they ended up because they had to
kick off. Yeah, because Pete, they were at I think
they they were at the twenty five where it ended up.
We'll see right here.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
So you shut down, Thank goodness, because I was like,
he's not gonna make it, and if he runs out
this clock then they're not even Yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Got to the ten. I don't think I would have
taken a shot at the end zone.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Not enough time.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
No, But did they end up kick kicking off?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, thank you forget. Yes, they kicked off and they
took a knee.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Okay, wait they kicked off. Jacksonville kicked off.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, they kicked off for the end zone right only
one second somehow ran off okay, okay, but they had
to time out.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
So if you were going to kick the field goal,
why didn't you take a knee with three seconds, call
timeout and then kicked You didn't have.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
To kick off. Yeah, you could have done that, I think. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
I mean, I'm a again, I'm a stickler for game
management and you don't why even subject yourself to having
to kick off when you didn't need to. They had
two timeouts, So take the staff, take a knee, kicked
the play on the last, very last.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Play the game of the half.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Because there's no way that snap got away. You could
go get it and call time out and kick it on.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
You know what I'm saying. No, No, would you have
Would you have taken a shot five seconds like a
quick slap to the end zone enough time as I
would not even I would not have either, No, but I.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Would have taken I would have taken the knee with
three seconds and then kicked it on the final play
so I didn't have to kick off. What let's just
say in that scenario, if he kicked off, it didn't
make it to the end zone and they returned it
for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Have you watched Cam Little? He can kick it in
those He can kick it in the first row if
he wants to.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Why even subject okay, say pulls his hamstring on the
kickoff that, I mean, why even why even let it
become a factor?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Pete? I actually get your point. I just don't care
enough to engage you in that conversation, right, now I'm
not saying you're wrong.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Hey, Kyle, you know what that means. He freezes me
and he doesn't want it.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, we got to come back because we still haven't
gone to the fourth quarter because I thought this game.
I thought this game was over when we had a
two possession of lead and all of a sudden, Joe
Flacco is throwing bombs to whatever fourteen's they pierce, pierce
and just look and run, running, torturing us just like
a complete torch job. This guy didn't have a target
until the last two dry and they is three for

(39:14):
like one fifty at the end. I'm like, what the
heck happened? All right?

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that defensive collapse, what happened, and what they're going to
try to do to fix it. Welcome back into Happy Hour,

(39:42):
presented by Jet Home Loans, I'm kain Nannie Stevens in
for JP Shatdrick today. He already left for the UK.
We'll see him back next week. Tony Bisselli and Pete
Prisco are with me. We've been talking about getting to
talking about this defense, so let's finally get to it.
Jaguars have a fourteen point lead. Thought things were locked
up a couple of minutes left to play in the
fourth and they were far from that. It's cult able
to tie things up relatively quickly. What was going on

(40:05):
with the secondary?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, if you go back even one drive before, we
were fortunate to flock over through Mohali.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Cox because he was open on that as well.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Now that was just a good route and maybe a
little push off by him. But you're up fourteen and
the year, I believe it was up fourteen with six
minutes left to go in the game, and at that
point like you can't let anything behind you, like you

(40:35):
just like nothing can get behind you. And it starts
with an acrobatic play by Pierce the one handed and
that okay, fine covers by Monterrey Brown. But then they
come right back, they come right back to him with
the deep show.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Those I don't know what those under underneath guys.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right here look at this, like, what are we doing?
How do you let get back?

Speaker 5 (40:57):
That looks like it was on Cisco.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
But I also think if you're Monteric Brown, don't you
have to play over the top Pat? I mean like, yeah,
but you know he's got it.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
He let him get He got no hands on him
at the line of scrimmage. That was a problem.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
And then I would die like I don't know why
he's not bailing and just saying, if you want to
catch a fifteen yard comeback, be my guest.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
But if you go back and look at the overhead
on that, I think if I remember watching that play,
Cisco kind of looks into the middle and hesitates for
a second before he gets over the top on that.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I don't know what it is, but it was bad.
And then and then you have the over route. Yeah
that was then well then we go three and out,
So now's a seven point game, and I'm like, are
you kidding? Here we go and then they get an
over route to piers and like, I don't know what
the backside corner or safety is doing.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Well, he's jumping. You can see him jump.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So I understand that. But if it's covered two, you
don't jump it. You're in the back half. I don't
know what covers you're in or if it's a cover
three and the safety is supposed to be deep because
if you.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Know what it looked like, it looked like watching it
looks like he's a robber.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
That's what I'm saying. So that means it has to
be three because look right, So he's got to because
the other side is playing three.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Right, it looks like it looks like three with a robber.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
And so that's not on Cisco, that's on on the
other split safety or the corner.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Has the other corner the other corner is to carry him.
What's he doing? Yeah, he's got a deep third. I
don't know, but I don't know that was it.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
We're making run Can we run that again?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
We could with the with the with the arrow on it.
In fairness, were kind of making up what covers is
we think it is?

Speaker 5 (42:38):
No, no, you can see it.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
It's it is a three because the guys the safeties
looks they open a split safeties and they look like
they drop.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
They drop it down. I think it's three, but I
don't know. Maybe maybe it was man. Maybe on this
side Montera Brown is supposed to carry him all the way.
Maybe it's man. I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Let's see how he plays it. That is a man.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Well, the other guy's playing man.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
So somebody's wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
But who is I don't know who's wrong. It's not
it's the way Monterrek Brown play that.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
That's not it.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
That's it's It looks like three to me.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Yeah, it looks like three, and it looks like the
corner on the other side supposed to get depth and
play that.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But here's my problem. Up fourteen with six minutes left?
Is that am i? Am I doing the math right?
Or is it four forty two? I can't remember the
clock twice, but anyways, I think it was.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I think it was under five.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, I think it was under five. I think it
was four forty two. Like you like, at that point,
you don't get beat. You know this, nothing gets over
the top. You call a defense and you tell your
guys keep everything in front of us, like make them,
make them take five or six plays to if they're

(43:53):
gonna score, Like make them use clock. And there was
just it was like one shot after another. I'm like,
what the heck is going on?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I mean the look on Ryan Nielsen's face. Put the
camera on him, Oh my god, he looked like he
was shell shocked. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
He had You should have. I'm glad they didn't put
the camera on me because I was like, what are
we doing?

Speaker 5 (44:15):
I guarantee you.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Everybody in that stadium was saying, here they go again,
guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh yeah, I mean, I'd be lying if I didn't think.
In the back of my head. In the back of
my head, I'm like, what are we doing? We cannot
give this away. We've played too well. Now give the
offense credit because they tied up with two, you know,
two twenty left man Trevor got the ball and said okay,
and there was They didn't blink. They worked right down

(44:42):
the field. They used the clock effectively. They forced Shane.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Stike hit a good throw against the blitz.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
They they forced Shane Styke and to start using his timeouts.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Got that big run to get ahead of it too.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
You know what's amazing though? How long was that field goal?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
What was it? Fifty forty nine?

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Were forty nine years.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Ago, they would have never just ran it three times
and settled for the forty nine yarder.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
But these kickers are unreal nowadays.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's like, that's like a thirty five yarder. When I
played Pete it is at that point too, it didn't matter.
It was like, there's no doubt. It was like I
watched him walk on the field like he was calm,
he was worried.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
He's the best fifteen year old kicker I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Is that he's great.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Wa wa when does he turn fifteen?

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I mean it'steen coming up?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
He is, and he's a weapon.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
I mean held that that was forty nine yards and
it could have been good from sixty oh easy and
yeah and and so that's why you play that differently nowadays, Tony.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Back in the day, you would have never run it
three times and just settled.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I don't think you would have. Just you tried to
get you to have tried to get Hall since I mean,
Hall's made some fifty plus feederals, a lot of them,
but you are still trying to get it inside forty.
I would say, yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Nowadays, it's these guys are amazing.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
So it worked out the end, but boy, they made
it interested and the final five minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
But defensively, Like I like the two things that I
worry about with our defense because if you look at
the first four games, they didn't give a lot of
very many points. With the time of possession. They couldn't
get off the.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Field getting Yeah, they were ninety yard drives, eighty yard
drives on.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
The field all the time, and that combined and then
we saw them just fall apart in the fourth quarter
of this game. But really, and then you combine that
with the slow starts. I mean, every team gets outside
of the Dolphins. The Dolphins didn't do much if I
remember correctly, I don't think they scored the first drive.
Maybe they did, maybe they got a field goal. But anyways,

(46:38):
I know the Browns did, I know the Texans did,
and and the Bills and.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
And well they rotated the starters out after one point.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Then here come the Colts and they just marched down
and get seven. Like it's nothing like we got a
fast starter. Get we still have to start faster as
a team.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
We need to talk more about the.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Defense and how to get a stuff when you need.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
One, and get a stop when you got and you
have to get a stop.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Absolutely all right, victory Monday, we finally got some stuff
to talk about. Coming up in the second hour, we
will go all over the details and highlights and some
of the things they need to work on coming up
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Speaker 9 (47:19):
It's more like sometime when you make a big blade,
your mind go blink and your your your instincts takeover.
So and those opportunities come upind like, you don't know
what's you just your your instincts takeovers. But afterwards, you
know it come back to reality and you get get
down and you see I'm like, dang, gots your scroll
and uh, you go out and give my mom the law.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
It felt very dank thiks. We had a day yesterday
two touchdowns, blackedown on that run apparently, but remember to
give the football to his mom, so that's always good.
Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour. Second hour brought to
you by mister Chubby's Wings. Before the game, after the game,
and during the game. It is a victorious happy Hour today.
Tony Pselli Pete Prisco with me. I'm kin Nannie Steven's
in for JP Shadwick and we get to talk about

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a win for once now. A great day from Prevor Lawrence.
We saw two touchdowns, that one interception, but three hundred
and seventy one passing yards. He did a good job
of hitting those throws. We kind of criticized him for
missing the week before, corrected that Jags defense blowing that lead.
As we just discussed, we're up. The Jags are up
by two touchdowns and then all of a sudden they weren't.
But they were able to get the win thanks to

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Cam Little with that huge field goal late a sack
to walk things off. The Jags are now one and four.
The wind doesn't change everything, Tony, but it does make
things a little more palatable when you go back to
look at the tape.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
A win changes everything.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Oh it's everything's different.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I apologize everything. Let me tell you what. The food
tastes better, you're better looking, you like your partner better,
your kids are nicer, Like the sky's bluer. Like it's
everything is better, and it solves everything. It's like I
always say, like if you have a great grist, it

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really doesn't matter what the meat is because the gravy's
so good, you just cover it up. And a win
and coach Kauflin and I were talking about this at
halftime and we were talking about, gosh, we need a win,
we need to win. And I looked at him and
I said, I said, it's a lot more fun coach
making corrections after a win. And he looked at me smiled,

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and he says, you stole that from me. I said, I know,
because it is. It just makes everything better. Now, does
it mean that you're gonna win the next one?

Speaker 6 (49:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Does it mean that you're like you've solved every problem
you have? Noop, But it makes everything better, and it
makes things a lot more fun. And you should energize
you and you should want to go get better, and
you should want to get back on that practice field.
You should want to watch film, and you should want
to get ready for Chicago, because now you know what

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it tastes like and what it feels like. You remember,
it's been a long time. You remember what it feels
like to win, and you want that feeling a lot
more than you want the feeling from the first four weeks.
So to me, winning cures all and now it's what
you do with it that really matters, because its.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Also saves the season. It saves the season. Five you
were dead. Yes, yeah, so it saves the season, it
gives you it, and so from that perspective, you're one
hundred percent correct, Tony.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
It gives you life.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
And now you get on a plane to go to
London and you have life. If they if they didn't
win that game, they go to London lifeless.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Basically, Yeah, I agree. I thought I think it would
have been a disaster because beats right. You go to
London now, and what your thought process is, it's always
one game. But London's unique because you're leaving for two games,
and so you like, just like naturally, you kind of
combine the two and is if you're thinking about you're like, okay,
we got two games. Got to focus only on Chicago

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because it's all matters. But we have a chance to
fly back to Jacksonville in ten days, three and four,
and right in the thick of everything, right in the
middle of it, we're at home, got the packers coming in. Boy,
we can find our way to you know, doing something
with the season after a terrible start. Now, you can't

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get too far ahead of yourself because that's the danger.
But London's unique because it's like you're going to play
two games somewhere like in a unique environment. You know,
one at taught them and one at wimbley. But boy,
it feels Pete's exactly right. You get them that playing,
you're like, hey, all right, that's who we are. Because

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you can tell yourself and you can tell you can
tell yourself to be confident, you can tell yourself, you
can be good, you can tell your stuff. You can
score points and do this and do that. But til
you go do it, there's always that little voice in
the bag going, eh, man, are we gonna get over
the hump? Why can't we finish? Pete's right? So that

(52:00):
voice starts whispering when things go wrong, Oh here we
go again. It's the worst voice. It's the voice you
have to kill because that because you have no chance
if you allow that voice to dominate. And now all
of a sudden, the voice is like, okay, yeah, that's
who we are. Yep, that's who we are. And as
an athlete, professional athay, you can convince yourself based off

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that alone. But you that's what you've been always. You
forget the other for what what games you're talking about?
I don't remember losing? Don't you see what we just did?
And you build on that and get some confidence and
get some juice in the building, get some juice in
the locker room, and go, you know, go do something special.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
I know they'll all say play one game at a time.
When play at a time, that whole spiel that every
player gives you when they really look out and see
what the schedule looks like. But if you look at
you talked about it, Tony, if they go and win
two games, they're both winnable games. By the way, it's
not like there's a dominant team they're going to play.
The Bears are pretty good, but they're not a dominant team.
They're not one of the elite of the league.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So you can win the Bears, worry meet people will
keep yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Because of their defense.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
So if you win those two games and you come
home and you get the Packers at home. Here, here's
what the Texans play the Patriots this week. I'm just
throwing this out there. This is their schedule in a
through October after next week at Lambeau to play the Packers,
which is much tougher to go to Lambeau than is
to play them at home. I don't care what any
you know that hom Agets, the Colston not very good.

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At the Jets on a on a Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
They don't look right now, keep going, but they're pretty
good on defense. Yeah, okay, then the Lions they're.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
At home, then the Cowboys on the road on a
Monday night.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Tough ways.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
So yeah, so their schedule gets a lot tougher.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Their tough as well, Ravens Chief.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
So if you yeah, if they can, if they can
figure it out Jacksonville in the next two weeks and
and you can win those two games, you're in it.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
You'll be in it.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
But again, if they played like they did early in
that game, they can win both those games. If they
play like they did in the fourth quarter, and they're
not gonna win either one of those.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Well, Patriots are very good. But it's not like our
schedule is easy. When we get back for London. If
we're looking ahead, you got the Packers at home, Eagles
on the road, which I think if we unless.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
We don't get no, if if.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
You win the next two, it might not right. Eagles
Vikings only undefeated team at home. Tough, they're good up
at the Lions, one of the best teams in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Then the late by, right, and then we have a bye.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
But then we have the Texans coming here.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Yeah, it's not an easy schedule.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
And then it lightens up after that. I mean, you
close out with the Jets, the Raiders who aren't very good,
the Titans twice, and the Colts again. But and then
well they close out they have the Chiefs and the
Ravens later, and I agree with that. That's why. But
I'm telling you the next seven games, well it really starts.
The next two in London are critical. You gotta go

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win those two because if you come back both, If
you come back two and five, you're done.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
It's not the same.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Well you're you're two and five, you're gonna get flexed.
That's a downer. Then you got Green Bay come in,
you go. You gotta got the Vikings, you gotta go
to Detroit, you gotta go to Philly. I mean, it
gets hard, but I think these are the two most important.
Every game is important. Peach right, players coaches, we say

(55:41):
one at a time, blah blah blah, which is right,
that's how you have to approach it. But we're not
players and we're not coaches, so we can step back
and look at this, it's mandatory they come back to
and oh winning both games in London. If you want
to go do something this year, you got you have
to come back three and.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Four if they don't. If they don't, then we start
talking draft.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Your favorite.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
No, we've agreed on this show we did not talk
draft until we are eliminated from the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
You almost were starting a week ago, we were talking
about the first overall pick.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Well a cow of times the tables have turned.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
We were not talking about the first overall pick.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Have you. We weren't on ere but they were.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
If the draft were held, they would have had the
first overall pick.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I wasn't talking about it, and we will not talk
about it on this show. I have in my contracts,
in my contract the ability to state what we will
not talk about on the show. And we will not
talk about the draft or free agency or any changes
or anything else until we are eliminated from the playoffs.
All right, which I'm hoping will not be talked. Last

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week you did, I didn't correct.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
All right, let's talk a little bit about those on games.
You guys mentioned Chicago, that's the first one up. What
scares you the most about the defense? How can the
Jaguars go about attacking that.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
They got a good front four, they got good path
They put the pressure of the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Well, one really good pressure the quarterback guy in sweat.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, he's a he's
a good player. They are very disciplined. Ever Fuss is
a very good coordinator. They do a good job in
the back half. I haven't watched tape yet, but ever
Fos is known, is known kind of the cover two
two high safety guy and a lot of different he
can do variations off that. It's a sound unit. They
play fast, they play hard. They got talented players. They

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have one really good player in sweat.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Well too, because Jalen Johnson's a really good.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Corner I think, I mean, I'm saying in the front, sorry,
and they got a really good corner. They're they're talented,
well coached.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
The defense, their corners with Johnson, Stevenson and Gordon when
they're playing at their best, that's as good a trio
as there is in a league, as good as there is, so,
you know, and Stevenson probably hasn't played as well as
I thought he would play this year. Johnson's the real
deal and Gordon's a heck of a nickel corner.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
So that group is talented. That group is really talented.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
So if you get pass rushed with coverage, Tony, you
know what that means.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
That's a problem.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I mean, so the point totals they've given up this year,
and for a big part of this with a not
very good offense, an offense that could not get out
of its own way early in one of the games.
They didn't score an offensive touchdown.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
On one, yeah, the first one.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
So they gave up seventeen to Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
They lost the not by the way, isn't a very
good offense.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
But they lost the Texans nineteen thirteen, gave up nineteen
to the Texans, gave up twenty one, lost twenty one,
sixteen to the Colts, gave up eighteen to the Rams,
and gave up ten to the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Okay, the eighteen of the Rams was without Cup and.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm not saying that, but I also watched the Rams
without those two guys put up some points against the
Detroit Lions.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
The Bears are pretty there. I'm not saying it's the
eighty five Bears or anything. But that's a solid unit
that you're gonna it's gonna be one of the I'll
say this, Pete, it'll be one of the better units
we've played so far this year.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Defensively correct, yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
The quarterback is.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Better had he had a one twenty eight rating with
three hundred and ten yards or three hundred one yards
over three hund yards last week, and with the secondary
is here.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
They ran the they ran the ball, which just helped
him with you know, they finally got swift going a
little bit yep, which.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
Has helped it. So yeah, their offensive line in great I.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Thought it better than it is.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
It is not and that's something that Jacksonville cold take
advantage of.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
But you're right.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
When it comes to the deep, that's going to be
your test for him.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
We'll see, we'll see if this offensive line really has
made strides.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
It's I guess the other thing I would say about
the offense and what I what I get concerned about,
not concerned, is if you do maybe a concern is
until this last week, it's not like we were doing
a great job of pressuring opposing quarterbacks. And at times,

(01:00:29):
let's not kid ourselves flack out a bunch of time
back there and through for three hundred and fifty plus yards.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And so as much as we talk about how great
Traybon played, which he did, and how Josh has been
effective all your pressuring, it's not like we're constant a
consistent pressure team with.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Four Well, there's no pressure in the middle at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Real And the one thing that I have seen, and
I've not watched a ton of them, watch a little
bit of it. But if you give Caleb Williams back there, Tom,
it gives him, give him time back there. He has
weapons outside and the kid can sling it and is
unafraid to do it. Now, he does hold it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
He does hold it, That's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
He does hold it. But where is he struggled Pete?
When they get pressure, he starts running around like a
crazy man doing stupid stuff. But if you can't pressure him,
that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I mean, we haven't talked about the interior pass rush,
the non existent interior pass rush.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
That's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
And what could you do to make it better, Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Well, if you had more depth of defensive end, you
could play Eric Armstead in the three technique more often.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
And he played some inside.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
He did, but he's also I mean, the backup ends
for us are Roy Robinson, Harris and Eric Armstead.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
And they should be the interior pass rushers on passing
down like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
You get you watch some of the like against sub
at times that's your four down rush with some combination
of the other guys. So you have four defensive tackles
out there rushing the quarterback. Let me tell you what
that does not do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Put a lot of fear into the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Into the opposing because you know what you're getting. You're
getting at power, you can sit on it. You're not
worried about the speed.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
And Armsteard is not the same player, and he's not
the same player he as inside.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
He just isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
No, And so one of the things you could do
is go get some depth at defensive end, so you
could play Armstead and Walker in the middle more because
they're probably your two best pass rushers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Is there anyone out there to go get right now?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
No? So no, there is no.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
They didn't address it in the offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I never to this day. I don't understand that, and
I don't Maybe he was a bad guy. Maybe he
was bad in the locker room, maybe the coaches. Hey,
I don't know, so I'm not. I'm not. But I
never understood the trade because because we didn't have anyone
to replace him, and you got a six rounder for him.

(01:03:17):
So I didn't understand that move. And the only backup
true defensive ends you kept was Cole who hasn't been
active since Week one. And Abdulah can play end and sub,
but he's we haven't seen great pass rushers from him
since he's been here. I think his natural position is

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much better at SAM but he was hurt last week,
so I didn't play. So I don't know the answer.
I really don't. But you got a pressure, and you
gotta pressure quarterbacks in this league, and if you don't,
they're gonna tear you up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
And and if you only pressure from the outside and
there's no pressure on the inside, they'll just step up
away from it. I mean that they gotta have somebody
push that pocket in the middle. Here's the other thing,
and again I'm gonna go back to my pet peeve.
First series of the of the on defense, get a
first down, off they come, let's bring the backups back in.
Now we'll get the They jumped over the boards. They

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got in their hockey. They keep them over the boards
and it was their turn to play their line. I
don't understand it. Three plays three three plays and they're off.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
What are they doing?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
They're winded, so they keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Fresh for the fourth quarter. Did you see how fresh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
They were late in the game? All right, Sam, real
quick before we go, peak question for you. How is
DeMarcus Walker playing at the other end opposite Sweat?

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Okay, not great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I just haven't watched. I was just looking at their
depth chart and I didn't know. I didn't even know
what DeMarcus Walker signed there. All right, the Gator.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Stay with us here on Jaguars Happy are presented by
mister Chubby's Wings coming back. We are going to keep
it real about the offensive line.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
This is the second week in a row, really that
our line has played good as a unit, you.

Speaker 7 (01:05:05):
Know, and listen, I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:05:08):
It's been the same five guys now right. So when
I say there's continuity keeping those five together, there's continuity
and they start learning to play together, and that's what
you're seeing. I think these last couple of weeks you're
seeing that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
And it was a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:26):
You know, just a great game by those guys again today.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
So that was Doug Peterson talking about the offensive line,
and I agree with him one hundred percent continuity. But
here's my critique, and I'm going to follow up with
something I've discussed on this show with Pete personally, with
anyone who listened to me. This is why you should
play your offensive line and have a bunch more during

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the preseason in training camp because of what he just said.
He's one hundred percent right. The longer an offensive line
plays together, it's a position. You need to be in sync.
You need to communicate, you need to learn how to
play together, you need to get the pad level down,
all things that takes reps to do. And so my

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pet peeve not just with our team, with every team
in this league, not every because some teams do it differently.
I would most don't. Most don't. So how Doug does
it is probably the norm. Is I think that offensive line,
let's take everyone. I would play that. I would practice
them harder in training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Would Can you do that with the way practices are?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
You can do it as much as you like. I mean,
you can do it more than That's not true. You
should maximize what you have and we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
We do not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
We do not. You should maximize and you should maximize
every padded practice you have during training camp. I would
play all five of those guys if they're healthy. Obviously
we have some injuries this camp, so we couldn't. I
would play them extended periods of times. And if guys
are hurt, I said, okay, well I'm not gonna play

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maybe the starter as much this game. But when you're
all healthy, you're playing a long time, like half half
in a you know, a series in the second I
mean why and but you're working.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Against another team, you're playing together.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
You're playing together, and we are gonna and like when
we have a team here, both are gonna be pad
of practices, not just one. Because you as an offensive
lineman you get nothing, actually get bad habits because you
stand up and you don't finish, you don't do stuff.
And so I agree with Doug this one of the
reasons this group is playing together. They've stayed healthy for
the first five games they've played together, and you can

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see them improving, especially over the last two weeks. Well
why because they're working together. They're getting more reps, they're
getting pad level down, they're working better double teams. They're
working to the next level, they're finishing better. That's all
stuff that you should develop in camp in the preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
And Tony, to your point, we're at week five, right, Yes,
the scoring started.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
The scoring started going up again this week because people
are blocking people because the preseason is the first four weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
It's bad football. It's terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
I'm gonna gives an example of it of a play
and I tweeted it out there on Bigsby's run. You
saw Cleveland and Morse had the double and he got
he got off of it. Yeah, and got it a
linebacker and there's there's the whole run up touchdown that
takes work. You can't just simulate that with dummies, you

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know that, Tony, and I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
And I thought on the other side, I thought, I
thought Anton and Sheriff had some nice double teams working together.
I thought it was like good football, it's fun to watch.
I enjoyed this morning. I mean, I mean, I was like,
this is what is supposed to look like. But it's
there's no mystery why it doesn't right because they don't
get enough rip in. What I get what drives me

(01:09:06):
crazy is everyone's afraid of injuries. Why don't get my
guys hurt in the preseason or in camp or what.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah, but playing bad for a quarter of your season
is just as dance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Hold on, why are there more injuries now than when
I played? And we beat the hell out of each other. Now,
I'm not saying you should go back to what we did.
That was probably too far the other way. Two a
days for four weeks, and I mean just the you
know I was. You know, I'm like, Okay, I get it,
I know, but but I'll say this. You go turn

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on the tape early season games. We were playing good football.
We were playing at a level you had to because
everyone else was too.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
And yeah, because you played in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
You played in the preseason, our preseason two to three series,
preseason game one quarter and a half, two a half,
depending how it was going. Preseason two, preseason three full
half and at least one drive in the third quarter,
preseason four or ten.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Plays plus padded practices, a lot more than what we see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Now double days. And when we went to a team
for day it was an all out brawl. It was physical.
And so I get that. I'm not I'm not the
old guy saying, hey, you gotta go back and do
it like that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
I know you can't do it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
It's against the CBA rules the union.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Even if they weren't, you still couldn't do it that
way anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I don't think you have to. I actually think one
practice a day, in getting after it for four weeks
or three or a half weeks, whatever it is, and
playing these guys more in the preseason, I think you
would have a huge advantage opening day because you would
be further ahead, progressing, playing more in sync together. Offensive

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line would be protecting and running the ball better, which
gives your quarterback more time, and your skill guys get
open and everything else, and your back to that room,
you beat up people. It just changes. And so Doug
is one hundred percent right his whole point. Man, I
agree with him. We're seeing better play for one of
the reasons because the continuity and then getting used to

(01:11:17):
each other, understanding each other, getting better pad level, better footwork,
better doubles, better pass protection because they're wrapping it and
they're doing it live and they're going full speed. They
don't do that enough on this team or most.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Of the ANSA around.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
The league, and I just and I don't buy. Oh,
we're worried about guys getting hurt. We've been playing football forever.
And by the way, like I don't remember outside of
two thousand and it was the first padded practice of
the of the of the camp when Leon Sercy tore

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a squad where all five guys were not the starters,
were not their opening day. Now, did a guy miss
a preseason game here or there, or miss a practice
or two, Sure, but you were getting reps. And then
guess what your backups were getting a lot of reps.

(01:12:16):
And what were you doing. You were developing young offensive linemen.
What are we lacking in this league today? We don't
lack I don't. We don't lack wide receivers. Bunny guys
can run, catch and do amazing things. We don't lack backs.
We lacked two positions and off we don't lack tight ends,

(01:12:38):
offensive linemen and elite quarterbacks. There's not enough, Like I
don't think you could have more than thirty two teams
because I don't know if there's enough offensive linemen. The
base of the way the college game is played today
and the lack of practice they have at that level,
and the lack of coaching in some places are getting
and their lack of understanding how an offense actually works

(01:13:00):
and what fronts are and what you know, coverages and
all the different things are aren't taught anymore, and the
lack and then so now we're taking those guys to
this level with the limited practices, is not enough time
to develop them, and no wonder the result is just
awful football in September because nobody can block anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
It's you know what to Tony, think about this? With
all the seven on seven camps that are out there.
Now we have some of the greatest receivers at seventeen eighty,
oh my god, twenty years old you've ever seen. And
so that position has mushroomed into something special, and the
grunt position, the offensive line has morphed into something that
is dreadful. And you talk about depth, go watch some

(01:13:42):
of the XFL UFL where those teams are.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
You want to see bad offensive line play because of
your theory.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
I exactly what I'm telling you, because offensive line is
a harder position to play than anything else besides quarterback,
because of what you're being asked to do in the
in the athletes you're playing against it, and it has
to be in coordination across the line with everyone else,

(01:14:11):
and you have to do things together combo blocks, and
you're backing up to protect somebody with a guy come
full speed at you, like the only way. Like at
some level you can just like, is Brian Thomas jor
a great route runner right now? Is he a great

(01:14:32):
route runner? No?

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Was Jimmy Smith a great route runner year in nineteen
ninety six?

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
What they are now? Jimmy Smith became an outstanding route
runner right over the middle. Why he's one of the
best ever. And I believe Brian Thomas Junior will become
an outstanding route runner as he progresses and he gets wrapped.
Why is he so effective as a rookie Because he's

(01:15:02):
a supreme athlete. He's just a better athlete. He can fly,
he has good hands, he's you know, and I'm not
saying I'm sure he works hard and all that. I'm
not taking that away. As an offensive lineman, you can
be the best athlete you want to be if you
don't have the technique in understand the position and how

(01:15:23):
to work in coordination with another guy and and double
teams and understand passe sets and angles and what a
defensive lineman is trying to do to you and everything else.
I'm not saying. Receivers not a technical You have to
learn how to get off the jam, all those things
and those things. But you only get that as an
offensive lineman by reps, and you only get better by

(01:15:45):
live reps because you end up getting some bad habits,
especially in the run game. If it's not because your
pads get too high and you don't, you don't. It's
not the same like because you're right. The last thing,
and I'll let you go, is you're right seven on s.
You can replicate a lot of stuff with no pads
on and get a lot of reps in the with

(01:16:08):
low risk, no contact, and then that simulates very similar
to what it's gonna happen on game day. You can't
do that as an offensive alignment. It is impossible.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
And here's the other thing, real quick, in the back
of the day, he used to be able to take
a tackle who couldn't be a tackle and develop him
into a guard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Zach, Zach, Zach Martin.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
I can go back to Marshall yonda media, you know,
on and on and on, hey Ben Coleman, who played
next to you at guard, was once tackle. Well, now
it's so tough to do that because you don't have
the developmental time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
The hitting it's different.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
So when you say, okay, I used to always look
for guys when I used to look by analysis, say
well he's not good enough to play tackle, but boy,
you could move him inside and make him a guard.
That's hard to do now because you don't have the
developmental time to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
You're not hitting, You're not hitting anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And I'll end with this, I know we got a break.
I understand Doug's hesitancy because to do what I'm saying
is going against the grain. And if somebody does get.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Hurt, it's on you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
The finger is gonna get pointed. And so it's not
just the head coach who has to have that philosophy.
It has to be the whole organization that this is
what we believe. And I'm not just talking about the Jaguars.
I'm talking league wide. And so I get why coaches
are like because if I put my starter out there
and he gets hurt, everyone's gonna say, why are you

(01:17:39):
playing him in the preseason. Well, the simple answer is
that's how you play football and that's how you get
better at things. But it would be a bigin That's
my point. It wasn't a big deal when I played
because that's how everyone did it right. And I think
it's an opportunity for somebody in this league. And I
know some teams that do it, not a lot, though
I know a couple, but I think it's an opportunity

(01:18:04):
for a team in this league, saying, at least for
the big guys, we are going to practice and we
are going to be physical and they're going to play
because opening day we are going to be ready to
roll and I just don't think teams are. And I
think and I'd love to do that. Every year we
talked about this at some point on this show, and

(01:18:24):
I always threaten to do this and I never do it.
It'd be great to do, Like go look, and I'm
sure there's studies out there the injuries that happened in
today's game compared to when camp in preparation was different
because there's a lot of injuries still, tissue injuries, a
lot of I don't know what it is, but I'd

(01:18:45):
like to look at it because I know one thing
I can turn on the tape and for the first
part of the season September, a lot of bad football
and a lot of offensive line player that's not very good.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Ky needs to wave the paper like JB does this
shut you up session? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
They kept it real on the offensive line. Coming back.
We're gonna do our fanatic fan questions here on Jaguars
Happy Are presented by mister Chubb's Wings.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Kind Of been our season so far.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
In that game today and.

Speaker 10 (01:19:25):
In moments when we needed it the most, got stepped
up and we were able to fight through that adversity.
So it just you know, builds confidence, you know that,
and moments that we needed. We have the guys, we
have the people, We have the team that can step
up and doing it. So we just got to you know,
keep it rolling, you know, use this this momentum to
you know, take it over to London and keep accumulating wins.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Welcome back into Jags Am here, jag Sam Here, Jaguars Happy.
I'm doing too many shows today. Jaguars Happy are here,
presented by mister Chubby's Wings. We did see some fight
back from this team. A lot of things had not
been going their way earlier. This season and they weren't
able to bounce back. They did just that, getting their
first win of the year in the throwback uniforms looking stylish.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Talk how about those jerseys, guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
So I feel I'm unbiased because I was not around
when they were here. They just look better. Are they green?
Are they brighter? Are they green? The color is better,
more Teal, the more Teal, the Teal itself is better.
And then the the society.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
The ribbing, the logo and the ribbing and all that. Yeah,
it's just much better looking uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I know every fan base wants their throwbacks, but this
is justified. They are entirely better.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
Trevor wore black shoes. Did you notice that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I did not. I didn't pick that up.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
It looked, it looked. It looked much better than black shoes.
So maybe you should wear them again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
I'll tell you what though, I'm with you, Kai, and
I'm biased because those jersey but.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
They thought they market better, market better, and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
I I'm just going on the record now and say
I like our home jerseys being Teal jerseys white pants.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
I don't think we wear Teal enough.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I like her like Teal jerseys white pants. And on
the road. I like the white jerseys with white pants.
I just like, that's what you used to wear. That's
what we did in September at home. If it was hot,
we'd wear the white jerseys and make them wear the
dark ris. But I just I just and what I
just thought, because it kind of gives you an identity

(01:21:24):
of who you are too. It's like, this is who like,
this is who we are, this is what we wear.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
The funny thing is, back in the day, I didn't
I thought that uniform was kind of ah. And now
now compared to what they've been wearing, I think it's
ten times better, so much better.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Well, but here's the thing. I'm in the minority because
this is the old guy talking, because I think the
young guys like the different combinations and different looks and
you know, all black. Sometimes I am too. That's just me.
So I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Arizona Cardinals all whites, used to be a great uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Oh great, all right, guys, it's do some Fanatics fan questions.
Jaguars fans, you can get up at fanatics dot com
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special offer at fanatics dot Com officially licensed everything. Pete,
this one's for you because I know you're gonna love it.
Did Tank give you Fred Taylor MJD vibes yesterday breaking
through those tackles?

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
He did, he ran physical, But did he give me
vibes of those guys?

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Absolutely not, No way, No.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I mean, look, that's a high bar.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Mean you're comparing him to the Technically, he's a backup
running back right now, and you're comparing him to the
best running back ever on that team, a guy who
should be Canton and a special guy who's the number
two ranked running back in the franchise. So it's way
too early for that. So the answer to that question
is no and no.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I would agree with Pete on everything, but I'll say this,
I would like to see what he looks like if
he got the ball twenty times a game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Should he be your starter?

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I think that the starter is more situational of kind.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Of what you think he should lead the team in
carries every week.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I do think he I think he should have more
carries than anyone else. Now, if you get in a
situation where you know Travis is hot, and I mean
I think there's nothing wrong with running right in the
hot hand. I think there's probably plays that Travis does
better than Tank. I think we have the luxury of
having two very good backs. That's a that's a luxury.

(01:23:24):
But if you're asking me who I would make the workhorse,
I would make Tank the workhorse.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Should they make it like the Ravens use Justice Hill
and Derek Henton.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I think that's a good. That's a good, that's a
good comparison, that's a good example therapy. I think that's
I didn't think of that, but yes, all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Right, to do a couple of questions about the defense.
We talked about the secondary. The issues with that comeback
in the fourth quarter. What's your level of concern with
the secondary, specifically the safety positions.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's got to be pretty high right now because we're
seeing some bus you know, and and some tackling.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
A little yet so terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
I got concerns, and I mean, I mean, let me
say this about the two safeties. I thought both of
them would take major steps forward this year, and they've
actually gone in the other direction. And it's weird for
Cisco because he's in a contract year. That one surprised
me a little bit. Uh, he hasn't played very well.
Antonio Johnson looks like at times he doesn't even want
to tackle anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
I don't that. So when this is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
Gonna sound crazy, but Tony, when Tshawn Gibson comes back.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
And Winger comes back, they might play.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Should they start, I wouldn't go that far yet. We
haven't seen either of You don't know how Dewey's knees
gonna be or actually back. And to Sean, Gibson's on
a six game suspension, so you don't know what he's
gonna look like when he gets back. There is concern.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
They've been the biggest to me, they've been the biggest
disappointment in the entire team in terms of defense, those
two have not played very well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
I mean that's fair. I think a couple of bright spots.
Monteric Brown, you know now he got beat over the
top late on the overall physical He's not a big
dude and he plays big and I mean fist. He's
not fair. He's very competitive. I'm like really like, like

(01:25:31):
I was worried about our corner depth and then Tyson
Campbell got hurt. I was like, oh no, I was wrong.
Flat wrong, Monteric Brown playing good football, and the other
real positive and I mean really interested to see what
they do. Coming up here pretty quickly is Vontrell Miller.
I don't know when when Foyer comes back. How do

(01:25:54):
you have vontrelle on the sideline like he's your best
linebacker right now?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Well the way they say, I'm sure that find a way,
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
How he's not on the field every now.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
The hockey team will find a way to get him
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
But you know what I'm saying, I mean, he's I mean,
he's a tackling machine. When he hits you, you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
Make a splash.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Plays makes splash plays, give them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
He got his coverage needs to improve. I agree with that. People.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
When he covered the one guy and man the man coverage,
he went out and made a play on him, and
he and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
His speed shuts down those stuff in the shuts down
stuff in the flat. He gets there really quickly. He's
got to stay on the field no matter what.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
He has to stay on the field, all right, And
you just got you have to admit a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Which one here we go, keep going, guy, don't don't bite,
don't bite, don't bite, don't bite.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
We're gonna do our final.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I'm a skip.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
I'm a skip one. We're gonna do our final. Fan question,
do the boys get it done and come back from
London three and four?

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I'll let Pete go first. I'm gonna say they do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
All right, Tony, Well, they're definitely gonna get one because
they'll beat New England and I think they'll beat the Bears.
I'm not crazy of the Bears like some people are.
I still think the quarterbacks got issues. I think the
offensive lines got issues. I think that they'll find a
way to win it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
I'm gonna say not only do I think they're gonna
come back three and four. I'm gonna lock. Everyone's gonna
three and four. I'm not gonna allow Pete the Lockett. No,
we're gonna No, he's not because the last time we
double locked it was a disaster. Triple lock. No, triple
lock has been really negative. Although you've never looked, j P.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Tri block might be tripl might be great.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
You can double, you can do a double. I'm comfortable
doing a double lock with you. I'm not with Pete
or JP.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
I'm not in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
I'm not in all right, double Lockett.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Double locket Kai with the lock I'm in Let's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Go Monday Happy our first of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
When they come back from London and they don't get
either one of them to start talking about the.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Drill, J can deal with it then.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
So the beautiful thing is Kai has no accountability this
thing because we come back. Kyle's what shock for the
one after London is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
He Oh, yeah, you're gonna have to be here work.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Let's go on. It's not gonna go poorly. We're gonna
do it. That's gonna be great, got it, wins, I
love it all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Right, stay with us here on Diagon's Happy ar presented
by mister Chubby's coming Back. We'll talk about what else
is going on in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
And then CBS said early in the game that you
and Gabe.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Kind of got into it and you maybe even threw
a tablet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Was there was there an exchange over there on the sideline?

Speaker 7 (01:28:40):
It down firmly?

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
Now, uh yeah, we were set it down roughly, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:46):
Exactly loosely. Yeah, I mean we're just it happens in
this game.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
I mean if you people that have played it, no,
people that have it probably don't really understand all the
emotions I go into it and and there was some frustration.

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
We had a little back and forth and cleared it up.
That's all it is, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
I think that's what stuff like that's important. And I
love when stuff like that happens. You confront issues and hey,
if I'm pissed about something, he's pissed about something, let's
talk about it and move on.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
And we did a great job of that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
You know, Gabe's always good at communicating, so got on
the same page quick and it was good back here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
I'm happy our quarterback. Trevor Lawrence, addressing the reports on
the broadcast about him and gave Davis getting into it
on the sideline, Tony said, sometimes you get into it
and then oh gosh, we're all friends now again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
It's it's a non story. What Trevor said is exactly right.
Anybody who's played the game, coached the game, or covered
the game closely, it's a non issue. I mean, I've
been involved in heated discussions with players and a lot

(01:29:52):
of time coaches in the heat of the battle. Why
because it matters. It's important. You're competitive. If you can
be frustrated, you want things going better. Whatever it is,
and I think emotion's good. And I always laugh at
sometimes the media does this, sometimes our fans do this.

(01:30:15):
Is you hear them say we want players to care
and have emotion and be all in and then something
that where emotion, you know, I use just you know,
I might've gotten a couple of personal fouls when I played,
or you're get to a fight or it blows up
on the sideline and everyone's like, oh, you can't do that.
You have to have more self control, Like listen, what

(01:30:36):
do you want? This is an emotional game, and guys
put a lot into it. And by the way, we're
laying our bodies on the line, you're risking like your
health and like you care. Yes, you get paid a
lot of money, but it's important to you. And when
you have emotion and you all in on something and
it's not going the way you want, sometimes tempers are
gonna flare and things are going to be said. And

(01:30:59):
I don't even get into what happens in the locker
room on the practice field. Sometime that's okay. Now it's
not okay. If it bubbles over and it carries over
and it becomes personal, it causes a wedge in the
locker room, which obviously it has not. But in the
heat of the moment, you let your emotion out, you
get it out, you deal with it, and you move

(01:31:20):
on and your teammates and your you know, friends and
your you know, working peers, and all the things that
go into it, and you move on and going to
the next thing. That's part of it, and that's part
of playing that it's not a big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
It's never a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
But but here's what it what I would like to though,
And I don't know if anybody asked the question.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
What was it about.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
This was after the third down where he was wide
open and they went to brentsvill st the short on
the sticks and then they didn't get the fourth This
was right after that possession.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Yeah, so he did before the gate.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
He's got him on the second level and he throws
to the left side for a short completion on third
down that set him up and fourth and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
One wanted to I would assume he want.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Okay, and in fairness he was open, and in fairness
to Trevor, it ain't exactly like Gabe Davis, you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Know, was a bullet getting to get there either. So
I'll just say this. I mean, first of all, this
is what receivers do.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
You want them to want the ball?

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
And you know he learned from you know where he
learned from, don't you well?

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
But Pete, I'm not I'm not gonna touch gave Davis
right now. I'm gonna go back to when you cover
the team. Did you ever hear Keenan, who was never
not open say anything?

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Hey, look, John Osher and myself will swear to this day,
and I tell I told Keenan this to his face.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
And keen is a wide receiver coach now so and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
A good maybe the best one, the one of the
best in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
And I used to tell him Keenan was happier when
he caught eleven for one seventy touchdown than he was
when he caught two for fourteen and they won. If
they lost, he he takes eleven and the loss, then
the two in the win.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
It's not It's not. Keenan was one of the teammates
I've ever had. But Keenan and Jimmy they wanted the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
And when he went to champ it was meaning in
me Sean, and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
I'll say it's an offensive linement I've got had it
out with quarterbacks. Of course, get rid of it, throw it?
What are you doing back there? And they're yelling at us?
Attack it hit me time? Why are you getting hit?
I mean it's it's emotional out there. So it's a
non story now where it becomes a story, and we've
seen this in the league, if either one of the

(01:33:32):
parties carries it over to the locker room and it
goes on for days and weeks, that's when it becomes
because now you have to have other people in the
locker room asking questions what's going on as their divide.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
Josh Allen, it became an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
He became an issue. But if you just deal with it,
like Trevor said, you squashed it, it motion. Okay, We're good.
Fact it's non fact. It's not a big deal, all right.

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best game you watched this weekend? Ravens and Bengals.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
It was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Up and down the field they went, and they go
to overtime and the Ravens give the ball away and
overtime on a on a box snap and the Bengals
play for their long field goal. By the way, they
didn't play to get any more yards and the holder
dropped the drop the snap and next play Derrick Henry
go They miss it. Derek Henry goes sixty yards, they
make a field goal point black and win the game.
Now the Bengals are sitting there at one and four.

(01:34:38):
Great game, though Joe Burrow five touchdown passes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I thought Burrow's comment I read I didn't hear it
basically saying we are not a championship football team right now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
They're one and four.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
It's true, and he doesn't and he says they not
that they can't be. It's just right now, they're not
right defensive.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
And I read something and maybe this was an X
so maybe this is just non true. Pete, you'd know
or you have a sense that t Higgins might be
available at the trade trade Daniel trade deadline because of
some friction or something going on there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Well, he has and plus he he has a new
he wants a new contract. They haven't you know, they
haven't given it to him.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
They haven't paid him or Chase, Yeah, better pay Chase.
He's he's not very good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:35:21):
My god?

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
I think Brian Thomas is on his way to be
in that kind of player though?

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Is LSU wide receivers?

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
I mean, how did elis you ever lose Justin Jefferson
Jamar Chase? Uh the neighbors?

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
Was Joe Burrow throwing it justin? Think about this was
Joe Burrow throwing it Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase and
it was Jade Daniels throwing to Brian Thomas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
And how they ever lose?

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
I guess, I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
Remember they won the National that's sure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
He never did. But have Jadon Daniels ever lose a game?

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Texans beat the Bills as well, which is not great
for us in the division, But it's up with the back.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
That was Josh Allen was the receivers were bad.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
He wasn't good, and they still found themselves with the
ball down on the you know, point blank range down
three and they couldn't get in after after Stroud fumble,
they couldn't get a touchdown and then they played it
at the end of the game. They got the ball
back with like thirty seconds and through three passes and
they llwed him and then they punted and they had
a time out and they let him go kick the
field goal.

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
Terrible game management.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
The uh and Josh Allen got beat up, Pete.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
But the Texans haven't been as good as I thought
they would be.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
Just yet.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Just yet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Well they are four and one. They got a nice
little but.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
They played a lot. Think about it. Jacksonville probably should
have beat him, could have lost yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
They and Bears took him to the mat to the end.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Right, they haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
I thought this was gonna be a year where they
became dynamic on offense and hasn't worked out that way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
And the Colts took him to the end too. Yeah,
they've They've won a lot of close games. Give them credit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Yeah, yeah, Cowboy is wanted at one am so over
the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Did you stay up for that, Pete? Hell yeah, Oh
not me. I'm too old. I went to sleep catching
the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
All right, guys, you have any I don't have full
time because we' running late on time. You got a
Monday Night football pick Saints and Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Chiefs. Chiefs again cheeks Chiefs have they have some weapon issues?
I mean, the question is who's gonna Who's gonna step out?

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Don't get the ball to worthy A bunch of different ways.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
And one more thing.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Derek Carr struggles against He's one and five against Steve Spagnola.
You know why, Tony because they glitzed the hot of
him and don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Yep, blitz wi splitz. Taylor Swift is gonna be in
the building. Chiefs probably go to five.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
And oh that means my daughter will be watching as
she should. She's a big swiftie, as she should.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
All right, Victory Monday Happy Hour. Thank you for joining us,
Kinani Stevens, j P. Shadwick will be back with these
guys next week. Enjoyed

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