December 11, 2024 • 24 mins
This week on Jordan & Jake, the guys remember former Panthers Director of Player Security, JC Felder, react to the final college football playoff rankings, embrace the Panthers finally being favored to win a game and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Go good.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'm excited, ready to go the home stops.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who, George Grouse?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor remembers Jordan Gross
and Jake Delome.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Jordan Gross, Jake DeLoone, Jordan's Jake Podcast. Jake, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I've done great, Jordan. How about yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I am doing pretty good. Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm going to start right off with some Panther family
news that pretty much anybody listening that's not uh an intimate.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Member of the Panthers organization will not.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Know this, gentleman, but we lost a dear member of
the Panthers' staff. Had a player security for a number
of years.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
J C.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Felder was a police officer in the Mecha Charlie Meckbury
Police found a police department for you know, a couple
of decades. He passed earlier this week, and it's been
a sad week for us. He was the guy that
just took care of anything that US players needed. He
was always at practice, he traveled with the team, love
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to cut jokes, do anything for you and just I
wanted to send out our condolences to his family, and uh,
just man, what a guy.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Jacob, Yeah, Jordan, you know, it's a you think about
when players talk about missing the locker room. Yeah, you
missed the paychecks, you missed Sunday's and all that, but
you missed the locker room. You missed the jokes, you
miss all that. And it's so many more. It's more
than just players, from the trainers, the equipment managers, just
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everyone involved, and certainly the team security who they're with
you all the time. The team doctors. They weren't our doctors.
I was our friends. And when you think of j. C.
Felder and Jane Brown and all those guys, you think
of John Coleman, who's still around and a smile, it's
just that that's part of the fabric. And losing JC,
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the first thing I thought of was just all the
good times and the laughs that we had and his
his cackle that he had when he laughed, and it's
just it just puts a smile on your face, and yeah,
what a great guy and great fun memories that I
can recall.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, I got a text two mornings ago or yesterday morning,
and it was from his phone that run like, what's
this guy up to? And it was his a family
member that was letting me know so that he would
want to make sure that I knew that he had passed,
and so that actually made me emotional. But then you
start thinking about memories and like you said, man, it's
like so many funny ones and including him. Do you
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remember when we made a put together like a March
Madness tournament of forty yard dash races from staffers of
the Carolina Panthers. So there was like scouting department guys,
there was like marketing people, anybody in the organization. Can
We waited the bracket so that there was favorite desirable
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matchups and the best race of the whole tournament was J. C.
Felder against Gen Brown, who you mentioned. They were two
security head security guys and they both were retired from careers,
so they were I mean, they were in their sixties
and they came out in cleats and everything for a
forty yard dash.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Man, and I can't who won. Do you even remember
who won?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I think Gene Brown ran because J. C. Felder popped
his calf within the first ten yards. It was it
was done on a Friday after practice, Yeah, and I
don't think it was the Super Bowl year. I think
it was the five season when we went to the
NFC Championship game. Yeah, and I can vividly remember, Yeah,
you have a Friday practice. It was later in the season.
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Things are going well, and you know, when things are
going well, it's just god, you just love being around
each other. And like that was the talk. It wasn't
Friday practice. Short yardist goal line, Brent Zone finished with
two minutes. It was like, oh my gosh, when practice ins,
we're having the race with Felder and Jean Bryant.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, that's all everybody, the coaches too.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Every It was multiple weeks long, this tournament because you
only raced this on Friday, and everybody stayed after practice
to watch it. I remember JC came out with like
a Rick Flair drif rode on.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
He came out with like hype music and then threw
it off and ran and the equipment guys had everybody
outfitted and like gloves, and I didn't Reggie Scott win
the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think Reggie didn't win.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Reggie, who's now the head trainer for the Rams, one
of the you know, great humans, a great trainers. Yeah,
it just those are those are the things you missed
because you said it one time and talking to the team.
You know, Coach Fox always had players addressed the team
on Fridays, and I remember vividly. I remember many talks
and you said something. You were like, you know, guys,
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here we are. We're getting the King paid the Kings
ramps and to play a child's game. And here I
am at practice, my hands all taped, and I can
put somebody in the headlock and you know, kind of
just kind of give him a noogie, put them in
the headlock. He said, where can you do that in
one of these skyscrapers? Just walk into somebody's office and
things like that. It just kind of that's what it was.
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Those are the just the little silly acts that we
did that were It's just so fun, and that's what
you missed the most.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Uh. But yeah, he will be He will be missed, man.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And the cool thing about a loss like that is
how you it reconnects other people. So this week has
been all about group text messages of guys we played with.
I got one group thread going right now that's got
Brandon Bean on it and Brian Porter, all former Panther
guys have moved on to other organizations, and Ryan Vermillion's
in there. I was texting with Ron Rivera. Everybody's just
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sharing the news. So again, just a big loss for
the Panther family. And man, I'm smiling talking about that guy.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Uh yeah, Jake, because that's what that's Jarny put a
smile on our face. So that's you, though you've left
the legacy and you touched them live. So condolences to
the Feld family. He's certainly is a Carolina legend.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's outstanding man, just a great friend.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Switching gears. I live in Idaho. As you know, we
got a team out here called Boise State that has
made quite the splash this year in college football.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Jag.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We don't normally talk a lot of college football, but
I wanted to hear your thoughts on two things. One
the college football playoff brackets and are you excited for
that whole deal?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And two who's gonna win the Heisman?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I think the Heisman's a foregone conclusion. I believe Travis
Hunter will win it. That's just my opinion. I think
the guy's absolutely freak show love the running back from
Poise I agree, but I just think Hunter. He just
we haven't seen an anything like him.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And yeah, Jordan, I'm excited about the playoffs. I love
college football, don't get me wrong, but the NFL. I
love the NFL. But yeah, it's exciting to see how
it all goes.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, and think about Jordan, I mean, what if
it was just the final four like it has been,
really and truly Besides Oregon, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know, they're they're only really undefeated team.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's you know, they they've played some tough opponents, but
other than that, it's like, man, it was twelve enough
this year. You know, it's just it's it's crazy how
it sounds.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Obregain the only undefeated team, and just looking at it
on paper, I think they got screwed in the bracket.
To be quite honest, I think they get screwed and
how the bracket falls in their favor. But you know,
it'll make for good television, it will make for good ratings,
and anxious to watch it all unfold.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It does make for good television, and it's exciting being
in an area where there's a team that's making big splashes.
I think Dancy should be the Heisman winner because his
team is in the playoffs, they got a first round
by and he's approaching the all time single season rushing records.
So that's my argument for that, but nobody really cares.
All right, We'll move on to another Heisman Trophy winner
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or a Heisman Trophy winner, not speculative. Our quarterback Bryce Young, Jake,
he's continuing to look pretty darn good man. And the
Philly game, it just took the breath out of me. Man,
the way that that thing ended. We had a drop
pass for a touchdown. Somebody bet three point one million
dollars on that game, and I know, and I was
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thinking about that the whole time, like, Holy this is
I mean, there's so many things that could be motivating
these guys.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It was a great game, Jake. We're continuing to move
in the right direction. But Doug gone, Man, we should
have won.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, Jordan, I think that's you feel that way two
weeks in a row. I think we said it last
week the Kansas City game was feel good, Okay, we're
moving in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Because you had saw a couple of weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
With the wins against the Giants in the Saints and
then the Tampa game, he felt like a gut.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Punch, the missfield goals and the missopportunities.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Uh, and then gosh, the Eagles, I mean, this good
football team, man, that's one of the leading teams at NFC.
And just the way we're playing defensively and then offensively
watching Tuber run gut punch during the game with Jonathan Brooks,
but then again on the three yard line backed up
and just Rice make it plays and guys make it plays,
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and just the confidence that he's playing with. And certainly
when he when he let the pass go, when he
stepped up and he let the pass go.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I just always feel I can.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You can just sense a quarterback's body language when he's throwing, like,
oh my gosh, I see something there. It is it's open.
And when he threw it, I said to myself, oh,
he's there's something, you know. And man, it was a
I still thought he caught it, you know, it wasn't
until the reps kind of huddled. I'm like, oh my gosh,
they're obviously a lot closer. Was it a bibble? And
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sure enough it hit the ground, and yeah, it's disheartening.
It's it's just hard. You know, team, you want to
get over the hump. I think that's the biggest thing.
It's time to get over the hump. And and what
better way. Listen, it would have been great to do
it in Philly against an unbelievable uh talented team, a
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quality football team.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So but we have another opportunity this week.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Against the Dallas team that had an unfortunate loss on
Monday night, had some injuries and there on a short
week and they got to come to Carolina.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I believe we're the favorite for the first time
in like two years. We are, so.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
The first time in two years, we're the favorite, Jake,
and I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Let's embrace it, right, let's embrace it. Let's let's get
better this week, and let's embrace it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And you know Dallas, Yeah, we understand how they travel,
but so what our Panther fans are gonna show up,
They're gonna be loud.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I don't see how we can't we I mean, I
can see how we don't win, Jake, But this is
like we've been playing the tough teams.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We've been getting back on our you know, our feet
back underneath us.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Steeln's playing awesome. Brice is looking really good man.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He's smiling, he's having fun.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
He's looking like the guy that we all, you know,
had seen flashes that we thought he could be. So
now you gotta be Dallas at home right around Christmas time.
I mean, there's no other way around it. All these
other games, yeah, we haven't been favored, We've been the underdogs.
So there's this little like, Yeah, you know, we're moving
I've said it a million times.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
We're moving in the right direction. But now you're favored,
you're back at home. It's Dallas.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Their quarterback is Cooper Rush. I believe for this game,
we gotta win this thing.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, Jordan, listen, I watched Dallas closely on Monday night
and was able to watch the Giants game from a
couple of weeks ago. Hey, listen, they had Dallas. Michael
Parsons is a problem. He's a problem, and for Dallas
he's a problem in a good way. For us, he's
a problem in a bad way. He got after us
pretty good when they came to Carolina, and we're gonna
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have to know where he's at. A lot of times
he lines up over the right tackle, but they'll move
him around. He's really playing well, and they had an
unfortunate injury a young linebacker, Overshawn who was playing outstanding
for them, number thirteen. He tore every ligament in his
knee on Monday night, and that was disheartening because he's
a guy that they drafted second and third round out
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of Texas, missed last year, was playing great and that's
a big loss to them. So hopefully he could come back,
and there's even speculation he'll miss next season, but that
was a big loss for them. So but they have
started to get some guys back fairly healthy on that
football team, Ceedee Lambs, problem, Cooper Rush. He doesn't try
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to do a whole lot. Mike McCarthy, I think is
a fabulous football coach. I love how the media tries
to spin it that he's such a terrible coach. It's
just it's insane. As I guess people they don't watch film.
That's a lazy narrative. With a team that's won twelve
games three years in a row, and they're doing a
good job of that football team and unfortunately they had
a blunder on special teams other night that probably cost
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them to win. So a team that It's gonna be
a tough task, but listen, we're playing well.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's more about us than anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Headline from last week's game that's super unfortunate is something
that the Panther fans have seen before. But Jonathan Brooks
towards ACL for the second time, I say that we've
seen that before. Obviously I'm leading to Thomas Davis who
did it three times, but.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Just brutal, Jake.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I mean, I've never had an ACL tear. I've had
some other injuries. I had another injury that was seed
an ending. And how much you have to dang fight
back to get back on the field, to barely sniff
the field and then know that you've got to reset
that whole process again, Jake, I mean, that's that's devastating.
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So Jonathan Brooks, I just man, everybody's wishing him well
and all that. Everybody said how tough that is. But Jake,
you can't overstate how hard this process is going to
be the second time.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Have not been in his shoes, so I can't, you know.
But the only thing I can think of is that
you know, there's somebody in Charlotte that's around the great
amount that you can lean on, and that's Thomas Davis.
He tore three acls two in the same leg, you know,
and then ended up playing one another eight nine.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Ten years after. I mean, but I can vividly remember Jordan.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I was in Cleveland and we're driving back from an Ota,
and I guess I had it on the NFL radio
and I heard that Thomas Davis or I might have
gotten a text, probably from Ryan Vermilion. And I called
Thomas because I just I didn't want to text any
answered and he said yeah, and I said, buddy, I
just don't know what to tell you, like, I'm so sorry,
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and he was like, I just don't understand why. I said,
I can't understand either, But I said, look, if anybody
can overcome a shoe and the sure enough he did.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So, uh. I know that's that's all just botter.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But you know there's something that John can lean towards,
and you just think about the precautions the team took.
He was on the public this and he came back
and he had the twenty one day window and we
did not activate him in Germany because the fields was
it was a soft field. Remember, they're gonna give it
another week and then another week is gonna buy. I mean,
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the team tried to do everything in his favor and
for whatever reason's Mondela setback. So you'll have every opportunity
to rehab and come back, and the team's gonna do
everything in their power to.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Make sure it's the best rehab possible.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And you know Kevin will do a great job of
that staff and try to get him back, you know,
because he I think he'll be a valuable member of
this this football team at some point.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
The day that Thomas Davis towards ACL the third time
I told him, he asked me what I thought. I said,
I don't think you should play anymore, but it's not
looking good. And I said it a little more sensitive
than that, Jake, but I was like, I'm third times
a charm.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I've said this on this show before, but a good
thing he didn't listen to me. So, I mean, the
history is there, it can be done. But man, just
tough man to not have got to play much at
all and have to deal with that again.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Incredibly incredibly difficult.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
So the Cowboys are coming here, Jake, what what do
you expect to see out of the game.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Are you calling the game?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yes, sir, Okay, you're coming back.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're going to be in the house. I mean, what's
it going to take?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And can Bryce keep doing his thing, keep playing well,
and then before you're done, I want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The implications for our draft.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
With Bryce doing a great job in this season, out
kind of where you think we sit.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So start with the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Listen, I think the biggest thing, Jordan and I think
it's every week you know we're I don't think we're
that team that can turn over the football, you know,
a couple of times and have a chance to win.
You hope for no turnovers, and that's something that we've
done a decent job of. And the one turnover came
back to Bid this last week. They were able to
get points right before the half, and so you know, listen,
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we can't turn the ball. You have to win first
down and that's by running the football or you know,
high completion passing game and be effective on third down. Man,
we got to be effective on third down, extend some drives,
especially for our defense, who I think they're really doing
a good job.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm anxious to see our injury report. I do know
j C.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Horn did not finish the game. That could be a
blow to us if he's not able to go. Hopefully
he is and then create a turnover on our end.
I mean, that's something that it's so valuable in the NFL.
If you can win the turnover battle plus one plus two,
the numbers just go up tremendously in favor of winning
whenever you do get a turnover or you're on the
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plus side at the turnover margin.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So but Man just continued growth, Jordan, I go back
to it. We're running the ball pretty during good SHOWBA.
I thought it looked really well running the football.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And I don't know how much you follow certain people
or Twitter or whatnot, but Brian Baldinger is a long
time NFL analyst, played in the league. I've been knowing
Ryan for gosh almost thirty years, and I respect his
work because he puts in the time in the work
and he's just a grunt in the film room. And
he did a little something on Twitter and he talked
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about the fistfight that was last week between Jalen.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Carter and Raw and Big Rob.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
For us man, it was unbelievable watching Robert Hunt and
Jalen Cord just go after it and and each one
would take turns getting the better of each other. But man,
it was that that was good to see. And just
watching our o line play once again, Kate Mays, I just, man,
he's playing really good football. And Ikey is gonna get
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a chance to go up against you know, last year,
we had a tough time last year facing Michael Parsons.
So I'm looking forward to some of our matchup where
Parsons is gonna line up over team, mote over Ikey,
move him around, they'll put him inside. So yeah, Jordan,
no turnovers for us a fish and play by Bryce
and third down, third down is huge and red zone
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Jordan touchdowns in the red zone, let's not let's not
kickfield goals?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
All right, that's all it's gonna take that well, I mean,
I know it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But I mean, like that's that's a recipe for.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Success, all right. There it is.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
The draft is months away, but we got I like
talking about it. We're three and ten, Jake, which currently
puts us at pick number four. Any have you thought
at all about any player? Are you looking at any
of that stuff or is that all nonsense?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Until it's offseason.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
To be quite honest, I think for me, I look
at it every week.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You know, you think about the King, I think about it,
think about the Kansas City game, like my gosh, who
could have won that game? But you know what, it
helps protect the draft status, you know, if you know,
if we're picked earlier than we wanted, we get somebody,
and then you fast forward the following week and you
feel like a gut punch only saving grace. I took
out of the Tampa game as well, we kept the
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draft pick. I guess you could say, you know whatnot.
And then this past last week, that's went through my
mind one more time. I'd be very honest, it's like
all right, you know, but like and I get it,
but like you just you want to win for the guy.
You want to win, for the locker room. You want
to win.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And and listen, you got to get the drift pick right.
I mean that's another thing. You got to get it right.
You can draft.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Wherever you want. We've seen many many busts. I mean,
you know, we've seen teams that have had runs. I
mean you look at San fran They traded up everything
and all that to get a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Trey Lance, who is stuck as the number three guy
in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, so you got to get the right guy.
But I guess that's the only saving grace is what
I think about sometimes.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Well, and there's a big Xale happening, I would have
to think that Ryce Young is playing as well as
he is after Andy Dalton got his reps, So got
to be feel a little bit more comfortable when we
do move into the off season.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Like Jordan, think about it. The way this kid's playing,
I mean, he's really shown, like just find the happiness, right.
You just see the anticipation, the magical thrones that you
saw at Alabama. It's like I'm seeing that. You know,
you saw small glimpses last year. But then man, it's like, Okay,
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the way we're going, I'm not so sure quarterbacks should
even be on the radar, to be quite honest, this
kid's playing good football.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
We got to continue to build this roster.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I think that's the most important You've got to build
a roster in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You definitely have to last thing.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I want to go, we're done, but before we go,
one of my players listens to our podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think weekly, maybe not. He asked me about it
all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Today we were getting ready, we were in weights, getting
ready to get starteds like you recording the podcast today.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I said, yeah, I am at nine twenty.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
He said, all right, I'll be checking out and I said,
you know what, I'm going to give you a little
shout out.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
On the radio.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So, Morgan pettit one of my stud lined safety and
wide receivers on the football team.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know, thank you for listening. Man. You know we
got fans Jake all over the nation.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just so you know, well, Morgan, I appreciate it. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
We hopefully you feel our passionate and excitement about Panther
football and uh and.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And Grizzly football.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
There's no doubt. And look, Jordan, I mean I think
that's one thing I think we can both agree upon it.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I know we may be going a little bit over,
but don't you think we're going in the right direction?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean, like really and truly, from the past few years,
it's been kind of like, oh my god, what are
we doing?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You know now, don't you kind of sense like I
think so, I think we're going in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And that's the beauty of our job, Jake, is that
we don't have to be right. We could just say
whatever we think. So right now, I think we're going
in the right direction, just like you do. I hope
we're right, but we don't have to be right.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I hope we are.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
With you there, I don't hope I think we're right.
I'm sorry, I think we're right.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm bullishit that you can. You can mark that down.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I tell you this much.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It feels so good to think we got a chance
and that we are moving in the right direction, which
I agree with.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I'm just trying to be.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Funny that I don't care how far we drop in
the draft because I want us to win, to finish
this season out, man, like I want to win, get
some wins going the off season. Yeah, we're winning, man,
and then let's go. That's what I'm that's what that's
what I.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Want for Christmas, even though we're two weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Let's think about it. Panthers John fox O two start out.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Three to oh his first year, right, lost the next seven,
if I'm not mistaken, and finished out the year winning
four out of five.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So if you think about it, oh my gosh, they
won four out of five.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
The draft pick. Well, look what happened. We dropped just
fear enough to drive this tackle from Utah named Jordan
grow Right.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I know him.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Before games to go, though, Jake, We're already favored against
Dallas Arizona comes to town. I can see us favored
in that matchup, especially if we beat Dallas at Tampa Bay.
Be a tough game, but we played them closest heck,
just a couple of weeks ago, and then at Atlanta, Jake.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
We could go set why not?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
How would that be one of the best turnarounds in
athletic history, is what that would be? All Right, we
gotta go. I'll talk to you next week. Hey, I'm
going to Stowski and h.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
And Jackson Hole next week before our podcast, so I'll
tell you about it when we get back.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Great, I'm not it sounds good.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
By
Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Go good.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'm excited, ready to go the home stops.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who, George Grouse?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor remembers Jordan Gross
and Jake Delome.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Jordan Gross, Jake DeLoone, Jordan's Jake Podcast. Jake, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I've done great, Jordan. How about yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I am doing pretty good. Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm going to start right off with some Panther family
news that pretty much anybody listening that's not uh an intimate.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Member of the Panthers organization will not.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Know this, gentleman, but we lost a dear member of
the Panthers' staff. Had a player security for a number
of years.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
J C.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Felder was a police officer in the Mecha Charlie Meckbury
Police found a police department for you know, a couple
of decades. He passed earlier this week, and it's been
a sad week for us. He was the guy that
just took care of anything that US players needed. He
was always at practice, he traveled with the team, love
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to cut jokes, do anything for you and just I
wanted to send out our condolences to his family, and uh,
just man, what a guy.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Jacob, Yeah, Jordan, you know, it's a you think about
when players talk about missing the locker room. Yeah, you
missed the paychecks, you missed Sunday's and all that, but
you missed the locker room. You missed the jokes, you
miss all that. And it's so many more. It's more
than just players, from the trainers, the equipment managers, just
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everyone involved, and certainly the team security who they're with
you all the time. The team doctors. They weren't our doctors.
I was our friends. And when you think of j. C.
Felder and Jane Brown and all those guys, you think
of John Coleman, who's still around and a smile, it's
just that that's part of the fabric. And losing JC,
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the first thing I thought of was just all the
good times and the laughs that we had and his
his cackle that he had when he laughed, and it's
just it just puts a smile on your face, and yeah,
what a great guy and great fun memories that I
can recall.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, I got a text two mornings ago or yesterday morning,
and it was from his phone that run like, what's
this guy up to? And it was his a family
member that was letting me know so that he would
want to make sure that I knew that he had passed,
and so that actually made me emotional. But then you
start thinking about memories and like you said, man, it's
like so many funny ones and including him. Do you
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remember when we made a put together like a March
Madness tournament of forty yard dash races from staffers of
the Carolina Panthers. So there was like scouting department guys,
there was like marketing people, anybody in the organization. Can
We waited the bracket so that there was favorite desirable
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matchups and the best race of the whole tournament was J. C.
Felder against Gen Brown, who you mentioned. They were two
security head security guys and they both were retired from careers,
so they were I mean, they were in their sixties
and they came out in cleats and everything for a
forty yard dash.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Man, and I can't who won. Do you even remember
who won?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I think Gene Brown ran because J. C. Felder popped
his calf within the first ten yards. It was it
was done on a Friday after practice, Yeah, and I
don't think it was the Super Bowl year. I think
it was the five season when we went to the
NFC Championship game. Yeah, and I can vividly remember, Yeah,
you have a Friday practice. It was later in the season.
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Things are going well, and you know, when things are
going well, it's just god, you just love being around
each other. And like that was the talk. It wasn't
Friday practice. Short yardist goal line, Brent Zone finished with
two minutes. It was like, oh my gosh, when practice ins,
we're having the race with Felder and Jean Bryant.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, that's all everybody, the coaches too.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Every It was multiple weeks long, this tournament because you
only raced this on Friday, and everybody stayed after practice
to watch it. I remember JC came out with like
a Rick Flair drif rode on.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
He came out with like hype music and then threw
it off and ran and the equipment guys had everybody
outfitted and like gloves, and I didn't Reggie Scott win
the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think Reggie didn't win.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Reggie, who's now the head trainer for the Rams, one
of the you know, great humans, a great trainers. Yeah,
it just those are those are the things you missed
because you said it one time and talking to the team.
You know, Coach Fox always had players addressed the team
on Fridays, and I remember vividly. I remember many talks
and you said something. You were like, you know, guys,
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here we are. We're getting the King paid the Kings
ramps and to play a child's game. And here I
am at practice, my hands all taped, and I can
put somebody in the headlock and you know, kind of
just kind of give him a noogie, put them in
the headlock. He said, where can you do that in
one of these skyscrapers? Just walk into somebody's office and
things like that. It just kind of that's what it was.
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Those are the just the little silly acts that we
did that were It's just so fun, and that's what
you missed the most.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Uh. But yeah, he will be He will be missed, man.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And the cool thing about a loss like that is
how you it reconnects other people. So this week has
been all about group text messages of guys we played with.
I got one group thread going right now that's got
Brandon Bean on it and Brian Porter, all former Panther
guys have moved on to other organizations, and Ryan Vermillion's
in there. I was texting with Ron Rivera. Everybody's just
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sharing the news. So again, just a big loss for
the Panther family. And man, I'm smiling talking about that guy.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Uh yeah, Jake, because that's what that's Jarny put a
smile on our face. So that's you, though you've left
the legacy and you touched them live. So condolences to
the Feld family. He's certainly is a Carolina legend.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's outstanding man, just a great friend.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Switching gears. I live in Idaho. As you know, we
got a team out here called Boise State that has
made quite the splash this year in college football.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Jag.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We don't normally talk a lot of college football, but
I wanted to hear your thoughts on two things. One
the college football playoff brackets and are you excited for
that whole deal?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And two who's gonna win the Heisman?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I think the Heisman's a foregone conclusion. I believe Travis
Hunter will win it. That's just my opinion. I think
the guy's absolutely freak show love the running back from
Poise I agree, but I just think Hunter. He just
we haven't seen an anything like him.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And yeah, Jordan, I'm excited about the playoffs. I love
college football, don't get me wrong, but the NFL. I
love the NFL. But yeah, it's exciting to see how
it all goes.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, and think about Jordan, I mean, what if
it was just the final four like it has been,
really and truly Besides Oregon, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know, they're they're only really undefeated team.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's you know, they they've played some tough opponents, but
other than that, it's like, man, it was twelve enough
this year. You know, it's just it's it's crazy how
it sounds.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Obregain the only undefeated team, and just looking at it
on paper, I think they got screwed in the bracket.
To be quite honest, I think they get screwed and
how the bracket falls in their favor. But you know,
it'll make for good television, it will make for good ratings,
and anxious to watch it all unfold.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It does make for good television, and it's exciting being
in an area where there's a team that's making big splashes.
I think Dancy should be the Heisman winner because his
team is in the playoffs, they got a first round
by and he's approaching the all time single season rushing records.
So that's my argument for that, but nobody really cares.
All right, We'll move on to another Heisman Trophy winner
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or a Heisman Trophy winner, not speculative. Our quarterback Bryce Young, Jake,
he's continuing to look pretty darn good man. And the
Philly game, it just took the breath out of me. Man,
the way that that thing ended. We had a drop
pass for a touchdown. Somebody bet three point one million
dollars on that game, and I know, and I was
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thinking about that the whole time, like, Holy this is
I mean, there's so many things that could be motivating
these guys.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It was a great game, Jake. We're continuing to move
in the right direction. But Doug gone, Man, we should
have won.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, Jordan, I think that's you feel that way two
weeks in a row. I think we said it last
week the Kansas City game was feel good, Okay, we're
moving in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Because you had saw a couple of weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
With the wins against the Giants in the Saints and
then the Tampa game, he felt like a gut.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Punch, the missfield goals and the missopportunities.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Uh, and then gosh, the Eagles, I mean, this good
football team, man, that's one of the leading teams at NFC.
And just the way we're playing defensively and then offensively
watching Tuber run gut punch during the game with Jonathan Brooks,
but then again on the three yard line backed up
and just Rice make it plays and guys make it plays,
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and just the confidence that he's playing with. And certainly
when he when he let the pass go, when he
stepped up and he let the pass go.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I just always feel I can.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You can just sense a quarterback's body language when he's throwing, like,
oh my gosh, I see something there. It is it's open.
And when he threw it, I said to myself, oh,
he's there's something, you know. And man, it was a
I still thought he caught it, you know, it wasn't
until the reps kind of huddled. I'm like, oh my gosh,
they're obviously a lot closer. Was it a bibble? And
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sure enough it hit the ground, and yeah, it's disheartening.
It's it's just hard. You know, team, you want to
get over the hump. I think that's the biggest thing.
It's time to get over the hump. And and what
better way. Listen, it would have been great to do
it in Philly against an unbelievable uh talented team, a
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quality football team.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So but we have another opportunity this week.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Against the Dallas team that had an unfortunate loss on
Monday night, had some injuries and there on a short
week and they got to come to Carolina.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I believe we're the favorite for the first time
in like two years. We are, so.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
The first time in two years, we're the favorite, Jake,
and I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Let's embrace it, right, let's embrace it. Let's let's get
better this week, and let's embrace it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And you know Dallas, Yeah, we understand how they travel,
but so what our Panther fans are gonna show up,
They're gonna be loud.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I don't see how we can't we I mean, I
can see how we don't win, Jake, But this is
like we've been playing the tough teams.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We've been getting back on our you know, our feet
back underneath us.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Steeln's playing awesome. Brice is looking really good man.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He's smiling, he's having fun.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
He's looking like the guy that we all, you know,
had seen flashes that we thought he could be. So
now you gotta be Dallas at home right around Christmas time.
I mean, there's no other way around it. All these
other games, yeah, we haven't been favored, We've been the underdogs.
So there's this little like, Yeah, you know, we're moving
I've said it a million times.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
We're moving in the right direction. But now you're favored,
you're back at home. It's Dallas.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Their quarterback is Cooper Rush. I believe for this game,
we gotta win this thing.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, Jordan, listen, I watched Dallas closely on Monday night
and was able to watch the Giants game from a
couple of weeks ago. Hey, listen, they had Dallas. Michael
Parsons is a problem. He's a problem, and for Dallas
he's a problem in a good way. For us, he's
a problem in a bad way. He got after us
pretty good when they came to Carolina, and we're gonna
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have to know where he's at. A lot of times
he lines up over the right tackle, but they'll move
him around. He's really playing well, and they had an
unfortunate injury a young linebacker, Overshawn who was playing outstanding
for them, number thirteen. He tore every ligament in his
knee on Monday night, and that was disheartening because he's
a guy that they drafted second and third round out
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of Texas, missed last year, was playing great and that's
a big loss to them. So hopefully he could come back,
and there's even speculation he'll miss next season, but that
was a big loss for them. So but they have
started to get some guys back fairly healthy on that
football team, Ceedee Lambs, problem, Cooper Rush. He doesn't try
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to do a whole lot. Mike McCarthy, I think is
a fabulous football coach. I love how the media tries
to spin it that he's such a terrible coach. It's
just it's insane. As I guess people they don't watch film.
That's a lazy narrative. With a team that's won twelve
games three years in a row, and they're doing a
good job of that football team and unfortunately they had
a blunder on special teams other night that probably cost
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them to win. So a team that It's gonna be
a tough task, but listen, we're playing well.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's more about us than anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Headline from last week's game that's super unfortunate is something
that the Panther fans have seen before. But Jonathan Brooks
towards ACL for the second time, I say that we've
seen that before. Obviously I'm leading to Thomas Davis who
did it three times, but.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Just brutal, Jake.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I mean, I've never had an ACL tear. I've had
some other injuries. I had another injury that was seed
an ending. And how much you have to dang fight
back to get back on the field, to barely sniff
the field and then know that you've got to reset
that whole process again, Jake, I mean, that's that's devastating.
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So Jonathan Brooks, I just man, everybody's wishing him well
and all that. Everybody said how tough that is. But Jake,
you can't overstate how hard this process is going to
be the second time.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Have not been in his shoes, so I can't, you know.
But the only thing I can think of is that
you know, there's somebody in Charlotte that's around the great
amount that you can lean on, and that's Thomas Davis.
He tore three acls two in the same leg, you know,
and then ended up playing one another eight nine.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Ten years after. I mean, but I can vividly remember Jordan.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I was in Cleveland and we're driving back from an Ota,
and I guess I had it on the NFL radio
and I heard that Thomas Davis or I might have
gotten a text, probably from Ryan Vermilion. And I called
Thomas because I just I didn't want to text any
answered and he said yeah, and I said, buddy, I
just don't know what to tell you, like, I'm so sorry,
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and he was like, I just don't understand why. I said,
I can't understand either, But I said, look, if anybody
can overcome a shoe and the sure enough he did.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So, uh. I know that's that's all just botter.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But you know there's something that John can lean towards,
and you just think about the precautions the team took.
He was on the public this and he came back
and he had the twenty one day window and we
did not activate him in Germany because the fields was
it was a soft field. Remember, they're gonna give it
another week and then another week is gonna buy. I mean,
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the team tried to do everything in his favor and
for whatever reason's Mondela setback. So you'll have every opportunity
to rehab and come back, and the team's gonna do
everything in their power to.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Make sure it's the best rehab possible.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And you know Kevin will do a great job of
that staff and try to get him back, you know,
because he I think he'll be a valuable member of
this this football team at some point.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
The day that Thomas Davis towards ACL the third time
I told him, he asked me what I thought. I said,
I don't think you should play anymore, but it's not
looking good. And I said it a little more sensitive
than that, Jake, but I was like, I'm third times
a charm.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I've said this on this show before, but a good
thing he didn't listen to me. So, I mean, the
history is there, it can be done. But man, just
tough man to not have got to play much at
all and have to deal with that again.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Incredibly incredibly difficult.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
So the Cowboys are coming here, Jake, what what do
you expect to see out of the game.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Are you calling the game?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yes, sir, Okay, you're coming back.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're going to be in the house. I mean, what's
it going to take?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And can Bryce keep doing his thing, keep playing well,
and then before you're done, I want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The implications for our draft.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
With Bryce doing a great job in this season, out
kind of where you think we sit.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So start with the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Listen, I think the biggest thing, Jordan and I think
it's every week you know we're I don't think we're
that team that can turn over the football, you know,
a couple of times and have a chance to win.
You hope for no turnovers, and that's something that we've
done a decent job of. And the one turnover came
back to Bid this last week. They were able to
get points right before the half, and so you know, listen,
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we can't turn the ball. You have to win first
down and that's by running the football or you know,
high completion passing game and be effective on third down. Man,
we got to be effective on third down, extend some drives,
especially for our defense, who I think they're really doing
a good job.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm anxious to see our injury report. I do know
j C.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Horn did not finish the game. That could be a
blow to us if he's not able to go. Hopefully
he is and then create a turnover on our end.
I mean, that's something that it's so valuable in the NFL.
If you can win the turnover battle plus one plus two,
the numbers just go up tremendously in favor of winning
whenever you do get a turnover or you're on the
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plus side at the turnover margin.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So but Man just continued growth, Jordan, I go back
to it. We're running the ball pretty during good SHOWBA.
I thought it looked really well running the football.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And I don't know how much you follow certain people
or Twitter or whatnot, but Brian Baldinger is a long
time NFL analyst, played in the league. I've been knowing
Ryan for gosh almost thirty years, and I respect his
work because he puts in the time in the work
and he's just a grunt in the film room. And
he did a little something on Twitter and he talked
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about the fistfight that was last week between Jalen.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Carter and Raw and Big Rob.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
For us man, it was unbelievable watching Robert Hunt and
Jalen Cord just go after it and and each one
would take turns getting the better of each other. But man,
it was that that was good to see. And just
watching our o line play once again, Kate Mays, I just, man,
he's playing really good football. And Ikey is gonna get
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a chance to go up against you know, last year,
we had a tough time last year facing Michael Parsons.
So I'm looking forward to some of our matchup where
Parsons is gonna line up over team, mote over Ikey,
move him around, they'll put him inside. So yeah, Jordan,
no turnovers for us a fish and play by Bryce
and third down, third down is huge and red zone
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Jordan touchdowns in the red zone, let's not let's not
kickfield goals?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
All right, that's all it's gonna take that well, I mean,
I know it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But I mean, like that's that's a recipe for.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Success, all right. There it is.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
The draft is months away, but we got I like
talking about it. We're three and ten, Jake, which currently
puts us at pick number four. Any have you thought
at all about any player? Are you looking at any
of that stuff or is that all nonsense?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Until it's offseason.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
To be quite honest, I think for me, I look
at it every week.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You know, you think about the King, I think about it,
think about the Kansas City game, like my gosh, who
could have won that game? But you know what, it
helps protect the draft status, you know, if you know,
if we're picked earlier than we wanted, we get somebody,
and then you fast forward the following week and you
feel like a gut punch only saving grace. I took
out of the Tampa game as well, we kept the
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draft pick. I guess you could say, you know whatnot.
And then this past last week, that's went through my
mind one more time. I'd be very honest, it's like
all right, you know, but like and I get it,
but like you just you want to win for the guy.
You want to win, for the locker room. You want
to win.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And and listen, you got to get the drift pick right.
I mean that's another thing. You got to get it right.
You can draft.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Wherever you want. We've seen many many busts. I mean,
you know, we've seen teams that have had runs. I
mean you look at San fran They traded up everything
and all that to get a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Trey Lance, who is stuck as the number three guy
in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, so you got to get the right guy.
But I guess that's the only saving grace is what
I think about sometimes.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Well, and there's a big Xale happening, I would have
to think that Ryce Young is playing as well as
he is after Andy Dalton got his reps, So got
to be feel a little bit more comfortable when we
do move into the off season.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Like Jordan, think about it. The way this kid's playing,
I mean, he's really shown, like just find the happiness, right.
You just see the anticipation, the magical thrones that you
saw at Alabama. It's like I'm seeing that. You know,
you saw small glimpses last year. But then man, it's like, Okay,
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the way we're going, I'm not so sure quarterbacks should
even be on the radar, to be quite honest, this
kid's playing good football.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
We got to continue to build this roster.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I think that's the most important You've got to build
a roster in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You definitely have to last thing.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I want to go, we're done, but before we go,
one of my players listens to our podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think weekly, maybe not. He asked me about it
all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Today we were getting ready, we were in weights, getting
ready to get starteds like you recording the podcast today.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I said, yeah, I am at nine twenty.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
He said, all right, I'll be checking out and I said,
you know what, I'm going to give you a little
shout out.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
On the radio.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So, Morgan pettit one of my stud lined safety and
wide receivers on the football team.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know, thank you for listening. Man. You know we
got fans Jake all over the nation.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just so you know, well, Morgan, I appreciate it. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
We hopefully you feel our passionate and excitement about Panther
football and uh and.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And Grizzly football.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
There's no doubt. And look, Jordan, I mean I think
that's one thing I think we can both agree upon it.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I know we may be going a little bit over,
but don't you think we're going in the right direction?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean, like really and truly, from the past few years,
it's been kind of like, oh my god, what are
we doing?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
You know now, don't you kind of sense like I
think so, I think we're going in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And that's the beauty of our job, Jake, is that
we don't have to be right. We could just say
whatever we think. So right now, I think we're going
in the right direction, just like you do. I hope
we're right, but we don't have to be right.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I hope we are.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
With you there, I don't hope I think we're right.
I'm sorry, I think we're right.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm bullishit that you can. You can mark that down.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I tell you this much.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It feels so good to think we got a chance
and that we are moving in the right direction, which
I agree with.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I'm just trying to be.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Funny that I don't care how far we drop in
the draft because I want us to win, to finish
this season out, man, like I want to win, get
some wins going the off season. Yeah, we're winning, man,
and then let's go. That's what I'm that's what that's
what I.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Want for Christmas, even though we're two weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Let's think about it. Panthers John fox O two start out.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Three to oh his first year, right, lost the next seven,
if I'm not mistaken, and finished out the year winning
four out of five.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So if you think about it, oh my gosh, they
won four out of five.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
The draft pick. Well, look what happened. We dropped just
fear enough to drive this tackle from Utah named Jordan
grow Right.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I know him.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Before games to go, though, Jake, We're already favored against
Dallas Arizona comes to town. I can see us favored
in that matchup, especially if we beat Dallas at Tampa Bay.
Be a tough game, but we played them closest heck,
just a couple of weeks ago, and then at Atlanta, Jake.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
We could go set why not?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
How would that be one of the best turnarounds in
athletic history, is what that would be? All Right, we
gotta go. I'll talk to you next week. Hey, I'm
going to Stowski and h.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
And Jackson Hole next week before our podcast, so I'll
tell you about it when we get back.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Great, I'm not it sounds good.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
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