March 15, 2023 • 27 mins
It's episode three of NFL Draft Preview Presented by Verizon. Host Ethan Greenberg and The Athletic’s Dane Brugler start by talking about options at center for the Jets (3:20) and if any of the center prospects could be an option in the second round (5:40). Next they talk about the tight ends and if any could be an option at No. 13 overall (12:00). The guys close the episode breaking down some options for the Jets at DT (19:40), LB (23:00) and KR (25:25).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to another episode of NFL Draft Preview, presented by
Verizon Ethan Greenberg, Dane Brugler. Dane, this is an exciting
time of the year. It's not your time of year
because it's not draft season right now, it's being put
on pause. This is full fledge, full fledge, full fledge
free agency season right now. Obviously, a lot of smoke
right now with the Jets in a certain quarterback that
no one really knows what's going on, and by the
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time this podcast airs, maybe something will have happened. But
as the time that we were recording, the Jets right
now seem to be in talks with Aaron Rodgers. No
one really knows, but that's the status. So and we'll
see what happens in terms of a trade compensation, whether
it's draft, whether it's players in return, if it in
fact happens. Right So, there's like a lot of things
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that were like, if that happens, maybe maybe, maybe maybe,
But all that to say right now with the Jets,
what's your take on what could happen before we talk
about the draft. I mean, it's we're talking a little
bit before we hit record about how it seems like
there's too much smoke in the room. You know, you
can barely breathe with all the smoke. So it seems
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like that's the direction we're headed, which is going to
be a lot of fun. We've seen some reactions already
from guy, you know, Garrett Wilson, and you know, I
think just the aside from obviously what's going to happen
on the field, just the vibe that it brings, I
think we overwhelmingly positive to that locker room, to the
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fan base, and so yeah, I mean, I'm just like you.
I'm waiting hitting hitting refresh on Twitter, waiting for the
news to come across, see what happens, so we can,
you know, kind of move on and start preparing for it.
So this is what we know, okay, and we're gonna
use free agency as a tool to talk about the
Jets draft. We know that the Jets have gone out
to California right reportedly so to talk to Aaron Rodgers.
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That's all we know in regard to a R twelve.
Then it was reported today by ESPN's Adams Jefter that
Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb could be options for the Jets,
and then most recently, Marcedes Lewis the tight end. So
right now, if you were to look at the Jets
offense right as it stands, and using the reports that
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are out there to talk about what could happen in
April in Kansas City for the Jets, you would imagine
that free agency not re ord. You'd imagine wide receiver
not really on the board at least early for the Jets.
If they would have potentially Lazard Cobb, maybe Corey Davis
he's under contract as we record this, Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore.
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That's a pretty loaded wide receiver group. And you look
at the tight ends you're talking about c j Uzama,
Tyler Conklin, Jeremy Rockard, potentially Marcedes Lewis, You're probably not
looking at a tight end there. The offensive line specifically
tackle we talked about, but one position that we have
not talked about yet is center. Connor McGovern has been
a staple for the Jets the last three season, started
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all seventeen games for the Jets. He was one of
two offensive linemen to do so. The other one was
lake In Tomlinson. So let's say the Jets want to
add a center in the draft, what is the earliest
option for the Jets that you think makes sense based
on the talent that's available. I think there are two
guys that you could look at in the second round
and say, Okay, these are guys we can plug in
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and they're gonna help our offense pretty quickly. The more
pro ready of the two is John Michael Schmidtz from Minnesota,
six three and a half, three hundred pounds. He's a
six year senior super senior, so he's played a lot
of football and he's a he's a true center. I
mean he lines up in the pivot and he's got
the frame for it, the mass, he's really good with angles,
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he's very skillful with the way he uses his hands,
positions his body, and he's just been a guy that's
been rock steady, very very consistent. Not note the best
athlete you know out there, but you know he can move,
he's got the strength, he's got the finishing attitude. So
I think that he's can consistency get a little bit better. Yeah,
and that's why we're talking about him as probably more
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of a second rounder than a first rounder. But he's
a functional pro starter. But he's my number two center
in this class. My number one center in this class
is Joe Titman from Wisconsin. A little bit taller than
your your usual center. He's six six, three hundred and
thirteen pounds. He was a tackle uh in high school
and then when he goes to Wisconsin, they liked to
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cross train. So he's working out as a guard, he's
working out as a tackle, but in order to get
the best five on the field, they moved him the
center because he has that athleticism, he has that the
movement skills that you're looking for h and he's he's
so good at getting out in space, very fluid, very
rangy for that size, and he's very smart. I mean,
he's a he's a guy that understands what the defense
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is doing and he reaches the point before the the
defender and he has the play strength to hold up.
So now he's a little probably a little bit more
unpolished than John Michael Schmitz, so maybe there's a little uh,
you know, he's spends too much time on the ground.
He needs to improve and some of those technical areas.
But he's a guy that has the quickness, has the power,
has the vision and they're all that's what you want.
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At the center position. So as long as you especially
for a team running a lot of wide zone and
get out in space, that's where Titman really thrives. And
so he's a possibility there in the second round. Maybe
not as polished as you're looking for, but I think
he has position flex and I think that he's a
guy that you know he's going to be a long
time starter for your line. Do you think both of
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those guys are like, what are the chances both guys
are available by the time the Jets select in the
second round? Or is there a chance that one, if
not both of those guys are scooped up. There's a
good chance those are the only two centers drafted in
the first three rounds. And because of that, it's it's
not a bad center class. It's just an okay center class.
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There's some decent options on day three, you know, talk
about Luke Whippler from Ohio State, Ricky Stromberg Arkansas, Alex
Forsyth Oregon. I mean, there's some quality center options once
you get to day three, and maybe even one or
two of those guys sneaks into the top one hundred
just because the need is so great for some of
these teams. But I think when you talk about those
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top two guys, because it's not a great center group
in the top one hundred picks, maybe one of those
two centers goes a little bit earlier than maybe they should,
even in the first round. So it's really hard to
say at this point if one or both will be
there when the Jets pick in the second round, because
some of these teams have a needed center and there
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don't want to wait until the second round to find out.
So it will be interesting to see how long these
guys will last. I'm thinking about the second round and
centers just in recent memory, Like let's say the Jets
don't resign Connor mc government, there's a chance that he
does resign. Because free agency is a fluid situation, anything
can happen at any time. I just felt my watch
buzz just making sure it wasn't something crazy, and I
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don't think it is as of now, and it is
not to something about Michael Thomas and the Saints. Okay,
But Diana Russini of ESPN tweeted a couple minutes ago
that Aaron Rodgers has provided the New York Jets with
a wish list of free agents he would like them
to target and acquire. Per sources, it includes Randall Cobb,
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Alan Lazard, Marcedes Lewis, who we've all mentioned so far
on NFL Draft Preview presented by Verizon, and one more
player who is an offensive weapon, Odell Beckham Junior. So
so that is, I guess, according to Diana Russini, a
part of the free agent wish list provided from Aaron
Rodgers to the New York Jets, who is not the
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Jets quarterback as of now. Again, this is all just hearsay,
This is all smoke. We don't know what's going on,
but that is what is being reported right now. And
so back to the draft talk, back to the center talk.
Connor McGovern might be a Jet next year, he might
not be. But let's say the Jets, for all intents
and purposes for this conversation, decide to draft a guy
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I'm thinking about recent memory. In twenty twenty one, the
Kansas City Chiefs selected Creed Humphrey in the second round,
and that was picked number sixty three. The pick before
that was Josh Myers, who snapped the ball to Aaron
Rodgers for the Green Bay Packers. Creed Humphrey is obviously
a very good player in this league that was acquired
in the second round of the draft. The first center
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selected in twenty twenty one, I think was technically Landon Dickerson,
But Landon Dickerson also had that position versatility where he
played anywhere. He doesn't play center right now for the
Philadelphia Eagles, he plays guard. So do you think that
teams might overthink any of those two guys? When Creed Humphrey,
to me, who's not the draft expert you are, seemed
like pretty much a plug and play guy, and he
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got fell to the second round and obviously was a
plug and play guy and a very good one. I
have yet to hear a good reason why Creed Humphrey
fell as far as he did. I mean, the Chiefs
just got I mean sometimes in the draft it takes luck,
you know, the right guy to fall to you, and
that's what happened for the Chiefs that year. No idea
why most NFL teams overthought a guy like that who
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had such a great tape, tested well, had had a
good Senior Bowl. Uh. I mean, there's there are so
many things pointing to him being a really strong NFL starter.
And we're seeing that right now with the Chiefs with
these two guys. You know, I think it'd be easy
to when uh, you know, you got a guy like
Joe Tittman who is a little bit taller than you know,
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your usual center, and that might be an issue for
some teams. Uh he spends way too much time on
the ground and needs to improve his pad level. So
some of those issues maybe, uh it could be uh
something that keeps a team from drafting a joke Tittman
and a top fifty John Michael schmidtz. He's an older player.
He's gonna be twenty four years old. Uh he's uh
this next week, I believe. So, you know, he's a
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guy that has uh, you know, been around a long time,
and some teams will overthink that. So, you know, to
be a creed Humphrey is a tough thing to put
on either one of these two guys, because Humphrey was,
you know, such a really talented prospect. I don't think
either of these two guys are quite on that level.
But we're talking about two guys that can be NFL starters,
and you know, when you're drafting Day two, that should
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be the goal. It shouldn't be to you know, hopefully
we find a pro bowler. Let's let's just get good players.
Let's get starters where we're gonna help us win and
help us get to where we want to go, and
that's the playoffs in the super Bowl. All right, So
moving on here on our I'm gonna call this like
the crossover edition between free agency and the draft, because
free agency crystallizes the draft picture, right, Like, isn't that
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how that works from an evaluation perspective when looking at
mock drafts and doing that exercise. Yeah, that's fair. I mean,
you know because obviously teams, based on what they do
with free agency, that alters what they do in the draft.
And you know, you always draft talent over need, and
especially early, but especially when we talk about second round,
third round, you know, it's that's where you try to
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plug some of those holes. And so yeah, the free
agency monk drafts for for you to see a monk
drafts after free agency understandably look a lot different. All right,
So it is March fourteenth, Spring training is going on
in baseball right now? Can I throw a curve at
you right here? You're ready? You're ready for this Okay.
So in Indianapolis when we were at the Combine, we
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did two live shows. One of them, Rhet Lewis of
NFL Network came on the live show and he was
talking about a guy as he would view as a
potential option at thirteen in what is already a pretty
loaded room for the Jets. I would say, in terms
of players that they've invested in, whether that be draft,
capital wise or financially, that's tight end. Rhet Lewis loves
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Dalton Kincaid, and he said so much so that he
would consider drafting him with the thirteenth overall selection if
it were in fact a best player available approach for
the Jets. Would that shoe fit for the Green and White?
I mean, I think if you're drafting Dalton Kincaid, if
you're here the Jet, I think you're probably drafting him
as more of a wide receiver. So I mean, I
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think looking at your the roster, especially if they sign
Alan Blizzard, you know you have, it's kind of crowded
with guys that are going to be operating out of
the slot. So I think it would be a little
redundant in terms of role and what you want these
guys to be. But Dalton Kincaid is the best pure
pass catcher in this draft and just talking about being
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able to go up, isolate the football, come down with
it better than any receiver in this draft, better than
any other tight end in this draft. So if you're
you know, I don't. He's not a true in line
tight end. He's more of a weapon in the slot.
A guy with burst, with body control, outstanding ball skills.
Drops on his tape. I mean, you need a magnifying glass.
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They're just they're hard to find. So this is a guy.
He's got a basketball background, you see it on the field,
natural ball winner, He trusts his hands, He's a very
good route runner and really good after the catch as well,
that transition, you know, secure and go. So for me,
don't Kincaide on this team? Yeah, it's a little redundant,
but you know, there's only so many targets to go around,
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especially if they signed some of these guys that we've
been talking about. But if you're looking to get better
on offense with your skill players, I can understand how
you would come to the conclusion that, hey, don't Kincaide
does that for us? So you know, again, well, I
think it's it might be a little bit crowded with
what they could be doing in free agency. Don't Kincade
makes your offense better because he is again the best
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pure pass catcher in the draft, and were the other
thirteenth overall pick regardless of who picks there. Yeah, I
mean it would not be hard to talk yourself into that.
I mean, I think on my board he's in the twenties,
you know, and so. But again, because you can never
have too many weapons, and so if you feel like
Dolt Kincaide is going to move your offense and you know,
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it's I can certainly understand why you draft him as
as high as the top fifteen. And is he your
tight end? One knows. I've got all these tighten the
top four tight ends pretty closely together, and it's just
it's ice cream flavors. It depends on what you want.
If you want a true inline guy, Michael Mayor is
your guy, you know and so. But if you want
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more of the sixth offensive lineman's got up you know,
passing pass catching a potential, he's ascending Darnell Washington. If
you want the best combo where he's a good athlete,
but you can also block for you Luke Musgrave from
Oregon State, and then if you want the best your
pass catcher, that's Kincaid. So it's they're all ice cream flavors.
They're all good. It just matters what you're you know,
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what you're looking for. So you know, I think every
team is gonna be looking at these tight end rankings
a little bit differently with based off of what they
have on their roster already, how their offense operates, and
the exact type of role they have in mind for
their tight end. I've definitely asked you this before, and
I don't care I'm gonna ask it again. You brought
it up, so it's your own fault. Ice cream. What
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is your favorite ice cream flavor? Um, anything with heath
heath pieces in it? How about that? For the answer?
What I love it? It's it's the best out there.
So yeah, it's uh, you know you're getting a blizzard
from Dairy Queen, it's always heath if you're going, you know,
even if you're having something at home, have some heath
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pieces off to the side so you just there, you
can't go. You like cold Stone where they just mix
it all in together. For you. It's one big lump
of whatever you get. I mean, you can't go wrong, right,
I mean it's uh, I think I can't. Well, I'm
not knocking it. I mean I'm not knocking it. Wait,
hold on, I'm not. I just want to be clear here,
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I'm not knocking it. I just was not expecting you.
I was not expecting to be talking about a heath
bar today. Like I had to google it to make
sure that I knew what it was, just to you know,
make sure if you're listening and you're like, I was
just making sure that I that I had every ingredient
in a heath bar in my head. I don't know
what you know. I don't know in my lifetime if
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I've ever gone to the store and purchased a heath
bar and and or if a buddy of mine or
whatever has given me a heath bar and I've eaten
it from start to finish. I don't know. I honestly
think the answers no, So I think I need to
do it and get a review. Are you a big
toffee guy? Uh? I mean yeah, heath Yes, I mean
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I don't. I don't eat a ton of sweets. But again,
I mean when I have ice cream, it's you know, yeah,
it's the heath bar. That's uh yeah, I can't go
wrong with that. Yeah, I feel like Scheftery by the way,
I feel like I'm like Adam Schefter or Ian Rappaport
or any of these insiders, like looking at my phone
making sure nothing happens. Garrett Bradberry just resigned with the vikings.
I think if I read that correctly in my two
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seconds anyway, Yeah, speak exactly right on cute, Thank you, Garrett.
My um my go to ice cream is honestly, it's
probably one of two. It's either mint chocolate chip if
it looks good, and if it's not, I'm probably going
something that's cookie dough or oreo based, like a cookies
and cream you know, like that for me, or chocolate
jip cookie though I'm pretty simple. Um. I mean that's again,
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but that's that's that's why the analogy fits, right, because
these guys, you know, they're all good. You know that
that sounds amazing. Uh. It just depends on what you're
looking for at that time point in time, you know.
And mint chocolate chip is a polarizing flavor, just for
the record, because some people love it, some people hate it.
It's kind of I feel like it's like the cilantrow
of ice cream flavors. That crazy. Well, it's in my house. Yeah,
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my wife loves mint chocolate chip. I'm it's okay, It's fine.
I'm not gonna turn it down. But I definitely wouldna
be my first choice. So yeah, I can understand that.
But we can respect each other's choices and still make
our selections with full confidence, kind of like the tight
ends in twenty twenty three. All that to say, the
Jets have a very loaded room though, like I said,
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Tyler Conklin cj Uzama both returned. They were signed last
year in free agency. Jeremy Ruckert, the third round pick
from last year on the Kenny Yoboa on the roster,
Marcedes Lewis could be on the roster, depending on what
happens in free agency. If you're just tuning in, it
was reported that he is that the Jets could be
interested in Marcedes Lewis. Now, any let's move on to
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the defensive side of the ball. The one position we
didn't really talk about was running back, and I want
to get to that later because the Jets have a
good room with Breece Hall returning, Michael Carter and Zonovan
bam Knight, but the Jets could always look to add
another horse in the stable, whether that be free agency
or the draft. But defensively here, when you take a
look at what's going on, you would imagine the Jets
are pretty set in the back end of the defense
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when you're talking about Sauce Gardner and DJ Reid at corner,
Michael Carter the second as well, then at safety Jordan
White had under contract. The Jets reportedly agreed to terms
to acquire Chuck Clark from the Ravens. Zach won't be
official until the start of the new league year when
nat can be processed in March fifteenth, so that is
tomorrow at four pm Eastern Standard time. So for the Jets,
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you're probably looking at reserve roles in corner and secondary
and safety. Excuse me. So with that being said, let's
creep down a level. Linebacker C J. Mosley, Quincy Williams, resigned,
Kwan Alexander a free agent Jamie Sherwood could be in
line for some more playing time, So again that seems
to be maybe second or third round. And on defensive line,
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is where it gets interesting, specifically defensive tackle, because Sheldon
Rankins is an unrestricted free agent. He played a pretty
big role for the Jets last year, and the Jets
always like to add defensive linemen. So with that being said,
whether it be thirteen, whether it be forty three, the
second round pick, or the third round, who are guys
that play inside at defensive tackle or have position versatility
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where they could go inside and outside like John Franklin Myers.
That could be an option for the New York Jets. Yea,
And if we're talking first round, you know, do the
Jets need to do extra homework on ailing Carter just
in case he were to fall you know, with his
off the field question marks, I find it hard to
believe he would fall out of the top ten, but
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maybe you do a little bit extra homework just in
case that situation arises. Now more realistically, I think when
you look to day two, that's where I think you're
gonna find some of the value a defensive tackle. If
you're looking for a true run stopper or a guy
that can really plug the middle. Mazzi Smith from Michigan's
your guy, a guy that is really good against doubles.
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He has some quickness so he can win one on ones.
But you know, he's a guy that you're going to
plug in the middle. It's an unsexy position, but he's
going to really help your run game. If you're looking
for more of a upside penetrator in the second round
than Girvon Dexter from Florida, this guy is huge, six six,
three hundred fifteen pounds basketball background, still learning kind of
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the you know, the biomechanics of how to use his
body to win with leverage and you know, use all
these gifts that he as to be disruptive. But there's
a lot of talent there with Girvon Dexter. So you're
you're buying him uh, you know, low, and then you're
looking at the upside in two three years and saying, Okay,
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this guy could end up being a playmaker for us.
But if you're looking for someone more that's going to
help right away because it Dexter is more of a
a long term pick. I think you're looking at um,
you know, maybe a Zach Pickens from South Carolina. He's
probably gonna be in that third round mix. Former five
star guy who has quickness, has power. Um, you know
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can and can play multiple positions up front. Um, you
know I think that uh Keanu Betton from Wisconsin, He's
also in that mix. A guy that was a nose
for the Badgers but has passwash potential. We saw it
at the Senior Bowl one on ones. Um he was
able to win those because of his quickness, because of
his hands. So Keanu Betton in the third round could
be an option. So this is a pretty decent defensive
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tackle class, depending on what you're looking for and where
you want to spend. Uh. You know, the such a
your draft capital in the position, and you know that
the Jets always want to add depth and at the
D line position, whether that's on the inside or the outside.
And the way it is right now, when you take
a look at who's unrestricted free agent, you're looking at
Sheldon Rankins and Nathan Shephard. So let's just say those
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guys are gone for all intents and purposes. Then you're
looking at a potential hole that the Jets need to
fill and the Jets defensive ends right now. Or Carl Lawson,
Jermaine Johnson, John Franklin Myers has that position versatility, Bryce
huff An RFA who I believe is going to be tendered,
if not already. So there's depth, there's but the inside
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of it is definitely where the Jets need some help.
So I would say the only other position that I
would want to bring up is really linebacker. We haven't
really talked about, but for the Jets with resigning Quincy Williams,
I would imagine that would be a Round three or
a Day three option for the Jets. The Jets like
athletic linebackers who typically played safety at one point in
their career. Is there anyone that comes to mind that
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fits that bill for you? Definitely a couple of guys, yeah,
once you get to early day three that might fit
to Marveon Over shown from Texas sixty three, two hundred
and thirty pounds. Uh, he was a safety out of
high school. Uh, and then he made the move to linebacker.
They played him, they played him all over. They played
him as more of a Sam, they played him as
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more of a will. They they moved him around a
little bit. And because he has a athleticism, he's a
four or five guy, really really quick, he's explosive, he's
got range. Uh, you know, he can mirror at the
line of scrimmage with ease. Uh, that downfield speed you know,
shows up as a blitzer as well, So overshown would
be in that mix in the fourth round. And then
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I mean, if you really want a guy with speed,
Owen uh Papo from Auburn, he brings it every time.
Maybe this guy is he was He had like double
digit recruiting offers an eighth grade. He had the nickname
the freak in middle school. This is he's he's had
been a kind of a tall tale growing up in
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Georgia for a long time. Goes to Auburn. I don't
know that he necessarily lives up to being, you know,
the five star that he was. But man, he's an athlete.
At the combine he ran a four three nine at
six foot two hundred twenty five pounds. This guy can move,
so he's got that freaky speed strength. Again, I don't
know that, you know, the instincts are necessarily on the
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same level. Uh. You know, he'll take some false steps,
will be at a position. Uh. You don't want him
in the middle. You want him more on the outside
where he can run and chase and use that speed.
But he can he can flow downhill. He can and
he'll stroke guys over the middle. Um, you know, there's
he he has some change of directions, so you know,
you feel like he can cover and uh, you know,
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hold his own against tight ends and backs, and then
plus he gives you something on special teams because of
that speed, because of that toughness. So those two guys
would make sense in the fourth round. Last position that
I kind of want to hit on today because we
talked about safety a little bit in the past, is
return man because for the Jets, the Jets are scheduled
to release Brax and Barrios at the start of the
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new league year, and he's been the Jets part returner
kick returner for the past pretty much three seasons. So
for the Jets, if they were to look to add
somebody in the draft that's maybe returns, maybe he plays offense, defense, whatever.
Who are the top options as returners that the Jets
could look to add. Devin eight change from Texas A
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and M is going to be a really interesting player
to see where he goes in the drafts. I think
based off of ability, he should go top fifty. But
you know, he's one hundred and eighty eight pounds and
a lot of teams are not interested in a running
back that's one hundred eighty eight pounds. But maybe when
you get to the third round, uh, you know a
guy like that who can be a weapon out of
the backfield. He can be that change of pace option
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that you want, but then also help you out as
a return man. That's what he gives you. I mean,
he has return experience. He has again ninety six yard
kick return in college, ninety five yard kick return in college.
So that speed that he brings can really be a
difference maker. And I think I don't it's hard to
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figure out where his value is in terms of where
exactly is he'd be drafted, because again I think he
belongs top fifty or so. But at one hundred and
eighty eight pounds, that's just gonna be a problem for
a lot of teams. But if you're using him as
a rotational back and as a return man, you know,
he's a guy that could be a real weapon for
an offense and then also on special teams. What you
just said is probably if he were a Jet for
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any running back, is what would happen? Because the Jets
have obviously a lot of very talented horses in the
stable per se at running back, so he would be
in the rotation, whether that be a chain or somebody else,
and then also in the mix at returner as well.
That's all we have on this episode of NFL Draft
Preview presented by Verizon Free Agency Full Swing here, and
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then next week we'll get back to full draft mode day.
Thanks a lot to talk to you next week. Thanks Eason,
Welcome to another episode of NFL Draft Preview, presented by
Verizon Ethan Greenberg, Dane Brugler. Dane, this is an exciting
time of the year. It's not your time of year
because it's not draft season right now, it's being put
on pause. This is full fledge, full fledge, full fledge
free agency season right now. Obviously, a lot of smoke
right now with the Jets in a certain quarterback that
no one really knows what's going on, and by the
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time this podcast airs, maybe something will have happened. But
as the time that we were recording, the Jets right
now seem to be in talks with Aaron Rodgers. No
one really knows, but that's the status. So and we'll
see what happens in terms of a trade compensation, whether
it's draft, whether it's players in return, if it in
fact happens. Right So, there's like a lot of things
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that were like, if that happens, maybe maybe, maybe maybe,
But all that to say right now with the Jets,
what's your take on what could happen before we talk
about the draft. I mean, it's we're talking a little
bit before we hit record about how it seems like
there's too much smoke in the room. You know, you
can barely breathe with all the smoke. So it seems
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like that's the direction we're headed, which is going to
be a lot of fun. We've seen some reactions already
from guy, you know, Garrett Wilson, and you know, I
think just the aside from obviously what's going to happen
on the field, just the vibe that it brings, I
think we overwhelmingly positive to that locker room, to the
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fan base, and so yeah, I mean, I'm just like you.
I'm waiting hitting hitting refresh on Twitter, waiting for the
news to come across, see what happens, so we can,
you know, kind of move on and start preparing for it.
So this is what we know, okay, and we're gonna
use free agency as a tool to talk about the
Jets draft. We know that the Jets have gone out
to California right reportedly so to talk to Aaron Rodgers.
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That's all we know in regard to a R twelve.
Then it was reported today by ESPN's Adams Jefter that
Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb could be options for the Jets,
and then most recently, Marcedes Lewis the tight end. So
right now, if you were to look at the Jets
offense right as it stands, and using the reports that
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are out there to talk about what could happen in
April in Kansas City for the Jets, you would imagine
that free agency not re ord. You'd imagine wide receiver
not really on the board at least early for the Jets.
If they would have potentially Lazard Cobb, maybe Corey Davis
he's under contract as we record this, Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore.
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That's a pretty loaded wide receiver group. And you look
at the tight ends you're talking about c j Uzama,
Tyler Conklin, Jeremy Rockard, potentially Marcedes Lewis, You're probably not
looking at a tight end there. The offensive line specifically
tackle we talked about, but one position that we have
not talked about yet is center. Connor McGovern has been
a staple for the Jets the last three season, started
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all seventeen games for the Jets. He was one of
two offensive linemen to do so. The other one was
lake In Tomlinson. So let's say the Jets want to
add a center in the draft, what is the earliest
option for the Jets that you think makes sense based
on the talent that's available. I think there are two
guys that you could look at in the second round
and say, Okay, these are guys we can plug in
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and they're gonna help our offense pretty quickly. The more
pro ready of the two is John Michael Schmidtz from Minnesota,
six three and a half, three hundred pounds. He's a
six year senior super senior, so he's played a lot
of football and he's a he's a true center. I
mean he lines up in the pivot and he's got
the frame for it, the mass, he's really good with angles,
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he's very skillful with the way he uses his hands,
positions his body, and he's just been a guy that's
been rock steady, very very consistent. Not note the best
athlete you know out there, but you know he can move,
he's got the strength, he's got the finishing attitude. So
I think that he's can consistency get a little bit better. Yeah,
and that's why we're talking about him as probably more
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of a second rounder than a first rounder. But he's
a functional pro starter. But he's my number two center
in this class. My number one center in this class
is Joe Titman from Wisconsin. A little bit taller than
your your usual center. He's six six, three hundred and
thirteen pounds. He was a tackle uh in high school
and then when he goes to Wisconsin, they liked to
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cross train. So he's working out as a guard, he's
working out as a tackle, but in order to get
the best five on the field, they moved him the
center because he has that athleticism, he has that the
movement skills that you're looking for h and he's he's
so good at getting out in space, very fluid, very
rangy for that size, and he's very smart. I mean,
he's a he's a guy that understands what the defense
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is doing and he reaches the point before the the
defender and he has the play strength to hold up.
So now he's a little probably a little bit more
unpolished than John Michael Schmitz, so maybe there's a little uh,
you know, he's spends too much time on the ground.
He needs to improve and some of those technical areas.
But he's a guy that has the quickness, has the power,
has the vision and they're all that's what you want.
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At the center position. So as long as you especially
for a team running a lot of wide zone and
get out in space, that's where Titman really thrives. And
so he's a possibility there in the second round. Maybe
not as polished as you're looking for, but I think
he has position flex and I think that he's a
guy that you know he's going to be a long
time starter for your line. Do you think both of
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those guys are like, what are the chances both guys
are available by the time the Jets select in the
second round? Or is there a chance that one, if
not both of those guys are scooped up. There's a
good chance those are the only two centers drafted in
the first three rounds. And because of that, it's it's
not a bad center class. It's just an okay center class.
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There's some decent options on day three, you know, talk
about Luke Whippler from Ohio State, Ricky Stromberg Arkansas, Alex
Forsyth Oregon. I mean, there's some quality center options once
you get to day three, and maybe even one or
two of those guys sneaks into the top one hundred
just because the need is so great for some of
these teams. But I think when you talk about those
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top two guys, because it's not a great center group
in the top one hundred picks, maybe one of those
two centers goes a little bit earlier than maybe they should,
even in the first round. So it's really hard to
say at this point if one or both will be
there when the Jets pick in the second round, because
some of these teams have a needed center and there
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don't want to wait until the second round to find out.
So it will be interesting to see how long these
guys will last. I'm thinking about the second round and
centers just in recent memory, Like let's say the Jets
don't resign Connor mc government, there's a chance that he
does resign. Because free agency is a fluid situation, anything
can happen at any time. I just felt my watch
buzz just making sure it wasn't something crazy, and I
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don't think it is as of now, and it is
not to something about Michael Thomas and the Saints. Okay,
But Diana Russini of ESPN tweeted a couple minutes ago
that Aaron Rodgers has provided the New York Jets with
a wish list of free agents he would like them
to target and acquire. Per sources, it includes Randall Cobb,
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Alan Lazard, Marcedes Lewis, who we've all mentioned so far
on NFL Draft Preview presented by Verizon, and one more
player who is an offensive weapon, Odell Beckham Junior. So
so that is, I guess, according to Diana Russini, a
part of the free agent wish list provided from Aaron
Rodgers to the New York Jets, who is not the
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Jets quarterback as of now. Again, this is all just hearsay,
This is all smoke. We don't know what's going on,
but that is what is being reported right now. And
so back to the draft talk, back to the center talk.
Connor McGovern might be a Jet next year, he might
not be. But let's say the Jets, for all intents
and purposes for this conversation, decide to draft a guy
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I'm thinking about recent memory. In twenty twenty one, the
Kansas City Chiefs selected Creed Humphrey in the second round,
and that was picked number sixty three. The pick before
that was Josh Myers, who snapped the ball to Aaron
Rodgers for the Green Bay Packers. Creed Humphrey is obviously
a very good player in this league that was acquired
in the second round of the draft. The first center
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selected in twenty twenty one, I think was technically Landon Dickerson,
But Landon Dickerson also had that position versatility where he
played anywhere. He doesn't play center right now for the
Philadelphia Eagles, he plays guard. So do you think that
teams might overthink any of those two guys? When Creed Humphrey,
to me, who's not the draft expert you are, seemed
like pretty much a plug and play guy, and he
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got fell to the second round and obviously was a
plug and play guy and a very good one. I
have yet to hear a good reason why Creed Humphrey
fell as far as he did. I mean, the Chiefs
just got I mean sometimes in the draft it takes luck,
you know, the right guy to fall to you, and
that's what happened for the Chiefs that year. No idea
why most NFL teams overthought a guy like that who
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had such a great tape, tested well, had had a
good Senior Bowl. Uh. I mean, there's there are so
many things pointing to him being a really strong NFL starter.
And we're seeing that right now with the Chiefs with
these two guys. You know, I think it'd be easy
to when uh, you know, you got a guy like
Joe Tittman who is a little bit taller than you know,
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your usual center, and that might be an issue for
some teams. Uh he spends way too much time on
the ground and needs to improve his pad level. So
some of those issues maybe, uh it could be uh
something that keeps a team from drafting a joke Tittman
and a top fifty John Michael schmidtz. He's an older player.
He's gonna be twenty four years old. Uh he's uh
this next week, I believe. So, you know, he's a
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guy that has uh, you know, been around a long time,
and some teams will overthink that. So, you know, to
be a creed Humphrey is a tough thing to put
on either one of these two guys, because Humphrey was,
you know, such a really talented prospect. I don't think
either of these two guys are quite on that level.
But we're talking about two guys that can be NFL starters,
and you know, when you're drafting Day two, that should
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be the goal. It shouldn't be to you know, hopefully
we find a pro bowler. Let's let's just get good players.
Let's get starters where we're gonna help us win and
help us get to where we want to go, and
that's the playoffs in the super Bowl. All right, So
moving on here on our I'm gonna call this like
the crossover edition between free agency and the draft, because
free agency crystallizes the draft picture, right, Like, isn't that
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how that works from an evaluation perspective when looking at
mock drafts and doing that exercise. Yeah, that's fair. I mean,
you know because obviously teams, based on what they do
with free agency, that alters what they do in the draft.
And you know, you always draft talent over need, and
especially early, but especially when we talk about second round,
third round, you know, it's that's where you try to
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plug some of those holes. And so yeah, the free
agency monk drafts for for you to see a monk
drafts after free agency understandably look a lot different. All right,
So it is March fourteenth, Spring training is going on
in baseball right now? Can I throw a curve at
you right here? You're ready? You're ready for this Okay.
So in Indianapolis when we were at the Combine, we
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did two live shows. One of them, Rhet Lewis of
NFL Network came on the live show and he was
talking about a guy as he would view as a
potential option at thirteen in what is already a pretty
loaded room for the Jets. I would say, in terms
of players that they've invested in, whether that be draft,
capital wise or financially, that's tight end. Rhet Lewis loves
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Dalton Kincaid, and he said so much so that he
would consider drafting him with the thirteenth overall selection if
it were in fact a best player available approach for
the Jets. Would that shoe fit for the Green and White?
I mean, I think if you're drafting Dalton Kincaid, if
you're here the Jet, I think you're probably drafting him
as more of a wide receiver. So I mean, I
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think looking at your the roster, especially if they sign
Alan Blizzard, you know you have, it's kind of crowded
with guys that are going to be operating out of
the slot. So I think it would be a little
redundant in terms of role and what you want these
guys to be. But Dalton Kincaid is the best pure
pass catcher in this draft and just talking about being
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able to go up, isolate the football, come down with
it better than any receiver in this draft, better than
any other tight end in this draft. So if you're
you know, I don't. He's not a true in line
tight end. He's more of a weapon in the slot.
A guy with burst, with body control, outstanding ball skills.
Drops on his tape. I mean, you need a magnifying glass.
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They're just they're hard to find. So this is a guy.
He's got a basketball background, you see it on the field,
natural ball winner, He trusts his hands, He's a very
good route runner and really good after the catch as well,
that transition, you know, secure and go. So for me,
don't Kincaide on this team? Yeah, it's a little redundant,
but you know, there's only so many targets to go around,
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especially if they signed some of these guys that we've
been talking about. But if you're looking to get better
on offense with your skill players, I can understand how
you would come to the conclusion that, hey, don't Kincaide
does that for us? So you know, again, well, I
think it's it might be a little bit crowded with
what they could be doing in free agency. Don't Kincade
makes your offense better because he is again the best
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pure pass catcher in the draft, and were the other
thirteenth overall pick regardless of who picks there. Yeah, I
mean it would not be hard to talk yourself into that.
I mean, I think on my board he's in the twenties,
you know, and so. But again, because you can never
have too many weapons, and so if you feel like
Dolt Kincaide is going to move your offense and you know,
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it's I can certainly understand why you draft him as
as high as the top fifteen. And is he your
tight end? One knows. I've got all these tighten the
top four tight ends pretty closely together, and it's just
it's ice cream flavors. It depends on what you want.
If you want a true inline guy, Michael Mayor is
your guy, you know and so. But if you want
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more of the sixth offensive lineman's got up you know,
passing pass catching a potential, he's ascending Darnell Washington. If
you want the best combo where he's a good athlete,
but you can also block for you Luke Musgrave from
Oregon State, and then if you want the best your
pass catcher, that's Kincaid. So it's they're all ice cream flavors.
They're all good. It just matters what you're you know,
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what you're looking for. So you know, I think every
team is gonna be looking at these tight end rankings
a little bit differently with based off of what they
have on their roster already, how their offense operates, and
the exact type of role they have in mind for
their tight end. I've definitely asked you this before, and
I don't care I'm gonna ask it again. You brought
it up, so it's your own fault. Ice cream. What
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is your favorite ice cream flavor? Um, anything with heath
heath pieces in it? How about that? For the answer?
What I love it? It's it's the best out there.
So yeah, it's uh, you know you're getting a blizzard
from Dairy Queen, it's always heath if you're going, you know,
even if you're having something at home, have some heath
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pieces off to the side so you just there, you
can't go. You like cold Stone where they just mix
it all in together. For you. It's one big lump
of whatever you get. I mean, you can't go wrong, right,
I mean it's uh, I think I can't. Well, I'm
not knocking it. I mean I'm not knocking it. Wait,
hold on, I'm not. I just want to be clear here,
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I'm not knocking it. I just was not expecting you.
I was not expecting to be talking about a heath
bar today. Like I had to google it to make
sure that I knew what it was, just to you know,
make sure if you're listening and you're like, I was
just making sure that I that I had every ingredient
in a heath bar in my head. I don't know
what you know. I don't know in my lifetime if
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I've ever gone to the store and purchased a heath
bar and and or if a buddy of mine or
whatever has given me a heath bar and I've eaten
it from start to finish. I don't know. I honestly
think the answers no, So I think I need to
do it and get a review. Are you a big
toffee guy? Uh? I mean yeah, heath Yes, I mean
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I don't. I don't eat a ton of sweets. But again,
I mean when I have ice cream, it's you know, yeah,
it's the heath bar. That's uh yeah, I can't go
wrong with that. Yeah, I feel like Scheftery by the way,
I feel like I'm like Adam Schefter or Ian Rappaport
or any of these insiders, like looking at my phone
making sure nothing happens. Garrett Bradberry just resigned with the vikings.
I think if I read that correctly in my two
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seconds anyway, Yeah, speak exactly right on cute, Thank you, Garrett.
My um my go to ice cream is honestly, it's
probably one of two. It's either mint chocolate chip if
it looks good, and if it's not, I'm probably going
something that's cookie dough or oreo based, like a cookies
and cream you know, like that for me, or chocolate
jip cookie though I'm pretty simple. Um. I mean that's again,
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but that's that's that's why the analogy fits, right, because
these guys, you know, they're all good. You know that
that sounds amazing. Uh. It just depends on what you're
looking for at that time point in time, you know.
And mint chocolate chip is a polarizing flavor, just for
the record, because some people love it, some people hate it.
It's kind of I feel like it's like the cilantrow
of ice cream flavors. That crazy. Well, it's in my house. Yeah,
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my wife loves mint chocolate chip. I'm it's okay, It's fine.
I'm not gonna turn it down. But I definitely wouldna
be my first choice. So yeah, I can understand that.
But we can respect each other's choices and still make
our selections with full confidence, kind of like the tight
ends in twenty twenty three. All that to say, the
Jets have a very loaded room though, like I said,
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Tyler Conklin cj Uzama both returned. They were signed last
year in free agency. Jeremy Ruckert, the third round pick
from last year on the Kenny Yoboa on the roster,
Marcedes Lewis could be on the roster, depending on what
happens in free agency. If you're just tuning in, it
was reported that he is that the Jets could be
interested in Marcedes Lewis. Now, any let's move on to
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the defensive side of the ball. The one position we
didn't really talk about was running back, and I want
to get to that later because the Jets have a
good room with Breece Hall returning, Michael Carter and Zonovan
bam Knight, but the Jets could always look to add
another horse in the stable, whether that be free agency
or the draft. But defensively here, when you take a
look at what's going on, you would imagine the Jets
are pretty set in the back end of the defense
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when you're talking about Sauce Gardner and DJ Reid at corner,
Michael Carter the second as well, then at safety Jordan
White had under contract. The Jets reportedly agreed to terms
to acquire Chuck Clark from the Ravens. Zach won't be
official until the start of the new league year when
nat can be processed in March fifteenth, so that is
tomorrow at four pm Eastern Standard time. So for the Jets,
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you're probably looking at reserve roles in corner and secondary
and safety. Excuse me. So with that being said, let's
creep down a level. Linebacker C J. Mosley, Quincy Williams, resigned,
Kwan Alexander a free agent Jamie Sherwood could be in
line for some more playing time, So again that seems
to be maybe second or third round. And on defensive line,
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is where it gets interesting, specifically defensive tackle, because Sheldon
Rankins is an unrestricted free agent. He played a pretty
big role for the Jets last year, and the Jets
always like to add defensive linemen. So with that being said,
whether it be thirteen, whether it be forty three, the
second round pick, or the third round, who are guys
that play inside at defensive tackle or have position versatility
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where they could go inside and outside like John Franklin Myers.
That could be an option for the New York Jets. Yea,
And if we're talking first round, you know, do the
Jets need to do extra homework on ailing Carter just
in case he were to fall you know, with his
off the field question marks, I find it hard to
believe he would fall out of the top ten, but
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maybe you do a little bit extra homework just in
case that situation arises. Now more realistically, I think when
you look to day two, that's where I think you're
gonna find some of the value a defensive tackle. If
you're looking for a true run stopper or a guy
that can really plug the middle. Mazzi Smith from Michigan's
your guy, a guy that is really good against doubles.
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He has some quickness so he can win one on ones.
But you know, he's a guy that you're going to
plug in the middle. It's an unsexy position, but he's
going to really help your run game. If you're looking
for more of a upside penetrator in the second round
than Girvon Dexter from Florida, this guy is huge, six six,
three hundred fifteen pounds basketball background, still learning kind of
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the you know, the biomechanics of how to use his
body to win with leverage and you know, use all
these gifts that he as to be disruptive. But there's
a lot of talent there with Girvon Dexter. So you're
you're buying him uh, you know, low, and then you're
looking at the upside in two three years and saying, Okay,
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this guy could end up being a playmaker for us.
But if you're looking for someone more that's going to
help right away because it Dexter is more of a
a long term pick. I think you're looking at um,
you know, maybe a Zach Pickens from South Carolina. He's
probably gonna be in that third round mix. Former five
star guy who has quickness, has power. Um, you know
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can and can play multiple positions up front. Um, you
know I think that uh Keanu Betton from Wisconsin, He's
also in that mix. A guy that was a nose
for the Badgers but has passwash potential. We saw it
at the Senior Bowl one on ones. Um he was
able to win those because of his quickness, because of
his hands. So Keanu Betton in the third round could
be an option. So this is a pretty decent defensive
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tackle class, depending on what you're looking for and where
you want to spend. Uh. You know, the such a
your draft capital in the position, and you know that
the Jets always want to add depth and at the
D line position, whether that's on the inside or the outside.
And the way it is right now, when you take
a look at who's unrestricted free agent, you're looking at
Sheldon Rankins and Nathan Shephard. So let's just say those
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guys are gone for all intents and purposes. Then you're
looking at a potential hole that the Jets need to
fill and the Jets defensive ends right now. Or Carl Lawson,
Jermaine Johnson, John Franklin Myers has that position versatility, Bryce
huff An RFA who I believe is going to be tendered,
if not already. So there's depth, there's but the inside
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of it is definitely where the Jets need some help.
So I would say the only other position that I
would want to bring up is really linebacker. We haven't
really talked about, but for the Jets with resigning Quincy Williams,
I would imagine that would be a Round three or
a Day three option for the Jets. The Jets like
athletic linebackers who typically played safety at one point in
their career. Is there anyone that comes to mind that
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fits that bill for you? Definitely a couple of guys, yeah,
once you get to early day three that might fit
to Marveon Over shown from Texas sixty three, two hundred
and thirty pounds. Uh, he was a safety out of
high school. Uh, and then he made the move to linebacker.
They played him, they played him all over. They played
him as more of a Sam, they played him as
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more of a will. They they moved him around a
little bit. And because he has a athleticism, he's a
four or five guy, really really quick, he's explosive, he's
got range. Uh, you know, he can mirror at the
line of scrimmage with ease. Uh, that downfield speed you know,
shows up as a blitzer as well, So overshown would
be in that mix in the fourth round. And then
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I mean, if you really want a guy with speed,
Owen uh Papo from Auburn, he brings it every time.
Maybe this guy is he was He had like double
digit recruiting offers an eighth grade. He had the nickname
the freak in middle school. This is he's he's had
been a kind of a tall tale growing up in
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Georgia for a long time. Goes to Auburn. I don't
know that he necessarily lives up to being, you know,
the five star that he was. But man, he's an athlete.
At the combine he ran a four three nine at
six foot two hundred twenty five pounds. This guy can move,
so he's got that freaky speed strength. Again, I don't
know that, you know, the instincts are necessarily on the
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same level. Uh. You know, he'll take some false steps,
will be at a position. Uh. You don't want him
in the middle. You want him more on the outside
where he can run and chase and use that speed.
But he can he can flow downhill. He can and
he'll stroke guys over the middle. Um, you know, there's
he he has some change of directions, so you know,
you feel like he can cover and uh, you know,
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hold his own against tight ends and backs, and then
plus he gives you something on special teams because of
that speed, because of that toughness. So those two guys
would make sense in the fourth round. Last position that
I kind of want to hit on today because we
talked about safety a little bit in the past, is
return man because for the Jets, the Jets are scheduled
to release Brax and Barrios at the start of the
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new league year, and he's been the Jets part returner
kick returner for the past pretty much three seasons. So
for the Jets, if they were to look to add
somebody in the draft that's maybe returns, maybe he plays offense, defense, whatever.
Who are the top options as returners that the Jets
could look to add. Devin eight change from Texas A
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and M is going to be a really interesting player
to see where he goes in the drafts. I think
based off of ability, he should go top fifty. But
you know, he's one hundred and eighty eight pounds and
a lot of teams are not interested in a running
back that's one hundred eighty eight pounds. But maybe when
you get to the third round, uh, you know a
guy like that who can be a weapon out of
the backfield. He can be that change of pace option
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that you want, but then also help you out as
a return man. That's what he gives you. I mean,
he has return experience. He has again ninety six yard
kick return in college, ninety five yard kick return in college.
So that speed that he brings can really be a
difference maker. And I think I don't it's hard to
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figure out where his value is in terms of where
exactly is he'd be drafted, because again I think he
belongs top fifty or so. But at one hundred and
eighty eight pounds, that's just gonna be a problem for
a lot of teams. But if you're using him as
a rotational back and as a return man, you know,
he's a guy that could be a real weapon for
an offense and then also on special teams. What you
just said is probably if he were a Jet for
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any running back, is what would happen? Because the Jets
have obviously a lot of very talented horses in the
stable per se at running back, so he would be
in the rotation, whether that be a chain or somebody else,
and then also in the mix at returner as well.
That's all we have on this episode of NFL Draft
Preview presented by Verizon Free Agency Full Swing here, and
(26:57):
then next week we'll get back to full draft mode day.
Thanks a lot to talk to you next week. Thanks Eason,
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