January 8, 2025 • 24 mins
This week on Jordan & Jake, the guys share their thoughts on Bryce's no-look TD pass against the Falcons, recap the 2024 season, get excited about the future of the Panthers and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Jordan and Jake, I go good, I'm excited, ready
to go the bump stops.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who, George Grouse.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor members, Jordan Gross
and Jake Dilome.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Jake, it's the off season now for the Panthers. End
season still for a lot of teams. Definitely a different
vibe this week, But I'm feeling good after seeing what
I saw in Atlanta, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Jordan, I think we're all feeling that way. I think
that's the general sentiment around the Panthers. I think we
saw what we've been seeing the last six, seven and
eight weeks, whatever it may be. We have a young
quarterback that just sometimes you need time, and in this world,
we want success immediately. And we're a team that certainly
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we're finding ourselves. And listen, we can talk about the
team all we want, but the focal point is going
to be the quarterback, because that's what everybody's going to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And you couldn't have asked.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
For a better ending to the twenty fourth season than
what we saw. And now looking forward for the momentum
going towards next year, No It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I seeing Bryce Young out there as the season wound down,
and especially on Sunday, playing with confidence, completing passes, hitting
his receivers, and then it all culminated in the no
look past Jake, which that is not something that I
have ever seen Jake delone do.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No, that's wrong. I have thrown many no look passes.
I would close my eyes.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'm talking about the Steph curry that they're calling it
the curry where he threw it and then to the
touch for a touchdown before it was caught, he turned
around and did the touchdown. Signed.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You saw that, right, Yeah, I did see it, Jordan,
and I loved it. No, I never did it, but
I did throw. I did have no looks. I would
just kind of close my eyes and throw sometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
About that, Well, that was an awesome play. I have
no There's nothing Alignment could do in his job description
that is that cool. Like you can't you're not like,
you can't throw somebody down on a run block and
as they're falling, can't do like a pancake signal. I mean,
there's just nothing that cool. I'm extremely jealous.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I'm trying to think whenever Hunt had pulled to the
left and he just kind of gave, I can't remember
what game the forearms shiver and he just knocked two
people down.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Trying to think of Yeah that was but I think
it just it was the whole excitement of it. And
I just think the way this team played and the
way this team finished. You know, Jordan, I was very
lucky and my time in Carolina.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Of course we were teammates.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's we never went into like the final week of
the season with nothing to play for. It was always
a playoff spot on the line, or we knew we
were going to the playoffs. But this team was mathematically
eliminated so long ago. But yet the growth and progress
that was made, I just think that's a testament to
how the coaching staff, where the coaching staff has done,
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and what Canalys has done. And I'm very excited about
going into the offseason and the draft and what we've
done with some of these young players and looking forward
to the future.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I feel excited because there's not really a head coaching
controversy or a GM controversy from all signs. There's no
there's support from David Temper there's no signs of any
kind of shakeup, and it seems like coordinators. I mean,
I don't expect. I'm sure there'll be some change on
the staff. There always is, Jake a little bit. But
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it seems to me like what we see is what
we're going to get and they're actually going to be
able to grow and build on progress at the end
of this season. Am I right?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, Jordan, I think you're right, and I think
that was pretty evident, and I like, you know, right
after there's speculation you hear, you know, there's articles written
about our defense, and certainly we were historic and not
in a good way.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But there was some talk about okay, do we make.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
A change at coordinator and can Alice addressed it Monday immediately.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, No, I want EJ back. I like this scheme.
I know what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We need, we need to stay healthy, we need to
get some more pieces.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And there was no.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Beating around the bush. It's not like, you know what,
we're going to continue to evaluate. No, he came out
and he said it right away. So, yeah, when we
lose somebody, that's always the case usually. But I don't know,
I just I'm like, you Jordan, No, no head coaching search,
no general manager search. Like we can go now and
I heard dance press conference bits and pieces the other day.
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I can go now to the East West Sron game.
I can be at the senior ball. I'm not having
to worry about the interviewing. And then you can try
to set up for what the off season is going
to look like.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And not only that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I always say this, Jordan, and I think you'll probably
agree if you can get yourself a draft class to
hang your hat on, that usually propels franchises into the
playoffs and the runs that they can make, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Like, what better way than to have everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
In alignment, get all our work done and hopefully, you know,
things go our way when it comes time to the draft.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, I think that it's pretty outstanding the way we
finished the year, Jake. The low point of the season
when Bryce Young got sat down. We kept losing people
and speak to speak to the defense and do we
change the coordinator? I mean that would be crazy. There's
just so the defense had so many injuries, Jake. We
talked about all the time. We're looking at the dang
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roster to see who's even on the field. As the
season goes on, and the best news about this season
being over is that now Derek Brown should be the
starter when we get back into the regular season. He's
one of the best players in the NFL as a
defensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So, now the lows and highs of this season, Jake,
when there was the lowest low, and then when Bryce
people were questioning him and he got sat and then
come back and finish the way we did.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Tons of optimism and really to get to five wins
is I mean, nobody, We're not sitting here trying to
convince anybody that this was a season that we're all
happy about and this is the standard we're looking for.
But Jake, five to seven wins was probably reasonable expectations
for first year head coach and every all the transition
we'd been through. I mean, I think you even said
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that on air.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, Jordan, I just think you know last year and
I hate.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Going back to the twenty three season, right, but like
we had the first overall pick. Now we were supposed
to pick ninth, but we traded up and we traded
away a number one wide receiver and we got Bryce
and the injury book, think about the offensively I think
we started eight different guards last year and seven eight
different like right guards and seven.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Different left guards. It just the combination wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So we just it was so much to ask a
young kid, new staff, four different play callers for the
young kid last year, and you know, to watch him play.
You saw some flashes in twenty three and then the
first two games of the season, it just wasn't him
and the body language.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That I think the most evident later on in this
season won their anticipation in accuracy. There were flashes of
it last year, but I never saw the happiness and the.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Joy out the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
This year started off rough had to sit down and
then all of a sudden this meteoric I guess, rise
back to what everyone thought that he was in college
and why he was the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But to me, it was the body language and how happy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I go back Luke and I watching them coming out
to out the tunnel.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
He's the first one leading the team now.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Just the smiles on his face and everything, just the
dancing and things like that. It's a confident person and
that resonates with the offense, and it resonated with the team,
just to watch the team celebrate the other day against
the division opponent. Watching Robert Hunt, who was inactive due
to a little injury, but he's one of the first
ones getting into the end zone to celebrate with Miles
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Sanders and the rest of his offensive lineman and Chandler.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Zavala who had to take his spot. I mean, those
are the things that we hit. We hit on some guys.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, You're watching Ashean Robinson getting what six and a
half or seven and a half saxophon interior defensive lineman.
I'm watching Daveon Clowney, who you know, battled some you know,
some nicks and bruises along the way, continue to play.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And I laughed. I told Luke, for two.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Minutes left to go in the game, here's Clowney coming
from the sidelines and he's dancing and he's fired up.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He's ready to close the game. I just I don't know,
I just there's good vibes. I just keep I know,
I keep saying it.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But I've been doing the radio since twenty nineteen, and
I'm I haven't felt this good going into an offseason
as I have now.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
By the direction of the team.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, there's That's some good news for me right there, Jake,
because you generally are pretty spot on. I don't want
to give you an ego boost or anything, but your
analyzing skills as an analyst are pretty analytical.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So man's I know that's a lot of word.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We're gonna I'm gonna head, I'm gonna head the off
season feeling good. I want let's talk about one guy
in particular. I'm gonna give a lee to this person.
He probably won't listen because he's now in offseason mode.
Adam Thielen. Jake. I love watching him. I've had the
opportunity to have breakfast with him, and I've met him
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a time or two, and I'm impressed with him in
his career. He's got to come back, man like. He
just suffered through some tough seasons going from Minnesota to
Carolina and head coaching changes and injuries, and he's playing
with such fireman in the season, just somebody that Bryce
Young can count on, and he's helping our other young receivers.
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He's I know he's gonna be thirty five, but Jake,
I feel like he's a key piece to bring back
for next season.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What do you think, yeah, Joe, and I hope.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So I did listen to his on Monday, and he
talked about the retirement and he and he was honest,
and I think that maybe that's what I liked the
most about him. He was very honest and he said, yeah,
that's that's crossing my mind. But the reality of it.
And I always thought John Fox was the best at it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Hey, get away, don't make a decision. Why you emotional?
He said, you got to get away from it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Let get away, get around the family, don't be around
each other. Let the body heel up. I truly hope
and wish that he's a part of this turnaround and
going forward watching him play the professionalism, but just the
big moments, Jordan, I think that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
We hadn't had that many big moments.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But when we've had had these big moments and it's
been the fourth down or the gotta have it third downs,
who's the guy that seems like he's always open and
making the play and he's just got that he's got that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Dog hitting what Dan talked about.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So you know, I don't know if Adam's going to
listen to the world renowned Jordan and Jake podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
But if he does, just know all that, two guys,
who you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Going to be fifty here shortly, and I know you're
what forty forty something whatever you are, forty four, forty.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Three, forty five, forty five, that's wrong, forty four, forty four,
forty four.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I I just know that it feels like yesterday I
stopped playing. And I understand when you get a little older,
it's a little more difficult, but gosh, it does it.
You don't see it from him, And I just truly think,
you know, if we could squeeze out another year with him,
just the legacy that he could leave on this football team. Yeah,
I hope he listens and you know, kind of takes
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our advice.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, I was able to retire after you know, we
didn't win the Super Bowl, but we did win the
division and we were the number two. See, we had
a first round by lost to the Niners at home
in a frustrating game, but I won with a bunch
of wins. Man we went twelve and four that year,
or I went out with a bunch of wins, went
twelve and four, and I just I got so much
respect for feeling that I he's put in the brutal
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work the last couple of seasons as a panther, that
it would just be great to have him, and you know,
coach Kanalis and Dan are going to be good on
his body and his training camp reps and all of
that kind of stuff. But another receiver whose name popped up,
Robert Hunt was recruiting Tyreek Hill, Jake. So Tyreek Hill
has said that he's out in Miami and he has
to be released, and there's a lot of things going
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on with that, Jake. But that was an interesting As
much as we love Robert Hunt, man, I think if
he has an opinion on somebody like that, I'm going
to listen to it. Is that a possibility at all?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know that's gonna be for the front office Jordan. Certainly,
this guy is a dynamic. He's one of the top
receivers in the league. And certainly I think when I
did hear his interview about he's going to be out,
and that's pure frustration talking end of the season and
you know, not finishing, not making the playoffs, and he
was used to going to Super Bowls in Kansas City
and it's been difficult in Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So that's a frustration type of deal. So you know,
we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What happens, how it all shakes out, and usually those
things kind of resolve themselves with emotion and stuff like that.
But you know, I think Robert Hunt knows what kind
of player he is. But I'm not opposed to bringing
in any good player that can make us better.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
All right, Well, we'll see. It's an exciting time for sure,
And you know we're not in our cap situation is not,
you know, worse than the league. And Dan is smart
with all the personnel he is. So we'll see, Jake,
what I do, even though we're not a part of it.
In the playoffs are here and at college football playoffs
are continuing to happen. Just a general comment here, Jake,
what a cool time of year for football. Like any
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game you watch now college there's only a few left,
but college or pro, any game you left you watch
is a must win game. All the starters are playing,
the weather's getting bad. I just there's nothing better than
this time of year.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I love it, George, just think about it.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Just everything is it's win or go home, right, I mean,
And that's just there's there's nothing better, and I love you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Just go back and I'm one.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'll go back to Okay, Wildcord Weekend. Yep, these were
our Wildcord wins. How awesome were they? And things like that,
so you just kind of go with it. But no, Jordan,
it's a it's great. The college football it's very different.
It's very different, and now we get to watch starting.
I believe what Thursday Night right is one the game
Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
We got Thursday Friday College. You got Saturday, Sunday, Monday,
NFL culminating with Minnesota Los Angeles Monday Night Football. Just
good stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's like we plaid our dues. We made it through
the regular season. Now we get a reward man twenty
twenty five playoffs.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, it's there's nothing greater. Man, It's so awesome. Man,
I'm looking forward to watching.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I listen. I love college, don't get.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Me wrong, but man, the NFL to me is that's
my cup of tea, and that's just there's nothing greater
than the NFL playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
My Wildcard memory immediately goes to beating the Giants at
their place in a game that I was still young
enough where I didn't have a ton of experience to
draw from, but I didn't know if we were going
to win that game. Jake, that was an awesome memory
for me.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Wildcard weekend that that was very nice, Jordan. I can't
agree with you on that one, to be quite honest.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Mine is definitely the Dallas Cowboy victory at home. We
lost to them a month prior, and we just we
all knew we're better than this team. We didn't play
well that day. We were playing well, we were going
to beat them, and it was just that was the
one Bank of American Stadium was rocking, and we got
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after him pretty good the Giants. Don't get me wrong,
that was great to go into the Giant stadium and
the white towels they were waving and it might have
been kickoff was the only time they ever weigh those
white towels because we just we shut them up immediately
and we just destroyed them.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think I remember that game more so because I
had to go against a very dominant Michael Strahan if
you know who that is, and I was kine nervous
for the matchup, and early on I'll never forget this.
I was playing right tackle. Next to me was right
guard Tuton Rey is, I'm going against Michael Strahan. I'm
I past said, I'm blocking him. It's going fine. I'm
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nervous as heck because he was the one guy.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Jake, that gave me like a idol, like I he
made me nervous just because I thought he was so awesome,
like he was enough older than me and is so established.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's like I'm going against an iconic NFL guy here, right,
and he was good Anyways, first or second pass play
the game, I'm blocking him. Twoton's free, He's not covered
by a d tackle, so he posts for Jeff Mitchell
at center a little bit and then he just comes
and blows up Michael Strahan knocks him all the way
a ground that might have been the most happy moment
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in my whole NFL career. Was just yes, yes, this
is gonna be a good day. And then we beat him.
So anything can happen on these wild card games. Definitely, Jake.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, And you know what, I think, I think a
lot of your Michael Strahan certainly a Hall of Famer
and everything, but the respect that John Fox had for
Michael Strahan and the Giants organization, I think Foxy built
it up even more so whenever we would play them,
because that was his guy.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Straight Hand was his guy. So there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All week long, Foxy would give you those subtle jabs
during practice. Hey, you know, straight Hand's going to be coming.
I have a feeling that was a part of your nervousness.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, anyways, we got the job done and nothing terrible happens,
So I'm going to lock that one in as my
best wildcard memory. Jake, I want to talk about something
else that I'm experiencing right now as a high school coach.
This January, so it's the window in high school coach
or college coaches can come on campus and visit players.
And as you know, I've got tackle on our team,
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a junior that's getting recruited by everybody I've had this week.
Tennessee and Wisconsin and Utah, Michigan and Michigan State, University
of Washington all all coming to see him, these four
college coaches. Jake, here's what I'm getting at being a
college football coach right now, with transfer and job security
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and nil and recruiting. It's horrible. These guys are they
got like three days, They're all over the country. They're
coming to dang high schools, and do I need to
check in at the office to come see you? And
what time's lunchtime? And when can this kid see me?
It's brutal, Jake. I just have you ever thought about
I know you have a coach, have you ever thought
about getting into college? And if so, I'm warning you.
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These guys are They are working their butts off.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Man Jordan, I called a college coach about a year
almost a year ago, and it was New Year's Eve.
He was on his property in a state, hunting and
I was calling for a kid. A kid asked me
to find out something, and I said.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
How are you liking it? He had been in the NFL.
He said, this is the most miserable I've ever been.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
He said, not only I don't have any vacation time,
he said, all I'm doing is re recruiting my own
players to stay because other teams are trying to poach
them with money.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
He said, It's the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So, Jordan, I can only imagine what these coaches are
going through. It's just a college is it is what
it is. It's not amateur athletics anymore. It is a
professional athletic. We can't call them student athletes because they're
getting paid this in orbit amount of money that they're
not student athletes.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean they're professional athletes.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, look how along their season is too, Like these
teams that are still in the playoffs, like the National
Championship isn't until I think it's the twentieth Jake January twentieth,
and they started before their first games are before the NFL,
like they have college games in August. It's a crazy
long schedule and I wonder where it's headed because we're
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in a little bit of a transition time, not a
little bit, a lot of bit of a transition time
with ni own transfer, but like the NFL has to
have like some level of oversight into the college to
figure out how to make it continue to work and
develop players because there's no other pipeline to choose from,
you know, baseball and NBA. They got international guys and
there's a little bit of that in the NFL. But
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we got to make sure that this college programs continue
to develop guys and keep quality coaches in it. Because
which made me we never talked about this. I was
shocked to see Belichick go to college. Because, as you
just illustrated with your story about your buddy, you called,
this is the hardest time to be a college coach
that's ever existed. Belichick jumped in and it's so funny.
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I see him on social media going and visiting high
schools to recruit kids. He's in a full soon. It
just looks so odd. Jake, did it surprise you that
he took that job at you and.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
C Yeah, it did surprise me. And I'm assuming it's
just his.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Love of coaching, because I think he would have ultimately
liked to get back in the NFL, but you would
assume that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I guess people he wasn't getting any feelers. I guess
you could say.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And this is one that it's almost like the NFL.
Now he does have a general manager and Michael Lombardi
who will kind of run everything. I'm assuming Bill, but
I think I think the one thing you might have
heard about college, I've heard Bill say, I think you
get a lot of hours on the field, a lot
of field teaching time. And that's something that I think
you're going to see with some of his teams. And
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just think about it, Jordan, he can get some of
these big kids, because we all know big wins, right
most of the time big wins. But you get some
of these d lineman and old lineman and he say, hey,
you're a first round talent, but you're not playing like it.
You can come play for me. I can teach you
the three four, teach you how to two gap, teach
you the rules, teach you how to use your arms,
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your leverage, and things like that. And you're going to
get kids like that because ultimately they want to provide
for their family and the NFL is a way out.
So I'm anxious to see how it all plays out.
But it certainly is. Uh, it's definitely going to be different.
Seeing Bill Belichick on the college sideline.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, I hope he wars the hoodie to cut off.
Last thing I got for a jake. As I was
watching the exit interviews and everything on.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Panthers dot com excuse me dot com, Austin Corbett was
getting interviewed and behind him was a big picture of
myself running out of the tunnel that's up on display
in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'm honored and flattered to have that in there. However,
there's a nerf hoop taped on my face. Jake, did
you see this? I'm sure they riled you up like
it did me.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, I have seen it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But I mean, Jordan, listen, it's taped on your face
because you think about your head.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
How big that's the backboard? You know what I mean? So,
I mean, what would they do that?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Would they do that? I don't think that needs to
be like a shrine to me, I was just one
of many in there. But would they do that if
it was a sweet Steve Smith or a Cam new
you know, Luke Keithley. I mean, this is just typical
of being an offensive lineman. Hey, we need a backboard.
Let's go with gross. So I mean, it's gonna get taken.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Down now, Okay, I'm going to go in another direction.
So I coach girls basketball for seven years in a row,
and my daughters were growing up. I first thing you
try to teach them is, hey, the backboard. There's a
white square there on the backboard.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I always told them it's going to be there till
the day you die. It will never leave, and you
know what, it'll never talk back. It will always be
your best friend. You've got to use it right. Think
about it Jordan, that's what you are. Everybody's best friend.
So they just used everybody's best friend. And you're always
gonna be there. You're always gonna be there. Now, you
gotta think of it in that role.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You know what. I appreciate you saying that, Jake. It's
making me feel a little better. That's what you're here for, man,
That's why they pay you the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's right, buddy, that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
All right. Well I'm gonna go I'm gonna leave you
on that and even feel good about myself. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well you should.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You should feel good about yourself, and you know what,
feel good about the twenty four Panthers because I believe
we're gonna look back in two to three to four
and five years and we're gonna say, hey, this was
the start of a run that we're gonna go on.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I truly, truly believe
Speaker 3 (24:01):
That the Jordan and Jake Podcast just a couple of
best friends talking football.
Wow, Jordan and Jake, I go good, I'm excited, ready
to go the bump stops.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who, George Grouse.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor members, Jordan Gross
and Jake Dilome.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Jake, it's the off season now for the Panthers. End
season still for a lot of teams. Definitely a different
vibe this week, But I'm feeling good after seeing what
I saw in Atlanta, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Jordan, I think we're all feeling that way. I think
that's the general sentiment around the Panthers. I think we
saw what we've been seeing the last six, seven and
eight weeks, whatever it may be. We have a young
quarterback that just sometimes you need time, and in this world,
we want success immediately. And we're a team that certainly
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we're finding ourselves. And listen, we can talk about the
team all we want, but the focal point is going
to be the quarterback, because that's what everybody's going to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And you couldn't have asked.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
For a better ending to the twenty fourth season than
what we saw. And now looking forward for the momentum
going towards next year, No It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I seeing Bryce Young out there as the season wound down,
and especially on Sunday, playing with confidence, completing passes, hitting
his receivers, and then it all culminated in the no
look past Jake, which that is not something that I
have ever seen Jake delone do.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No, that's wrong. I have thrown many no look passes.
I would close my eyes.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'm talking about the Steph curry that they're calling it
the curry where he threw it and then to the
touch for a touchdown before it was caught, he turned
around and did the touchdown. Signed.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You saw that, right, Yeah, I did see it, Jordan,
and I loved it. No, I never did it, but
I did throw. I did have no looks. I would
just kind of close my eyes and throw sometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
About that, Well, that was an awesome play. I have
no There's nothing Alignment could do in his job description
that is that cool. Like you can't you're not like,
you can't throw somebody down on a run block and
as they're falling, can't do like a pancake signal. I mean,
there's just nothing that cool. I'm extremely jealous.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I'm trying to think whenever Hunt had pulled to the
left and he just kind of gave, I can't remember
what game the forearms shiver and he just knocked two
people down.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Trying to think of Yeah that was but I think
it just it was the whole excitement of it. And
I just think the way this team played and the
way this team finished. You know, Jordan, I was very
lucky and my time in Carolina.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Of course we were teammates.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's we never went into like the final week of
the season with nothing to play for. It was always
a playoff spot on the line, or we knew we
were going to the playoffs. But this team was mathematically
eliminated so long ago. But yet the growth and progress
that was made, I just think that's a testament to
how the coaching staff, where the coaching staff has done,
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and what Canalys has done. And I'm very excited about
going into the offseason and the draft and what we've
done with some of these young players and looking forward
to the future.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I feel excited because there's not really a head coaching
controversy or a GM controversy from all signs. There's no
there's support from David Temper there's no signs of any
kind of shakeup, and it seems like coordinators. I mean,
I don't expect. I'm sure there'll be some change on
the staff. There always is, Jake a little bit. But
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it seems to me like what we see is what
we're going to get and they're actually going to be
able to grow and build on progress at the end
of this season. Am I right?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, Jordan, I think you're right, and I think
that was pretty evident, and I like, you know, right
after there's speculation you hear, you know, there's articles written
about our defense, and certainly we were historic and not
in a good way.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But there was some talk about okay, do we make.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
A change at coordinator and can Alice addressed it Monday immediately.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, No, I want EJ back. I like this scheme.
I know what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We need, we need to stay healthy, we need to
get some more pieces.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And there was no.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Beating around the bush. It's not like, you know what,
we're going to continue to evaluate. No, he came out
and he said it right away. So, yeah, when we
lose somebody, that's always the case usually. But I don't know,
I just I'm like, you Jordan, No, no head coaching search,
no general manager search. Like we can go now and
I heard dance press conference bits and pieces the other day.
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I can go now to the East West Sron game.
I can be at the senior ball. I'm not having
to worry about the interviewing. And then you can try
to set up for what the off season is going
to look like.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And not only that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I always say this, Jordan, and I think you'll probably
agree if you can get yourself a draft class to
hang your hat on, that usually propels franchises into the
playoffs and the runs that they can make, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Like, what better way than to have everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
In alignment, get all our work done and hopefully, you know,
things go our way when it comes time to the draft.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, I think that it's pretty outstanding the way we
finished the year, Jake. The low point of the season
when Bryce Young got sat down. We kept losing people
and speak to speak to the defense and do we
change the coordinator? I mean that would be crazy. There's
just so the defense had so many injuries, Jake. We
talked about all the time. We're looking at the dang
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roster to see who's even on the field. As the
season goes on, and the best news about this season
being over is that now Derek Brown should be the
starter when we get back into the regular season. He's
one of the best players in the NFL as a
defensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So, now the lows and highs of this season, Jake,
when there was the lowest low, and then when Bryce
people were questioning him and he got sat and then
come back and finish the way we did.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Tons of optimism and really to get to five wins
is I mean, nobody, We're not sitting here trying to
convince anybody that this was a season that we're all
happy about and this is the standard we're looking for.
But Jake, five to seven wins was probably reasonable expectations
for first year head coach and every all the transition
we'd been through. I mean, I think you even said
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that on air.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, Jordan, I just think you know last year and
I hate.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Going back to the twenty three season, right, but like
we had the first overall pick. Now we were supposed
to pick ninth, but we traded up and we traded
away a number one wide receiver and we got Bryce
and the injury book, think about the offensively I think
we started eight different guards last year and seven eight
different like right guards and seven.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Different left guards. It just the combination wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So we just it was so much to ask a
young kid, new staff, four different play callers for the
young kid last year, and you know, to watch him play.
You saw some flashes in twenty three and then the
first two games of the season, it just wasn't him
and the body language.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That I think the most evident later on in this
season won their anticipation in accuracy. There were flashes of
it last year, but I never saw the happiness and the.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Joy out the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
This year started off rough had to sit down and
then all of a sudden this meteoric I guess, rise
back to what everyone thought that he was in college
and why he was the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But to me, it was the body language and how happy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I go back Luke and I watching them coming out
to out the tunnel.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
He's the first one leading the team now.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Just the smiles on his face and everything, just the
dancing and things like that. It's a confident person and
that resonates with the offense, and it resonated with the team,
just to watch the team celebrate the other day against
the division opponent. Watching Robert Hunt, who was inactive due
to a little injury, but he's one of the first
ones getting into the end zone to celebrate with Miles
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Sanders and the rest of his offensive lineman and Chandler.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Zavala who had to take his spot. I mean, those
are the things that we hit. We hit on some guys.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, You're watching Ashean Robinson getting what six and a
half or seven and a half saxophon interior defensive lineman.
I'm watching Daveon Clowney, who you know, battled some you know,
some nicks and bruises along the way, continue to play.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And I laughed. I told Luke, for two.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Minutes left to go in the game, here's Clowney coming
from the sidelines and he's dancing and he's fired up.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He's ready to close the game. I just I don't know,
I just there's good vibes. I just keep I know,
I keep saying it.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But I've been doing the radio since twenty nineteen, and
I'm I haven't felt this good going into an offseason
as I have now.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
By the direction of the team.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, there's That's some good news for me right there, Jake,
because you generally are pretty spot on. I don't want
to give you an ego boost or anything, but your
analyzing skills as an analyst are pretty analytical.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So man's I know that's a lot of word.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We're gonna I'm gonna head, I'm gonna head the off
season feeling good. I want let's talk about one guy
in particular. I'm gonna give a lee to this person.
He probably won't listen because he's now in offseason mode.
Adam Thielen. Jake. I love watching him. I've had the
opportunity to have breakfast with him, and I've met him
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a time or two, and I'm impressed with him in
his career. He's got to come back, man like. He
just suffered through some tough seasons going from Minnesota to
Carolina and head coaching changes and injuries, and he's playing
with such fireman in the season, just somebody that Bryce
Young can count on, and he's helping our other young receivers.
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He's I know he's gonna be thirty five, but Jake,
I feel like he's a key piece to bring back
for next season.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What do you think, yeah, Joe, and I hope.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So I did listen to his on Monday, and he
talked about the retirement and he and he was honest,
and I think that maybe that's what I liked the
most about him. He was very honest and he said, yeah,
that's that's crossing my mind. But the reality of it.
And I always thought John Fox was the best at it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Hey, get away, don't make a decision. Why you emotional?
He said, you got to get away from it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Let get away, get around the family, don't be around
each other. Let the body heel up. I truly hope
and wish that he's a part of this turnaround and
going forward watching him play the professionalism, but just the
big moments, Jordan, I think that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
We hadn't had that many big moments.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But when we've had had these big moments and it's
been the fourth down or the gotta have it third downs,
who's the guy that seems like he's always open and
making the play and he's just got that he's got that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Dog hitting what Dan talked about.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So you know, I don't know if Adam's going to
listen to the world renowned Jordan and Jake podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
But if he does, just know all that, two guys,
who you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Going to be fifty here shortly, and I know you're
what forty forty something whatever you are, forty four, forty.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Three, forty five, forty five, that's wrong, forty four, forty four,
forty four.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I I just know that it feels like yesterday I
stopped playing. And I understand when you get a little older,
it's a little more difficult, but gosh, it does it.
You don't see it from him, And I just truly think,
you know, if we could squeeze out another year with him,
just the legacy that he could leave on this football team. Yeah,
I hope he listens and you know, kind of takes
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our advice.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, I was able to retire after you know, we
didn't win the Super Bowl, but we did win the
division and we were the number two. See, we had
a first round by lost to the Niners at home
in a frustrating game, but I won with a bunch
of wins. Man we went twelve and four that year,
or I went out with a bunch of wins, went
twelve and four, and I just I got so much
respect for feeling that I he's put in the brutal
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work the last couple of seasons as a panther, that
it would just be great to have him, and you know,
coach Kanalis and Dan are going to be good on
his body and his training camp reps and all of
that kind of stuff. But another receiver whose name popped up,
Robert Hunt was recruiting Tyreek Hill, Jake. So Tyreek Hill
has said that he's out in Miami and he has
to be released, and there's a lot of things going
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on with that, Jake. But that was an interesting As
much as we love Robert Hunt, man, I think if
he has an opinion on somebody like that, I'm going
to listen to it. Is that a possibility at all?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know that's gonna be for the front office Jordan. Certainly,
this guy is a dynamic. He's one of the top
receivers in the league. And certainly I think when I
did hear his interview about he's going to be out,
and that's pure frustration talking end of the season and
you know, not finishing, not making the playoffs, and he
was used to going to Super Bowls in Kansas City
and it's been difficult in Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So that's a frustration type of deal. So you know,
we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What happens, how it all shakes out, and usually those
things kind of resolve themselves with emotion and stuff like that.
But you know, I think Robert Hunt knows what kind
of player he is. But I'm not opposed to bringing
in any good player that can make us better.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
All right, Well, we'll see. It's an exciting time for sure,
And you know we're not in our cap situation is not,
you know, worse than the league. And Dan is smart
with all the personnel he is. So we'll see, Jake,
what I do, even though we're not a part of it.
In the playoffs are here and at college football playoffs
are continuing to happen. Just a general comment here, Jake,
what a cool time of year for football. Like any
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game you watch now college there's only a few left,
but college or pro, any game you left you watch
is a must win game. All the starters are playing,
the weather's getting bad. I just there's nothing better than
this time of year.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I love it, George, just think about it.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Just everything is it's win or go home, right, I mean,
And that's just there's there's nothing better, and I love you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Just go back and I'm one.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'll go back to Okay, Wildcord Weekend. Yep, these were
our Wildcord wins. How awesome were they? And things like that,
so you just kind of go with it. But no, Jordan,
it's a it's great. The college football it's very different.
It's very different, and now we get to watch starting.
I believe what Thursday Night right is one the game
Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
We got Thursday Friday College. You got Saturday, Sunday, Monday,
NFL culminating with Minnesota Los Angeles Monday Night Football. Just
good stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's like we plaid our dues. We made it through
the regular season. Now we get a reward man twenty
twenty five playoffs.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, it's there's nothing greater. Man, It's so awesome. Man,
I'm looking forward to watching.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I listen. I love college, don't get.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Me wrong, but man, the NFL to me is that's
my cup of tea, and that's just there's nothing greater
than the NFL playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
My Wildcard memory immediately goes to beating the Giants at
their place in a game that I was still young
enough where I didn't have a ton of experience to
draw from, but I didn't know if we were going
to win that game. Jake, that was an awesome memory
for me.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Wildcard weekend that that was very nice, Jordan. I can't
agree with you on that one, to be quite honest.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Mine is definitely the Dallas Cowboy victory at home. We
lost to them a month prior, and we just we
all knew we're better than this team. We didn't play
well that day. We were playing well, we were going
to beat them, and it was just that was the
one Bank of American Stadium was rocking, and we got
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after him pretty good the Giants. Don't get me wrong,
that was great to go into the Giant stadium and
the white towels they were waving and it might have
been kickoff was the only time they ever weigh those
white towels because we just we shut them up immediately
and we just destroyed them.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think I remember that game more so because I
had to go against a very dominant Michael Strahan if
you know who that is, and I was kine nervous
for the matchup, and early on I'll never forget this.
I was playing right tackle. Next to me was right
guard Tuton Rey is, I'm going against Michael Strahan. I'm
I past said, I'm blocking him. It's going fine. I'm
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nervous as heck because he was the one guy.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Jake, that gave me like a idol, like I he
made me nervous just because I thought he was so awesome,
like he was enough older than me and is so established.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's like I'm going against an iconic NFL guy here, right,
and he was good Anyways, first or second pass play
the game, I'm blocking him. Twoton's free, He's not covered
by a d tackle, so he posts for Jeff Mitchell
at center a little bit and then he just comes
and blows up Michael Strahan knocks him all the way
a ground that might have been the most happy moment
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in my whole NFL career. Was just yes, yes, this
is gonna be a good day. And then we beat him.
So anything can happen on these wild card games. Definitely, Jake.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, And you know what, I think, I think a
lot of your Michael Strahan certainly a Hall of Famer
and everything, but the respect that John Fox had for
Michael Strahan and the Giants organization, I think Foxy built
it up even more so whenever we would play them,
because that was his guy.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Straight Hand was his guy. So there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All week long, Foxy would give you those subtle jabs
during practice. Hey, you know, straight Hand's going to be coming.
I have a feeling that was a part of your nervousness.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, anyways, we got the job done and nothing terrible happens,
So I'm going to lock that one in as my
best wildcard memory. Jake, I want to talk about something
else that I'm experiencing right now as a high school coach.
This January, so it's the window in high school coach
or college coaches can come on campus and visit players.
And as you know, I've got tackle on our team,
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a junior that's getting recruited by everybody I've had this week.
Tennessee and Wisconsin and Utah, Michigan and Michigan State, University
of Washington all all coming to see him, these four
college coaches. Jake, here's what I'm getting at being a
college football coach right now, with transfer and job security
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and nil and recruiting. It's horrible. These guys are they
got like three days, They're all over the country. They're
coming to dang high schools, and do I need to
check in at the office to come see you? And
what time's lunchtime? And when can this kid see me?
It's brutal, Jake. I just have you ever thought about
I know you have a coach, have you ever thought
about getting into college? And if so, I'm warning you.
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These guys are They are working their butts off.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Man Jordan, I called a college coach about a year
almost a year ago, and it was New Year's Eve.
He was on his property in a state, hunting and
I was calling for a kid. A kid asked me
to find out something, and I said.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
How are you liking it? He had been in the NFL.
He said, this is the most miserable I've ever been.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
He said, not only I don't have any vacation time,
he said, all I'm doing is re recruiting my own
players to stay because other teams are trying to poach
them with money.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
He said, It's the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So, Jordan, I can only imagine what these coaches are
going through. It's just a college is it is what
it is. It's not amateur athletics anymore. It is a
professional athletic. We can't call them student athletes because they're
getting paid this in orbit amount of money that they're
not student athletes.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean they're professional athletes.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, look how along their season is too, Like these
teams that are still in the playoffs, like the National
Championship isn't until I think it's the twentieth Jake January twentieth,
and they started before their first games are before the NFL,
like they have college games in August. It's a crazy
long schedule and I wonder where it's headed because we're
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in a little bit of a transition time, not a
little bit, a lot of bit of a transition time
with ni own transfer, but like the NFL has to
have like some level of oversight into the college to
figure out how to make it continue to work and
develop players because there's no other pipeline to choose from,
you know, baseball and NBA. They got international guys and
there's a little bit of that in the NFL. But
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we got to make sure that this college programs continue
to develop guys and keep quality coaches in it. Because
which made me we never talked about this. I was
shocked to see Belichick go to college. Because, as you
just illustrated with your story about your buddy, you called,
this is the hardest time to be a college coach
that's ever existed. Belichick jumped in and it's so funny.
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I see him on social media going and visiting high
schools to recruit kids. He's in a full soon. It
just looks so odd. Jake, did it surprise you that
he took that job at you and.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
C Yeah, it did surprise me. And I'm assuming it's
just his.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Love of coaching, because I think he would have ultimately
liked to get back in the NFL, but you would
assume that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I guess people he wasn't getting any feelers. I guess
you could say.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And this is one that it's almost like the NFL.
Now he does have a general manager and Michael Lombardi
who will kind of run everything. I'm assuming Bill, but
I think I think the one thing you might have
heard about college, I've heard Bill say, I think you
get a lot of hours on the field, a lot
of field teaching time. And that's something that I think
you're going to see with some of his teams. And
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just think about it, Jordan, he can get some of
these big kids, because we all know big wins, right
most of the time big wins. But you get some
of these d lineman and old lineman and he say, hey,
you're a first round talent, but you're not playing like it.
You can come play for me. I can teach you
the three four, teach you how to two gap, teach
you the rules, teach you how to use your arms,
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your leverage, and things like that. And you're going to
get kids like that because ultimately they want to provide
for their family and the NFL is a way out.
So I'm anxious to see how it all plays out.
But it certainly is. Uh, it's definitely going to be different.
Seeing Bill Belichick on the college sideline.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, I hope he wars the hoodie to cut off.
Last thing I got for a jake. As I was
watching the exit interviews and everything on.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Panthers dot com excuse me dot com, Austin Corbett was
getting interviewed and behind him was a big picture of
myself running out of the tunnel that's up on display
in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'm honored and flattered to have that in there. However,
there's a nerf hoop taped on my face. Jake, did
you see this? I'm sure they riled you up like
it did me.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, I have seen it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But I mean, Jordan, listen, it's taped on your face
because you think about your head.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
How big that's the backboard? You know what I mean? So,
I mean, what would they do that?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Would they do that? I don't think that needs to
be like a shrine to me, I was just one
of many in there. But would they do that if
it was a sweet Steve Smith or a Cam new
you know, Luke Keithley. I mean, this is just typical
of being an offensive lineman. Hey, we need a backboard.
Let's go with gross. So I mean, it's gonna get taken.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Down now, Okay, I'm going to go in another direction.
So I coach girls basketball for seven years in a row,
and my daughters were growing up. I first thing you
try to teach them is, hey, the backboard. There's a
white square there on the backboard.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I always told them it's going to be there till
the day you die. It will never leave, and you
know what, it'll never talk back. It will always be
your best friend. You've got to use it right. Think
about it Jordan, that's what you are. Everybody's best friend.
So they just used everybody's best friend. And you're always
gonna be there. You're always gonna be there. Now, you
gotta think of it in that role.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You know what. I appreciate you saying that, Jake. It's
making me feel a little better. That's what you're here for, man,
That's why they pay you the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's right, buddy, that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
All right. Well I'm gonna go I'm gonna leave you
on that and even feel good about myself. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well you should.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You should feel good about yourself, and you know what,
feel good about the twenty four Panthers because I believe
we're gonna look back in two to three to four
and five years and we're gonna say, hey, this was
the start of a run that we're gonna go on.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I truly, truly believe
Speaker 3 (24:01):
That the Jordan and Jake Podcast just a couple of
best friends talking football.
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